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AKR leader: Economic autonomy for north

New Kosovo Alliance (AKR) leader Behgjet Pacolli said he would request the office of Kosovo president in return for entering the new government.

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dht

pre 13 godina

"AKR leader: Economic autonomy for north"

What he means is the North shall belong to "Kosova", but "Kosova" shall not bear any financial responsibility for the North.

No, thank you for such dishonest offer.

The North does not want to belong to "Kosova".

sj

pre 13 godina

(metrod, 31 December 2010 20:02)
Microsoft is not moving to Serbia, but Fiat has opened up a factory so has Panasonic so has Hyundai, several German companies – need I go on?
A recent edition of New York Times had an article about the impending Kosovo election. Towards the end it said the “Kosovo authorities had to offer the Serbs better economic prospects if they are to neutralize objections from that quarter and draw them away from the more radical elements”. I had could not stop laughing. I could not believe how out of touch the Americans were with the outside world. Where is the money coming from????????????? Who is going to pay for it??????????? It’s just talk and pulling figures out of the air.
The west has been in Kosovo for 12 years. What investment have they brought to that region? Surely this is a simple question to ask? Is it 5% or 25% or 80%?
Happy to extract my size 12+ shoe size out of my mouth and apologize on this forum, once you show me I am wrong. So far there has only been deadly silence.

metrod

pre 13 godina

"Perhaps you might like to change Kosovo’s situation as easily as you have changed my words. Yes it ultra nationalist propaganda; particularly the bit about the tough economic times in the west. And yes Kosovo is utopia on earth. Happy now?? But that still does not put food on the table nor find employment for the masses.
What proof do you want? Are you that blind that you can’t see what’s happening around you? How much has the west investment in Kosovo???? I’m waiting for your reply!!!!! When did Microsoft open its factories up in Kosovo? Hmm??
Here is some advice, don’t open your mouth too often it only gives you more opportunity to put you size 12 shoe in it.
sj"

- No Albanian ever expected Microsoft or any major company to open a factory in Kosovo.

However, according to the latest reports Bill Gates has announced that he's moving his headquarters to Serbia. The newly appointed CEO is going to be V Seselj.
-----------------------------

"Yes the Albanians can go, but not Kosovo. After 12 years of nothing from the west you still think it’s paradise. You have been watching too many movies but the party is over and the money well has run dry. The EU is not going to spend one Euro on Kosovo except to keep you politicians on the payroll.
Enjoy rotting away boys!
sj"

- Kosovo was paradise when it was under Serbia. All peoples enjoyed equal rights. Millionaires were being made practically overnight. It was a tourist destination...really, envied even by the most powerful countries of the world.

All that changed when NATO stepped in.
Nato planes were killing Albanians and their freedom was taken away.


You mentioned something about a size 12 shoe. In your case that size is a bit too small.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"Statements like his reinforce my belief that PDK is the only party for Kosovo.
(KOSO, 31 December 2010 01:38) "

The PDK has done ok on spending grants and tariffs and so on - you can't argue with improving infrastructure and education, after all - but they don't seem to have any idea how to go about growing the economy. Pacolli not only has experience in founding and running a business, but has operated in different countries, under different systems, and could have some good ideas about what needs to be changed in order to get Kosovo moving.

What Kosovo needs is a growing economy. Even being a UN member is not as important. (Taiwan is doing ok without it.) Give somebody with some experience a chance to show people how it's done. Look at the comments to the article on Serbia trying to persuade the diaspora to invest - the government doesn't even see where the problems are. Is it that much different in Kosovo?

sj

pre 13 godina

I can agree to that. Kosovo goes with the west separate from Serbia, and Serbia goes whichever way the people choose(hopefully it will be the right one).
but I doubt that anyone (even Serbs) think Serbia is financially capable of rebuilding Kosovo, irregardless of whether you even want to or think you should or shouldn't.
(pss, 31 December 2010 11:48)
Yes the Albanians can go, but not Kosovo. After 12 years of nothing from the west you still think it’s paradise. You have been watching too many movies but the party is over and the money well has run dry. The EU is not going to spend one Euro on Kosovo except to keep you politicians on the payroll.
Enjoy rotting away boys!

pss

pre 13 godina

They wanted the west, they can keep them.
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)
I can agree to that. Kosovo goes with the west separate from Serbia, and Serbia goes whichever way the people choose(hopefully it will be the right one).
but I doubt that anyone (even Serbs) think Serbia is financially capable of rebuilding Kosovo, irregardless of whether you even want to or think you should or shouldn't.

johny

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?
(Mike, 30 December 2010 17:04)

Exactly. That's been my point for over a decade. Now go ask the same thing to Belgrade. Very, valid point as to why are they doing the same thing with Kosova.

sj

pre 13 godina

As for the rest of the stuff, it is just the ultra-nationalist leftover breath in you. No proof just bla bla and more blah


Keep your imagination up, it is certainly working wonders for the Serbs ;)
(Drownotherday, 30 December 2010 16:03)

Perhaps you might like to change Kosovo’s situation as easily as you have changed my words. Yes it ultra nationalist propaganda; particularly the bit about the tough economic times in the west. And yes Kosovo is utopia on earth. Happy now?? But that still does not put food on the table nor find employment for the masses.
What proof do you want? Are you that blind that you can’t see what’s happening around you? How much has the west investment in Kosovo???? I’m waiting for your reply!!!!! When did Microsoft open its factories up in Kosovo? Hmm??
Here is some advice, don’t open your mouth too often it only gives you more opportunity to put you size 12 shoe in it.

KOSO

pre 13 godina

Looks like the crack epidemic has hit B92 and wherever pacolli lives.

Statements like his reinforce my belief that PDK is the only party for Kosovo.

miri

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?
(Mike, 30 December 2010 17:04)

Kosova is already independent. Why on earth would they accept autonomy within a state which they don't want to be part of. Just imagine how bizarre would be if Jeremic would speak on behalf of kosovars as their foreign minister. It's almost funny.

winston

pre 13 godina

Picoli has zero say about what will happen in Northern KiM. He can concentrate on the southern Albanian populated areas, but good luck. He may be rich, but he will have ab impossible time wrestling power away from the mafia clan families that rule south KiM. Picoli may have more money than the Snake, but the snake has the bigger guns. A word of advice, Picoli, watch your back, and you may save all your organs.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?

Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

"But who pays for all of this grand vision? I know that Serbia is a ticking time bomb that the Russians have left to the EU.
(sj,"

There fixed for you :)

As for the rest of the stuff, it is just the ultra-nationalist leftover breath in you. No proof just bla bla and more blah


Keep your imagination up, it is certainly working wonders for the Serbs ;)

KU

pre 13 godina

This is the proposal of Pacolli. Let's be fancy and call it "functional partition" in exchange for recognition from Serbia. When one of the jez-s says "for albanian consumption", duuuh, of course, who should he talk to, australians or chinese maybe?

Je¿ (s.)o.s.mañski

pre 13 godina

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

But who pays for all of this grand vision?
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)

Ultimately we. I.e. EU-citizens and Americans. If the price is to pay for that ting or the useless EULEX + pathetic KFOR... the choice is clear.

Note:

1) Serbian recognition for normalization of situation is not even required. GDR and FRG did not recognized each other, both pursuing the same thing (i.e. Germany). However, they had certain agreements in place which normalized the situation.

2) Looks like NATO needs divided countries... as one was gone (see above) they created one - like kind of justifying their own existence.

Today it became just to expensive - I think that if there is a guarantee that regionally things will be at constructive level (precisely the way what B.P. mentions) NATO + EULEX + other useless parasites will leave if it makes EU/USA not lose face and save some money - both need it badly.

---

Now that the west has run out of money it wants Serbia to become friends and take on the burden. I say NO let the Albanians live in their paradise. They wanted the west, they can keep them.
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)

West wants it only if it keeps face saved: Serbs deliver Mladic, join EU, join NATO. The problem is I don't trust them. "Taking out the burden" - no one knows how. Let's give B.P. a chance, there is not much more. At last, as I said - he was willing to sacrifice some of his own wealth just for half of dozen of recognitions. As much as it is unpleasant and I am against these recognitions - we have to give him a credit. While other politicians steal, he sacrifices own money. True, that money is probably not 100% legal - but still I see it as an improvement.

----

You left out the major player of hope in the region, Mr. Jez. Here, take a look.

[link]
(Jeza Zhiva, 30 December 2010 13:56)

Yes, Chief Mullah Erdogan of Ankara Pashalik won't mind to have Ottoman Islamic Emirate. But at this point he stuck with frozen conflict around North Cyprus and Greece in general in the west, Kurds in south-east while practicing some unfriendly rhetoric with Armenians.
Apropos, Greece. If you ever crossed the border on the train at Uzunköprü-Pythion and observed the Turkish military structures - it's pure insanity, not even Soviet Union had such things so clearly visible on the border. They show paranoia of unbelievable degree.

sj

pre 13 godina

(Pejoni, 30 December 2010 11:40)
Millionaires are just that because they spend your money not theirs. This guy is in it for the bucks he can make and considering that he is in construction and Kosovo needs new infrastructure……do you see the picture now?.
If Kosovo is so attractive an investment opportunity why isn’t he there in a big way???? Money that’s the reason. He wants “someone else” to put money into Kosovo and he will reap the benefits.
What investment has the EU made in Kosovo? If the EU was that rich why have they neglected Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Checzs, Slovaks, Poles or the Baltic countries. These people have barely moved in the last 20 years.
You’re comparing Kosovo with the rest of Serbia!!!! Your people survive and I say survive because your Diaspora sends money back otherwise you would starve. It’s not the same in Serbia. Kosovo has NOTHING!!!!
Why does the Serbian dinar fluctuate and not the Croatian Kuna? It’s because the EU under rights the Kuna; that’s why. Look at Macedonia, its dinar is 1.70 Serbian dinars. What does Macedonia produce (given the unemployment is about 80%) that gives its currency such high status – it’s also propped up by the EU. Get it through your heads places like Croatia, Macedonia or Montenegro would COLLAPSE without EU help.
The Albanians want Serbia to recognize Kosovo then in the same breath try and bring back the old conditions which would see Serbia propping them up again. Well you know where they can go for my money and it’s not in heaven.

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

But who pays for all of this grand vision? I know that Kosovo is a ticking time bomb that the Americans have left to the EU. For 12 years they did nothing for the local infrastructure or economy – in 1999 you even had Albanians from Albania come to Kosovo thinking that the west was going to pave the streets with 24 carat gold brick. Now that the west has run out of money it wants Serbia to become friends and take on the burden. I say NO let the Albanians live in their paradise. They wanted the west, they can keep them.

Jeza Zhiva

pre 13 godina

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

You left out the major player of hope in the region, Mr. Jez. Here, take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfVz3jhj6IQ

Je¿ kosowski

pre 13 godina

Now who is going to pay for all of this creating two or three thousand jobs again????? Oh the fabulous EU money tree. If the EU/US did nothing in the past 12 years when things were financially better in the west, how are they going to pay for this fantasy? Mate BS is BS and it’s so easy to spot. Who is going to invest in Kosovo? NO ONE that’s who! What are these Albanian politicians on – drugs?
Now on this expectation to be recognized by Serbia; why we just leave things as it stands and let the Albanians rot on the vine. As Jamie Oliver says, easy pizzy.
(sj, 30 December 2010 10:33)

At first I would start with improving the infrastructure, roads, housing, etc. Alone restoring all burned Serbian homes in Prizren and putting things back where they should be - is enormous money. Don't forget, what is the speciality of B.P. and who was who renovated the Kremlin and who was who built Astana's government center in Kazakhstan.

At this point it's what Kosovo needs. If it's success - than things can turn somewhat unusual way. I can tell that MOST Albanians and Serbs are behind it. Remember: nearly half of Kosovo did not vote for a good reason. Whom you see here as self-appointed Giga-Albanians are just that.

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.

Top

pre 13 godina

Multiethnic or not, who should dare to invest in Kosovo, with an undefined status. With corruption comparable only to African standards, up to the highest level of government. In a 'democracy' with election fraud? With politicians who stick to their jobs, even when they are accused of crimes and/or EULEX is investigating against them?

There need to be a change from inside first, but, as we could see in the last elections, people in Kosovo seem to be satisfied with the status.

highduke

pre 13 godina

A fake state, a dead economy, leaders embroiled in organ-trafficking and this Pacolli still acts like his side has the credibility to give anybody autonomy. The Albanian elites must be high on drugs when they arent stealing Serb organs

Je¿ jugos³awsky

pre 13 godina

What we just read - could be well words of a future president of new Yugoslavia. Obviously the last sentence is for Albanian consumption. I give him about 20% chances to success with new YU. Of course he is who he is. But find anyone in YU who has better relationship with both RU and USA.

Pejoni

pre 13 godina

(sj, 30 December 2010 10:33)

If you would know anything about him you wouldnt critize him since has easy over 3000 employees, CeO of Mabetex and good for almost a billion euros. When he takes about job he aint joking. What investment from EU has Kosovo seen that Serbia didnt get in the same and mostly higher amounts. Truth be told we are in the same boat, we are depended from our diaspora. The reason why Serbian dinar is losing value now is lack of exchange money as it is not the case in summer times.

sj

pre 13 godina

Now who is going to pay for all of this creating two or three thousand jobs again????? Oh the fabulous EU money tree. If the EU/US did nothing in the past 12 years when things were financially better in the west, how are they going to pay for this fantasy? Mate BS is BS and it’s so easy to spot. Who is going to invest in Kosovo? NO ONE that’s who! What are these Albanian politicians on – drugs?
Now on this expectation to be recognized by Serbia; why we just leave things as it stands and let the Albanians rot on the vine. As Jamie Oliver says, easy pizzy.

highduke

pre 13 godina

A fake state, a dead economy, leaders embroiled in organ-trafficking and this Pacolli still acts like his side has the credibility to give anybody autonomy. The Albanian elites must be high on drugs when they arent stealing Serb organs

sj

pre 13 godina

Now who is going to pay for all of this creating two or three thousand jobs again????? Oh the fabulous EU money tree. If the EU/US did nothing in the past 12 years when things were financially better in the west, how are they going to pay for this fantasy? Mate BS is BS and it’s so easy to spot. Who is going to invest in Kosovo? NO ONE that’s who! What are these Albanian politicians on – drugs?
Now on this expectation to be recognized by Serbia; why we just leave things as it stands and let the Albanians rot on the vine. As Jamie Oliver says, easy pizzy.

Pejoni

pre 13 godina

(sj, 30 December 2010 10:33)

If you would know anything about him you wouldnt critize him since has easy over 3000 employees, CeO of Mabetex and good for almost a billion euros. When he takes about job he aint joking. What investment from EU has Kosovo seen that Serbia didnt get in the same and mostly higher amounts. Truth be told we are in the same boat, we are depended from our diaspora. The reason why Serbian dinar is losing value now is lack of exchange money as it is not the case in summer times.

Top

pre 13 godina

Multiethnic or not, who should dare to invest in Kosovo, with an undefined status. With corruption comparable only to African standards, up to the highest level of government. In a 'democracy' with election fraud? With politicians who stick to their jobs, even when they are accused of crimes and/or EULEX is investigating against them?

There need to be a change from inside first, but, as we could see in the last elections, people in Kosovo seem to be satisfied with the status.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?

Je¿ kosowski

pre 13 godina

Now who is going to pay for all of this creating two or three thousand jobs again????? Oh the fabulous EU money tree. If the EU/US did nothing in the past 12 years when things were financially better in the west, how are they going to pay for this fantasy? Mate BS is BS and it’s so easy to spot. Who is going to invest in Kosovo? NO ONE that’s who! What are these Albanian politicians on – drugs?
Now on this expectation to be recognized by Serbia; why we just leave things as it stands and let the Albanians rot on the vine. As Jamie Oliver says, easy pizzy.
(sj, 30 December 2010 10:33)

At first I would start with improving the infrastructure, roads, housing, etc. Alone restoring all burned Serbian homes in Prizren and putting things back where they should be - is enormous money. Don't forget, what is the speciality of B.P. and who was who renovated the Kremlin and who was who built Astana's government center in Kazakhstan.

At this point it's what Kosovo needs. If it's success - than things can turn somewhat unusual way. I can tell that MOST Albanians and Serbs are behind it. Remember: nearly half of Kosovo did not vote for a good reason. Whom you see here as self-appointed Giga-Albanians are just that.

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.

sj

pre 13 godina

(Pejoni, 30 December 2010 11:40)
Millionaires are just that because they spend your money not theirs. This guy is in it for the bucks he can make and considering that he is in construction and Kosovo needs new infrastructure……do you see the picture now?.
If Kosovo is so attractive an investment opportunity why isn’t he there in a big way???? Money that’s the reason. He wants “someone else” to put money into Kosovo and he will reap the benefits.
What investment has the EU made in Kosovo? If the EU was that rich why have they neglected Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Checzs, Slovaks, Poles or the Baltic countries. These people have barely moved in the last 20 years.
You’re comparing Kosovo with the rest of Serbia!!!! Your people survive and I say survive because your Diaspora sends money back otherwise you would starve. It’s not the same in Serbia. Kosovo has NOTHING!!!!
Why does the Serbian dinar fluctuate and not the Croatian Kuna? It’s because the EU under rights the Kuna; that’s why. Look at Macedonia, its dinar is 1.70 Serbian dinars. What does Macedonia produce (given the unemployment is about 80%) that gives its currency such high status – it’s also propped up by the EU. Get it through your heads places like Croatia, Macedonia or Montenegro would COLLAPSE without EU help.
The Albanians want Serbia to recognize Kosovo then in the same breath try and bring back the old conditions which would see Serbia propping them up again. Well you know where they can go for my money and it’s not in heaven.

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

But who pays for all of this grand vision? I know that Kosovo is a ticking time bomb that the Americans have left to the EU. For 12 years they did nothing for the local infrastructure or economy – in 1999 you even had Albanians from Albania come to Kosovo thinking that the west was going to pave the streets with 24 carat gold brick. Now that the west has run out of money it wants Serbia to become friends and take on the burden. I say NO let the Albanians live in their paradise. They wanted the west, they can keep them.

Je¿ (s.)o.s.mañski

pre 13 godina

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

But who pays for all of this grand vision?
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)

Ultimately we. I.e. EU-citizens and Americans. If the price is to pay for that ting or the useless EULEX + pathetic KFOR... the choice is clear.

Note:

1) Serbian recognition for normalization of situation is not even required. GDR and FRG did not recognized each other, both pursuing the same thing (i.e. Germany). However, they had certain agreements in place which normalized the situation.

2) Looks like NATO needs divided countries... as one was gone (see above) they created one - like kind of justifying their own existence.

Today it became just to expensive - I think that if there is a guarantee that regionally things will be at constructive level (precisely the way what B.P. mentions) NATO + EULEX + other useless parasites will leave if it makes EU/USA not lose face and save some money - both need it badly.

---

Now that the west has run out of money it wants Serbia to become friends and take on the burden. I say NO let the Albanians live in their paradise. They wanted the west, they can keep them.
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)

West wants it only if it keeps face saved: Serbs deliver Mladic, join EU, join NATO. The problem is I don't trust them. "Taking out the burden" - no one knows how. Let's give B.P. a chance, there is not much more. At last, as I said - he was willing to sacrifice some of his own wealth just for half of dozen of recognitions. As much as it is unpleasant and I am against these recognitions - we have to give him a credit. While other politicians steal, he sacrifices own money. True, that money is probably not 100% legal - but still I see it as an improvement.

----

You left out the major player of hope in the region, Mr. Jez. Here, take a look.

[link]
(Jeza Zhiva, 30 December 2010 13:56)

Yes, Chief Mullah Erdogan of Ankara Pashalik won't mind to have Ottoman Islamic Emirate. But at this point he stuck with frozen conflict around North Cyprus and Greece in general in the west, Kurds in south-east while practicing some unfriendly rhetoric with Armenians.
Apropos, Greece. If you ever crossed the border on the train at Uzunköprü-Pythion and observed the Turkish military structures - it's pure insanity, not even Soviet Union had such things so clearly visible on the border. They show paranoia of unbelievable degree.

winston

pre 13 godina

Picoli has zero say about what will happen in Northern KiM. He can concentrate on the southern Albanian populated areas, but good luck. He may be rich, but he will have ab impossible time wrestling power away from the mafia clan families that rule south KiM. Picoli may have more money than the Snake, but the snake has the bigger guns. A word of advice, Picoli, watch your back, and you may save all your organs.

Je¿ jugos³awsky

pre 13 godina

What we just read - could be well words of a future president of new Yugoslavia. Obviously the last sentence is for Albanian consumption. I give him about 20% chances to success with new YU. Of course he is who he is. But find anyone in YU who has better relationship with both RU and USA.

Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

"But who pays for all of this grand vision? I know that Serbia is a ticking time bomb that the Russians have left to the EU.
(sj,"

There fixed for you :)

As for the rest of the stuff, it is just the ultra-nationalist leftover breath in you. No proof just bla bla and more blah


Keep your imagination up, it is certainly working wonders for the Serbs ;)

KU

pre 13 godina

This is the proposal of Pacolli. Let's be fancy and call it "functional partition" in exchange for recognition from Serbia. When one of the jez-s says "for albanian consumption", duuuh, of course, who should he talk to, australians or chinese maybe?

Jeza Zhiva

pre 13 godina

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

You left out the major player of hope in the region, Mr. Jez. Here, take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfVz3jhj6IQ

dht

pre 13 godina

"AKR leader: Economic autonomy for north"

What he means is the North shall belong to "Kosova", but "Kosova" shall not bear any financial responsibility for the North.

No, thank you for such dishonest offer.

The North does not want to belong to "Kosova".

miri

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?
(Mike, 30 December 2010 17:04)

Kosova is already independent. Why on earth would they accept autonomy within a state which they don't want to be part of. Just imagine how bizarre would be if Jeremic would speak on behalf of kosovars as their foreign minister. It's almost funny.

johny

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?
(Mike, 30 December 2010 17:04)

Exactly. That's been my point for over a decade. Now go ask the same thing to Belgrade. Very, valid point as to why are they doing the same thing with Kosova.

pss

pre 13 godina

They wanted the west, they can keep them.
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)
I can agree to that. Kosovo goes with the west separate from Serbia, and Serbia goes whichever way the people choose(hopefully it will be the right one).
but I doubt that anyone (even Serbs) think Serbia is financially capable of rebuilding Kosovo, irregardless of whether you even want to or think you should or shouldn't.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"Statements like his reinforce my belief that PDK is the only party for Kosovo.
(KOSO, 31 December 2010 01:38) "

The PDK has done ok on spending grants and tariffs and so on - you can't argue with improving infrastructure and education, after all - but they don't seem to have any idea how to go about growing the economy. Pacolli not only has experience in founding and running a business, but has operated in different countries, under different systems, and could have some good ideas about what needs to be changed in order to get Kosovo moving.

What Kosovo needs is a growing economy. Even being a UN member is not as important. (Taiwan is doing ok without it.) Give somebody with some experience a chance to show people how it's done. Look at the comments to the article on Serbia trying to persuade the diaspora to invest - the government doesn't even see where the problems are. Is it that much different in Kosovo?

metrod

pre 13 godina

"Perhaps you might like to change Kosovo’s situation as easily as you have changed my words. Yes it ultra nationalist propaganda; particularly the bit about the tough economic times in the west. And yes Kosovo is utopia on earth. Happy now?? But that still does not put food on the table nor find employment for the masses.
What proof do you want? Are you that blind that you can’t see what’s happening around you? How much has the west investment in Kosovo???? I’m waiting for your reply!!!!! When did Microsoft open its factories up in Kosovo? Hmm??
Here is some advice, don’t open your mouth too often it only gives you more opportunity to put you size 12 shoe in it.
sj"

- No Albanian ever expected Microsoft or any major company to open a factory in Kosovo.

However, according to the latest reports Bill Gates has announced that he's moving his headquarters to Serbia. The newly appointed CEO is going to be V Seselj.
-----------------------------

"Yes the Albanians can go, but not Kosovo. After 12 years of nothing from the west you still think it’s paradise. You have been watching too many movies but the party is over and the money well has run dry. The EU is not going to spend one Euro on Kosovo except to keep you politicians on the payroll.
Enjoy rotting away boys!
sj"

- Kosovo was paradise when it was under Serbia. All peoples enjoyed equal rights. Millionaires were being made practically overnight. It was a tourist destination...really, envied even by the most powerful countries of the world.

All that changed when NATO stepped in.
Nato planes were killing Albanians and their freedom was taken away.


You mentioned something about a size 12 shoe. In your case that size is a bit too small.

sj

pre 13 godina

(metrod, 31 December 2010 20:02)
Microsoft is not moving to Serbia, but Fiat has opened up a factory so has Panasonic so has Hyundai, several German companies – need I go on?
A recent edition of New York Times had an article about the impending Kosovo election. Towards the end it said the “Kosovo authorities had to offer the Serbs better economic prospects if they are to neutralize objections from that quarter and draw them away from the more radical elements”. I had could not stop laughing. I could not believe how out of touch the Americans were with the outside world. Where is the money coming from????????????? Who is going to pay for it??????????? It’s just talk and pulling figures out of the air.
The west has been in Kosovo for 12 years. What investment have they brought to that region? Surely this is a simple question to ask? Is it 5% or 25% or 80%?
Happy to extract my size 12+ shoe size out of my mouth and apologize on this forum, once you show me I am wrong. So far there has only been deadly silence.

KOSO

pre 13 godina

Looks like the crack epidemic has hit B92 and wherever pacolli lives.

Statements like his reinforce my belief that PDK is the only party for Kosovo.

sj

pre 13 godina

I can agree to that. Kosovo goes with the west separate from Serbia, and Serbia goes whichever way the people choose(hopefully it will be the right one).
but I doubt that anyone (even Serbs) think Serbia is financially capable of rebuilding Kosovo, irregardless of whether you even want to or think you should or shouldn't.
(pss, 31 December 2010 11:48)
Yes the Albanians can go, but not Kosovo. After 12 years of nothing from the west you still think it’s paradise. You have been watching too many movies but the party is over and the money well has run dry. The EU is not going to spend one Euro on Kosovo except to keep you politicians on the payroll.
Enjoy rotting away boys!

sj

pre 13 godina

As for the rest of the stuff, it is just the ultra-nationalist leftover breath in you. No proof just bla bla and more blah


Keep your imagination up, it is certainly working wonders for the Serbs ;)
(Drownotherday, 30 December 2010 16:03)

Perhaps you might like to change Kosovo’s situation as easily as you have changed my words. Yes it ultra nationalist propaganda; particularly the bit about the tough economic times in the west. And yes Kosovo is utopia on earth. Happy now?? But that still does not put food on the table nor find employment for the masses.
What proof do you want? Are you that blind that you can’t see what’s happening around you? How much has the west investment in Kosovo???? I’m waiting for your reply!!!!! When did Microsoft open its factories up in Kosovo? Hmm??
Here is some advice, don’t open your mouth too often it only gives you more opportunity to put you size 12 shoe in it.

sj

pre 13 godina

Now who is going to pay for all of this creating two or three thousand jobs again????? Oh the fabulous EU money tree. If the EU/US did nothing in the past 12 years when things were financially better in the west, how are they going to pay for this fantasy? Mate BS is BS and it’s so easy to spot. Who is going to invest in Kosovo? NO ONE that’s who! What are these Albanian politicians on – drugs?
Now on this expectation to be recognized by Serbia; why we just leave things as it stands and let the Albanians rot on the vine. As Jamie Oliver says, easy pizzy.

highduke

pre 13 godina

A fake state, a dead economy, leaders embroiled in organ-trafficking and this Pacolli still acts like his side has the credibility to give anybody autonomy. The Albanian elites must be high on drugs when they arent stealing Serb organs

Top

pre 13 godina

Multiethnic or not, who should dare to invest in Kosovo, with an undefined status. With corruption comparable only to African standards, up to the highest level of government. In a 'democracy' with election fraud? With politicians who stick to their jobs, even when they are accused of crimes and/or EULEX is investigating against them?

There need to be a change from inside first, but, as we could see in the last elections, people in Kosovo seem to be satisfied with the status.

Pejoni

pre 13 godina

(sj, 30 December 2010 10:33)

If you would know anything about him you wouldnt critize him since has easy over 3000 employees, CeO of Mabetex and good for almost a billion euros. When he takes about job he aint joking. What investment from EU has Kosovo seen that Serbia didnt get in the same and mostly higher amounts. Truth be told we are in the same boat, we are depended from our diaspora. The reason why Serbian dinar is losing value now is lack of exchange money as it is not the case in summer times.

sj

pre 13 godina

(Pejoni, 30 December 2010 11:40)
Millionaires are just that because they spend your money not theirs. This guy is in it for the bucks he can make and considering that he is in construction and Kosovo needs new infrastructure……do you see the picture now?.
If Kosovo is so attractive an investment opportunity why isn’t he there in a big way???? Money that’s the reason. He wants “someone else” to put money into Kosovo and he will reap the benefits.
What investment has the EU made in Kosovo? If the EU was that rich why have they neglected Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Checzs, Slovaks, Poles or the Baltic countries. These people have barely moved in the last 20 years.
You’re comparing Kosovo with the rest of Serbia!!!! Your people survive and I say survive because your Diaspora sends money back otherwise you would starve. It’s not the same in Serbia. Kosovo has NOTHING!!!!
Why does the Serbian dinar fluctuate and not the Croatian Kuna? It’s because the EU under rights the Kuna; that’s why. Look at Macedonia, its dinar is 1.70 Serbian dinars. What does Macedonia produce (given the unemployment is about 80%) that gives its currency such high status – it’s also propped up by the EU. Get it through your heads places like Croatia, Macedonia or Montenegro would COLLAPSE without EU help.
The Albanians want Serbia to recognize Kosovo then in the same breath try and bring back the old conditions which would see Serbia propping them up again. Well you know where they can go for my money and it’s not in heaven.

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

But who pays for all of this grand vision? I know that Kosovo is a ticking time bomb that the Americans have left to the EU. For 12 years they did nothing for the local infrastructure or economy – in 1999 you even had Albanians from Albania come to Kosovo thinking that the west was going to pave the streets with 24 carat gold brick. Now that the west has run out of money it wants Serbia to become friends and take on the burden. I say NO let the Albanians live in their paradise. They wanted the west, they can keep them.

Je¿ jugos³awsky

pre 13 godina

What we just read - could be well words of a future president of new Yugoslavia. Obviously the last sentence is for Albanian consumption. I give him about 20% chances to success with new YU. Of course he is who he is. But find anyone in YU who has better relationship with both RU and USA.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?

Je¿ kosowski

pre 13 godina

Now who is going to pay for all of this creating two or three thousand jobs again????? Oh the fabulous EU money tree. If the EU/US did nothing in the past 12 years when things were financially better in the west, how are they going to pay for this fantasy? Mate BS is BS and it’s so easy to spot. Who is going to invest in Kosovo? NO ONE that’s who! What are these Albanian politicians on – drugs?
Now on this expectation to be recognized by Serbia; why we just leave things as it stands and let the Albanians rot on the vine. As Jamie Oliver says, easy pizzy.
(sj, 30 December 2010 10:33)

At first I would start with improving the infrastructure, roads, housing, etc. Alone restoring all burned Serbian homes in Prizren and putting things back where they should be - is enormous money. Don't forget, what is the speciality of B.P. and who was who renovated the Kremlin and who was who built Astana's government center in Kazakhstan.

At this point it's what Kosovo needs. If it's success - than things can turn somewhat unusual way. I can tell that MOST Albanians and Serbs are behind it. Remember: nearly half of Kosovo did not vote for a good reason. Whom you see here as self-appointed Giga-Albanians are just that.

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.

winston

pre 13 godina

Picoli has zero say about what will happen in Northern KiM. He can concentrate on the southern Albanian populated areas, but good luck. He may be rich, but he will have ab impossible time wrestling power away from the mafia clan families that rule south KiM. Picoli may have more money than the Snake, but the snake has the bigger guns. A word of advice, Picoli, watch your back, and you may save all your organs.

Jeza Zhiva

pre 13 godina

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

You left out the major player of hope in the region, Mr. Jez. Here, take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfVz3jhj6IQ

Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

"But who pays for all of this grand vision? I know that Serbia is a ticking time bomb that the Russians have left to the EU.
(sj,"

There fixed for you :)

As for the rest of the stuff, it is just the ultra-nationalist leftover breath in you. No proof just bla bla and more blah


Keep your imagination up, it is certainly working wonders for the Serbs ;)

Je¿ (s.)o.s.mañski

pre 13 godina

I just want to be optimist because if not, there is absolutely no hope for the region - except Russian tanks and bayonets.
(Je¿ kosowski, 30 December 2010 12:04)

But who pays for all of this grand vision?
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)

Ultimately we. I.e. EU-citizens and Americans. If the price is to pay for that ting or the useless EULEX + pathetic KFOR... the choice is clear.

Note:

1) Serbian recognition for normalization of situation is not even required. GDR and FRG did not recognized each other, both pursuing the same thing (i.e. Germany). However, they had certain agreements in place which normalized the situation.

2) Looks like NATO needs divided countries... as one was gone (see above) they created one - like kind of justifying their own existence.

Today it became just to expensive - I think that if there is a guarantee that regionally things will be at constructive level (precisely the way what B.P. mentions) NATO + EULEX + other useless parasites will leave if it makes EU/USA not lose face and save some money - both need it badly.

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Now that the west has run out of money it wants Serbia to become friends and take on the burden. I say NO let the Albanians live in their paradise. They wanted the west, they can keep them.
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)

West wants it only if it keeps face saved: Serbs deliver Mladic, join EU, join NATO. The problem is I don't trust them. "Taking out the burden" - no one knows how. Let's give B.P. a chance, there is not much more. At last, as I said - he was willing to sacrifice some of his own wealth just for half of dozen of recognitions. As much as it is unpleasant and I am against these recognitions - we have to give him a credit. While other politicians steal, he sacrifices own money. True, that money is probably not 100% legal - but still I see it as an improvement.

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You left out the major player of hope in the region, Mr. Jez. Here, take a look.

[link]
(Jeza Zhiva, 30 December 2010 13:56)

Yes, Chief Mullah Erdogan of Ankara Pashalik won't mind to have Ottoman Islamic Emirate. But at this point he stuck with frozen conflict around North Cyprus and Greece in general in the west, Kurds in south-east while practicing some unfriendly rhetoric with Armenians.
Apropos, Greece. If you ever crossed the border on the train at Uzunköprü-Pythion and observed the Turkish military structures - it's pure insanity, not even Soviet Union had such things so clearly visible on the border. They show paranoia of unbelievable degree.

miri

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?
(Mike, 30 December 2010 17:04)

Kosova is already independent. Why on earth would they accept autonomy within a state which they don't want to be part of. Just imagine how bizarre would be if Jeremic would speak on behalf of kosovars as their foreign minister. It's almost funny.

sj

pre 13 godina

As for the rest of the stuff, it is just the ultra-nationalist leftover breath in you. No proof just bla bla and more blah


Keep your imagination up, it is certainly working wonders for the Serbs ;)
(Drownotherday, 30 December 2010 16:03)

Perhaps you might like to change Kosovo’s situation as easily as you have changed my words. Yes it ultra nationalist propaganda; particularly the bit about the tough economic times in the west. And yes Kosovo is utopia on earth. Happy now?? But that still does not put food on the table nor find employment for the masses.
What proof do you want? Are you that blind that you can’t see what’s happening around you? How much has the west investment in Kosovo???? I’m waiting for your reply!!!!! When did Microsoft open its factories up in Kosovo? Hmm??
Here is some advice, don’t open your mouth too often it only gives you more opportunity to put you size 12 shoe in it.

pss

pre 13 godina

They wanted the west, they can keep them.
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:51)
I can agree to that. Kosovo goes with the west separate from Serbia, and Serbia goes whichever way the people choose(hopefully it will be the right one).
but I doubt that anyone (even Serbs) think Serbia is financially capable of rebuilding Kosovo, irregardless of whether you even want to or think you should or shouldn't.

metrod

pre 13 godina

"Perhaps you might like to change Kosovo’s situation as easily as you have changed my words. Yes it ultra nationalist propaganda; particularly the bit about the tough economic times in the west. And yes Kosovo is utopia on earth. Happy now?? But that still does not put food on the table nor find employment for the masses.
What proof do you want? Are you that blind that you can’t see what’s happening around you? How much has the west investment in Kosovo???? I’m waiting for your reply!!!!! When did Microsoft open its factories up in Kosovo? Hmm??
Here is some advice, don’t open your mouth too often it only gives you more opportunity to put you size 12 shoe in it.
sj"

- No Albanian ever expected Microsoft or any major company to open a factory in Kosovo.

However, according to the latest reports Bill Gates has announced that he's moving his headquarters to Serbia. The newly appointed CEO is going to be V Seselj.
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"Yes the Albanians can go, but not Kosovo. After 12 years of nothing from the west you still think it’s paradise. You have been watching too many movies but the party is over and the money well has run dry. The EU is not going to spend one Euro on Kosovo except to keep you politicians on the payroll.
Enjoy rotting away boys!
sj"

- Kosovo was paradise when it was under Serbia. All peoples enjoyed equal rights. Millionaires were being made practically overnight. It was a tourist destination...really, envied even by the most powerful countries of the world.

All that changed when NATO stepped in.
Nato planes were killing Albanians and their freedom was taken away.


You mentioned something about a size 12 shoe. In your case that size is a bit too small.

KOSO

pre 13 godina

Looks like the crack epidemic has hit B92 and wherever pacolli lives.

Statements like his reinforce my belief that PDK is the only party for Kosovo.

sj

pre 13 godina

I can agree to that. Kosovo goes with the west separate from Serbia, and Serbia goes whichever way the people choose(hopefully it will be the right one).
but I doubt that anyone (even Serbs) think Serbia is financially capable of rebuilding Kosovo, irregardless of whether you even want to or think you should or shouldn't.
(pss, 31 December 2010 11:48)
Yes the Albanians can go, but not Kosovo. After 12 years of nothing from the west you still think it’s paradise. You have been watching too many movies but the party is over and the money well has run dry. The EU is not going to spend one Euro on Kosovo except to keep you politicians on the payroll.
Enjoy rotting away boys!

sj

pre 13 godina

(metrod, 31 December 2010 20:02)
Microsoft is not moving to Serbia, but Fiat has opened up a factory so has Panasonic so has Hyundai, several German companies – need I go on?
A recent edition of New York Times had an article about the impending Kosovo election. Towards the end it said the “Kosovo authorities had to offer the Serbs better economic prospects if they are to neutralize objections from that quarter and draw them away from the more radical elements”. I had could not stop laughing. I could not believe how out of touch the Americans were with the outside world. Where is the money coming from????????????? Who is going to pay for it??????????? It’s just talk and pulling figures out of the air.
The west has been in Kosovo for 12 years. What investment have they brought to that region? Surely this is a simple question to ask? Is it 5% or 25% or 80%?
Happy to extract my size 12+ shoe size out of my mouth and apologize on this forum, once you show me I am wrong. So far there has only been deadly silence.

dht

pre 13 godina

"AKR leader: Economic autonomy for north"

What he means is the North shall belong to "Kosova", but "Kosova" shall not bear any financial responsibility for the North.

No, thank you for such dishonest offer.

The North does not want to belong to "Kosova".

johny

pre 13 godina

Northern Kosovo already has economic autonomy from Pristna. Why offer them something they already have in exchange for entering into a failing state, which they don't want any part of?
(Mike, 30 December 2010 17:04)

Exactly. That's been my point for over a decade. Now go ask the same thing to Belgrade. Very, valid point as to why are they doing the same thing with Kosova.

KU

pre 13 godina

This is the proposal of Pacolli. Let's be fancy and call it "functional partition" in exchange for recognition from Serbia. When one of the jez-s says "for albanian consumption", duuuh, of course, who should he talk to, australians or chinese maybe?

Amer

pre 13 godina

"Statements like his reinforce my belief that PDK is the only party for Kosovo.
(KOSO, 31 December 2010 01:38) "

The PDK has done ok on spending grants and tariffs and so on - you can't argue with improving infrastructure and education, after all - but they don't seem to have any idea how to go about growing the economy. Pacolli not only has experience in founding and running a business, but has operated in different countries, under different systems, and could have some good ideas about what needs to be changed in order to get Kosovo moving.

What Kosovo needs is a growing economy. Even being a UN member is not as important. (Taiwan is doing ok without it.) Give somebody with some experience a chance to show people how it's done. Look at the comments to the article on Serbia trying to persuade the diaspora to invest - the government doesn't even see where the problems are. Is it that much different in Kosovo?