"Thaci threatening witnesses"

That's the way how justice works in Thaci Kingdom... ehh I mean the independent dream state of Kosovo. Come on, calls for witch hunts are good European and even religious traditions! Unfortunately, Thaci is only living 400 years too late ;-)

This is simply the Albanian way of conducting "an honest investigation"

Destroy any evidence, kill any and all witnesses, lynch them in the streets as a message to others who want to see justice served!

Just another day in the new terrorist paradise called Kosovo

That’s the way to go, Albanian justice. Just keep on threatening the witnesses and show the world your new democratic and rule of law credentials – but where is the US; it’s awfully quiet

Let me just repeat what Carla Del Ponte said. I quote:

"The former Hague Tribunal chief prosecutor added that the tribunal’s personnel had been very seriously threatened by the Albanian mafia and former KLA operatives when they attempted to conduct the investigation into organ trafficking accusations in 2004."

Check http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=22&nav_id=71679

Now our KiM Albanian posters here are sounding like a broken record and still in denial as always. You see, it's simple - allow an unhindered investigation to be conducted and everything will be clear. You're not afraid of the truth are you?

"So, its nothing to do with witness intimidation or cover of crimes, but simply cheap nasty political tricks to be expected of Thaci and directed for local consumption. "
(nikshala, 28 December 2010 12:05)

So you mean Thaci will simply put names of some persons he doesn't like on his great 'Marty's helpers list'? Okay, then it's not witnesses intimidation, just a cheap and obvious way of harassing political opponents. Which doesn't make it any better. And such a person want to become president. I can only repeat: The only ones who are damaging Kosovo are their 'professional' and 'honest' politicians! You don't need anyone else, no Marty, no 'anti-Albanian independence network'

"You're not afraid of the truth are you?
(Zoran, "

Haha, afraid from Serb sponsored accusations? Please sir, you must be new to the balkans.

Carla sound just like another Serb with countless excuses, all to cover her incompetence, but to her good luck there is a great niche market like yourself Zoran.

Even here with such a simple statement, the Albanians are trying to paint this as Serbian desperation. I wanted to give your people at least a tiny bit of credit but now all of your validity as an intelligent people has been lost. Let me make this absolutely clear. In civilized countries, people don't share the evidence with everyone. They go to court and in the court, the prosecution discloses the evidence. Then a jury of sorts (in the US it's a jury of one's peers) decides upon the verdict. One thing that is for sure is that witnesses are protected. This is not about Thaci disclosing authors of a farce. It's about witnesses in a possible criminal proceeding. If Thaci is not guilty, after the trial he can make fun of the "authors" all he wants to. If however, he is guilty, he can laugh about them behind bars. It's that simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.

I actually find it quite unbelieveable that so many years after Milosevic, the serbian prosecution can stoop so low to be making daily accusations without evidence and any sense of political and moral responsibility.

As a politician, i really really dislike Thaqi and can't wait to see the back of him but his statement had nothing to do with intimidating witmess or calling for some kind of lynching! In his naive he thought it would benefit him if he uses this report to score some political points against opposition politicians. The two names that he will likely mention is Florin Krasniqi (Vetevendosje) and Veton Surroi's club of foreign politics!

So, its nothing to do with witness intimidation or cover of crimes, but simply cheap nasty political tricks to be expected of Thaci and directed for local consumption.

If he really wanted to intimidate a wintess to any crime, he wouldn't do it on TV!!! Even Thaqi is not that dumb.

The situation is much more complex
but the report will suffice to fuel the anti-albanian prejudice of commentators below.

Why isn't Bruno Vekaric telling us where Ratko Mladic and Goran Hadzic are?

"Deputy prosecutor: Thaci threatening witnesses"

A FEW DAYS AGO, I said, in one of the following threads that, Serbian factory of lies/propaganda is in FULL steam, and EXPECT ANYTHING.

Here we go. You hear VARIOUS RUBBISH, not only about THACI but EVEN for BERISHA. BUT unfortunately OR fortunately, in today's world (unlike in 1878 and 1912)ONLY things PROVEN count.

Serbia, is still in 19th and early 20th century, with its mentality. We know pretty well how Serbs in the past successfully managed to lie the world that Albanians are killers, and... look what happen...ALBANIA is the ONLY COUNTRY in WORLD THAT BORDERS ONLY ITS NEIGHBOURS.

Now the World has sensed that injustices done in the past and returned to rightful owners (the Albanians)...and trust me ...this is just the beginning.

Now we are witnessing the disintegration of Serbia from every angle. This is NOT by chance....

Sanjak, Vojvodina and Presoevo Valley are just inches away from formal disintegration from Serbia. Mark my word.

tch tch tch... dick marty has No new Evidence whatsover, will not be handing over anything to any legal body...

how then is it possible to threaten "witnessess"... when there was nothing to witness?

that dick marty is operator on pure fiction, why is serbia afraid of the authors getting credit?

Dear mr Deputy War Crimes Prosecutor Bruno Vekarić,

If you have got the evidence provide them so we can bring these people before justice, however ...

if you have no evidence ... stop shouting from the roof tops & stop with indoctrinate the hatred into the Serb population.

Serbia has tried to give Albanians a negative image but without success.

Though, you have achieved one thing and that is you have closen the ranks between the Albanians only closer to each other.

The Eagle

"Deputy prosecutor: Thaci threatening witnesses"

If your witnesses are in the fiction section, or have all their organs and a ton of fresh cash, or even if they are from the group who already got caught fabricating organ stories for 100k euros, of course they will blush from their lies. Serbia is on a roll in that regard.

Little prosecutor wants to crucify Thaci with nails and a duct tape across his mouth. Obviously he is worried about his on job that cant justify his own work with old woman yapping tactics.

Evidence speak louder than words, if you brought forward the evidence, there is no way that that evidence will disappear. But listening to the usual imaginary "witnesses, evidence destruction" and what not, only makes Serbia weird. Remember All your international cases have been lost, are loosing, and will loose. That is not a coincidence. Just liars getting caught red handed, and thats not the first time too.

simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40

Daniel, it is unfortunately pointless to try to make them understand even basics of how our system works! When you have your head deep in the sand, this is what happend...
It is obviously appealing to read all these nationalist comments, justifying any sort of crimes. As you rightly pointed out, let the justice makes his way and then everybody will have the opportunity to laugh or cry...

Nikshala,

Yes, you may very well have it right about Thaci's attempt to better his position and to defeat his political rivals by announcing them as Dick Marty's "collaborators". But even if Thaci wouldn't be after other "collaborators" (although they certainly have got Thaci's message...) the issue that predrag mentioned here is valid: Is this the way of conducting "an honest investigation"? Is this the way to co-operate in the investigation?

And that takes us straight to a related issue. The Eagle wrote (most likely from the far part of the world, without a connection to Kosovo reality):

"Dear mr Deputy War Crimes Prosecutor Bruno Vekarić, [...] you have achieved one thing and that is you have closen the ranks between the Albanians only closer to each other."

Nikshala writes that "the situation is much more complex", and so it is. My personal channels of information point to the exactly opposite direction than what The Eagle dreams of, and so does also Thaci's aim to reveal "collaborators". Thaci, his past, his behaviour and methods continue tearing Albanian society in pieces, today even more than yesterday.

What I can't agree with nikshala is his demands of "sense of political and moral responsibility" from Serbia. Nikshala leaves open the actual meaning of his demand but anyway I'll ask: When and in which occasions did Kosovo engage itself in this kind of responsibility towards Serbia? The very similar issue is the Albanians' continued demand for evidences to back up accusations for KLA's and Thaci's crimes.

I very well remember the mountain of accusations coming from Albanians and NATO against Serbia, without any need for evidence, like in the case of April 19, 1999, when the U.S. State Department announced 500, 000 Kosovo Albanians feared dead, and in the case of May 16, when U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen stated that 100, 000 military-aged ethnic Albanian men were very possibly killed by the Serbs. Not a single KLA representative did rise against these accusations demanding evidence. They calmly took the benefit. Now their tone has changed when they must themselves bite the bitter cake. I'm sorry, but I feel no sorry for former KLA people.

We also must remember that evidence need not be presented to no-one else than to court. Before any court will make a decision about a case really existing or not, it wants to study the evidence. So in case of no evidence there will not be a court case. In the light of this all Albanians - who know that there's no evidence - can now light their cigars, relax and wait for the humiliation of Serbia.

Others may remain anxious about what's coming around.

Albanians threatening witnesses and everything else that comes in their way is nothing new. It's in their blood. Look at Albania and how primitive they still are. Much thanks to their bloodfeud behaviour. Hach is doing what gangsters do best, threatening everyone that questions their position and their interests. Hach has proven just in the last couple of days that he is nothing more then a simple cowardly crook.

There's NO difference between Thug & Politician to the Albanian Elites

Amer, is it normal for a head of state to reveal the names of witnesses to the entire international community? What's the point of that? Witnesses have to be protected so that they can testify confidently. When the accused goes out of his way to reveal those witnesses, he must be doing that for a reason. Also, what if he actually were to have no malicious intent whatsoever? Let's go with that for a second. Now, one person who is so devoted to Thaci and cannot bear to hear these accusations may act irrationally toward this witness now that he knows who the witness is. One cannot account for every possible contingency. Thus, it is best to leave witnesses be. Besides, if Thaci is completely innocent, then he will have the last laugh in the end. Revealing witness names only makes him look more like the thug he is accused of being.

As some posters have cheerfully pointed out, it doesn't matter whether Thaci is guilty of anything or not, the publicity will hurt him and Kosovo both, and that is enough.
(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)

RE: The Albanian trying to act like an American.


If you are so concerned about the tarnished reputation of a true war criminal Thaci, where were you when Slobodan Milosevic was arrested on absolutely no evidence and held at the Hague Tribunal with trumped up charges. To this day, none of the accusations have been proven, in fact, quite the opposite as Milosevic destroyed the prosecutors evidence and left the Hague Tribunal in shambles.


Thaci does not have the intellectual capacity, education and or courage do to the same. He is the lowest scum that exists on the earth who would sell his own mother's heart for a few trinkets of gold. The Albanian people instead of supporting this right wing national KLA terrorist organization should work with the internatoinal community and the Serbian government to get this thug out of office, the sooner, the better.

Since when? Prosecutors often name those whom they expect to call to present evidence.
(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)
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Unless their life is threatened. We all know what happens to witnesses that are prepared to testify against the mafia. The sooner we get a witness protections system working the better, as Marty recommended.

“It is a call for lynching and a threat to witnesses,” said the deputy prosecutor for war crimes.

-- How is Thaci's call any different from Serbia's and Dick? All of them seem to know who the guilty party is, yet they refuse to show any evidence. Week 3 and no evidence released. Still waiting.
For the Serbs here, acting like they are the moral compass of humanity; don't even attempt it. If you find nothing wrong with others accusing Thaci yet refusing to show any evidence at all; then really if you're these pure human beings you pretend to be, you should find nothing wrong with Thaci accusing others and refusing to show any evidence. Just quit your shenanigans. Just because you're able to fool your own selves it doesn't mean you can fool others. Quit it. You're simply too bad at your game.

"simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40"

Since when? Prosecutors often name those whom they expect to call to present evidence.

And while you're citing US law, the US has an institution known as the Grand Jury, where the prosecutor presents his evidence to a group of citizens who decide in secret whether he has reason to proceed with an actual trial (where there will be a Petit Jury of 12 to decide whether he's proved his case). It is members of the Grand Jury who are sworn to secrecy - not the witnesses called before it.

The existence of a Grand Jury makes it possible to consider whether there is evidence indicating the need for a trial without first trying the suspect in a possibly hostile press, as is being done here. As some posters have cheerfully pointed out, it doesn't matter whether Thaci is guilty of anything or not, the publicity will hurt him and Kosovo both, and that is enough.

@Johny, what is wrong with your comprehension?
Do you not understand English any more or are you that naive?

One question and please answer it.

Since when does the accused get to release a list of witnesses against him? If any name is to be released it is up to authorities to decide who and how not the accused.

Thaci is being very stupid here. He is hoping that someone will do the job for him and eliminated these people. That much is obvious as he does not have the right to point any witness out.

I am sure more witnesses would come forward if this was not the way they conducted business over there. These witnesses MUST be protected at all cost. After all, the cost to them could be great.

simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40

Daniel, it is unfortunately pointless to try to make them understand even basics of how our system works! When you have your head deep in the sand, this is what happend...
It is obviously appealing to read all these nationalist comments, justifying any sort of crimes. As you rightly pointed out, let the justice makes his way and then everybody will have the opportunity to laugh or cry...
(The Swiss, 28 December 2010 17:35)

-- The Swiss and Daniel it is obvious that you've never served a single day on a jury duty. As Amer pointed out, the existence of a Grand Jury allows for the determination of whether there is substantial evidence for a trial. So while you may be oblivious to the the existence of such institutions, the least you can do is to not maintain you're far more illuminated and far more superior intellectually than others; when its clear you're not. The justice system allows for a group of people to determine whether the evidence presented is substantial for the commencement of a trial. Now that we established this; where is the evidence so the justice system can determine whether it is substantial so a trial can finally start. Still waiting for the evidence.

"Since when? Prosecutors often name those whom they expect to call to present evidence.

And while you're citing US law, the US has an institution known as the Grand Jury, where the prosecutor presents his evidence to a group of citizens who decide in secret whether he has reason to proceed with an actual trial (where there will be a Petit Jury of 12 to decide whether he's proved his case). It is members of the Grand Jury who are sworn to secrecy - not the witnesses called before it.

The existence of a Grand Jury makes it possible to consider whether there is evidence indicating the need for a trial without first trying the suspect in a possibly hostile press, as is being done here. As some posters have cheerfully pointed out, it doesn't matter whether Thaci is guilty of anything or not, the publicity will hurt him and Kosovo both, and that is enough.
(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)"

Why are you so biased Amer? You know that it is wholly inappropriate especially when one of the core allegations is about witness intimidation.

It stinks and you know it.

Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever...now a right wing nationalist terrorist?
Who do you think you are to tell Albanian People whom to support ? Albanians never cared whom Serbs supported, they just wanted to out fo jugoslavian zombie...
(iliri, 29 December 2010 19:52)

Thaci a Leninist? Marxist? Who exactly is saying that? Enlighten me please.....I dont' think Thaci is capable of reading and comprhending Marx, Hegel, Voltaire, Kant or other philosophers.

I am a person who does not support a murderer, terrorist, thug and criminal.

Whether he is Arkan in Serbia;
Thaci in Kosovo;
Nasir Oric in Bosnia;
or Anthony Mcvey in the United States.

The Albanians were living much better in the so called Jugsolavia zhombie than the hole they are living in now.

You Cannot, because it does not contain any.

get it yet?
(AdamNYC, 30 December 2010 04:35)
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And yet he has the whole world talking about it and EC wanting to investigate.
Now how do you suppose he did this with the "same old rubbish"?

Sanjak, Vojvodina and Presoevo Valley are just inches away from formal disintegration from Serbia. Mark my word.
(PRN, 28 December 2010 14:56)

Yes, yes, I mark your words again but you hold breath until it happens. You no very good at telling fortunes. But I tell you something; the Russians no allow that to hepen ha, ha, ha! Enjoy a breathless new year.

(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)

The Grand Jury method of disclosure is a very poor system which has not been adopted by any other legal system on this planet. In fact this was initially used by the British and they abandoned it. You will find that the US legal system is unique with many of their procedures cumbersome and outdated.
As a matter of fact even supreme court judicial decisions are rarely taken on board by any nation outside the US, whereas you will find that the British system is far superior and much more consistent in its decisions. Ask your neighbors, the Canadians.

(johny, 28 December 2010 19:00)
…. Just quit your shenanigans…” Ouch, you are in pain. Why would we want to quit? The shoe is on the other foot and that’s how it’s going to stay. You Albos can dish it out but can’t take it – if you think this is painful wait and see 2011.
What’s happened? No help from the US? Hmm are they trying to stand at arm’s length from their allies??????? Don’t want the mud to stick to them??????
Have a happy new year boys!

"Sanjak, Vojvodina and Presoevo Valley are just inches away from formal disintegration from Serbia. Mark my word.
(PRN, 28 December 2010 14:56)"

You also said Kosovo would get 100+ countries recognising it by the end of 2008.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=49716

This is simply the Albanian way of conducting "an honest investigation"

Destroy any evidence, kill any and all witnesses, lynch them in the streets as a message to others who want to see justice served!

Just another day in the new terrorist paradise called Kosovo
(Predrag, 28 December 2010 11:43)

You have just perfectly explained the Serbian way of conducting "investigation".

Kill the people, put them in refrigerating conexes and transport them all the way to Batajnica to destroy any evidence.

YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40)

Daniel, try to get this in your head... THERE ARE NO WITNESSESS TO ANY CRIMES. Dick Marty has nothing and will provide NOTHING to any legal body. What he has are AUTHORS of fiction. That is all.. THERE ARE NO WITNESSESS to any crimes whatsoever.

@peggy

lol, what is wrong with your comprehension? Dick Marty has NO WITNESSESS, he has NOTHING NEW. NOTHING.

That is a Fact, are you so blinded by your desperate need for it to be true, that you cannot comprehend the reality that you are making a heartfelt call for the protection of non-existant fairy people from serb apologists imaginations?

AdamNYC,
How do you know Marty has nothing? Are you willing to stake everything you own on that statement? Can you prove without a doubt that these are bogus claims and that Marty had some ulterior motive? The ball is in your court now. Marty made his claims and now I await some reasonable defense. Evidently at this point all we have is that the EC accepted Marty's report. What do you have that is as strong as that? All you have done so far is blast Marty's report and write "LOL". I know that's all your little mind is capable of but we need more than that. Do you have an friends who are smarter than you to respond to Marty's report?

"Why are you so biased Amer? You know that it is wholly inappropriate especially when one of the core allegations is about witness intimidation.

It stinks and you know it.
(Mister, 28 December 2010 22:31) "

Thaci already knows who talked to Marty, or at least claims to - who are they going to be protected against? If he seriously intended to threaten them with more than embarrassment, would he declare it to the world? People may not want it known that they gave information because 1) it's true, and they're afraid of repercussions, or 2) because it's not true, and they're afraid of repercussions.

"Since when does the accused get to release a list of witnesses against him?"

-- Peggy anyone finds it incredulous the "accused" gets to release a list of witnesses against him. This, however, is where things turn into something very twisted. In the vast majority of justice systems, you are "the accused" only when the justice system has officially named you as "the accused" and there is a due process going on. If the justice system has no indictment against you and a Grand Jury has not decided that ample evidence exist for you to be tried in a court of law than you're not the "accused". What you are at this time is simply a tabloid story. In simple terms, right now Thaci is no different from Tadic. Some people have made allegations on Thaci based on a story and on a few tabloids. That is where things are today. Tomorrow it may be very easy to make a few stories against Tadic and publish them in a few papers. This however is no indication that the justice system finds either Thaci or Tadic to be "the accused". Justice is not run by "accusations" or rather allegations, on tabloids, it run by evidence presented by the justice system which specifically names you as the "accused". Now when the Serb government and its helpers resort to tabloids, rather than present evidence before the justice system, to make allegations against a person; then that person is under no obligation to remain silent. As a matter of fact it is within that person's right to use tabloids just like the Serb government and make allegations against the Serb government and their helpers. So for as long as the justice system is not invoked by Serbia (or anyone else for that matter), there is no such thing as "the accused". There are only two parties making allegations against each other on tabloids. So yea while those who are specifically and officially named by the justice system as "the accused" do not have the right to release a list of witnesses that have worked against him to the press; those against whom others have made allegations outside the justice system and on tabloids; are under no obligation not to make use of the same tabloids and make allegations of their own against others. If Belgrade and the helpers use the press to make allegations against others; then how is it not ok for other to use the press and make allegations against Belgrade and its helpers? Freedom of speech; you have that until you are officially charged with a crime.

"If any name is to be released it is up to authorities to decide who and how not the accused. "

-- Yes that would be the case if there actually was a court case on the issue. However there isn't any. It seems there won't ever be any as Belgrade refuses to abandon the tabloid arena and invoke the justice system where it presents its evidence. So for as long as Belgrade makes use of tabloids to make allegation then certainly others do have the right to make use of the same tabloids to make allegations. If you find nothing wrong with Belgrade and its helpers releasing names (Thaci's name in this case); then you should have no problem whatsoever if Thaci releases names. If Thaci's name is released outside of the justice system and from tabloids and you find nothing wrong with it; then certainly you should find nothing wrong with Thaci releasing names outside of the justice system and on tabloids.

"Thaci is being very stupid here. He is hoping that someone will do the job for him and eliminated these people."

-- That could be very well the case. How is that different from Belgrade and Dick releasing Thaci's name? What is to stop anyone from saying that they're hoping someone will do the job for them and eliminate him? You see the course that Belgrade and Dick have followed doesn't exactly demonstrate that they're asking for justice. If that was the case all their evidence they claim they have should by now be in front of a jury deciding Thaci's fate. Instead they hit the tabloids and have yet to submit one single shred of evidence to any international organization out there. To anyone who may not be invested on this issue it might seem that Belgrade and Dick are releasing Thaci's name outside of a justice system, hoping that someone will do the job for them and eliminate him; just like it seems to you that Thaci releasing names means exactly that.

"That much is obvious as he does not have the right to point any witness out. "

-- Again if this issue was in front of a court, if the justice system had officially named Thaci as the "accused", you might actually have a point. Right now however Thaci is only the protagonist of a few tabloid stories which are clearly outside of the justice system arena. As such there is no "accused", there are no "witnesses". There are simply tabloid stories. In one of these stories Belgrade and Dick released a name (Thaci's name) as the protagonist of such their story. In another story Thaci is promising to release some names as the protagonists of his story. What exactly makes it ok for Belgrade and Dick to release names on tabloids, but wrong for Thaci to do the same? I will tell you what. Nothing. For as long as Serbia refuses to bring this in the justice system and continues to push through this by using tabloids, anyone can release names. That is exactly why Belgrade is pushing so hard with Thaci's name on tabloids. Really, there are no considerable dmages for Belgrade if it continues to release names in tabloids, be it Thaci, Berisha, Nano etc. etc. In the justice system things are totally different and that is why I suspect Belgrade is unwilling to bring all of these allegations to the justice system. It can be severely damaged there.

"I am sure more witnesses would come forward if this was not the way they conducted business over there. "

-- Again for as long as the justice system is refused by Serbia there are no "accused" there are no "witnesses". There are only tabloid stories where Belgrade and Dick release their names and Thaci releases his names. If Belgrade did not conduct business through tabloids but through the justice system I am sure we would actually have an investigation that would reveal the truth; rather than tabloid stories by Belgrade releasing new names every day. The question is; does Belgrade want the truth? Especially now that it has released names of Kosova Albanians and Albanians from Albania; now that it has involved in this the Germans, the Italians, the Austrians, the Israelis, the Arabs, the Turks. I have a suspicion that they do not want the truth and the justice system to be involved. Releasing so much names and involving so many tabloids would be rather damaging to Serbia in the justice system if it has released such names and involved so many for sensationalism rather than because they have the evidence to prove it.

"These witnesses MUST be protected at all cost. After all, the cost to them could be great."

-- Sure "witnesses" must be protected; but if there is nobody that the justice system has "accused", there are no "witnesses". There are however people who have helped Dick and Belgrade write their tabloid stories. If those who helped Dick and Belgrade write tabloid stories and release names (Thaci and Berisha) must be protected, then surely you agree that those who help Thaci write his tabloid stories and release names, MUST also be protected. The point here being, that for as long as Serbia and Dick refuse to involve the justice system on this issue; Serbia and Dick are nothing but the writers of tabloid stories and those who helped them are nothing but their contributors. This is exactly why as a Serb you should be worried that the Serb government refuses to use the international justice system to give credence to their tabloid stories but continues to have this conversation on tabloids, instead of presenting evidence to the justice system.

That is a Fact, are you so blinded by your desperate need for it to be true, that you cannot comprehend the reality that you are making a heartfelt call for the protection of non-existant fairy people from serb apologists imaginations?
(AdamNYC, 29 December 2010 04:03)
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No, you are the desperate and hateful one.
I have no intention on wasting my time getting through to the likes of you but I am quite sure you are the one who is going to have egg on his face very soon.

EU...where are you guys ? Havent heard a peep from any of them ??? This isnt kindergarten when you ignore the monster and it will go away !!

Say something ...further investigations, name special team to look into or we will do nothing but say something for the love of god ..man up already

'Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever'.

This is the first time I've ever heard such comments by anybody. I can only conclude that you made this up.

johny,

I can agree with you about Thaci not being accused by any court of justice at the moment. So we can't call him "accused" by court, or by legal system. So Thaci isn't violating any legal procedures by calling names of persons that have spoken to Dick Marty, according to his own knowledge or beliefs.

This way Thaci has anyway made it clear that Dick Marty's report isn't just written in Serbia, or prepared by Belgrade and Moscow. Now we know that there are Albanians who have spoken and given information to Marty.

Simpatiku, you wrote:

"You have just perfectly explained the Serbian way of conducting 'investigation'. Kill the people, put them in refrigerating conexes and transport them all the way to Batajnica to destroy any evidence."

No-one can say you are wrong. In his trial Vlastimir Djordjevic said that Minister Vlajko Stojiljkovic told him to rebury bodies from Kosovo in central Serbia.

'Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever'.

This is the first time I've ever heard such comments by anybody. I can only conclude that you made this up.
(bganon, 30 December 2010 13:05)
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Like most of everything that was said during the 90s this too is bull.
I am used to Albanians making things up in order to see themselves as victims.

Their MO is to throw as much mud as possible in the hope of some sticking. Seems to work for a while. Short sighted approach I think.

"This way Thaci has anyway made it clear that Dick Marty's report isn't just written in Serbia, or prepared by Belgrade and Moscow. Now we know that there are Albanians who have spoken and given information to Marty. "

-- There will always be those. Right now for example there's a Serb party in Kosova begging to be in the new government headed by Thaci. The involvement and coalition of these Serbs with Thaci doesn't mean that Serbia and the Serbs are behind Thaci 100%. No it just means that some Serbs out there don't mind talking to Thaci and supporting him Likewise some Albanians talking to Dick, simply means that some Albanians don't mind doing that and supporting him; whether that report was based on Belgrade and Moscow's orders.
Surely though you should be able to understand the skepticism considering Belgrade's refusal to invoke the justice system and considering Marty's refusal to produce the evidence to the justice system.
I for once would be very convince that there might be something going on if Serbia was to convene an urgent session at the UN, UNSC or the Hague immediately after the report became public. Instead Serbia's total apathy simply makes me skeptical. How in the world the most interested party on this issue takes no action whatsoever is still beyond me.

''The Albanian people instead of supporting this right wing national KLA terrorist organization should work with the internatoinal community and the Serbian government to get this thug out of office, the sooner, the better.
(Jugoslavija, 28 December 2010 21:39) ''

Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever...now a right wing nationalist terrorist?
Who do you think you are to tell Albanian People whom to support ? Albanians never cared whom Serbs supported, they just wanted to out fo jugoslavian zombie...

@Daniel

are you feigning ignorance? or are you being intentionally obtuse?

You ask me how i know marty has nothing... Because he said as much. Dick Marty will NOT be handing over ANY NEW evidence to any legal body. He Emphatically said as much as his report came with a disclaimer... that he has NOT made a legal investigation.

Why is that so hard to understand?
I would very much like for you to answer.

what marty has, is the SAME EXACT information that has been out for years now. The ONLY thing Dick Marty can do, is Hand back the same exact material and "evidence" that was unsubstantial and disproven that was handed to him in the first place.

Why is that so hard to understand?
I would very much like for you to answer.

The ONLY THING that is new in dick marty's report, is the fantastical magical associations he makes directly to hacim thaci... using the same old information that proved nothing and contained no evidence.

isnt that amazing?

Do you really not understand Daniel, Dick Marty has regurgitated every single bit of the propaganda thats already been run to the ground. He Does Not ask the question... is this accusation from true? No,He only states that the accusation was made.

and from that he makes his "new" conclusion.

and how did he reach this conclusion? who helped him come to this conclusion?
What is his New Evidence? Can you really not see why Albo's are asking these pesky little questions.

Its easy to see why his little legal disclaimer was necessary for him to avoid any and all explanations.

Dick Marty's Silence is Deafening.

name one single Proven Fact. or One single piece of REAL evidence from the Report... and THEN you can ask me for a reasonable defense.

You Cannot, because it does not contain any.

get it yet?

Like most of everything that was said during the 90s this too is bull.
I am used to Albanians making things up in order to see themselves as victims.

Their MO is to throw as much mud as possible in the hope of some sticking. Seems to work for a while. Short sighted approach I think.
(peggy, 31 December 2010 08:49)

The first time I heard about the KLA being a communist organization was from the Serb media. Not only that but they went as far as claiming that such communist organization left Kosova and was formed in Turkey and then later came back to Kosova.

No, you are the desperate and hateful one.
I have no intention on wasting my time getting through to the likes of you but I am quite sure you are the one who is going to have egg on his face very soon.
(Peggy, 29 December 2010 11:42)

I have yet to see anyone eager on advising you how to use your own time efficiently.

You will find that the US legal system is unique with many of their procedures cumbersome and outdated.
As a matter of fact even supreme court judicial decisions are rarely taken on board by any nation outside the US, whereas you will find that the British system is far superior and much more consistent in its decisions. Ask your neighbors, the Canadians.
(sj, 29 December 2010 00:07)

Dude, you obviously have not taken any procedurial law class ever.... Just consider one example that international criminal courts procedures are mostly taken by the US legal system.

What you call "outdated and cumbersome" procedures are what guarantees that the US system does not become a system like the ones experienced by the likes of Khodorkovsky, Liu Xiaobo or Ashtiani.

Dear mr Deputy War Crimes Prosecutor Bruno Vekarić,

If you have got the evidence provide them so we can bring these people before justice, however ...

if you have no evidence ... stop shouting from the roof tops & stop with indoctrinate the hatred into the Serb population.

Serbia has tried to give Albanians a negative image but without success.

Though, you have achieved one thing and that is you have closen the ranks between the Albanians only closer to each other.

The Eagle

tch tch tch... dick marty has No new Evidence whatsover, will not be handing over anything to any legal body...

how then is it possible to threaten "witnessess"... when there was nothing to witness?

that dick marty is operator on pure fiction, why is serbia afraid of the authors getting credit?

I actually find it quite unbelieveable that so many years after Milosevic, the serbian prosecution can stoop so low to be making daily accusations without evidence and any sense of political and moral responsibility.

As a politician, i really really dislike Thaqi and can't wait to see the back of him but his statement had nothing to do with intimidating witmess or calling for some kind of lynching! In his naive he thought it would benefit him if he uses this report to score some political points against opposition politicians. The two names that he will likely mention is Florin Krasniqi (Vetevendosje) and Veton Surroi's club of foreign politics!

So, its nothing to do with witness intimidation or cover of crimes, but simply cheap nasty political tricks to be expected of Thaci and directed for local consumption.

If he really wanted to intimidate a wintess to any crime, he wouldn't do it on TV!!! Even Thaqi is not that dumb.

The situation is much more complex
but the report will suffice to fuel the anti-albanian prejudice of commentators below.

"Deputy prosecutor: Thaci threatening witnesses"

If your witnesses are in the fiction section, or have all their organs and a ton of fresh cash, or even if they are from the group who already got caught fabricating organ stories for 100k euros, of course they will blush from their lies. Serbia is on a roll in that regard.

Little prosecutor wants to crucify Thaci with nails and a duct tape across his mouth. Obviously he is worried about his on job that cant justify his own work with old woman yapping tactics.

Evidence speak louder than words, if you brought forward the evidence, there is no way that that evidence will disappear. But listening to the usual imaginary "witnesses, evidence destruction" and what not, only makes Serbia weird. Remember All your international cases have been lost, are loosing, and will loose. That is not a coincidence. Just liars getting caught red handed, and thats not the first time too.

"Deputy prosecutor: Thaci threatening witnesses"

A FEW DAYS AGO, I said, in one of the following threads that, Serbian factory of lies/propaganda is in FULL steam, and EXPECT ANYTHING.

Here we go. You hear VARIOUS RUBBISH, not only about THACI but EVEN for BERISHA. BUT unfortunately OR fortunately, in today's world (unlike in 1878 and 1912)ONLY things PROVEN count.

Serbia, is still in 19th and early 20th century, with its mentality. We know pretty well how Serbs in the past successfully managed to lie the world that Albanians are killers, and... look what happen...ALBANIA is the ONLY COUNTRY in WORLD THAT BORDERS ONLY ITS NEIGHBOURS.

Now the World has sensed that injustices done in the past and returned to rightful owners (the Albanians)...and trust me ...this is just the beginning.

Now we are witnessing the disintegration of Serbia from every angle. This is NOT by chance....

Sanjak, Vojvodina and Presoevo Valley are just inches away from formal disintegration from Serbia. Mark my word.

Why isn't Bruno Vekaric telling us where Ratko Mladic and Goran Hadzic are?

"You're not afraid of the truth are you?
(Zoran, "

Haha, afraid from Serb sponsored accusations? Please sir, you must be new to the balkans.

Carla sound just like another Serb with countless excuses, all to cover her incompetence, but to her good luck there is a great niche market like yourself Zoran.

That's the way how justice works in Thaci Kingdom... ehh I mean the independent dream state of Kosovo. Come on, calls for witch hunts are good European and even religious traditions! Unfortunately, Thaci is only living 400 years too late ;-)

This is simply the Albanian way of conducting "an honest investigation"

Destroy any evidence, kill any and all witnesses, lynch them in the streets as a message to others who want to see justice served!

Just another day in the new terrorist paradise called Kosovo

Let me just repeat what Carla Del Ponte said. I quote:

"The former Hague Tribunal chief prosecutor added that the tribunal’s personnel had been very seriously threatened by the Albanian mafia and former KLA operatives when they attempted to conduct the investigation into organ trafficking accusations in 2004."

Check http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=22&nav_id=71679

Now our KiM Albanian posters here are sounding like a broken record and still in denial as always. You see, it's simple - allow an unhindered investigation to be conducted and everything will be clear. You're not afraid of the truth are you?

That’s the way to go, Albanian justice. Just keep on threatening the witnesses and show the world your new democratic and rule of law credentials – but where is the US; it’s awfully quiet

There's NO difference between Thug & Politician to the Albanian Elites

“It is a call for lynching and a threat to witnesses,” said the deputy prosecutor for war crimes.

-- How is Thaci's call any different from Serbia's and Dick? All of them seem to know who the guilty party is, yet they refuse to show any evidence. Week 3 and no evidence released. Still waiting.
For the Serbs here, acting like they are the moral compass of humanity; don't even attempt it. If you find nothing wrong with others accusing Thaci yet refusing to show any evidence at all; then really if you're these pure human beings you pretend to be, you should find nothing wrong with Thaci accusing others and refusing to show any evidence. Just quit your shenanigans. Just because you're able to fool your own selves it doesn't mean you can fool others. Quit it. You're simply too bad at your game.

simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40

Daniel, it is unfortunately pointless to try to make them understand even basics of how our system works! When you have your head deep in the sand, this is what happend...
It is obviously appealing to read all these nationalist comments, justifying any sort of crimes. As you rightly pointed out, let the justice makes his way and then everybody will have the opportunity to laugh or cry...

Even here with such a simple statement, the Albanians are trying to paint this as Serbian desperation. I wanted to give your people at least a tiny bit of credit but now all of your validity as an intelligent people has been lost. Let me make this absolutely clear. In civilized countries, people don't share the evidence with everyone. They go to court and in the court, the prosecution discloses the evidence. Then a jury of sorts (in the US it's a jury of one's peers) decides upon the verdict. One thing that is for sure is that witnesses are protected. This is not about Thaci disclosing authors of a farce. It's about witnesses in a possible criminal proceeding. If Thaci is not guilty, after the trial he can make fun of the "authors" all he wants to. If however, he is guilty, he can laugh about them behind bars. It's that simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.

"So, its nothing to do with witness intimidation or cover of crimes, but simply cheap nasty political tricks to be expected of Thaci and directed for local consumption. "
(nikshala, 28 December 2010 12:05)

So you mean Thaci will simply put names of some persons he doesn't like on his great 'Marty's helpers list'? Okay, then it's not witnesses intimidation, just a cheap and obvious way of harassing political opponents. Which doesn't make it any better. And such a person want to become president. I can only repeat: The only ones who are damaging Kosovo are their 'professional' and 'honest' politicians! You don't need anyone else, no Marty, no 'anti-Albanian independence network'

Albanians threatening witnesses and everything else that comes in their way is nothing new. It's in their blood. Look at Albania and how primitive they still are. Much thanks to their bloodfeud behaviour. Hach is doing what gangsters do best, threatening everyone that questions their position and their interests. Hach has proven just in the last couple of days that he is nothing more then a simple cowardly crook.

Amer, is it normal for a head of state to reveal the names of witnesses to the entire international community? What's the point of that? Witnesses have to be protected so that they can testify confidently. When the accused goes out of his way to reveal those witnesses, he must be doing that for a reason. Also, what if he actually were to have no malicious intent whatsoever? Let's go with that for a second. Now, one person who is so devoted to Thaci and cannot bear to hear these accusations may act irrationally toward this witness now that he knows who the witness is. One cannot account for every possible contingency. Thus, it is best to leave witnesses be. Besides, if Thaci is completely innocent, then he will have the last laugh in the end. Revealing witness names only makes him look more like the thug he is accused of being.

@Daniel

are you feigning ignorance? or are you being intentionally obtuse?

You ask me how i know marty has nothing... Because he said as much. Dick Marty will NOT be handing over ANY NEW evidence to any legal body. He Emphatically said as much as his report came with a disclaimer... that he has NOT made a legal investigation.

Why is that so hard to understand?
I would very much like for you to answer.

what marty has, is the SAME EXACT information that has been out for years now. The ONLY thing Dick Marty can do, is Hand back the same exact material and "evidence" that was unsubstantial and disproven that was handed to him in the first place.

Why is that so hard to understand?
I would very much like for you to answer.

The ONLY THING that is new in dick marty's report, is the fantastical magical associations he makes directly to hacim thaci... using the same old information that proved nothing and contained no evidence.

isnt that amazing?

Do you really not understand Daniel, Dick Marty has regurgitated every single bit of the propaganda thats already been run to the ground. He Does Not ask the question... is this accusation from true? No,He only states that the accusation was made.

and from that he makes his "new" conclusion.

and how did he reach this conclusion? who helped him come to this conclusion?
What is his New Evidence? Can you really not see why Albo's are asking these pesky little questions.

Its easy to see why his little legal disclaimer was necessary for him to avoid any and all explanations.

Dick Marty's Silence is Deafening.

name one single Proven Fact. or One single piece of REAL evidence from the Report... and THEN you can ask me for a reasonable defense.

You Cannot, because it does not contain any.

get it yet?

Nikshala,

Yes, you may very well have it right about Thaci's attempt to better his position and to defeat his political rivals by announcing them as Dick Marty's "collaborators". But even if Thaci wouldn't be after other "collaborators" (although they certainly have got Thaci's message...) the issue that predrag mentioned here is valid: Is this the way of conducting "an honest investigation"? Is this the way to co-operate in the investigation?

And that takes us straight to a related issue. The Eagle wrote (most likely from the far part of the world, without a connection to Kosovo reality):

"Dear mr Deputy War Crimes Prosecutor Bruno Vekarić, [...] you have achieved one thing and that is you have closen the ranks between the Albanians only closer to each other."

Nikshala writes that "the situation is much more complex", and so it is. My personal channels of information point to the exactly opposite direction than what The Eagle dreams of, and so does also Thaci's aim to reveal "collaborators". Thaci, his past, his behaviour and methods continue tearing Albanian society in pieces, today even more than yesterday.

What I can't agree with nikshala is his demands of "sense of political and moral responsibility" from Serbia. Nikshala leaves open the actual meaning of his demand but anyway I'll ask: When and in which occasions did Kosovo engage itself in this kind of responsibility towards Serbia? The very similar issue is the Albanians' continued demand for evidences to back up accusations for KLA's and Thaci's crimes.

I very well remember the mountain of accusations coming from Albanians and NATO against Serbia, without any need for evidence, like in the case of April 19, 1999, when the U.S. State Department announced 500, 000 Kosovo Albanians feared dead, and in the case of May 16, when U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen stated that 100, 000 military-aged ethnic Albanian men were very possibly killed by the Serbs. Not a single KLA representative did rise against these accusations demanding evidence. They calmly took the benefit. Now their tone has changed when they must themselves bite the bitter cake. I'm sorry, but I feel no sorry for former KLA people.

We also must remember that evidence need not be presented to no-one else than to court. Before any court will make a decision about a case really existing or not, it wants to study the evidence. So in case of no evidence there will not be a court case. In the light of this all Albanians - who know that there's no evidence - can now light their cigars, relax and wait for the humiliation of Serbia.

Others may remain anxious about what's coming around.

"simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40"

Since when? Prosecutors often name those whom they expect to call to present evidence.

And while you're citing US law, the US has an institution known as the Grand Jury, where the prosecutor presents his evidence to a group of citizens who decide in secret whether he has reason to proceed with an actual trial (where there will be a Petit Jury of 12 to decide whether he's proved his case). It is members of the Grand Jury who are sworn to secrecy - not the witnesses called before it.

The existence of a Grand Jury makes it possible to consider whether there is evidence indicating the need for a trial without first trying the suspect in a possibly hostile press, as is being done here. As some posters have cheerfully pointed out, it doesn't matter whether Thaci is guilty of anything or not, the publicity will hurt him and Kosovo both, and that is enough.

Since when? Prosecutors often name those whom they expect to call to present evidence.
(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)
--
Unless their life is threatened. We all know what happens to witnesses that are prepared to testify against the mafia. The sooner we get a witness protections system working the better, as Marty recommended.

As some posters have cheerfully pointed out, it doesn't matter whether Thaci is guilty of anything or not, the publicity will hurt him and Kosovo both, and that is enough.
(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)

RE: The Albanian trying to act like an American.


If you are so concerned about the tarnished reputation of a true war criminal Thaci, where were you when Slobodan Milosevic was arrested on absolutely no evidence and held at the Hague Tribunal with trumped up charges. To this day, none of the accusations have been proven, in fact, quite the opposite as Milosevic destroyed the prosecutors evidence and left the Hague Tribunal in shambles.


Thaci does not have the intellectual capacity, education and or courage do to the same. He is the lowest scum that exists on the earth who would sell his own mother's heart for a few trinkets of gold. The Albanian people instead of supporting this right wing national KLA terrorist organization should work with the internatoinal community and the Serbian government to get this thug out of office, the sooner, the better.

@Johny, what is wrong with your comprehension?
Do you not understand English any more or are you that naive?

One question and please answer it.

Since when does the accused get to release a list of witnesses against him? If any name is to be released it is up to authorities to decide who and how not the accused.

Thaci is being very stupid here. He is hoping that someone will do the job for him and eliminated these people. That much is obvious as he does not have the right to point any witness out.

I am sure more witnesses would come forward if this was not the way they conducted business over there. These witnesses MUST be protected at all cost. After all, the cost to them could be great.

This is simply the Albanian way of conducting "an honest investigation"

Destroy any evidence, kill any and all witnesses, lynch them in the streets as a message to others who want to see justice served!

Just another day in the new terrorist paradise called Kosovo
(Predrag, 28 December 2010 11:43)

You have just perfectly explained the Serbian way of conducting "investigation".

Kill the people, put them in refrigerating conexes and transport them all the way to Batajnica to destroy any evidence.

"Since when does the accused get to release a list of witnesses against him?"

-- Peggy anyone finds it incredulous the "accused" gets to release a list of witnesses against him. This, however, is where things turn into something very twisted. In the vast majority of justice systems, you are "the accused" only when the justice system has officially named you as "the accused" and there is a due process going on. If the justice system has no indictment against you and a Grand Jury has not decided that ample evidence exist for you to be tried in a court of law than you're not the "accused". What you are at this time is simply a tabloid story. In simple terms, right now Thaci is no different from Tadic. Some people have made allegations on Thaci based on a story and on a few tabloids. That is where things are today. Tomorrow it may be very easy to make a few stories against Tadic and publish them in a few papers. This however is no indication that the justice system finds either Thaci or Tadic to be "the accused". Justice is not run by "accusations" or rather allegations, on tabloids, it run by evidence presented by the justice system which specifically names you as the "accused". Now when the Serb government and its helpers resort to tabloids, rather than present evidence before the justice system, to make allegations against a person; then that person is under no obligation to remain silent. As a matter of fact it is within that person's right to use tabloids just like the Serb government and make allegations against the Serb government and their helpers. So for as long as the justice system is not invoked by Serbia (or anyone else for that matter), there is no such thing as "the accused". There are only two parties making allegations against each other on tabloids. So yea while those who are specifically and officially named by the justice system as "the accused" do not have the right to release a list of witnesses that have worked against him to the press; those against whom others have made allegations outside the justice system and on tabloids; are under no obligation not to make use of the same tabloids and make allegations of their own against others. If Belgrade and the helpers use the press to make allegations against others; then how is it not ok for other to use the press and make allegations against Belgrade and its helpers? Freedom of speech; you have that until you are officially charged with a crime.

"If any name is to be released it is up to authorities to decide who and how not the accused. "

-- Yes that would be the case if there actually was a court case on the issue. However there isn't any. It seems there won't ever be any as Belgrade refuses to abandon the tabloid arena and invoke the justice system where it presents its evidence. So for as long as Belgrade makes use of tabloids to make allegation then certainly others do have the right to make use of the same tabloids to make allegations. If you find nothing wrong with Belgrade and its helpers releasing names (Thaci's name in this case); then you should have no problem whatsoever if Thaci releases names. If Thaci's name is released outside of the justice system and from tabloids and you find nothing wrong with it; then certainly you should find nothing wrong with Thaci releasing names outside of the justice system and on tabloids.

"Thaci is being very stupid here. He is hoping that someone will do the job for him and eliminated these people."

-- That could be very well the case. How is that different from Belgrade and Dick releasing Thaci's name? What is to stop anyone from saying that they're hoping someone will do the job for them and eliminate him? You see the course that Belgrade and Dick have followed doesn't exactly demonstrate that they're asking for justice. If that was the case all their evidence they claim they have should by now be in front of a jury deciding Thaci's fate. Instead they hit the tabloids and have yet to submit one single shred of evidence to any international organization out there. To anyone who may not be invested on this issue it might seem that Belgrade and Dick are releasing Thaci's name outside of a justice system, hoping that someone will do the job for them and eliminate him; just like it seems to you that Thaci releasing names means exactly that.

"That much is obvious as he does not have the right to point any witness out. "

-- Again if this issue was in front of a court, if the justice system had officially named Thaci as the "accused", you might actually have a point. Right now however Thaci is only the protagonist of a few tabloid stories which are clearly outside of the justice system arena. As such there is no "accused", there are no "witnesses". There are simply tabloid stories. In one of these stories Belgrade and Dick released a name (Thaci's name) as the protagonist of such their story. In another story Thaci is promising to release some names as the protagonists of his story. What exactly makes it ok for Belgrade and Dick to release names on tabloids, but wrong for Thaci to do the same? I will tell you what. Nothing. For as long as Serbia refuses to bring this in the justice system and continues to push through this by using tabloids, anyone can release names. That is exactly why Belgrade is pushing so hard with Thaci's name on tabloids. Really, there are no considerable dmages for Belgrade if it continues to release names in tabloids, be it Thaci, Berisha, Nano etc. etc. In the justice system things are totally different and that is why I suspect Belgrade is unwilling to bring all of these allegations to the justice system. It can be severely damaged there.

"I am sure more witnesses would come forward if this was not the way they conducted business over there. "

-- Again for as long as the justice system is refused by Serbia there are no "accused" there are no "witnesses". There are only tabloid stories where Belgrade and Dick release their names and Thaci releases his names. If Belgrade did not conduct business through tabloids but through the justice system I am sure we would actually have an investigation that would reveal the truth; rather than tabloid stories by Belgrade releasing new names every day. The question is; does Belgrade want the truth? Especially now that it has released names of Kosova Albanians and Albanians from Albania; now that it has involved in this the Germans, the Italians, the Austrians, the Israelis, the Arabs, the Turks. I have a suspicion that they do not want the truth and the justice system to be involved. Releasing so much names and involving so many tabloids would be rather damaging to Serbia in the justice system if it has released such names and involved so many for sensationalism rather than because they have the evidence to prove it.

"These witnesses MUST be protected at all cost. After all, the cost to them could be great."

-- Sure "witnesses" must be protected; but if there is nobody that the justice system has "accused", there are no "witnesses". There are however people who have helped Dick and Belgrade write their tabloid stories. If those who helped Dick and Belgrade write tabloid stories and release names (Thaci and Berisha) must be protected, then surely you agree that those who help Thaci write his tabloid stories and release names, MUST also be protected. The point here being, that for as long as Serbia and Dick refuse to involve the justice system on this issue; Serbia and Dick are nothing but the writers of tabloid stories and those who helped them are nothing but their contributors. This is exactly why as a Serb you should be worried that the Serb government refuses to use the international justice system to give credence to their tabloid stories but continues to have this conversation on tabloids, instead of presenting evidence to the justice system.

simple. Let me repeat it since you are having a hard time understanding something my elementary school child seems to be able to understand quite readily; YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40

Daniel, it is unfortunately pointless to try to make them understand even basics of how our system works! When you have your head deep in the sand, this is what happend...
It is obviously appealing to read all these nationalist comments, justifying any sort of crimes. As you rightly pointed out, let the justice makes his way and then everybody will have the opportunity to laugh or cry...
(The Swiss, 28 December 2010 17:35)

-- The Swiss and Daniel it is obvious that you've never served a single day on a jury duty. As Amer pointed out, the existence of a Grand Jury allows for the determination of whether there is substantial evidence for a trial. So while you may be oblivious to the the existence of such institutions, the least you can do is to not maintain you're far more illuminated and far more superior intellectually than others; when its clear you're not. The justice system allows for a group of people to determine whether the evidence presented is substantial for the commencement of a trial. Now that we established this; where is the evidence so the justice system can determine whether it is substantial so a trial can finally start. Still waiting for the evidence.

"Since when? Prosecutors often name those whom they expect to call to present evidence.

And while you're citing US law, the US has an institution known as the Grand Jury, where the prosecutor presents his evidence to a group of citizens who decide in secret whether he has reason to proceed with an actual trial (where there will be a Petit Jury of 12 to decide whether he's proved his case). It is members of the Grand Jury who are sworn to secrecy - not the witnesses called before it.

The existence of a Grand Jury makes it possible to consider whether there is evidence indicating the need for a trial without first trying the suspect in a possibly hostile press, as is being done here. As some posters have cheerfully pointed out, it doesn't matter whether Thaci is guilty of anything or not, the publicity will hurt him and Kosovo both, and that is enough.
(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)"

Why are you so biased Amer? You know that it is wholly inappropriate especially when one of the core allegations is about witness intimidation.

It stinks and you know it.

YOU DO NOT DISCLOSE THE IDENTITIES OF WITNESSES.
(Daniel, 28 December 2010 12:40)

Daniel, try to get this in your head... THERE ARE NO WITNESSESS TO ANY CRIMES. Dick Marty has nothing and will provide NOTHING to any legal body. What he has are AUTHORS of fiction. That is all.. THERE ARE NO WITNESSESS to any crimes whatsoever.

@peggy

lol, what is wrong with your comprehension? Dick Marty has NO WITNESSESS, he has NOTHING NEW. NOTHING.

That is a Fact, are you so blinded by your desperate need for it to be true, that you cannot comprehend the reality that you are making a heartfelt call for the protection of non-existant fairy people from serb apologists imaginations?

"Why are you so biased Amer? You know that it is wholly inappropriate especially when one of the core allegations is about witness intimidation.

It stinks and you know it.
(Mister, 28 December 2010 22:31) "

Thaci already knows who talked to Marty, or at least claims to - who are they going to be protected against? If he seriously intended to threaten them with more than embarrassment, would he declare it to the world? People may not want it known that they gave information because 1) it's true, and they're afraid of repercussions, or 2) because it's not true, and they're afraid of repercussions.

Sanjak, Vojvodina and Presoevo Valley are just inches away from formal disintegration from Serbia. Mark my word.
(PRN, 28 December 2010 14:56)

Yes, yes, I mark your words again but you hold breath until it happens. You no very good at telling fortunes. But I tell you something; the Russians no allow that to hepen ha, ha, ha! Enjoy a breathless new year.

(Amer, 28 December 2010 18:33)

The Grand Jury method of disclosure is a very poor system which has not been adopted by any other legal system on this planet. In fact this was initially used by the British and they abandoned it. You will find that the US legal system is unique with many of their procedures cumbersome and outdated.
As a matter of fact even supreme court judicial decisions are rarely taken on board by any nation outside the US, whereas you will find that the British system is far superior and much more consistent in its decisions. Ask your neighbors, the Canadians.

(johny, 28 December 2010 19:00)
…. Just quit your shenanigans…” Ouch, you are in pain. Why would we want to quit? The shoe is on the other foot and that’s how it’s going to stay. You Albos can dish it out but can’t take it – if you think this is painful wait and see 2011.
What’s happened? No help from the US? Hmm are they trying to stand at arm’s length from their allies??????? Don’t want the mud to stick to them??????
Have a happy new year boys!

That is a Fact, are you so blinded by your desperate need for it to be true, that you cannot comprehend the reality that you are making a heartfelt call for the protection of non-existant fairy people from serb apologists imaginations?
(AdamNYC, 29 December 2010 04:03)
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No, you are the desperate and hateful one.
I have no intention on wasting my time getting through to the likes of you but I am quite sure you are the one who is going to have egg on his face very soon.

''The Albanian people instead of supporting this right wing national KLA terrorist organization should work with the internatoinal community and the Serbian government to get this thug out of office, the sooner, the better.
(Jugoslavija, 28 December 2010 21:39) ''

Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever...now a right wing nationalist terrorist?
Who do you think you are to tell Albanian People whom to support ? Albanians never cared whom Serbs supported, they just wanted to out fo jugoslavian zombie...

"Sanjak, Vojvodina and Presoevo Valley are just inches away from formal disintegration from Serbia. Mark my word.
(PRN, 28 December 2010 14:56)"

You also said Kosovo would get 100+ countries recognising it by the end of 2008.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=49716

AdamNYC,
How do you know Marty has nothing? Are you willing to stake everything you own on that statement? Can you prove without a doubt that these are bogus claims and that Marty had some ulterior motive? The ball is in your court now. Marty made his claims and now I await some reasonable defense. Evidently at this point all we have is that the EC accepted Marty's report. What do you have that is as strong as that? All you have done so far is blast Marty's report and write "LOL". I know that's all your little mind is capable of but we need more than that. Do you have an friends who are smarter than you to respond to Marty's report?

johny,

I can agree with you about Thaci not being accused by any court of justice at the moment. So we can't call him "accused" by court, or by legal system. So Thaci isn't violating any legal procedures by calling names of persons that have spoken to Dick Marty, according to his own knowledge or beliefs.

This way Thaci has anyway made it clear that Dick Marty's report isn't just written in Serbia, or prepared by Belgrade and Moscow. Now we know that there are Albanians who have spoken and given information to Marty.

Simpatiku, you wrote:

"You have just perfectly explained the Serbian way of conducting 'investigation'. Kill the people, put them in refrigerating conexes and transport them all the way to Batajnica to destroy any evidence."

No-one can say you are wrong. In his trial Vlastimir Djordjevic said that Minister Vlajko Stojiljkovic told him to rebury bodies from Kosovo in central Serbia.

"This way Thaci has anyway made it clear that Dick Marty's report isn't just written in Serbia, or prepared by Belgrade and Moscow. Now we know that there are Albanians who have spoken and given information to Marty. "

-- There will always be those. Right now for example there's a Serb party in Kosova begging to be in the new government headed by Thaci. The involvement and coalition of these Serbs with Thaci doesn't mean that Serbia and the Serbs are behind Thaci 100%. No it just means that some Serbs out there don't mind talking to Thaci and supporting him Likewise some Albanians talking to Dick, simply means that some Albanians don't mind doing that and supporting him; whether that report was based on Belgrade and Moscow's orders.
Surely though you should be able to understand the skepticism considering Belgrade's refusal to invoke the justice system and considering Marty's refusal to produce the evidence to the justice system.
I for once would be very convince that there might be something going on if Serbia was to convene an urgent session at the UN, UNSC or the Hague immediately after the report became public. Instead Serbia's total apathy simply makes me skeptical. How in the world the most interested party on this issue takes no action whatsoever is still beyond me.

Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever...now a right wing nationalist terrorist?
Who do you think you are to tell Albanian People whom to support ? Albanians never cared whom Serbs supported, they just wanted to out fo jugoslavian zombie...
(iliri, 29 December 2010 19:52)

Thaci a Leninist? Marxist? Who exactly is saying that? Enlighten me please.....I dont' think Thaci is capable of reading and comprhending Marx, Hegel, Voltaire, Kant or other philosophers.

I am a person who does not support a murderer, terrorist, thug and criminal.

Whether he is Arkan in Serbia;
Thaci in Kosovo;
Nasir Oric in Bosnia;
or Anthony Mcvey in the United States.

The Albanians were living much better in the so called Jugsolavia zhombie than the hole they are living in now.

Like most of everything that was said during the 90s this too is bull.
I am used to Albanians making things up in order to see themselves as victims.

Their MO is to throw as much mud as possible in the hope of some sticking. Seems to work for a while. Short sighted approach I think.
(peggy, 31 December 2010 08:49)

The first time I heard about the KLA being a communist organization was from the Serb media. Not only that but they went as far as claiming that such communist organization left Kosova and was formed in Turkey and then later came back to Kosova.

No, you are the desperate and hateful one.
I have no intention on wasting my time getting through to the likes of you but I am quite sure you are the one who is going to have egg on his face very soon.
(Peggy, 29 December 2010 11:42)

I have yet to see anyone eager on advising you how to use your own time efficiently.

EU...where are you guys ? Havent heard a peep from any of them ??? This isnt kindergarten when you ignore the monster and it will go away !!

Say something ...further investigations, name special team to look into or we will do nothing but say something for the love of god ..man up already

You Cannot, because it does not contain any.

get it yet?
(AdamNYC, 30 December 2010 04:35)
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And yet he has the whole world talking about it and EC wanting to investigate.
Now how do you suppose he did this with the "same old rubbish"?

'Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever'.

This is the first time I've ever heard such comments by anybody. I can only conclude that you made this up.

'Serbs have been saying for so long that Thaci is a leninist, a bolshevik or what ever'.

This is the first time I've ever heard such comments by anybody. I can only conclude that you made this up.
(bganon, 30 December 2010 13:05)
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Like most of everything that was said during the 90s this too is bull.
I am used to Albanians making things up in order to see themselves as victims.

Their MO is to throw as much mud as possible in the hope of some sticking. Seems to work for a while. Short sighted approach I think.

You will find that the US legal system is unique with many of their procedures cumbersome and outdated.
As a matter of fact even supreme court judicial decisions are rarely taken on board by any nation outside the US, whereas you will find that the British system is far superior and much more consistent in its decisions. Ask your neighbors, the Canadians.
(sj, 29 December 2010 00:07)

Dude, you obviously have not taken any procedurial law class ever.... Just consider one example that international criminal courts procedures are mostly taken by the US legal system.

What you call "outdated and cumbersome" procedures are what guarantees that the US system does not become a system like the ones experienced by the likes of Khodorkovsky, Liu Xiaobo or Ashtiani.