EU urges Marty to come forward with evidence

Clowns!! All of you are clowns if you think that Dick Marty would fabricate or publish hearsay! He has an impeccable reputation as an investigator and has many connections to dig up evidence. Do you think the secret prisons that he uncovered was a made up fairly tale? No, in fact he nailed the most powerful country right in the heart with that. Do you think he is making this up? Not Dick Marty! He is not an anti-Serbite like the rest of the pompous poofda's from the EU. But, he is not pro-Serb either. Just fair and impartial. Finally, the self-pity and self-righteous attitudes of you Albanian descendents of Zues and the mighty Illyrians can stop. Take it for what you are, a bunch of communist opprotunistic thugs who were forced to live in a backwards society and forced to adapt. In your case, by any means necessary. Your barbaric behavior ethnically cleansed the Serbs from 1974 onwards...and finally provoking Slobo into taking drastic measures against you...you have just been exposed to the rest of the world. Those of us in the Balkans already know who you were. The jig is finally up!

“These claims are taken very seriously. If concrete evidence exists, we urge Dick Marty to submit them to relevant authorities,” she said at a press conference.

I am glad EU is putting marty on the spot. I wonder where he is going to find the evidence. Ops, maybe Ivica Dacic can fabricate some paperwork.
I say, good luck to Marty with evidence.

In some western capitals they will be cursing the fact that this investigation was allowed to happen.
(bganon, 15 December 2010 17:54)

right on the spot bganon, it reminds me the hidden prisons affairs, how they tried to put it under the carpet, putting him sticks during his investigation. He took him 5 years to finish his job with the result we know today... They most probably forgot how stubborn he is....

This report was prepared in Belgrade or at least in Belgrade style..... No evidence just hearsay.. Dick Marty has no proof otherwise he would have said here here and there. Just we heard and we suspect and we cant confirm. Meanwhile I can confirm 12 000 kosovars that are still missing from Serbian attrocities in Kosovo

This puts the EU in a very difficult position. Its no surprise that they are calling for evidence to be given to them publically.

However, think about it.. Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.

This the EU's way of playing for time and not comitting itself to anything. At the same time it implies that the EU position is a slightly different one from that of the head of its investigative team.

That is a small way to calm the political turbulance going on in Pristina at the moment.

In the meantime I expect the EU high command will be contacting member states for instructions on how to deal with this. And on how to deal with the fall out when Marty gives a press conference tomorrow...

In some western capitals they will be cursing the fact that this investigation was allowed to happen.

EU and just about everyone has been waiting for evidence for the last 2 years. Not only that but many of us have urged the state of Serbia for the last 2 years to request from the UN an international investigation led by professionals, instead of asking for phone lines. That has never happened and Serbia refuses to ask for it.

This is a bad calculation. With stories such as this Serbia aims to weaken the position of the West and Kosova side in the upcoming talks. This calculation is not well thought as it may simply result in these talks not being held. Especially since there has been no proof behind the rumors.

''“These claims are taken very seriously. If concrete evidence exists, we urge Dick Marty to submit them to relevant authorities,” she said at a press conference. ''

Mrs kocajoncic...i doubt Dick Martin will ever respond to your urge ... Dick Martin will probably respond that absence of evidenece is not the evidence of absence...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuzxjwXVXE

"EU urges CoE investigator Dick Marty to present the evidence on which he wrote the report linking Hashim Thaci to a crime ring to the relevant organs."

Absolutely! Dick Martin can not be allowed to abuse with the authority given to him. The evidence should be presented to Court and then we will see the TRUTH. Dick Martin has been know in advance about his stance against Kosovo independence.

HAHAHAHA, you know this report is true when cnn and the rest of the lapdog, american media starts denying it. Marty and Assange should share next year's nobel peace prize.

FABRICATION FABRICATION && more FABRICATION.

I recall belgrade saying they had 100+ people missing and about half a dozen of other nationalities...then those countries came out saying that none of their citizens was missing.

Come on liar, bring on your phony evidence. When you fall through I can't wait for you to be tried for defamation.

"However, think about it.. Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.However, think about it.. Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.

At the same time it implies that the EU position is a slightly different one from that of the head of its investigative team.



(bganon, 15 December 2010 17:54) "

It implies they don't trust his conclusions, and want to demonstrate this in light of all the excited attempts to treat accusations as proof.

Agim, it's good to hear that you are wishing Dick Marti good luck in presenting his case and showing the evidence he has collected. I am sure that all Albanians would like their leaders to be honest and clean, and not someone who could actually take vital organs from kidnapped ordinary citizens. The thought of someone being able to do that is beyond human comprehension. Again, good to see you supporting Marti, which ever way it goes.

(bganon, 15 December 2010 17:54)

Interesting interpretation. Let's make another one. If Marty had the evidence, wouldn't he have given it to them before all this started? Prepared them? Because this call means that they have not seen any evidence yet. The call for evidence is public, not the evidence itself. Evidence, even if not public for reasons of witness protection etc, must be produced by Marty. These are very serious allegations that must be proven beyond any doubt.

Fabrications - Please, you talk about fabrications - where are your 100,000 dead Albanians buried in the Pristina soccer fields. You do know something about FABRICATIONS!!

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FABRICATION FABRICATION && more FABRICATION.

I recall belgrade saying they had 100+ people missing and about half a dozen of other nationalities...then those countries came out saying that none of their citizens was missing.

Come on liar, bring on your phony evidence. When you fall through I can't wait for you to be tried for defamation.
(KOSO, 15 December 2010 19:43)

"EU urges Marty to come forward with evidence"

the problem is that no evidence exists only a report from dick marty exists so dick marty and serbia can do nothing and nothing will change.

"In some western capitals they will be cursing the fact that this investigation was allowed to happen." (bganon)

-- Considering the report says "What is particularly confounding is that all of the international community in Kosovo – from the Governments of the United States and other allied Western powers, to the EU-backed justice authorities – undoubtedly possess the same, overwhelming documentation of the full extent of the Drenica Group’s crimes, but none seems prepared to react in the face of such a situation and to hold the perpetrators to account."

I'm not so much troubled by evidence of the KLA that many of us suspected as I am that rumors of the apparent involvement, or at the very least knowledge, of many Western countries in either supporting these acts or working as hard as possible to cover up the evidence. No wonder my country has been pushing for Kosovo's credibility with almost careless abandon.

KU Its my understanding that Marty was mandated to conduct an investigation. He did so and the report will be published. I may be wrong, but I don't believe that it was his brief to provide evidence.

It may be that he will forward some evidence to relevant institutions we will have to see. But the irony in all of this is that most people who are calling for evidence obviously didn't read the report. One of the main points the report makes is that witnesses are unwilling to testify and what people are willing to admit behind closed doors on condition of it going no further and what they are willing to admit in public are 2 different things.

I'm been around, I have K Albanian friends. I don't remain in some stone castle in Belgrade.

Amer what you call 'accusations' is actually a report commissioned by the EU with Marty as the Head of its investigative team. They didn't ask him for proof, they asked him to consider the evidence and publish a report.

Now, if you dispute the findings of the report, that is fine, but if you have read it I don't see how you can see it as 'accusations'. It is a lot more than that.

And as far as the report is concerend we shall see what the Council of Europe says tomorrow. If it is adopted then it will be debated in the European Parliament in January.

I'm been around, I have K Albanian friends. I don't remain in some stone castle in Belgrade.

(bganon, 16 December 2010)

Do you use this excuse in Serbia as the equivalent of "I have black friends" used by racits or "I ave gay friends" used by homophobes? Just asking.

''You ALbanians will have to find a better, more honest leader.''

Kurti? And an Albanian country of 39 656 km2 and 4.7 million habitants...? Serbs are gonna miss Thaci...

Kurti? And an Albanian country of 39 656 km2 and 4.7 million habitants...? Serbs are gonna miss Thaci...
(iliri, 16 December 2010)

Amen brother...oh wait I'm Albanian InshAllah ;)

On Thursday we will see what he has. Recall that this was leaked early by the Guardian. Instead of strongly proclaiming Thacis innocence, wait for the meeting TOMORROW. What part of Thursday don't you understand? We will see Thursday what Marty has to offer. I will say, though, that he must have something to be bringing this forward. I think Thaci's reputation is done. Tadic is playing nice with him but even if any of this is true, Thaci is done. You ALbanians will have to find a better, more honest leader.

"Do you think the secret prisons that he uncovered was a made up fairly tale? No, in fact he nailed the most powerful country right in the heart with that.

(John, 15 December 2010 20:43) "

The existence of the prisons was revealed by a Washington Post reporter - she did not directly name the countries where the prisons were located, but the story gave some pretty broad hints.

I was living in Prague at the time, thoroughly disgusted with the behavior of the US administration and the apparent helplessness of the press to do any thing about it, when this story (by Dana Priest, who got a Pulitzer for it) appeared. A lot of people were proud of the country for the first time in a long time when WaPo came out with the information. (Others thought it was akin to treason, of course.)

Fabrications - Please, you talk about fabrications - where are your 100,000 dead Albanians buried in the Pristina soccer fields. You do know something about FABRICATIONS!!

I never said 100k, I don't remember anyone saying that many had died from the war. Around 10,000 Kosovars were killed and another 2-3k are missing

"Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.
bganon"

- What's wrong with asking publicly for evidence? All Marty has to do is present his evidence. Let's see what evidence comes forth!

Zoti,

I respect all religions, after all relgion is the culture of elevated being: human beings, amen is also used in all religions of the books, but i don't think Allha or Jesus will help us on this, Zoti [God] gave human beings a outsanding body, and an oustanding mind, and gave us will...still allah is arab god, jesus is jewish god, let the semites fight for their gods, we are ALbanians, above all, we have our own history, our own language and our own songs and myths that bond us, no one will ever be willing to rescue Albania other than Albanians, God placed us on these cliffs for a reason (wether we are crisitans, muslims or even for atheists, let say evolution placed us on these cliffs), once we give up these cliffs, we gave up God's will as well...

I respect all religions, after all religion is the culture of elevated being: human beings, amen is also used in all religions of the books, but i don't think Allah or Jesus will help us on this
(iliri, 16 December 2010)

Ilir my comment was made in jest since the Serbs insist that I have a Moslem identity.

As a matter of fact I'm an atheist, a product of Communist Albania, and as such have an aversion towards religion in general. Most of my friends and cricle, of Bektashi background, think the same way.

This report was prepared in Belgrade or at least in Belgrade style..... No evidence just hearsay.. Dick Marty has no proof otherwise he would have said here here and there. Just we heard and we suspect and we cant confirm. Meanwhile I can confirm 12 000 kosovars that are still missing from Serbian attrocities in Kosovo

“These claims are taken very seriously. If concrete evidence exists, we urge Dick Marty to submit them to relevant authorities,” she said at a press conference.

I am glad EU is putting marty on the spot. I wonder where he is going to find the evidence. Ops, maybe Ivica Dacic can fabricate some paperwork.
I say, good luck to Marty with evidence.

''“These claims are taken very seriously. If concrete evidence exists, we urge Dick Marty to submit them to relevant authorities,” she said at a press conference. ''

Mrs kocajoncic...i doubt Dick Martin will ever respond to your urge ... Dick Martin will probably respond that absence of evidenece is not the evidence of absence...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuzxjwXVXE

FABRICATION FABRICATION && more FABRICATION.

I recall belgrade saying they had 100+ people missing and about half a dozen of other nationalities...then those countries came out saying that none of their citizens was missing.

Come on liar, bring on your phony evidence. When you fall through I can't wait for you to be tried for defamation.

EU and just about everyone has been waiting for evidence for the last 2 years. Not only that but many of us have urged the state of Serbia for the last 2 years to request from the UN an international investigation led by professionals, instead of asking for phone lines. That has never happened and Serbia refuses to ask for it.

This is a bad calculation. With stories such as this Serbia aims to weaken the position of the West and Kosova side in the upcoming talks. This calculation is not well thought as it may simply result in these talks not being held. Especially since there has been no proof behind the rumors.

"EU urges CoE investigator Dick Marty to present the evidence on which he wrote the report linking Hashim Thaci to a crime ring to the relevant organs."

Absolutely! Dick Martin can not be allowed to abuse with the authority given to him. The evidence should be presented to Court and then we will see the TRUTH. Dick Martin has been know in advance about his stance against Kosovo independence.

Clowns!! All of you are clowns if you think that Dick Marty would fabricate or publish hearsay! He has an impeccable reputation as an investigator and has many connections to dig up evidence. Do you think the secret prisons that he uncovered was a made up fairly tale? No, in fact he nailed the most powerful country right in the heart with that. Do you think he is making this up? Not Dick Marty! He is not an anti-Serbite like the rest of the pompous poofda's from the EU. But, he is not pro-Serb either. Just fair and impartial. Finally, the self-pity and self-righteous attitudes of you Albanian descendents of Zues and the mighty Illyrians can stop. Take it for what you are, a bunch of communist opprotunistic thugs who were forced to live in a backwards society and forced to adapt. In your case, by any means necessary. Your barbaric behavior ethnically cleansed the Serbs from 1974 onwards...and finally provoking Slobo into taking drastic measures against you...you have just been exposed to the rest of the world. Those of us in the Balkans already know who you were. The jig is finally up!

"EU urges Marty to come forward with evidence"

the problem is that no evidence exists only a report from dick marty exists so dick marty and serbia can do nothing and nothing will change.

"However, think about it.. Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.However, think about it.. Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.

At the same time it implies that the EU position is a slightly different one from that of the head of its investigative team.



(bganon, 15 December 2010 17:54) "

It implies they don't trust his conclusions, and want to demonstrate this in light of all the excited attempts to treat accusations as proof.

(bganon, 15 December 2010 17:54)

Interesting interpretation. Let's make another one. If Marty had the evidence, wouldn't he have given it to them before all this started? Prepared them? Because this call means that they have not seen any evidence yet. The call for evidence is public, not the evidence itself. Evidence, even if not public for reasons of witness protection etc, must be produced by Marty. These are very serious allegations that must be proven beyond any doubt.

This puts the EU in a very difficult position. Its no surprise that they are calling for evidence to be given to them publically.

However, think about it.. Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.

This the EU's way of playing for time and not comitting itself to anything. At the same time it implies that the EU position is a slightly different one from that of the head of its investigative team.

That is a small way to calm the political turbulance going on in Pristina at the moment.

In the meantime I expect the EU high command will be contacting member states for instructions on how to deal with this. And on how to deal with the fall out when Marty gives a press conference tomorrow...

In some western capitals they will be cursing the fact that this investigation was allowed to happen.

HAHAHAHA, you know this report is true when cnn and the rest of the lapdog, american media starts denying it. Marty and Assange should share next year's nobel peace prize.

In some western capitals they will be cursing the fact that this investigation was allowed to happen.
(bganon, 15 December 2010 17:54)

right on the spot bganon, it reminds me the hidden prisons affairs, how they tried to put it under the carpet, putting him sticks during his investigation. He took him 5 years to finish his job with the result we know today... They most probably forgot how stubborn he is....

Fabrications - Please, you talk about fabrications - where are your 100,000 dead Albanians buried in the Pristina soccer fields. You do know something about FABRICATIONS!!

----------------------------------------
FABRICATION FABRICATION && more FABRICATION.

I recall belgrade saying they had 100+ people missing and about half a dozen of other nationalities...then those countries came out saying that none of their citizens was missing.

Come on liar, bring on your phony evidence. When you fall through I can't wait for you to be tried for defamation.
(KOSO, 15 December 2010 19:43)

Agim, it's good to hear that you are wishing Dick Marti good luck in presenting his case and showing the evidence he has collected. I am sure that all Albanians would like their leaders to be honest and clean, and not someone who could actually take vital organs from kidnapped ordinary citizens. The thought of someone being able to do that is beyond human comprehension. Again, good to see you supporting Marti, which ever way it goes.

"In some western capitals they will be cursing the fact that this investigation was allowed to happen." (bganon)

-- Considering the report says "What is particularly confounding is that all of the international community in Kosovo – from the Governments of the United States and other allied Western powers, to the EU-backed justice authorities – undoubtedly possess the same, overwhelming documentation of the full extent of the Drenica Group’s crimes, but none seems prepared to react in the face of such a situation and to hold the perpetrators to account."

I'm not so much troubled by evidence of the KLA that many of us suspected as I am that rumors of the apparent involvement, or at the very least knowledge, of many Western countries in either supporting these acts or working as hard as possible to cover up the evidence. No wonder my country has been pushing for Kosovo's credibility with almost careless abandon.

Fabrications - Please, you talk about fabrications - where are your 100,000 dead Albanians buried in the Pristina soccer fields. You do know something about FABRICATIONS!!

I never said 100k, I don't remember anyone saying that many had died from the war. Around 10,000 Kosovars were killed and another 2-3k are missing

On Thursday we will see what he has. Recall that this was leaked early by the Guardian. Instead of strongly proclaiming Thacis innocence, wait for the meeting TOMORROW. What part of Thursday don't you understand? We will see Thursday what Marty has to offer. I will say, though, that he must have something to be bringing this forward. I think Thaci's reputation is done. Tadic is playing nice with him but even if any of this is true, Thaci is done. You ALbanians will have to find a better, more honest leader.

"Its a charade. Why? Because if they wanted evidence they would not make a public annoucment, they would ask Marty using internal channels, like any organisation would.
bganon"

- What's wrong with asking publicly for evidence? All Marty has to do is present his evidence. Let's see what evidence comes forth!

"Do you think the secret prisons that he uncovered was a made up fairly tale? No, in fact he nailed the most powerful country right in the heart with that.

(John, 15 December 2010 20:43) "

The existence of the prisons was revealed by a Washington Post reporter - she did not directly name the countries where the prisons were located, but the story gave some pretty broad hints.

I was living in Prague at the time, thoroughly disgusted with the behavior of the US administration and the apparent helplessness of the press to do any thing about it, when this story (by Dana Priest, who got a Pulitzer for it) appeared. A lot of people were proud of the country for the first time in a long time when WaPo came out with the information. (Others thought it was akin to treason, of course.)

''You ALbanians will have to find a better, more honest leader.''

Kurti? And an Albanian country of 39 656 km2 and 4.7 million habitants...? Serbs are gonna miss Thaci...

Zoti,

I respect all religions, after all relgion is the culture of elevated being: human beings, amen is also used in all religions of the books, but i don't think Allha or Jesus will help us on this, Zoti [God] gave human beings a outsanding body, and an oustanding mind, and gave us will...still allah is arab god, jesus is jewish god, let the semites fight for their gods, we are ALbanians, above all, we have our own history, our own language and our own songs and myths that bond us, no one will ever be willing to rescue Albania other than Albanians, God placed us on these cliffs for a reason (wether we are crisitans, muslims or even for atheists, let say evolution placed us on these cliffs), once we give up these cliffs, we gave up God's will as well...

Kurti? And an Albanian country of 39 656 km2 and 4.7 million habitants...? Serbs are gonna miss Thaci...
(iliri, 16 December 2010)

Amen brother...oh wait I'm Albanian InshAllah ;)

KU Its my understanding that Marty was mandated to conduct an investigation. He did so and the report will be published. I may be wrong, but I don't believe that it was his brief to provide evidence.

It may be that he will forward some evidence to relevant institutions we will have to see. But the irony in all of this is that most people who are calling for evidence obviously didn't read the report. One of the main points the report makes is that witnesses are unwilling to testify and what people are willing to admit behind closed doors on condition of it going no further and what they are willing to admit in public are 2 different things.

I'm been around, I have K Albanian friends. I don't remain in some stone castle in Belgrade.

Amer what you call 'accusations' is actually a report commissioned by the EU with Marty as the Head of its investigative team. They didn't ask him for proof, they asked him to consider the evidence and publish a report.

Now, if you dispute the findings of the report, that is fine, but if you have read it I don't see how you can see it as 'accusations'. It is a lot more than that.

And as far as the report is concerend we shall see what the Council of Europe says tomorrow. If it is adopted then it will be debated in the European Parliament in January.

I'm been around, I have K Albanian friends. I don't remain in some stone castle in Belgrade.

(bganon, 16 December 2010)

Do you use this excuse in Serbia as the equivalent of "I have black friends" used by racits or "I ave gay friends" used by homophobes? Just asking.

I respect all religions, after all religion is the culture of elevated being: human beings, amen is also used in all religions of the books, but i don't think Allah or Jesus will help us on this
(iliri, 16 December 2010)

Ilir my comment was made in jest since the Serbs insist that I have a Moslem identity.

As a matter of fact I'm an atheist, a product of Communist Albania, and as such have an aversion towards religion in general. Most of my friends and cricle, of Bektashi background, think the same way.