Romania threatens Croatia in Schengen dispute

I'm dying to read Mircea, EU Citizen's post ..... yoohoo Mircea!
(lowe, 4 January 2011 13:23)

Croatia will join EU well before Zanzibar.

I'm dying to read Mircea, EU Citizen's post ..... yoohoo Mircea!

Romania is not ready for Schengen. We all know that. But what does that have to do with Croatia's entry?
(Ron, 4 January 2011 14:35)

Maybe the Romanians are trying to say something like: Why is Croatia "rewarded" and overlooked regarding her Nazi activities? What about their corruption and and their criminals? Why the double standards and favoritism by Germany? Double standards and favoritism will disrupt the harmony of the EU. People loose respect and faith in the system--and the cancer starts to spread.
Did anyone know that the most screwed-up families are those that practice favoritism and double standards with their children?

Shine the light on hypocrisy!

Romania is not ready for Schengen. We all know that. But what does that have to do with Croatia's entry?

Keep us out of the EU Zoo by all means Croatian citizens thank you. Our simpleton politicians thats a hole another jungle story of them wanting extra bananas any way they can get it just for then selfs. We know it is the EU Zoo curators trick and he will be adding more displays from the ferocious Balkans. Even though he dose not have the money to purchase anything just more trickery to get you in the cages.

Arici zanzibarului wrote: "Croatia will join EU well before Zanzibar."
Well, since you are known here because of: Ataman = jez = Arici, then who is Zanzibar=....Serbia?!

"But what does that have to do with Croatia's entry?"

Ron, it doesn't have anything to do with Croatia, it has with Germany (Welcome to EU politics).
How do you know we're not ready? Haven't we paid well over 1.000.000.000 Euros to german/french companies (like EADS) for consultancy and revamping of border security? Oui monsieur. Hasn't the EC already acknowledged compliance with the technical requirements? Ja ja.
Does anyone even remotely remember in the Netherlands how is it to guard a terrestrial border?
Pardonnez moi, but it's just political to business mess. Romania went with canadian technology for two nuclear reactors instead of french/german. 1 Bn Euros more and Merkel herself would have cracked the champagne.
If we're on the subject, has anyone bothered to check Sarkozy's track of corruption allegations? Too many gypsies in France? well, excuse us for not applying the final solution for them.

But whatever, I don't think we should take out the borders with Hungary and Bulgaria but the one with Republic of Moldova instead.

The Hedgehog of Zanzibar might be right. BTW is "Ariciul Zanzibarului" or "Ariciul din Zanzibar"

Poor countries lack everything, including good government - get over it, and help them get richer. (By which I don't mean loan them money they can't repay.)
(Amer, 4 January 2011 17:43)

But Amer, then why let them in before they are ready?

A question: how many of the original members of the EU would have been able to meet today's requirements before they joined? Applicants have to meet standards that the rest of the EU have been developing for decades now, without being allowed to go through the preliminary stages that France and Germany and the rest did in their past. The latest standards of hygiene, of food safety that require expensive systems of technology and monitoring, but that perhaps do not add all that much more value, can bankrupt poor farmers, for example - although slight modifications might be enough to improve the level of safety significantly, if they are even needed. And the burden of new regulations offers unending opportunities for "corruption" as the quicker learn to take advantage of the distance between what's required and what's possible. Greece, as a long-time member, was allowed to run up debts it could never pay without staggering changes to its system, without a word being said, while Bulgaria and Romania, which were allowed in early for perfectly good reasons (so they wouldn't go to Russia for support), are being held up to Nordic standards at every opportunity. Poor countries lack everything, including good government - get over it, and help them get richer. (By which I don't mean loan them money they can't repay.)

Well, since you are known here because of: Ataman = jez = Arici, then who is Zanzibar=....Serbia?!
(Sündisznó, 4 January 2011 16:01)

Zanzibar is just... Zanzibar. Since the hedgehog begun with "A" in this case - the "Z" looked like a good idea. And I felt, Croatia before Zanzibar being a safe bet.

Another crack in the EU shell.

Mouse tries to bite Rottweiler! In the stupidity stakes, it vies for position of the news that a certain kosovo albanian party is threatening to block the beginning of talks with Belgrade over Kosovo because of Dick Marty's report. Another one of many cretinous comments coming from balkan 'politicians'...

The Hedgehog of Zanzibar might be right. BTW is "Ariciul Zanzibarului" or "Ariciul din Zanzibar"
(adrian/bucharest, 4 January 2011 17:02)

Oh my, what a shame I didn't make it right... :(
Hope, the Albanian version is better grammatically.

Roman" the violinist", Adrian,

Of course I know how (EU) politics work. That was exactly my point.

But this is a very sad development.

Adrian,

On Moldavo/Moldavia, are you serieus? And then what about the frozen conflict in Transdsjnitr?

Romania is ready to join the Schengen Area from a technical point of view. Romania has met all the technical requirements.

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area on 27 March.

Yes Ron, for me as a romanian (and bla bla EU citizen as Mircea says)to remove the border with Rep of Moldova(not incorporating Moldova but a Schengen type border or at least no visas for them and a very light control) IS waaay more important then this Schengen nonsense. Second would be to open a direct route from Romania to Austria and Italy through Serbia and bypassing Hungary (for various reasons).
As for Transnistria, a 10 m high concrete wall+ 1km wide minefield+3 lines of electric fences along Dniester river.
In the EC treaty joining Schengen is a right, but also an obligation that has to occur at some point at least, so I was dreaming with my eyes open while driving home today that since techically Ro fulfiled the criteria, but the other party said no, maybe our morons politicians would invoke that obligation has been fulfilled and we sit Schengen out for good.

"Mircea, what rights of the Romanian minority does Serbia not respect? You'll have to be more specific or you'll end up sounding like all the other idiot fascists in the Balkans claiming imaginary discrimination as an excuse to cause instability - like this lot, for example [link] - and that's not very European, is it? Good neighbourly relations, remember?
(Dave, 5 January 2011 14:52)"

OK,let me explain it to you. Timok Valley, you know where it is? Good. So you declare those people as "vlachs". OK, but why don`t they have schools and churches in "vlach" then? I don`t expect any answer.

I'd query a couple of things here. You say "you declare those people Vlachs" - they call themselves Vlachs. Their political party is the Party of Vlachs. To decide that they'll be Romanian, whether they like it or not, is rather reminiscent of the Bulgarian nationalists who've decided that Macedonians are Bulgarians who have somehow forgotten the fact (as a Macedonian friend of mine says, "like you'd forget something like that!").

There also has to be some sort of cut-off point to the right to free education in your first language. Britain has 1 million citizens of Pakistani origin who have no entitlement to education in Urdu and many, myself included, would say rightly so - the language of the country is English and separating kids at an early age is socially divisive and does them no favours.

Do the 40,000 or so Vlachs in Serbia really need educating in Vlach any more than the 20,000 or so Serbs in Romania need educating in Serbian? These would be seen as unreasonable demands in the large, affluent countries of Western Europe - in the impoverished Balkans they're an unjustifiable extravagance (or, more probably, an excuse for offshore nationalists like Ataka to make mischief).

We will not stop Croatia to enter EU, we will not even stop Serbia, even if we have serious problems with them.

Ro & Bg have still not met the conditions necessary to join the EU. Their 2007 entry was on the provision that by jan 1 2010 all condition would be met. Of course this being the EU, 'or else' is open to interpretation. Delaying Schengen is a means to slap Ro in the face to comply with what they promised. Why on earth should they be let off the hook?

We will not stop Croatia to enter EU, we will not even stop Serbia, even if we have serious problems with them.
(Adrian, Timisoara, 5 January 2011 01:24)

Which kind of problems you have? Never know about some problem between Romania and Serbia?

Roman,

The problem is that Serbia does not respect the rights of the Romanian minority in Serbia.

Aleks,

Romania has met all the technical requirements for joining the Schengen Area.

Romania's target date for joining the Schengen Area is 27 March 2011.

Mircea, what rights of the Romanian minority does Serbia not respect? You'll have to be more specific or you'll end up sounding like all the other idiot fascists in the Balkans claiming imaginary discrimination as an excuse to cause instability - like this lot, for example http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=11&dd=28&nav_id=71184 - and that's not very European, is it? Good neighbourly relations, remember?

We will not stop Croatia to enter EU, we will not even stop Serbia, even if we have serious problems with them.
(Adrian, Timisoara, 5 January 2011 01:24)

Short sighted people that are driven by quick riches and materialism should not be giving their opinions or advice to those that can see or saw the evils of the Nazis.
My problem is less with the Croats since they can't help themselves on their own even with their new president that means well and that has his heart set in the right place.
My problem is with Germany and France.
In Germany they enacted anti Nazi laws to make themselves feel good about themselves and project one of the most anti Nazi images in the world while helping and turning a blind eye to Croatia's Nazis and to the Nazis of the Baltic states. Obvious hypocrisy, favoritism and double standards is not only my or your problem but it's also the problem of the whole planet. You have to be a Jew or a Gypsy or a Serb in the Balkans to grasp the full meaning of Roman "the violinist"'s post. These openly proud Nazis--dancing, singing, celebrating and parading their yesterdays' atrocities in front of civilized Europe in the 21st century boggles the minds of those people that see that era as one of the darkest in human history. It's the Gypsies that are being punished for being Gypsy and Romania for being the country with a large population of Gypsies. Croatians are getting a "free pass" for glorifying those that killed Gypsies, Jews and Serbs in their concentration camps. There are no laws against these Nazis, and their open to the public activities like there are in Germany. Maybe that's OK with you and the Bulgarians since you were their allies in WW2 and now, but it's not OK with those whose families still live with those horrors and are unfairly reminded on a daily basis, right in front of their noses in 21st century Europe. It's every human being's real nature to stand up against evil and embrace the Truth or the world will start to revert back into the dark ages like France with their decision to expel the Gypsy families while turning a blind eye to the Croatian and other Nazis of Europe.

"But Amer, then why let them in before they are ready?
(Ron, 4 January 2011 20:44) "

For one reason, what "ready" means keeps changing. Also, for countries already allowed in for the good of the others (Bulgaria, Romania), it seems less than fair to put additional obstacles in their way at this point. If the early EU countries were at a lower level of development than they are now and have been allowed time to develop, why the emphasis on making the new entrants meet new, higher standards in advance?

The EU has an interest in having all the countries in Europe in the Union. Continually increasing the number of hoops countries have to jump through before being allowed in may turn out to be counter-productive from the standpoint of EU interests, if some decide it's not worth the effort.

An improvement in the economic conditions of the EU will make a lot of this moot, as they'll begin looking for more workers and happy to have a source available on their doorstep.

Romania is not ready for Schengen. We all know that. But what does that have to do with Croatia's entry?

Romania is not ready for Schengen. We all know that. But what does that have to do with Croatia's entry?
(Ron, 4 January 2011 14:35)

Maybe the Romanians are trying to say something like: Why is Croatia "rewarded" and overlooked regarding her Nazi activities? What about their corruption and and their criminals? Why the double standards and favoritism by Germany? Double standards and favoritism will disrupt the harmony of the EU. People loose respect and faith in the system--and the cancer starts to spread.
Did anyone know that the most screwed-up families are those that practice favoritism and double standards with their children?

Shine the light on hypocrisy!

Romania is ready to join the Schengen Area from a technical point of view. Romania has met all the technical requirements.

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area on 27 March.

Arici zanzibarului wrote: "Croatia will join EU well before Zanzibar."
Well, since you are known here because of: Ataman = jez = Arici, then who is Zanzibar=....Serbia?!

I'm dying to read Mircea, EU Citizen's post ..... yoohoo Mircea!

I'm dying to read Mircea, EU Citizen's post ..... yoohoo Mircea!
(lowe, 4 January 2011 13:23)

Croatia will join EU well before Zanzibar.

Mouse tries to bite Rottweiler! In the stupidity stakes, it vies for position of the news that a certain kosovo albanian party is threatening to block the beginning of talks with Belgrade over Kosovo because of Dick Marty's report. Another one of many cretinous comments coming from balkan 'politicians'...

Keep us out of the EU Zoo by all means Croatian citizens thank you. Our simpleton politicians thats a hole another jungle story of them wanting extra bananas any way they can get it just for then selfs. We know it is the EU Zoo curators trick and he will be adding more displays from the ferocious Balkans. Even though he dose not have the money to purchase anything just more trickery to get you in the cages.

Well, since you are known here because of: Ataman = jez = Arici, then who is Zanzibar=....Serbia?!
(Sündisznó, 4 January 2011 16:01)

Zanzibar is just... Zanzibar. Since the hedgehog begun with "A" in this case - the "Z" looked like a good idea. And I felt, Croatia before Zanzibar being a safe bet.

Roman,

The problem is that Serbia does not respect the rights of the Romanian minority in Serbia.

Aleks,

Romania has met all the technical requirements for joining the Schengen Area.

Romania's target date for joining the Schengen Area is 27 March 2011.

Mircea, what rights of the Romanian minority does Serbia not respect? You'll have to be more specific or you'll end up sounding like all the other idiot fascists in the Balkans claiming imaginary discrimination as an excuse to cause instability - like this lot, for example http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=11&dd=28&nav_id=71184 - and that's not very European, is it? Good neighbourly relations, remember?

"Mircea, what rights of the Romanian minority does Serbia not respect? You'll have to be more specific or you'll end up sounding like all the other idiot fascists in the Balkans claiming imaginary discrimination as an excuse to cause instability - like this lot, for example [link] - and that's not very European, is it? Good neighbourly relations, remember?
(Dave, 5 January 2011 14:52)"

OK,let me explain it to you. Timok Valley, you know where it is? Good. So you declare those people as "vlachs". OK, but why don`t they have schools and churches in "vlach" then? I don`t expect any answer.

"But what does that have to do with Croatia's entry?"

Ron, it doesn't have anything to do with Croatia, it has with Germany (Welcome to EU politics).
How do you know we're not ready? Haven't we paid well over 1.000.000.000 Euros to german/french companies (like EADS) for consultancy and revamping of border security? Oui monsieur. Hasn't the EC already acknowledged compliance with the technical requirements? Ja ja.
Does anyone even remotely remember in the Netherlands how is it to guard a terrestrial border?
Pardonnez moi, but it's just political to business mess. Romania went with canadian technology for two nuclear reactors instead of french/german. 1 Bn Euros more and Merkel herself would have cracked the champagne.
If we're on the subject, has anyone bothered to check Sarkozy's track of corruption allegations? Too many gypsies in France? well, excuse us for not applying the final solution for them.

But whatever, I don't think we should take out the borders with Hungary and Bulgaria but the one with Republic of Moldova instead.

The Hedgehog of Zanzibar might be right. BTW is "Ariciul Zanzibarului" or "Ariciul din Zanzibar"

The Hedgehog of Zanzibar might be right. BTW is "Ariciul Zanzibarului" or "Ariciul din Zanzibar"
(adrian/bucharest, 4 January 2011 17:02)

Oh my, what a shame I didn't make it right... :(
Hope, the Albanian version is better grammatically.

Another crack in the EU shell.

We will not stop Croatia to enter EU, we will not even stop Serbia, even if we have serious problems with them.

Yes Ron, for me as a romanian (and bla bla EU citizen as Mircea says)to remove the border with Rep of Moldova(not incorporating Moldova but a Schengen type border or at least no visas for them and a very light control) IS waaay more important then this Schengen nonsense. Second would be to open a direct route from Romania to Austria and Italy through Serbia and bypassing Hungary (for various reasons).
As for Transnistria, a 10 m high concrete wall+ 1km wide minefield+3 lines of electric fences along Dniester river.
In the EC treaty joining Schengen is a right, but also an obligation that has to occur at some point at least, so I was dreaming with my eyes open while driving home today that since techically Ro fulfiled the criteria, but the other party said no, maybe our morons politicians would invoke that obligation has been fulfilled and we sit Schengen out for good.

We will not stop Croatia to enter EU, we will not even stop Serbia, even if we have serious problems with them.
(Adrian, Timisoara, 5 January 2011 01:24)

Short sighted people that are driven by quick riches and materialism should not be giving their opinions or advice to those that can see or saw the evils of the Nazis.
My problem is less with the Croats since they can't help themselves on their own even with their new president that means well and that has his heart set in the right place.
My problem is with Germany and France.
In Germany they enacted anti Nazi laws to make themselves feel good about themselves and project one of the most anti Nazi images in the world while helping and turning a blind eye to Croatia's Nazis and to the Nazis of the Baltic states. Obvious hypocrisy, favoritism and double standards is not only my or your problem but it's also the problem of the whole planet. You have to be a Jew or a Gypsy or a Serb in the Balkans to grasp the full meaning of Roman "the violinist"'s post. These openly proud Nazis--dancing, singing, celebrating and parading their yesterdays' atrocities in front of civilized Europe in the 21st century boggles the minds of those people that see that era as one of the darkest in human history. It's the Gypsies that are being punished for being Gypsy and Romania for being the country with a large population of Gypsies. Croatians are getting a "free pass" for glorifying those that killed Gypsies, Jews and Serbs in their concentration camps. There are no laws against these Nazis, and their open to the public activities like there are in Germany. Maybe that's OK with you and the Bulgarians since you were their allies in WW2 and now, but it's not OK with those whose families still live with those horrors and are unfairly reminded on a daily basis, right in front of their noses in 21st century Europe. It's every human being's real nature to stand up against evil and embrace the Truth or the world will start to revert back into the dark ages like France with their decision to expel the Gypsy families while turning a blind eye to the Croatian and other Nazis of Europe.

I'd query a couple of things here. You say "you declare those people Vlachs" - they call themselves Vlachs. Their political party is the Party of Vlachs. To decide that they'll be Romanian, whether they like it or not, is rather reminiscent of the Bulgarian nationalists who've decided that Macedonians are Bulgarians who have somehow forgotten the fact (as a Macedonian friend of mine says, "like you'd forget something like that!").

There also has to be some sort of cut-off point to the right to free education in your first language. Britain has 1 million citizens of Pakistani origin who have no entitlement to education in Urdu and many, myself included, would say rightly so - the language of the country is English and separating kids at an early age is socially divisive and does them no favours.

Do the 40,000 or so Vlachs in Serbia really need educating in Vlach any more than the 20,000 or so Serbs in Romania need educating in Serbian? These would be seen as unreasonable demands in the large, affluent countries of Western Europe - in the impoverished Balkans they're an unjustifiable extravagance (or, more probably, an excuse for offshore nationalists like Ataka to make mischief).

"But Amer, then why let them in before they are ready?
(Ron, 4 January 2011 20:44) "

For one reason, what "ready" means keeps changing. Also, for countries already allowed in for the good of the others (Bulgaria, Romania), it seems less than fair to put additional obstacles in their way at this point. If the early EU countries were at a lower level of development than they are now and have been allowed time to develop, why the emphasis on making the new entrants meet new, higher standards in advance?

The EU has an interest in having all the countries in Europe in the Union. Continually increasing the number of hoops countries have to jump through before being allowed in may turn out to be counter-productive from the standpoint of EU interests, if some decide it's not worth the effort.

An improvement in the economic conditions of the EU will make a lot of this moot, as they'll begin looking for more workers and happy to have a source available on their doorstep.

We will not stop Croatia to enter EU, we will not even stop Serbia, even if we have serious problems with them.
(Adrian, Timisoara, 5 January 2011 01:24)

Which kind of problems you have? Never know about some problem between Romania and Serbia?

A question: how many of the original members of the EU would have been able to meet today's requirements before they joined? Applicants have to meet standards that the rest of the EU have been developing for decades now, without being allowed to go through the preliminary stages that France and Germany and the rest did in their past. The latest standards of hygiene, of food safety that require expensive systems of technology and monitoring, but that perhaps do not add all that much more value, can bankrupt poor farmers, for example - although slight modifications might be enough to improve the level of safety significantly, if they are even needed. And the burden of new regulations offers unending opportunities for "corruption" as the quicker learn to take advantage of the distance between what's required and what's possible. Greece, as a long-time member, was allowed to run up debts it could never pay without staggering changes to its system, without a word being said, while Bulgaria and Romania, which were allowed in early for perfectly good reasons (so they wouldn't go to Russia for support), are being held up to Nordic standards at every opportunity. Poor countries lack everything, including good government - get over it, and help them get richer. (By which I don't mean loan them money they can't repay.)

Poor countries lack everything, including good government - get over it, and help them get richer. (By which I don't mean loan them money they can't repay.)
(Amer, 4 January 2011 17:43)

But Amer, then why let them in before they are ready?

Roman" the violinist", Adrian,

Of course I know how (EU) politics work. That was exactly my point.

But this is a very sad development.

Adrian,

On Moldavo/Moldavia, are you serieus? And then what about the frozen conflict in Transdsjnitr?

Ro & Bg have still not met the conditions necessary to join the EU. Their 2007 entry was on the provision that by jan 1 2010 all condition would be met. Of course this being the EU, 'or else' is open to interpretation. Delaying Schengen is a means to slap Ro in the face to comply with what they promised. Why on earth should they be let off the hook?