Prosecutor on obstructions in search for Mladić

Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven.

"Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven. "
(Drownotherday, 27 December 2010 11:18)

Just look at the comment below, many nationalistic extremists consider those criminals heroes, freedom fighters, defender of 'Serbdom', and some more other nonsense. They believer they are innocent, the investigators are 'anti-serbian' and it's only a big conspiracy theory: The whole world is against 'us'.

It's nothing Serb specific, though: Exactly the same reactions (maybe even more extreme) you can currently find amongst the Kosovo Albanians and their great 'hero' Thaci and his 'anti-independy network' fairy tale.

Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven.
(Drownotherday, 27 December 2010 11:18)

In all wars soldiers do "evil" things--it's the nature of the beast.

I am not going to judge those in wars,because I have not walked in their shoes. When a true patriot of his people sets out to do war and kill for a cause,or to defend from a cause that they deem evil--both sides are choosing to "sacrifice" themselves for what they believe is a just cause and best for their people--and in most cases do what they believe is necessary to "defeat" the opposition. I personally see all sides, choosing, of their own free will, to "martyr" their lives for what they believed was in the best interests of their people. I have no doubt that whatever they did, they will be viewed by many of their own as their heroes.

However,there are international rules and laws of engagement, and if they are true "martyrs" for their people, and have the best interests of their people in their hearts--they should all step up and face the "music" and let the laws and history judge them.

To answer your question from a Serbian people's perspective is very easy. They have every reason, given the recent biased history of the Hague Tribunal towards them not to trust that "circus", especially given the fact that the major players chose not to recognize that court for their own deeds.
On the other hand, the recent history of that "circus" has been nothing other than favorable for the Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats. So what's your excuse for not giving up your own. Tell us,PLEASE.
Maybe by Mladich not surrendering himself he feels that he is still doing the best thing for his people by hindering Serbia's path to the EU.

Just look at the comment below, many nationalistic extremists consider those criminals heroes, freedom fighters, defender of 'Serbdom', and some more other nonsense. They believer they are innocent, the investigators are 'anti-serbian' and it's only a big conspiracy theory: The whole world is against 'us'.
(Top, 27 December 2010 16:49)
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I don't think you've been following closely Top. Serbians have always admitted that crimes have been committed so if justice is to be served then do it in a court that serves it universally and not selectively. If you think the NATO court in the Hague is impartial then you really are misguided.

Look at the patterns. Why is Seselj still on trial after 7 years? Why did it take 4 years to even start it after he voluntarily surrendered? In 2009, with only 7 hours left with the prosecution and having no intention of providing a defence he case still hasn't finished. It's nearly 2011!

Now listen to this - "The presiding judge however has declared he no longer wants a part of the trial as he deems it immoral and irrational as there is no way he can justly find Šešelj guilty."

Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seselj

Now what about Milosevic?

Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FusfOqCtqc (there are 5 parts to that documentary)

And what about witness intimidation? Here, check http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/08/icty-orders-independent-investigation-of-witness-intimidation-at-seselj-trial.php

I quote:

"Spokesperson Christian Chartier noted that, following the independent investigation, due within six months, the court will determine if there are sufficient grounds to initiate contempt proceedings against investigators. According to statements sent to the court by Seselj, witnesses claimed that they were subject to sleep deprivation, pressured during interviews, blackmailed, threatened and offered illegal payments of money, and that their statements were not read before being signed."

Look for the same allegations in the Milosevic videos above. There are more than one.

So, hey, if you want justice then lets see a court that serves it universally. Then we can get Bush, Bliar, Clinton, Clark, Albright and the Albanian mafia just for starters. If you want selective justice then forget about it. That's the point Top, something you seem to avoid. We reject selective justice.

Nice try. Thaci is right there for any one to prove his guilt.
(miri, 27 December 2010 18:57)
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Really? The question being is will he allow a proper investigation to proceed considering what Carla Del Ponte said. I quote:

"The former Hague Tribunal chief prosecutor added that the tribunal’s personnel had been very seriously threatened by the Albanian mafia and former KLA operatives when they attempted to conduct the investigation into organ trafficking accusations in 2004."

Check http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=22&nav_id=71679

BTW, Mladic is probably living a comfortable life in Russia while the sell-outs sweat it here in Serbia.

Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven.
(Drownotherday, 27 December 2010 11:18)

See, I have PRECISELY the same question. ;-)

It's nothing Serb specific, though: Exactly the same reactions (maybe even more extreme) you can currently find amongst the Kosovo Albanians and their great 'hero' Thaci and his 'anti-independy network' fairy tale.
(Top, 27 December 2010 16:49)

Nice try. Thaci is right there for any one to prove his guilt. Mladic is living in the sewers with the rats.

Bad comparison, maybe better next time.

Ask Tadic and Jeremic, why are they obstructing. It is too transparent to see that Serbia as a state is hiding him.

"Nice try. Thaci is right there for any one to prove his guilt. Mladic is living in the sewers with the rats.
Bad comparison, maybe better next time."
(miri, 27 December 2010 18:57)
Correct, that's a big difference: One is hiding to escape justice, one is insulting and threatening everyone who wants to
investigate in his case. But in the end, the similarities are bigger: Both are 'innocent' (i.e. no court has convicted them), both are considered "heroes" and "fighters for freedom", and both have followers that help and protect them.

Maybe by Mladich not surrendering himself he feels that he is still doing the best thing for his people by hindering Serbia's path to the EU.
(personal opinion, 27 December 2010 16:04)

I think, Mladić does not care less about EU or not. Besides being an accused - is also a very important witness. He could turn into a nightmare because he was a soldier and close to what happened on both sides.

Mladić being on the run by no means is in the interest of the current regime in Belgrade. Or even the Serbian or Russian security apparat in general. Maybe some lower or mid-rank Serbian officers.

In 2010 Mladić being "on the run" is in the interest of highest-level "Western" diplomacy, in particular Dutch and American. Mladić is probably less afraid of the court than of some unexplainable accidents - simply because he knows too much.

That's my personal opinion, but let's see how it develops.

Ask Tadic and Jeremic, why are they obstructing. It is too transparent to see that Serbia as a state is hiding him.

Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven.
(Drownotherday, 27 December 2010 11:18)

In all wars soldiers do "evil" things--it's the nature of the beast.

I am not going to judge those in wars,because I have not walked in their shoes. When a true patriot of his people sets out to do war and kill for a cause,or to defend from a cause that they deem evil--both sides are choosing to "sacrifice" themselves for what they believe is a just cause and best for their people--and in most cases do what they believe is necessary to "defeat" the opposition. I personally see all sides, choosing, of their own free will, to "martyr" their lives for what they believed was in the best interests of their people. I have no doubt that whatever they did, they will be viewed by many of their own as their heroes.

However,there are international rules and laws of engagement, and if they are true "martyrs" for their people, and have the best interests of their people in their hearts--they should all step up and face the "music" and let the laws and history judge them.

To answer your question from a Serbian people's perspective is very easy. They have every reason, given the recent biased history of the Hague Tribunal towards them not to trust that "circus", especially given the fact that the major players chose not to recognize that court for their own deeds.
On the other hand, the recent history of that "circus" has been nothing other than favorable for the Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats. So what's your excuse for not giving up your own. Tell us,PLEASE.
Maybe by Mladich not surrendering himself he feels that he is still doing the best thing for his people by hindering Serbia's path to the EU.

It's nothing Serb specific, though: Exactly the same reactions (maybe even more extreme) you can currently find amongst the Kosovo Albanians and their great 'hero' Thaci and his 'anti-independy network' fairy tale.
(Top, 27 December 2010 16:49)

Nice try. Thaci is right there for any one to prove his guilt. Mladic is living in the sewers with the rats.

Bad comparison, maybe better next time.

Nice try. Thaci is right there for any one to prove his guilt.
(miri, 27 December 2010 18:57)
--
Really? The question being is will he allow a proper investigation to proceed considering what Carla Del Ponte said. I quote:

"The former Hague Tribunal chief prosecutor added that the tribunal’s personnel had been very seriously threatened by the Albanian mafia and former KLA operatives when they attempted to conduct the investigation into organ trafficking accusations in 2004."

Check http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=22&nav_id=71679

BTW, Mladic is probably living a comfortable life in Russia while the sell-outs sweat it here in Serbia.

Just look at the comment below, many nationalistic extremists consider those criminals heroes, freedom fighters, defender of 'Serbdom', and some more other nonsense. They believer they are innocent, the investigators are 'anti-serbian' and it's only a big conspiracy theory: The whole world is against 'us'.
(Top, 27 December 2010 16:49)
--
I don't think you've been following closely Top. Serbians have always admitted that crimes have been committed so if justice is to be served then do it in a court that serves it universally and not selectively. If you think the NATO court in the Hague is impartial then you really are misguided.

Look at the patterns. Why is Seselj still on trial after 7 years? Why did it take 4 years to even start it after he voluntarily surrendered? In 2009, with only 7 hours left with the prosecution and having no intention of providing a defence he case still hasn't finished. It's nearly 2011!

Now listen to this - "The presiding judge however has declared he no longer wants a part of the trial as he deems it immoral and irrational as there is no way he can justly find Šešelj guilty."

Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seselj

Now what about Milosevic?

Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FusfOqCtqc (there are 5 parts to that documentary)

And what about witness intimidation? Here, check http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/08/icty-orders-independent-investigation-of-witness-intimidation-at-seselj-trial.php

I quote:

"Spokesperson Christian Chartier noted that, following the independent investigation, due within six months, the court will determine if there are sufficient grounds to initiate contempt proceedings against investigators. According to statements sent to the court by Seselj, witnesses claimed that they were subject to sleep deprivation, pressured during interviews, blackmailed, threatened and offered illegal payments of money, and that their statements were not read before being signed."

Look for the same allegations in the Milosevic videos above. There are more than one.

So, hey, if you want justice then lets see a court that serves it universally. Then we can get Bush, Bliar, Clinton, Clark, Albright and the Albanian mafia just for starters. If you want selective justice then forget about it. That's the point Top, something you seem to avoid. We reject selective justice.

Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven.

"Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven. "
(Drownotherday, 27 December 2010 11:18)

Just look at the comment below, many nationalistic extremists consider those criminals heroes, freedom fighters, defender of 'Serbdom', and some more other nonsense. They believer they are innocent, the investigators are 'anti-serbian' and it's only a big conspiracy theory: The whole world is against 'us'.

It's nothing Serb specific, though: Exactly the same reactions (maybe even more extreme) you can currently find amongst the Kosovo Albanians and their great 'hero' Thaci and his 'anti-independy network' fairy tale.

"Nice try. Thaci is right there for any one to prove his guilt. Mladic is living in the sewers with the rats.
Bad comparison, maybe better next time."
(miri, 27 December 2010 18:57)
Correct, that's a big difference: One is hiding to escape justice, one is insulting and threatening everyone who wants to
investigate in his case. But in the end, the similarities are bigger: Both are 'innocent' (i.e. no court has convicted them), both are considered "heroes" and "fighters for freedom", and both have followers that help and protect them.

Maybe by Mladich not surrendering himself he feels that he is still doing the best thing for his people by hindering Serbia's path to the EU.
(personal opinion, 27 December 2010 16:04)

I think, Mladić does not care less about EU or not. Besides being an accused - is also a very important witness. He could turn into a nightmare because he was a soldier and close to what happened on both sides.

Mladić being on the run by no means is in the interest of the current regime in Belgrade. Or even the Serbian or Russian security apparat in general. Maybe some lower or mid-rank Serbian officers.

In 2010 Mladić being "on the run" is in the interest of highest-level "Western" diplomacy, in particular Dutch and American. Mladić is probably less afraid of the court than of some unexplainable accidents - simply because he knows too much.

That's my personal opinion, but let's see how it develops.

Why are people aiding people accused of genocide is really really beyond me.
Especially real guilty ones who are on the run in their own heaven.
(Drownotherday, 27 December 2010 11:18)

See, I have PRECISELY the same question. ;-)