K. Albanians: Marty report postpones talks

"Krasnici expressed belief that organ trafficking and other serious crimes, including drug and gun running, were committed "neither by officials mentioned in the report nor by the Kosovo Liberation Army".

Of course Thaci didn't kill the persons before the organs have been extracted in person. Just like Milosevic and Mladic didn't kill people. But as the leaders, they all bear responsibility, and they gave the orders. At least they knew about it and approved it.

But as the leaders, they all bear responsibility, and they gave the orders. At least they knew about it and approved it.
(Top, 4 January 2011 12:43)

Hey TOP! Whether there has been orders from the leaders as you would like to be that is something that Dick Marty DID NOT mention any FACTS. That is the problem with this report. I have always said in my previous comments that I would never rule out any bad/criminal Albanian individuals BUT NOT Hashim Thaci or KLA. And in Dick Marty report there are not REAL EVIDENCES but just ASSUMPTIONS. What is also worrrying is that Dick Marty has started hiding himself behind "its immunity".

Damn Marty, now Kosovo wont be in UN and Serbia wont be able to join EU.

Just face it, Albanians do not want dialogue with Belgrade. It is very easy to find excuse.

Well I say good. The only thing we will have to talk about is eventual re-integration of K.albo society into Serbia's.

Face it, the world is starting to see what we have been saying all along.

You are weaker than us as people. You need foreign help, and for that you will eventually lose.

Our futures are brighter than yours.

Nema Predaje

Well I say good. The only thing we will have to talk about is eventual re-integration of K.albo society into Serbia's.

Face it, the world is starting to see what we have been saying all along.

You are weaker than us as people. You need foreign help, and for that you will eventually lose.

Our futures are brighter than yours.

Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 4 January 2011 14:28)

The world so far has seen nothing but assumptions with no evidence. Of course we have needed the foreign help since Serbia has stolen all armament from former SFRJ.
As people we are stronger than you as we never dealt with unarmed civilians like you Serbs.
As for re-integration you can just dream-on.

"The perpetrators should be identified. We are also interested in disclosure of identity of persons involved in such level of organized crime," Krasniqi concluded.
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Bravo! No need to rush into 'talks' so Serbia can advance in EU. First, ask Dick for evidence than let EULEX either prove or clear the matter. No negotiations with accused 'organ harvesters,' so let's find out the truth. Shouldn't take long, all Dick has to do is tell EULEX how he knows

Says who: KLA spokesman.

This is great news. It means partition! Albanian dreams of taking over northern kosovo and ethnically cleansing the remainders has taken one step back. With stupidity like this, world domination by the reheated 'Illyrians' (2min on the 'high' setting in the microwave) is postponed forever!

Serbs should be more interested than anybody else in investigating these allegations. So there is nothing to rush, we investigate on your 500 people missing you investigate on our 2 thousand missing. Serbia has chosen to follow Kosovo's pace in her way to EU. So wait.

Fortunately the report hasn't stopped recognitions - Qatar http://www.balkanweb.com/kosova/2686/katari-njeh-pavar-sin--e-kosov-s-54030.html finally got around to it. My guess: they needed Russia's support for their World Cup bid.

"the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA)"

Whats this "so-called"? it was called KLA and not so-called!.

Actually UN did find plenty of evidence but Hague ordered it to be destroyed.
There goes their credibility back then.
They might redeem themselves this time.
(Peggy, 5 January 2011 11:07)
The evidence destroyed had been photographed prior to being destroyed. If you want to call it evidence. Some guaze, an IV tubing, and an empty medicine vial found at a dumpsite 5 years after the supposed crimes.
Only an idiot would consider that as any type of positive evidence, to anyone who wishes "if the shoe fits, wear it.

Another excuse for Pristina to stall. The fact that Ashton has been pushing Pristina for talks for months now means any statements alluding to "postponement" means little. The more Pristina delays the worse their situation gets and the more impatient their international supporters become.

Those so-called ethnic Albanian "politicians" have no idea how to negotiate as they are more familiar with ultimatums. That is the mafia way.

The longer negotiations are delayed the weaker the KiM Albanian position so the clock is ticking in Serbia's favour.
(Zoran, 4 January 2011 20:07)


Serbian "negotiations" consists of Threats, tantrums,or expectations of rewards for solving problems they create. In that order.

followed then by propaganda geared to its population about how everybody hates serbia when they dont get their way.

Let the clock tick, Nothing is in serbia's favor, it has already capitulated by agreeing to speak with people it has insisted doesnt exist, serbia will be informed.

Actually UN did find plenty of evidence but Hague ordered it to be destroyed.
(Peggy, 5 January 2011 11:07)


I am sure if they search my home they will find much more evidence.
Since the first evidence is 'destroyed'
and now in century 21st such a court IC doesn't have archive at all. I will make it ease for Mr Marty and for Serbia. They can come any time at my house and find much more evidence so much needed. My house is not far from FushKruja either.
After we all solve this problem can you please help us find the remaining of around 2000 albanians that are not found anywhere yet?
We promise we will not look if their organs are taken or not.

"Jakup Krasniqi has stated that the "Kosovo institutions must clarify the situation after accusations and slander" he says was done by Special Rapporteur of the Council of Europe (CoE) Dick Marty."

-- This is a very logical conclusion. This should be especially logical to the Serbs who have already bought into the story without ever seeing a single shred of evidence presented to the international justice system and international organizations. Since you are already convinced about Thaci's guilt then you should have no problem waiting a little bit until the justice system clarifies this. There should be no talks with those you already consider guilty right? So we wait till all of this is made official and then you talk to someone else. Simple.

Serbs should be more interested than anybody else in investigating these allegations. So there is nothing to rush, we investigate on your 500 people missing you investigate on our 2 thousand missing. Serbia has chosen to follow Kosovo's pace in her way to EU. So wait.
(Mark, 4 January 2011 17:44)
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I wouldn't trust you to investigate on my missing cat.
No thanks.
You investigate on your own and leave the others to get to the bottom of your crimes.

I wouldn't trust you to investigate on my missing cat.
No thanks.
You investigate on your own and leave the others to get to the bottom of your crimes.
(peggy, 4 January 2011 20:54)

Nobody needs your trust or any serbs trust. You serbs will be in a moral position to ask about your missing people when you can answer questions about our 2 thousand missing people.

Those so-called ethnic Albanian "politicians" have no idea how to negotiate as they are more familiar with ultimatums. That is the mafia way.

The longer negotiations are delayed the weaker the KiM Albanian position so the clock is ticking in Serbia's favour.

You investigate on your own and leave the others to get to the bottom of your crimes.
(peggy, 4 January 2011 20:54)

Peggy, they already have gone to the bottom three times with three diferent institutions that are not albanians. UNMIK which was juiridiction of UN, IC of Hague and EULEX. All three did not find anything at all. Mr Marty brought nothing new.
Since I really thing you a good girl, can you please influence in Serbians to find the remains of like 2000 albanians that their families waiting for and Serbian government is not cooperating at all. So we albanians can give them the respekt that they deserve as we do for other 9000 that we already buried thanx to Serbian military.

Then, again, who knows what was happening at your house during that time.
(Peggy, 6 January 2011 07:11)

I do not remember myself what happen to my house during that time. But Mr Marty and Co can tell me I am sure about that.
What worries me is that, three times I asked you for 2000 Albanians that we do not know where their body's are I see dead silence for this from your side. That is not honesty.
I am telling you 2000 people dead with names and family, need to talk. You telling me no we have to talk gossip first.

Whats this "so-called"? it was called KLA and not so-called!.
(Odin, 5 January 2011)

Odin you must be new to the so-called B92 News webpage. Get used to it.

There should be no talks with human trafficers, drug dealers and terrorists like Thaci and co.

Fortunately the report hasn't stopped recognitions - Qatar [link] finally got around to it. My guess: they needed Russia's support for their World Cup bid.
(Amer, 4 January 2011 18:32)
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Are you sure Amer or is Hash high again? He said the same thing last September. Check http://www.ansamed.info/en/qatar/news/ME.XAM13053.html

I still can't see it in the list -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo while doing so now will be done in poor taste.

Still waiting for Roberto's comment.
Are human rights one-sided?

"Are you sure Amer or is Hash high again? He said the same thing last September. Check [link]"

Yes, the Emir recognized Kosovo during Hash's visit immediately before the UN GA, but out of "respect for Russia" did not hurry to follow through with the formalities. This is why I assume a World Cup connection - if you remember, Russia and Qatar both won, under circumstances that involved considerable lobbying. At the very least.

"I still can't see it in the list -> [link] while doing so now will be done in poor taste.
(Zoran, 4 January 2011 20:15) "

Huh?

See B92's Serbian version if you don't recognize the flag in the link I offered.

what negotiations ? as long as albanians occupie parts of kosovo there will be no peace. i would also think like this if they try this with my country...

"Peggy, they already have gone to the bottom three times with three diferent institutions that are not albanians. UNMIK which was juiridiction of UN, IC of Hague and EULEX. All three did not find anything at all. Mr Marty brought nothing new"
========================

Actually UN did find plenty of evidence but Hague ordered it to be destroyed.
There goes their credibility back then.
They might redeem themselves this time.

Huh?

See B92's Serbian version if you don't recognize the flag in the link I offered.
(Amer, 4 January 2011)

Not Zoran's fault. Looks like B92's English translators are still on their Christmas break.

I am sure if they search my home they will find much more evidence.
Since the first evidence is 'destroyed'
and now in century 21st such a court IC doesn't have archive at all.
==========================

I see that you don't believe that the evidence was destroyed.
Germany ADMITTED it. Are you calling them liars?

Thinking you can divert their attention to your house from their real task is so childish. Then, again, who knows what was happening at your house during that time.

Well I say good. The only thing we will have to talk about is eventual re-integration of K.albo society into Serbia's.

Face it, the world is starting to see what we have been saying all along.

You are weaker than us as people. You need foreign help, and for that you will eventually lose.

Our futures are brighter than yours.

Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 4 January 2011 14:28)

The world so far has seen nothing but assumptions with no evidence. Of course we have needed the foreign help since Serbia has stolen all armament from former SFRJ.
As people we are stronger than you as we never dealt with unarmed civilians like you Serbs.
As for re-integration you can just dream-on.
(Simpatiku, 4 January 2011 14:50)

"Our criticisms always reflect how we feel about ourselves;they mask our fear that we don't measure up. The irony is that every time we sit in judgment of someone else, we strengthen the very feelings of inferiority that we are trying to escape or deny or project onto someone else. This behavior becomes a vicious cycle.
If peace is what we are after, rest assured that it will never materialize, for us personally or for communities or countries either, as long as we keep filling our minds with judgments."


"Cange Your Mind and Your Life Will Follow"
"Karen Casey"

But as the leaders, they all bear responsibility, and they gave the orders. At least they knew about it and approved it.
(Top, 4 January 2011 12:43)

Hey TOP! Whether there has been orders from the leaders as you would like to be that is something that Dick Marty DID NOT mention any FACTS. That is the problem with this report. I have always said in my previous comments that I would never rule out any bad/criminal Albanian individuals BUT NOT Hashim Thaci or KLA. And in Dick Marty report there are not REAL EVIDENCES but just ASSUMPTIONS. What is also worrrying is that Dick Marty has started hiding himself behind "its immunity".

Well I say good. The only thing we will have to talk about is eventual re-integration of K.albo society into Serbia's.

Face it, the world is starting to see what we have been saying all along.

You are weaker than us as people. You need foreign help, and for that you will eventually lose.

Our futures are brighter than yours.

Nema Predaje

Says who: KLA spokesman.

Well I say good. The only thing we will have to talk about is eventual re-integration of K.albo society into Serbia's.

Face it, the world is starting to see what we have been saying all along.

You are weaker than us as people. You need foreign help, and for that you will eventually lose.

Our futures are brighter than yours.

Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 4 January 2011 14:28)

The world so far has seen nothing but assumptions with no evidence. Of course we have needed the foreign help since Serbia has stolen all armament from former SFRJ.
As people we are stronger than you as we never dealt with unarmed civilians like you Serbs.
As for re-integration you can just dream-on.

This is great news. It means partition! Albanian dreams of taking over northern kosovo and ethnically cleansing the remainders has taken one step back. With stupidity like this, world domination by the reheated 'Illyrians' (2min on the 'high' setting in the microwave) is postponed forever!

Another excuse for Pristina to stall. The fact that Ashton has been pushing Pristina for talks for months now means any statements alluding to "postponement" means little. The more Pristina delays the worse their situation gets and the more impatient their international supporters become.

"Krasnici expressed belief that organ trafficking and other serious crimes, including drug and gun running, were committed "neither by officials mentioned in the report nor by the Kosovo Liberation Army".

Of course Thaci didn't kill the persons before the organs have been extracted in person. Just like Milosevic and Mladic didn't kill people. But as the leaders, they all bear responsibility, and they gave the orders. At least they knew about it and approved it.

Just face it, Albanians do not want dialogue with Belgrade. It is very easy to find excuse.

Serbs should be more interested than anybody else in investigating these allegations. So there is nothing to rush, we investigate on your 500 people missing you investigate on our 2 thousand missing. Serbia has chosen to follow Kosovo's pace in her way to EU. So wait.
(Mark, 4 January 2011 17:44)
========================

I wouldn't trust you to investigate on my missing cat.
No thanks.
You investigate on your own and leave the others to get to the bottom of your crimes.

Damn Marty, now Kosovo wont be in UN and Serbia wont be able to join EU.

Those so-called ethnic Albanian "politicians" have no idea how to negotiate as they are more familiar with ultimatums. That is the mafia way.

The longer negotiations are delayed the weaker the KiM Albanian position so the clock is ticking in Serbia's favour.

Fortunately the report hasn't stopped recognitions - Qatar [link] finally got around to it. My guess: they needed Russia's support for their World Cup bid.
(Amer, 4 January 2011 18:32)
--
Are you sure Amer or is Hash high again? He said the same thing last September. Check http://www.ansamed.info/en/qatar/news/ME.XAM13053.html

I still can't see it in the list -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo while doing so now will be done in poor taste.

I wouldn't trust you to investigate on my missing cat.
No thanks.
You investigate on your own and leave the others to get to the bottom of your crimes.
(peggy, 4 January 2011 20:54)

Nobody needs your trust or any serbs trust. You serbs will be in a moral position to ask about your missing people when you can answer questions about our 2 thousand missing people.

"The perpetrators should be identified. We are also interested in disclosure of identity of persons involved in such level of organized crime," Krasniqi concluded.
-----
Bravo! No need to rush into 'talks' so Serbia can advance in EU. First, ask Dick for evidence than let EULEX either prove or clear the matter. No negotiations with accused 'organ harvesters,' so let's find out the truth. Shouldn't take long, all Dick has to do is tell EULEX how he knows

Those so-called ethnic Albanian "politicians" have no idea how to negotiate as they are more familiar with ultimatums. That is the mafia way.

The longer negotiations are delayed the weaker the KiM Albanian position so the clock is ticking in Serbia's favour.
(Zoran, 4 January 2011 20:07)


Serbian "negotiations" consists of Threats, tantrums,or expectations of rewards for solving problems they create. In that order.

followed then by propaganda geared to its population about how everybody hates serbia when they dont get their way.

Let the clock tick, Nothing is in serbia's favor, it has already capitulated by agreeing to speak with people it has insisted doesnt exist, serbia will be informed.

"Jakup Krasniqi has stated that the "Kosovo institutions must clarify the situation after accusations and slander" he says was done by Special Rapporteur of the Council of Europe (CoE) Dick Marty."

-- This is a very logical conclusion. This should be especially logical to the Serbs who have already bought into the story without ever seeing a single shred of evidence presented to the international justice system and international organizations. Since you are already convinced about Thaci's guilt then you should have no problem waiting a little bit until the justice system clarifies this. There should be no talks with those you already consider guilty right? So we wait till all of this is made official and then you talk to someone else. Simple.

Fortunately the report hasn't stopped recognitions - Qatar http://www.balkanweb.com/kosova/2686/katari-njeh-pavar-sin--e-kosov-s-54030.html finally got around to it. My guess: they needed Russia's support for their World Cup bid.

There should be no talks with human trafficers, drug dealers and terrorists like Thaci and co.

what negotiations ? as long as albanians occupie parts of kosovo there will be no peace. i would also think like this if they try this with my country...

"Peggy, they already have gone to the bottom three times with three diferent institutions that are not albanians. UNMIK which was juiridiction of UN, IC of Hague and EULEX. All three did not find anything at all. Mr Marty brought nothing new"
========================

Actually UN did find plenty of evidence but Hague ordered it to be destroyed.
There goes their credibility back then.
They might redeem themselves this time.

Serbs should be more interested than anybody else in investigating these allegations. So there is nothing to rush, we investigate on your 500 people missing you investigate on our 2 thousand missing. Serbia has chosen to follow Kosovo's pace in her way to EU. So wait.

You investigate on your own and leave the others to get to the bottom of your crimes.
(peggy, 4 January 2011 20:54)

Peggy, they already have gone to the bottom three times with three diferent institutions that are not albanians. UNMIK which was juiridiction of UN, IC of Hague and EULEX. All three did not find anything at all. Mr Marty brought nothing new.
Since I really thing you a good girl, can you please influence in Serbians to find the remains of like 2000 albanians that their families waiting for and Serbian government is not cooperating at all. So we albanians can give them the respekt that they deserve as we do for other 9000 that we already buried thanx to Serbian military.

"Are you sure Amer or is Hash high again? He said the same thing last September. Check [link]"

Yes, the Emir recognized Kosovo during Hash's visit immediately before the UN GA, but out of "respect for Russia" did not hurry to follow through with the formalities. This is why I assume a World Cup connection - if you remember, Russia and Qatar both won, under circumstances that involved considerable lobbying. At the very least.

"I still can't see it in the list -> [link] while doing so now will be done in poor taste.
(Zoran, 4 January 2011 20:15) "

Huh?

See B92's Serbian version if you don't recognize the flag in the link I offered.

I am sure if they search my home they will find much more evidence.
Since the first evidence is 'destroyed'
and now in century 21st such a court IC doesn't have archive at all.
==========================

I see that you don't believe that the evidence was destroyed.
Germany ADMITTED it. Are you calling them liars?

Thinking you can divert their attention to your house from their real task is so childish. Then, again, who knows what was happening at your house during that time.

Still waiting for Roberto's comment.
Are human rights one-sided?

Actually UN did find plenty of evidence but Hague ordered it to be destroyed.
There goes their credibility back then.
They might redeem themselves this time.
(Peggy, 5 January 2011 11:07)
The evidence destroyed had been photographed prior to being destroyed. If you want to call it evidence. Some guaze, an IV tubing, and an empty medicine vial found at a dumpsite 5 years after the supposed crimes.
Only an idiot would consider that as any type of positive evidence, to anyone who wishes "if the shoe fits, wear it.

Actually UN did find plenty of evidence but Hague ordered it to be destroyed.
(Peggy, 5 January 2011 11:07)


I am sure if they search my home they will find much more evidence.
Since the first evidence is 'destroyed'
and now in century 21st such a court IC doesn't have archive at all. I will make it ease for Mr Marty and for Serbia. They can come any time at my house and find much more evidence so much needed. My house is not far from FushKruja either.
After we all solve this problem can you please help us find the remaining of around 2000 albanians that are not found anywhere yet?
We promise we will not look if their organs are taken or not.

Huh?

See B92's Serbian version if you don't recognize the flag in the link I offered.
(Amer, 4 January 2011)

Not Zoran's fault. Looks like B92's English translators are still on their Christmas break.

"the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA)"

Whats this "so-called"? it was called KLA and not so-called!.

Whats this "so-called"? it was called KLA and not so-called!.
(Odin, 5 January 2011)

Odin you must be new to the so-called B92 News webpage. Get used to it.

Well I say good. The only thing we will have to talk about is eventual re-integration of K.albo society into Serbia's.

Face it, the world is starting to see what we have been saying all along.

You are weaker than us as people. You need foreign help, and for that you will eventually lose.

Our futures are brighter than yours.

Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 4 January 2011 14:28)

The world so far has seen nothing but assumptions with no evidence. Of course we have needed the foreign help since Serbia has stolen all armament from former SFRJ.
As people we are stronger than you as we never dealt with unarmed civilians like you Serbs.
As for re-integration you can just dream-on.
(Simpatiku, 4 January 2011 14:50)

"Our criticisms always reflect how we feel about ourselves;they mask our fear that we don't measure up. The irony is that every time we sit in judgment of someone else, we strengthen the very feelings of inferiority that we are trying to escape or deny or project onto someone else. This behavior becomes a vicious cycle.
If peace is what we are after, rest assured that it will never materialize, for us personally or for communities or countries either, as long as we keep filling our minds with judgments."


"Cange Your Mind and Your Life Will Follow"
"Karen Casey"

Then, again, who knows what was happening at your house during that time.
(Peggy, 6 January 2011 07:11)

I do not remember myself what happen to my house during that time. But Mr Marty and Co can tell me I am sure about that.
What worries me is that, three times I asked you for 2000 Albanians that we do not know where their body's are I see dead silence for this from your side. That is not honesty.
I am telling you 2000 people dead with names and family, need to talk. You telling me no we have to talk gossip first.