Committee adopts Kosovo organ trafficking report

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
[link]#

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:26)

The tide is turning kate. The truth about one of the greatest war crimes of the last half century (the bombing of YU in 1999) is finally coming out.

The US & British imperialists are about to meet their 'Waterloo'.

I hope that someone publishes the picture of Blair and Albright with their 'mates' and the clip of Kouchner ridiculing the 'yellow house'. These people are all criminals and were complicit in the crimes.

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1339015/Tony-Blairs-friend-Kosovan-PM-Hashim-Thaci-bizarre-monster.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.

Dear Adrian,
You can understand Serbian feelings when considering that Kosovo Albanian leaders were portrayed as people with high moral values fighting for freedom. It is some comfort that a tiny portion of their activities started to resurface. Obviously, this matter needs to be thoroughly investigated with caveat that it will not be easy to collect evidence against Mr Thaci, particularly as the image of countries supporting him is also at stake. Nevertheless, it is in everybody's interest that people who would do such things are not free on streets.

Finally the truth is slipping out after being purposely surpressed for years. The Americans will do everything to try and stop the truth coming out because if they can't support their lie that it was a humanitarian war they are seen to the whole world as liars,crooks and imperialists. I was against the bombing of Serbia and the forced breakup of Yugoslavia. - the truth was there then for independent thinkers and those who were prepared to scratch the surface and go beyond the spin. It is a sad reflection on our society that so many people took the lies hook line and sinker. The EU and USA knew all this I believe their agenda was the destruction of a non aligned state friendly to Russia.

It's not that surprising to hear that Serbia has selected this moment to defame Mr Thaci given that he just won a difficult election and the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo is about to start. (adrian kola, 16 December 2010 11:11)

Adrian, Serbia has not "selected this moment", the Council of Europe has. That is something very different and something which you should take seriously, rather than simply running round shrieking "propaganda".

The EU and USA knew all this I believe their agenda was the destruction of a non aligned state friendly to Russia.
(Diana, 16 December 2010 12:12)

Well said. Victory for Serbs under Milosevic = powerful Russian ally controlling a lot of the Balkans = less influence for the United States.

Even as a Jew, an Israeli-American citizen and a Democrat, I never supported the KLA or the West's war against Serbia, right from the get-go. Mind you, I never thought much of Milosevic (I thought he was rather selfish, and never held the best interests of Serbs at heart), but it was shameful to see what Western planes were doing to that beautiful country for three whole months.

I believe in karma; what goes around, comes around, and justice will ALWAYS prevail.

Adrian-your dreams are disappearing the same way they came, with shame.

adrian kola: "unfortunately none of the commentators seem to be aware of the 'innocent until proven guilty' notion!"

Oh, right like the demonisation of Milosevic and the whole of Serbia?


"Just hold your horses for a while, these are just allegations!"

Actually they're not. They have far more substance than that. All that's really left to see is whether Dick Marty's report is just sidelined in some way.

You know the sort of thing: "Yes, you may have witness accounts, forensic and other evidence, but it's not enough to act upon."

@ Niall - Hi Niall, I hope that you are right. I am interested in why this is being allowed out in the wider media. There must be an agenda, or perhaps its just a snowball effect which leaked through and now can't be stopped.

I get Dave's point about The Mail, but I think it's more than that.

Either way I am very happy to see some truths coming out for once.

Wow! That is quite astonishing. Fair enough, it's the Mail, which has a Labour-bashing agenda, but this deviates much further from the official line than we have seen hitherto. It probably also reflects the miserably low esteem in which Albanians are held by the inhabitants of Middle England - they appear to be running neck-and-neck with the Somalis for "least favoured immigrant" status, something the Daily Mail will be all too aware of.

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:26

I very much doubt whether the EU will have the balls and bring Thaçi, Albright, Blair and other US style world domination cronies to the international court in Hague.To do so is like apportioning blame to themselves for the crimes they committed against the Serbs in the balkan wars.


You would recall the comment by Bernard Kouchner when asked about organ trafficking in kosovo, he just burst into laugh, and said to reporter "you're a sick man".

The most likely outcome of this will be to force Thaci to retirement so he can enjoy the proceeds of his narco and organ trafficking business.

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
[link]#

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.

The western press during the 'bombing' was fed what it needed, images (reminders) of Bosnia and endless queues of frightened bedraggled and bewldered refugees at the various borders. It was easy to do, l and many others in the west did'nt need much convincing at the time. The information releases was deliberate and targeted.

Later, as an IPO in kosovo, it soon became apparent how well we in the west were duped. During the next years l learnt, thru experience how even then events were still being controlled for political reasons, infomation/intelligence passed up the line was sifted and 'cherry picked' to suit the political need - Albanians were victims after all!!!, and did'nt want to upset the folks back home.
No need to worry there, subsequent world events caused a lot of folk to forget all about Kosovo, how convenient!
I am sure the UK press were familiar with many events, how newsworthy was it at the time? that the question, what could it have achieved. lets be honest the damage is done, EU, UK, US etc want this embarressing episode of there foreign policy to fade away, its a nuisance, like a bad itch it won't go away.
Better late than never, some people in the UK are interested in truth........

I say negotiate with Hash, give him immunity and after we've secured KiM, then we take back the immunity and do Thaci the same way the West did Karadzic

Kosovo-USA, a military takeover ISN'T out of the question, it's guaranteed by Res1244 which is the foundation of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence plan' that Hash & co. will have to accept. This piece of organ evidence shows how psychologically disturbed your sociopathic cold- blooded leaders are

@The Swiss
You have forgotten one link:
http://www.20min.ch/news/ausland/story/-Ich-musste-Fakten-sammeln--keine-Beweise--23694137
Marty admits that he has no evidence...

The report was supposed to be made public in late June of this year. 6 moths ago. Check the BBC sources. Why it was postponed, I supposed that Americans did not like it.

I can sense a massive explosion of excitement and emotions in the Serbian camp, and unfortunately none of the commentators seem to be aware of the 'innocent until proven guilty' notion! Just hold your horses for a while, these are just allegations!
This Dick guy is renowned for his strong Serbian bias and crazy anti-Albanian sentiment.
It's not that surprising to hear that Serbia has selected this moment to defame Mr Thaci given that he just won a difficult election and the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo is about to start. Naturally Serbia would prefer a weakling or an Albanian extremist to head the Kosovar negotiators to gain more ground in the international community where her reputation is not exactly great!

@Igel-Spiegel @the one and only Swiss in the world
If you run an investigation you are not obliged to deliver evidence? That is for sure an interesting approach the former state attorney is taking... Must have made him very popular at court... What are facts without proof? Because he says so makes it a fact?

On Friday I will publish a report that I am the legitimate ruler of the world. Unfortunately I can not reveal my sources since they are all protected, but for sure you will believe me, won't you?

Terrorists are Bad. Unless They Pay Me.

Do you remember faked incident with serbian police over «innocent» albanian (terrorists) people killed in masacre in Kosovo`s village Rachak? That was main reason for bombing SR Yugoslavia in 1999. Western politicians like Bill Clinton , Tony Blair, Madeleine Albright used that incident to promote attack above Yugoslavia. In the same time, american CIA officers educated albanian terrorists how to attack serbian police and how to fight in guerrilla war when they start airforce strikes. American interests was to transfer their troops from Germany and other parts of Europe to Eastern Europe and Kosovo. They already planned building a large millitary base (Bondsteel) in that part of Serbia. After 3 months of bombing and killing innocent civillians, the managed agreement with serbian government. They thought that their alliance with Hashim Tachi, Ramush Haradinaj and other albanian (UCK) terrorists provide long term influence in this part of Europe. That goal was so important, so they (americans and NATO) even command their troops to attack russian soldiers when they arived first to Prishtina airport in 1999. Some british soldiers was enough smart and they didn’t wanted to open fire on russian soldiers, because they knew it will be the start od 3rd World War.

When we talk about Hashim Tachi (The Father of albanian criminal mafia organization) and Ramush Haradinaj (an indicted war criminal), we all know that thoose people share same democratic values with american and some british politicians. Like american senator said in 1999 before NATO started airforce strikes: “The United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same human values and principles…Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values».

Money earned from heroin and other criminal activities like killing people and selling their organs was used for purchasing weapons in USA, weapon transportation from USA to Europe onto ships and later onto donkeys to Kosovo. Sniper rifles was used for killing Serbian police officers, knowing that Serbian police has to react, and that they will be able to use that as a Serbian repression against “innocent” Albanian population. Large amounts of money was spent on donations to the leading U.S. politicians (Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright etc.), lobbyists and NATO generals like Wesley Clark.

Albanian immigrants like the famous Hollywood actor James Belushi was involved in organizing and animating the participants in the donor dinner parties, as well as other Albanian immigrants around the world who wanted to support the Albanian national interests and the creation of Big Albania. Those who did not wanted to cooperate with the UCK were tortured and killed.

So, Im asking myself one question. Are the Serbs still bad guys in your eyes?

Would Dick Marty be happy to show to the public its "evidences" against Thaci in a Court of Law and if his "evidences" prove wrong and misleading to face a trial for slander and misuse of power?
(EA, 16 December 2010 14:47)
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Can't you guys read? A lot of it comes from CIA reports, German intelligence and UN investigations. How can anyone claim this to be propaganda when it comes from the West itself accusing itself of covering up these crimes?

Talk about people being in denial, this is a perfect example but it's not surprising one bit.

In nice to notice that there are smiles on some Serbian faces. Rare moment to smile, so do use the utmost to take advantage of a propaganda, as its life will be VERY SHORT INDEED.

Let me assure you guys that Marty is an awful example on how people with such low ethics can become EC parliamentarians. It is terrible to notice what has become of EC.

I would like Thaci to proved (to any court)that he extremely clean on ALL accusations, but Marty's money that he obtained by Serbian government won't be enough to pay the reparations to Mr. Thaci, which then is to be followed with large prison sentence, that in other words will mean that Dick will die in prison.

However, the Western world has far more capacity to detect the truth, therefore, it will not let rubbish material ruin a solid career that Mr. Thaci has built.

West is calling FOR FACTS NOT WORDS...and believe me THERE IS NONE, but words...

Marty thinks that Albanians are easy nut to crack, but let me assure you that he is TOTALLY WRONG. We have learned the hard way by fighting Serbian low propaganda war, on how to encounter LIES, and conclusion is BY PURE FACTS, not words.

This is how we won the war of liberation in 1999.

Marty who is on Belgrade's pay roll thinks Albanians can be manipulated, but he will be EASILY proven NOT ONLY wrong BUT ALSO A BIG LIAR.

Such rubbish news can only be produced by Serbs themselves.

The latest news is that Mr. Thaci is suing Dick for this COLOSSAL LIE by any standard.

Tadic is the only one that is admiting indirectly that this is rubbish, when he say.."I will meet Thaci at any time, even now"...and also today mildly saying that "the accusations from the report should be "checked"".

You know what's a real shame? The fact that practically NONE of this has broken out in western media outlets. I live here in Toronto, Canada and not a SINGLE word has been spoken about this. There's your propoganda for you!

It's been over 10 years, but the truth has finally come out.

Run, duck, and hide Mr. Thaci - you've not only pissed off Serbs worldwide, but the Russians ain't too happy about what you've done either.

I say negotiate with Hash, give him immunity and after we've secured KiM, then we take back the immunity and do Thaci the same way the West did Karadzic
(highduke, 16 December 2010 13:15)


Please explain just how are you going to secure your so called "KIM"?
Knowing that military take ove is out of the question.

By the way, I got to hand it to Tadic.It seems like he knows the truth that this report is nothing but a hoax.

Thanks for the Mail Online link, Kate. There are so many headlines coming out about the Albanians from Kosovo recently, that I am starting a notebook with clippings of all the articles. I will then make copies, and send them to all the governments in Europe and the US, so they too can enjoy all these press clippings about their "Newborn" project. They can also get to know the leadership in Pristina a little better.

"I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:" (kate)

-- You oughta check this one out from the Guardian. Seems the Western press is not ignoring the charges this time, nor is it giving the usual lip service to the KLA as a "freedom fighting" movement.

Cheers to the adoption of this report. And long-overdue cheers to the truth finally emerging about ghoulish figures as Thaci and his criminal KLA organization that was Eliza Doolittled into champions of multiethnic democracy.

"It's not that surprising to hear that Serbia has selected this moment to defame Mr Thaci given that he just won a difficult election and the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo is about to start. Naturally Serbia would prefer a weakling or an Albanian extremist to head the Kosovar negotiators to gain more ground in the international community where her reputation is not exactly great!"
(adrian kola, 16 December 2010 11:11)

With the 'fame' the gentleman Mr Thaci has, it's literally impossible to 'defame' him. It's a shame that, even nowadays, almost 1/3 of the Kosovars voted for a person like him.

gee Captain Frisco, after such a long winded statement like that, you still couldnt find it in your heart to condemn these crimes but still point the finger at the Serb 'nationalist posters' engaged what you call in a little 'hate fest'.

Adrian wrote:

"[...] unfortunately none of the commentators seem to be aware of the 'innocent until proven guilty' notion!"

Adrian, I guess you mean the Kosovo Albanian commentators who constantly speak of Mladic and Karadzic as a war criminals?

In the overall scheme of things, I'm more than ever waiting to see the US cables sent from Belgrade and Prishtina. I will not be surprised if publication of these cables is something the US government mostly fears. In case cables include such material about Thaci and the KLA that shows USA has had knowledge of possible crimes... Well, that would be dynamite to turn many tables.

Poor Ahtisaari! I believe he didn't know in which soup he put his ignorant spoon. But that's not to his defense.

I'm waiting for any evidence in connection to Marty's report. Before that I don't choose my side about what is and what isn't the truth.

Thank's to wikkileak to make the world leaders think that the truth can't be hidden....

Good that things are in motion finally and to Bganon:

This paranoid obsession of yours is sickening (and tiresome), if you cant provide any evidence to back up your accusations you better back off and NO, i wasn´t under your bed yesterday night. I offered you months ago under one of your attacks, to drop me a mail to sort things out. Please do that, it might help you...

@ Roberto - You cared about that poor creature Mila the dog more than you clearly care about 500 people being kidnapped and murdered for their organs. Shame on you.

And why? Because they are Serbian people. Look at yourself long and hard in the mirror (a bit more than usual).

It is also very bizzarre that in a democratic society, a criminal can have more rights than honest and decent people. Would Dick Marty be happy to show to the public its "evidences" against Thaci in a Court of Law and if his "evidences" prove wrong and misleading to face a trial for slander and misuse of power? I am personally convinced that Thaci is totally innocent and the KLA fight was just. I can not rule out that some elements of the KLA might have committed crimes against humanity. But what Dick Marti is trying to "achieve" is to discreted the KLA as an organisation which for Albanians was freedom fighters and for the Serbs a terrorist one. We all know the reasons. Dick Martin is trying to denigrate the head of this political organisation.

For some reason the link didn't transfer. Here's the Guardian piece:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/15/balkans-report-blairs-liberal-intervention

racist? bigoted? xenophobic? reactionary?
Robert-o
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 05:38)

1) Yes, Roberto - that what all your posts are. Bigoted. Xenophobic. Reactionary.
They aren't "racist" because Serbs and Albanians are the same race. And Serbs, Bosnians, Croatians, Montenegrins are the same people and same language.

2) Congratulation to create an other Mladic thing out of Dick Marty news. You pulled what is not easy to pull. I believe, you are a maniac.

3) I am not sure, you can fit into Bosnia or Kosovo. In the fact, I am not sure you can fit anywhere in the "East Europe". The life in Bosnia or Kosovo is very different than going from one cafe to an other, but sure, if you have some savings you can retire there. Given the complete lack of the language command, and being completely oblivious to certain aspects of life in East Europe probably Costa Rica or Arizona would fit you better. For unprepared Americans East European retirement can turn into hell on Earth. But anyone can dream.

4) You are the one responsible for the good half of B92 teasing you. We were tortured with your comments for years. Now it came out. Not your opinion is what caused the frustration but the way you say and the fact you just can't say "ooops, I was wrong". See the "Albanian" elbows. This is the best way to become a whip boy.

Kosovo-USA, a military takeover ISN'T out of the question, it's guaranteed by Res1244 which is the foundation of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence plan' that Hash & co. will have to accept. This piece of organ evidence shows how psychologically disturbed your sociopathic cold- blooded leaders are
(highduke, 16 December 2010 14:57)
Resolution 1244 does not give any possiblilty to a Serbian military takeover of Kosovo, have you even read it?

Res1244 implicitly recognizes Serb sovereinty over KiM which implies the presence of our military & intelligence. It is the Kumanovo Treaty that prevents the but hey, as long as Albanians naively believe that Res1244 guarantees otherwise, it makes implementing any aspect of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence' plan and then turning on Hash much much easier

I'm waiting for any evidence in connection to Marty's report. Before that I don't choose my side about what is and what isn't the truth.
(Olli, 16 December 2010 14:09)

Unfortunatelly, I am afraid that whole evidence has been destroyed in Albania. Only what is left are people who survived and they will be eliminated very soon. Albanian authorites never cooperated to start the investigation. Sali Berisha destroyed all evidence.

In your refence to Ahtisaari, he is the man of the US. He is not man of principles, he just does what he is told to do, typical diplomat.

Some Finnish investigators were involved in investigating these crimes, you can find their names here(the link does not refer to organ harvesting case, but gives information about investigators names)
http://www.ictytranscripts.org/TrialTranscripts/HTML/transe84/07-06-25-ED.html

You can ask them why they did not start criminal investigation. At least I saw name of one of them on the paper when they received material from Jose Pablo Baraybar. All three of them were working in that time for International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia as investigators. One of them is working now for EULEX.

This organ trafficing is no news. Everyone already knew albanians are guilty of this horrific crime. However, most countries decided to turn a blind eye to these horrible crimes. I guess the pressure to bring this up to the surface was just to great to ignore it forever.

The allegations came from Dick Marty,an swiss politican who fought and is still fifgting fiercly against Kosovo independence ... What an inpartial reporter!!!
However,Thaci is suing Dick and The Guardian and Albania parliament are debating a resolution where condemn "the findings" of Dick.
Personally if Dick is making up stories as we know from before,I would like that Albania to put him in 'person non grata" list.
But who listens!Half of Albania ginverment is still in love with serbs!

"an't you guys read? A lot of it comes from CIA reports, German intelligence and UN investigations. How can anyone claim this to be propaganda when it comes from the West itself accusing itself of covering up these crimes?

Talk about people being in denial, this is a perfect example but it's not surprising one bit.
(Zoran,"

Get real Zoran,

The report starts with petting Carla del Pontes book in capacity as "former prosecutor"

CIA KGB and all the other cronies know Serbia is hiding people on genocide charges,but what?

As for denile, if thats all it takes for Serbs to get their "moral wins", well great, your boat wont float for long though.

You know what's scary? Not one Serb leader took it upon himself to urgently request a UN meeting. Two days have already passed and not one word has been said on this. Not one Russian leader took it upon himself to request an urgent UNSC meeting on this. Kosunica, Jeremic, Tadic, Nikolic have all been awfully quiet. Ivanovic and Bogdanovic have been scarily silent on this. None of them have requested concrete urgent actions. Notice their complacency on inaction. This seems very coordinated especially since they're used to throw words such as pyromanics and terrorist when nothing is going on. They're being eerily silent when something of this magnitude has happened. 2 days have already passed. This silence is quite scary. But they all b..tch and moan for months all over the world for a telephone line. There is something that is quite strange in all of this. Notice the lack of actions from those who are making the allegations. None of them show any urgency or forcefulness in requesting concrete actions through international investigative bodies. Notice the reluctance and quite frankly the will to no be urgent and forceful in requesting an international investigation through proper international channels; but rather choose to be inactive and silent. Something seems to be going behind closed doors. The Serbs are being unusually quiet and keeping silent, especially when considering the phone issues, while the Russians are uncharacteristically passive. The West is calling for proofs. Something seem not to be right. This is not normal behavior from the Serbs or the Ruskies. What is it this time that is making them remain quiet and inactive over an issue which you would thing a little action would give them a lot of moral and political arsenal? Why are they uncharacteristically not taking advantage of this?

I think that the investigation should be started immediately against Dick Marty for defamation and also for corruption. This man is paid by the Serbian and Russian secret services to make such insinuations and also to destabilize Kosova. EU and U.S. must urgently deal with this "man" who invents and works on behalf of Serbia. This action is done intentionally in a situation where Kosovo is at the time of election. The question arises: how is possible that such people without any fact, was given the opportunity to report through the EU institutions. This is very harmful not only for Kosovo but also for the EU and its fragile democracy. This man and Carla el Ponte should urgently be prosecuted for false allegations made by them.

I can tell that the print media is in crisis, I am sorry for you the Guardian I see that now in order to sell you are able as well to publish anything...flashy news isn't it.. beep let s see where your credibility will flow in some months time from now.. enjoy your dmarty cokteil..

Hashim Thaci's pre-war nickname was SNAKE. How come he didn't get a nickname....something like "yogi bear" or similar......
I wonder why he never visited Switzerland as PM of Kosovo?! He is wanted there for drug trafficking,.....interesting choice for PM. But I guess USA had no other choice but him.....he controlled (and his gang) a lot of Kosovo.
Time to pay, maybe?

This organ trafficing is no news. Everyone already knew albanians are guilty of this horrific crime. However, most countries decided to turn a blind eye to these horrible crimes. ...(Aloys, 16 December 2010 18:05)
Yeah!
The only "evidence" was that thay found a syringe though in a street of the village, where no kosovar have set foot!!!
BIG PROOF!!!
I can asure you guys that if albanians could have done 1/1000 of crimes that serbian did against non serbians in 1990s, they would have been all killed,today and Albania would have been devided between Serbia and Greece!
SO DON'T BLAME US FOR 1990s!

Can't you guys read? A lot of it comes from CIA reports, German intelligence and UN investigations. How can anyone claim this to be propaganda when it comes from the West itself accusing itself of covering up these crimes?

Talk about people being in denial, this is a perfect example but it's not surprising one bit.
(Zoran, 16 December 2010 15:59)

Zoran, come on, you are asking tooooooo much... have you ever been able to read by having either your head in the sand or a bag on your head, try, quiet difficult...
Here a few links in different newspapers

http://www.lematin.ch/actu/suisse/suisse-appelle-kosovo-eclaircir-accusations-marty-362428 Swiss newspaper

http://www.hebdo.ch/la_mafia_albanophone_est_des_plus_violentes_76934_.html

l'Hebdo most read Swiss publication, article by the Geneva prosecutor = Albanian mafia controlling the heroin market in Switzerland, links with the corrupted kosovo governement

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article11673962/Aus-Sorge-um-Stabilitaet-tolerierte-der-Westen-Thaci.html

Die Welt, german newspaper, confirming 2005 BND's report (german CIA) of the snake's activity in all sort of nice business...

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2010/12/15/le-conseil-de-l-europe-accuse-l-uck-de-trafic-d-organes_1453524_3214.html#ens_id=1451821

Le Monde, french newspaper, Thaci at the heart of organ trafficking...

http://reuters.com/

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/16/kosovo.organs/index.html?eref=edition

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/15/kosovo-crime-ring-examine-hashim-thaci

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/world/europe/16kosovo.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=kosovo&st=cse

Indeed not much publicized and hard to read....

--Marty admits that he has no evidence...
(Der Schweizer, 16 December 2010 22:01) --

Vielen dank, Herr Schweizer, sei kein fremde hier... mein deutsch ist nicht ausgezeichnet, but you can catch my drift.

Yes, i am back. oh my god, how could i stay away from one of the greatest hate fests, i mean fascinating discussion boards on the web? even with my oh-so-busy schedule in Prist.... i mean frisco.

Really -- why would anyone in their right mind think it a put-down to place you (me) in the balkans? hello... i wish, send me a fu---ing ticket. is it 'sposed to be a put-down if i were in pristina w/ my "albanian brothers-and sisters"? that would only work if we were all ultra racist albanian-haters, instead of just some.

the truth is i might end up living in pristina one day, if my VERY determined young frnd ever makes it into the govt there. and i don't put it past him, he is very bright, ambitious and determined. and if and when he does, i will (god willing) be the American advisor. that's our bargain, and we shall see.

but for anyone who reads what i write (instead of making things up, full of their lies and personal attacks), they would know that my balkan home is my beloved sarajevo. where i may also reside one day, with any luck, in the coming decades... teach english, hang out at cafes, promote some progressive groups, and generally enjoy life. from my lips to god's ears... so next time, pls say "roberto from Saraj..." and maybe one day it will come true :)

truth be told, we have one more day of work for the year (x-mas vacation) and yes, i am in a VERY good, upbeat mood.

dick marty's allegations: definitely no joke. ever. actually, i'm the one who is always writing about war crimes, war criminals, how ALL war crimes need to be investigated, how members of all ethnicities have been victims... has mladic been turned over to the hague yet? has the mass gravesite in the south been exhumed while i was blinking? yes? No?? i guess it all skipped that nice mr marty's attention.

yes, i have (quickly) looked over the report. i won't say "thanks" but i used the link mike sent, so i should at least acknowledge that. the accusations are mainly not new, perhaps some aspects? they have to be investigated, one way or another.

some thoughts about marty's report:

-- there is a vague admission of serbia's war crimes, but it's treated like ancient history (yeah, yeah, we've heard all about it but it's all been dealt with..) so in that way, marty succeeds in marginalizing the war crimes ag. the albanians, to say nothing of the crimes ag. croatians and bosnians (and "non-loyal" serbs as well.) but then he can always say, "i mentioned it!"

-- the "clans". marty goes on and on (and on) about albanian clan society, how they cover for one another, stick together, conspire together... now most of us would agree that traditional albanian society is very patriarchal and based on clans -- that is their history. with all of its richness and also potential down points. we could have some very interesting discussions about it, say, from a feminist perspective...

but no, not marty -- for marty, it is like one big disease. i am saying that he is critiquing albanian society, and blasting it. is that even appropriate? is it bizarre? is it racist? bigoted? xenophobic? reactionary? i think we are seeing some not-so-pretty sides of europa europa, as we did, with a vengeance, throughout the early 40's... was that really "neutral" switzerland... hmm. there are a whole lot of my people that would dispute this "neutral" pretense.

As for thaci, i have never been a major Thaci booster. my albanian friends do not like him, to put it mildly. and if there is adequate evidence that HE (and/or some of his associates)are guilty of war-crimes, then yes, they should face trial, either in the Hague, in pristina, or both.

i'm just so amazed that our serbian nationalist posters and their "nice" allies suddenly believe in the Hague and in telling the truth about the missing.

Ciao!

Robert-o
frisco

"he was mandated by the COE was to find facts, which he deed without any doubts, but not to look for the final evidences"

-- In what kind of word is something qualified as a fact when there's no evidence? What the hell are you talking about Swiss? There are opinions, rumors, and then there are facts. The difference being that you do not need evidence for opinions and rumors but you do need evidence for facts. That is why a fact is not disputable. Because there is evidence that backs it up. That is why there are many different opinions, because with a lack of evidence anyone can make opinions up, but a fact is absolutist in nature. It either exists or it doesn't depending on whether there is evidence. A simple analogy would be you saying the earth is flat is a fact even though you have no evidence for it. You seem to be very confused about what constitutes a fact. It is also clear you have no science background. Your claim that a fact does not require evidence is ridiculous at best from a scientific point of view.

Kate -- i thought about responding to you in that same nasty vein, but then i thought: she's one of the VERY few on the other side that i will even consider talking with. plus, last day of work.

so what you said is a lie. i very much care about all the victims,esp.ly of the war crimes. like my frnd zoran in sarajevo, still suffering the effects of a hole in his lung fr yr pals of the milosevic/karadzic/; mladic crowd. he's serb. one of many victims. of 1000s and 1000s.

you need to redirect yr anger to the proponents and executers of ethnic cleansing, many (not all) of whom continue to reside in belgrade. hello!

you need to demand the opening of the mass graves, hello!

you need to demand the arrest and extradition of mladic!

you need to demand the uncovering of the cover up of the trepca and mackatica mass burnings.

you need to demand the real prosecution of war criminals in belgrade, not just the ones insisted on by natasa.

so pls, take a long look into YOUR mirror,before responding to me.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

so what you said is a lie. i very much care about all the victims,esp.ly of the war crimes. like my frnd zoran in sarajevo, still suffering the effects of a hole in his lung fr yr pals of the milosevic/karadzic/; mladic crowd. he's serb. one of many victims. of 1000s and 1000s.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 17:59)

Attention, please. The hard-line "Stormfront" guys, skinheads and other animals usually start their tirades with something like:

"what you said is a lie.I have friends in Tel-Aviv" (and so on). Such phrases should be a warning: the "my Israeli friends" litany is usually a prelude to some nasty anti-Semitic stuff.

This time it wasn't any different. Just the national origin was exchanged. Bigotry stays.

---

you need to redirect yr anger to the proponents and executers of ethnic cleansing, many (not all) of whom continue to reside in belgrade. hello!

you need to demand the opening of the mass graves, hello!

you need to demand the arrest and extradition of mladic!

you need to demand the uncovering of the cover up of the trepca and mackatica mass burnings.

you need to demand the real prosecution of war criminals in belgrade, not just the ones insisted on by natasa.

so pls, take a long look into YOUR mirror,before responding to me.

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 17:59)

Yes, "hello" indeed - you were expected to answer... the yellow house. Not a single Serb did fall so low to call places of horror you mentioned "baloney". Baloney = "bullsh*t", just a different word. And pretty unlucky, too - because an other word for "Baloney" is MORTadella.

Here I mentioned it already - right on the top, towards the end of the message. There was no response, not even "sorry, it was a misunderstanding".

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67219

And you wonder, your words achieve nothing, but rejection.

But in case you didn't read, Jeremic already said something yesterday about Thaci's career basically being over, while Vekaric calls this a "great victory for Serbia". Rada Trajkovic basically said she wouldn't touch Hash with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. And Ivanovic can basically snort out a "see, I told you so". If you're wondering where the chorus of words from Kostunica, Nikolic, and the rest are, I guess I'm curious as well, but at this point there doesn't seem to be a need to say anything since it's being widely reported.

My guess is that Belgrade has decided to wait, or has been told to wait, before taking this to the UNSC. Worry not. It will get there. This is a lot more damning for Pristina than a severed phone line.
(Mike, 16 December 2010 21:15)

-- Mike you're trying to justify the inexcusable. All you have are 3 one word salads; that don't even attempt to tackle this issue. The silence of the Serb leadership over this issue is quite disturbing even as an Albanian. This is not normal Serb behavior; neither normal Russian behavior. This wait doesn't seem to be a decision made by Belgrade. Belgrade doesn't wait. Not when it is about capitalizing on moral and political arsenal. This is too much of a moral and political arsenal for Belgrade to simply let it remain in the arena of hearsay and allegations. Unless that's all there is to it; just hearsay, and allegations. In which case a real investigation would destroy Belgrade's political gains from these allegations. Either that or something else is going on behind the scenes and Belgrade and Moscow is being made an offer they can't refuse. Their silence and total passivity seems to be up for sale. We will have to wait and see. So far though the behavior of Serbia, and Russia and their nonchalant passivity is disturbing, weird and a very abnormal behavior for both of these countries. If one Albanian flag in Presheva causes a hurricane of reactions from Belgrade; the total calm and lack of political action on this issue is quite odd.

"They're being eerily silent when something of this magnitude has happened. 2 days have already passed. This silence is quite scary." (johny)

-- Give it time johny. The CoE just adopted the report this afternoon. With the amount of press it's already received, Jeremic doesn't have to shout for attention like he normally does. But in case you didn't read, Jeremic already said something yesterday about Thaci's career basically being over, while Vekaric calls this a "great victory for Serbia". Rada Trajkovic basically said she wouldn't touch Hash with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. And Ivanovic can basically snort out a "see, I told you so". If you're wondering where the chorus of words from Kostunica, Nikolic, and the rest are, I guess I'm curious as well, but at this point there doesn't seem to be a need to say anything since it's being widely reported.

My guess is that Belgrade has decided to wait, or has been told to wait, before taking this to the UNSC. Worry not. It will get there. This is a lot more damning for Pristina than a severed phone line.

Marty admits that he has no evidence...
(Der Schweizer, 16 December 2010 22:01)

if your speak german and are... swiss german, then you would have understood what he meant, basically his primarly job, meaning for what he was mandated by the COE was to find facts, which he deed without any doubts, but not to look for the final evidences, for which other people are responsible.
In other word, he now gave enough facts for a TRUE investigation to start, is it clear now.
If you are a "real" Swiss, as you writte
you woul certainly know what Mr Marty achieved sofat and what has been his role the last 20 years, if not look on his biography....

Thanks Kate and Mike for those informative links.

Here is another one with many videos -> http://rt.com/news/kosovo-pm-organized-crime/

@The Swiss
You have forgotten one link:
[link]
Marty admits that he has no evidence...
(Der Schweizer, 16 December 2010 22:01)

Zitat:

"Meine Aufgabe war es, Fakten zu sammeln, für die Beweise sind andere zuständig"
Also: er sei kein Privatdetektiv. Ist er ja auch nicht. Alles klar?

Igelische Grüße...

http://tinyurl.com/lg6dzk

Why don’t they arrest Thaci then? He’s not hiding (unlike some other monster) in army barracks or government buildings in Belgrade or in the Drenica forests. He’s in politics for quite sometime now. He was prime minister for three years and he’ll be Kosovo’s prime minister again.
What’s going on is a last wave of Serbian anti- Albanian propaganda backed by Russia and their lobbies in certain west European countries. Nothing new here. Typical anti-Albanian propaganda. Every time there is an important event in Albanian areas something like this will surface. Albania just entered a new era of democracy with the visa liberalization that started only the 15th of December, and Kosovo just held the first election since the Independence. What do you say? Just a coincidence? Well, a lot of coincidences in my opinion. The main goal of this propaganda is to discredit the Albanian fight for freedom and make Mladic & Co look like angels when compared to these “bloodthirsty monsters” Albanians. Let me ask you this: Who’s responsible for the hundreds of thousands of Croat, Bosnian and Albanian civilians killed during the 90s?
Thaci will sue this Dick and will win the case. That’s all, don’t get too exited guys.
Serbia just fired the last bullet

@ KARAMUSTAFA,

Your question (about passive Finnish investigators) is valid, and the possible answer a worrying one. I'll work on your question.

What worries me equally much this very moment is the mental state of most of Albanians commenting here. They are closing to a hysterical condition.

If nothing else, it really seems like the Big Players are tired with Thaci.

(can you notice how I'm keeping my cool... Before I declined the offer the army committee told me I'm top officer material and a glorious future was ahead for me... did this slip off-topic?)

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 17:59)

hey foggy frisco, Mrs Del Ponte is going to retire soon from her post in Argentina, she is planing to come back "I'll be back" to the scene to finish what she was hindered to. She looking for THE inspector Sniff, or Maigret type and I thought that you would fit the bill, she also like mirrors very much, so can I send her your CV?
By pls, remember the soil gets frozen very rapidly these days, so quickly get your head out of the sand before it's too late
Thank you

Foggy Frisco fan's club

Recipients include Canadians, Germans and Israelis. ...

gee Captain Frisco, after such a long winded statement like that, you still couldnt find it in your heart to condemn these crimes but still point the finger at the Serb 'nationalist posters' engaged what you call in a little 'hate fest'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 17 December 2010 12:00)

I see some traces of sound ideas in that post (i.e. retiring to Sarajevo or Pristina), the problem is the total under-estimate of the problems so it most likely to be a failure. Of course you can retire with $2000-2500/month net in the area nicely, but many things need to be arranged and without substantial savings and / or a real estate falling into your lap you are nowhere. Having some real estate in SF Bay Area and selling it would work out great, but I have a gut feeling, this is just not the case. Busses can't take you everywhere, getting a nice place to live = get a driving license. Getting a fresh one at the age of 60+? Yikes. 99% of the cars in the area are with stick shift. And they aren't cheap... an other $15-$20K gone for somewhat, what actually works and I was very cautious. Than the health insurance. Than the paperwork (visa things). And finally... if you can't see the difference between written Serbo-Croatian and written Albanian there is a lot of learn.

Me thinks: clear case for Costa Rica or Arizona... some people go to Florida. Paraguay is dirt-cheap and relatively flat and permits not difficult to arrange. And Buenos Aires is one night by bus from there. Without car even Paraguay is not perfect. In CR you can get away without Spanish, but not in Paraguay. Pipe dreams, in short.

Igelische Grüße...

[link]
(Igel-Spiegel, 17 December 2010 00:04)

hahahahha, another Jes-spiegel...., then igel-detektiv...

this is worth a Jelen

Look at all the albanians crying...whats wrong? is the TRUTH COMING OUT? cant handle it? This is just the start of truth that happened in Kosovo, and not like the propaganda that albanians payed CNN in 98-99.

This man needs to be protected.

I'm really not sure what is the point in relativising and qualifying every piece of news that appears.

I'm not sure the victims of the organ trade, the victims of Thaci whether Serb or Albanian or Roma (it is known that Albanians and Roma were beaten or even killed for alleged collaboration with Jugoslav authorities) would want to hear that somebody else's suffering is worse than theirs.

Sometimes the decent thing to do is to just give victims their due, regardless whether it interferes with one's political stance. Its called being a decent human being.

Sometimes, all that is needed is a statement on the subject in hand and not a lecture to others.

Its a real pity...

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:26)

Certainly British media does not need anybody’s permission to do that


I hope that someone publishes the picture of Blair and Albright with their 'mates' and the clip of Kouchner ridiculing the 'yellow house'. These people are all criminals and were complicit in the crimes.
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:40)

What crimes specifically ?


The truth about one of the greatest war crimes of the last half century (the bombing of YU in 1999) is finally coming out.
(Niall O'Doherty, 16 December 2010 10:55)

Who decided that the bombing of YU in 1999 was a war crime ? Do you have any reference from the humanitarian international law ? And who committed that crime ?


I say negotiate with Hash, give him immunity and after we've secured KiM, then we take back the immunity and do Thaci the same way the West did Karadzic
(highduke, 16 December 2010 13:15)

What did Russia, the West and the whole international community do to Karadzic ?


The report was supposed to be made public in late June of this year. 6 moths ago. Check the BBC sources. Why it was postponed, I supposed that Americans did not like it.
(European, 16 December 2010 13:41)

Or because evidence was not being found… who knows ? We can speculate anything we want.


Kosovo-USA, a military takeover ISN'T out of the question, it's guaranteed by Res1244 which is the foundation of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence plan' that Hash & co. will have to accept.
(highduke, 16 December 2010 14:57)

Yes, takeover with an “agreed” number of Serb personnel as 1244 says. Again, it says, “agreed”. For example, the agreed number may be 0 :), or to satisfy your dreams, let’s say 1 if that makes you flying higher from happiness :)


Resolution 1244 does not give any possiblilty to a Serbian military takeover of Kosovo, have you even read it?
(a New Day, 16 December 2010 15:42)

Wait, that is the famous Serbian version of the resolution that has this and a lot of other things that nobody has seen in the original English and French versions :)


Res1244 implicitly recognizes Serb sovereinty over KiM which implies the presence of our military & intelligence. It is the Kumanovo Treaty that prevents the but hey, as long as Albanians naively believe that Res1244 guarantees otherwise, it makes implementing any aspect of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence' plan and then turning on Hash much much easier
(highduke, 16 December 2010 16:53)

I could not see the above in 1244 or the documents included by reference therein (of course, I’m referring to the English/French version, not the Serbian one). In any case, let’s assume that you are correct. That does not change the fact that Kosovo declared independence in accordance with 1244.

I can sense a massive explosion of excitement and emotions in the Serbian camp, and unfortunately none of the commentators seem to be aware of the 'innocent until proven guilty' notion! Just hold your horses for a while, these are just allegations!
This Dick guy is renowned for his strong Serbian bias and crazy anti-Albanian sentiment.
It's not that surprising to hear that Serbia has selected this moment to defame Mr Thaci given that he just won a difficult election and the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo is about to start. Naturally Serbia would prefer a weakling or an Albanian extremist to head the Kosovar negotiators to gain more ground in the international community where her reputation is not exactly great!

In nice to notice that there are smiles on some Serbian faces. Rare moment to smile, so do use the utmost to take advantage of a propaganda, as its life will be VERY SHORT INDEED.

Let me assure you guys that Marty is an awful example on how people with such low ethics can become EC parliamentarians. It is terrible to notice what has become of EC.

I would like Thaci to proved (to any court)that he extremely clean on ALL accusations, but Marty's money that he obtained by Serbian government won't be enough to pay the reparations to Mr. Thaci, which then is to be followed with large prison sentence, that in other words will mean that Dick will die in prison.

However, the Western world has far more capacity to detect the truth, therefore, it will not let rubbish material ruin a solid career that Mr. Thaci has built.

West is calling FOR FACTS NOT WORDS...and believe me THERE IS NONE, but words...

Marty thinks that Albanians are easy nut to crack, but let me assure you that he is TOTALLY WRONG. We have learned the hard way by fighting Serbian low propaganda war, on how to encounter LIES, and conclusion is BY PURE FACTS, not words.

This is how we won the war of liberation in 1999.

Marty who is on Belgrade's pay roll thinks Albanians can be manipulated, but he will be EASILY proven NOT ONLY wrong BUT ALSO A BIG LIAR.

Such rubbish news can only be produced by Serbs themselves.

The latest news is that Mr. Thaci is suing Dick for this COLOSSAL LIE by any standard.

Tadic is the only one that is admiting indirectly that this is rubbish, when he say.."I will meet Thaci at any time, even now"...and also today mildly saying that "the accusations from the report should be "checked"".

I say negotiate with Hash, give him immunity and after we've secured KiM, then we take back the immunity and do Thaci the same way the West did Karadzic
(highduke, 16 December 2010 13:15)


Please explain just how are you going to secure your so called "KIM"?
Knowing that military take ove is out of the question.

By the way, I got to hand it to Tadic.It seems like he knows the truth that this report is nothing but a hoax.

It is also very bizzarre that in a democratic society, a criminal can have more rights than honest and decent people. Would Dick Marty be happy to show to the public its "evidences" against Thaci in a Court of Law and if his "evidences" prove wrong and misleading to face a trial for slander and misuse of power? I am personally convinced that Thaci is totally innocent and the KLA fight was just. I can not rule out that some elements of the KLA might have committed crimes against humanity. But what Dick Marti is trying to "achieve" is to discreted the KLA as an organisation which for Albanians was freedom fighters and for the Serbs a terrorist one. We all know the reasons. Dick Martin is trying to denigrate the head of this political organisation.

On Friday I will publish a report that I am the legitimate ruler of the world. Unfortunately I can not reveal my sources since they are all protected, but for sure you will believe me, won't you?

Marty admits that he has no evidence...
(Der Schweizer, 16 December 2010 22:01)

if your speak german and are... swiss german, then you would have understood what he meant, basically his primarly job, meaning for what he was mandated by the COE was to find facts, which he deed without any doubts, but not to look for the final evidences, for which other people are responsible.
In other word, he now gave enough facts for a TRUE investigation to start, is it clear now.
If you are a "real" Swiss, as you writte
you woul certainly know what Mr Marty achieved sofat and what has been his role the last 20 years, if not look on his biography....

@The Swiss
You have forgotten one link:
[link]
Marty admits that he has no evidence...
(Der Schweizer, 16 December 2010 22:01)

Zitat:

"Meine Aufgabe war es, Fakten zu sammeln, für die Beweise sind andere zuständig"
Also: er sei kein Privatdetektiv. Ist er ja auch nicht. Alles klar?

Igelische Grüße...

http://tinyurl.com/lg6dzk

Igelische Grüße...

[link]
(Igel-Spiegel, 17 December 2010 00:04)

hahahahha, another Jes-spiegel...., then igel-detektiv...

this is worth a Jelen

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
[link]#

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:26)

The tide is turning kate. The truth about one of the greatest war crimes of the last half century (the bombing of YU in 1999) is finally coming out.

The US & British imperialists are about to meet their 'Waterloo'.

Good that things are in motion finally and to Bganon:

This paranoid obsession of yours is sickening (and tiresome), if you cant provide any evidence to back up your accusations you better back off and NO, i wasn´t under your bed yesterday night. I offered you months ago under one of your attacks, to drop me a mail to sort things out. Please do that, it might help you...

I think that the investigation should be started immediately against Dick Marty for defamation and also for corruption. This man is paid by the Serbian and Russian secret services to make such insinuations and also to destabilize Kosova. EU and U.S. must urgently deal with this "man" who invents and works on behalf of Serbia. This action is done intentionally in a situation where Kosovo is at the time of election. The question arises: how is possible that such people without any fact, was given the opportunity to report through the EU institutions. This is very harmful not only for Kosovo but also for the EU and its fragile democracy. This man and Carla el Ponte should urgently be prosecuted for false allegations made by them.

"an't you guys read? A lot of it comes from CIA reports, German intelligence and UN investigations. How can anyone claim this to be propaganda when it comes from the West itself accusing itself of covering up these crimes?

Talk about people being in denial, this is a perfect example but it's not surprising one bit.
(Zoran,"

Get real Zoran,

The report starts with petting Carla del Pontes book in capacity as "former prosecutor"

CIA KGB and all the other cronies know Serbia is hiding people on genocide charges,but what?

As for denile, if thats all it takes for Serbs to get their "moral wins", well great, your boat wont float for long though.

@ Roberto - You cared about that poor creature Mila the dog more than you clearly care about 500 people being kidnapped and murdered for their organs. Shame on you.

And why? Because they are Serbian people. Look at yourself long and hard in the mirror (a bit more than usual).

Kosovo-USA, a military takeover ISN'T out of the question, it's guaranteed by Res1244 which is the foundation of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence plan' that Hash & co. will have to accept. This piece of organ evidence shows how psychologically disturbed your sociopathic cold- blooded leaders are
(highduke, 16 December 2010 14:57)
Resolution 1244 does not give any possiblilty to a Serbian military takeover of Kosovo, have you even read it?

I hope that someone publishes the picture of Blair and Albright with their 'mates' and the clip of Kouchner ridiculing the 'yellow house'. These people are all criminals and were complicit in the crimes.

The EU and USA knew all this I believe their agenda was the destruction of a non aligned state friendly to Russia.
(Diana, 16 December 2010 12:12)

Well said. Victory for Serbs under Milosevic = powerful Russian ally controlling a lot of the Balkans = less influence for the United States.

Even as a Jew, an Israeli-American citizen and a Democrat, I never supported the KLA or the West's war against Serbia, right from the get-go. Mind you, I never thought much of Milosevic (I thought he was rather selfish, and never held the best interests of Serbs at heart), but it was shameful to see what Western planes were doing to that beautiful country for three whole months.

I believe in karma; what goes around, comes around, and justice will ALWAYS prevail.

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1339015/Tony-Blairs-friend-Kosovan-PM-Hashim-Thaci-bizarre-monster.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.

Finally the truth is slipping out after being purposely surpressed for years. The Americans will do everything to try and stop the truth coming out because if they can't support their lie that it was a humanitarian war they are seen to the whole world as liars,crooks and imperialists. I was against the bombing of Serbia and the forced breakup of Yugoslavia. - the truth was there then for independent thinkers and those who were prepared to scratch the surface and go beyond the spin. It is a sad reflection on our society that so many people took the lies hook line and sinker. The EU and USA knew all this I believe their agenda was the destruction of a non aligned state friendly to Russia.

I say negotiate with Hash, give him immunity and after we've secured KiM, then we take back the immunity and do Thaci the same way the West did Karadzic

It's not that surprising to hear that Serbia has selected this moment to defame Mr Thaci given that he just won a difficult election and the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo is about to start. (adrian kola, 16 December 2010 11:11)

Adrian, Serbia has not "selected this moment", the Council of Europe has. That is something very different and something which you should take seriously, rather than simply running round shrieking "propaganda".

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:26

I very much doubt whether the EU will have the balls and bring Thaçi, Albright, Blair and other US style world domination cronies to the international court in Hague.To do so is like apportioning blame to themselves for the crimes they committed against the Serbs in the balkan wars.


You would recall the comment by Bernard Kouchner when asked about organ trafficking in kosovo, he just burst into laugh, and said to reporter "you're a sick man".

The most likely outcome of this will be to force Thaci to retirement so he can enjoy the proceeds of his narco and organ trafficking business.

I can tell that the print media is in crisis, I am sorry for you the Guardian I see that now in order to sell you are able as well to publish anything...flashy news isn't it.. beep let s see where your credibility will flow in some months time from now.. enjoy your dmarty cokteil..

The allegations came from Dick Marty,an swiss politican who fought and is still fifgting fiercly against Kosovo independence ... What an inpartial reporter!!!
However,Thaci is suing Dick and The Guardian and Albania parliament are debating a resolution where condemn "the findings" of Dick.
Personally if Dick is making up stories as we know from before,I would like that Albania to put him in 'person non grata" list.
But who listens!Half of Albania ginverment is still in love with serbs!

Can't you guys read? A lot of it comes from CIA reports, German intelligence and UN investigations. How can anyone claim this to be propaganda when it comes from the West itself accusing itself of covering up these crimes?

Talk about people being in denial, this is a perfect example but it's not surprising one bit.
(Zoran, 16 December 2010 15:59)

Zoran, come on, you are asking tooooooo much... have you ever been able to read by having either your head in the sand or a bag on your head, try, quiet difficult...
Here a few links in different newspapers

http://www.lematin.ch/actu/suisse/suisse-appelle-kosovo-eclaircir-accusations-marty-362428 Swiss newspaper

http://www.hebdo.ch/la_mafia_albanophone_est_des_plus_violentes_76934_.html

l'Hebdo most read Swiss publication, article by the Geneva prosecutor = Albanian mafia controlling the heroin market in Switzerland, links with the corrupted kosovo governement

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article11673962/Aus-Sorge-um-Stabilitaet-tolerierte-der-Westen-Thaci.html

Die Welt, german newspaper, confirming 2005 BND's report (german CIA) of the snake's activity in all sort of nice business...

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2010/12/15/le-conseil-de-l-europe-accuse-l-uck-de-trafic-d-organes_1453524_3214.html#ens_id=1451821

Le Monde, french newspaper, Thaci at the heart of organ trafficking...

http://reuters.com/

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/16/kosovo.organs/index.html?eref=edition

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/15/kosovo-crime-ring-examine-hashim-thaci

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/world/europe/16kosovo.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=kosovo&st=cse

Indeed not much publicized and hard to read....

Kate -- i thought about responding to you in that same nasty vein, but then i thought: she's one of the VERY few on the other side that i will even consider talking with. plus, last day of work.

so what you said is a lie. i very much care about all the victims,esp.ly of the war crimes. like my frnd zoran in sarajevo, still suffering the effects of a hole in his lung fr yr pals of the milosevic/karadzic/; mladic crowd. he's serb. one of many victims. of 1000s and 1000s.

you need to redirect yr anger to the proponents and executers of ethnic cleansing, many (not all) of whom continue to reside in belgrade. hello!

you need to demand the opening of the mass graves, hello!

you need to demand the arrest and extradition of mladic!

you need to demand the uncovering of the cover up of the trepca and mackatica mass burnings.

you need to demand the real prosecution of war criminals in belgrade, not just the ones insisted on by natasa.

so pls, take a long look into YOUR mirror,before responding to me.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

"It's not that surprising to hear that Serbia has selected this moment to defame Mr Thaci given that he just won a difficult election and the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo is about to start. Naturally Serbia would prefer a weakling or an Albanian extremist to head the Kosovar negotiators to gain more ground in the international community where her reputation is not exactly great!"
(adrian kola, 16 December 2010 11:11)

With the 'fame' the gentleman Mr Thaci has, it's literally impossible to 'defame' him. It's a shame that, even nowadays, almost 1/3 of the Kosovars voted for a person like him.

Terrorists are Bad. Unless They Pay Me.

Do you remember faked incident with serbian police over «innocent» albanian (terrorists) people killed in masacre in Kosovo`s village Rachak? That was main reason for bombing SR Yugoslavia in 1999. Western politicians like Bill Clinton , Tony Blair, Madeleine Albright used that incident to promote attack above Yugoslavia. In the same time, american CIA officers educated albanian terrorists how to attack serbian police and how to fight in guerrilla war when they start airforce strikes. American interests was to transfer their troops from Germany and other parts of Europe to Eastern Europe and Kosovo. They already planned building a large millitary base (Bondsteel) in that part of Serbia. After 3 months of bombing and killing innocent civillians, the managed agreement with serbian government. They thought that their alliance with Hashim Tachi, Ramush Haradinaj and other albanian (UCK) terrorists provide long term influence in this part of Europe. That goal was so important, so they (americans and NATO) even command their troops to attack russian soldiers when they arived first to Prishtina airport in 1999. Some british soldiers was enough smart and they didn’t wanted to open fire on russian soldiers, because they knew it will be the start od 3rd World War.

When we talk about Hashim Tachi (The Father of albanian criminal mafia organization) and Ramush Haradinaj (an indicted war criminal), we all know that thoose people share same democratic values with american and some british politicians. Like american senator said in 1999 before NATO started airforce strikes: “The United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same human values and principles…Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values».

Money earned from heroin and other criminal activities like killing people and selling their organs was used for purchasing weapons in USA, weapon transportation from USA to Europe onto ships and later onto donkeys to Kosovo. Sniper rifles was used for killing Serbian police officers, knowing that Serbian police has to react, and that they will be able to use that as a Serbian repression against “innocent” Albanian population. Large amounts of money was spent on donations to the leading U.S. politicians (Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright etc.), lobbyists and NATO generals like Wesley Clark.

Albanian immigrants like the famous Hollywood actor James Belushi was involved in organizing and animating the participants in the donor dinner parties, as well as other Albanian immigrants around the world who wanted to support the Albanian national interests and the creation of Big Albania. Those who did not wanted to cooperate with the UCK were tortured and killed.

So, Im asking myself one question. Are the Serbs still bad guys in your eyes?

This organ trafficing is no news. Everyone already knew albanians are guilty of this horrific crime. However, most countries decided to turn a blind eye to these horrible crimes. ...(Aloys, 16 December 2010 18:05)
Yeah!
The only "evidence" was that thay found a syringe though in a street of the village, where no kosovar have set foot!!!
BIG PROOF!!!
I can asure you guys that if albanians could have done 1/1000 of crimes that serbian did against non serbians in 1990s, they would have been all killed,today and Albania would have been devided between Serbia and Greece!
SO DON'T BLAME US FOR 1990s!

gee Captain Frisco, after such a long winded statement like that, you still couldnt find it in your heart to condemn these crimes but still point the finger at the Serb 'nationalist posters' engaged what you call in a little 'hate fest'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 17 December 2010 12:00)

I see some traces of sound ideas in that post (i.e. retiring to Sarajevo or Pristina), the problem is the total under-estimate of the problems so it most likely to be a failure. Of course you can retire with $2000-2500/month net in the area nicely, but many things need to be arranged and without substantial savings and / or a real estate falling into your lap you are nowhere. Having some real estate in SF Bay Area and selling it would work out great, but I have a gut feeling, this is just not the case. Busses can't take you everywhere, getting a nice place to live = get a driving license. Getting a fresh one at the age of 60+? Yikes. 99% of the cars in the area are with stick shift. And they aren't cheap... an other $15-$20K gone for somewhat, what actually works and I was very cautious. Than the health insurance. Than the paperwork (visa things). And finally... if you can't see the difference between written Serbo-Croatian and written Albanian there is a lot of learn.

Me thinks: clear case for Costa Rica or Arizona... some people go to Florida. Paraguay is dirt-cheap and relatively flat and permits not difficult to arrange. And Buenos Aires is one night by bus from there. Without car even Paraguay is not perfect. In CR you can get away without Spanish, but not in Paraguay. Pipe dreams, in short.

Wow! That is quite astonishing. Fair enough, it's the Mail, which has a Labour-bashing agenda, but this deviates much further from the official line than we have seen hitherto. It probably also reflects the miserably low esteem in which Albanians are held by the inhabitants of Middle England - they appear to be running neck-and-neck with the Somalis for "least favoured immigrant" status, something the Daily Mail will be all too aware of.

Adrian-your dreams are disappearing the same way they came, with shame.

adrian kola: "unfortunately none of the commentators seem to be aware of the 'innocent until proven guilty' notion!"

Oh, right like the demonisation of Milosevic and the whole of Serbia?


"Just hold your horses for a while, these are just allegations!"

Actually they're not. They have far more substance than that. All that's really left to see is whether Dick Marty's report is just sidelined in some way.

You know the sort of thing: "Yes, you may have witness accounts, forensic and other evidence, but it's not enough to act upon."

@ Niall - Hi Niall, I hope that you are right. I am interested in why this is being allowed out in the wider media. There must be an agenda, or perhaps its just a snowball effect which leaked through and now can't be stopped.

I get Dave's point about The Mail, but I think it's more than that.

Either way I am very happy to see some truths coming out for once.

You know what's a real shame? The fact that practically NONE of this has broken out in western media outlets. I live here in Toronto, Canada and not a SINGLE word has been spoken about this. There's your propoganda for you!

It's been over 10 years, but the truth has finally come out.

Run, duck, and hide Mr. Thaci - you've not only pissed off Serbs worldwide, but the Russians ain't too happy about what you've done either.

gee Captain Frisco, after such a long winded statement like that, you still couldnt find it in your heart to condemn these crimes but still point the finger at the Serb 'nationalist posters' engaged what you call in a little 'hate fest'.

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
[link]#

I hope this is a shout that starts the long awaited avalanche.

The western press during the 'bombing' was fed what it needed, images (reminders) of Bosnia and endless queues of frightened bedraggled and bewldered refugees at the various borders. It was easy to do, l and many others in the west did'nt need much convincing at the time. The information releases was deliberate and targeted.

Later, as an IPO in kosovo, it soon became apparent how well we in the west were duped. During the next years l learnt, thru experience how even then events were still being controlled for political reasons, infomation/intelligence passed up the line was sifted and 'cherry picked' to suit the political need - Albanians were victims after all!!!, and did'nt want to upset the folks back home.
No need to worry there, subsequent world events caused a lot of folk to forget all about Kosovo, how convenient!
I am sure the UK press were familiar with many events, how newsworthy was it at the time? that the question, what could it have achieved. lets be honest the damage is done, EU, UK, US etc want this embarressing episode of there foreign policy to fade away, its a nuisance, like a bad itch it won't go away.
Better late than never, some people in the UK are interested in truth........

Adrian wrote:

"[...] unfortunately none of the commentators seem to be aware of the 'innocent until proven guilty' notion!"

Adrian, I guess you mean the Kosovo Albanian commentators who constantly speak of Mladic and Karadzic as a war criminals?

In the overall scheme of things, I'm more than ever waiting to see the US cables sent from Belgrade and Prishtina. I will not be surprised if publication of these cables is something the US government mostly fears. In case cables include such material about Thaci and the KLA that shows USA has had knowledge of possible crimes... Well, that would be dynamite to turn many tables.

Poor Ahtisaari! I believe he didn't know in which soup he put his ignorant spoon. But that's not to his defense.

I'm waiting for any evidence in connection to Marty's report. Before that I don't choose my side about what is and what isn't the truth.

Kosovo-USA, a military takeover ISN'T out of the question, it's guaranteed by Res1244 which is the foundation of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence plan' that Hash & co. will have to accept. This piece of organ evidence shows how psychologically disturbed your sociopathic cold- blooded leaders are

Would Dick Marty be happy to show to the public its "evidences" against Thaci in a Court of Law and if his "evidences" prove wrong and misleading to face a trial for slander and misuse of power?
(EA, 16 December 2010 14:47)
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Can't you guys read? A lot of it comes from CIA reports, German intelligence and UN investigations. How can anyone claim this to be propaganda when it comes from the West itself accusing itself of covering up these crimes?

Talk about people being in denial, this is a perfect example but it's not surprising one bit.

This organ trafficing is no news. Everyone already knew albanians are guilty of this horrific crime. However, most countries decided to turn a blind eye to these horrible crimes. I guess the pressure to bring this up to the surface was just to great to ignore it forever.

Dear Adrian,
You can understand Serbian feelings when considering that Kosovo Albanian leaders were portrayed as people with high moral values fighting for freedom. It is some comfort that a tiny portion of their activities started to resurface. Obviously, this matter needs to be thoroughly investigated with caveat that it will not be easy to collect evidence against Mr Thaci, particularly as the image of countries supporting him is also at stake. Nevertheless, it is in everybody's interest that people who would do such things are not free on streets.

Hashim Thaci's pre-war nickname was SNAKE. How come he didn't get a nickname....something like "yogi bear" or similar......
I wonder why he never visited Switzerland as PM of Kosovo?! He is wanted there for drug trafficking,.....interesting choice for PM. But I guess USA had no other choice but him.....he controlled (and his gang) a lot of Kosovo.
Time to pay, maybe?

--Marty admits that he has no evidence...
(Der Schweizer, 16 December 2010 22:01) --

Vielen dank, Herr Schweizer, sei kein fremde hier... mein deutsch ist nicht ausgezeichnet, but you can catch my drift.

Yes, i am back. oh my god, how could i stay away from one of the greatest hate fests, i mean fascinating discussion boards on the web? even with my oh-so-busy schedule in Prist.... i mean frisco.

Really -- why would anyone in their right mind think it a put-down to place you (me) in the balkans? hello... i wish, send me a fu---ing ticket. is it 'sposed to be a put-down if i were in pristina w/ my "albanian brothers-and sisters"? that would only work if we were all ultra racist albanian-haters, instead of just some.

the truth is i might end up living in pristina one day, if my VERY determined young frnd ever makes it into the govt there. and i don't put it past him, he is very bright, ambitious and determined. and if and when he does, i will (god willing) be the American advisor. that's our bargain, and we shall see.

but for anyone who reads what i write (instead of making things up, full of their lies and personal attacks), they would know that my balkan home is my beloved sarajevo. where i may also reside one day, with any luck, in the coming decades... teach english, hang out at cafes, promote some progressive groups, and generally enjoy life. from my lips to god's ears... so next time, pls say "roberto from Saraj..." and maybe one day it will come true :)

truth be told, we have one more day of work for the year (x-mas vacation) and yes, i am in a VERY good, upbeat mood.

dick marty's allegations: definitely no joke. ever. actually, i'm the one who is always writing about war crimes, war criminals, how ALL war crimes need to be investigated, how members of all ethnicities have been victims... has mladic been turned over to the hague yet? has the mass gravesite in the south been exhumed while i was blinking? yes? No?? i guess it all skipped that nice mr marty's attention.

yes, i have (quickly) looked over the report. i won't say "thanks" but i used the link mike sent, so i should at least acknowledge that. the accusations are mainly not new, perhaps some aspects? they have to be investigated, one way or another.

some thoughts about marty's report:

-- there is a vague admission of serbia's war crimes, but it's treated like ancient history (yeah, yeah, we've heard all about it but it's all been dealt with..) so in that way, marty succeeds in marginalizing the war crimes ag. the albanians, to say nothing of the crimes ag. croatians and bosnians (and "non-loyal" serbs as well.) but then he can always say, "i mentioned it!"

-- the "clans". marty goes on and on (and on) about albanian clan society, how they cover for one another, stick together, conspire together... now most of us would agree that traditional albanian society is very patriarchal and based on clans -- that is their history. with all of its richness and also potential down points. we could have some very interesting discussions about it, say, from a feminist perspective...

but no, not marty -- for marty, it is like one big disease. i am saying that he is critiquing albanian society, and blasting it. is that even appropriate? is it bizarre? is it racist? bigoted? xenophobic? reactionary? i think we are seeing some not-so-pretty sides of europa europa, as we did, with a vengeance, throughout the early 40's... was that really "neutral" switzerland... hmm. there are a whole lot of my people that would dispute this "neutral" pretense.

As for thaci, i have never been a major Thaci booster. my albanian friends do not like him, to put it mildly. and if there is adequate evidence that HE (and/or some of his associates)are guilty of war-crimes, then yes, they should face trial, either in the Hague, in pristina, or both.

i'm just so amazed that our serbian nationalist posters and their "nice" allies suddenly believe in the Hague and in telling the truth about the missing.

Ciao!

Robert-o
frisco

For some reason the link didn't transfer. Here's the Guardian piece:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/15/balkans-report-blairs-liberal-intervention

But in case you didn't read, Jeremic already said something yesterday about Thaci's career basically being over, while Vekaric calls this a "great victory for Serbia". Rada Trajkovic basically said she wouldn't touch Hash with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. And Ivanovic can basically snort out a "see, I told you so". If you're wondering where the chorus of words from Kostunica, Nikolic, and the rest are, I guess I'm curious as well, but at this point there doesn't seem to be a need to say anything since it's being widely reported.

My guess is that Belgrade has decided to wait, or has been told to wait, before taking this to the UNSC. Worry not. It will get there. This is a lot more damning for Pristina than a severed phone line.
(Mike, 16 December 2010 21:15)

-- Mike you're trying to justify the inexcusable. All you have are 3 one word salads; that don't even attempt to tackle this issue. The silence of the Serb leadership over this issue is quite disturbing even as an Albanian. This is not normal Serb behavior; neither normal Russian behavior. This wait doesn't seem to be a decision made by Belgrade. Belgrade doesn't wait. Not when it is about capitalizing on moral and political arsenal. This is too much of a moral and political arsenal for Belgrade to simply let it remain in the arena of hearsay and allegations. Unless that's all there is to it; just hearsay, and allegations. In which case a real investigation would destroy Belgrade's political gains from these allegations. Either that or something else is going on behind the scenes and Belgrade and Moscow is being made an offer they can't refuse. Their silence and total passivity seems to be up for sale. We will have to wait and see. So far though the behavior of Serbia, and Russia and their nonchalant passivity is disturbing, weird and a very abnormal behavior for both of these countries. If one Albanian flag in Presheva causes a hurricane of reactions from Belgrade; the total calm and lack of political action on this issue is quite odd.

racist? bigoted? xenophobic? reactionary?
Robert-o
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 05:38)

1) Yes, Roberto - that what all your posts are. Bigoted. Xenophobic. Reactionary.
They aren't "racist" because Serbs and Albanians are the same race. And Serbs, Bosnians, Croatians, Montenegrins are the same people and same language.

2) Congratulation to create an other Mladic thing out of Dick Marty news. You pulled what is not easy to pull. I believe, you are a maniac.

3) I am not sure, you can fit into Bosnia or Kosovo. In the fact, I am not sure you can fit anywhere in the "East Europe". The life in Bosnia or Kosovo is very different than going from one cafe to an other, but sure, if you have some savings you can retire there. Given the complete lack of the language command, and being completely oblivious to certain aspects of life in East Europe probably Costa Rica or Arizona would fit you better. For unprepared Americans East European retirement can turn into hell on Earth. But anyone can dream.

4) You are the one responsible for the good half of B92 teasing you. We were tortured with your comments for years. Now it came out. Not your opinion is what caused the frustration but the way you say and the fact you just can't say "ooops, I was wrong". See the "Albanian" elbows. This is the best way to become a whip boy.

Thanks for the Mail Online link, Kate. There are so many headlines coming out about the Albanians from Kosovo recently, that I am starting a notebook with clippings of all the articles. I will then make copies, and send them to all the governments in Europe and the US, so they too can enjoy all these press clippings about their "Newborn" project. They can also get to know the leadership in Pristina a little better.

Why don’t they arrest Thaci then? He’s not hiding (unlike some other monster) in army barracks or government buildings in Belgrade or in the Drenica forests. He’s in politics for quite sometime now. He was prime minister for three years and he’ll be Kosovo’s prime minister again.
What’s going on is a last wave of Serbian anti- Albanian propaganda backed by Russia and their lobbies in certain west European countries. Nothing new here. Typical anti-Albanian propaganda. Every time there is an important event in Albanian areas something like this will surface. Albania just entered a new era of democracy with the visa liberalization that started only the 15th of December, and Kosovo just held the first election since the Independence. What do you say? Just a coincidence? Well, a lot of coincidences in my opinion. The main goal of this propaganda is to discredit the Albanian fight for freedom and make Mladic & Co look like angels when compared to these “bloodthirsty monsters” Albanians. Let me ask you this: Who’s responsible for the hundreds of thousands of Croat, Bosnian and Albanian civilians killed during the 90s?
Thaci will sue this Dick and will win the case. That’s all, don’t get too exited guys.
Serbia just fired the last bullet

The report was supposed to be made public in late June of this year. 6 moths ago. Check the BBC sources. Why it was postponed, I supposed that Americans did not like it.

Res1244 implicitly recognizes Serb sovereinty over KiM which implies the presence of our military & intelligence. It is the Kumanovo Treaty that prevents the but hey, as long as Albanians naively believe that Res1244 guarantees otherwise, it makes implementing any aspect of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence' plan and then turning on Hash much much easier

"I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:" (kate)

-- You oughta check this one out from the Guardian. Seems the Western press is not ignoring the charges this time, nor is it giving the usual lip service to the KLA as a "freedom fighting" movement.

Cheers to the adoption of this report. And long-overdue cheers to the truth finally emerging about ghoulish figures as Thaci and his criminal KLA organization that was Eliza Doolittled into champions of multiethnic democracy.

You know what's scary? Not one Serb leader took it upon himself to urgently request a UN meeting. Two days have already passed and not one word has been said on this. Not one Russian leader took it upon himself to request an urgent UNSC meeting on this. Kosunica, Jeremic, Tadic, Nikolic have all been awfully quiet. Ivanovic and Bogdanovic have been scarily silent on this. None of them have requested concrete urgent actions. Notice their complacency on inaction. This seems very coordinated especially since they're used to throw words such as pyromanics and terrorist when nothing is going on. They're being eerily silent when something of this magnitude has happened. 2 days have already passed. This silence is quite scary. But they all b..tch and moan for months all over the world for a telephone line. There is something that is quite strange in all of this. Notice the lack of actions from those who are making the allegations. None of them show any urgency or forcefulness in requesting concrete actions through international investigative bodies. Notice the reluctance and quite frankly the will to no be urgent and forceful in requesting an international investigation through proper international channels; but rather choose to be inactive and silent. Something seems to be going behind closed doors. The Serbs are being unusually quiet and keeping silent, especially when considering the phone issues, while the Russians are uncharacteristically passive. The West is calling for proofs. Something seem not to be right. This is not normal behavior from the Serbs or the Ruskies. What is it this time that is making them remain quiet and inactive over an issue which you would thing a little action would give them a lot of moral and political arsenal? Why are they uncharacteristically not taking advantage of this?

Look at all the albanians crying...whats wrong? is the TRUTH COMING OUT? cant handle it? This is just the start of truth that happened in Kosovo, and not like the propaganda that albanians payed CNN in 98-99.

@The Swiss
You have forgotten one link:
http://www.20min.ch/news/ausland/story/-Ich-musste-Fakten-sammeln--keine-Beweise--23694137
Marty admits that he has no evidence...

I'm waiting for any evidence in connection to Marty's report. Before that I don't choose my side about what is and what isn't the truth.
(Olli, 16 December 2010 14:09)

Unfortunatelly, I am afraid that whole evidence has been destroyed in Albania. Only what is left are people who survived and they will be eliminated very soon. Albanian authorites never cooperated to start the investigation. Sali Berisha destroyed all evidence.

In your refence to Ahtisaari, he is the man of the US. He is not man of principles, he just does what he is told to do, typical diplomat.

Some Finnish investigators were involved in investigating these crimes, you can find their names here(the link does not refer to organ harvesting case, but gives information about investigators names)
http://www.ictytranscripts.org/TrialTranscripts/HTML/transe84/07-06-25-ED.html

You can ask them why they did not start criminal investigation. At least I saw name of one of them on the paper when they received material from Jose Pablo Baraybar. All three of them were working in that time for International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia as investigators. One of them is working now for EULEX.

"he was mandated by the COE was to find facts, which he deed without any doubts, but not to look for the final evidences"

-- In what kind of word is something qualified as a fact when there's no evidence? What the hell are you talking about Swiss? There are opinions, rumors, and then there are facts. The difference being that you do not need evidence for opinions and rumors but you do need evidence for facts. That is why a fact is not disputable. Because there is evidence that backs it up. That is why there are many different opinions, because with a lack of evidence anyone can make opinions up, but a fact is absolutist in nature. It either exists or it doesn't depending on whether there is evidence. A simple analogy would be you saying the earth is flat is a fact even though you have no evidence for it. You seem to be very confused about what constitutes a fact. It is also clear you have no science background. Your claim that a fact does not require evidence is ridiculous at best from a scientific point of view.

Thank's to wikkileak to make the world leaders think that the truth can't be hidden....

Thanks Kate and Mike for those informative links.

Here is another one with many videos -> http://rt.com/news/kosovo-pm-organized-crime/

@Igel-Spiegel @the one and only Swiss in the world
If you run an investigation you are not obliged to deliver evidence? That is for sure an interesting approach the former state attorney is taking... Must have made him very popular at court... What are facts without proof? Because he says so makes it a fact?

so what you said is a lie. i very much care about all the victims,esp.ly of the war crimes. like my frnd zoran in sarajevo, still suffering the effects of a hole in his lung fr yr pals of the milosevic/karadzic/; mladic crowd. he's serb. one of many victims. of 1000s and 1000s.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 17:59)

Attention, please. The hard-line "Stormfront" guys, skinheads and other animals usually start their tirades with something like:

"what you said is a lie.I have friends in Tel-Aviv" (and so on). Such phrases should be a warning: the "my Israeli friends" litany is usually a prelude to some nasty anti-Semitic stuff.

This time it wasn't any different. Just the national origin was exchanged. Bigotry stays.

---

you need to redirect yr anger to the proponents and executers of ethnic cleansing, many (not all) of whom continue to reside in belgrade. hello!

you need to demand the opening of the mass graves, hello!

you need to demand the arrest and extradition of mladic!

you need to demand the uncovering of the cover up of the trepca and mackatica mass burnings.

you need to demand the real prosecution of war criminals in belgrade, not just the ones insisted on by natasa.

so pls, take a long look into YOUR mirror,before responding to me.

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 17:59)

Yes, "hello" indeed - you were expected to answer... the yellow house. Not a single Serb did fall so low to call places of horror you mentioned "baloney". Baloney = "bullsh*t", just a different word. And pretty unlucky, too - because an other word for "Baloney" is MORTadella.

Here I mentioned it already - right on the top, towards the end of the message. There was no response, not even "sorry, it was a misunderstanding".

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67219

And you wonder, your words achieve nothing, but rejection.

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 17 December 2010 17:59)

hey foggy frisco, Mrs Del Ponte is going to retire soon from her post in Argentina, she is planing to come back "I'll be back" to the scene to finish what she was hindered to. She looking for THE inspector Sniff, or Maigret type and I thought that you would fit the bill, she also like mirrors very much, so can I send her your CV?
By pls, remember the soil gets frozen very rapidly these days, so quickly get your head out of the sand before it's too late
Thank you

Foggy Frisco fan's club

"They're being eerily silent when something of this magnitude has happened. 2 days have already passed. This silence is quite scary." (johny)

-- Give it time johny. The CoE just adopted the report this afternoon. With the amount of press it's already received, Jeremic doesn't have to shout for attention like he normally does. But in case you didn't read, Jeremic already said something yesterday about Thaci's career basically being over, while Vekaric calls this a "great victory for Serbia". Rada Trajkovic basically said she wouldn't touch Hash with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. And Ivanovic can basically snort out a "see, I told you so". If you're wondering where the chorus of words from Kostunica, Nikolic, and the rest are, I guess I'm curious as well, but at this point there doesn't seem to be a need to say anything since it's being widely reported.

My guess is that Belgrade has decided to wait, or has been told to wait, before taking this to the UNSC. Worry not. It will get there. This is a lot more damning for Pristina than a severed phone line.

Recipients include Canadians, Germans and Israelis. ...

@ KARAMUSTAFA,

Your question (about passive Finnish investigators) is valid, and the possible answer a worrying one. I'll work on your question.

What worries me equally much this very moment is the mental state of most of Albanians commenting here. They are closing to a hysterical condition.

If nothing else, it really seems like the Big Players are tired with Thaci.

(can you notice how I'm keeping my cool... Before I declined the offer the army committee told me I'm top officer material and a glorious future was ahead for me... did this slip off-topic?)

This man needs to be protected.

I'm really not sure what is the point in relativising and qualifying every piece of news that appears.

I'm not sure the victims of the organ trade, the victims of Thaci whether Serb or Albanian or Roma (it is known that Albanians and Roma were beaten or even killed for alleged collaboration with Jugoslav authorities) would want to hear that somebody else's suffering is worse than theirs.

Sometimes the decent thing to do is to just give victims their due, regardless whether it interferes with one's political stance. Its called being a decent human being.

Sometimes, all that is needed is a statement on the subject in hand and not a lecture to others.

Its a real pity...

I can't believe that mainstream British media was actually allowed to publish an article like this:
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:26)

Certainly British media does not need anybody’s permission to do that


I hope that someone publishes the picture of Blair and Albright with their 'mates' and the clip of Kouchner ridiculing the 'yellow house'. These people are all criminals and were complicit in the crimes.
(kate, 16 December 2010 10:40)

What crimes specifically ?


The truth about one of the greatest war crimes of the last half century (the bombing of YU in 1999) is finally coming out.
(Niall O'Doherty, 16 December 2010 10:55)

Who decided that the bombing of YU in 1999 was a war crime ? Do you have any reference from the humanitarian international law ? And who committed that crime ?


I say negotiate with Hash, give him immunity and after we've secured KiM, then we take back the immunity and do Thaci the same way the West did Karadzic
(highduke, 16 December 2010 13:15)

What did Russia, the West and the whole international community do to Karadzic ?


The report was supposed to be made public in late June of this year. 6 moths ago. Check the BBC sources. Why it was postponed, I supposed that Americans did not like it.
(European, 16 December 2010 13:41)

Or because evidence was not being found… who knows ? We can speculate anything we want.


Kosovo-USA, a military takeover ISN'T out of the question, it's guaranteed by Res1244 which is the foundation of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence plan' that Hash & co. will have to accept.
(highduke, 16 December 2010 14:57)

Yes, takeover with an “agreed” number of Serb personnel as 1244 says. Again, it says, “agreed”. For example, the agreed number may be 0 :), or to satisfy your dreams, let’s say 1 if that makes you flying higher from happiness :)


Resolution 1244 does not give any possiblilty to a Serbian military takeover of Kosovo, have you even read it?
(a New Day, 16 December 2010 15:42)

Wait, that is the famous Serbian version of the resolution that has this and a lot of other things that nobody has seen in the original English and French versions :)


Res1244 implicitly recognizes Serb sovereinty over KiM which implies the presence of our military & intelligence. It is the Kumanovo Treaty that prevents the but hey, as long as Albanians naively believe that Res1244 guarantees otherwise, it makes implementing any aspect of the 'more than autonomy, less than independence' plan and then turning on Hash much much easier
(highduke, 16 December 2010 16:53)

I could not see the above in 1244 or the documents included by reference therein (of course, I’m referring to the English/French version, not the Serbian one). In any case, let’s assume that you are correct. That does not change the fact that Kosovo declared independence in accordance with 1244.