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U.S. asks for evidence on organ trafficking

The U.S. takes seriously all claims on criminal activities, Department of State spokesperson Philip Crowley has stated.

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sj

pre 13 godina

(johny, 17 December 2010 20:37)

Another Albanian posting regurgitations of America the Brave. Perhaps if you can earn enough delivering pizzas you might leave those shores and see some of this world and you’ll not be writing this crap in this or any other forum.
I always love these immigrants who go to the US or other western country and work for peanuts doing jobs they would never have contemplated in their wildest dreams and then calling it fabulous. Earning $6.50 to $7 per hour while working 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet, but not having enough to get medical insurance and to top it off they call it heaven on earth.
Perhaps you might save enough to travel your country and see the level of abject poverty or as one BBC reported called it “poverty in some parts of the US today is far worse than India”. Now that’s a great recommendation!

johny

pre 13 godina

Anyone with any rationality can see that the American way of life is better than that of Russia and China, but, every country still has corrupt individuals running it. EVERY. They're politicians; who are you expecting, care bears?
(Ari Gold, 17 December 2010 07:15)

Nobody is denying that. But being an ardent anti-Westerner and expressing dissatisfaction over corrupt politicians are totally different. This site gathers more of the anti-Westerner crowd than those who are truly striving for the betterment of our Western civilization. These are people who pray for the west to fall; yet have no guts to leave the West an make a living in their beloved countries such a China, Russia, Iran, North Korea. My criticism goes towards those people.

Endri

pre 13 godina

"The Chams,as it's well documented,were axis collaborators responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Greeks and thousands of Jews in World war II.Considering that all collaborators were put against the wall in many countries across europe,the Chams were lucky to escape with expulsions only."

Could you give us any proof that chams were all responsible for the death of greeks and suprisingly jews. Hm... you like very much the last dont you. So mister Leonidakis you suggest that all innocent cham victims of greek terror such as old men and children were also colaborators right!!! If I were you I could suggest at that time the we must have expelled all greeks in Albania in response to your masacres against the cham albanian population. But the world works other way around. Your racism is indeed common among greeks. The collaborters who were put against the wall were directly involved in crimes while the populations hasnt to be blame absolutely. There was no country in Europe without nazi collaboartors.

And about terrorism. 17 Nov operated from year 1975. So the greece didnt have enough time to prepare its police force for 22 years!!!! You can not sell here such ridiculos explanations. Anyway you should start to count up the new terrorrist organisation which oeperate in Greece right now. I dont think that the next time the british police will be next to you.

The Bug - "lassan, Bogár"

pre 13 godina

and Igel said it all :)
(The Swiss, 17 December 2010 01:02)

The "worst" posting actually was the most innocent-looking when I became the "slow bug" in Polish, not even a hedgehog.

The background is known to Szemi only, I wonder how I received two "+" at all.

Basically, "Bug" = "Bogár" was the family name of Hungarian hangman. As he hanged the war criminal Szálasi, the leader of Hungarian nazis the crowd cheered "do it slowly, take your time, Bogár" - so writing as "slow Bug" under that topic was a certain, well-founded wish what the fate of that nazi pig now in Argentina should be.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71559

The funny thing is, Joe this time mistake Szemi for me, thinking just the opposite.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

and Igel said it all :)
(The Swiss, 17 December 2010 01:02)

The real "Igel"-s are sleeping now, hope they accumulated enough fat to keep them alive till March-April when they wake up. The Russian/Hungarian/American cyber-hedgehogs are menacing B92. But since they learned German from young age of 4 and lived near München for a while, they can turn into an "Igel" sometimes. They can't speak Polish or Albanian but these facts don't prevent them to turn into a "Je¿" or "Iriqi" just to tease Albanians, Szemi and Peter Sudyka.

But who knows, at the end maybe I learn Polish and Albanian. It looks like Peter and Johny/Gjon are very satisfied with the progress :-P

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

be pampered by the west. Maybe if EU throws $100billion at Kosovo, life will be much better.

The west also turned a blind eye to Greek attrocities toward Albanian Cham population in 1944, where some 5000 were slaughtered and 70K expelled.

They also turned a blind eye towards your terrorist groups such as November 17 which roamed free in Greece for decades killing westeners and terrorizing many. I guess you know better, cause you speak out of experience.
(Denis, 17 December 2010 03:17)
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If you call a country lucky from having virtually no debt before joining the EU
and thirty years onwards fighting for its survival then you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.The same applies to Ireland,Portugal,Spain not to mention Romania,Latvia,Hungary which survive on IMF loans.

The 100 billion euros you mentioned that Greece receivevd through CAP (all countries receive this)is insignificant to 25billion euros we pay annually to German and French banks in interest payments let alone the huge inbalances in our trade with those countries.

The Chams,as it's well documented,were axis collaborators responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Greeks and thousands of Jews in World war II.Considering that all collaborators were put against the wall in many countries across europe,the Chams were lucky to escape with expulsions only.

!7 of November was not different than the
Italian red brigades or the German Bander
groups.The police authorities in Greece were not turning a blind eye as you suggest but had no experience in dealing with terrorism before.Eventually with help from the British police they succeeded to disband the group and jail all its members.

Ari Gold

pre 13 godina

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are; the alternatives out there are way worse. China a dictatorship and Russia a mafia captured dictatorship. You pick and choose. I'll go with the US anytime; anyday, despite of the usual haters here. When you guys posting from the US start immigrating to China and Russia for a better life then you might have a little credibility. Until then keep on hating.
(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Anyone with any rationality can see that the American way of life is better than that of Russia and China, but, every country still has corrupt individuals running it. EVERY. They're politicians; who are you expecting, care bears?

sj

pre 13 godina

Let me predict the Circus de sole’s, or more commonly known as the US State Department, response to whatever evidence is place before them “after careful consideration of all facts and consultation with our legal experts there is no case to answer; these are only rumors and hearsay”.

Denis

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.But may i remind him that back in the yeat 2000 Ralf Mutshcke, Assistant Director of Interpol's Criminal Intelligence Directorate said before Congress the KLA was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade ,extortion,human trafficking and loans from Islamic countries including Al Qaeda.

This was the "dirty policy" devised by the late godfather R Holbrook and continues with the same dilligence today.Kosovo today is the major entry point into europe for the heroin trade supplied by the war lords in Afganistan and also the center for Islamic jihad operations into mainland europe.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You are right, Kosovo today is poor and crime ridden, they weren't as lucky as Greece to get all the free money and be pampered by the west. Maybe if EU throws $100billion at Kosovo, life will be much better.

The west also turned a blind eye to Greek attrocities toward Albanian Cham population in 1944, where some 5000 were slaughtered and 70K expelled.

They also turned a blind eye towards your terrorist groups such as November 17 which roamed free in Greece for decades killing westeners and terrorizing many. I guess you know better, cause you speak out of experience.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"Hail Wikileaks. It's all coming out in the was now. Julian Assange did the world a huge failure by exposing what many of us thought.....

The whole charade was one big massive cover up, built on a foundation of lies, fabrications and double standards.
(Niall O'Doherty, 16 December 2010 16:29) "

So far there seem to have been remarkably few examples of US "lies, fabrications and double standards" found in the Wikileaks documents. In fact, Iran is saying that the CIA is behind the release of the cables, since they make the US look good. You seem to be be getting all worked up a little prematurely.

sj

pre 13 godina

(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Your going to get your wish very soon as the US turns towards a dictatorship – this will occur as living standards begin to drop dramatically or ones that even CNN or Fox cannot paste over. There will be boogie men everywhere and tighter laws are needed to just keep the country together – its all coming.

China has several thousand westerns living and working within its borders now so this will escalate even more as the west declines and the BRIC countries rise to the top. The Russians are not at that stage yet, but they are not too far of that mark either.

In fact there are many highly qualified Americans looking at leaving the good old US of A because there are no jobs. You have teachers working in menial jobs just to survive.

Children in the US were asked what they wanted for Christmas 2010 – they replied just cloths; not designer cloths, jus plain cloths. Tells you a lot about the real US of A.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

can be a wonderful team or family. Here I say again the same and I feel I have enough experience to say that.
(Ataman, 16 December 2010 23:42

and Igel said it all :)

Ataman

pre 13 godina

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are
(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Johny, I think the views and actions of US-government and the managment style of large American corporations is anti-American and anti-Western. They are the savage cavemen who de-facto hate America and the Western (or any) civilization.

I don't hate them, I just express my dismal and I don't have any desire to work for them. I never said, America would be a bad place to live and work. Just the conrary. But I said many times I don't want to deal with certain politicians and managers.

I think, America is a very healthy place because it survived DESPITE these cavemen, not BECAUSE of their leadership.

I did say quite a few times that Americans and Russians are very close mentally and once stereotypes removed usually can be a wonderful team or family. Here I say again the same and I feel I have enough experience to say that.

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

U.S. asks for evidence on organ trafficking B92

Why the US should be so nervous?

Is there a connection more then one "it died" few days ago.

Madeleine Albright?

"WASHINGTON -- The State Department said the post of U.S. envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan will be continued following the death of Richard Holbrooke, VOA reports."B92

Will the Envoy post for organ trade in Albania and Kosovo be continued?

Jerry

pre 13 godina

I think Mr. Crowley's best option would be to dig up those documents showing WMDs in Iraq. I distinctly remember the evidence was a adendum to that report. But at the end of the day, who needs evidence. Just do what your gut tells you. Mine is telling me it's time to eat. Adios

johny

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You should live in the States to understand it. Mike wrote perfectly. Every serious organization in America has an own collection of "canned" phrases. All you need is a robot who can mix and match the words these phrases consists of.

The American corporate culture is the place these robots start and as they climb up, the ones survive who are programmed the way their masters like better.

These robots occupy places like "corporate spokesperson" and such. At begin of their carriers the size of the corporation is modest. But if the program is less buggy, the corporation can be the country itself.

(Un)fortunately the programers who write code never climb that high, they keep writing all kind of silliness on B92 and earn much less. Can't complain - still enough for a decent enough living...
(Je¿ robotyczny, 16 December 2010 18:39)

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are; the alternatives out there are way worse. China a dictatorship and Russia a mafia captured dictatorship. You pick and choose. I'll go with the US anytime; anyday, despite of the usual haters here. When you guys posting from the US start immigrating to China and Russia for a better life then you might have a little credibility. Until then keep on hating.

Je¿ robotyczny

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You should live in the States to understand it. Mike wrote perfectly. Every serious organization in America has an own collection of "canned" phrases. All you need is a robot who can mix and match the words these phrases consists of.

The American corporate culture is the place these robots start and as they climb up, the ones survive who are programmed the way their masters like better.

These robots occupy places like "corporate spokesperson" and such. At begin of their carriers the size of the corporation is modest. But if the program is less buggy, the corporation can be the country itself.

(Un)fortunately the programers who write code never climb that high, they keep writing all kind of silliness on B92 and earn much less. Can't complain - still enough for a decent enough living...

Rokka

pre 13 godina

"There are tribunals, such as the ICTY (Hague), which have for years been active and successful in investigations and war crimes trials. The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored. "

Funny comment coming from an american, considering how much effort they put in undermining the ICJ. Seems like americans support international justice tribunals when it suits them...

Mike

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes all plausible claims on criminal activities very seriously. All evidence and sources mentioned in the report should be delivered to the authorized bodies in order for a detailed and complete investigation to be carried out," Crowley stressed at a press conference.

-- Not a surprise to get a pre-fabricated response from some clueless underling at the State Department forced in front of the press cameras to address some issue he probably has no clearance for. Marty's report indicates the United States and other key Western powers were deeply involved in financing and supporting the KLA in the late 1990s, and politically backing its organization and its leaders in the years following, including granting immunity to its elite and covering up evidence that could be prosecuted in courts. I find it highly unlikely that this close-knit relationship between the KLA and the State Department could not have included some knowledge of the dealings of Thaci and other criminals that were mentioned in Mr. Marty's report. Therefore, Crowley is either lying in front of the camera, or the State Department truly is staffed with some of the most dim-witted people it can hire.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

I am so pleased that so much is being revealed now through investigations, Wikileaks and I suppose the US is overwhelmed so cover-ups are so much more difficult.
(Zoran, 16 December 2010 15:21)

Hail Wikileaks. It's all coming out in the was now. Julian Assange did the world a huge failure by exposing what many of us thought.....

The whole charade was one big massive cover up, built on a foundation of lies, fabrications and double standards.

mijari

pre 13 godina

"There are tribunals, such as the ICTY (Hague), which have for years been active and successful in investigations and war crimes trials. The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored.

serbs here you have it it is very very clear that no evidence exists.im sure the report of dick marty that was paid by serbia will in the end harm only the serbs and not thaci just as the IGH ruling.

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes all plausible claims on criminal activities very seriously. All evidence and sources mentioned in the report should be delivered to the authorized bodies in order for a detailed and complete investigation to be carried out," Crowley stressed at a press conference
B92

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.But may i remind him that back in the yeat 2000 Ralf Mutshcke, Assistant Director of Interpol's Criminal Intelligence Directorate said before Congress the KLA was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade ,extortion,human trafficking and loans from Islamic countries including Al Qaeda.

This was the "dirty policy" devised by the late godfather R Holbrook and continues with the same dilligence today.Kosovo today is the major entry point into europe for the heroin trade supplied by the war lords in Afganistan and also the center for Islamic jihad operations into mainland europe.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

"The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored.
--
Umm, according to Carla Del Ponte she mentioned she was blocked and evidence destroyed.

The US knows very well what's going on in KiM. They are partners in crimes with Thaci and the thugs.

I am so pleased that so much is being revealed now through investigations, Wikileaks and I suppose the US is overwhelmed so cover-ups are so much more difficult.

lowe

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes seriously all claims on criminal activities, Department of State spokesperson Philip Crowley has stated."

Hey Yankees! You can start by looking at your own criminal activities in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo and of course Serbia back in 1999!

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

U.S. asks for evidence on organ trafficking B92

Why the US should be so nervous?

Is there a connection more then one "it died" few days ago.

Madeleine Albright?

"WASHINGTON -- The State Department said the post of U.S. envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan will be continued following the death of Richard Holbrooke, VOA reports."B92

Will the Envoy post for organ trade in Albania and Kosovo be continued?

lowe

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes seriously all claims on criminal activities, Department of State spokesperson Philip Crowley has stated."

Hey Yankees! You can start by looking at your own criminal activities in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo and of course Serbia back in 1999!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

"The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored.
--
Umm, according to Carla Del Ponte she mentioned she was blocked and evidence destroyed.

The US knows very well what's going on in KiM. They are partners in crimes with Thaci and the thugs.

I am so pleased that so much is being revealed now through investigations, Wikileaks and I suppose the US is overwhelmed so cover-ups are so much more difficult.

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes all plausible claims on criminal activities very seriously. All evidence and sources mentioned in the report should be delivered to the authorized bodies in order for a detailed and complete investigation to be carried out," Crowley stressed at a press conference
B92

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.But may i remind him that back in the yeat 2000 Ralf Mutshcke, Assistant Director of Interpol's Criminal Intelligence Directorate said before Congress the KLA was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade ,extortion,human trafficking and loans from Islamic countries including Al Qaeda.

This was the "dirty policy" devised by the late godfather R Holbrook and continues with the same dilligence today.Kosovo today is the major entry point into europe for the heroin trade supplied by the war lords in Afganistan and also the center for Islamic jihad operations into mainland europe.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

I am so pleased that so much is being revealed now through investigations, Wikileaks and I suppose the US is overwhelmed so cover-ups are so much more difficult.
(Zoran, 16 December 2010 15:21)

Hail Wikileaks. It's all coming out in the was now. Julian Assange did the world a huge failure by exposing what many of us thought.....

The whole charade was one big massive cover up, built on a foundation of lies, fabrications and double standards.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes all plausible claims on criminal activities very seriously. All evidence and sources mentioned in the report should be delivered to the authorized bodies in order for a detailed and complete investigation to be carried out," Crowley stressed at a press conference.

-- Not a surprise to get a pre-fabricated response from some clueless underling at the State Department forced in front of the press cameras to address some issue he probably has no clearance for. Marty's report indicates the United States and other key Western powers were deeply involved in financing and supporting the KLA in the late 1990s, and politically backing its organization and its leaders in the years following, including granting immunity to its elite and covering up evidence that could be prosecuted in courts. I find it highly unlikely that this close-knit relationship between the KLA and the State Department could not have included some knowledge of the dealings of Thaci and other criminals that were mentioned in Mr. Marty's report. Therefore, Crowley is either lying in front of the camera, or the State Department truly is staffed with some of the most dim-witted people it can hire.

sj

pre 13 godina

(johny, 17 December 2010 20:37)

Another Albanian posting regurgitations of America the Brave. Perhaps if you can earn enough delivering pizzas you might leave those shores and see some of this world and you’ll not be writing this crap in this or any other forum.
I always love these immigrants who go to the US or other western country and work for peanuts doing jobs they would never have contemplated in their wildest dreams and then calling it fabulous. Earning $6.50 to $7 per hour while working 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet, but not having enough to get medical insurance and to top it off they call it heaven on earth.
Perhaps you might save enough to travel your country and see the level of abject poverty or as one BBC reported called it “poverty in some parts of the US today is far worse than India”. Now that’s a great recommendation!

Rokka

pre 13 godina

"There are tribunals, such as the ICTY (Hague), which have for years been active and successful in investigations and war crimes trials. The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored. "

Funny comment coming from an american, considering how much effort they put in undermining the ICJ. Seems like americans support international justice tribunals when it suits them...

mijari

pre 13 godina

"There are tribunals, such as the ICTY (Hague), which have for years been active and successful in investigations and war crimes trials. The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored.

serbs here you have it it is very very clear that no evidence exists.im sure the report of dick marty that was paid by serbia will in the end harm only the serbs and not thaci just as the IGH ruling.

sj

pre 13 godina

Let me predict the Circus de sole’s, or more commonly known as the US State Department, response to whatever evidence is place before them “after careful consideration of all facts and consultation with our legal experts there is no case to answer; these are only rumors and hearsay”.

sj

pre 13 godina

(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Your going to get your wish very soon as the US turns towards a dictatorship – this will occur as living standards begin to drop dramatically or ones that even CNN or Fox cannot paste over. There will be boogie men everywhere and tighter laws are needed to just keep the country together – its all coming.

China has several thousand westerns living and working within its borders now so this will escalate even more as the west declines and the BRIC countries rise to the top. The Russians are not at that stage yet, but they are not too far of that mark either.

In fact there are many highly qualified Americans looking at leaving the good old US of A because there are no jobs. You have teachers working in menial jobs just to survive.

Children in the US were asked what they wanted for Christmas 2010 – they replied just cloths; not designer cloths, jus plain cloths. Tells you a lot about the real US of A.

Je¿ robotyczny

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You should live in the States to understand it. Mike wrote perfectly. Every serious organization in America has an own collection of "canned" phrases. All you need is a robot who can mix and match the words these phrases consists of.

The American corporate culture is the place these robots start and as they climb up, the ones survive who are programmed the way their masters like better.

These robots occupy places like "corporate spokesperson" and such. At begin of their carriers the size of the corporation is modest. But if the program is less buggy, the corporation can be the country itself.

(Un)fortunately the programers who write code never climb that high, they keep writing all kind of silliness on B92 and earn much less. Can't complain - still enough for a decent enough living...

Ataman

pre 13 godina

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are
(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Johny, I think the views and actions of US-government and the managment style of large American corporations is anti-American and anti-Western. They are the savage cavemen who de-facto hate America and the Western (or any) civilization.

I don't hate them, I just express my dismal and I don't have any desire to work for them. I never said, America would be a bad place to live and work. Just the conrary. But I said many times I don't want to deal with certain politicians and managers.

I think, America is a very healthy place because it survived DESPITE these cavemen, not BECAUSE of their leadership.

I did say quite a few times that Americans and Russians are very close mentally and once stereotypes removed usually can be a wonderful team or family. Here I say again the same and I feel I have enough experience to say that.

Endri

pre 13 godina

"The Chams,as it's well documented,were axis collaborators responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Greeks and thousands of Jews in World war II.Considering that all collaborators were put against the wall in many countries across europe,the Chams were lucky to escape with expulsions only."

Could you give us any proof that chams were all responsible for the death of greeks and suprisingly jews. Hm... you like very much the last dont you. So mister Leonidakis you suggest that all innocent cham victims of greek terror such as old men and children were also colaborators right!!! If I were you I could suggest at that time the we must have expelled all greeks in Albania in response to your masacres against the cham albanian population. But the world works other way around. Your racism is indeed common among greeks. The collaborters who were put against the wall were directly involved in crimes while the populations hasnt to be blame absolutely. There was no country in Europe without nazi collaboartors.

And about terrorism. 17 Nov operated from year 1975. So the greece didnt have enough time to prepare its police force for 22 years!!!! You can not sell here such ridiculos explanations. Anyway you should start to count up the new terrorrist organisation which oeperate in Greece right now. I dont think that the next time the british police will be next to you.

Ari Gold

pre 13 godina

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are; the alternatives out there are way worse. China a dictatorship and Russia a mafia captured dictatorship. You pick and choose. I'll go with the US anytime; anyday, despite of the usual haters here. When you guys posting from the US start immigrating to China and Russia for a better life then you might have a little credibility. Until then keep on hating.
(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Anyone with any rationality can see that the American way of life is better than that of Russia and China, but, every country still has corrupt individuals running it. EVERY. They're politicians; who are you expecting, care bears?

Jerry

pre 13 godina

I think Mr. Crowley's best option would be to dig up those documents showing WMDs in Iraq. I distinctly remember the evidence was a adendum to that report. But at the end of the day, who needs evidence. Just do what your gut tells you. Mine is telling me it's time to eat. Adios

johny

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You should live in the States to understand it. Mike wrote perfectly. Every serious organization in America has an own collection of "canned" phrases. All you need is a robot who can mix and match the words these phrases consists of.

The American corporate culture is the place these robots start and as they climb up, the ones survive who are programmed the way their masters like better.

These robots occupy places like "corporate spokesperson" and such. At begin of their carriers the size of the corporation is modest. But if the program is less buggy, the corporation can be the country itself.

(Un)fortunately the programers who write code never climb that high, they keep writing all kind of silliness on B92 and earn much less. Can't complain - still enough for a decent enough living...
(Je¿ robotyczny, 16 December 2010 18:39)

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are; the alternatives out there are way worse. China a dictatorship and Russia a mafia captured dictatorship. You pick and choose. I'll go with the US anytime; anyday, despite of the usual haters here. When you guys posting from the US start immigrating to China and Russia for a better life then you might have a little credibility. Until then keep on hating.

Denis

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.But may i remind him that back in the yeat 2000 Ralf Mutshcke, Assistant Director of Interpol's Criminal Intelligence Directorate said before Congress the KLA was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade ,extortion,human trafficking and loans from Islamic countries including Al Qaeda.

This was the "dirty policy" devised by the late godfather R Holbrook and continues with the same dilligence today.Kosovo today is the major entry point into europe for the heroin trade supplied by the war lords in Afganistan and also the center for Islamic jihad operations into mainland europe.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You are right, Kosovo today is poor and crime ridden, they weren't as lucky as Greece to get all the free money and be pampered by the west. Maybe if EU throws $100billion at Kosovo, life will be much better.

The west also turned a blind eye to Greek attrocities toward Albanian Cham population in 1944, where some 5000 were slaughtered and 70K expelled.

They also turned a blind eye towards your terrorist groups such as November 17 which roamed free in Greece for decades killing westeners and terrorizing many. I guess you know better, cause you speak out of experience.

johny

pre 13 godina

Anyone with any rationality can see that the American way of life is better than that of Russia and China, but, every country still has corrupt individuals running it. EVERY. They're politicians; who are you expecting, care bears?
(Ari Gold, 17 December 2010 07:15)

Nobody is denying that. But being an ardent anti-Westerner and expressing dissatisfaction over corrupt politicians are totally different. This site gathers more of the anti-Westerner crowd than those who are truly striving for the betterment of our Western civilization. These are people who pray for the west to fall; yet have no guts to leave the West an make a living in their beloved countries such a China, Russia, Iran, North Korea. My criticism goes towards those people.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

can be a wonderful team or family. Here I say again the same and I feel I have enough experience to say that.
(Ataman, 16 December 2010 23:42

and Igel said it all :)

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

be pampered by the west. Maybe if EU throws $100billion at Kosovo, life will be much better.

The west also turned a blind eye to Greek attrocities toward Albanian Cham population in 1944, where some 5000 were slaughtered and 70K expelled.

They also turned a blind eye towards your terrorist groups such as November 17 which roamed free in Greece for decades killing westeners and terrorizing many. I guess you know better, cause you speak out of experience.
(Denis, 17 December 2010 03:17)
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If you call a country lucky from having virtually no debt before joining the EU
and thirty years onwards fighting for its survival then you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.The same applies to Ireland,Portugal,Spain not to mention Romania,Latvia,Hungary which survive on IMF loans.

The 100 billion euros you mentioned that Greece receivevd through CAP (all countries receive this)is insignificant to 25billion euros we pay annually to German and French banks in interest payments let alone the huge inbalances in our trade with those countries.

The Chams,as it's well documented,were axis collaborators responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Greeks and thousands of Jews in World war II.Considering that all collaborators were put against the wall in many countries across europe,the Chams were lucky to escape with expulsions only.

!7 of November was not different than the
Italian red brigades or the German Bander
groups.The police authorities in Greece were not turning a blind eye as you suggest but had no experience in dealing with terrorism before.Eventually with help from the British police they succeeded to disband the group and jail all its members.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"Hail Wikileaks. It's all coming out in the was now. Julian Assange did the world a huge failure by exposing what many of us thought.....

The whole charade was one big massive cover up, built on a foundation of lies, fabrications and double standards.
(Niall O'Doherty, 16 December 2010 16:29) "

So far there seem to have been remarkably few examples of US "lies, fabrications and double standards" found in the Wikileaks documents. In fact, Iran is saying that the CIA is behind the release of the cables, since they make the US look good. You seem to be be getting all worked up a little prematurely.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

and Igel said it all :)
(The Swiss, 17 December 2010 01:02)

The real "Igel"-s are sleeping now, hope they accumulated enough fat to keep them alive till March-April when they wake up. The Russian/Hungarian/American cyber-hedgehogs are menacing B92. But since they learned German from young age of 4 and lived near München for a while, they can turn into an "Igel" sometimes. They can't speak Polish or Albanian but these facts don't prevent them to turn into a "Je¿" or "Iriqi" just to tease Albanians, Szemi and Peter Sudyka.

But who knows, at the end maybe I learn Polish and Albanian. It looks like Peter and Johny/Gjon are very satisfied with the progress :-P

The Bug - "lassan, Bogár"

pre 13 godina

and Igel said it all :)
(The Swiss, 17 December 2010 01:02)

The "worst" posting actually was the most innocent-looking when I became the "slow bug" in Polish, not even a hedgehog.

The background is known to Szemi only, I wonder how I received two "+" at all.

Basically, "Bug" = "Bogár" was the family name of Hungarian hangman. As he hanged the war criminal Szálasi, the leader of Hungarian nazis the crowd cheered "do it slowly, take your time, Bogár" - so writing as "slow Bug" under that topic was a certain, well-founded wish what the fate of that nazi pig now in Argentina should be.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71559

The funny thing is, Joe this time mistake Szemi for me, thinking just the opposite.

mijari

pre 13 godina

"There are tribunals, such as the ICTY (Hague), which have for years been active and successful in investigations and war crimes trials. The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored.

serbs here you have it it is very very clear that no evidence exists.im sure the report of dick marty that was paid by serbia will in the end harm only the serbs and not thaci just as the IGH ruling.

johny

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You should live in the States to understand it. Mike wrote perfectly. Every serious organization in America has an own collection of "canned" phrases. All you need is a robot who can mix and match the words these phrases consists of.

The American corporate culture is the place these robots start and as they climb up, the ones survive who are programmed the way their masters like better.

These robots occupy places like "corporate spokesperson" and such. At begin of their carriers the size of the corporation is modest. But if the program is less buggy, the corporation can be the country itself.

(Un)fortunately the programers who write code never climb that high, they keep writing all kind of silliness on B92 and earn much less. Can't complain - still enough for a decent enough living...
(Je¿ robotyczny, 16 December 2010 18:39)

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are; the alternatives out there are way worse. China a dictatorship and Russia a mafia captured dictatorship. You pick and choose. I'll go with the US anytime; anyday, despite of the usual haters here. When you guys posting from the US start immigrating to China and Russia for a better life then you might have a little credibility. Until then keep on hating.

lowe

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes seriously all claims on criminal activities, Department of State spokesperson Philip Crowley has stated."

Hey Yankees! You can start by looking at your own criminal activities in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo and of course Serbia back in 1999!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

"The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored.
--
Umm, according to Carla Del Ponte she mentioned she was blocked and evidence destroyed.

The US knows very well what's going on in KiM. They are partners in crimes with Thaci and the thugs.

I am so pleased that so much is being revealed now through investigations, Wikileaks and I suppose the US is overwhelmed so cover-ups are so much more difficult.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes all plausible claims on criminal activities very seriously. All evidence and sources mentioned in the report should be delivered to the authorized bodies in order for a detailed and complete investigation to be carried out," Crowley stressed at a press conference.

-- Not a surprise to get a pre-fabricated response from some clueless underling at the State Department forced in front of the press cameras to address some issue he probably has no clearance for. Marty's report indicates the United States and other key Western powers were deeply involved in financing and supporting the KLA in the late 1990s, and politically backing its organization and its leaders in the years following, including granting immunity to its elite and covering up evidence that could be prosecuted in courts. I find it highly unlikely that this close-knit relationship between the KLA and the State Department could not have included some knowledge of the dealings of Thaci and other criminals that were mentioned in Mr. Marty's report. Therefore, Crowley is either lying in front of the camera, or the State Department truly is staffed with some of the most dim-witted people it can hire.

Denis

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.But may i remind him that back in the yeat 2000 Ralf Mutshcke, Assistant Director of Interpol's Criminal Intelligence Directorate said before Congress the KLA was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade ,extortion,human trafficking and loans from Islamic countries including Al Qaeda.

This was the "dirty policy" devised by the late godfather R Holbrook and continues with the same dilligence today.Kosovo today is the major entry point into europe for the heroin trade supplied by the war lords in Afganistan and also the center for Islamic jihad operations into mainland europe.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You are right, Kosovo today is poor and crime ridden, they weren't as lucky as Greece to get all the free money and be pampered by the west. Maybe if EU throws $100billion at Kosovo, life will be much better.

The west also turned a blind eye to Greek attrocities toward Albanian Cham population in 1944, where some 5000 were slaughtered and 70K expelled.

They also turned a blind eye towards your terrorist groups such as November 17 which roamed free in Greece for decades killing westeners and terrorizing many. I guess you know better, cause you speak out of experience.

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

"The U.S. takes all plausible claims on criminal activities very seriously. All evidence and sources mentioned in the report should be delivered to the authorized bodies in order for a detailed and complete investigation to be carried out," Crowley stressed at a press conference
B92

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.But may i remind him that back in the yeat 2000 Ralf Mutshcke, Assistant Director of Interpol's Criminal Intelligence Directorate said before Congress the KLA was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade ,extortion,human trafficking and loans from Islamic countries including Al Qaeda.

This was the "dirty policy" devised by the late godfather R Holbrook and continues with the same dilligence today.Kosovo today is the major entry point into europe for the heroin trade supplied by the war lords in Afganistan and also the center for Islamic jihad operations into mainland europe.

Rokka

pre 13 godina

"There are tribunals, such as the ICTY (Hague), which have for years been active and successful in investigations and war crimes trials. The UN and ICTY investigated the charges of organ trafficking in 2004 and decided then not to take any action," Crowley underscored. "

Funny comment coming from an american, considering how much effort they put in undermining the ICJ. Seems like americans support international justice tribunals when it suits them...

Jerry

pre 13 godina

I think Mr. Crowley's best option would be to dig up those documents showing WMDs in Iraq. I distinctly remember the evidence was a adendum to that report. But at the end of the day, who needs evidence. Just do what your gut tells you. Mine is telling me it's time to eat. Adios

Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

I am so pleased that so much is being revealed now through investigations, Wikileaks and I suppose the US is overwhelmed so cover-ups are so much more difficult.
(Zoran, 16 December 2010 15:21)

Hail Wikileaks. It's all coming out in the was now. Julian Assange did the world a huge failure by exposing what many of us thought.....

The whole charade was one big massive cover up, built on a foundation of lies, fabrications and double standards.

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

be pampered by the west. Maybe if EU throws $100billion at Kosovo, life will be much better.

The west also turned a blind eye to Greek attrocities toward Albanian Cham population in 1944, where some 5000 were slaughtered and 70K expelled.

They also turned a blind eye towards your terrorist groups such as November 17 which roamed free in Greece for decades killing westeners and terrorizing many. I guess you know better, cause you speak out of experience.
(Denis, 17 December 2010 03:17)
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If you call a country lucky from having virtually no debt before joining the EU
and thirty years onwards fighting for its survival then you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.The same applies to Ireland,Portugal,Spain not to mention Romania,Latvia,Hungary which survive on IMF loans.

The 100 billion euros you mentioned that Greece receivevd through CAP (all countries receive this)is insignificant to 25billion euros we pay annually to German and French banks in interest payments let alone the huge inbalances in our trade with those countries.

The Chams,as it's well documented,were axis collaborators responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Greeks and thousands of Jews in World war II.Considering that all collaborators were put against the wall in many countries across europe,the Chams were lucky to escape with expulsions only.

!7 of November was not different than the
Italian red brigades or the German Bander
groups.The police authorities in Greece were not turning a blind eye as you suggest but had no experience in dealing with terrorism before.Eventually with help from the British police they succeeded to disband the group and jail all its members.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are
(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Johny, I think the views and actions of US-government and the managment style of large American corporations is anti-American and anti-Western. They are the savage cavemen who de-facto hate America and the Western (or any) civilization.

I don't hate them, I just express my dismal and I don't have any desire to work for them. I never said, America would be a bad place to live and work. Just the conrary. But I said many times I don't want to deal with certain politicians and managers.

I think, America is a very healthy place because it survived DESPITE these cavemen, not BECAUSE of their leadership.

I did say quite a few times that Americans and Russians are very close mentally and once stereotypes removed usually can be a wonderful team or family. Here I say again the same and I feel I have enough experience to say that.

johny

pre 13 godina

Anyone with any rationality can see that the American way of life is better than that of Russia and China, but, every country still has corrupt individuals running it. EVERY. They're politicians; who are you expecting, care bears?
(Ari Gold, 17 December 2010 07:15)

Nobody is denying that. But being an ardent anti-Westerner and expressing dissatisfaction over corrupt politicians are totally different. This site gathers more of the anti-Westerner crowd than those who are truly striving for the betterment of our Western civilization. These are people who pray for the west to fall; yet have no guts to leave the West an make a living in their beloved countries such a China, Russia, Iran, North Korea. My criticism goes towards those people.

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

U.S. asks for evidence on organ trafficking B92

Why the US should be so nervous?

Is there a connection more then one "it died" few days ago.

Madeleine Albright?

"WASHINGTON -- The State Department said the post of U.S. envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan will be continued following the death of Richard Holbrooke, VOA reports."B92

Will the Envoy post for organ trade in Albania and Kosovo be continued?

sj

pre 13 godina

Let me predict the Circus de sole’s, or more commonly known as the US State Department, response to whatever evidence is place before them “after careful consideration of all facts and consultation with our legal experts there is no case to answer; these are only rumors and hearsay”.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

and Igel said it all :)
(The Swiss, 17 December 2010 01:02)

The real "Igel"-s are sleeping now, hope they accumulated enough fat to keep them alive till March-April when they wake up. The Russian/Hungarian/American cyber-hedgehogs are menacing B92. But since they learned German from young age of 4 and lived near München for a while, they can turn into an "Igel" sometimes. They can't speak Polish or Albanian but these facts don't prevent them to turn into a "Je¿" or "Iriqi" just to tease Albanians, Szemi and Peter Sudyka.

But who knows, at the end maybe I learn Polish and Albanian. It looks like Peter and Johny/Gjon are very satisfied with the progress :-P

Endri

pre 13 godina

"The Chams,as it's well documented,were axis collaborators responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Greeks and thousands of Jews in World war II.Considering that all collaborators were put against the wall in many countries across europe,the Chams were lucky to escape with expulsions only."

Could you give us any proof that chams were all responsible for the death of greeks and suprisingly jews. Hm... you like very much the last dont you. So mister Leonidakis you suggest that all innocent cham victims of greek terror such as old men and children were also colaborators right!!! If I were you I could suggest at that time the we must have expelled all greeks in Albania in response to your masacres against the cham albanian population. But the world works other way around. Your racism is indeed common among greeks. The collaborters who were put against the wall were directly involved in crimes while the populations hasnt to be blame absolutely. There was no country in Europe without nazi collaboartors.

And about terrorism. 17 Nov operated from year 1975. So the greece didnt have enough time to prepare its police force for 22 years!!!! You can not sell here such ridiculos explanations. Anyway you should start to count up the new terrorrist organisation which oeperate in Greece right now. I dont think that the next time the british police will be next to you.

Je¿ robotyczny

pre 13 godina

These US politicians continue to lie through their teeth in order to protect their skins.Mr Crowley pleads ignorance to Thaci's criminal activities.
(Leonidas, 16 December 2010 16:33)

You should live in the States to understand it. Mike wrote perfectly. Every serious organization in America has an own collection of "canned" phrases. All you need is a robot who can mix and match the words these phrases consists of.

The American corporate culture is the place these robots start and as they climb up, the ones survive who are programmed the way their masters like better.

These robots occupy places like "corporate spokesperson" and such. At begin of their carriers the size of the corporation is modest. But if the program is less buggy, the corporation can be the country itself.

(Un)fortunately the programers who write code never climb that high, they keep writing all kind of silliness on B92 and earn much less. Can't complain - still enough for a decent enough living...

sj

pre 13 godina

(johny, 17 December 2010 20:37)

Another Albanian posting regurgitations of America the Brave. Perhaps if you can earn enough delivering pizzas you might leave those shores and see some of this world and you’ll not be writing this crap in this or any other forum.
I always love these immigrants who go to the US or other western country and work for peanuts doing jobs they would never have contemplated in their wildest dreams and then calling it fabulous. Earning $6.50 to $7 per hour while working 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet, but not having enough to get medical insurance and to top it off they call it heaven on earth.
Perhaps you might save enough to travel your country and see the level of abject poverty or as one BBC reported called it “poverty in some parts of the US today is far worse than India”. Now that’s a great recommendation!

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

can be a wonderful team or family. Here I say again the same and I feel I have enough experience to say that.
(Ataman, 16 December 2010 23:42

and Igel said it all :)

Amer

pre 13 godina

"Hail Wikileaks. It's all coming out in the was now. Julian Assange did the world a huge failure by exposing what many of us thought.....

The whole charade was one big massive cover up, built on a foundation of lies, fabrications and double standards.
(Niall O'Doherty, 16 December 2010 16:29) "

So far there seem to have been remarkably few examples of US "lies, fabrications and double standards" found in the Wikileaks documents. In fact, Iran is saying that the CIA is behind the release of the cables, since they make the US look good. You seem to be be getting all worked up a little prematurely.

sj

pre 13 godina

(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Your going to get your wish very soon as the US turns towards a dictatorship – this will occur as living standards begin to drop dramatically or ones that even CNN or Fox cannot paste over. There will be boogie men everywhere and tighter laws are needed to just keep the country together – its all coming.

China has several thousand westerns living and working within its borders now so this will escalate even more as the west declines and the BRIC countries rise to the top. The Russians are not at that stage yet, but they are not too far of that mark either.

In fact there are many highly qualified Americans looking at leaving the good old US of A because there are no jobs. You have teachers working in menial jobs just to survive.

Children in the US were asked what they wanted for Christmas 2010 – they replied just cloths; not designer cloths, jus plain cloths. Tells you a lot about the real US of A.

Ari Gold

pre 13 godina

No matter how anti-US or anti-Western your views are; the alternatives out there are way worse. China a dictatorship and Russia a mafia captured dictatorship. You pick and choose. I'll go with the US anytime; anyday, despite of the usual haters here. When you guys posting from the US start immigrating to China and Russia for a better life then you might have a little credibility. Until then keep on hating.
(johny, 16 December 2010 19:53)

Anyone with any rationality can see that the American way of life is better than that of Russia and China, but, every country still has corrupt individuals running it. EVERY. They're politicians; who are you expecting, care bears?

The Bug - "lassan, Bogár"

pre 13 godina

and Igel said it all :)
(The Swiss, 17 December 2010 01:02)

The "worst" posting actually was the most innocent-looking when I became the "slow bug" in Polish, not even a hedgehog.

The background is known to Szemi only, I wonder how I received two "+" at all.

Basically, "Bug" = "Bogár" was the family name of Hungarian hangman. As he hanged the war criminal Szálasi, the leader of Hungarian nazis the crowd cheered "do it slowly, take your time, Bogár" - so writing as "slow Bug" under that topic was a certain, well-founded wish what the fate of that nazi pig now in Argentina should be.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71559

The funny thing is, Joe this time mistake Szemi for me, thinking just the opposite.