Daily: Serbs’ organs sold in Europe, U.S.

“the Serbs had been taken to a private, ranch-like property on the city’s outskirts owned by then Albanian President Sali Berisha”, ie, in 1999.

Berisha (as everyone knows) “served as the President of Albania until his government collapsed in 1997 in the wake of collapse of pyramid schemes. From 1997 to 2005, Albania was governed by the Socialist Party (PS) for two mandates, while he stayed in opposition.”

Oops, busted.

Stupid, in fact.

Not that the issue is stupid – the issue is serious, and should be further investigated.

But tabloidish stupidity won’t help anyone.

It is comforting to know that someone was ther who cared and tried to help in some way.My heart goes to families of these poor souls at this time of year.

Now the World knows why the Hague destroyed the evidence.

Truly disgusting story glorifying Albania's contributions to society.

"I would welcome the input of a transplant medical professional to chime in with technicalities and feasibility, but I find it hard to believe that a relatively disorganized and a small organization such as KLA would have so much control over (then) Nano's Albania, as well as the logistics to do all of this (how many hospitals/clinics are capable of doing transplants in the Balkans?
(Jetoni, US, 22 December 2010 15:43)
I would like that, too. But don't forget that it's likely that only the "harvesting" has happened there, and not the transplantation itself. Furthermore, if you don't have to care about what happens to the "donors" later, it makes things much easier. You only need some ice cooled transport boxes, and a quick means of transportation, so the organs arrive the receivers in a short time (several hours only, maximum). I think traces will be found, from the receivers and the payed money.

This is a very bad orchestrated lie because Sali Berisha never had any ranch like property in the outskirts of Tirana and this can be easily verified ! So pls next time try to be more down to earth !

Really? first the organs were extracted in the yellow house and now you're claiming all the way in Tirana and in PM Sali Berisha's house???

Is this a joke....you sure it didn't happen in Clinton's house?
(KOSO, 22 December 2010 15:19)
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Nobody is claiming that it only happened in the yellow house. There were obviously several locations.

Now the only defense Albanians seem to use here over and over is the fact that transplants could not have taken place in the Balkans.
People, how many times has it been said that the organs were only harvested there and that can take place anywhere as the "donor" is not required to live.

Nobody is saying that transplants took place, only the harvesting.
So you can take this defense back and please stop using it. It just confirms that you don't have any comprehension of what is said or are just too stubborn to stop.

"But don't forget that it's likely that only the "harvesting" has happened there, and not the transplantation itself. Furthermore, if you don't have to care about what happens to the "donors" later, it makes things much easier. You only need some ice cooled transport boxes, and a quick means of transportation, so the organs arrive the receivers in a short time (several hours only, maximum). I think traces will be found, from the receivers and the payed money."

If you were harvesting corn, it could probably be that easy. For organ transplants, the donnor and the recepient must be matched, which means that biotests must be performed well ahead of time. Albania didn't have such lab facilities at the time, since they couldn't do transplants for their own citizens. People here keep mentioning organ donors that die in car accidents, but they forget that such donors have well established medical records in the moment of the accident, so the matching can be done.

If the UN and EU have any decency at all they will rush through a full investigation into these horrendous crimes.

Please protect these brave people.

"She paid significant amounts of money for every piece of information. "

Hey, pay me enough and I'll spin you a pretty good story, too - just don't ask me to repeat it to an investigator. You can go to jail for that!

Around 8,000 Muslims were killed in what is now seen as Europe's worst atrocity since World War Two.

After the massacre, Serbs dumped the victims' bodies into mass graves. They were later dug out with bulldozers and moved to smaller graves in an attempt to cover up the crime.

[link]
(Mark, 22 December 2010 18:52)

Mark, that link is from Reuters... You should provide something from RT (Russia Today), which is much more reliable with its independent and unbiased news reporting :) and is the idol of some of the posters here.

First Berisha was not the president of Albania in 1999, and the land that he owns must be something that this woman only knows cause Berisha never owed any land in that area. The land he owes is up north by the Yugoslav border.

Second, the "Yellow house" is NOT near Kukes, indeed not even close. The "Yellow House" is in Burrel, south of Kukes and quite far from it.

It was also funny about that other part of the Serb-Albanian who let her thru.

This is truly turning into a circus full of clowns.

I hope we can implicate Berisha. This Organ Scandal, if we handle it right, can bring down probably the entire Albanian narco-elites not just in KiM but in Albania and probably FYRoM too.

Wow so much of this story fairy tale,can someone please give some acurate details-evidence for this matter.
(victor, 22 December 2010 15:26)

I think that's the point of a full impartial investigation by a competent authority. Who knows if this stuff is true or false. Only a full investigation will reveal the truth. One thing for sure, though, Thaci's image has already been flushed down the toilet. You know, accusations are as good as guilt. Given the wide media attention to Thaci's alleged crimes, he has no future and the Albanian Kosovars will have to find a less tarnished representative.
FULL INVESTIGATION!

Regardless of whether these actions happened or not, to call the KLA and Albanian authorities "smart" for trying to make money off their killings unlike Serbs is possibly one of the most disgusting things I've ever read, and speaks bounds of the minds of these individuals. It's one thing having pride in your country, your homeland and your people, but to glorify crimes against humanity and then label them as "clever" is just unbelievable.

If this is true, I hope that Mossad gets an assignment to track down these so-called Kosovar narco-liberators. They will REALLY show them what suffering is.

Really? first the organs were extracted in the yellow house and now you're claiming all the way in Tirana and in PM Sali Berisha's house???

Is this a joke....you sure it didn't happen in Clinton's house?

This is quite disgusting. It is time for a full international investigation. Lets learn the truth about these acts. To think that the US/EU allowed such activity simply for some kind of perceived stability in the region. It is sickening.

Unfortunately it appears that these Albanians commenting are incapable of reason. So, we are wasting our time discussing technical or intellectual issues with them. Perhaps if we kept comments to more concrete issues, instead of abstract issues, our conversations would be more productive. Sometimes we have to play down to our opponents to get through to them. Sorry for your struggles Peggy and other intelligent people.

YESSSSSS!!!! Bring this text to Hollywood and you might have a chance to get the script approved.
Otherwise bring it to the university psychiatry department to explain to students how paranoid schizophrenia or delusional disorders look like.

lets not forget, albanians that it was carla delponte that first made this public.Now the whole world see's you albanians for what you really are.God bless Kosmet.

What animals these people are!

If these accusations are true it would be some of the worst crime against humanity since the middle ages. Horrible, horrible reading! How can anyone do this to someone else? What's wrong with these people? I'm disgusted and sickened.

Oh, for goodness' sake, can we at least get some real insight into this, and avoid these tabloid infused lobotomies?

This organ harvesting fiasco needs to be looked at seriously and professionally. Do understand; it's not because I think Thaci and his mindless robots wouldn't do it (they would!), it's because they would not have the means to do it. I would welcome the input of a transplant medical professional to chime in with technicalities and feasibility, but I find it hard to believe that a relatively disorganized and a small organization such as KLA would have so much control over (then) Nano's Albania, as well as the logistics to do all of this (how many hospitals/clinics are capable of doing transplants in the Balkans? I bet you can count them easily with one hand. And most likely, Kosova/o and Albania wouldn't be on the list at all). Something just doesn't add up.

I want to see what the hell Marty's proof is, and I cannot wait for the full report to be published, as this is a a thermonuclear bomb for this decade.

Two quick observations on this story:

First, given that it reads like something out of National Enquirer (the same people who claimed that Obama had only 6 months to live due to lung cancer while Michael Jackson was not really dead but was living with the eskimos instead), it is amusing to see the Serbs here feign outrage and disgust. Please, get real.

Second, the more of these thrilling accusations are thrown out there, in a "throw it and see what sticks" fashion, and the less actual facts are put forth to back the same, the less believable Serbia becomes in the eyes of the world.

This is not hurting the Albanian cause, just read the treatment given to this by most Western press outlets. If anything, it is proving that Milosevic's machine is alive and well.

Lies and more lies, Goebels would be proud of Serbian propaganda exept that today is a different time, and the truth will come out no matter dhe temporary sensation created by a lie.
it only shows us that things have not changed much with our nothern neighbors and that they will never give up in their quest to occupy Kosova again, it is a wake up call for all the Albanians that started to forget the war inflicted on them by Serbs, you cant cover up your shamefull acts of barbarity by accusing some one else (falsely)of worse crimes.

Wow so much of this story fairy tale,can someone please give some acurate details-evidence for this matter.

"The media whirlwind that surrounded the inquiry certainly did nothing to enhance its effectiveness. " Marty's report, para. 18.

This man is as big a monster as Mladic or Karadzic.
Two are charged/wanted as war criminals, while the other is made president.
Its true what they say about the winners getting to write the history.
However simlar to what Jetoni says below, is it possible to remove organs without top of the range equipment?, I guess so,
especially if you dont care if the donor dies, the second half of the operations seem to have been carried out abroad
where the facilites were available

Question for all the serbs: How many serbs should we Albanians kill to feel as innocent as you serbs feel toward Albanians?

What animals these people are!
(dingdong, 22 December 2010 16:50)

Which people?

Around 8,000 Muslims were killed in what is now seen as Europe's worst atrocity since World War Two.

After the massacre, Serbs dumped the victims' bodies into mass graves. They were later dug out with bulldozers and moved to smaller graves in an attempt to cover up the crime.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6670EP

What a story!
The woman left out the fact that Berisha is also a heart surgeon and he himself carried out most of the operations on the prisoners, while also being the party leader and the president of the country at the same time.

Berisha was not president in 1998-99,but from 1992-July,1997.
Berisha doesn't own a property in outskirts of Tirana,but used to have an 2+1 apertament in downtown Tirana till 2003 and today have a house near the Pyramid.
I didn't read more,but I saw the name of hospitals Durres and Vlora.
What a joke!
These are witness of Marty's report?
In a rare show of unity,every politician in Albania said that Marty should eveluated for his mental health.Usually I don't believe politicians ,but this time they are right about Marty.

"This is not hurting the Albanian cause, just read the treatment given to this by most Western press outlets."
Henry The Albanian

It proves that western press is still bias against Serbs. One reason is to justify the theft of Serbian land by claiming only one side to be the villain while in fact the other is the guilty one.
Seselj has been in the Hague for several years and still his case has barely started. Milosevic case took so long he actually died of age before his case was tried. Almost all albanians that were sent there were released after a couple of weeks. It's good though that the world is slowley but surely learning the real truth and who the real bad guys are. Having the US on your side gives you some powers but it also let's everyone know you are guilty of something very bad. The americans didn't manage to hide their war crimes in Irak, Vietnam etc and they won't be able to hide this for much longer.

Serbia should get all their people in one place. Their new stories contradict their old ones.

As someone mentioned. Mejdani was President at that Time not Berisha. Berisha doesn't own land there. He also has no mansion but lives in an apartment building.

Seems funny that no prisoner from the Tirana prison mentions they heard people speaking Serbian. Especially since they're already in and got nothing else to lose. You have 500 Serbs and nobody hears them in a prison speak in Serbian. Weird.

If the UN and EU have any decency at all they will rush through a full investigation into these horrendous crimes.

Please protect these brave people.
(kate, 22 December 2010 14:55)

Looks like your star witness has done a lot of traveling unimpedeed.
Come on Kate, I know you don't beleive yourself waht you are posting here.

Must say this testimony sounds phoney. It is very similar testimony to those that Milosevic was able so easily to crusify in his crossexaminations of his accusers.

Or then I must humbly neel down in front of an old saying "truth is stranger than fiction"...

Are you joking me!!! and you call this a reliable source or a story !!!???? IS THIS A JOKE if this is true any country around the world will be able to save a thousands of lives in war zone as easy access as she have.....

In stead of just killing they make also some money. Well hard to believe that Albanians are that smart.
Hmmmm, Serbia could be like Arab-emirates if they would sell organs.

Hey guys,
I like this. I really like this. The bubble is being inflated. Beautiful. We'll all have a bubble to play with. Everybody is jumping into it. But, like every game, it has its off-side situation. Because, while inflated the bubble is big enough for all the players, deflated there's very little room. Let's see who'll be in off-side when this bubble - like every bubble - will deflate. Normally it's not the smart guy who remains off-sede. Let's see who's the smart guy.
With very best wishes for all Balkanians.

Only the imagination of the crazy people can make this kind of story. Only the crazy media publishes such story. How somebody can believe this. Why you Serbs do not sit down once and think that we Albanians and you Serbs have our future and our children living in these areas and get rid of such poisoned environment. You have to understand that you will paid back because you killed thousands of people in Kosovo, Bosnia Croatia let aside a mass destruction of the all property and goods of the milions of people.

Wow I am amazed that these people don't even bother to come up with a decent lie.
Berisha was thrown out of power in 1997 by the Socialists for crying out loud and did not come back until 2005.
What "ranch" are they talking about for crying out loud? I lived across the street from the apartment building he lived in.

I had my doubts about allegations against Thaci but now I am completely convinced it's mothing more than a smear campaign.

Talk about a gigantic egg in the face.

I feel sorry for the missing Serb’s families to hear these horror stories about they loved ones. Did anyone thought how they would feel?
I’m Albanian myself and my city is mention here too. These are false claims and moreover very unintelligent accusation made from evil individual with very sick imaginations.
I’m not going to go in details, as many others have already done. However, for the Serb’s reading this article and commenting, i want to point out our poor healthcare system in Albania. So called “state of the art” clinics or hospitals are non-existent, if you know one please let me know. In my city the local hospital can only manage very basic operation. And this is one the biggest cities in Albania!!
I think what this story does; distract attention from the missing people Albanian & Serb, and has caused lot of offends to the people here. The Albanians form mainlands Albania in general are quite indifferent against the Serb’s politics, in comparison to the Albanian from Kosovo where real hates still remains. During a recent poll more than 50% of the Albanians in Albania did not looked Serbia as an enemy country compared to 90% of Kosovo Albanian’s who thought Serbia as a enemy.
However, the feelings are quickly changing and people are shocked how heartless these accusations are and everybody is not blaming Dick Martyn, but Serbia and Russia.

“Regardless of whether these actions happened or not, to call the KLA and Albanian authorities "smart" for trying to make money off their killings unlike Serbs is possibly one of the most disgusting things I've ever read, and speaks bounds of the minds of these individuals. It's one thing having pride in your country, your homeland and your people, but to glorify crimes against humanity and then label them as "clever" is just unbelievable.”

What is discussed here the truth or the opinions of individuals!!!! It is understandable that after this kind of clown story the people will start to joke as it actually doesn’t contain any substance of truth. Glorifying of such crimes exist only in your mouth since I haven’t seen any Albanian to glorify real crimes.

“If this is true, I hope that Mossad gets an assignment to track down these so-called Kosovar narco-liberators. They will REALLY show them what suffering is.”

That was the most interesting part of this comment. You contradicted yourself very badly here. Is MOSSAD your pride or what has to do MOSSAD in this story? I think that Israel has nothing to do neither with MR. Dick nor with Albanians. The first thing what you must have done before writing here against Albanians is to thank them for saving (100 %) your compatriots during WWII. Some months ago I passed close to Dachau Konzentrationslager where one can imagine what real suffering is. Remember that Albanians protected your people and didn’t not let them know what real SUFFERING could have been so please don’t come here and troll with your pathetic ideas.

First of all I don't believe this story.
If there was a organ removal from the victims that means that the prison where serbs were held would have been impossible to access from an outsider, that's a fact. If someone would have heard the screams I am pretty sure that person would have ended up dead.
This kind of information is not reliable at all. Everyone knows that if there is a criminal activity it's not easy to enter the facility where such thing take place and this person walked in there just like in her/his backyard?! Give me a break!!
But in the end, if such thing was done to the victims, I pray go god that the people who did that will burn in hell and never see a light in their life.
It's just WRONG

Everything "fits". The USA/NATO hated the Serbs so much that they did 78 days of bombing Serbian Yugoslavia. When the ethnic Albanian KLA made huge, huge sums of money, probably millions of dollars, from selling illict human organs, it would be probably easy to "buy off" USA officials & NATO officials in Kosovo and Albania to "look the other way"; as the USA/NATO hated the Serbs, anyway. The USA/NATO also probably hated Albanian collaborators to the Serbs. And illict human organs would aid Americans and Europeans in need of these organs even though this is a very evil, illegal practice. No real investigations are allowed by those international powers which support Kosovo independence, even though such international powers claim to assist; by not complying this move would be to protect any cooperation that was given to the KLA on this matter. Also, hospitals and doctors in the USA and Europe would have to be under investigation for what roles they would have been involved with.

If this is true, I hope that Mossad gets an assignment to track down these so-called Kosovar narco-liberators. They will REALLY show them what suffering is.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010)

But Ari I think Mossad did track the KLA. How do you think those Israeli patients found the way to get their kidneys from poor Turks and Kurds at the Medicus center in Prishtina?

First of all I don't believe this story.
If there was a organ removal from the victims that means that the prison where serbs were held would have been impossible to access from an outsider, that's a fact. If someone would have heard the screams I am pretty sure that person would have ended up dead.
This kind of information is not reliable at all. Everyone knows that if there is a criminal activity it's not easy to enter the facility where such thing take place and this person walked in there just like in her/his backyard?! Give me a break!!

(NK, 23 December 2010)

Oh c'mon we all know how easy that is, all you need is a guard who's half Serb half Albanian, a ton of money because you need it to extract information from the "corrupt" Albanians and a very vivid imagination.

"But don't forget that it's likely that only the "harvesting" has happened there, and not the transplantation itself. Furthermore, if you don't have to care about what happens to the "donors" later, it makes things much easier. You only need some ice cooled transport boxes, and a quick means of transportation, so the organs arrive the receivers in a short time (several hours only, maximum)." -Top

Top, I think you are grossly oversimplifying the procedures. For the record, and as I have let it be known, I am not a medical professional, so this is me trying some thinking/deductions from common knowledge and common sense.

Aside from pairs of organs (kidneys, eyes, and the like), if a transplant is taking place, it means the donor is well on their way to kicking the bucket. So caring for the donor is not what really worries doctors that perform these procedures - I would think ensuring the organs stay "alive" and are put into the recipient in a timely manner. In addition to ensuring that there are certain attributes that make both the donor and recipient compatible. Using only ice cooled transport boxes, as you say, to keep the organs cooled is a bit disingenuous and not being serious about the issue at hand.

The next issue is that, for argument's sake, I will grant you the above point as not being of concern (ice cooled boxes to transport human organs do indeed suffice). These organs made it to the west and were sold to the wealthy bidders. I still don't buy it. You mean to tell me 400+ organs were transported out, and not ONE of these illegal transports AND operation procedures was caught? Not a single one? Not even a single recipient ousted somehow? This is just too perfect even in theory, and flat out improbable to work in reality.

I really want to hear some legitimate points on how this could be carried out in the face of these obstacles. Do understand (and I feel I am repeating myself here), it is not because I think Thaci and his cronies are good guys and wouldn't do this (I have no reason to believe they wouldn't), however the practicality of it seems a bit far fetched. In light of lacking appropriate logistics, and somehow having 400+ people (organ recipients) be in complete silence, in addition to the alleged perpetrators (doctors "harvesting" the organs, some KLA bad apples, the transactions and its middle men, the transport, the distribution, the surgical procedures, etc.) is a bit too much to just swallow. All I have read so far about this has been tabloid caliber "reporting", and to be honest, it is insulting to the missing people and their suffering families.

@Jetoni," not ONE of these illegal transports AND operation procedures was caught? Not a single one? Not even a single recipient ousted somehow? This is just too perfect even in theory, and flat out improbable to work in reality."
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Since when is a recipient told whose organs they got?
How on earth can any recipient report something like this when they have no way of knowing where their kidney came from?

Please use another argument. The one which actually makes some sense.

Serbia should get all their people in one place.
(johny, 23 December 2010 03:13)

What do you think the country's motto is?

In her story, the woman, identified as LjK. did not just walk into the prison camp of the KLA. Paragraph 6 mentions" she managed to enter with the help of a local inspector who was a child of a mixed Serbian-Albanian marriage". Som But, remember, in regards to inspections, both the local officials and the international community did nothing at all anyway so the KLA must have felt her investigation would lead nowhere and really means nothing. And prisoners would be too scared of reprisals to talk to her. She probably was accompanied by at least a prision guard all the while she toured the prison. In regards for her not being killed for hearing screams all night, the screams could be explained by the prison camp officials as prisoners receiving disciplinary beatings or prisoners being physically interrogated for valuable information. The KLA would have no fear of mistreating prisoners, beating prisoners because, after all, the local officials, as well as the USA/NATO never cared,anyway, about what the KLA did to prisoners. And while she was there, prison security would make sure she would not have personally walked in on an organ surgery. She was probably only allowed certain access to certain rooms in the prison.

In 1999 Sali Berisha was not the president and not in power. He was living in his old apartment the only property he owned as he never owned a villa or a house. These facts can be easily verified. Oh boy..!! this story is getting better and better...

@Peggy

Peggy Sue, let's see. Hopefully you or someone else will get on board and have a sincere discussion with real arguments put forward. It certainly isn't a joke of a matter when we're talking about alleged butchering of people in a barbaric way.


"Since when is a recipient told whose organs they got?
How on earth can any recipient report something like this when they have no way of knowing where their kidney came from?"

Well, I wasn't talking about names here. But I am sure people would know that these organs, which they most probably paid a hefty amount for, came from not-so-legal channels. I am sure we can agree on that as a basis.

Next, the recipients most definitely had a history of bad health (since they needed the organs to begin with). I am sure we can agree on this step too.

Following the above two premises, the recipients have to have some sort of history on file somewhere. Doctors and insurance companies keep records of medical histories of these patients, since they probably did go to check themselves out during their ailment(s). So we have someone who is dying from heart failure (for example), and one day, they get all better because they have a new heart? No one asks any questions? Not even family members? Friends? Enemies even?


"Please use another argument. The one which actually makes some sense."

I did use other arguments. They were posted in this very thread (and are still up for the record!). It's pitiful you chose to downplay my argument, and didn't actually address ANY of them in a sincere and intelligent way. So much for "making sense".

Seems funny that no prisoner from the Tirana prison mentions they heard people speaking Serbian. Especially since they're already in and got nothing else to lose. You have 500 Serbs and nobody hears them in a prison speak in Serbian. Weird.
(johny, 23 December 2010 03:13)
so you admit albanians held people prisoner to carve out their organs.Thank you for supporting Kosmet.

"Well, I wasn't talking about names here. But I am sure people would know that these organs, which they most probably paid a hefty amount for, came from not-so-legal channels. I am sure we can agree on that as a basis."
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Yes and no. Recipients can speculate but they can't know. They may think that the payment was to bump them to the top of the list.
If you were dying and a new heart can save your life, even if you were suspicious you would most likely not want to know the truth anyway. As long as you get to live you will not ask too many questions, I would think.
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"Following the above two premises, the recipients have to have some sort of history on file somewhere. Doctors and insurance companies keep records of medical histories of these patients, since they probably did go to check themselves out during their ailment(s). So we have someone who is dying from heart failure (for example), and one day, they get all better because they have a new heart? No one asks any questions? Not even family members? Friends? Enemies even?"
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No need to ask questions. How many people travel overseas for surgeries these days? If you can't find a doctor who is willing to accept a body part for a fee and transplant it in your own city or country, you will go overseas for that surgery. What is your family going to say? They will say "Thank you Jesus, for my brother, sister etc. will get to live.
You don't owe your enemies any explanations and they cannot prove a thing even if they are suspicious. What do you think they will do? Go to the police and what? Say that they think you got an illegal surgery in Austria or Italy? Nobody is going to investigate something like this.
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I hope I have addressed your arguments now.

OH NO,in 1999 Berisha was only an agent of your UDBa,and as such helped some of your selected serbs to be exfiltrated in south america .
She claims that she recognized a doctor from Priština, identifying his surname as Petković, Goran Stolić from Prizren and Milorad Avramović from Istok

"You mean to tell me 400+ organs were transported out, and not ONE of these illegal transports AND operation procedures was caught? Not a single one? Not even a single recipient ousted somehow? This is just too perfect even in theory, and flat out improbable to work in reality."
(Jetoni, US, 23 December 2010 21:47)


I don't know, sure there are a lot of doubts. That's why I would like to hear the opinion of a doctor, a surgeon, or maybe a military doctor who knows how things can be done, even without a hosptital.

On the other hand, I think Marty is an expert and knows well what he's doing. Who would have thought that his accusation about the USA having installed secret prisoner camps in several European countries and transporting prisoners there would be true? How could it be, that nobody knew about it? That nobody noticed? The secret planes? That there have been no publicity? This story sounded bizarre and impossible, too - but turned out to be true.

YESSSSSS!!!! Bring this text to Hollywood and you might have a chance to get the script approved.
Otherwise bring it to the university psychiatry department to explain to students how paranoid schizophrenia or delusional disorders look like.

First Berisha was not the president of Albania in 1999, and the land that he owns must be something that this woman only knows cause Berisha never owed any land in that area. The land he owes is up north by the Yugoslav border.

Second, the "Yellow house" is NOT near Kukes, indeed not even close. The "Yellow House" is in Burrel, south of Kukes and quite far from it.

It was also funny about that other part of the Serb-Albanian who let her thru.

This is truly turning into a circus full of clowns.

Lies and more lies, Goebels would be proud of Serbian propaganda exept that today is a different time, and the truth will come out no matter dhe temporary sensation created by a lie.
it only shows us that things have not changed much with our nothern neighbors and that they will never give up in their quest to occupy Kosova again, it is a wake up call for all the Albanians that started to forget the war inflicted on them by Serbs, you cant cover up your shamefull acts of barbarity by accusing some one else (falsely)of worse crimes.

Two quick observations on this story:

First, given that it reads like something out of National Enquirer (the same people who claimed that Obama had only 6 months to live due to lung cancer while Michael Jackson was not really dead but was living with the eskimos instead), it is amusing to see the Serbs here feign outrage and disgust. Please, get real.

Second, the more of these thrilling accusations are thrown out there, in a "throw it and see what sticks" fashion, and the less actual facts are put forth to back the same, the less believable Serbia becomes in the eyes of the world.

This is not hurting the Albanian cause, just read the treatment given to this by most Western press outlets. If anything, it is proving that Milosevic's machine is alive and well.

Berisha was not president in 1998-99,but from 1992-July,1997.
Berisha doesn't own a property in outskirts of Tirana,but used to have an 2+1 apertament in downtown Tirana till 2003 and today have a house near the Pyramid.
I didn't read more,but I saw the name of hospitals Durres and Vlora.
What a joke!
These are witness of Marty's report?
In a rare show of unity,every politician in Albania said that Marty should eveluated for his mental health.Usually I don't believe politicians ,but this time they are right about Marty.

This is a very bad orchestrated lie because Sali Berisha never had any ranch like property in the outskirts of Tirana and this can be easily verified ! So pls next time try to be more down to earth !

Around 8,000 Muslims were killed in what is now seen as Europe's worst atrocity since World War Two.

After the massacre, Serbs dumped the victims' bodies into mass graves. They were later dug out with bulldozers and moved to smaller graves in an attempt to cover up the crime.

[link]
(Mark, 22 December 2010 18:52)

Mark, that link is from Reuters... You should provide something from RT (Russia Today), which is much more reliable with its independent and unbiased news reporting :) and is the idol of some of the posters here.

In stead of just killing they make also some money. Well hard to believe that Albanians are that smart.
Hmmmm, Serbia could be like Arab-emirates if they would sell organs.

What a story!
The woman left out the fact that Berisha is also a heart surgeon and he himself carried out most of the operations on the prisoners, while also being the party leader and the president of the country at the same time.

Really? first the organs were extracted in the yellow house and now you're claiming all the way in Tirana and in PM Sali Berisha's house???

Is this a joke....you sure it didn't happen in Clinton's house?

Are you joking me!!! and you call this a reliable source or a story !!!???? IS THIS A JOKE if this is true any country around the world will be able to save a thousands of lives in war zone as easy access as she have.....

Regardless of whether these actions happened or not, to call the KLA and Albanian authorities "smart" for trying to make money off their killings unlike Serbs is possibly one of the most disgusting things I've ever read, and speaks bounds of the minds of these individuals. It's one thing having pride in your country, your homeland and your people, but to glorify crimes against humanity and then label them as "clever" is just unbelievable.

If this is true, I hope that Mossad gets an assignment to track down these so-called Kosovar narco-liberators. They will REALLY show them what suffering is.

If the UN and EU have any decency at all they will rush through a full investigation into these horrendous crimes.

Please protect these brave people.

Wow so much of this story fairy tale,can someone please give some acurate details-evidence for this matter.

Question for all the serbs: How many serbs should we Albanians kill to feel as innocent as you serbs feel toward Albanians?

What animals these people are!
(dingdong, 22 December 2010 16:50)

Which people?

Around 8,000 Muslims were killed in what is now seen as Europe's worst atrocity since World War Two.

After the massacre, Serbs dumped the victims' bodies into mass graves. They were later dug out with bulldozers and moved to smaller graves in an attempt to cover up the crime.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6670EP

I hope we can implicate Berisha. This Organ Scandal, if we handle it right, can bring down probably the entire Albanian narco-elites not just in KiM but in Albania and probably FYRoM too.

Oh, for goodness' sake, can we at least get some real insight into this, and avoid these tabloid infused lobotomies?

This organ harvesting fiasco needs to be looked at seriously and professionally. Do understand; it's not because I think Thaci and his mindless robots wouldn't do it (they would!), it's because they would not have the means to do it. I would welcome the input of a transplant medical professional to chime in with technicalities and feasibility, but I find it hard to believe that a relatively disorganized and a small organization such as KLA would have so much control over (then) Nano's Albania, as well as the logistics to do all of this (how many hospitals/clinics are capable of doing transplants in the Balkans? I bet you can count them easily with one hand. And most likely, Kosova/o and Albania wouldn't be on the list at all). Something just doesn't add up.

I want to see what the hell Marty's proof is, and I cannot wait for the full report to be published, as this is a a thermonuclear bomb for this decade.

Now the World knows why the Hague destroyed the evidence.

Truly disgusting story glorifying Albania's contributions to society.

If the UN and EU have any decency at all they will rush through a full investigation into these horrendous crimes.

Please protect these brave people.
(kate, 22 December 2010 14:55)

Looks like your star witness has done a lot of traveling unimpedeed.
Come on Kate, I know you don't beleive yourself waht you are posting here.

Serbia should get all their people in one place. Their new stories contradict their old ones.

As someone mentioned. Mejdani was President at that Time not Berisha. Berisha doesn't own land there. He also has no mansion but lives in an apartment building.

Seems funny that no prisoner from the Tirana prison mentions they heard people speaking Serbian. Especially since they're already in and got nothing else to lose. You have 500 Serbs and nobody hears them in a prison speak in Serbian. Weird.

"She paid significant amounts of money for every piece of information. "

Hey, pay me enough and I'll spin you a pretty good story, too - just don't ask me to repeat it to an investigator. You can go to jail for that!

Really? first the organs were extracted in the yellow house and now you're claiming all the way in Tirana and in PM Sali Berisha's house???

Is this a joke....you sure it didn't happen in Clinton's house?
(KOSO, 22 December 2010 15:19)
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Nobody is claiming that it only happened in the yellow house. There were obviously several locations.

Now the only defense Albanians seem to use here over and over is the fact that transplants could not have taken place in the Balkans.
People, how many times has it been said that the organs were only harvested there and that can take place anywhere as the "donor" is not required to live.

Nobody is saying that transplants took place, only the harvesting.
So you can take this defense back and please stop using it. It just confirms that you don't have any comprehension of what is said or are just too stubborn to stop.

lets not forget, albanians that it was carla delponte that first made this public.Now the whole world see's you albanians for what you really are.God bless Kosmet.

What animals these people are!

Unfortunately it appears that these Albanians commenting are incapable of reason. So, we are wasting our time discussing technical or intellectual issues with them. Perhaps if we kept comments to more concrete issues, instead of abstract issues, our conversations would be more productive. Sometimes we have to play down to our opponents to get through to them. Sorry for your struggles Peggy and other intelligent people.

It is comforting to know that someone was ther who cared and tried to help in some way.My heart goes to families of these poor souls at this time of year.

If these accusations are true it would be some of the worst crime against humanity since the middle ages. Horrible, horrible reading! How can anyone do this to someone else? What's wrong with these people? I'm disgusted and sickened.

This is quite disgusting. It is time for a full international investigation. Lets learn the truth about these acts. To think that the US/EU allowed such activity simply for some kind of perceived stability in the region. It is sickening.

"I would welcome the input of a transplant medical professional to chime in with technicalities and feasibility, but I find it hard to believe that a relatively disorganized and a small organization such as KLA would have so much control over (then) Nano's Albania, as well as the logistics to do all of this (how many hospitals/clinics are capable of doing transplants in the Balkans?
(Jetoni, US, 22 December 2010 15:43)
I would like that, too. But don't forget that it's likely that only the "harvesting" has happened there, and not the transplantation itself. Furthermore, if you don't have to care about what happens to the "donors" later, it makes things much easier. You only need some ice cooled transport boxes, and a quick means of transportation, so the organs arrive the receivers in a short time (several hours only, maximum). I think traces will be found, from the receivers and the payed money.

"This is not hurting the Albanian cause, just read the treatment given to this by most Western press outlets."
Henry The Albanian

It proves that western press is still bias against Serbs. One reason is to justify the theft of Serbian land by claiming only one side to be the villain while in fact the other is the guilty one.
Seselj has been in the Hague for several years and still his case has barely started. Milosevic case took so long he actually died of age before his case was tried. Almost all albanians that were sent there were released after a couple of weeks. It's good though that the world is slowley but surely learning the real truth and who the real bad guys are. Having the US on your side gives you some powers but it also let's everyone know you are guilty of something very bad. The americans didn't manage to hide their war crimes in Irak, Vietnam etc and they won't be able to hide this for much longer.

“the Serbs had been taken to a private, ranch-like property on the city’s outskirts owned by then Albanian President Sali Berisha”, ie, in 1999.

Berisha (as everyone knows) “served as the President of Albania until his government collapsed in 1997 in the wake of collapse of pyramid schemes. From 1997 to 2005, Albania was governed by the Socialist Party (PS) for two mandates, while he stayed in opposition.”

Oops, busted.

Stupid, in fact.

Not that the issue is stupid – the issue is serious, and should be further investigated.

But tabloidish stupidity won’t help anyone.

Must say this testimony sounds phoney. It is very similar testimony to those that Milosevic was able so easily to crusify in his crossexaminations of his accusers.

Or then I must humbly neel down in front of an old saying "truth is stranger than fiction"...

Everything "fits". The USA/NATO hated the Serbs so much that they did 78 days of bombing Serbian Yugoslavia. When the ethnic Albanian KLA made huge, huge sums of money, probably millions of dollars, from selling illict human organs, it would be probably easy to "buy off" USA officials & NATO officials in Kosovo and Albania to "look the other way"; as the USA/NATO hated the Serbs, anyway. The USA/NATO also probably hated Albanian collaborators to the Serbs. And illict human organs would aid Americans and Europeans in need of these organs even though this is a very evil, illegal practice. No real investigations are allowed by those international powers which support Kosovo independence, even though such international powers claim to assist; by not complying this move would be to protect any cooperation that was given to the KLA on this matter. Also, hospitals and doctors in the USA and Europe would have to be under investigation for what roles they would have been involved with.

Serbia should get all their people in one place.
(johny, 23 December 2010 03:13)

What do you think the country's motto is?

This man is as big a monster as Mladic or Karadzic.
Two are charged/wanted as war criminals, while the other is made president.
Its true what they say about the winners getting to write the history.
However simlar to what Jetoni says below, is it possible to remove organs without top of the range equipment?, I guess so,
especially if you dont care if the donor dies, the second half of the operations seem to have been carried out abroad
where the facilites were available

Wow so much of this story fairy tale,can someone please give some acurate details-evidence for this matter.
(victor, 22 December 2010 15:26)

I think that's the point of a full impartial investigation by a competent authority. Who knows if this stuff is true or false. Only a full investigation will reveal the truth. One thing for sure, though, Thaci's image has already been flushed down the toilet. You know, accusations are as good as guilt. Given the wide media attention to Thaci's alleged crimes, he has no future and the Albanian Kosovars will have to find a less tarnished representative.
FULL INVESTIGATION!

@Jetoni," not ONE of these illegal transports AND operation procedures was caught? Not a single one? Not even a single recipient ousted somehow? This is just too perfect even in theory, and flat out improbable to work in reality."
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Since when is a recipient told whose organs they got?
How on earth can any recipient report something like this when they have no way of knowing where their kidney came from?

Please use another argument. The one which actually makes some sense.

I feel sorry for the missing Serb’s families to hear these horror stories about they loved ones. Did anyone thought how they would feel?
I’m Albanian myself and my city is mention here too. These are false claims and moreover very unintelligent accusation made from evil individual with very sick imaginations.
I’m not going to go in details, as many others have already done. However, for the Serb’s reading this article and commenting, i want to point out our poor healthcare system in Albania. So called “state of the art” clinics or hospitals are non-existent, if you know one please let me know. In my city the local hospital can only manage very basic operation. And this is one the biggest cities in Albania!!
I think what this story does; distract attention from the missing people Albanian & Serb, and has caused lot of offends to the people here. The Albanians form mainlands Albania in general are quite indifferent against the Serb’s politics, in comparison to the Albanian from Kosovo where real hates still remains. During a recent poll more than 50% of the Albanians in Albania did not looked Serbia as an enemy country compared to 90% of Kosovo Albanian’s who thought Serbia as a enemy.
However, the feelings are quickly changing and people are shocked how heartless these accusations are and everybody is not blaming Dick Martyn, but Serbia and Russia.

"But don't forget that it's likely that only the "harvesting" has happened there, and not the transplantation itself. Furthermore, if you don't have to care about what happens to the "donors" later, it makes things much easier. You only need some ice cooled transport boxes, and a quick means of transportation, so the organs arrive the receivers in a short time (several hours only, maximum)." -Top

Top, I think you are grossly oversimplifying the procedures. For the record, and as I have let it be known, I am not a medical professional, so this is me trying some thinking/deductions from common knowledge and common sense.

Aside from pairs of organs (kidneys, eyes, and the like), if a transplant is taking place, it means the donor is well on their way to kicking the bucket. So caring for the donor is not what really worries doctors that perform these procedures - I would think ensuring the organs stay "alive" and are put into the recipient in a timely manner. In addition to ensuring that there are certain attributes that make both the donor and recipient compatible. Using only ice cooled transport boxes, as you say, to keep the organs cooled is a bit disingenuous and not being serious about the issue at hand.

The next issue is that, for argument's sake, I will grant you the above point as not being of concern (ice cooled boxes to transport human organs do indeed suffice). These organs made it to the west and were sold to the wealthy bidders. I still don't buy it. You mean to tell me 400+ organs were transported out, and not ONE of these illegal transports AND operation procedures was caught? Not a single one? Not even a single recipient ousted somehow? This is just too perfect even in theory, and flat out improbable to work in reality.

I really want to hear some legitimate points on how this could be carried out in the face of these obstacles. Do understand (and I feel I am repeating myself here), it is not because I think Thaci and his cronies are good guys and wouldn't do this (I have no reason to believe they wouldn't), however the practicality of it seems a bit far fetched. In light of lacking appropriate logistics, and somehow having 400+ people (organ recipients) be in complete silence, in addition to the alleged perpetrators (doctors "harvesting" the organs, some KLA bad apples, the transactions and its middle men, the transport, the distribution, the surgical procedures, etc.) is a bit too much to just swallow. All I have read so far about this has been tabloid caliber "reporting", and to be honest, it is insulting to the missing people and their suffering families.

Wow I am amazed that these people don't even bother to come up with a decent lie.
Berisha was thrown out of power in 1997 by the Socialists for crying out loud and did not come back until 2005.
What "ranch" are they talking about for crying out loud? I lived across the street from the apartment building he lived in.

I had my doubts about allegations against Thaci but now I am completely convinced it's mothing more than a smear campaign.

Talk about a gigantic egg in the face.

Only the imagination of the crazy people can make this kind of story. Only the crazy media publishes such story. How somebody can believe this. Why you Serbs do not sit down once and think that we Albanians and you Serbs have our future and our children living in these areas and get rid of such poisoned environment. You have to understand that you will paid back because you killed thousands of people in Kosovo, Bosnia Croatia let aside a mass destruction of the all property and goods of the milions of people.

First of all I don't believe this story.
If there was a organ removal from the victims that means that the prison where serbs were held would have been impossible to access from an outsider, that's a fact. If someone would have heard the screams I am pretty sure that person would have ended up dead.
This kind of information is not reliable at all. Everyone knows that if there is a criminal activity it's not easy to enter the facility where such thing take place and this person walked in there just like in her/his backyard?! Give me a break!!
But in the end, if such thing was done to the victims, I pray go god that the people who did that will burn in hell and never see a light in their life.
It's just WRONG

"The media whirlwind that surrounded the inquiry certainly did nothing to enhance its effectiveness. " Marty's report, para. 18.

"But don't forget that it's likely that only the "harvesting" has happened there, and not the transplantation itself. Furthermore, if you don't have to care about what happens to the "donors" later, it makes things much easier. You only need some ice cooled transport boxes, and a quick means of transportation, so the organs arrive the receivers in a short time (several hours only, maximum). I think traces will be found, from the receivers and the payed money."

If you were harvesting corn, it could probably be that easy. For organ transplants, the donnor and the recepient must be matched, which means that biotests must be performed well ahead of time. Albania didn't have such lab facilities at the time, since they couldn't do transplants for their own citizens. People here keep mentioning organ donors that die in car accidents, but they forget that such donors have well established medical records in the moment of the accident, so the matching can be done.

First of all I don't believe this story.
If there was a organ removal from the victims that means that the prison where serbs were held would have been impossible to access from an outsider, that's a fact. If someone would have heard the screams I am pretty sure that person would have ended up dead.
This kind of information is not reliable at all. Everyone knows that if there is a criminal activity it's not easy to enter the facility where such thing take place and this person walked in there just like in her/his backyard?! Give me a break!!

(NK, 23 December 2010)

Oh c'mon we all know how easy that is, all you need is a guard who's half Serb half Albanian, a ton of money because you need it to extract information from the "corrupt" Albanians and a very vivid imagination.

In her story, the woman, identified as LjK. did not just walk into the prison camp of the KLA. Paragraph 6 mentions" she managed to enter with the help of a local inspector who was a child of a mixed Serbian-Albanian marriage". Som But, remember, in regards to inspections, both the local officials and the international community did nothing at all anyway so the KLA must have felt her investigation would lead nowhere and really means nothing. And prisoners would be too scared of reprisals to talk to her. She probably was accompanied by at least a prision guard all the while she toured the prison. In regards for her not being killed for hearing screams all night, the screams could be explained by the prison camp officials as prisoners receiving disciplinary beatings or prisoners being physically interrogated for valuable information. The KLA would have no fear of mistreating prisoners, beating prisoners because, after all, the local officials, as well as the USA/NATO never cared,anyway, about what the KLA did to prisoners. And while she was there, prison security would make sure she would not have personally walked in on an organ surgery. She was probably only allowed certain access to certain rooms in the prison.

“Regardless of whether these actions happened or not, to call the KLA and Albanian authorities "smart" for trying to make money off their killings unlike Serbs is possibly one of the most disgusting things I've ever read, and speaks bounds of the minds of these individuals. It's one thing having pride in your country, your homeland and your people, but to glorify crimes against humanity and then label them as "clever" is just unbelievable.”

What is discussed here the truth or the opinions of individuals!!!! It is understandable that after this kind of clown story the people will start to joke as it actually doesn’t contain any substance of truth. Glorifying of such crimes exist only in your mouth since I haven’t seen any Albanian to glorify real crimes.

“If this is true, I hope that Mossad gets an assignment to track down these so-called Kosovar narco-liberators. They will REALLY show them what suffering is.”

That was the most interesting part of this comment. You contradicted yourself very badly here. Is MOSSAD your pride or what has to do MOSSAD in this story? I think that Israel has nothing to do neither with MR. Dick nor with Albanians. The first thing what you must have done before writing here against Albanians is to thank them for saving (100 %) your compatriots during WWII. Some months ago I passed close to Dachau Konzentrationslager where one can imagine what real suffering is. Remember that Albanians protected your people and didn’t not let them know what real SUFFERING could have been so please don’t come here and troll with your pathetic ideas.

Hey guys,
I like this. I really like this. The bubble is being inflated. Beautiful. We'll all have a bubble to play with. Everybody is jumping into it. But, like every game, it has its off-side situation. Because, while inflated the bubble is big enough for all the players, deflated there's very little room. Let's see who'll be in off-side when this bubble - like every bubble - will deflate. Normally it's not the smart guy who remains off-sede. Let's see who's the smart guy.
With very best wishes for all Balkanians.

If this is true, I hope that Mossad gets an assignment to track down these so-called Kosovar narco-liberators. They will REALLY show them what suffering is.
(Ari Gold, 23 December 2010)

But Ari I think Mossad did track the KLA. How do you think those Israeli patients found the way to get their kidneys from poor Turks and Kurds at the Medicus center in Prishtina?

Seems funny that no prisoner from the Tirana prison mentions they heard people speaking Serbian. Especially since they're already in and got nothing else to lose. You have 500 Serbs and nobody hears them in a prison speak in Serbian. Weird.
(johny, 23 December 2010 03:13)
so you admit albanians held people prisoner to carve out their organs.Thank you for supporting Kosmet.

In 1999 Sali Berisha was not the president and not in power. He was living in his old apartment the only property he owned as he never owned a villa or a house. These facts can be easily verified. Oh boy..!! this story is getting better and better...

@Peggy

Peggy Sue, let's see. Hopefully you or someone else will get on board and have a sincere discussion with real arguments put forward. It certainly isn't a joke of a matter when we're talking about alleged butchering of people in a barbaric way.


"Since when is a recipient told whose organs they got?
How on earth can any recipient report something like this when they have no way of knowing where their kidney came from?"

Well, I wasn't talking about names here. But I am sure people would know that these organs, which they most probably paid a hefty amount for, came from not-so-legal channels. I am sure we can agree on that as a basis.

Next, the recipients most definitely had a history of bad health (since they needed the organs to begin with). I am sure we can agree on this step too.

Following the above two premises, the recipients have to have some sort of history on file somewhere. Doctors and insurance companies keep records of medical histories of these patients, since they probably did go to check themselves out during their ailment(s). So we have someone who is dying from heart failure (for example), and one day, they get all better because they have a new heart? No one asks any questions? Not even family members? Friends? Enemies even?


"Please use another argument. The one which actually makes some sense."

I did use other arguments. They were posted in this very thread (and are still up for the record!). It's pitiful you chose to downplay my argument, and didn't actually address ANY of them in a sincere and intelligent way. So much for "making sense".

OH NO,in 1999 Berisha was only an agent of your UDBa,and as such helped some of your selected serbs to be exfiltrated in south america .
She claims that she recognized a doctor from Priština, identifying his surname as Petković, Goran Stolić from Prizren and Milorad Avramović from Istok

"You mean to tell me 400+ organs were transported out, and not ONE of these illegal transports AND operation procedures was caught? Not a single one? Not even a single recipient ousted somehow? This is just too perfect even in theory, and flat out improbable to work in reality."
(Jetoni, US, 23 December 2010 21:47)


I don't know, sure there are a lot of doubts. That's why I would like to hear the opinion of a doctor, a surgeon, or maybe a military doctor who knows how things can be done, even without a hosptital.

On the other hand, I think Marty is an expert and knows well what he's doing. Who would have thought that his accusation about the USA having installed secret prisoner camps in several European countries and transporting prisoners there would be true? How could it be, that nobody knew about it? That nobody noticed? The secret planes? That there have been no publicity? This story sounded bizarre and impossible, too - but turned out to be true.

"Well, I wasn't talking about names here. But I am sure people would know that these organs, which they most probably paid a hefty amount for, came from not-so-legal channels. I am sure we can agree on that as a basis."
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Yes and no. Recipients can speculate but they can't know. They may think that the payment was to bump them to the top of the list.
If you were dying and a new heart can save your life, even if you were suspicious you would most likely not want to know the truth anyway. As long as you get to live you will not ask too many questions, I would think.
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"Following the above two premises, the recipients have to have some sort of history on file somewhere. Doctors and insurance companies keep records of medical histories of these patients, since they probably did go to check themselves out during their ailment(s). So we have someone who is dying from heart failure (for example), and one day, they get all better because they have a new heart? No one asks any questions? Not even family members? Friends? Enemies even?"
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No need to ask questions. How many people travel overseas for surgeries these days? If you can't find a doctor who is willing to accept a body part for a fee and transplant it in your own city or country, you will go overseas for that surgery. What is your family going to say? They will say "Thank you Jesus, for my brother, sister etc. will get to live.
You don't owe your enemies any explanations and they cannot prove a thing even if they are suspicious. What do you think they will do? Go to the police and what? Say that they think you got an illegal surgery in Austria or Italy? Nobody is going to investigate something like this.
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I hope I have addressed your arguments now.