Daily: Albanian PM trafficked arms

Is it news that guns were smuggled from Albania into Kosovo? Guns don't grown on trees, and if you want to liberate your country from a violent oppressor you have to get the guns from somewhere. Conveniently, the Albanian state was collapsing at just the right moment.

Oh really? How terrible. And really as if Berisha as an oppositionist needed to be "smuggling" arms to the oppressed Kosovars when the Albanian SP govt. of the time was openly supporting their just struggle (actually I seem to remember Berisha calling the KLA "Arkan's men").

Funny also, I seem to remember the Serbian side "smuggling" rather a lot of arms into Kosovo at the time, such as hundreds of tanks, thousands and thousands of artillery pieces, warplanes etc, as well as lots of murderous Arkan-style thugs, yet you cry about the Albanians getting a bunch of Kalashnikovs from looted armouries to pdefend themselves and pretend it's all a scandal that Albanians should be ashamed of. You're pathetic.

Albanians have always been and will always be run by criminals.

holy moly.

the desperate reek of propaganda is overwhelming.

wow what a report serbian disneyland-hollywood with propaganda in action with their daly disneyland-reports

"The war in Kosovo started a year later, in the spring of 1999, and a recent report said that the KLA kidnapped Serbs and other civilians during that year and 2000, imprisoned them and had their organs removed in northern Albania, to sell the prisoners' body parts in the black market. "

Wow what a report, George Clooney could not have done a better job for the Serbian tv audience :D

What is the discovery here? In 1997 Albania became lawless due to the collapse of pyramid schemes. The army practically was dismantledas people looted weapons. On the otherside in Kosovo were ethnic cleansing against the Kosovo Albanians orchesrated by the Serbian state of Milloshevic. In these circumstances what you expect? To stand still and watch your house being burned down and your family members being murdered and violated.....? Accept the massacres against you and your people...? "Signed agreement" for buying arms in a very troubled region....Who troubled it...? We can agreed to disagree all day and nights. The history is written.

So what? Too bad they didnt gave those weapons for free instead made themselfs quite a alot of money, now thats low for being an Albanian while the war took place in Kosovo.

Berisha has a bank account in Germany ? Guys don't you think if that was true would have already come out from a while since the guy has 20 years in politics. If you wanna be credible switzerland sounds better than Germany

I say good on him. We were lucky we had our motherland next to us to help us in this matter.like Pejoni though I would have giving them buy 1 get 1 free:)

The article and many a like are simply now a matter of systematic propaganda that are coming back from the Slobo era.

We all know this is old news and nothing new has been discovered. The only difference Serbian gov along with the media are making sure this subject gets repeated, not for justice, but to try a damage the Albanians moral ethics.

By far I'm not defending the possibility that the organ trade took place but you should all ask your self all this has being going on for to long for not a single factual proof to be proven, my opinion cause there is none and all this is just damaging PR against the 'other'.

To all Albanian deniers and appologetics on this site: Is it not better to stop your pointless rant and say yes lets investigate all accussed and see what happens?
If they are not guilty let them defend it in the court of law and surely all such will be released? But you fear that the truth about your "cause" and all dirt around it might be releaved?
Ah this justice, it is slow but it hits you when you least expect innit.

Good job Serbs. You are getting very close to rediscover that Albanians have tails under their pants like you did during early decades of last century. The problem is that Albanians are a reality in Balkans. It is up to you to decide how you want to deal with this reality. To say the truth, we from Kosovo often find it very difficult to convince Albanians from Albania that Serbs hate us to death, and that Serbs are going to be happy only if all Albanians are wiped out from Balkans. Trying to involve all Albanian leaders in crimes concludes that Serbs are in a panic. You should not worry because you do not have what to lose while you last everything regarding Kosovo. This is not going to help believe me. You are making Albanians get unique. You are helping Thaci and Berisha to stay in power longer than they expect. They should thank you for that.

Serbia we cannot thank you enough for these past few weeks. Your smear campaign against Albania and Albanians has done wonders for us. This has alerted the whole of the Albanian nation as to what we have to expect in the future from Serbia. This supposedly "brilliant" campaign according to your Foreign Minister ( one that was raped in Cambridge for pleasure, on his part of course ), has increased Albanian nationalism by 10 fold margin. Now 90 per cent of Albanians expect nothing but war with Serbia. Remember you have never won against Albania.

This story has hit a raw never with the Albanians.

Good one US of A, you have picked a great ally for yourself eh? Body parts, arms trafficing, drugs.

Albanians have always been and will always be run by criminals.
(szemi, 27 December 2010 11:57)

And some are even proud of it. Yuck.

As a Socialist supporter I never thought too highly of Berisha, but he just earned my respect.
Now if he could just start arming the Albanian in Macedonia, I'd vote for him.

What a huge surprise...NOT!

This news is just making it official.
Everyone knew/knows that criminals they have in albanian politics. Infact, its a prerequisite.
Berisha has just as much blood on his hands as the Snake/Thaci.

They both should be exposed for the monsters they are.
Then, executed for their heinous crimes!
It is the only objective solution.

Definitely Berisha will get my vote....tho i doubt on every thing Serb media says.
@Szem,Jez aka Ataman
I don't care what u guys say,we were in war..

It looks like lately the serbs have started to attack albanian leaders to destroy their credibility and make them look bad in the public face.
I am afraid that this will hit back to serbs just like the ICJ ruling and the Un resolution did.
I think that the serb leaders should look forward and should stop playing with the past because the past is where the serbs are the biggest loosers.

So? Nothing new here, Berisha admited himself that he broke the embargo by giving guns to bosniaks and croats in 1995, also he admited that in early 90s he gave yugoslavs oil in turn of providing heating during the winter for Albanian homes and cities, it is weird though... Berisha had no power during the Kosovo war, and in that period Berisha and Socialists were pretty harsh against each other, it is most probable that Berisha did not do a great deal at that time, but the Socialist ruling party of that time surely gave a lot of guns to UCK...actually Berisha is not my favourite politician, but if all of this is true, then he has my vote in the following elections. If the Daily news reporters go and ask our politicians themselves, our politicians would confirm that they gave guns to UCK, yeah a lot of guns, and they are proud of that. About money ending up in politican pockets, of course they would refuse such thing to have happened, but who cares anyway...they are politicians, they work hard and their salary is very low so... xD

Ironic though...it was the foreign sectret agencies that contributed to civil war in Albania in 1997...appearently they failed to carve Albania into two or three pieces, i remeber the same media which are anouncing dick martin reports with sirens...in 1997 the same media were repeating in their news three times a day that catholics in north, muslims in center and orthodox in south will have their own states in Albania..... the conflict had nothing to do with religion, though, in some other media, especially the greek, they were saying how socialists will create their own state in south and democrats in north...our enemies not only failed to carve Albania, but they cotributed to the flooding with guns to other regions such Kosovo, Fyrom and Presevo valley...don't blame Albanians, blame the ones who were responsible for 1997 unrest, Serbia and Greece are on top of the list of countries which contributed to Albanian Tragedy of 1997...then events backfired like a boomerang...

This only shows how desperate Serbs are. Few days ago Serbs of so-called RS accused Croatia and Bosnia for stealing organs from Serbs.

Really, you're surprised that arms were moved from Albania to Kosova when the Serbs where killing our people there? If Serbia today is moving its arms to Afghanistan and yesterday to Iraq, then why the surprise? What did you expect flowers being sent instead? Of course that will always be the case. If at any time Serbia attacks the Albanian people, it is the highest treachery of any Albanian not to do anything about it. It is especially treacherous if you're a high ranking politician and you watch your own kin being slaughtered in Kosova and do nothing about it. News flash. Arms where also moved from other countries into Kosova. Hit google. There's even documentaries about it. Cargo airplanes where used to bring them to Kosova. This was a war where the whole Albanian nation did its part to make sure Albanians survived in Kosova. Meaning Albania sent arms, the diaspora sent money and children to fight, and as a nation we made sure everyone in the world saw what was happening. This was a war by the people for the people. That is why any attempt to ostracize the KLA will be met with the wrath of our people, our nation. We as a nation fought for our freedom. If you on the other hand have proof against specific people then you go ahead. However, if you attempt to ostracize our people's struggle for freedom and liberty you will have the whole Albanian nation go against such attempts. This is why there is such a unification in Thaci's case. That is not because people care much about him. It is simply because Serbia and Marti by not showing any evidence whatsoever are attempting to make this not about Thaci but about our struggle for survival and liberty. They're attempting to ostracize our fight for freedom rather than ostracize Thaci personally.

P.S There's plenty of mountains in Albania filled with arms. They will always be at the disposal of Kosova should Serbia attempt anything.

I KNEW IT. The Albanian elites have sunk to new lows of morbid perfidity. Let Orthodox-Slavic brothers bring down the entire Albanian power-elites from Mitrovica to Tetovo to Gjirokaster!

A mirage is characterized by vanishing when you approach it.You need not approach to a special patch of land to see that it disappears. That patch of land is called independent state of Kosovo, with breakdown of law and order, run by criminals and mafia. They have no respect for humanity. They have committed atrocious crimes since they came to power. They act as if they had never heard of God’s Commandments. They act as if they were Satan’s Disciples. They assume that the devil is not so black as it is painted. Maybe they consider their acts as charitable. That is why they extracted human organs from Serbs and sold them inexpensively, low- priced. Now when they realized that they are out of favour of their sponsors,they charge Serbs and Dick Marty assuming that the best way to defend themselves is to charge the other party.

Much ado about nothing

Winston:
“how could the serbs have been smuggling arms into their own province? do you ever think before you hit send? Why was a high ranking politician, from a neighboring state smuggling arms to terrorists, to fight a civil war that did not include his own country? That, Dim, is criminal activity. I realize that kosovo and Albania are full of Albanians, but they are divide by sovereign boundaries.”

Ditch the legalese lesson kindly Winston, I am well aware of the theoretical “sovereign boundaries” at the time, which is why I put “quotation marks” about the word “smuggling” in reference to the Serbian arms in Kosova, however, the points being:
(a) the state of “sovereignty” of Serbia over Kosova was never recognized by the population there, but in any case, after the suppression of Kosova’s constitutional status in 1989-90 by the Milosevic counterrevolution, the actual state of affairs with regard to ‘sovereignty” was henceforth entirely illegal and thus the Albanian population had every constitutional right to rebel against this illegal authority, first peacefully for a decade, and then when that got nowhere, with arms. That is NOT a justification for any tactic employed with such arms, but overall the right to struggle was undeniable and the violations on both sides were ultimately the responsibility of the oppressor
(b) I don’t see that having billions of dollars of massive military equipment of the type I described the massacre the people with is any more legitimate even if it is inside your “own” “sovereign” bounds (ie, even assuming that it was for a moment), thus my comparison of Serbia’s “smuggling” of all these hundreds and thousands of tanks, artillery pieces, warplanes, mindless paramilitary monsters etc into “its own” Kosovo with the alleged “smuggling” of thousands of old looted Kalashnikovs by the Albanians “across borders.” Just my philosophy bud, applies elsewhere in the world too.

Incidentally, on the last point, for all the rhetoric we hear, from “NATO arming the KLA” to “Al Qaida arming the KLA”, did anyone ever see any footage of Albanian fighters with anything other than the Kalashnikovs well-known to have been looted during the collapse of the Albanian state in 1997? I mean, apart from the odd obviously staged propaganda shot?

Winston:
“Obviously, Berisha did not respect those lines, as he allowed the KLA to perform organ harvesting on his soil, and supplied them with arms.”

Ah yes, brilliant again Win. That would be Berisha, the guy who lost power in 1997 and didn’t regain it until 2005, “allowing” the KLA to harvest organs (“the then president”, as a recent silly article stated), and supplying the KLA with arms, even though it was actually the Albanian mass uprising against Berisha’s regime over the pyramid scandal that led to these same uprisers looting the armouries and passing them on to the KLA. Loving the logic more and more.

So what, Long Live ALBANIA and all Albanians

DimWit, how could the serbs have been smuggling arms into their own province? do you ever think before you hit send? Why was a high ranking politician, from a neighboring state smubbling arms to terrorists, to fight a civil war that did not include his own country? That, Dim, is criminal activity. I realize that kosovo and Albania are full of Albanians, but they are divide by sovereign boudaries. Obviously, Berisha did not respect those lines, as he allowed the KLA to perform organ harvesting on his soil, and supplied them with arms. All of these terrorist activites by the Albanians that are coming to light will put a freeze on Kosovo's independence. How many more recognitions does Pristina and Tirana expect now?

finally the Truth comes out!
some months ago on some forum or Youtube, Albanians there where screaming/laughing /boasting about the fact that they moved all their communist weapons to kosovo from 1996/1997/1998 and kosovo is albania blah blah blah crap..., But now can I see how it happened, Berisha was a politician at that time and had much influence there so its not difficult for him and his partners to smuggle the weapons out of albania.
(that's why I always say if stupid Milosevic took a military action before 1996 to eliminate the KLA then we wouldn't have this semi-independent kosovo).

Is this it! is this what the 'Serbian War Crimes prosecution' has determined. Well good luck winning the case, which looks as being built with information 'all over' with regards to proof on the 'organ case'. Loughably sad, though thoroughly entertaining. Keep it up;)

Now if he could just start arming the Albanian in Macedonia, I'd vote for him.
(Zoti, 27 December 2010 18:22)
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It's good to see our Albanian friends here freely expressing themselves. I think if they continue following the path of the nationalists - sooner or later they'll all realise their dream of living in the same country... just not in the way they expected. ;)

Albanian PM trafficked arms
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LOL, what next? Leg trafficking?

''Say, 40 years ago someone will tell you: "Within 40 years official America will support bolsheviks and people close to Enver Hoxha in their struggle against Christians" - than you will think, that guy is nuts.

Democracy, freedom, progress is NOT THE MONOPOLY OF AMERICAN ESTABLISHMENT. ''

E.Hoxha kindaa had his own vision of communism, even Bolsheviks would tremble before Uncle Enver :]....LOL ''against christians''? Enver couldn't care less about religions, he despised religion in all kind of forms,...he was a hardcore atheist..also, if you know Hoxha to well, you would know that after 60s the greatest threat to Hoxha was Russia, not the US, actually after 60s, when E.H. kicked Russian fleet out of otranto , it was more convinient for USA that E.H. stayed in power, that is probaly why USA stoped paraschuting Albanian nationalists oust E.H... if we go back in time, we have to thank yugoslavs and druje tito for Hoxha, our neighbours brought us nothing but tragedies...Had english not supported Tito and Hoxha, Balli Kombtar and the Royalists would have taken power, but i don't think you would have liked that scenario...

Im curious of sth, i have the feeling that Jezki Bolsevisky lives abroad, any , i have the feeling many Serbs live in the US, how come doubt the democracy, freedom and progress of USA if you chose to live there insead of China let s say..., personally i never been to USA, and i do not intend to visit it, maybe when my finances suit someday, but as far as i heard from people, USA is still the land of opurtinities. Yet, i hope, i will never have to leave my country.

hehehe, the best weapons were brought from USA- 0.50 caliber and they did a lot of damage to Slobo's army from 1-2km away (they are still buried somewhere). The next best weapons were bought from Serbian mafia (yes, 100% true), Croatia and Ukraine. Percentage wise probably 90% of the weapons were Serbian.

Do you honestly think that this is bad? This only helps Berisha, but it isn't the truth.

I must admit to having some sympathy to the Albanian position here.

Its true that these allegations are not new - ie that weapons were smuggled over the border from Albania to arm the KLA etc. But hey weapons were smuggled from Hungary to arm Croatia, but there is no mention of that illegal action.

On the other hand this is politics and Serbia has been on the back foot for so long with the Kosovo issue its hardly suprising that every single potential advantage is being pressed right now. And yes it does look something like a smear campaign ie 2 ethnic Albanian Prime Ministers equals 2 criminals. But its all action to reaction. This is happening because Kosovo status is unresolved - it would not be happening otherwise.

Let me remind Albanians who think this is only the tactic of evil Serbs in exaggerating / creating propoganda. Remember the mysterious poisoning of the children many years ago? And remember the mysterious drowning of Albanian children which led to the pogrom against Serbs a few years ago? Both sides play politics.

All of this is because we still have a major issue to deal with and it will continue until that is resolved.

Don't think for a second that most people in Serbia care whether Kosovo and Albania are united. If that is the price to pay for N Mitrovica etc, Serbia won't care.

It might feel great to unify Albanian sentiment, but that actually puts you guys on a collision course with the international community, not Serbia.

"Good job Serbs. You are getting very close to rediscover that Albanians have tails under their pants like you did during early decades of last century. The problem is that Albanians are a reality in Balkans. It is up to you to decide how you want to deal with this reality."

these stories are getting better and better. Here is some "reality" for you.
1) Sorry, you can't lie your way to statehood anymore. You are losing your propaganda war now and it just bothers you. Your leaders are nothing but a gang of criminals who were protected by corrupted, western politicians that have been exposed by their comrades who have grown tired of paying for your pseudo-statelet. Get ready to be bayonetted by your western friends to propose a partition.
2) The only "reality" the Serbs have to deal with is that the usa is a global nuclear power who decided to bankrupt itself protecting bums like you and trying to take over the middle east. A "reality" you have to face is what does obama care about more - saving his presidency OR propping up losers like you. He can't afford both. Ever hear of a country called Cambodia?
3) It appears the world is blaming the usa for the current economic crisis and more countries are refusing to follow america's failed leadership. Unfortunately for you, this will blowback into your faces. This is what happens when you depend upon a bully to do your fighting for you - when the bully dies, you get destroyed.

Dear JohnBoy,

I understand. The world is corrupted (USA, England, Franc, Germany etc.) only Serbia and Russia are not. Is not healthy to try to argue with you anymore about that.
However I own you some explanation. We lived in the same country, and we know how “uncorrupted” your justice system is. Before the war I was a student in Pristina. At least two times happened to me that your police stopped me and took all the money from my pocket while entering the city from Bus station. They robbed poor Albanian students because they know that as Albanian student we were afraid to go and complain to the policy station for that. My brother who lives in Croatia travels often through Serbia. He can drive as fast as he wants in your highway, all he have to do if the police stop him is just give them 10 euro eventually 20 and he is all set. No ticket no nothing. He cannot do that with Kosovo police. KLA of Podujevo even during the war was able to corrupt Serbs and buy weapons from them. Even today if an Albanian need something from Serbia, like a fake document to proof for some property he always can find officials in Serbia who can get corrupted for few euros. We know you. I do not know if you know yourself. Ask Serbs who travel to Kosovo nowadays if they see any difference. Our “corrupted” government is building roads and highways that Kosovo never had while governed by Serbia. The only four lane road at that time was the road Pristina – Kosovo polje (3 km long). Please talk to Serbs who travel to Kosovo now if they see any difference.

This "High Albania" I mentioned in another thread discusses the origins of the different families in Northern Albania according to their traditions. The Berishas had no stories of having come from anywhere (most had come from Bosnia, fleeing the Turks): the Berishas had always been there. No surprise it was a Berisha then that took responsibility for arming the Albanians in Kosovo.

It's good to see our Albanian friends here freely expressing themselves. I think if they continue following the path of the nationalists - sooner or later they'll all realise their dream of living in the same country... just not in the way they expected. ;)
(Zoran, 27 December 2010)

I catch your drift Zoran and I'd have to say I agree with you. I'd love to live under Serbs for a while.

A Turkish friend of mine told me once "Kosova's independence was your biggest mistake. In 50 years you could have had ALL of Serbia". Come to think of it he might have been right. I'd like for you to incorporate 6 million Albanians in Serbia cause then we'll deal differently with you.

According to you 20% of the Albanian population overtook Kosova in a little over 50 years with the result today of 90%+ Albanians in ksoova. A Serbia with a 40% Albanian population doesn't stand a chance just like Macedonia won't.

Be careful what you wish for.

No news ober salih Berisha: diesel, arms with agron Musaraj, Azem Hajdari, Salih Berisha, Famtmir Mediu! Albanian Mafia Buseness in tradition. all is written in OSCE Reports in 1998, Secret reports in 1997 and later.

"Good one US of A, you have picked a great ally for yourself eh? Body parts, arms trafficing, drugs.
(sj, 27 December 2010 12:40) "

And how much of this propaganda is aired precisely because they are supported by America? If they can take it, we certainly can.

Right country, wrong address. It was under Prime Minister F.Nano's watch that the transfer of weapons was tolerated. KLA has always been close to the Socialist Party of Albania, and has never had any love for Sali Berisha whom it deems to be a pro-serb character. That is the arkane nature of Albanian politics which is beyond the capacity of Slavs and Greeks to grasp fully as this Serb newspaper clearly shows

"Its true that these allegations are not new - ie that weapons were smuggled over the border from Albania to arm the KLA etc. But hey weapons were smuggled from Hungary to arm Croatia, but there is no mention of that illegal action. "

bganon,

these are not just allegations, most of this is true. That KLA bought guns in Albania is no secret. That Berisha is involved will be harder to prove though in my opinion. The state in Albania simply collapsed, disappeared. The army too, so it is hard to distinguish between orders and initiatives of private individuals. The Serbian prosecution might have more luck in connecting Berisha with the oil traffic during the embargo on ex Yugoslavia during the 1992-1995 wars, when Berisha was in power and a minimal state existed. There are tales of lines of 40 km of trucks at the border with Montenegro, breaking the embargo, selling oil to Serbia, Milosevic, and Arkan. These are just rumors though, and I suspect the people who made money back then are still strong in both Serbia and Albania, so no .

Anyway, I think this is just an article from a newspaper in Serbia and it must be thought as just that in my opinion, a newspaper article, not the official position of Serbia. After all Tadic will go to Tirana soon I hear. One curiosity I have though about the media in Serbia is: did the wikileaks document on the traffic of arms of 95 million dollar value from Serbia to Yemen make the news on any media in Serbia? The Americans were really worried if I remember correctly, because Yemen is a region where al Qaeda is apparently very strong. In fact the latest attacks seem to have strong connections to Yemen. Just wondering.

I am a bit confused with Serbian medias, they do write and talk more about Albanian,Kosovan and Croatian PMs than Serbian Politicians. I bet if Albanian PM was going to run for election in Serbia he will get more votes than any politician in Serbia as people there read more about Berisha .......
It seems to me that they are using the old Soviet tactics which is and would be very damaging for Serbia.

"Once a commie - always commie. Like... like this guy - look at his early carrier:"

It's a funny comment comming from a Russian. So according to your own logic, a commie is good if he serves the Russians, and bad if he serves the Americans - and god forbid if he serves his own country. Here's another link for you: http://mt.iq-test.eu/stats/

Ye so what if he sold weapons to the KLA wouldn't anyone do the same for their people? and also alot of KLA soldiers were from albania

Really reading serbian media is fun these days!
Now we have another story involving our PM!
But you forget some true and veridic other important things about our PM:he was the one that sell oil to Milosevic,when embargo was decreted against serbia.He was the one who meet Arkan(ask Ceca what was she doing in albania with arkan then).His minister and his daughter are the ones who did contribute to marty report and unmik file against limaj haradinaj and thaci,because then our PM was a supporter of the Fark and not of the UCK(he did put in jail Adem Jashari)...Why,because Berisha is your man,paid by your ambassy and is enrlled in your UDB.But now,you do not need him,-you have ilir meta who is in charge of all the sectors in which your maffia is intered too(energy,mining etc)and i am please that you begin to want toget rid of him and reveal his actions.
PS:nick even if my english is not as good as yours,please don't use it as a pretext not to address the real problems

No surprise it was a Berisha then that took responsibility for arming the Albanians in Kosovo.
(Amer, 27 December 2010 21:50)

... and kissing the but of Enver Hoxha as he was his doctor, not only "just" a Party Secretary at the university.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sali_Berisha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sali_Berisha

Once a commie - always commie. Like... like this guy - look at his early carrier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Thaci
"he became one of the founders of the People's Movement of Kosovo" ... which is a Leninist party.

And why now Americans are supporting (ex)Lenin-boys? Why not in 60-s, LOL? Just because these bolsheviks are against Russia's interests? Don't lie to yourself, just say honestly "yes". But than think, how much sense all this has, it's the world staying on it's head.

Say, 40 years ago someone will tell you: "Within 40 years official America will support bolsheviks and people close to Enver Hoxha in their struggle against Christians" - than you will think, that guy is nuts.

Democracy, freedom, progress is NOT THE MONOPOLY OF AMERICAN ESTABLISHMENT. American Establishment - like one of every country is supporting whatever force is most convenient for the perceived short-term OWN benefits and secondary the perceived short-term benefits of the country they believe to serve. I am not sure, it's our patriotic duty to cheer for them.

Yes, Berisha broke the embargo and gave fuel to Serbia...but he also gave away guns to bosniaks and croats, practically i would done the same ...throw benzene to the Yugoslavian fire... the more the war lasted in Bosnia and Croatia, the better for Albania and Kosovo...Also there are voices that Berisha made a secret pact of piece with Serbia and Fyrom back then to prevent a war in Kosovo and Fyrom from happening...i would have done the same, war is not good, a good politician is the one who avoids war ...it was early 90s, it does not mean that Berisha is a traitor or a Serb agent, he did what was best for the time, maybe if war in Kosovo happened simultanously to the war in Bosnia would harm Serbia more, but back then, our politicans hoped for a peaceful solution...but Milosevic would not agree, after securing RS territories in Dayton, he looked south ... Dayton a victory for Serbs...

zoran,
we do know how to deal even in these circumstances ,don't worry for us.You have already tried this and you failed!You should understand know that what you have not managed to do for centuries(when you had all your army and your forces against albanians)will be impossible to do now that albanians are no longer under your oppression!You should stop your vain battles...You have lost kosovo,better accept it,unless you want your situation going worse in serbia.You do not have yu now to engage an other effort for war,while on the contrary albanian situation has greatly improved!

"Interesting though I watched a fictional TV program in the US last night and it was about a Serb who tortured and raped and killed in Kosovo andthen fled to the US after assuming the name of one of the Albanians he had killed in order to escape the possibility of being charged with war crimes. But 10 years later he had to kill a family that recognized him in NY."

-- I seem to remember something very similar from Law and Order.

no jovan,i am not paid as propagandist:i am albanian and do it for free!
Optimist we were even when you thought that never never kosovars will dare to oppose you...Each time you have tried,each time it has been worse for you

"[Thaci] became one of the founders of the People's Movement of Kosovo" ... which is a Leninist party.

And why now Americans are supporting (ex)Lenin-boys? Why not in 60-s, LOL? Just because these bolsheviks are against Russia's interests? Don't lie to yourself, just say honestly "yes". But than think, how much sense all this has, it's the world staying on it's head.

(Je¿ bolszewiczny, 28 December 2010 00:19) "

"Leninist" in Kosovo in those days meant non-Serbian - I don't think the precise tenets of the beliefs were important. There were lots of students who claimed to admire Enver Hoxha who really had no idea what he was doing in Albania. It was in independent Albania, and that was enough for them.

What's more important than the party (or Party) people belonged to then is what they stand for today.

As for the 60's - they were Leninists then; now everybody is an ex-Leninist.

(sj, 28 December 2010 05:10)
All the US has to do in defense is say these are serious allegations-where is the proof?
Saying more just keeps the item in the media (Serbias goal) without concrete evidence it is just going to die away.
Interesting though I watched a fictional TV program in the US last night and it was about a Serb who tortured and raped and killed in Kosovo andthen fled to the US after assuming the name of one of the Albanians he had killed in order to escape the possibility of being charged with war crimes. But 10 years later he had to kill a family that recognized him in NY.
This could explain the 500 missing Serbs at the end of the war (more believable than the organ harvesting) maybe someone should mail a copy to the CoE when they discuss the allegations.

Was the movie based on a true story?
(iliri, 28 December 2010 18:19)
Most of these shows have a disclaimer but the storyline is derived from actual situations.
Even if not it still is more credible than 75 dialysis pats being delivered to a place in Albania at the same time that 75 Serbian prisoners were taken there, doesn't it?

Only the stupid Americans need a boogeyman to scare their population who think that if they sail out of San Francisco bay they fall off the end of the earth.
As far as being drunkards, I strongly suggest that the US army buy all the Serbian sljivovica as soon as possible and give it to their troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and maybe they will improve their performance on the battle field. Because the Serbs did more drunk that the US sober.
The organ harvesting is true and it’s common knowledge by amongst the secret services in the EU, US, Russia and Serbia. The US knew that Thaci was a drug-running criminal from the start, but they picked him and now they are very, very quiet thinking they will be over looked.
“…All the US has to do in defense is say these are serious allegations-where is the proof……”
This is the most dangerous time for the US. If it demands proof and the evidence implicates the US then it’s a mess it can’t get out of. There is an old saying in law “never ask a question you don’t know the answer to”.
Everything in good time.
(sj, 29 December 2010 05:20)
Of course you would deny the need for proof, have you ever been able to prove anything you have posted=nay. And where was it you learned of this inside information of the secret services. Must have been between your other stints you were actually a double agent.(definitely a joke if you did nto recognize it)
Glad you have such high respect for the drunken Serb military as they are on the outside of the Kosovo boundaries and who is on the inside. They did very well.

Funny also, I seem to remember the Serbian side "smuggling" rather a lot of arms into Kosovo at the time, such as hundreds of tanks, thousands and thousands of artillery pieces, warplanes etc, as well as lots of murderous Arkan-style thugs, yet you cry about the Albanians getting a bunch of Kalashnikovs from looted armouries to pdefend themselves and pretend it's all a scandal that Albanians should be ashamed of. You're pathetic.
(DimTuc, 27 December 2010 12:42)

Listen Dimwit, Kosovo is Serbian territory so we can bring in what we like.

Serbia we cannot thank you enough for these past few weeks. Your smear campaign against Albania and Albanians has done wonders for us. This has alerted the whole of the Albanian nation as to what we have to expect in the future from Serbia. This supposedly "brilliant" campaign according to your Foreign Minister ( one that was raped in Cambridge for pleasure, on his part of course ), has increased Albanian nationalism by 10 fold margin. Now 90 per cent of Albanians expect nothing but war with Serbia. Remember you have never won against Albania.
(Arber Illyria, 27 December 2010 15:49)

Yes but are the goats and donkeys ready? Or do you expect NATO to come to your aid?” Time to wake up and stop dreaming.

P.S There's plenty of mountains in Albania filled with arms. They will always be at the disposal of Kosova should Serbia attempt anything.
(johny, 27 December 2010 18:37)

We are shivering in our boots with the very thought of cranky Albanians with a few AK47s mounted on donkeys.
This story seems to have you guys on the run, ha, ha, ha, ha. Why worry? Don’t you have the US on your side?
You never reveal all of your evidence at once, but let it trickle out slowly for greater effect. You’ll find that there is plenty of proof and I’ve noticed that even the US is keeping very quiet.
hehehe, the best weapons were brought from USA- 0.50 caliber and they did a lot of damage to Slobo's army from 1-2km away (they are still buried somewhere). The next best weapons were bought from Serbian mafia (yes, 100% true), Croatia and Ukraine. Percentage wise probably 90% of the weapons were Serbian.

''I watched a fictional TV program in the US last night and it was about a Serb who tortured and raped and killed in Kosovo andthen fled to the US after assuming the name of one of the Albanians he had killed in order to escape the possibility of being charged with war crimes. But 10 years later he had to kill a family that recognized him in NY.

(pss, 28 December 2010 17:09) ''

Was the movie based on a true story?

And how much of this propaganda is aired precisely because they are supported by America? If they can take it, we certainly can.
(Amer, 27 December 2010 22:12)

Funny your Albanian brothers don’t share your attitude. They seem to be extremely concerned over the bad publicity.
The US windbags are terribly quiet over all of this; are they trying to stand back and let you guys take all the fall???. Surely they would defend their brothers in arms.

It looks like lately the serbs have started to attack albanian leaders to destroy their credibility and make them look bad in the public face. I am afraid that this will hit back to serbs just like the ICJ ruling and the Un resolution did. I think that the serb leaders should look forward and should stop playing with the past because the past is where the serbs are the biggest loosers. (montenegrin, 28 December 2010 00:13

Ahh, I see another Albanian hiding behind a Serbian name - montenegrin. Stand up and be counted; if you’re an Albanian say so.
Yes, we lost the ICJ, but go back and ask the ICJ to declare Kosovo’s independence and see how far you get – the US would shoot the lot of your Albanians before that happens.
You can keep the EU – it’s BROKE. Latest news is that Spain has to have an assistance package so that means even less money for the Albanians in Kosovo.

when I read lili´s last comment, I couldn´t but ask myself whether she or he is a paid propagandist.

who would write these poor paroles and calls for perserverance at all!?

times will change, lili, and then we will see whether you will still be such an optimist...

just a question of time.

ps: the latest news about Albanians killing Serbs and other Albanians in order to sell their organs did a great job within my circle of friends whith whom I never speak about southern Serbia.

they almost all approached me and told me that they didn´t know what was going on "down there" and that they have changed their minds.

I think that is only the beginning, lili.

only the beginning...

-- I seem to remember something very similar from Law and Order.
(johny, 28 December 2010 18:50)

Lol; why does this get a negative vote? Law and Order has several stories about the balkans. Its not my fault the writers of this show like to write about it.

''She gave birth alright, but the child was BLACK – naturally it was quickly hushed up by the freedom-loving democracy of the US. ''

Many gypcies were recruited by Serbian Army...along with hooligans, street bums, drunks, mugs, romanians...and other kind of people from shores of Danube ...one of the main issues concerning human rights in Kosovo is the issue of displaced gycpies...you don't need deduction skills to know why is that so...

As a Socialist supporter I never thought too highly of Berisha, but he just earned my respect.
Now if he could just start arming the Albanian in Macedonia, I'd vote for him.
(Zoti, 27 December 2010 18:22)

Yes, Albanians here on B92 are mostly very peaceful kind of people, you look like that peaceful little Japanese boy in 1905, dropped like a hot cake after Pearl Harbor.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1899/screenshot20101225at206.jpg

But you know that at one point you have to deal with that guy on the left, don't you?

(pss, 28 December 210 17:09)
Hey, take it easy there is plenty of time for the evidence to come out. What’s the hurry? We Serbs put up with western BS for 20 years and have come out stronger than before so I suggest that you stop squealing and complaining; wait and see then you can criticize.
I recall they claimed that Serbs “raped” 80,000 Bosnian women. However, my favorite story was that of a Bosniak in Switzerland who was going to give birth to a child conceived from “rape” by a Serbian soldier. She gave birth alright, but the child was BLACK – naturally it was quickly hushed up by the freedom-loving democracy of the US.
Only the stupid Americans need a boogeyman to scare their population who think that if they sail out of San Francisco bay they fall off the end of the earth.
As far as being drunkards, I strongly suggest that the US army buy all the Serbian sljivovica as soon as possible and give it to their troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and maybe they will improve their performance on the battle field. Because the Serbs did more drunk that the US sober.
The organ harvesting is true and it’s common knowledge by amongst the secret services in the EU, US, Russia and Serbia. The US knew that Thaci was a drug-running criminal from the start, but they picked him and now they are very, very quiet thinking they will be over looked.
“…All the US has to do in defense is say these are serious allegations-where is the proof……”
This is the most dangerous time for the US. If it demands proof and the evidence implicates the US then it’s a mess it can’t get out of. There is an old saying in law “never ask a question you don’t know the answer to”.
Everything in good time.

"And how much of this propaganda is aired precisely because they are supported by America? If they can take it, we certainly can.
(Amer, 27 December 2010 22:12)

Funny your Albanian brothers don’t share your attitude. They seem to be extremely concerned over the bad publicity.
The US windbags are terribly quiet over all of this; are they trying to stand back and let you guys take all the fall???. Surely they would defend their brothers in arms. "

The pronouns are getting all mixed up: when I write "we" I'm referring to the Americans, not to the Albanians - I'm one of your "American windbags." (Which I thought was made clear by my nick, but never mind...). As the WikiLeaks should have made clear, our diplomats (US, American) generally make only diplomatic comments for the papers, so there's no reason to wonder at the absence of windbaggery on this or any other topic in the press. And American politicians generally never mention foreign affairs at all.

I think that the serb leaders should look forward and should stop playing with the past because the past is where the serbs are the biggest loosers.
(montenegrin, 28 December 2010 00:13)
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How decent of you to worry about Serbia's image.
If what you say is true than you of all people would be glad for Serbs to keep referring to the past and attacking Albanians, but I think you are scared stiff of this.
You know that your past is as rotten as your present and don't want anyone to shed any light on it.

Nice try, but I think we should keep pressing on this issue.
You can keep being worried.

no jovan,i am not paid as propagandist:i am albanian and do it for free!
Optimist we were even when you thought that never never kosovars will dare to oppose you...Each time you have tried,each time it has been worse for you
(lili, 28 December 2010 20:52
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So you are a free propagandist. How admirable.

interesting again!

not only is lili mistaking the meaning of the term "propaganda" here, she´s even doing it "for free"! =)

well, my dear if you don´t have other things in life, that´s something you can spend your time with.

smart poeple work for their living. especially, when they are being fed from foreign money...

nevertheless, propaganda, also described as influencing, "build up" or "spin"
is something you are forced to use if you do not have any arguments, facts or the simple truth to support your view or standpoint.

so much for comprehension, lilly.


as for the other k-albanain who calls himself Zoti,

somebody should tell him that these alleged legends about Albanians overtaking Serbia a quite entertaining!

is that what you´ve been taught down there in southern Serbia, in schools paid by serbian tax-money?

and the best thing is, you don´t even feel ashamed!

instead of starting to learn about your own history, because of course the Albanians got some history too, you still cling to nonsense, theories which are outdated or even completely stupid.

like the "greatest mistake of kosova"... =)

and of course, that´s something "your turkish friend" told you...

you made my day, Zoti! thanks for that one!

@Peggy:
don´t take them too serious, they´re kids anyway.

Albanians have always been and will always be run by criminals.

What a huge surprise...NOT!

This news is just making it official.
Everyone knew/knows that criminals they have in albanian politics. Infact, its a prerequisite.
Berisha has just as much blood on his hands as the Snake/Thaci.

They both should be exposed for the monsters they are.
Then, executed for their heinous crimes!
It is the only objective solution.

holy moly.

the desperate reek of propaganda is overwhelming.

To all Albanian deniers and appologetics on this site: Is it not better to stop your pointless rant and say yes lets investigate all accussed and see what happens?
If they are not guilty let them defend it in the court of law and surely all such will be released? But you fear that the truth about your "cause" and all dirt around it might be releaved?
Ah this justice, it is slow but it hits you when you least expect innit.

This story has hit a raw never with the Albanians.

Good one US of A, you have picked a great ally for yourself eh? Body parts, arms trafficing, drugs.

Serbia we cannot thank you enough for these past few weeks. Your smear campaign against Albania and Albanians has done wonders for us. This has alerted the whole of the Albanian nation as to what we have to expect in the future from Serbia. This supposedly "brilliant" campaign according to your Foreign Minister ( one that was raped in Cambridge for pleasure, on his part of course ), has increased Albanian nationalism by 10 fold margin. Now 90 per cent of Albanians expect nothing but war with Serbia. Remember you have never won against Albania.

Oh really? How terrible. And really as if Berisha as an oppositionist needed to be "smuggling" arms to the oppressed Kosovars when the Albanian SP govt. of the time was openly supporting their just struggle (actually I seem to remember Berisha calling the KLA "Arkan's men").

Funny also, I seem to remember the Serbian side "smuggling" rather a lot of arms into Kosovo at the time, such as hundreds of tanks, thousands and thousands of artillery pieces, warplanes etc, as well as lots of murderous Arkan-style thugs, yet you cry about the Albanians getting a bunch of Kalashnikovs from looted armouries to pdefend themselves and pretend it's all a scandal that Albanians should be ashamed of. You're pathetic.

Albanians have always been and will always be run by criminals.
(szemi, 27 December 2010 11:57)

And some are even proud of it. Yuck.

"The war in Kosovo started a year later, in the spring of 1999, and a recent report said that the KLA kidnapped Serbs and other civilians during that year and 2000, imprisoned them and had their organs removed in northern Albania, to sell the prisoners' body parts in the black market. "

Wow what a report, George Clooney could not have done a better job for the Serbian tv audience :D

What is the discovery here? In 1997 Albania became lawless due to the collapse of pyramid schemes. The army practically was dismantledas people looted weapons. On the otherside in Kosovo were ethnic cleansing against the Kosovo Albanians orchesrated by the Serbian state of Milloshevic. In these circumstances what you expect? To stand still and watch your house being burned down and your family members being murdered and violated.....? Accept the massacres against you and your people...? "Signed agreement" for buying arms in a very troubled region....Who troubled it...? We can agreed to disagree all day and nights. The history is written.

A mirage is characterized by vanishing when you approach it.You need not approach to a special patch of land to see that it disappears. That patch of land is called independent state of Kosovo, with breakdown of law and order, run by criminals and mafia. They have no respect for humanity. They have committed atrocious crimes since they came to power. They act as if they had never heard of God’s Commandments. They act as if they were Satan’s Disciples. They assume that the devil is not so black as it is painted. Maybe they consider their acts as charitable. That is why they extracted human organs from Serbs and sold them inexpensively, low- priced. Now when they realized that they are out of favour of their sponsors,they charge Serbs and Dick Marty assuming that the best way to defend themselves is to charge the other party.

Is it news that guns were smuggled from Albania into Kosovo? Guns don't grown on trees, and if you want to liberate your country from a violent oppressor you have to get the guns from somewhere. Conveniently, the Albanian state was collapsing at just the right moment.

I KNEW IT. The Albanian elites have sunk to new lows of morbid perfidity. Let Orthodox-Slavic brothers bring down the entire Albanian power-elites from Mitrovica to Tetovo to Gjirokaster!

wow what a report serbian disneyland-hollywood with propaganda in action with their daly disneyland-reports

No news ober salih Berisha: diesel, arms with agron Musaraj, Azem Hajdari, Salih Berisha, Famtmir Mediu! Albanian Mafia Buseness in tradition. all is written in OSCE Reports in 1998, Secret reports in 1997 and later.

So what? Too bad they didnt gave those weapons for free instead made themselfs quite a alot of money, now thats low for being an Albanian while the war took place in Kosovo.

I say good on him. We were lucky we had our motherland next to us to help us in this matter.like Pejoni though I would have giving them buy 1 get 1 free:)

The article and many a like are simply now a matter of systematic propaganda that are coming back from the Slobo era.

We all know this is old news and nothing new has been discovered. The only difference Serbian gov along with the media are making sure this subject gets repeated, not for justice, but to try a damage the Albanians moral ethics.

By far I'm not defending the possibility that the organ trade took place but you should all ask your self all this has being going on for to long for not a single factual proof to be proven, my opinion cause there is none and all this is just damaging PR against the 'other'.

Berisha has a bank account in Germany ? Guys don't you think if that was true would have already come out from a while since the guy has 20 years in politics. If you wanna be credible switzerland sounds better than Germany

DimWit, how could the serbs have been smuggling arms into their own province? do you ever think before you hit send? Why was a high ranking politician, from a neighboring state smubbling arms to terrorists, to fight a civil war that did not include his own country? That, Dim, is criminal activity. I realize that kosovo and Albania are full of Albanians, but they are divide by sovereign boudaries. Obviously, Berisha did not respect those lines, as he allowed the KLA to perform organ harvesting on his soil, and supplied them with arms. All of these terrorist activites by the Albanians that are coming to light will put a freeze on Kosovo's independence. How many more recognitions does Pristina and Tirana expect now?

Good job Serbs. You are getting very close to rediscover that Albanians have tails under their pants like you did during early decades of last century. The problem is that Albanians are a reality in Balkans. It is up to you to decide how you want to deal with this reality. To say the truth, we from Kosovo often find it very difficult to convince Albanians from Albania that Serbs hate us to death, and that Serbs are going to be happy only if all Albanians are wiped out from Balkans. Trying to involve all Albanian leaders in crimes concludes that Serbs are in a panic. You should not worry because you do not have what to lose while you last everything regarding Kosovo. This is not going to help believe me. You are making Albanians get unique. You are helping Thaci and Berisha to stay in power longer than they expect. They should thank you for that.

Winston:
“how could the serbs have been smuggling arms into their own province? do you ever think before you hit send? Why was a high ranking politician, from a neighboring state smuggling arms to terrorists, to fight a civil war that did not include his own country? That, Dim, is criminal activity. I realize that kosovo and Albania are full of Albanians, but they are divide by sovereign boundaries.”

Ditch the legalese lesson kindly Winston, I am well aware of the theoretical “sovereign boundaries” at the time, which is why I put “quotation marks” about the word “smuggling” in reference to the Serbian arms in Kosova, however, the points being:
(a) the state of “sovereignty” of Serbia over Kosova was never recognized by the population there, but in any case, after the suppression of Kosova’s constitutional status in 1989-90 by the Milosevic counterrevolution, the actual state of affairs with regard to ‘sovereignty” was henceforth entirely illegal and thus the Albanian population had every constitutional right to rebel against this illegal authority, first peacefully for a decade, and then when that got nowhere, with arms. That is NOT a justification for any tactic employed with such arms, but overall the right to struggle was undeniable and the violations on both sides were ultimately the responsibility of the oppressor
(b) I don’t see that having billions of dollars of massive military equipment of the type I described the massacre the people with is any more legitimate even if it is inside your “own” “sovereign” bounds (ie, even assuming that it was for a moment), thus my comparison of Serbia’s “smuggling” of all these hundreds and thousands of tanks, artillery pieces, warplanes, mindless paramilitary monsters etc into “its own” Kosovo with the alleged “smuggling” of thousands of old looted Kalashnikovs by the Albanians “across borders.” Just my philosophy bud, applies elsewhere in the world too.

Incidentally, on the last point, for all the rhetoric we hear, from “NATO arming the KLA” to “Al Qaida arming the KLA”, did anyone ever see any footage of Albanian fighters with anything other than the Kalashnikovs well-known to have been looted during the collapse of the Albanian state in 1997? I mean, apart from the odd obviously staged propaganda shot?

Winston:
“Obviously, Berisha did not respect those lines, as he allowed the KLA to perform organ harvesting on his soil, and supplied them with arms.”

Ah yes, brilliant again Win. That would be Berisha, the guy who lost power in 1997 and didn’t regain it until 2005, “allowing” the KLA to harvest organs (“the then president”, as a recent silly article stated), and supplying the KLA with arms, even though it was actually the Albanian mass uprising against Berisha’s regime over the pyramid scandal that led to these same uprisers looting the armouries and passing them on to the KLA. Loving the logic more and more.

This only shows how desperate Serbs are. Few days ago Serbs of so-called RS accused Croatia and Bosnia for stealing organs from Serbs.

Ironic though...it was the foreign sectret agencies that contributed to civil war in Albania in 1997...appearently they failed to carve Albania into two or three pieces, i remeber the same media which are anouncing dick martin reports with sirens...in 1997 the same media were repeating in their news three times a day that catholics in north, muslims in center and orthodox in south will have their own states in Albania..... the conflict had nothing to do with religion, though, in some other media, especially the greek, they were saying how socialists will create their own state in south and democrats in north...our enemies not only failed to carve Albania, but they cotributed to the flooding with guns to other regions such Kosovo, Fyrom and Presevo valley...don't blame Albanians, blame the ones who were responsible for 1997 unrest, Serbia and Greece are on top of the list of countries which contributed to Albanian Tragedy of 1997...then events backfired like a boomerang...

As a Socialist supporter I never thought too highly of Berisha, but he just earned my respect.
Now if he could just start arming the Albanian in Macedonia, I'd vote for him.

Is this it! is this what the 'Serbian War Crimes prosecution' has determined. Well good luck winning the case, which looks as being built with information 'all over' with regards to proof on the 'organ case'. Loughably sad, though thoroughly entertaining. Keep it up;)

Really, you're surprised that arms were moved from Albania to Kosova when the Serbs where killing our people there? If Serbia today is moving its arms to Afghanistan and yesterday to Iraq, then why the surprise? What did you expect flowers being sent instead? Of course that will always be the case. If at any time Serbia attacks the Albanian people, it is the highest treachery of any Albanian not to do anything about it. It is especially treacherous if you're a high ranking politician and you watch your own kin being slaughtered in Kosova and do nothing about it. News flash. Arms where also moved from other countries into Kosova. Hit google. There's even documentaries about it. Cargo airplanes where used to bring them to Kosova. This was a war where the whole Albanian nation did its part to make sure Albanians survived in Kosova. Meaning Albania sent arms, the diaspora sent money and children to fight, and as a nation we made sure everyone in the world saw what was happening. This was a war by the people for the people. That is why any attempt to ostracize the KLA will be met with the wrath of our people, our nation. We as a nation fought for our freedom. If you on the other hand have proof against specific people then you go ahead. However, if you attempt to ostracize our people's struggle for freedom and liberty you will have the whole Albanian nation go against such attempts. This is why there is such a unification in Thaci's case. That is not because people care much about him. It is simply because Serbia and Marti by not showing any evidence whatsoever are attempting to make this not about Thaci but about our struggle for survival and liberty. They're attempting to ostracize our fight for freedom rather than ostracize Thaci personally.

P.S There's plenty of mountains in Albania filled with arms. They will always be at the disposal of Kosova should Serbia attempt anything.

I must admit to having some sympathy to the Albanian position here.

Its true that these allegations are not new - ie that weapons were smuggled over the border from Albania to arm the KLA etc. But hey weapons were smuggled from Hungary to arm Croatia, but there is no mention of that illegal action.

On the other hand this is politics and Serbia has been on the back foot for so long with the Kosovo issue its hardly suprising that every single potential advantage is being pressed right now. And yes it does look something like a smear campaign ie 2 ethnic Albanian Prime Ministers equals 2 criminals. But its all action to reaction. This is happening because Kosovo status is unresolved - it would not be happening otherwise.

Let me remind Albanians who think this is only the tactic of evil Serbs in exaggerating / creating propoganda. Remember the mysterious poisoning of the children many years ago? And remember the mysterious drowning of Albanian children which led to the pogrom against Serbs a few years ago? Both sides play politics.

All of this is because we still have a major issue to deal with and it will continue until that is resolved.

Don't think for a second that most people in Serbia care whether Kosovo and Albania are united. If that is the price to pay for N Mitrovica etc, Serbia won't care.

It might feel great to unify Albanian sentiment, but that actually puts you guys on a collision course with the international community, not Serbia.

"Good job Serbs. You are getting very close to rediscover that Albanians have tails under their pants like you did during early decades of last century. The problem is that Albanians are a reality in Balkans. It is up to you to decide how you want to deal with this reality."

these stories are getting better and better. Here is some "reality" for you.
1) Sorry, you can't lie your way to statehood anymore. You are losing your propaganda war now and it just bothers you. Your leaders are nothing but a gang of criminals who were protected by corrupted, western politicians that have been exposed by their comrades who have grown tired of paying for your pseudo-statelet. Get ready to be bayonetted by your western friends to propose a partition.
2) The only "reality" the Serbs have to deal with is that the usa is a global nuclear power who decided to bankrupt itself protecting bums like you and trying to take over the middle east. A "reality" you have to face is what does obama care about more - saving his presidency OR propping up losers like you. He can't afford both. Ever hear of a country called Cambodia?
3) It appears the world is blaming the usa for the current economic crisis and more countries are refusing to follow america's failed leadership. Unfortunately for you, this will blowback into your faces. This is what happens when you depend upon a bully to do your fighting for you - when the bully dies, you get destroyed.

Definitely Berisha will get my vote....tho i doubt on every thing Serb media says.
@Szem,Jez aka Ataman
I don't care what u guys say,we were in war..

So? Nothing new here, Berisha admited himself that he broke the embargo by giving guns to bosniaks and croats in 1995, also he admited that in early 90s he gave yugoslavs oil in turn of providing heating during the winter for Albanian homes and cities, it is weird though... Berisha had no power during the Kosovo war, and in that period Berisha and Socialists were pretty harsh against each other, it is most probable that Berisha did not do a great deal at that time, but the Socialist ruling party of that time surely gave a lot of guns to UCK...actually Berisha is not my favourite politician, but if all of this is true, then he has my vote in the following elections. If the Daily news reporters go and ask our politicians themselves, our politicians would confirm that they gave guns to UCK, yeah a lot of guns, and they are proud of that. About money ending up in politican pockets, of course they would refuse such thing to have happened, but who cares anyway...they are politicians, they work hard and their salary is very low so... xD

finally the Truth comes out!
some months ago on some forum or Youtube, Albanians there where screaming/laughing /boasting about the fact that they moved all their communist weapons to kosovo from 1996/1997/1998 and kosovo is albania blah blah blah crap..., But now can I see how it happened, Berisha was a politician at that time and had much influence there so its not difficult for him and his partners to smuggle the weapons out of albania.
(that's why I always say if stupid Milosevic took a military action before 1996 to eliminate the KLA then we wouldn't have this semi-independent kosovo).

Now if he could just start arming the Albanian in Macedonia, I'd vote for him.
(Zoti, 27 December 2010 18:22)
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It's good to see our Albanian friends here freely expressing themselves. I think if they continue following the path of the nationalists - sooner or later they'll all realise their dream of living in the same country... just not in the way they expected. ;)

hehehe, the best weapons were brought from USA- 0.50 caliber and they did a lot of damage to Slobo's army from 1-2km away (they are still buried somewhere). The next best weapons were bought from Serbian mafia (yes, 100% true), Croatia and Ukraine. Percentage wise probably 90% of the weapons were Serbian.

Do you honestly think that this is bad? This only helps Berisha, but it isn't the truth.

Albanian PM trafficked arms
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LOL, what next? Leg trafficking?

It looks like lately the serbs have started to attack albanian leaders to destroy their credibility and make them look bad in the public face.
I am afraid that this will hit back to serbs just like the ICJ ruling and the Un resolution did.
I think that the serb leaders should look forward and should stop playing with the past because the past is where the serbs are the biggest loosers.

Really reading serbian media is fun these days!
Now we have another story involving our PM!
But you forget some true and veridic other important things about our PM:he was the one that sell oil to Milosevic,when embargo was decreted against serbia.He was the one who meet Arkan(ask Ceca what was she doing in albania with arkan then).His minister and his daughter are the ones who did contribute to marty report and unmik file against limaj haradinaj and thaci,because then our PM was a supporter of the Fark and not of the UCK(he did put in jail Adem Jashari)...Why,because Berisha is your man,paid by your ambassy and is enrlled in your UDB.But now,you do not need him,-you have ilir meta who is in charge of all the sectors in which your maffia is intered too(energy,mining etc)and i am please that you begin to want toget rid of him and reveal his actions.
PS:nick even if my english is not as good as yours,please don't use it as a pretext not to address the real problems

No surprise it was a Berisha then that took responsibility for arming the Albanians in Kosovo.
(Amer, 27 December 2010 21:50)

... and kissing the but of Enver Hoxha as he was his doctor, not only "just" a Party Secretary at the university.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sali_Berisha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sali_Berisha

Once a commie - always commie. Like... like this guy - look at his early carrier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Thaci
"he became one of the founders of the People's Movement of Kosovo" ... which is a Leninist party.

And why now Americans are supporting (ex)Lenin-boys? Why not in 60-s, LOL? Just because these bolsheviks are against Russia's interests? Don't lie to yourself, just say honestly "yes". But than think, how much sense all this has, it's the world staying on it's head.

Say, 40 years ago someone will tell you: "Within 40 years official America will support bolsheviks and people close to Enver Hoxha in their struggle against Christians" - than you will think, that guy is nuts.

Democracy, freedom, progress is NOT THE MONOPOLY OF AMERICAN ESTABLISHMENT. American Establishment - like one of every country is supporting whatever force is most convenient for the perceived short-term OWN benefits and secondary the perceived short-term benefits of the country they believe to serve. I am not sure, it's our patriotic duty to cheer for them.

Much ado about nothing

I think that the serb leaders should look forward and should stop playing with the past because the past is where the serbs are the biggest loosers.
(montenegrin, 28 December 2010 00:13)
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How decent of you to worry about Serbia's image.
If what you say is true than you of all people would be glad for Serbs to keep referring to the past and attacking Albanians, but I think you are scared stiff of this.
You know that your past is as rotten as your present and don't want anyone to shed any light on it.

Nice try, but I think we should keep pressing on this issue.
You can keep being worried.

Funny also, I seem to remember the Serbian side "smuggling" rather a lot of arms into Kosovo at the time, such as hundreds of tanks, thousands and thousands of artillery pieces, warplanes etc, as well as lots of murderous Arkan-style thugs, yet you cry about the Albanians getting a bunch of Kalashnikovs from looted armouries to pdefend themselves and pretend it's all a scandal that Albanians should be ashamed of. You're pathetic.
(DimTuc, 27 December 2010 12:42)

Listen Dimwit, Kosovo is Serbian territory so we can bring in what we like.

Serbia we cannot thank you enough for these past few weeks. Your smear campaign against Albania and Albanians has done wonders for us. This has alerted the whole of the Albanian nation as to what we have to expect in the future from Serbia. This supposedly "brilliant" campaign according to your Foreign Minister ( one that was raped in Cambridge for pleasure, on his part of course ), has increased Albanian nationalism by 10 fold margin. Now 90 per cent of Albanians expect nothing but war with Serbia. Remember you have never won against Albania.
(Arber Illyria, 27 December 2010 15:49)

Yes but are the goats and donkeys ready? Or do you expect NATO to come to your aid?” Time to wake up and stop dreaming.

P.S There's plenty of mountains in Albania filled with arms. They will always be at the disposal of Kosova should Serbia attempt anything.
(johny, 27 December 2010 18:37)

We are shivering in our boots with the very thought of cranky Albanians with a few AK47s mounted on donkeys.
This story seems to have you guys on the run, ha, ha, ha, ha. Why worry? Don’t you have the US on your side?
You never reveal all of your evidence at once, but let it trickle out slowly for greater effect. You’ll find that there is plenty of proof and I’ve noticed that even the US is keeping very quiet.
hehehe, the best weapons were brought from USA- 0.50 caliber and they did a lot of damage to Slobo's army from 1-2km away (they are still buried somewhere). The next best weapons were bought from Serbian mafia (yes, 100% true), Croatia and Ukraine. Percentage wise probably 90% of the weapons were Serbian.

As a Socialist supporter I never thought too highly of Berisha, but he just earned my respect.
Now if he could just start arming the Albanian in Macedonia, I'd vote for him.
(Zoti, 27 December 2010 18:22)

Yes, Albanians here on B92 are mostly very peaceful kind of people, you look like that peaceful little Japanese boy in 1905, dropped like a hot cake after Pearl Harbor.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1899/screenshot20101225at206.jpg

But you know that at one point you have to deal with that guy on the left, don't you?

And how much of this propaganda is aired precisely because they are supported by America? If they can take it, we certainly can.
(Amer, 27 December 2010 22:12)

Funny your Albanian brothers don’t share your attitude. They seem to be extremely concerned over the bad publicity.
The US windbags are terribly quiet over all of this; are they trying to stand back and let you guys take all the fall???. Surely they would defend their brothers in arms.

It looks like lately the serbs have started to attack albanian leaders to destroy their credibility and make them look bad in the public face. I am afraid that this will hit back to serbs just like the ICJ ruling and the Un resolution did. I think that the serb leaders should look forward and should stop playing with the past because the past is where the serbs are the biggest loosers. (montenegrin, 28 December 2010 00:13

Ahh, I see another Albanian hiding behind a Serbian name - montenegrin. Stand up and be counted; if you’re an Albanian say so.
Yes, we lost the ICJ, but go back and ask the ICJ to declare Kosovo’s independence and see how far you get – the US would shoot the lot of your Albanians before that happens.
You can keep the EU – it’s BROKE. Latest news is that Spain has to have an assistance package so that means even less money for the Albanians in Kosovo.

So what, Long Live ALBANIA and all Albanians

no jovan,i am not paid as propagandist:i am albanian and do it for free!
Optimist we were even when you thought that never never kosovars will dare to oppose you...Each time you have tried,each time it has been worse for you

"Good one US of A, you have picked a great ally for yourself eh? Body parts, arms trafficing, drugs.
(sj, 27 December 2010 12:40) "

And how much of this propaganda is aired precisely because they are supported by America? If they can take it, we certainly can.

I am a bit confused with Serbian medias, they do write and talk more about Albanian,Kosovan and Croatian PMs than Serbian Politicians. I bet if Albanian PM was going to run for election in Serbia he will get more votes than any politician in Serbia as people there read more about Berisha .......
It seems to me that they are using the old Soviet tactics which is and would be very damaging for Serbia.

zoran,
we do know how to deal even in these circumstances ,don't worry for us.You have already tried this and you failed!You should understand know that what you have not managed to do for centuries(when you had all your army and your forces against albanians)will be impossible to do now that albanians are no longer under your oppression!You should stop your vain battles...You have lost kosovo,better accept it,unless you want your situation going worse in serbia.You do not have yu now to engage an other effort for war,while on the contrary albanian situation has greatly improved!

when I read lili´s last comment, I couldn´t but ask myself whether she or he is a paid propagandist.

who would write these poor paroles and calls for perserverance at all!?

times will change, lili, and then we will see whether you will still be such an optimist...

just a question of time.

ps: the latest news about Albanians killing Serbs and other Albanians in order to sell their organs did a great job within my circle of friends whith whom I never speak about southern Serbia.

they almost all approached me and told me that they didn´t know what was going on "down there" and that they have changed their minds.

I think that is only the beginning, lili.

only the beginning...

This "High Albania" I mentioned in another thread discusses the origins of the different families in Northern Albania according to their traditions. The Berishas had no stories of having come from anywhere (most had come from Bosnia, fleeing the Turks): the Berishas had always been there. No surprise it was a Berisha then that took responsibility for arming the Albanians in Kosovo.

''Say, 40 years ago someone will tell you: "Within 40 years official America will support bolsheviks and people close to Enver Hoxha in their struggle against Christians" - than you will think, that guy is nuts.

Democracy, freedom, progress is NOT THE MONOPOLY OF AMERICAN ESTABLISHMENT. ''

E.Hoxha kindaa had his own vision of communism, even Bolsheviks would tremble before Uncle Enver :]....LOL ''against christians''? Enver couldn't care less about religions, he despised religion in all kind of forms,...he was a hardcore atheist..also, if you know Hoxha to well, you would know that after 60s the greatest threat to Hoxha was Russia, not the US, actually after 60s, when E.H. kicked Russian fleet out of otranto , it was more convinient for USA that E.H. stayed in power, that is probaly why USA stoped paraschuting Albanian nationalists oust E.H... if we go back in time, we have to thank yugoslavs and druje tito for Hoxha, our neighbours brought us nothing but tragedies...Had english not supported Tito and Hoxha, Balli Kombtar and the Royalists would have taken power, but i don't think you would have liked that scenario...

Im curious of sth, i have the feeling that Jezki Bolsevisky lives abroad, any , i have the feeling many Serbs live in the US, how come doubt the democracy, freedom and progress of USA if you chose to live there insead of China let s say..., personally i never been to USA, and i do not intend to visit it, maybe when my finances suit someday, but as far as i heard from people, USA is still the land of opurtinities. Yet, i hope, i will never have to leave my country.

It's good to see our Albanian friends here freely expressing themselves. I think if they continue following the path of the nationalists - sooner or later they'll all realise their dream of living in the same country... just not in the way they expected. ;)
(Zoran, 27 December 2010)

I catch your drift Zoran and I'd have to say I agree with you. I'd love to live under Serbs for a while.

A Turkish friend of mine told me once "Kosova's independence was your biggest mistake. In 50 years you could have had ALL of Serbia". Come to think of it he might have been right. I'd like for you to incorporate 6 million Albanians in Serbia cause then we'll deal differently with you.

According to you 20% of the Albanian population overtook Kosova in a little over 50 years with the result today of 90%+ Albanians in ksoova. A Serbia with a 40% Albanian population doesn't stand a chance just like Macedonia won't.

Be careful what you wish for.

Was the movie based on a true story?
(iliri, 28 December 2010 18:19)
Most of these shows have a disclaimer but the storyline is derived from actual situations.
Even if not it still is more credible than 75 dialysis pats being delivered to a place in Albania at the same time that 75 Serbian prisoners were taken there, doesn't it?

(pss, 28 December 210 17:09)
Hey, take it easy there is plenty of time for the evidence to come out. What’s the hurry? We Serbs put up with western BS for 20 years and have come out stronger than before so I suggest that you stop squealing and complaining; wait and see then you can criticize.
I recall they claimed that Serbs “raped” 80,000 Bosnian women. However, my favorite story was that of a Bosniak in Switzerland who was going to give birth to a child conceived from “rape” by a Serbian soldier. She gave birth alright, but the child was BLACK – naturally it was quickly hushed up by the freedom-loving democracy of the US.
Only the stupid Americans need a boogeyman to scare their population who think that if they sail out of San Francisco bay they fall off the end of the earth.
As far as being drunkards, I strongly suggest that the US army buy all the Serbian sljivovica as soon as possible and give it to their troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and maybe they will improve their performance on the battle field. Because the Serbs did more drunk that the US sober.
The organ harvesting is true and it’s common knowledge by amongst the secret services in the EU, US, Russia and Serbia. The US knew that Thaci was a drug-running criminal from the start, but they picked him and now they are very, very quiet thinking they will be over looked.
“…All the US has to do in defense is say these are serious allegations-where is the proof……”
This is the most dangerous time for the US. If it demands proof and the evidence implicates the US then it’s a mess it can’t get out of. There is an old saying in law “never ask a question you don’t know the answer to”.
Everything in good time.

''I watched a fictional TV program in the US last night and it was about a Serb who tortured and raped and killed in Kosovo andthen fled to the US after assuming the name of one of the Albanians he had killed in order to escape the possibility of being charged with war crimes. But 10 years later he had to kill a family that recognized him in NY.

(pss, 28 December 2010 17:09) ''

Was the movie based on a true story?

-- I seem to remember something very similar from Law and Order.
(johny, 28 December 2010 18:50)

Lol; why does this get a negative vote? Law and Order has several stories about the balkans. Its not my fault the writers of this show like to write about it.

''She gave birth alright, but the child was BLACK – naturally it was quickly hushed up by the freedom-loving democracy of the US. ''

Many gypcies were recruited by Serbian Army...along with hooligans, street bums, drunks, mugs, romanians...and other kind of people from shores of Danube ...one of the main issues concerning human rights in Kosovo is the issue of displaced gycpies...you don't need deduction skills to know why is that so...

no jovan,i am not paid as propagandist:i am albanian and do it for free!
Optimist we were even when you thought that never never kosovars will dare to oppose you...Each time you have tried,each time it has been worse for you
(lili, 28 December 2010 20:52
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So you are a free propagandist. How admirable.

Dear JohnBoy,

I understand. The world is corrupted (USA, England, Franc, Germany etc.) only Serbia and Russia are not. Is not healthy to try to argue with you anymore about that.
However I own you some explanation. We lived in the same country, and we know how “uncorrupted” your justice system is. Before the war I was a student in Pristina. At least two times happened to me that your police stopped me and took all the money from my pocket while entering the city from Bus station. They robbed poor Albanian students because they know that as Albanian student we were afraid to go and complain to the policy station for that. My brother who lives in Croatia travels often through Serbia. He can drive as fast as he wants in your highway, all he have to do if the police stop him is just give them 10 euro eventually 20 and he is all set. No ticket no nothing. He cannot do that with Kosovo police. KLA of Podujevo even during the war was able to corrupt Serbs and buy weapons from them. Even today if an Albanian need something from Serbia, like a fake document to proof for some property he always can find officials in Serbia who can get corrupted for few euros. We know you. I do not know if you know yourself. Ask Serbs who travel to Kosovo nowadays if they see any difference. Our “corrupted” government is building roads and highways that Kosovo never had while governed by Serbia. The only four lane road at that time was the road Pristina – Kosovo polje (3 km long). Please talk to Serbs who travel to Kosovo now if they see any difference.

"Once a commie - always commie. Like... like this guy - look at his early carrier:"

It's a funny comment comming from a Russian. So according to your own logic, a commie is good if he serves the Russians, and bad if he serves the Americans - and god forbid if he serves his own country. Here's another link for you: http://mt.iq-test.eu/stats/

Yes, Berisha broke the embargo and gave fuel to Serbia...but he also gave away guns to bosniaks and croats, practically i would done the same ...throw benzene to the Yugoslavian fire... the more the war lasted in Bosnia and Croatia, the better for Albania and Kosovo...Also there are voices that Berisha made a secret pact of piece with Serbia and Fyrom back then to prevent a war in Kosovo and Fyrom from happening...i would have done the same, war is not good, a good politician is the one who avoids war ...it was early 90s, it does not mean that Berisha is a traitor or a Serb agent, he did what was best for the time, maybe if war in Kosovo happened simultanously to the war in Bosnia would harm Serbia more, but back then, our politicans hoped for a peaceful solution...but Milosevic would not agree, after securing RS territories in Dayton, he looked south ... Dayton a victory for Serbs...

"Interesting though I watched a fictional TV program in the US last night and it was about a Serb who tortured and raped and killed in Kosovo andthen fled to the US after assuming the name of one of the Albanians he had killed in order to escape the possibility of being charged with war crimes. But 10 years later he had to kill a family that recognized him in NY."

-- I seem to remember something very similar from Law and Order.

Right country, wrong address. It was under Prime Minister F.Nano's watch that the transfer of weapons was tolerated. KLA has always been close to the Socialist Party of Albania, and has never had any love for Sali Berisha whom it deems to be a pro-serb character. That is the arkane nature of Albanian politics which is beyond the capacity of Slavs and Greeks to grasp fully as this Serb newspaper clearly shows

Ye so what if he sold weapons to the KLA wouldn't anyone do the same for their people? and also alot of KLA soldiers were from albania

(sj, 28 December 2010 05:10)
All the US has to do in defense is say these are serious allegations-where is the proof?
Saying more just keeps the item in the media (Serbias goal) without concrete evidence it is just going to die away.
Interesting though I watched a fictional TV program in the US last night and it was about a Serb who tortured and raped and killed in Kosovo andthen fled to the US after assuming the name of one of the Albanians he had killed in order to escape the possibility of being charged with war crimes. But 10 years later he had to kill a family that recognized him in NY.
This could explain the 500 missing Serbs at the end of the war (more believable than the organ harvesting) maybe someone should mail a copy to the CoE when they discuss the allegations.

"[Thaci] became one of the founders of the People's Movement of Kosovo" ... which is a Leninist party.

And why now Americans are supporting (ex)Lenin-boys? Why not in 60-s, LOL? Just because these bolsheviks are against Russia's interests? Don't lie to yourself, just say honestly "yes". But than think, how much sense all this has, it's the world staying on it's head.

(Je¿ bolszewiczny, 28 December 2010 00:19) "

"Leninist" in Kosovo in those days meant non-Serbian - I don't think the precise tenets of the beliefs were important. There were lots of students who claimed to admire Enver Hoxha who really had no idea what he was doing in Albania. It was in independent Albania, and that was enough for them.

What's more important than the party (or Party) people belonged to then is what they stand for today.

As for the 60's - they were Leninists then; now everybody is an ex-Leninist.

"Its true that these allegations are not new - ie that weapons were smuggled over the border from Albania to arm the KLA etc. But hey weapons were smuggled from Hungary to arm Croatia, but there is no mention of that illegal action. "

bganon,

these are not just allegations, most of this is true. That KLA bought guns in Albania is no secret. That Berisha is involved will be harder to prove though in my opinion. The state in Albania simply collapsed, disappeared. The army too, so it is hard to distinguish between orders and initiatives of private individuals. The Serbian prosecution might have more luck in connecting Berisha with the oil traffic during the embargo on ex Yugoslavia during the 1992-1995 wars, when Berisha was in power and a minimal state existed. There are tales of lines of 40 km of trucks at the border with Montenegro, breaking the embargo, selling oil to Serbia, Milosevic, and Arkan. These are just rumors though, and I suspect the people who made money back then are still strong in both Serbia and Albania, so no .

Anyway, I think this is just an article from a newspaper in Serbia and it must be thought as just that in my opinion, a newspaper article, not the official position of Serbia. After all Tadic will go to Tirana soon I hear. One curiosity I have though about the media in Serbia is: did the wikileaks document on the traffic of arms of 95 million dollar value from Serbia to Yemen make the news on any media in Serbia? The Americans were really worried if I remember correctly, because Yemen is a region where al Qaeda is apparently very strong. In fact the latest attacks seem to have strong connections to Yemen. Just wondering.

Only the stupid Americans need a boogeyman to scare their population who think that if they sail out of San Francisco bay they fall off the end of the earth.
As far as being drunkards, I strongly suggest that the US army buy all the Serbian sljivovica as soon as possible and give it to their troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and maybe they will improve their performance on the battle field. Because the Serbs did more drunk that the US sober.
The organ harvesting is true and it’s common knowledge by amongst the secret services in the EU, US, Russia and Serbia. The US knew that Thaci was a drug-running criminal from the start, but they picked him and now they are very, very quiet thinking they will be over looked.
“…All the US has to do in defense is say these are serious allegations-where is the proof……”
This is the most dangerous time for the US. If it demands proof and the evidence implicates the US then it’s a mess it can’t get out of. There is an old saying in law “never ask a question you don’t know the answer to”.
Everything in good time.
(sj, 29 December 2010 05:20)
Of course you would deny the need for proof, have you ever been able to prove anything you have posted=nay. And where was it you learned of this inside information of the secret services. Must have been between your other stints you were actually a double agent.(definitely a joke if you did nto recognize it)
Glad you have such high respect for the drunken Serb military as they are on the outside of the Kosovo boundaries and who is on the inside. They did very well.

"And how much of this propaganda is aired precisely because they are supported by America? If they can take it, we certainly can.
(Amer, 27 December 2010 22:12)

Funny your Albanian brothers don’t share your attitude. They seem to be extremely concerned over the bad publicity.
The US windbags are terribly quiet over all of this; are they trying to stand back and let you guys take all the fall???. Surely they would defend their brothers in arms. "

The pronouns are getting all mixed up: when I write "we" I'm referring to the Americans, not to the Albanians - I'm one of your "American windbags." (Which I thought was made clear by my nick, but never mind...). As the WikiLeaks should have made clear, our diplomats (US, American) generally make only diplomatic comments for the papers, so there's no reason to wonder at the absence of windbaggery on this or any other topic in the press. And American politicians generally never mention foreign affairs at all.

interesting again!

not only is lili mistaking the meaning of the term "propaganda" here, she´s even doing it "for free"! =)

well, my dear if you don´t have other things in life, that´s something you can spend your time with.

smart poeple work for their living. especially, when they are being fed from foreign money...

nevertheless, propaganda, also described as influencing, "build up" or "spin"
is something you are forced to use if you do not have any arguments, facts or the simple truth to support your view or standpoint.

so much for comprehension, lilly.


as for the other k-albanain who calls himself Zoti,

somebody should tell him that these alleged legends about Albanians overtaking Serbia a quite entertaining!

is that what you´ve been taught down there in southern Serbia, in schools paid by serbian tax-money?

and the best thing is, you don´t even feel ashamed!

instead of starting to learn about your own history, because of course the Albanians got some history too, you still cling to nonsense, theories which are outdated or even completely stupid.

like the "greatest mistake of kosova"... =)

and of course, that´s something "your turkish friend" told you...

you made my day, Zoti! thanks for that one!

@Peggy:
don´t take them too serious, they´re kids anyway.