Switzerland not questioning Kosovo independence

"Switzerland not questioning Kosovo independence"

Ya but look at it this way. AFTER the ICJ ruiling APPEARED to be in the separatists favor, no new recognitions took place apart from irrelevant pacific island "countries" who you cannot locate on the map.

Now after this disgusting "revelation" (in fact it was pretty obvious the whole time) what makes you think you will get any recognitions now?

Kosovo will STAY as a Northern Cyprus. Hell, even they are in a better position than you.

Quite sad actually. You have puppets in Belgrade who are bending over backwards for the EU and USA's demands, and THIS is the best you can do?

Despite all that our puppets in our capital have handed to you, you still cannot achieve better than 72 recognitions (and not all 72 countries even have embassys in Pristina)



Kosovo-forever a province, never a state. And when you realize this piece of land CANT be a country and TRY to join Albania, you will really face your superiors which are the Serbs.

“We said in 2008, you have a state now and that state needs to have a rule of law. If there were some horrific crimes in the past they cannot be swept under the rug,”

- and what of the crimes being committed each and every day since February 2008 ?????

Blind eye is not the term I would use.

More like Switzerlands government is complicit - an individual is complicit in a crime if he/she is aware of its occurrence and has the ability to report the crime, but fails to do so. As such, the individual effectively allows criminals to carry out a crime despite possibly being able to stop them, either directly or by contacting the authorities, thus making the individual a de-facto accessory to the crime rather than an innocent bystander.

Furthermore, accomplice in crime goes to all of HATO and illegal recognition countries and US & UK dominioms (eg Costa Rica & Tuvalu to name but 2) - accomplice is a person who helps another person commit a crime, Accomplice liability involves primary actors who actually participate in the commission of the crime and secondary actors who aid and encourage the primary actors.

Closer to home Tadic and DS as the President and ruling party are complicit too in not now persuing legal cases against all states that are accomplicies in this crime against Serbia, its people and soverignity who act against UNSC Res 1244 which states that Kosovo & Methohija is an integral part of Serbia and not a seperate state. Time to Serbia to take the legal recourse against the crime being committed against it.

I'm glad that Serbia is politicizing this issue of organ trade. It shows that there is no evidence and intentions are not to find the truth but actually hurt someone w/o having any truth! Keep it up! You're only discrediting yourself!

illegal recognition countries and US & UK dominioms (eg Costa Rica & Tuvalu to name but 2)
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 22 December 2010 17:39)

I apologize, but I don't understand. Kosovo issued a declaration of independence in accordance with international law. These countries recognized that legal declaration of independence, so there is no illegality under the international law.

So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?

Surely not! Only King Thaci with his "anti-independence network" conspiracy phantasy and his attitude "I am the state" thinks the case of Kosovo independence is anyhow connected to the Marty report.

''So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?
(icj1, 22 December 2010 21:53) ''

He probaly means the Milosevic laws...

Kosovo-forever a province, never a state. And when you realize this piece of land CANT be a country and TRY to join Albania, you will really face your superiors which are the Serbs.
(Nikola, 22 December 2010 17:50) ..................WOOOW that's a tough that " SUPERIOR" are you threatening someone or trying to show some Nikola AKA Serb "man" muscle ...

"I'm glad that Serbia is politicizing this issue of organ trade.
(genti, 22 December 2010 19:36)

Ehh? Politicizing? Serbia? Who was it who was screaming out loud that Marty's investigations in a crime case are "political", are against the "state of Kosova", and are the work of an 'anti-independence network'?

Kosovo will STAY as a Northern Cyprus. Hell, even they are in a better position than you. - Nikola

You do know that we don't want to be them. America is a super-power, we don't want to be them either. Kosovo and Kosovars want to be free and independent (yes, our definition means not being under Serbia).

Seriously I don't understand why you Serbs come on these forums day-in and day-out about our sovereignty...isn't anything going on in Belgrade? Nothing better to do than worry about neighbors? You don't see me going to CNN, FOX, and RT forums and telling those nationalities my opinion.

illegal recognition countries and US & UK dominioms (eg Costa Rica & Tuvalu to name but 2)
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 22 December 2010 17:39)

I apologize, but I don't understand. Kosovo issued a declaration of independence in accordance with international law. These countries recognized that legal declaration of independence, so there is no illegality under the international law.

So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?
(icj1, 22 December 2010 21:53)

All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.

Kosovo, being autonomous, and not falling under the above mentioned conditions was the first deck of cards to fall in the face of UN rules..
...
(Pijetro, 23 December 2010 03:10)

Hey Pijetro, that's the problem. The whole trouble started when you decided that it should not be anymore autonomous. The rest is history. Accepting autonomy now is 20 years late.

''Basically, the ICJ ruling tells the world, that if I declare that I'm Napoleon, then it's perfectly legal...''

If you wish to change your name, you are free to do it ! The application form to the local town court or municipality (it depends on legislation) in most of countries costs sth like 7 euros, and is perfectly legal ! It is the basic human right to change its name if the parents had terrible taste in choosing names...

icj1

Under the UN house rules of the past (Pre U.S. expansionism), republics, and former colonies were allowed to declare independence..

Kosovo, being autonomous, and not falling under the above mentioned conditions was the first deck of cards to fall in the face of UN rules..

The ICJ ruling left an open ended answer, by saying that it wasn't illegal to declare independence...
It's the first in a wave of little corner parcels of CIA and KGB sponsored regimes to make their own rules...

Basically, the ICJ ruling tells the world, that if I declare that I'm Napoleon, then it's perfectly legal...

The problem is, trying to muster up recognitions...

Calmy-Rey denied the accusations that Switzerland had “turned a blind eye” to Priština.

“We said in 2008, you have a state now and that state needs to have a rule of law. If there were some horrific crimes in the past they cannot be swept under the rug,” she told Swiss dailies Tages-Anzeiger and Der Bund.

Wrong Mrs Calmy Rey, you had received from our parliament a conditional green light, because most of the political spectrum wasn't convinced. At the end you know what problems we have in Switzerland with the second wave of k-a refugees. The green light was conditioned to look for a while whether the things will change,mainly when it comes to rule of law, corruption, drug trafficking etc.. One week after you decided that all was ok and you announced it !! You should then explain why the snake was a non grata person in Switzerland for a while...., why two ambassadors named by the snake were refused because of their link to criminal activities... yes indeed you have now all the reasons to be nervous because for your last year in the governement the time might proved to be very difficult....

"All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010 06:47) "

Basic principle of international law: if it's not illegal, it's legal.

This whole concept of 'recognition' is just a victors' concept.

It is based on the assumption that the more force that is available to create a new truth, the more likely it is to become true.

Actually, these recognitions are an insult to the people of Serbia, and an insult to things such as the Helsinki agreement and 1244.

The law in Kosovo has emerged from the guns and planes of the KLA and NATO. It was caused by the determined ethnic ambition of the Albanian's who lived in Kosovo to drive out Serbian influence. They have succeeded in their ethnic cleansing of Serbs, and those who recognise the resulting aberrant creation are doing wrong. That includes the UK, the US, and Switzerland.

It was not just the Albanians of Kosovo who needed to be freed from the nationalism that Milosovic utilized (as was also utilized by Izbegovic and Tudjman so don't just blame the Serbs) for his political purposes it was also the Serbian people of Kosovo who were under consistent attack from the Albanians who had been ethnically cleansing them for years.

Kosovo does not deserve to be a state and is not a state until Serbia agrees it is. That is unlikely to happen, so for now it is the rule of force that is the deciding factor - and likely ever more will be so.

That makes Kosovo a protectorate and not a state.

I recognise that - so therefore it must be true…..

….. Why should my recognition be any less significant than some irrelevant Swiss who is paid too much and who is interfering in someone else's business?

Basic principle of international law: if it's not illegal, it's legal.
(Amer, 23 December 2010 21:25)

Then go back and seek that statement from the ICJ. This is your chance to put it beyond any doubt and show the Serbs they are wrong.

Oh, I forgot the US would shoot you guys for even thinking along those lines.

So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?
(icj1, 22 December 2010 21:53)

All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010 06:47)
=================
Ari, this has been repeated to the Albanians a million times already but they just don't seem to get it.

Save your breath. You will never get through that brick wall.

All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010 06:47)

Nope, it did not say that. It said, I quote, "the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law".

"Switzerland not questioning Kosovo independence"

Ya but look at it this way. AFTER the ICJ ruiling APPEARED to be in the separatists favor, no new recognitions took place apart from irrelevant pacific island "countries" who you cannot locate on the map.

Now after this disgusting "revelation" (in fact it was pretty obvious the whole time) what makes you think you will get any recognitions now?

Kosovo will STAY as a Northern Cyprus. Hell, even they are in a better position than you.

Quite sad actually. You have puppets in Belgrade who are bending over backwards for the EU and USA's demands, and THIS is the best you can do?

Despite all that our puppets in our capital have handed to you, you still cannot achieve better than 72 recognitions (and not all 72 countries even have embassys in Pristina)



Kosovo-forever a province, never a state. And when you realize this piece of land CANT be a country and TRY to join Albania, you will really face your superiors which are the Serbs.

“We said in 2008, you have a state now and that state needs to have a rule of law. If there were some horrific crimes in the past they cannot be swept under the rug,”

- and what of the crimes being committed each and every day since February 2008 ?????

Blind eye is not the term I would use.

More like Switzerlands government is complicit - an individual is complicit in a crime if he/she is aware of its occurrence and has the ability to report the crime, but fails to do so. As such, the individual effectively allows criminals to carry out a crime despite possibly being able to stop them, either directly or by contacting the authorities, thus making the individual a de-facto accessory to the crime rather than an innocent bystander.

Furthermore, accomplice in crime goes to all of HATO and illegal recognition countries and US & UK dominioms (eg Costa Rica & Tuvalu to name but 2) - accomplice is a person who helps another person commit a crime, Accomplice liability involves primary actors who actually participate in the commission of the crime and secondary actors who aid and encourage the primary actors.

Closer to home Tadic and DS as the President and ruling party are complicit too in not now persuing legal cases against all states that are accomplicies in this crime against Serbia, its people and soverignity who act against UNSC Res 1244 which states that Kosovo & Methohija is an integral part of Serbia and not a seperate state. Time to Serbia to take the legal recourse against the crime being committed against it.

Surely not! Only King Thaci with his "anti-independence network" conspiracy phantasy and his attitude "I am the state" thinks the case of Kosovo independence is anyhow connected to the Marty report.

Calmy-Rey denied the accusations that Switzerland had “turned a blind eye” to Priština.

“We said in 2008, you have a state now and that state needs to have a rule of law. If there were some horrific crimes in the past they cannot be swept under the rug,” she told Swiss dailies Tages-Anzeiger and Der Bund.

Wrong Mrs Calmy Rey, you had received from our parliament a conditional green light, because most of the political spectrum wasn't convinced. At the end you know what problems we have in Switzerland with the second wave of k-a refugees. The green light was conditioned to look for a while whether the things will change,mainly when it comes to rule of law, corruption, drug trafficking etc.. One week after you decided that all was ok and you announced it !! You should then explain why the snake was a non grata person in Switzerland for a while...., why two ambassadors named by the snake were refused because of their link to criminal activities... yes indeed you have now all the reasons to be nervous because for your last year in the governement the time might proved to be very difficult....

Kosovo will STAY as a Northern Cyprus. Hell, even they are in a better position than you. - Nikola

You do know that we don't want to be them. America is a super-power, we don't want to be them either. Kosovo and Kosovars want to be free and independent (yes, our definition means not being under Serbia).

Seriously I don't understand why you Serbs come on these forums day-in and day-out about our sovereignty...isn't anything going on in Belgrade? Nothing better to do than worry about neighbors? You don't see me going to CNN, FOX, and RT forums and telling those nationalities my opinion.

illegal recognition countries and US & UK dominioms (eg Costa Rica & Tuvalu to name but 2)
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 22 December 2010 17:39)

I apologize, but I don't understand. Kosovo issued a declaration of independence in accordance with international law. These countries recognized that legal declaration of independence, so there is no illegality under the international law.

So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?

I'm glad that Serbia is politicizing this issue of organ trade. It shows that there is no evidence and intentions are not to find the truth but actually hurt someone w/o having any truth! Keep it up! You're only discrediting yourself!

illegal recognition countries and US & UK dominioms (eg Costa Rica & Tuvalu to name but 2)
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 22 December 2010 17:39)

I apologize, but I don't understand. Kosovo issued a declaration of independence in accordance with international law. These countries recognized that legal declaration of independence, so there is no illegality under the international law.

So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?
(icj1, 22 December 2010 21:53)

All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.

"I'm glad that Serbia is politicizing this issue of organ trade.
(genti, 22 December 2010 19:36)

Ehh? Politicizing? Serbia? Who was it who was screaming out loud that Marty's investigations in a crime case are "political", are against the "state of Kosova", and are the work of an 'anti-independence network'?

icj1

Under the UN house rules of the past (Pre U.S. expansionism), republics, and former colonies were allowed to declare independence..

Kosovo, being autonomous, and not falling under the above mentioned conditions was the first deck of cards to fall in the face of UN rules..

The ICJ ruling left an open ended answer, by saying that it wasn't illegal to declare independence...
It's the first in a wave of little corner parcels of CIA and KGB sponsored regimes to make their own rules...

Basically, the ICJ ruling tells the world, that if I declare that I'm Napoleon, then it's perfectly legal...

The problem is, trying to muster up recognitions...

Kosovo, being autonomous, and not falling under the above mentioned conditions was the first deck of cards to fall in the face of UN rules..
...
(Pijetro, 23 December 2010 03:10)

Hey Pijetro, that's the problem. The whole trouble started when you decided that it should not be anymore autonomous. The rest is history. Accepting autonomy now is 20 years late.

''So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?
(icj1, 22 December 2010 21:53) ''

He probaly means the Milosevic laws...

Kosovo-forever a province, never a state. And when you realize this piece of land CANT be a country and TRY to join Albania, you will really face your superiors which are the Serbs.
(Nikola, 22 December 2010 17:50) ..................WOOOW that's a tough that " SUPERIOR" are you threatening someone or trying to show some Nikola AKA Serb "man" muscle ...

''Basically, the ICJ ruling tells the world, that if I declare that I'm Napoleon, then it's perfectly legal...''

If you wish to change your name, you are free to do it ! The application form to the local town court or municipality (it depends on legislation) in most of countries costs sth like 7 euros, and is perfectly legal ! It is the basic human right to change its name if the parents had terrible taste in choosing names...

"All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010 06:47) "

Basic principle of international law: if it's not illegal, it's legal.

Basic principle of international law: if it's not illegal, it's legal.
(Amer, 23 December 2010 21:25)

Then go back and seek that statement from the ICJ. This is your chance to put it beyond any doubt and show the Serbs they are wrong.

Oh, I forgot the US would shoot you guys for even thinking along those lines.

This whole concept of 'recognition' is just a victors' concept.

It is based on the assumption that the more force that is available to create a new truth, the more likely it is to become true.

Actually, these recognitions are an insult to the people of Serbia, and an insult to things such as the Helsinki agreement and 1244.

The law in Kosovo has emerged from the guns and planes of the KLA and NATO. It was caused by the determined ethnic ambition of the Albanian's who lived in Kosovo to drive out Serbian influence. They have succeeded in their ethnic cleansing of Serbs, and those who recognise the resulting aberrant creation are doing wrong. That includes the UK, the US, and Switzerland.

It was not just the Albanians of Kosovo who needed to be freed from the nationalism that Milosovic utilized (as was also utilized by Izbegovic and Tudjman so don't just blame the Serbs) for his political purposes it was also the Serbian people of Kosovo who were under consistent attack from the Albanians who had been ethnically cleansing them for years.

Kosovo does not deserve to be a state and is not a state until Serbia agrees it is. That is unlikely to happen, so for now it is the rule of force that is the deciding factor - and likely ever more will be so.

That makes Kosovo a protectorate and not a state.

I recognise that - so therefore it must be true…..

….. Why should my recognition be any less significant than some irrelevant Swiss who is paid too much and who is interfering in someone else's business?

So, when you say "illegal", you must be referring to some law other than international law. Can you clarify under what law you determined the illegality ?
(icj1, 22 December 2010 21:53)

All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010 06:47)
=================
Ari, this has been repeated to the Albanians a million times already but they just don't seem to get it.

Save your breath. You will never get through that brick wall.

All the ICJ determined was whether they're actually capable of declaring independence, not whether they should be independent.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010 06:47)

Nope, it did not say that. It said, I quote, "the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law".