"KFOR troop cut dangerous for holy sites"

its time for the serbian military to move in and protect the Serbs and the churches and monasteries because albanians only attack when its 100 on 1 so if the Serbians are present they wont dare touch nobody are nothing.

"How about you preserve the Albanian identity in Serbia?"
(KOSO, 2 January 2011 18:26)

Wow. One of the few persons from Kosovo who say Kosovo is Serbia, eh ? ;-)

its time for the serbian military to move in and protect the Serbs and the churches and monasteries because albanians only attack when its 100 on 1 so if the Serbians are present they wont dare touch nobody are nothing.
(gajo, 2 January 2011 18:56)
Welcome back to 1990 the mentality that started this whole mess! You've come a longgg way, baby

"The preservation of the Serb identity"

?? How about you preserve the Albanian identity in Serbia? Maybe we should copy our neighbor and put a base right next to the church, eh?

Of course it's (2), the churches and monasteries have been built by humans, and they can be destroyed by humans (some human mob), too.
It doesn't change the fact that they are holy sites.

its time for the serbian military to move in and protect the Serbs and the churches and monasteries because albanians only attack when its 100 on 1 so if the Serbians are present they wont dare touch nobody are nothing.
(gajo, 2 January 2011 18:56)
Welcome back to 1990 the mentality that started this whole mess! You've come a longgg way, baby
(pss, 2 January 2011 22:42)
=======================

And what do you suggest the Serbs do? Leave it to you to destroy everything Serbian in Kosovo?
You would like that, wouldn't you?

If defending your religion and people is barbaric then what do you call your attacks on them?

How about you preserve the Albanian identity in Serbia? Maybe we should copy our neighbor and put a base right next to the church, eh?
(KOSO, 2 January 2011 18:26)
see the difference is that no one has to protect albanians in central Serbia because it is a civilized nation.On the other hand look what happens to Serbian civilians in kosmet.That is the difference between our people.God bless Kosmet

johny said, "So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things."

Crude and rude comment.

Seems clear to me that when we humans use our free will we can believe or not believe.

We can use our free will for negative or positive purposes.

We can build or destory and we can be polite and civilized.

Then there are those who chose to be rude and crude.

I'd say it is (2) because when Mr. Gavrilovic (aka Irinej) declared few months ago that Kosovo's independence is a sin (i.e. a trasgression of the law of God), the latter could not do anything to punish those trasgressing such law !
(icj1, 2 January 2011 23:13)
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Be careful. Your intense hatred is showing.

If the vatican can have a pretend state, and if Kosovo can be a pretend state, then why not have the monasteries as pretend states?

Declare these sites to be independent nations in their own right under international protection.

If these are indeed holy sites, God's sites, and God is omnipotent then why do they need to be protected? That leaves us with 2 possibilities.

1. These are not really holy sites and God does not care the least about them.

2. These are indeed holy sites but God is not omnipotent and cannot defend them from a stronger force. Hence humans with machine guns are needed to defend against the stronger forces that God cannot defend.

So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things.

hey top you know that I was talking about Albanians in what I call EAST KOSOVA (Presheva Valley, Medvegje, Bujanoc) and in Belgrade.

But in another topic...today the Kosovo Army announced it's increasing in size to match the current security needs. Where KFOR is slacking, the Kosovo Army and American soldiers will fill the void.

THANKS
KOSO

If these are indeed holy sites, God's sites, and God is omnipotent then why do they need to be protected? That leaves us with 2 possibilities.

1. These are not really holy sites and God does not care the least about them.

2. These are indeed holy sites but God is not omnipotent and cannot defend them from a stronger force. Hence humans with machine guns are needed to defend against the stronger forces that God cannot defend.

So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things.
(johny, 2 January 2011 21:46)

I'd say it is (2) because when Mr. Gavrilovic (aka Irinej) declared few months ago that Kosovo's independence is a sin (i.e. a trasgression of the law of God), the latter could not do anything to punish those trasgressing such law !

If these are indeed holy sites, God's sites, and God is omnipotent then why do they need to be protected? That leaves us with 2 possibilities.

1. These are not really holy sites and God does not care the least about them.

2. These are indeed holy sites but God is not omnipotent and cannot defend them from a stronger force. Hence humans with machine guns are needed to defend against the stronger forces that God cannot defend.

So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things.
(johny, 2 January 2011 21:46)

yes there is 3 and it is god is watching and when its judgement day you will be judged that's why we are on earth he is not here to stop anything but he is watching everything and everyone so you albanians keep doing what your doing and you will See punishment from the heavens but oh i forgot you are Islamics you believe if you destroy holy sites and 100 of you kill 1 person then you will go to heaven.

Wow. One of the few persons from Kosovo who say Kosovo is Serbia, eh ? ;-)
(Top, 2 January 2011 20:00)

What koso said and interpretation is worlds apart.

Albanians by and large don't believe in God. Feel free to continue believing in your fairy tales though.
(Zoti, 3 January 2011 18:14)
=========================

You don't have to believe in God to receive your punishment from him.
You can continue to worship the snake but he's going down and will take you all with him if you don't jump off that ship now.

Basically me or my people have never attacked religious sites. But considering there is very little separation of church and state in Serbia, I can see where any enemies of Serbia do not distinguish between the 2.
You do not see attacks on Serbian religious sites as simply an attack on religion you see it as an attack on Serbs. If you cannot distinguish between the 2 how do expect those who you have made into enemies to.
(pss, 3 January 2011 14:27)
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You really are clueless and you say I don't make any sense.

Attacks on Serbian churches, monasteries or clergy ARE attacks on Serbs all over.

see the difference is that no one has to protect albanians in central Serbia because it is a civilized nation.On the other hand look what happens to Serbian civilians in kosmet.That is the difference between our people.God bless Kosmet
(Dragoslav, 3 January 2011 16:50)

Ye, all old Yugo federal entities know how civilised Serbs are! What a joke.

I guess its no surprise that this cult of death would describe the instability..that they are teh primary cause of, as "permanent"... it seems serb religious leadership have no intention of ever preaching and living in peace in the country in wich they live.

You are a religious organization or a political organization... you cannot be both.

the question is how long will people allow this cult to HIDE BEHIND the pretense of religion, and treat them as the extremist political organization they have ALWAYS been.

And what do you suggest the Serbs do? Leave it to you to destroy everything Serbian in Kosovo?
You would like that, wouldn't you?

If defending your religion and people is barbaric then what do you call your attacks on them?
(Peggy, 3 January 2011 00:17)
Your answer and gajos comments and mine do not match at all.
Basically me or my people have never attacked religious sites. But considering there is very little separation of church and state in Serbia, I can see where any enemies of Serbia do not distinguish between the 2.
You do not see attacks on Serbian religious sites as simply an attack on religion you see it as an attack on Serbs. If you cannot distinguish between the 2 how do expect those who you have made into enemies to.

"Crude and rude comment."

-- Subjective. What is crude and rude to you; might be true and tested to others.

"Seems clear to me that when we humans use our free will we can believe or not believe."

-- Sure but believing in holy sites certainly does not equal their existence. You're free to believe that just as I'm free to point out that that's ridiculous. Pretty simple.

"We can use our free will for negative or positive purposes. "

-- This is also subjective. Some might see the claim of a place called holy by certain humans as a figment of imagination versus truth, and not positive versus negative.

"We can build or destory and we can be polite and civilized."

-- Religion does not equal being civilized. Most often than not it has equaled the opposite. Its the most polite way I could say this.

"Then there are those who chose to be rude and crude."

-- Again, subjective. There are those who don't by in religious dogma. Some might see that as differentiating between truth and myths.

If God made this earth; then isn't all of earth holy because it is his creation? If that is the case than what is the need for places that are holier than holy?

Fear mongering and scare tactics; that is how religion survives. Do as the church/mosque says or you'll get eternal damnation. For a moment we forget that very early in the day Abrahamic religions had no notions of hell and heaven; no eternal punishment or reward. Religions are the most non-sensical things out there.
(johny, 4 January 2011 00:01) First of Serb readers have to understand that most albos are communist therefore atheist.Now to your point,does not beieving in God give people the right to destroy monsteries and churches?God bless Kosmet.

"You don't have to believe in God to receive your punishment from him. "

-- Fear mongering and scare tactics; that is how religion survives. Do as the church/mosque says or you'll get eternal damnation. For a moment we forget that very early in the day Abrahamic religions had no notions of hell and heaven; no eternal punishment or reward. Religions are the most non-sensical things out there.

- Fear mongering and scare tactics; that is how religion survives. Do as the church/mosque says or you'll get eternal damnation.
=======================

I never said to do as the church tells you to do in order to escape punishment.
I think people are clever enough to know right from wrong and being spiritual doesn't mean being religious.

It is your own interpretation here that lets you down.

''see the difference is that no one has to protect albanians in central Serbia because it is a civilized nation.On the other hand look what happens to Serbian civilians in kosmet.That is the difference between our people.God bless Kosmet
(Dragoslav, 3 January 2011 16:50) ''

That's not true, Serbia has built new military bases close to Albanian cities in presevo valley...braking so the kumanovo agreement...

yes there is 3 and it is god is watching and when its judgement day you will be judged that's why we are on earth he is not here to stop anything but he is watching everything and everyone so you albanians keep doing what your doing and you will See punishment from the heavens (tommy, 3 January 2011)

Albanians by and large don't believe in God. Feel free to continue believing in your fairy tales though.

"I never said to do as the church tells you to do in order to escape punishment. "

-- This is weak peggy. Simply because punishment by God is exactly a religious argument; and an argument religion (church and mosques) base their existence on. Example: there are churches out there that maintain that using a condom is a sin and sins lead to hell. Hence if one does not follow the church's directive you cannot escape the punishment of your sin.You are punished to eternal damnation (for repeatedly using condoms).

"I think people are clever enough to know right from wrong and being spiritual doesn't mean being religious."

-- Not necessarily. There are those who would say that believing in the existence of holly sites is wrong and those who would say its right. Now when you say "people"; who do you have exactly in mind; those who say it's wrong or those who say it's right? So you see when you say "people" you are unable to define them as a single group. When you say "people" by definition you are talking about an amorphous mass; one that cannot be all lumped together.
Also being spiritual doesn't necessarily mean or equal believing that a God is out there to punish you on every indiscretion. Believing in a God that punishes every indiscretion is the hallmark of a religious person not necessarily of a spiritual one.


P.S To answer the Serb dude. As an Albanian-American born and raised in the USA; so far I didn't know I was a commie by definition because of my Albanian roots. See, it takes a Serb to figure stuff like this out; and all by himself with help whatsoever. Now to answer your question; Being non-religious equals not buying into religious dogma. Just that; and exactly just that.

Also being spiritual doesn't necessarily mean or equal believing that a God is out there to punish you on every indiscretion. Believing in a God that punishes every indiscretion is the hallmark of a religious person not necessarily of a spiritual one.
========================

You obviously have no idea what the difference between being spiritual to being religious is.

Trying so hard to discredit what I wrote and making yourself look silly in the process is exactly what you do best.
What's this "what people" rubbish you write?
What people? Anyone. No specific group. Individuals if that's what you want to hear.

Stop trying to look clever. It only does the opposite for you.

I'd say it is (2) because when Mr. Gavrilovic (aka Irinej) declared few months ago that Kosovo's independence is a sin (i.e. a trasgression of the law of God), the latter could not do anything to punish those trasgressing such law !
(icj1, 2 January 2011 23:13)
===…==
Be careful. Your intense hatred is showing.
(Peggy, 3 January 2011 00:15

be careful of what ? What hatred ? Where is it showing ? What are you speaking about ? I think you may have had a bad sleep at night...

"The preservation of the Serb identity"

?? How about you preserve the Albanian identity in Serbia? Maybe we should copy our neighbor and put a base right next to the church, eh?

its time for the serbian military to move in and protect the Serbs and the churches and monasteries because albanians only attack when its 100 on 1 so if the Serbians are present they wont dare touch nobody are nothing.

If these are indeed holy sites, God's sites, and God is omnipotent then why do they need to be protected? That leaves us with 2 possibilities.

1. These are not really holy sites and God does not care the least about them.

2. These are indeed holy sites but God is not omnipotent and cannot defend them from a stronger force. Hence humans with machine guns are needed to defend against the stronger forces that God cannot defend.

So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things.
(johny, 2 January 2011 21:46)

I'd say it is (2) because when Mr. Gavrilovic (aka Irinej) declared few months ago that Kosovo's independence is a sin (i.e. a trasgression of the law of God), the latter could not do anything to punish those trasgressing such law !

"How about you preserve the Albanian identity in Serbia?"
(KOSO, 2 January 2011 18:26)

Wow. One of the few persons from Kosovo who say Kosovo is Serbia, eh ? ;-)

If these are indeed holy sites, God's sites, and God is omnipotent then why do they need to be protected? That leaves us with 2 possibilities.

1. These are not really holy sites and God does not care the least about them.

2. These are indeed holy sites but God is not omnipotent and cannot defend them from a stronger force. Hence humans with machine guns are needed to defend against the stronger forces that God cannot defend.

So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things.

its time for the serbian military to move in and protect the Serbs and the churches and monasteries because albanians only attack when its 100 on 1 so if the Serbians are present they wont dare touch nobody are nothing.
(gajo, 2 January 2011 18:56)
Welcome back to 1990 the mentality that started this whole mess! You've come a longgg way, baby

hey top you know that I was talking about Albanians in what I call EAST KOSOVA (Presheva Valley, Medvegje, Bujanoc) and in Belgrade.

But in another topic...today the Kosovo Army announced it's increasing in size to match the current security needs. Where KFOR is slacking, the Kosovo Army and American soldiers will fill the void.

THANKS
KOSO

I guess its no surprise that this cult of death would describe the instability..that they are teh primary cause of, as "permanent"... it seems serb religious leadership have no intention of ever preaching and living in peace in the country in wich they live.

You are a religious organization or a political organization... you cannot be both.

the question is how long will people allow this cult to HIDE BEHIND the pretense of religion, and treat them as the extremist political organization they have ALWAYS been.

Wow. One of the few persons from Kosovo who say Kosovo is Serbia, eh ? ;-)
(Top, 2 January 2011 20:00)

What koso said and interpretation is worlds apart.

And what do you suggest the Serbs do? Leave it to you to destroy everything Serbian in Kosovo?
You would like that, wouldn't you?

If defending your religion and people is barbaric then what do you call your attacks on them?
(Peggy, 3 January 2011 00:17)
Your answer and gajos comments and mine do not match at all.
Basically me or my people have never attacked religious sites. But considering there is very little separation of church and state in Serbia, I can see where any enemies of Serbia do not distinguish between the 2.
You do not see attacks on Serbian religious sites as simply an attack on religion you see it as an attack on Serbs. If you cannot distinguish between the 2 how do expect those who you have made into enemies to.

yes there is 3 and it is god is watching and when its judgement day you will be judged that's why we are on earth he is not here to stop anything but he is watching everything and everyone so you albanians keep doing what your doing and you will See punishment from the heavens (tommy, 3 January 2011)

Albanians by and large don't believe in God. Feel free to continue believing in your fairy tales though.

its time for the serbian military to move in and protect the Serbs and the churches and monasteries because albanians only attack when its 100 on 1 so if the Serbians are present they wont dare touch nobody are nothing.
(gajo, 2 January 2011 18:56)
Welcome back to 1990 the mentality that started this whole mess! You've come a longgg way, baby
(pss, 2 January 2011 22:42)
=======================

And what do you suggest the Serbs do? Leave it to you to destroy everything Serbian in Kosovo?
You would like that, wouldn't you?

If defending your religion and people is barbaric then what do you call your attacks on them?

If these are indeed holy sites, God's sites, and God is omnipotent then why do they need to be protected? That leaves us with 2 possibilities.

1. These are not really holy sites and God does not care the least about them.

2. These are indeed holy sites but God is not omnipotent and cannot defend them from a stronger force. Hence humans with machine guns are needed to defend against the stronger forces that God cannot defend.

So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things.
(johny, 2 January 2011 21:46)

yes there is 3 and it is god is watching and when its judgement day you will be judged that's why we are on earth he is not here to stop anything but he is watching everything and everyone so you albanians keep doing what your doing and you will See punishment from the heavens but oh i forgot you are Islamics you believe if you destroy holy sites and 100 of you kill 1 person then you will go to heaven.

I'd say it is (2) because when Mr. Gavrilovic (aka Irinej) declared few months ago that Kosovo's independence is a sin (i.e. a trasgression of the law of God), the latter could not do anything to punish those trasgressing such law !
(icj1, 2 January 2011 23:13)
=======================
Be careful. Your intense hatred is showing.

Of course it's (2), the churches and monasteries have been built by humans, and they can be destroyed by humans (some human mob), too.
It doesn't change the fact that they are holy sites.

see the difference is that no one has to protect albanians in central Serbia because it is a civilized nation.On the other hand look what happens to Serbian civilians in kosmet.That is the difference between our people.God bless Kosmet
(Dragoslav, 3 January 2011 16:50)

Ye, all old Yugo federal entities know how civilised Serbs are! What a joke.

If the vatican can have a pretend state, and if Kosovo can be a pretend state, then why not have the monasteries as pretend states?

Declare these sites to be independent nations in their own right under international protection.

''see the difference is that no one has to protect albanians in central Serbia because it is a civilized nation.On the other hand look what happens to Serbian civilians in kosmet.That is the difference between our people.God bless Kosmet
(Dragoslav, 3 January 2011 16:50) ''

That's not true, Serbia has built new military bases close to Albanian cities in presevo valley...braking so the kumanovo agreement...

"Crude and rude comment."

-- Subjective. What is crude and rude to you; might be true and tested to others.

"Seems clear to me that when we humans use our free will we can believe or not believe."

-- Sure but believing in holy sites certainly does not equal their existence. You're free to believe that just as I'm free to point out that that's ridiculous. Pretty simple.

"We can use our free will for negative or positive purposes. "

-- This is also subjective. Some might see the claim of a place called holy by certain humans as a figment of imagination versus truth, and not positive versus negative.

"We can build or destory and we can be polite and civilized."

-- Religion does not equal being civilized. Most often than not it has equaled the opposite. Its the most polite way I could say this.

"Then there are those who chose to be rude and crude."

-- Again, subjective. There are those who don't by in religious dogma. Some might see that as differentiating between truth and myths.

If God made this earth; then isn't all of earth holy because it is his creation? If that is the case than what is the need for places that are holier than holy?

"You don't have to believe in God to receive your punishment from him. "

-- Fear mongering and scare tactics; that is how religion survives. Do as the church/mosque says or you'll get eternal damnation. For a moment we forget that very early in the day Abrahamic religions had no notions of hell and heaven; no eternal punishment or reward. Religions are the most non-sensical things out there.

"I never said to do as the church tells you to do in order to escape punishment. "

-- This is weak peggy. Simply because punishment by God is exactly a religious argument; and an argument religion (church and mosques) base their existence on. Example: there are churches out there that maintain that using a condom is a sin and sins lead to hell. Hence if one does not follow the church's directive you cannot escape the punishment of your sin.You are punished to eternal damnation (for repeatedly using condoms).

"I think people are clever enough to know right from wrong and being spiritual doesn't mean being religious."

-- Not necessarily. There are those who would say that believing in the existence of holly sites is wrong and those who would say its right. Now when you say "people"; who do you have exactly in mind; those who say it's wrong or those who say it's right? So you see when you say "people" you are unable to define them as a single group. When you say "people" by definition you are talking about an amorphous mass; one that cannot be all lumped together.
Also being spiritual doesn't necessarily mean or equal believing that a God is out there to punish you on every indiscretion. Believing in a God that punishes every indiscretion is the hallmark of a religious person not necessarily of a spiritual one.


P.S To answer the Serb dude. As an Albanian-American born and raised in the USA; so far I didn't know I was a commie by definition because of my Albanian roots. See, it takes a Serb to figure stuff like this out; and all by himself with help whatsoever. Now to answer your question; Being non-religious equals not buying into religious dogma. Just that; and exactly just that.

Albanians by and large don't believe in God. Feel free to continue believing in your fairy tales though.
(Zoti, 3 January 2011 18:14)
=========================

You don't have to believe in God to receive your punishment from him.
You can continue to worship the snake but he's going down and will take you all with him if you don't jump off that ship now.

johny said, "So what is it? Either way someone has to stop acting. Either get out of that beard and that weird hat and find an actual profession; or stop acting that there are holy things."

Crude and rude comment.

Seems clear to me that when we humans use our free will we can believe or not believe.

We can use our free will for negative or positive purposes.

We can build or destory and we can be polite and civilized.

Then there are those who chose to be rude and crude.

Basically me or my people have never attacked religious sites. But considering there is very little separation of church and state in Serbia, I can see where any enemies of Serbia do not distinguish between the 2.
You do not see attacks on Serbian religious sites as simply an attack on religion you see it as an attack on Serbs. If you cannot distinguish between the 2 how do expect those who you have made into enemies to.
(pss, 3 January 2011 14:27)
---------------------

You really are clueless and you say I don't make any sense.

Attacks on Serbian churches, monasteries or clergy ARE attacks on Serbs all over.

How about you preserve the Albanian identity in Serbia? Maybe we should copy our neighbor and put a base right next to the church, eh?
(KOSO, 2 January 2011 18:26)
see the difference is that no one has to protect albanians in central Serbia because it is a civilized nation.On the other hand look what happens to Serbian civilians in kosmet.That is the difference between our people.God bless Kosmet

Fear mongering and scare tactics; that is how religion survives. Do as the church/mosque says or you'll get eternal damnation. For a moment we forget that very early in the day Abrahamic religions had no notions of hell and heaven; no eternal punishment or reward. Religions are the most non-sensical things out there.
(johny, 4 January 2011 00:01) First of Serb readers have to understand that most albos are communist therefore atheist.Now to your point,does not beieving in God give people the right to destroy monsteries and churches?God bless Kosmet.

- Fear mongering and scare tactics; that is how religion survives. Do as the church/mosque says or you'll get eternal damnation.
=======================

I never said to do as the church tells you to do in order to escape punishment.
I think people are clever enough to know right from wrong and being spiritual doesn't mean being religious.

It is your own interpretation here that lets you down.

Also being spiritual doesn't necessarily mean or equal believing that a God is out there to punish you on every indiscretion. Believing in a God that punishes every indiscretion is the hallmark of a religious person not necessarily of a spiritual one.
========================

You obviously have no idea what the difference between being spiritual to being religious is.

Trying so hard to discredit what I wrote and making yourself look silly in the process is exactly what you do best.
What's this "what people" rubbish you write?
What people? Anyone. No specific group. Individuals if that's what you want to hear.

Stop trying to look clever. It only does the opposite for you.

I'd say it is (2) because when Mr. Gavrilovic (aka Irinej) declared few months ago that Kosovo's independence is a sin (i.e. a trasgression of the law of God), the latter could not do anything to punish those trasgressing such law !
(icj1, 2 January 2011 23:13)
===…==
Be careful. Your intense hatred is showing.
(Peggy, 3 January 2011 00:15

be careful of what ? What hatred ? Where is it showing ? What are you speaking about ? I think you may have had a bad sleep at night...