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Tuesday, 21.12.2010.

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CoE's Marty visits Moscow

Council of Europe (CoE) Special Rapporteur Dick Marty said ON Monday in Moscow on Monday that he does not fear for his life.

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icj1

pre 13 godina

He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'
(Top, 21 December 2010 17:31)

But Switzerland is part of the evil West, not like some other virtous countries such as Russia and China (so we've been told by some in this site).

icj1

pre 13 godina

It will either be brought to trial if there is enough evidence, or it will be covered up by the powers that be
(IUPM, 21 December 2010 13:44)

You forgot to add "if there is not enough evidence"

the insider

pre 13 godina

dear pro-alb bloggers, please answer as to whether any of you are on the Kosovo government payroll and getting a salary, but without being assigned a function. So, PDK has told you to spend your day on the internet trolling for Kosovo until they find u a real job. You know it's true...

Top

pre 13 godina

"i mean, who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci? "
(iliri, 21 December 2010 22:19)
My god, it sounds like Thaci is a saint. So: Even if the organ harvesting allegetions should prove wrong, it's well known that he's corrupt, had mafia connections and was involved in organized crimes. There are several files of foreign intelligence services about that. He was a persona non grata in Switzerland. I don't understand the Kosovarians who want a person like that as a prime minister, or, beware, even the head of their "state"?

usaSERB

pre 13 godina

who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci?
(iliri, 21 December 2010 22:19)

You actually made me laugh with that comment. What career? Career of organ and drug trafficker . lol.. All you did is you gave me more excuses. You guys just don’t get it. Trying to explain something to you guys is like beating a dead bush. Some day you will get it. But I have feeling it’s going to be too late.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

as evidence. I do know that Thaci has warned Dick Marty to look for the best lawyers possible. I hope Dick Marty will not hide after the immunity of being a senator or EU official.
(EA, 21 December 2010 11:30)

Empty Argument, if you do know, then we are all safe...
Just tell me one thing, why you and alike "head in the sand" snake supporters are getting unbelievable nervous and aggressive, as far as I remember you are aiming at a civilized and democratic kosovo, then you should behave accordingly and not thru out empty threats at Mr Marty who at the end did what he was mandated by the CEO, nothing more nothing less. The very fact that the report was accepted by 27 EU countries, out of which 22 have recongnized your illegal UDI should be appealing for you...
Is this maybe the reason of your fricking out or ??

Amer

pre 13 godina

"2. If it happened it was way less than 500 people. Too large of an operation to be unnoticed. Too little space for such an operation. Too much risk with people from all over the world witnessing.

(johny, 21 December 2010 20:54) "

The report refers to a "handful" of victims; Carla del Ponte has recently said 10. The overly excited Special Prosecutor is the one talking about 500.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''I am sick and tired of excuses from Albanians on this issue.. Do you guys think that the whole world is stupid and ignorant. I haven’t seen one comment from Albanian trolls on this forum that would even remotely suggest that this crime was passable. You guys are in total denial. The way I see it, if the whole world is talking about it there is something to it. Something did happen. Why can’t you guys just admit that there is some possibility this crime did happen. And pray it didn’t. For the sake of everybody involved.
(usaSERB, 21 December 2010 18:55) ''

Well..how would you feel, if somebody, a retired prosecutor or simply a deputy of some foreign country, based on the fact that an empty bottle of antibiotics found in the dustbin of your favourite restaurant ten years later, not only acuses you of being involved in org crime, but allegedly points at you that you are the head of an organisation responsible for killing pow-s in cold blood and taking out their organs to sell the in the black market...Thaci is a public figure, maybe Kosovo is not as powerful country as Swicerland, but for a cosniderable part Kosovo people , Thaci is a popular politican, and thaci's image is a public property, he democratically got 30% of their votes, maybe the rest 70% might not like Thaci as much , but still i wonder what will happen if the allegation are prooven to be totally fake, and not just fake, but a fabrication which intends to harm not only Thaci as a public represantative, but also Kosovo statehood. Surely , Martin, being a deputy of a strong and well established state like chocolateland, will get away with an apology, but the damage is already done, general european public will probaly see Thaci as a moster because, masses usually miss boring news, it is the controversial news that attract general public attanteion...i mean, who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci? It will be no surprise if Thaci actually might fail to form a gov in Kosovo...and we all know that Beograd is the only subject to profit from this political inconvinience, only the fact that this report was published right after the elections is suspicious, if Marti wanted to help the people of Kosovo, he should have published this report sooner, and if he real wants the truth to come out, he should submitt al the facts and all he knows to Eulex as soon as possible...any time consuming is harmful to Kosovo people that Martin wishes to help so desperately. If Martin is so concerned about Kosovo future,why did he even conflicted with his own country policy by oposing Kosovo indipendece...of course, Martin , by being a strong oposer of Kosovo people will to have their own democracy, does not imply he is emotional in his job...

Kujto

pre 13 godina

"I am somewhat paranoic because what you wrote can mean many things. Please elaborate in better detail on this one. You can guess very safely, what I mean. Once burned - I don't want to write things accusing anyone of being medieval for no reason."

Karma is self-explanatory : "if one sows goodness, one will reap goodness; if one sows evil, one will reap evil." But suppose I punch you in the mouth for no reason. People say he will get his. If tomorrow one beats me up people will say, good, he had it coming.

What's medieval about that? Now 'goodness' and 'evil' are open to interpretations and don't necessary refer to money, health etc.

But Dick has purposefully sown the worst of evil and I hope he reaps evil, in the worst way possible. I will be even happier than Jeremic was with this 'report'

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

"..to get you Dick and no one will shed a tear for you."
(Kujto, 21 December 2010 16:59)

The Dick is the problem?!

You're just over reacting now!

You'll love him after all!

The most of recognitions will be withdrawn and you'll return in our hands of safety. You'll be owners of a real Passport, member of UN and you'll serve Serbian Army even. You'll be proud singing Serbian hymn and watching Serbian news every evening- 19:30 (good signal).

You'll find you love the Dick after all!

All the foreigners including the Dick is your specialty. Everything we don't like you like, actually. So we're good combination to live together and we- Serbs are grateful.

Je¿ vendetowy, kanunowy i dukagjinowy

pre 13 godina

"Asked by reporters whether he feared assault by Kosovo Albanians"

Karma is going to get you Dick and no one will shed a tear for you.
(Kujto, 21 December 2010 16:59)

I am somewhat paranoic because what you wrote can mean many things. Please elaborate in better detail on this one. You can guess very safely, what I mean. Once burned - I don't want to write things accusing anyone of being medieval for no reason.

johny

pre 13 godina

This guys name is Marty-not Milosevic..
Monster of horror is thaci not Marty..Yellow house is in albania-"organ trade" albanian other name..
(lids, 21 December 2010 17:09)

lids it has been established already that the old yellow house fairy tale was a bad joke. Get on with the news; update yourself. Now Marti claims this other house in Fushe-Kruje.
Even that seems like a fairy tale because:

1. This is a very populated area, very close to Tirana and at a time where thousands of volunteers from all over the world were there, it seems very implausible that there were 500 people in one little house and nobody saw this.

2. It becomes even harder to believe when the Serb prosecutor and even Marty claims that they were killed. In such a populous area where the red cross, doctors without borders, and just about any charitable foundation from all over the world was there, it is very implausible that nobody saw about 500 bodies being carried in and out of a little house in the middle of the city.

3. It is very implausible that nobody saw, heard 500 people being killed, in the middle of the city. Especially with so many foreigners around.

4. It is very implausible that 500 people were kept in captivity in a little house in the middle of a city; with so many foreigners around. It becomes even less believable when one considers that 400 of them where Serbs and could not have possibly disappeared in the crowd seeing that they couldn't speak Albanian.

5. It becomes even harder to believe that they were transported through the Tirana airport considering that it was managed by the NATO command and during and after the war there were no private flights.

Finally; there are some huge gaps in these stories. It is very weird that the yellow house theory was abandoned after hearing for so many years how many strong proofs there were about it.
So the possibilities are:
1. None of these things happened.
2. If it happened it was way less than 500 people. Too large of an operation to be unnoticed. Too little space for such an operation. Too much risk with people from all over the world witnessing.
3. Neither the yellow house nor this other house fit the story. Too many holes into the story.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'
(Top, 21 December 2010 17:31) ''

Being from Swiss don't neccesarily mean he is 'honorable'...well i gotta admit that Albania, i can not speak of Kosovo as i don't live ther, by deffault being a former communist country , has issues with corruption , as much as any other balkan country, but i would not be that blind to consider Martin a saint if i were you...maybe he was promised a residence in st stefan, or Jalta or both...who knows, even the most uncorrupted man would be tempted...after all we are humans, hedonism prevails in some stage of age...

Zoti

pre 13 godina

"Asked by reporters whether he feared assault by Kosovo Albanians"

Interesting how Marty is not afraid at all by these Albanian mafiosi who seem to have Europe under their iron fist.

Had he made these allegationg against the biggest head of a mafia-state, Vladimir Putin, he'd have had required 24hr secret service protection and still would have ended up having the same fate like that poor soul Litvinienko.

Arti

pre 13 godina

If Dick Marti had accused Putin, he might have had a reason to fear for his life.
Came on Marti, where's the evidence? He safely avoided the "yellow house" that was discredited already and came up with Fushe-Kruje closer to the Tirana Airport. But he forgot two facts:
a) Fushe-Kruje was better controlled by the police, and
b) Tirana airport at the time was controlled by the US army, that had a base of Apache helicopters there. The entire Albania's airspace was controlled by NATO. It's hard to beleive that they would allow private planes to come and go and transport organs as they wish, in the middle of a war.

Kujto

pre 13 godina

People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'"

The thieves, tax cheaters, terrorists, drug dealers and dictators that deposit their money there agree with you

usaSERB

pre 13 godina

this report is nothing but lies, especially when it comes to organ trafficking, how can anyone seriously claim that someone was cut up and organs removed in such circumstances such as the yellow house, I doubt that they had the capability to circumcise anyone let alone remove their organs to be resold.
(Krasniq't, 21 December 2010 13:33)


I am sick and tired of excuses from Albanians on this issue.. Do you guys think that the whole world is stupid and ignorant. I haven’t seen one comment from Albanian trolls on this forum that would even remotely suggest that this crime was passable. You guys are in total denial. The way I see it, if the whole world is talking about it there is something to it. Something did happen. Why can’t you guys just admit that there is some possibility this crime did happen. And pray it didn’t. For the sake of everybody involved.

lili

pre 13 godina

so ,for Dick Marty it is impossible that suiss presidencyignore tje laundering of kokain money in its country?So is he a criminal,and is its gvt a criminal gang that protects money lauderer?

Mark

pre 13 godina

but nothing happens without the knowledge of the boss in an organized group of criminals, Marty pointed out.

The perfect place to say that. Putin's Russia.

lids

pre 13 godina

This guys name is Marty-not Milosevic..
Monster of horror is thaci not Marty..Yellow house is in albania-"organ trade" albanian other name..

Top

pre 13 godina

"I think he went there to get the money for the report. His next trip is to Belgrade. He will get well paid for what he done against Kosovo."

He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'

Top

pre 13 godina

"I think that this report is damaging for new countries who don't know kosovo and will sway the decision to recognise the new republic, but this will never turn the wheel."
(Krasniq't, 21 December 2010 13:33)
Don't blame the one who brings the news, blame the ones who did the crimes. So: Who is "damagaing" Kosovo: Marty or Thaci and his currupt buddies who stick on their official posts instead of resigning?

Roni

pre 13 godina

I think he went there to get the money for the report. His next trip is to Belgrade. He will get well paid for what he done against Kosovo.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Yes, it seems we finally have competent people bringing peace and reconciliation to the region but others who support criminals and terrorists are in a panic and uncontrollable spin.

It is very simply guys - let the truth be known. Then we can reconcile and bring peace to the region.

Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

"Thaci, just like many serbs defend Mladic, Milosevic. And I'm not surprised about irregularities, neither. Election fraud is a small fish compared to the other crimes.
(Top, "

Thaci is not hiding, does that help with who the criminals are?

I am sure it does.
Now lets begging again... :D

In other crimes, patients volunteered to have their organs removed for a promise of cash. The doctors saw it as just another procedure. Serb woman tells carla, carla tells dick, dick tells serbs, and serbs think they got out of their butchered past, based on "allegations". Allegations reach Thaci, Serbs know they have to deal with Thaci over negotiations, but somehow they are scared to talk with him.

IUPM

pre 13 godina

EA, why do you, and other Thaci supporters scream foul, without waiting to see what comes out of all this? An accusation has been made, and the proper authorities will deal with it. It will either be brought to trial if there is enough evidence, or it will be covered up by the powers that be. But by sreaming assumption, you are inferring that Marti's findings have no merit. It makes you sound biased, not one that wants the truth.

Top

pre 13 godina

"In the interview for the weekly published earlier on Monday, the Swiss senator said that Kosovo cannot build its future without confronting its past, and that his report is not against Kosovo, but for it, especially for those of its people who want to live in a well organized society."

Exactly that's it. It would be only good for Kosovo, the state and the whole society to get rid of all corrup and criminal leaders

"He stated that his intention was not to influence the Kosovo elections, but added he was not surprised by the irregularities of the process because Thaci was so powerful there."
The report was released after the election. So there has been no influence. Well, probably it would not even have influenced the elections if it was released before, because, as we can see here,
still many Albanians defend their "hero" Thaci, just like many serbs defend Mladic, Milosevic. And I'm not surprised about irregularities, neither. Election fraud is a small fish compared to the other crimes.

useless

pre 13 godina

don't waste your breath dave. a few days ago the pro-alb moron bloggers on this site were pointing at marty's visit to russia immediately after the publication of the report as 'proof' that he was anti-albanian.

Krasniq't

pre 13 godina

the article states that this is for the good of Kosovo (whilst he is sipping champaign in MoscoW, and getting paid)

this report is nothing but lies, especially when it comes to organ trafficking, how can anyone seriously claim that someone was cut up and organs removed in such circumstances such as the yellow house, I doubt that they had the capability to circumcise anyone let alone remove their organs to be resold.

this report has been produce to clearly balance the new negotiations between belgrade and prishtina in the eyes of the west who support the Kosovars all the way, as the US is well aware of the mascaras and brutal inhumane killings that the serbs had done in Kosovo.

I think that this report is damaging for new countries who don't know kosovo and will sway the decision to recognise the new republic, but this will never turn the wheel.

the west is well aware of who the serbs and the kosovars ar

Dave

pre 13 godina

"Propaganda!" whine the regulars from Team Albania and their useful fools like roberto. "Marty's been paid by the Serbs, etc, etc" (which begs the question, if true, why they didn't just send Behgjet Pacolli round to Marty's place with his bag of dollars. It worked for Palu and Micronesia, after all).

Whereas there is still a way to go in establishing beyond reasonable doubt the truth of the allegations, it should be obvious to anyone not blind that this investigation is not politically motivated. Had the report been prepared by a Serbian expat NGO, one would be rightly sceptical. However this is the Council of Europe. Look at its record, hardly one of unalloyed Serbophilia/Albophobia. And the report's author is a respected senator from Switzerland, early recogniser of Kosovan UDI and long time home from home of the KLA and its successor mafia formations.

Whether you're convinced that Thaci is an organ farmer or not, at least don't insult the world's intelligence by trying to claim that this is a Belgrade plot.

EA

pre 13 godina

"The report does not directly involve Thaci in all the crimes, but nothing happens without the knowledge of the boss in an organized group of criminals, Marty pointed out."

To me the above statement means ASSUMPTION and I doubt that any Court of Law will accept the assumptions as evidence. I do know that Thaci has warned Dick Marty to look for the best lawyers possible. I hope Dick Marty will not hide after the immunity of being a senator or EU official.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Yes, it seems we finally have competent people bringing peace and reconciliation to the region but others who support criminals and terrorists are in a panic and uncontrollable spin.

It is very simply guys - let the truth be known. Then we can reconcile and bring peace to the region.

Dave

pre 13 godina

"Propaganda!" whine the regulars from Team Albania and their useful fools like roberto. "Marty's been paid by the Serbs, etc, etc" (which begs the question, if true, why they didn't just send Behgjet Pacolli round to Marty's place with his bag of dollars. It worked for Palu and Micronesia, after all).

Whereas there is still a way to go in establishing beyond reasonable doubt the truth of the allegations, it should be obvious to anyone not blind that this investigation is not politically motivated. Had the report been prepared by a Serbian expat NGO, one would be rightly sceptical. However this is the Council of Europe. Look at its record, hardly one of unalloyed Serbophilia/Albophobia. And the report's author is a respected senator from Switzerland, early recogniser of Kosovan UDI and long time home from home of the KLA and its successor mafia formations.

Whether you're convinced that Thaci is an organ farmer or not, at least don't insult the world's intelligence by trying to claim that this is a Belgrade plot.

useless

pre 13 godina

don't waste your breath dave. a few days ago the pro-alb moron bloggers on this site were pointing at marty's visit to russia immediately after the publication of the report as 'proof' that he was anti-albanian.

IUPM

pre 13 godina

EA, why do you, and other Thaci supporters scream foul, without waiting to see what comes out of all this? An accusation has been made, and the proper authorities will deal with it. It will either be brought to trial if there is enough evidence, or it will be covered up by the powers that be. But by sreaming assumption, you are inferring that Marti's findings have no merit. It makes you sound biased, not one that wants the truth.

EA

pre 13 godina

"The report does not directly involve Thaci in all the crimes, but nothing happens without the knowledge of the boss in an organized group of criminals, Marty pointed out."

To me the above statement means ASSUMPTION and I doubt that any Court of Law will accept the assumptions as evidence. I do know that Thaci has warned Dick Marty to look for the best lawyers possible. I hope Dick Marty will not hide after the immunity of being a senator or EU official.

Top

pre 13 godina

"I think that this report is damaging for new countries who don't know kosovo and will sway the decision to recognise the new republic, but this will never turn the wheel."
(Krasniq't, 21 December 2010 13:33)
Don't blame the one who brings the news, blame the ones who did the crimes. So: Who is "damagaing" Kosovo: Marty or Thaci and his currupt buddies who stick on their official posts instead of resigning?

Roni

pre 13 godina

I think he went there to get the money for the report. His next trip is to Belgrade. He will get well paid for what he done against Kosovo.

Top

pre 13 godina

"I think he went there to get the money for the report. His next trip is to Belgrade. He will get well paid for what he done against Kosovo."

He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

"..to get you Dick and no one will shed a tear for you."
(Kujto, 21 December 2010 16:59)

The Dick is the problem?!

You're just over reacting now!

You'll love him after all!

The most of recognitions will be withdrawn and you'll return in our hands of safety. You'll be owners of a real Passport, member of UN and you'll serve Serbian Army even. You'll be proud singing Serbian hymn and watching Serbian news every evening- 19:30 (good signal).

You'll find you love the Dick after all!

All the foreigners including the Dick is your specialty. Everything we don't like you like, actually. So we're good combination to live together and we- Serbs are grateful.

Top

pre 13 godina

"In the interview for the weekly published earlier on Monday, the Swiss senator said that Kosovo cannot build its future without confronting its past, and that his report is not against Kosovo, but for it, especially for those of its people who want to live in a well organized society."

Exactly that's it. It would be only good for Kosovo, the state and the whole society to get rid of all corrup and criminal leaders

"He stated that his intention was not to influence the Kosovo elections, but added he was not surprised by the irregularities of the process because Thaci was so powerful there."
The report was released after the election. So there has been no influence. Well, probably it would not even have influenced the elections if it was released before, because, as we can see here,
still many Albanians defend their "hero" Thaci, just like many serbs defend Mladic, Milosevic. And I'm not surprised about irregularities, neither. Election fraud is a small fish compared to the other crimes.

usaSERB

pre 13 godina

who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci?
(iliri, 21 December 2010 22:19)

You actually made me laugh with that comment. What career? Career of organ and drug trafficker . lol.. All you did is you gave me more excuses. You guys just don’t get it. Trying to explain something to you guys is like beating a dead bush. Some day you will get it. But I have feeling it’s going to be too late.

lids

pre 13 godina

This guys name is Marty-not Milosevic..
Monster of horror is thaci not Marty..Yellow house is in albania-"organ trade" albanian other name..

usaSERB

pre 13 godina

this report is nothing but lies, especially when it comes to organ trafficking, how can anyone seriously claim that someone was cut up and organs removed in such circumstances such as the yellow house, I doubt that they had the capability to circumcise anyone let alone remove their organs to be resold.
(Krasniq't, 21 December 2010 13:33)


I am sick and tired of excuses from Albanians on this issue.. Do you guys think that the whole world is stupid and ignorant. I haven’t seen one comment from Albanian trolls on this forum that would even remotely suggest that this crime was passable. You guys are in total denial. The way I see it, if the whole world is talking about it there is something to it. Something did happen. Why can’t you guys just admit that there is some possibility this crime did happen. And pray it didn’t. For the sake of everybody involved.

Krasniq't

pre 13 godina

the article states that this is for the good of Kosovo (whilst he is sipping champaign in MoscoW, and getting paid)

this report is nothing but lies, especially when it comes to organ trafficking, how can anyone seriously claim that someone was cut up and organs removed in such circumstances such as the yellow house, I doubt that they had the capability to circumcise anyone let alone remove their organs to be resold.

this report has been produce to clearly balance the new negotiations between belgrade and prishtina in the eyes of the west who support the Kosovars all the way, as the US is well aware of the mascaras and brutal inhumane killings that the serbs had done in Kosovo.

I think that this report is damaging for new countries who don't know kosovo and will sway the decision to recognise the new republic, but this will never turn the wheel.

the west is well aware of who the serbs and the kosovars ar

Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

"Thaci, just like many serbs defend Mladic, Milosevic. And I'm not surprised about irregularities, neither. Election fraud is a small fish compared to the other crimes.
(Top, "

Thaci is not hiding, does that help with who the criminals are?

I am sure it does.
Now lets begging again... :D

In other crimes, patients volunteered to have their organs removed for a promise of cash. The doctors saw it as just another procedure. Serb woman tells carla, carla tells dick, dick tells serbs, and serbs think they got out of their butchered past, based on "allegations". Allegations reach Thaci, Serbs know they have to deal with Thaci over negotiations, but somehow they are scared to talk with him.

Mark

pre 13 godina

but nothing happens without the knowledge of the boss in an organized group of criminals, Marty pointed out.

The perfect place to say that. Putin's Russia.

the insider

pre 13 godina

dear pro-alb bloggers, please answer as to whether any of you are on the Kosovo government payroll and getting a salary, but without being assigned a function. So, PDK has told you to spend your day on the internet trolling for Kosovo until they find u a real job. You know it's true...

Arti

pre 13 godina

If Dick Marti had accused Putin, he might have had a reason to fear for his life.
Came on Marti, where's the evidence? He safely avoided the "yellow house" that was discredited already and came up with Fushe-Kruje closer to the Tirana Airport. But he forgot two facts:
a) Fushe-Kruje was better controlled by the police, and
b) Tirana airport at the time was controlled by the US army, that had a base of Apache helicopters there. The entire Albania's airspace was controlled by NATO. It's hard to beleive that they would allow private planes to come and go and transport organs as they wish, in the middle of a war.

Je¿ vendetowy, kanunowy i dukagjinowy

pre 13 godina

"Asked by reporters whether he feared assault by Kosovo Albanians"

Karma is going to get you Dick and no one will shed a tear for you.
(Kujto, 21 December 2010 16:59)

I am somewhat paranoic because what you wrote can mean many things. Please elaborate in better detail on this one. You can guess very safely, what I mean. Once burned - I don't want to write things accusing anyone of being medieval for no reason.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

as evidence. I do know that Thaci has warned Dick Marty to look for the best lawyers possible. I hope Dick Marty will not hide after the immunity of being a senator or EU official.
(EA, 21 December 2010 11:30)

Empty Argument, if you do know, then we are all safe...
Just tell me one thing, why you and alike "head in the sand" snake supporters are getting unbelievable nervous and aggressive, as far as I remember you are aiming at a civilized and democratic kosovo, then you should behave accordingly and not thru out empty threats at Mr Marty who at the end did what he was mandated by the CEO, nothing more nothing less. The very fact that the report was accepted by 27 EU countries, out of which 22 have recongnized your illegal UDI should be appealing for you...
Is this maybe the reason of your fricking out or ??

Top

pre 13 godina

"i mean, who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci? "
(iliri, 21 December 2010 22:19)
My god, it sounds like Thaci is a saint. So: Even if the organ harvesting allegetions should prove wrong, it's well known that he's corrupt, had mafia connections and was involved in organized crimes. There are several files of foreign intelligence services about that. He was a persona non grata in Switzerland. I don't understand the Kosovarians who want a person like that as a prime minister, or, beware, even the head of their "state"?

johny

pre 13 godina

This guys name is Marty-not Milosevic..
Monster of horror is thaci not Marty..Yellow house is in albania-"organ trade" albanian other name..
(lids, 21 December 2010 17:09)

lids it has been established already that the old yellow house fairy tale was a bad joke. Get on with the news; update yourself. Now Marti claims this other house in Fushe-Kruje.
Even that seems like a fairy tale because:

1. This is a very populated area, very close to Tirana and at a time where thousands of volunteers from all over the world were there, it seems very implausible that there were 500 people in one little house and nobody saw this.

2. It becomes even harder to believe when the Serb prosecutor and even Marty claims that they were killed. In such a populous area where the red cross, doctors without borders, and just about any charitable foundation from all over the world was there, it is very implausible that nobody saw about 500 bodies being carried in and out of a little house in the middle of the city.

3. It is very implausible that nobody saw, heard 500 people being killed, in the middle of the city. Especially with so many foreigners around.

4. It is very implausible that 500 people were kept in captivity in a little house in the middle of a city; with so many foreigners around. It becomes even less believable when one considers that 400 of them where Serbs and could not have possibly disappeared in the crowd seeing that they couldn't speak Albanian.

5. It becomes even harder to believe that they were transported through the Tirana airport considering that it was managed by the NATO command and during and after the war there were no private flights.

Finally; there are some huge gaps in these stories. It is very weird that the yellow house theory was abandoned after hearing for so many years how many strong proofs there were about it.
So the possibilities are:
1. None of these things happened.
2. If it happened it was way less than 500 people. Too large of an operation to be unnoticed. Too little space for such an operation. Too much risk with people from all over the world witnessing.
3. Neither the yellow house nor this other house fit the story. Too many holes into the story.

Zoti

pre 13 godina

"Asked by reporters whether he feared assault by Kosovo Albanians"

Interesting how Marty is not afraid at all by these Albanian mafiosi who seem to have Europe under their iron fist.

Had he made these allegationg against the biggest head of a mafia-state, Vladimir Putin, he'd have had required 24hr secret service protection and still would have ended up having the same fate like that poor soul Litvinienko.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'
(Top, 21 December 2010 17:31) ''

Being from Swiss don't neccesarily mean he is 'honorable'...well i gotta admit that Albania, i can not speak of Kosovo as i don't live ther, by deffault being a former communist country , has issues with corruption , as much as any other balkan country, but i would not be that blind to consider Martin a saint if i were you...maybe he was promised a residence in st stefan, or Jalta or both...who knows, even the most uncorrupted man would be tempted...after all we are humans, hedonism prevails in some stage of age...

iliri

pre 13 godina

''I am sick and tired of excuses from Albanians on this issue.. Do you guys think that the whole world is stupid and ignorant. I haven’t seen one comment from Albanian trolls on this forum that would even remotely suggest that this crime was passable. You guys are in total denial. The way I see it, if the whole world is talking about it there is something to it. Something did happen. Why can’t you guys just admit that there is some possibility this crime did happen. And pray it didn’t. For the sake of everybody involved.
(usaSERB, 21 December 2010 18:55) ''

Well..how would you feel, if somebody, a retired prosecutor or simply a deputy of some foreign country, based on the fact that an empty bottle of antibiotics found in the dustbin of your favourite restaurant ten years later, not only acuses you of being involved in org crime, but allegedly points at you that you are the head of an organisation responsible for killing pow-s in cold blood and taking out their organs to sell the in the black market...Thaci is a public figure, maybe Kosovo is not as powerful country as Swicerland, but for a cosniderable part Kosovo people , Thaci is a popular politican, and thaci's image is a public property, he democratically got 30% of their votes, maybe the rest 70% might not like Thaci as much , but still i wonder what will happen if the allegation are prooven to be totally fake, and not just fake, but a fabrication which intends to harm not only Thaci as a public represantative, but also Kosovo statehood. Surely , Martin, being a deputy of a strong and well established state like chocolateland, will get away with an apology, but the damage is already done, general european public will probaly see Thaci as a moster because, masses usually miss boring news, it is the controversial news that attract general public attanteion...i mean, who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci? It will be no surprise if Thaci actually might fail to form a gov in Kosovo...and we all know that Beograd is the only subject to profit from this political inconvinience, only the fact that this report was published right after the elections is suspicious, if Marti wanted to help the people of Kosovo, he should have published this report sooner, and if he real wants the truth to come out, he should submitt al the facts and all he knows to Eulex as soon as possible...any time consuming is harmful to Kosovo people that Martin wishes to help so desperately. If Martin is so concerned about Kosovo future,why did he even conflicted with his own country policy by oposing Kosovo indipendece...of course, Martin , by being a strong oposer of Kosovo people will to have their own democracy, does not imply he is emotional in his job...

Amer

pre 13 godina

"2. If it happened it was way less than 500 people. Too large of an operation to be unnoticed. Too little space for such an operation. Too much risk with people from all over the world witnessing.

(johny, 21 December 2010 20:54) "

The report refers to a "handful" of victims; Carla del Ponte has recently said 10. The overly excited Special Prosecutor is the one talking about 500.

lili

pre 13 godina

so ,for Dick Marty it is impossible that suiss presidencyignore tje laundering of kokain money in its country?So is he a criminal,and is its gvt a criminal gang that protects money lauderer?

Kujto

pre 13 godina

People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'"

The thieves, tax cheaters, terrorists, drug dealers and dictators that deposit their money there agree with you

Kujto

pre 13 godina

"I am somewhat paranoic because what you wrote can mean many things. Please elaborate in better detail on this one. You can guess very safely, what I mean. Once burned - I don't want to write things accusing anyone of being medieval for no reason."

Karma is self-explanatory : "if one sows goodness, one will reap goodness; if one sows evil, one will reap evil." But suppose I punch you in the mouth for no reason. People say he will get his. If tomorrow one beats me up people will say, good, he had it coming.

What's medieval about that? Now 'goodness' and 'evil' are open to interpretations and don't necessary refer to money, health etc.

But Dick has purposefully sown the worst of evil and I hope he reaps evil, in the worst way possible. I will be even happier than Jeremic was with this 'report'

icj1

pre 13 godina

It will either be brought to trial if there is enough evidence, or it will be covered up by the powers that be
(IUPM, 21 December 2010 13:44)

You forgot to add "if there is not enough evidence"

icj1

pre 13 godina

He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'
(Top, 21 December 2010 17:31)

But Switzerland is part of the evil West, not like some other virtous countries such as Russia and China (so we've been told by some in this site).

Roni

pre 13 godina

I think he went there to get the money for the report. His next trip is to Belgrade. He will get well paid for what he done against Kosovo.

Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

"Thaci, just like many serbs defend Mladic, Milosevic. And I'm not surprised about irregularities, neither. Election fraud is a small fish compared to the other crimes.
(Top, "

Thaci is not hiding, does that help with who the criminals are?

I am sure it does.
Now lets begging again... :D

In other crimes, patients volunteered to have their organs removed for a promise of cash. The doctors saw it as just another procedure. Serb woman tells carla, carla tells dick, dick tells serbs, and serbs think they got out of their butchered past, based on "allegations". Allegations reach Thaci, Serbs know they have to deal with Thaci over negotiations, but somehow they are scared to talk with him.

Krasniq't

pre 13 godina

the article states that this is for the good of Kosovo (whilst he is sipping champaign in MoscoW, and getting paid)

this report is nothing but lies, especially when it comes to organ trafficking, how can anyone seriously claim that someone was cut up and organs removed in such circumstances such as the yellow house, I doubt that they had the capability to circumcise anyone let alone remove their organs to be resold.

this report has been produce to clearly balance the new negotiations between belgrade and prishtina in the eyes of the west who support the Kosovars all the way, as the US is well aware of the mascaras and brutal inhumane killings that the serbs had done in Kosovo.

I think that this report is damaging for new countries who don't know kosovo and will sway the decision to recognise the new republic, but this will never turn the wheel.

the west is well aware of who the serbs and the kosovars ar

EA

pre 13 godina

"The report does not directly involve Thaci in all the crimes, but nothing happens without the knowledge of the boss in an organized group of criminals, Marty pointed out."

To me the above statement means ASSUMPTION and I doubt that any Court of Law will accept the assumptions as evidence. I do know that Thaci has warned Dick Marty to look for the best lawyers possible. I hope Dick Marty will not hide after the immunity of being a senator or EU official.

Arti

pre 13 godina

If Dick Marti had accused Putin, he might have had a reason to fear for his life.
Came on Marti, where's the evidence? He safely avoided the "yellow house" that was discredited already and came up with Fushe-Kruje closer to the Tirana Airport. But he forgot two facts:
a) Fushe-Kruje was better controlled by the police, and
b) Tirana airport at the time was controlled by the US army, that had a base of Apache helicopters there. The entire Albania's airspace was controlled by NATO. It's hard to beleive that they would allow private planes to come and go and transport organs as they wish, in the middle of a war.

Dave

pre 13 godina

"Propaganda!" whine the regulars from Team Albania and their useful fools like roberto. "Marty's been paid by the Serbs, etc, etc" (which begs the question, if true, why they didn't just send Behgjet Pacolli round to Marty's place with his bag of dollars. It worked for Palu and Micronesia, after all).

Whereas there is still a way to go in establishing beyond reasonable doubt the truth of the allegations, it should be obvious to anyone not blind that this investigation is not politically motivated. Had the report been prepared by a Serbian expat NGO, one would be rightly sceptical. However this is the Council of Europe. Look at its record, hardly one of unalloyed Serbophilia/Albophobia. And the report's author is a respected senator from Switzerland, early recogniser of Kosovan UDI and long time home from home of the KLA and its successor mafia formations.

Whether you're convinced that Thaci is an organ farmer or not, at least don't insult the world's intelligence by trying to claim that this is a Belgrade plot.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'
(Top, 21 December 2010 17:31) ''

Being from Swiss don't neccesarily mean he is 'honorable'...well i gotta admit that Albania, i can not speak of Kosovo as i don't live ther, by deffault being a former communist country , has issues with corruption , as much as any other balkan country, but i would not be that blind to consider Martin a saint if i were you...maybe he was promised a residence in st stefan, or Jalta or both...who knows, even the most uncorrupted man would be tempted...after all we are humans, hedonism prevails in some stage of age...

Kujto

pre 13 godina

"I am somewhat paranoic because what you wrote can mean many things. Please elaborate in better detail on this one. You can guess very safely, what I mean. Once burned - I don't want to write things accusing anyone of being medieval for no reason."

Karma is self-explanatory : "if one sows goodness, one will reap goodness; if one sows evil, one will reap evil." But suppose I punch you in the mouth for no reason. People say he will get his. If tomorrow one beats me up people will say, good, he had it coming.

What's medieval about that? Now 'goodness' and 'evil' are open to interpretations and don't necessary refer to money, health etc.

But Dick has purposefully sown the worst of evil and I hope he reaps evil, in the worst way possible. I will be even happier than Jeremic was with this 'report'

Mark

pre 13 godina

but nothing happens without the knowledge of the boss in an organized group of criminals, Marty pointed out.

The perfect place to say that. Putin's Russia.

Kujto

pre 13 godina

People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'"

The thieves, tax cheaters, terrorists, drug dealers and dictators that deposit their money there agree with you

Zoti

pre 13 godina

"Asked by reporters whether he feared assault by Kosovo Albanians"

Interesting how Marty is not afraid at all by these Albanian mafiosi who seem to have Europe under their iron fist.

Had he made these allegationg against the biggest head of a mafia-state, Vladimir Putin, he'd have had required 24hr secret service protection and still would have ended up having the same fate like that poor soul Litvinienko.

lili

pre 13 godina

so ,for Dick Marty it is impossible that suiss presidencyignore tje laundering of kokain money in its country?So is he a criminal,and is its gvt a criminal gang that protects money lauderer?

iliri

pre 13 godina

''I am sick and tired of excuses from Albanians on this issue.. Do you guys think that the whole world is stupid and ignorant. I haven’t seen one comment from Albanian trolls on this forum that would even remotely suggest that this crime was passable. You guys are in total denial. The way I see it, if the whole world is talking about it there is something to it. Something did happen. Why can’t you guys just admit that there is some possibility this crime did happen. And pray it didn’t. For the sake of everybody involved.
(usaSERB, 21 December 2010 18:55) ''

Well..how would you feel, if somebody, a retired prosecutor or simply a deputy of some foreign country, based on the fact that an empty bottle of antibiotics found in the dustbin of your favourite restaurant ten years later, not only acuses you of being involved in org crime, but allegedly points at you that you are the head of an organisation responsible for killing pow-s in cold blood and taking out their organs to sell the in the black market...Thaci is a public figure, maybe Kosovo is not as powerful country as Swicerland, but for a cosniderable part Kosovo people , Thaci is a popular politican, and thaci's image is a public property, he democratically got 30% of their votes, maybe the rest 70% might not like Thaci as much , but still i wonder what will happen if the allegation are prooven to be totally fake, and not just fake, but a fabrication which intends to harm not only Thaci as a public represantative, but also Kosovo statehood. Surely , Martin, being a deputy of a strong and well established state like chocolateland, will get away with an apology, but the damage is already done, general european public will probaly see Thaci as a moster because, masses usually miss boring news, it is the controversial news that attract general public attanteion...i mean, who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci? It will be no surprise if Thaci actually might fail to form a gov in Kosovo...and we all know that Beograd is the only subject to profit from this political inconvinience, only the fact that this report was published right after the elections is suspicious, if Marti wanted to help the people of Kosovo, he should have published this report sooner, and if he real wants the truth to come out, he should submitt al the facts and all he knows to Eulex as soon as possible...any time consuming is harmful to Kosovo people that Martin wishes to help so desperately. If Martin is so concerned about Kosovo future,why did he even conflicted with his own country policy by oposing Kosovo indipendece...of course, Martin , by being a strong oposer of Kosovo people will to have their own democracy, does not imply he is emotional in his job...

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Yes, it seems we finally have competent people bringing peace and reconciliation to the region but others who support criminals and terrorists are in a panic and uncontrollable spin.

It is very simply guys - let the truth be known. Then we can reconcile and bring peace to the region.

johny

pre 13 godina

This guys name is Marty-not Milosevic..
Monster of horror is thaci not Marty..Yellow house is in albania-"organ trade" albanian other name..
(lids, 21 December 2010 17:09)

lids it has been established already that the old yellow house fairy tale was a bad joke. Get on with the news; update yourself. Now Marti claims this other house in Fushe-Kruje.
Even that seems like a fairy tale because:

1. This is a very populated area, very close to Tirana and at a time where thousands of volunteers from all over the world were there, it seems very implausible that there were 500 people in one little house and nobody saw this.

2. It becomes even harder to believe when the Serb prosecutor and even Marty claims that they were killed. In such a populous area where the red cross, doctors without borders, and just about any charitable foundation from all over the world was there, it is very implausible that nobody saw about 500 bodies being carried in and out of a little house in the middle of the city.

3. It is very implausible that nobody saw, heard 500 people being killed, in the middle of the city. Especially with so many foreigners around.

4. It is very implausible that 500 people were kept in captivity in a little house in the middle of a city; with so many foreigners around. It becomes even less believable when one considers that 400 of them where Serbs and could not have possibly disappeared in the crowd seeing that they couldn't speak Albanian.

5. It becomes even harder to believe that they were transported through the Tirana airport considering that it was managed by the NATO command and during and after the war there were no private flights.

Finally; there are some huge gaps in these stories. It is very weird that the yellow house theory was abandoned after hearing for so many years how many strong proofs there were about it.
So the possibilities are:
1. None of these things happened.
2. If it happened it was way less than 500 people. Too large of an operation to be unnoticed. Too little space for such an operation. Too much risk with people from all over the world witnessing.
3. Neither the yellow house nor this other house fit the story. Too many holes into the story.

lids

pre 13 godina

This guys name is Marty-not Milosevic..
Monster of horror is thaci not Marty..Yellow house is in albania-"organ trade" albanian other name..

useless

pre 13 godina

don't waste your breath dave. a few days ago the pro-alb moron bloggers on this site were pointing at marty's visit to russia immediately after the publication of the report as 'proof' that he was anti-albanian.

IUPM

pre 13 godina

EA, why do you, and other Thaci supporters scream foul, without waiting to see what comes out of all this? An accusation has been made, and the proper authorities will deal with it. It will either be brought to trial if there is enough evidence, or it will be covered up by the powers that be. But by sreaming assumption, you are inferring that Marti's findings have no merit. It makes you sound biased, not one that wants the truth.

Top

pre 13 godina

"I think that this report is damaging for new countries who don't know kosovo and will sway the decision to recognise the new republic, but this will never turn the wheel."
(Krasniq't, 21 December 2010 13:33)
Don't blame the one who brings the news, blame the ones who did the crimes. So: Who is "damagaing" Kosovo: Marty or Thaci and his currupt buddies who stick on their official posts instead of resigning?

Amer

pre 13 godina

"2. If it happened it was way less than 500 people. Too large of an operation to be unnoticed. Too little space for such an operation. Too much risk with people from all over the world witnessing.

(johny, 21 December 2010 20:54) "

The report refers to a "handful" of victims; Carla del Ponte has recently said 10. The overly excited Special Prosecutor is the one talking about 500.

Top

pre 13 godina

"I think he went there to get the money for the report. His next trip is to Belgrade. He will get well paid for what he done against Kosovo."

He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'

Top

pre 13 godina

"In the interview for the weekly published earlier on Monday, the Swiss senator said that Kosovo cannot build its future without confronting its past, and that his report is not against Kosovo, but for it, especially for those of its people who want to live in a well organized society."

Exactly that's it. It would be only good for Kosovo, the state and the whole society to get rid of all corrup and criminal leaders

"He stated that his intention was not to influence the Kosovo elections, but added he was not surprised by the irregularities of the process because Thaci was so powerful there."
The report was released after the election. So there has been no influence. Well, probably it would not even have influenced the elections if it was released before, because, as we can see here,
still many Albanians defend their "hero" Thaci, just like many serbs defend Mladic, Milosevic. And I'm not surprised about irregularities, neither. Election fraud is a small fish compared to the other crimes.

usaSERB

pre 13 godina

this report is nothing but lies, especially when it comes to organ trafficking, how can anyone seriously claim that someone was cut up and organs removed in such circumstances such as the yellow house, I doubt that they had the capability to circumcise anyone let alone remove their organs to be resold.
(Krasniq't, 21 December 2010 13:33)


I am sick and tired of excuses from Albanians on this issue.. Do you guys think that the whole world is stupid and ignorant. I haven’t seen one comment from Albanian trolls on this forum that would even remotely suggest that this crime was passable. You guys are in total denial. The way I see it, if the whole world is talking about it there is something to it. Something did happen. Why can’t you guys just admit that there is some possibility this crime did happen. And pray it didn’t. For the sake of everybody involved.

usaSERB

pre 13 godina

who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci?
(iliri, 21 December 2010 22:19)

You actually made me laugh with that comment. What career? Career of organ and drug trafficker . lol.. All you did is you gave me more excuses. You guys just don’t get it. Trying to explain something to you guys is like beating a dead bush. Some day you will get it. But I have feeling it’s going to be too late.

Je¿ vendetowy, kanunowy i dukagjinowy

pre 13 godina

"Asked by reporters whether he feared assault by Kosovo Albanians"

Karma is going to get you Dick and no one will shed a tear for you.
(Kujto, 21 December 2010 16:59)

I am somewhat paranoic because what you wrote can mean many things. Please elaborate in better detail on this one. You can guess very safely, what I mean. Once burned - I don't want to write things accusing anyone of being medieval for no reason.

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

"..to get you Dick and no one will shed a tear for you."
(Kujto, 21 December 2010 16:59)

The Dick is the problem?!

You're just over reacting now!

You'll love him after all!

The most of recognitions will be withdrawn and you'll return in our hands of safety. You'll be owners of a real Passport, member of UN and you'll serve Serbian Army even. You'll be proud singing Serbian hymn and watching Serbian news every evening- 19:30 (good signal).

You'll find you love the Dick after all!

All the foreigners including the Dick is your specialty. Everything we don't like you like, actually. So we're good combination to live together and we- Serbs are grateful.

the insider

pre 13 godina

dear pro-alb bloggers, please answer as to whether any of you are on the Kosovo government payroll and getting a salary, but without being assigned a function. So, PDK has told you to spend your day on the internet trolling for Kosovo until they find u a real job. You know it's true...

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

as evidence. I do know that Thaci has warned Dick Marty to look for the best lawyers possible. I hope Dick Marty will not hide after the immunity of being a senator or EU official.
(EA, 21 December 2010 11:30)

Empty Argument, if you do know, then we are all safe...
Just tell me one thing, why you and alike "head in the sand" snake supporters are getting unbelievable nervous and aggressive, as far as I remember you are aiming at a civilized and democratic kosovo, then you should behave accordingly and not thru out empty threats at Mr Marty who at the end did what he was mandated by the CEO, nothing more nothing less. The very fact that the report was accepted by 27 EU countries, out of which 22 have recongnized your illegal UDI should be appealing for you...
Is this maybe the reason of your fricking out or ??

Top

pre 13 godina

"i mean, who will take responsibilit for destroying the career of Thaci? "
(iliri, 21 December 2010 22:19)
My god, it sounds like Thaci is a saint. So: Even if the organ harvesting allegetions should prove wrong, it's well known that he's corrupt, had mafia connections and was involved in organized crimes. There are several files of foreign intelligence services about that. He was a persona non grata in Switzerland. I don't understand the Kosovarians who want a person like that as a prime minister, or, beware, even the head of their "state"?

icj1

pre 13 godina

It will either be brought to trial if there is enough evidence, or it will be covered up by the powers that be
(IUPM, 21 December 2010 13:44)

You forgot to add "if there is not enough evidence"

icj1

pre 13 godina

He's a honourable man from Switzerland. People there usually are not used to buy witnesses, reports, or votes in elections - unlike in some other 'country'
(Top, 21 December 2010 17:31)

But Switzerland is part of the evil West, not like some other virtous countries such as Russia and China (so we've been told by some in this site).