Belgrade sees "two realities" in Kosovo

Long live Kosovo.
Long live Albania.
(PRN, 15 December 2010 11:07)

"Long" will not be so long..

"Belgrade sees "two realities" in Kosovo"

Belgrade sees twenty realities but their vision is shortsighted, and more importantly nobody cares what they see.

Kosovo is independent and internationally recognized, whereas what somebody from Disney Land that remain for the Mikey Mouse, Goofy and the rest to entertain themselves within that theater.

Kosovo was and is Albania and few (measurement at the nano-scale) may think differently or rationally that there is a chance to change it.

Long live Kosovo.
Long live Albania.

prn,
thanks for your point of perspective. If that is the case however, it would seem that the people who think that Kosovo is Albanian is measured on the Pico-Scale (consider 2/3 nations feel that way and 3/4 population is represented by people who feel that way).
EA,
since your sponsors are so powerful they it is telling that you think that their agenda can be stopped by Serbia.
Out of one side of you mouth I hear things like "serbia is weak, they're nothing, they're small fish in the european pond", yet now you say things like "they're so powerful that they can stop recognitions". which is it? too much hash's hash perhaps? seeing colours and lights and magical things are we? Please make sense and be consistent. is serbia strong enough to stop the USA/UK/EU/NATO or aren't they? Is Serbia preventing recognitions, or is it that US/UK/EU/NATO have run out of either patience or bribe money? Could it be true that someone who honks the horn of democracy cannot accept the majority rule of the world? And please keep in minde that even in local municipal elections the voters vote based upon who they like more often than the issues, so naturally the same would be true at an international level.

Kosovo will not exist either as country, but naturally ONLY as province of Albania, along with Nis & Presevo valley, 65% of Macedonia ....Iannina, Ulqini etc
(PRN, 15 December 2010 16:37)

and sandzak, dalmatija, corinth, thrace, korfu, cyprus, anatolia, sicily, malta, tunisia, antarktika, the moon, my neighbors backyard, brooklyn, the rings of saturn, kiribati, inner mongolia, and disneyland.....

"Long" will not be so long..
(ZMAJ, 15 December 2010 15:54)

ZMAJ,

Sometimes I guess people in here are getting confused.

Did you mean Serbia existence?

Kosovo will not exist either as country, but naturally ONLY as province of Albania, along with Nis & Presevo valley, 65% of Macedonia ....Iannina, Ulqini etc

With this kind of polititian the so called negotiation is doomed to fail. As I have said in the past those negotiation were called by Serbia purely to delay futher recognition of Kosovo.

There seem to be screams of exasperation coming from the Serb side. First you have someone form the Serb cabinet calling the Serbs living in the south ignorant; then you have this guy seeing two separate realities for those in the south and the north. The exasperation I believe comes from the realization that the most and under perfect conditions Serbia can get is for a division of Kosova. Hence the latest voices about changing the Serb constitution. Seeing that keeping it all is an option that cannot be achieved ,and even if somehow it is miraculously achieved, it might eventually by a dooming scenario for the state of Serbia itself as it was in the 90's; the Serb constitution in its current form prohibits Serbia from getting at least something out of the situation. It seems that in their exasperation some in Belgrade have come to this realization but have been cornered by their own propaganda machinery and are desperately trying to get out of it without being branded as treacherous. The next couple of years are going to be very interesting for Serbian politics.Good cop bad cop games have already started; and that's how they hope to maintain power. The good and the bad cop being one and the same with the goal to fool the Serb electorate.

And I see one reality becoming true one day: The split of Kosovo, with the North going(back) to Serbia, and the remaining Kosovo will be recognized by Serbia as a country.

Top,

it seems that way but that's not the case. You can't begin partitioning states, that's going to set off pandora's box. If you guys get northern part why can't we have Presheva Valley / Medvegje, W-part of Macedonia, Cameria, etc etc.

(johny, 16 December 2010 19:18)

This is where you Albanians grossly overestimate your worth in this game. Firstly, Preshavo Valley is not even on the drawing board as it was the west that drew up the so called administrative borders not Serbia and they have no interests in Preshavo. Secondly the west is now stuck with this mess in Kosovo – this was supposed to be resolved within 2/3 years of taking “over, but 11 years later it’s still going on and on, to the point that the EU wants to relinquish some of the burden of maintaining Kosovo.

Thirdly, no one will even ask Albania for the time of day let alone “taking over Kosovo or part Macedonia”; with what is Albania going to do this? Albania is a THIRD WORLD country that survives from a little of tourism, some small amount of so called food manufacturing and most recently, until all went bust, real estate plus EU aid.

The west wants to keep RS in Bosnia because what are they going to do with the Bosniaks? They would become a third world region in the middle of Europe, but the west only keeps RS by giving it money and more money. Meanwhile, Serbia is building infrastructure that would overnight integrate RS into its fold – as soon as the Euros stop bye, bye Bosnia.

The EU is not a social security heaven on this earth and it needs Albania and Macedonia like it needs another hole in the head – it needs countries with MONEY not beggars with their hands out. EU Finance Ministers are meeting today to try and resolve this financial crises in their midst with now Italy ready to fall in the same pit. The Ministers want a “fund” to be established to help out EU members that are going bust, but who is going to pay for this fund? Taxpayers are not in the mood of paying more taxes so its all theory as the ship continues to sink.

And I see one reality becoming true one day: The split of Kosovo, with the North going(back) to Serbia, and the remaining Kosovo will be recognized by Serbia as a country.

(Top, 15 December 2010)

I'm afraid you're right. I don't understand for the life of me why do the Albanians insist of keeping the Serbs in the North under their rule.
I think it's best for both people to live separately for a a couple of generations after all the bad blood.

One thing I don't agree though with your scenario Top: If the North goes then Kosova joins Albania. Kosova made a concession when it gave up on joining Albania on the explicit guarantee that its territory is untouchable. Once you carve up the North, all the other options are back on the table and Kurti is already gaining traction on his desire to join Albania.

Now that's a scenario I don't have a problem with.

I'm afraid you're right. I don't understand for the life of me why do the Albanians insist of keeping the Serbs in the North under their rule.
I think it's best for both people to live separately for a a couple of generations after all the bad blood.

One thing I don't agree though with your scenario Top: If the North goes then Kosova joins Albania. Kosova made a concession when it gave up on joining Albania on the explicit guarantee that its territory is untouchable. Once you carve up the North, all the other options are back on the table and Kurti is already gaining traction on his desire to join Albania.

Now that's a scenario I don't have a problem with.
(Zoti, 16 December 2010 16:56)

I don't think this is Albanian's insisting. Quite frankly a lot would be happy with a swap of North for Presheva valley. What it is sitll not figured out by the world powers is how to make sure that it ends there. Meaning how to make sure that Serbia won't ask for RS; or that Albania won't ask for part of Macedonia. Hence the compromise being Kosov under the borders it has now. In the case of Albania it would be quite easy to convince them if Macedonia and Albania are admitted to the EU simultaneously. In the case of Serbia, I am not so sure. Serbs tend to be self destructive with their inat.

Meaning how to make sure that Serbia won't ask for RS; or that Albania won't ask for part of Macedonia. Hence the compromise being Kosov under the borders it has now. In the case of Albania it would be quite easy to convince them if Macedonia and Albania are admitted to the EU simultaneously. In the case of Serbia, I am not so sure. Serbs tend to be self destructive with their inat.
(johny, 16 December 2010)

I think Serbs should get RS with some concessions of course. My understanding is that RS is not representative of the Serb areas pre-war so one wouldn't wanna reward ethnic cleansing. But I may be wrong.

You can't have one rule for one people and a rule for another. This what causes long lasting resentment. If Kosova had never been incorporated into Yugoslavia we wouldn't have had to deal with all these headaches we have today and perhaps Yugoslavia would still be in existence.

However the West wants to rule by "divide and conquer" much like the Ottomans did before them and the Romans before the Ottomans.

"Belgrade sees "two realities" in Kosovo"

Belgrade sees twenty realities but their vision is shortsighted, and more importantly nobody cares what they see.

Kosovo is independent and internationally recognized, whereas what somebody from Disney Land that remain for the Mikey Mouse, Goofy and the rest to entertain themselves within that theater.

Kosovo was and is Albania and few (measurement at the nano-scale) may think differently or rationally that there is a chance to change it.

Long live Kosovo.
Long live Albania.

"Long" will not be so long..
(ZMAJ, 15 December 2010 15:54)

ZMAJ,

Sometimes I guess people in here are getting confused.

Did you mean Serbia existence?

Kosovo will not exist either as country, but naturally ONLY as province of Albania, along with Nis & Presevo valley, 65% of Macedonia ....Iannina, Ulqini etc

With this kind of polititian the so called negotiation is doomed to fail. As I have said in the past those negotiation were called by Serbia purely to delay futher recognition of Kosovo.

Kosovo will not exist either as country, but naturally ONLY as province of Albania, along with Nis & Presevo valley, 65% of Macedonia ....Iannina, Ulqini etc
(PRN, 15 December 2010 16:37)

and sandzak, dalmatija, corinth, thrace, korfu, cyprus, anatolia, sicily, malta, tunisia, antarktika, the moon, my neighbors backyard, brooklyn, the rings of saturn, kiribati, inner mongolia, and disneyland.....

Top,

it seems that way but that's not the case. You can't begin partitioning states, that's going to set off pandora's box. If you guys get northern part why can't we have Presheva Valley / Medvegje, W-part of Macedonia, Cameria, etc etc.

Long live Kosovo.
Long live Albania.
(PRN, 15 December 2010 11:07)

"Long" will not be so long..

prn,
thanks for your point of perspective. If that is the case however, it would seem that the people who think that Kosovo is Albanian is measured on the Pico-Scale (consider 2/3 nations feel that way and 3/4 population is represented by people who feel that way).
EA,
since your sponsors are so powerful they it is telling that you think that their agenda can be stopped by Serbia.
Out of one side of you mouth I hear things like "serbia is weak, they're nothing, they're small fish in the european pond", yet now you say things like "they're so powerful that they can stop recognitions". which is it? too much hash's hash perhaps? seeing colours and lights and magical things are we? Please make sense and be consistent. is serbia strong enough to stop the USA/UK/EU/NATO or aren't they? Is Serbia preventing recognitions, or is it that US/UK/EU/NATO have run out of either patience or bribe money? Could it be true that someone who honks the horn of democracy cannot accept the majority rule of the world? And please keep in minde that even in local municipal elections the voters vote based upon who they like more often than the issues, so naturally the same would be true at an international level.

And I see one reality becoming true one day: The split of Kosovo, with the North going(back) to Serbia, and the remaining Kosovo will be recognized by Serbia as a country.

There seem to be screams of exasperation coming from the Serb side. First you have someone form the Serb cabinet calling the Serbs living in the south ignorant; then you have this guy seeing two separate realities for those in the south and the north. The exasperation I believe comes from the realization that the most and under perfect conditions Serbia can get is for a division of Kosova. Hence the latest voices about changing the Serb constitution. Seeing that keeping it all is an option that cannot be achieved ,and even if somehow it is miraculously achieved, it might eventually by a dooming scenario for the state of Serbia itself as it was in the 90's; the Serb constitution in its current form prohibits Serbia from getting at least something out of the situation. It seems that in their exasperation some in Belgrade have come to this realization but have been cornered by their own propaganda machinery and are desperately trying to get out of it without being branded as treacherous. The next couple of years are going to be very interesting for Serbian politics.Good cop bad cop games have already started; and that's how they hope to maintain power. The good and the bad cop being one and the same with the goal to fool the Serb electorate.

And I see one reality becoming true one day: The split of Kosovo, with the North going(back) to Serbia, and the remaining Kosovo will be recognized by Serbia as a country.

(Top, 15 December 2010)

I'm afraid you're right. I don't understand for the life of me why do the Albanians insist of keeping the Serbs in the North under their rule.
I think it's best for both people to live separately for a a couple of generations after all the bad blood.

One thing I don't agree though with your scenario Top: If the North goes then Kosova joins Albania. Kosova made a concession when it gave up on joining Albania on the explicit guarantee that its territory is untouchable. Once you carve up the North, all the other options are back on the table and Kurti is already gaining traction on his desire to join Albania.

Now that's a scenario I don't have a problem with.

I'm afraid you're right. I don't understand for the life of me why do the Albanians insist of keeping the Serbs in the North under their rule.
I think it's best for both people to live separately for a a couple of generations after all the bad blood.

One thing I don't agree though with your scenario Top: If the North goes then Kosova joins Albania. Kosova made a concession when it gave up on joining Albania on the explicit guarantee that its territory is untouchable. Once you carve up the North, all the other options are back on the table and Kurti is already gaining traction on his desire to join Albania.

Now that's a scenario I don't have a problem with.
(Zoti, 16 December 2010 16:56)

I don't think this is Albanian's insisting. Quite frankly a lot would be happy with a swap of North for Presheva valley. What it is sitll not figured out by the world powers is how to make sure that it ends there. Meaning how to make sure that Serbia won't ask for RS; or that Albania won't ask for part of Macedonia. Hence the compromise being Kosov under the borders it has now. In the case of Albania it would be quite easy to convince them if Macedonia and Albania are admitted to the EU simultaneously. In the case of Serbia, I am not so sure. Serbs tend to be self destructive with their inat.

Meaning how to make sure that Serbia won't ask for RS; or that Albania won't ask for part of Macedonia. Hence the compromise being Kosov under the borders it has now. In the case of Albania it would be quite easy to convince them if Macedonia and Albania are admitted to the EU simultaneously. In the case of Serbia, I am not so sure. Serbs tend to be self destructive with their inat.
(johny, 16 December 2010)

I think Serbs should get RS with some concessions of course. My understanding is that RS is not representative of the Serb areas pre-war so one wouldn't wanna reward ethnic cleansing. But I may be wrong.

You can't have one rule for one people and a rule for another. This what causes long lasting resentment. If Kosova had never been incorporated into Yugoslavia we wouldn't have had to deal with all these headaches we have today and perhaps Yugoslavia would still be in existence.

However the West wants to rule by "divide and conquer" much like the Ottomans did before them and the Romans before the Ottomans.

(johny, 16 December 2010 19:18)

This is where you Albanians grossly overestimate your worth in this game. Firstly, Preshavo Valley is not even on the drawing board as it was the west that drew up the so called administrative borders not Serbia and they have no interests in Preshavo. Secondly the west is now stuck with this mess in Kosovo – this was supposed to be resolved within 2/3 years of taking “over, but 11 years later it’s still going on and on, to the point that the EU wants to relinquish some of the burden of maintaining Kosovo.

Thirdly, no one will even ask Albania for the time of day let alone “taking over Kosovo or part Macedonia”; with what is Albania going to do this? Albania is a THIRD WORLD country that survives from a little of tourism, some small amount of so called food manufacturing and most recently, until all went bust, real estate plus EU aid.

The west wants to keep RS in Bosnia because what are they going to do with the Bosniaks? They would become a third world region in the middle of Europe, but the west only keeps RS by giving it money and more money. Meanwhile, Serbia is building infrastructure that would overnight integrate RS into its fold – as soon as the Euros stop bye, bye Bosnia.

The EU is not a social security heaven on this earth and it needs Albania and Macedonia like it needs another hole in the head – it needs countries with MONEY not beggars with their hands out. EU Finance Ministers are meeting today to try and resolve this financial crises in their midst with now Italy ready to fall in the same pit. The Ministers want a “fund” to be established to help out EU members that are going bust, but who is going to pay for this fund? Taxpayers are not in the mood of paying more taxes so its all theory as the ship continues to sink.