Thaci party victory confirmed

The question that no Albanian wishes to address on this forum how is the life of the average person going to improve now that elections have been held? Hope someone comes up with a decent answer and please none of that democracy and freedom crap either. I’m after real ideas – something that not one of the Albanian political parties had as an election commitment.

Interesting how it's all hush hush about the percentage of Serbians that voted. If it was large then this would be headline news but shhhh, it's all quiet.

The question that no Albanian wishes to address on this forum how is the life of the average person going to improve now that elections have been held? Hope someone comes up with a decent answer and please none of that democracy and freedom crap either. I’m after real ideas – something that not one of the Albanian political parties had as an election commitment.
(sj, 14 December 2010 09:56)
Why should any Albanian feel obligated to give you an answer. Especially to someone who thinks that they would be better off as opressed citizens of 2nd class stature to you in Serbia than forging a future for themselves independent of Serbia.
You say don't give you the freedom and democracy crap, what kind of answer are you looking for, you would just attempt to belittle whatever they say.
But I will give you an answer. They will have a chance at a future of their own making, a chance to look you in the eye and say I am your equal not your subordinate.
Should Kosovo remain stagnate at their present level they are already 100 times better off than their past life in Serbia and what Serbia is willing to offer them in the future. That my friend is what the average Albanian stands to gain from these elections.
You can continue to harbor your prejudices and hatred but it will only gnaw at you from the inside, you can never use it to affect the lives of the Kosovo people again.

Who is Hashim “Snake” Thaci?
http://dalje.com/en-world/who-is-hashim-snake-thaci/125467

"It seems like a terrorist group which had been active during the elections...that explains why serbs could not vote in significant numbers...
(iliri, 14 December 2010 11:45) "

Really????? Quick! Spill the beans -- that's your specialty :) -- and tell us more! Come on, I'm sure you are one of the key members of this group -- otherwise you wouldn't know so much right? So tell us! We promise not to report you to the authorities!

It seems like a terrorist group which had been active during the elections...that explains why serbs could not vote in significant numbers...

the title should ne 'Thaci's fraud and vote stealing confirmed'

Interesting how it's all hush hush about the percentage of Serbians that voted. If it was large then this would be headline news but shhhh, it's all quiet.
(Zoran, 14 December 2010 11:52)

That's right Zoran, it's oh so quiet :)

Pristina, PDK HQ - Hash meets with a fawning PDK Party hack.

PDK Party hack - Gee Boss you showed them with that 94% turnout in your hometown. Great vote management there.

Thaci - I sure did Jethro, however the local graveyard reported a 149% turnout. Now there's dedication for ye, eh!

The King of the organ-harvesters gets to rule another day. Kosova's Albanians must be proud to have such a noble leader. The upcoming negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina should be quite interesting, indeed.

The King of the organ-harvesters gets to rule another day. Kosova's Albanians must be proud to have such a noble leader. The upcoming negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina should be quite interesting, indeed.
(winston, 14 December 2010 17:14)

Not that Serbs fall far behind with their mass grave digging reputation, and pizza shop massacres....

Indeed, the negotiations will be interesting, when you consider that Serbian side has been proved GUILTY AS CHARGED for most of the crimes they have been accused of. Not sure how would we sit to negotiate with representative of a state that wanted to annihilate us only 10 yrs ago.

I would personally build a wall at the border and start buying tanks and cannons, so next time we will have a war of equals.

(pss, 14 December 2010 14:20)

It’s a simple enough question; how is this going to be achieved? Where is employment going to appear from? Will the US or EU open industry? They are your allies so surely they have given some indication.

Your can’t provide an answer because they will not invest a cent. Only five days ago MUP arrested 6 Albanians from Kosovo looking for work in Kragujevac – all were bused back to Kosovo. This is just one incident but there are many more. So if your people despise Serbia that much why are they looking for work in that land of evil?

“…equal not your subordinate” I don’t believe in slavery nor has Serbia ever sold or bought salves but the US has a very ugly history in this area. Once again you use emotive language that goes nowhere “100 times better off than their past life in Serbia”, but no real answers.

I don’t hate Albanians but your people have cleansed all others from Kosovo even Turks so that does not put you guys in a very good light.

I am simply asking a question that even the ordinary Albanian in the streets of Pristina is asking –where are the jobs coming from?

(Denis, 15 December 2010 06:54)
How is status going to become a closed issue? Serbia will never recognize Kosovo and if you mention that it’s a condition of joining the EU, I would not worry about the EU because the way it’s working out there will be no EU anyway. Look at Portugal, it’s gone to China to ask them to buy their bonds; not the US or EU countries. In both cases they know that neither is capable of buying a cup of sugar because they are drowning in the financial abyss.
Then there is Russia; they don’t want Kosovo resolved. Russia wants a status quo in that region.
Kosovo will not get a seat in the UN and that’s guaranteed and while there is still even a hint of a dispute no company or corporation will contemplate setting foot in Kosovo. Its unemployment rate is 85% with the only jobs available in government. My point is that Kosovo lives off aid from the EU and the EU is running out of everything and most of all money so how is Kosovo going to survive without aid?
I’m telling you that the upcoming negotiations are not going to be in your favor – The budget for the EU is decreasing over the next 10 years so what is Kosovo going to eat? You were right when said that “We better live in our own hell”.
“….how you have managed the ethnic relations there under your governance and the tragedy you brought upon that region for decades”
How many other ethnic groups remain in this multi-cultural land run by the Albanians? None! You even kicked out the Turks and Moslem Roma so I would not be too quick to point the finger at the Serbs.
It’s all nice bravado, but what are you going to tell your children when their bellies are empty? Freedom and democracy are not particularly a tasty meal.

That is, just over 40% turnout in the South, enough to give Serbs a couple of extra seats in parliament. (Over 45% in Strpce - 3:1 Serbs:Albanians.)
(Amer, 14 December 2010 17:36)
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It's fine Amer, all the irregularities and fraud coming through now so I wouldn't be too confident about those figures.

"Interesting how it's all hush hush about the percentage of Serbians that voted. If it was large then this would be headline news but shhhh, it's all quiet.
(Zoran, 14 December 2010 11:52) "

From "Turnout and results unclear in Serb areas" (B92): "Petrović [SLS leader] also told reporters that his party data said that "out of 54,460 Serb voters south of the Ibar 21,940 turned out," while his party received "13,108" votes. "

That is, just over 40% turnout in the South, enough to give Serbs a couple of extra seats in parliament. (Over 45% in Strpce - 3:1 Serbs:Albanians.)

Serbs turned out for SLS for the best of reasons (RadioKiM) - they'd already accomplished some of their promises from the previous election(building roads, sewer lines, starting a hospital) and were promising jobs next year.

Who is Hashim “Snake” Thaci?
[link]
(Roger7, 14 December 2010 16:05)

Great link, Roger - in particular that media is Croatian.

sj, 14 December 2010 23:26)
In subordinate, I did not mean slavery, but I doubt that Serbia has been slave-free, but have never researched the subject.
My comment was to the overwhelming attitude expressed by you and others as to being Serbian is somewhat above that of being Albanian. I myself only see a difference in name.
My question to you is How would you see life being better for the Kosovo people being a part of Serbia again especially in light of the past. And how far would you and Serbia be willing to go to make life an equal opportunity for Albanians in the land of Serbia?
Would you be willing to adopt some of the results of the civil rights movement in the US. Such as requiring businesses to employee minorities in the same percentage rate as the general population. That the ethniticity of executives in these businesses reflect the general population.
That special incentives be given by the govt for the development of minority owned businesses?
How would you change the things that you say Kosovo will never have through their independence?
If you cannot offer a better life, how can you expect them to give up their dreams?

I am simply asking a question that even the ordinary Albanian in the streets of Pristina is asking –where are the jobs coming from?
(sj, 14 December 2010 23:26)

Without a doubt you are. Vast majority of jobs are held hostage from the status issue, but things will actually calm down as the status becomes a closed issue with every day that passes by.

Maybe you should ask the same in Serbia, cause you don't strech that far out, especially considering what you have done to Kosovo, how you have managed the ethnic relations there under your governance and the tragedy you brought upon that region for decades.

In any case, we are far better and happier than when we lived under the boot of your goverment and your military thugs who persecuted and maltreated our families at will. You never had your way with Albanians, and you never will.

We better live in our own hell than in Serbian paradise.

In subordinate, I did not mean slavery, but I doubt that Serbia has been slave-free, but have never researched the subject.

Firstly, Serbia never did have African or any other types of slaves and that’s a historical fact.

You’re getting the wrong message here. I don’t see Albanians as second class but I am fiercely critical of some of the comments which are plainly stupid.

“…. being better for the Kosovo people being a part of Serbia again especially in light of the past….”

That is the very crux of the problem. I know that even if Belgrade decided tomorrow to recognise Kosovo it would still be a burden on Serbia. Let’s be honest here, Kosovo has nothing but people and do you think the EU has a different vision for Kosovo? No it does not. It’s also trying to weave Kosovo into the Serbian economy. If you think that joining with Albania is the answer – it won’t work; no money. Regardless of what the heart says its reality that works.

All other ethnic groups are treated equally so why should the Albanians not receive the same. I don’t believe in special rights such as what has happened in the west simply because it perpetuates the “ghetto mentality” and employing people on this basis cuts out the best applicants because of quotas.

You employ the best regardless of whether they are pink purple or yellow and that’s how you advance forward not by allocating positions for any specific ethnic group – what do you think made the US great? It wasn’t due to requiring businesses to employ minorities.

I ask you what special incentives has the west so far given for the development of minority owned businesses in Kosovo?”

“How would you change the things that you say Kosovo will never have through their independence? “

There is nothing to change Serbia can keep Kosovo in the present status for ever and Kosovo will die – no jobs, no investment; no seat on UN. If you think the US will help you think again –they asked children in the US what they wanted for Christmas; it was not toys or computer games, but cloths, not designer cloths just plain cloths.

It seems like a terrorist group which had been active during the elections...that explains why serbs could not vote in significant numbers...

The question that no Albanian wishes to address on this forum how is the life of the average person going to improve now that elections have been held? Hope someone comes up with a decent answer and please none of that democracy and freedom crap either. I’m after real ideas – something that not one of the Albanian political parties had as an election commitment.
(sj, 14 December 2010 09:56)
Why should any Albanian feel obligated to give you an answer. Especially to someone who thinks that they would be better off as opressed citizens of 2nd class stature to you in Serbia than forging a future for themselves independent of Serbia.
You say don't give you the freedom and democracy crap, what kind of answer are you looking for, you would just attempt to belittle whatever they say.
But I will give you an answer. They will have a chance at a future of their own making, a chance to look you in the eye and say I am your equal not your subordinate.
Should Kosovo remain stagnate at their present level they are already 100 times better off than their past life in Serbia and what Serbia is willing to offer them in the future. That my friend is what the average Albanian stands to gain from these elections.
You can continue to harbor your prejudices and hatred but it will only gnaw at you from the inside, you can never use it to affect the lives of the Kosovo people again.

The King of the organ-harvesters gets to rule another day. Kosova's Albanians must be proud to have such a noble leader. The upcoming negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina should be quite interesting, indeed.
(winston, 14 December 2010 17:14)

Not that Serbs fall far behind with their mass grave digging reputation, and pizza shop massacres....

Indeed, the negotiations will be interesting, when you consider that Serbian side has been proved GUILTY AS CHARGED for most of the crimes they have been accused of. Not sure how would we sit to negotiate with representative of a state that wanted to annihilate us only 10 yrs ago.

I would personally build a wall at the border and start buying tanks and cannons, so next time we will have a war of equals.

The question that no Albanian wishes to address on this forum how is the life of the average person going to improve now that elections have been held? Hope someone comes up with a decent answer and please none of that democracy and freedom crap either. I’m after real ideas – something that not one of the Albanian political parties had as an election commitment.

the title should ne 'Thaci's fraud and vote stealing confirmed'

Interesting how it's all hush hush about the percentage of Serbians that voted. If it was large then this would be headline news but shhhh, it's all quiet.
(Zoran, 14 December 2010 11:52)

That's right Zoran, it's oh so quiet :)

Pristina, PDK HQ - Hash meets with a fawning PDK Party hack.

PDK Party hack - Gee Boss you showed them with that 94% turnout in your hometown. Great vote management there.

Thaci - I sure did Jethro, however the local graveyard reported a 149% turnout. Now there's dedication for ye, eh!

Interesting how it's all hush hush about the percentage of Serbians that voted. If it was large then this would be headline news but shhhh, it's all quiet.

"It seems like a terrorist group which had been active during the elections...that explains why serbs could not vote in significant numbers...
(iliri, 14 December 2010 11:45) "

Really????? Quick! Spill the beans -- that's your specialty :) -- and tell us more! Come on, I'm sure you are one of the key members of this group -- otherwise you wouldn't know so much right? So tell us! We promise not to report you to the authorities!

Who is Hashim “Snake” Thaci?
http://dalje.com/en-world/who-is-hashim-snake-thaci/125467

The King of the organ-harvesters gets to rule another day. Kosova's Albanians must be proud to have such a noble leader. The upcoming negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina should be quite interesting, indeed.

I am simply asking a question that even the ordinary Albanian in the streets of Pristina is asking –where are the jobs coming from?
(sj, 14 December 2010 23:26)

Without a doubt you are. Vast majority of jobs are held hostage from the status issue, but things will actually calm down as the status becomes a closed issue with every day that passes by.

Maybe you should ask the same in Serbia, cause you don't strech that far out, especially considering what you have done to Kosovo, how you have managed the ethnic relations there under your governance and the tragedy you brought upon that region for decades.

In any case, we are far better and happier than when we lived under the boot of your goverment and your military thugs who persecuted and maltreated our families at will. You never had your way with Albanians, and you never will.

We better live in our own hell than in Serbian paradise.

That is, just over 40% turnout in the South, enough to give Serbs a couple of extra seats in parliament. (Over 45% in Strpce - 3:1 Serbs:Albanians.)
(Amer, 14 December 2010 17:36)
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It's fine Amer, all the irregularities and fraud coming through now so I wouldn't be too confident about those figures.

(pss, 14 December 2010 14:20)

It’s a simple enough question; how is this going to be achieved? Where is employment going to appear from? Will the US or EU open industry? They are your allies so surely they have given some indication.

Your can’t provide an answer because they will not invest a cent. Only five days ago MUP arrested 6 Albanians from Kosovo looking for work in Kragujevac – all were bused back to Kosovo. This is just one incident but there are many more. So if your people despise Serbia that much why are they looking for work in that land of evil?

“…equal not your subordinate” I don’t believe in slavery nor has Serbia ever sold or bought salves but the US has a very ugly history in this area. Once again you use emotive language that goes nowhere “100 times better off than their past life in Serbia”, but no real answers.

I don’t hate Albanians but your people have cleansed all others from Kosovo even Turks so that does not put you guys in a very good light.

I am simply asking a question that even the ordinary Albanian in the streets of Pristina is asking –where are the jobs coming from?

"Interesting how it's all hush hush about the percentage of Serbians that voted. If it was large then this would be headline news but shhhh, it's all quiet.
(Zoran, 14 December 2010 11:52) "

From "Turnout and results unclear in Serb areas" (B92): "Petrović [SLS leader] also told reporters that his party data said that "out of 54,460 Serb voters south of the Ibar 21,940 turned out," while his party received "13,108" votes. "

That is, just over 40% turnout in the South, enough to give Serbs a couple of extra seats in parliament. (Over 45% in Strpce - 3:1 Serbs:Albanians.)

Serbs turned out for SLS for the best of reasons (RadioKiM) - they'd already accomplished some of their promises from the previous election(building roads, sewer lines, starting a hospital) and were promising jobs next year.

Who is Hashim “Snake” Thaci?
[link]
(Roger7, 14 December 2010 16:05)

Great link, Roger - in particular that media is Croatian.

(Denis, 15 December 2010 06:54)
How is status going to become a closed issue? Serbia will never recognize Kosovo and if you mention that it’s a condition of joining the EU, I would not worry about the EU because the way it’s working out there will be no EU anyway. Look at Portugal, it’s gone to China to ask them to buy their bonds; not the US or EU countries. In both cases they know that neither is capable of buying a cup of sugar because they are drowning in the financial abyss.
Then there is Russia; they don’t want Kosovo resolved. Russia wants a status quo in that region.
Kosovo will not get a seat in the UN and that’s guaranteed and while there is still even a hint of a dispute no company or corporation will contemplate setting foot in Kosovo. Its unemployment rate is 85% with the only jobs available in government. My point is that Kosovo lives off aid from the EU and the EU is running out of everything and most of all money so how is Kosovo going to survive without aid?
I’m telling you that the upcoming negotiations are not going to be in your favor – The budget for the EU is decreasing over the next 10 years so what is Kosovo going to eat? You were right when said that “We better live in our own hell”.
“….how you have managed the ethnic relations there under your governance and the tragedy you brought upon that region for decades”
How many other ethnic groups remain in this multi-cultural land run by the Albanians? None! You even kicked out the Turks and Moslem Roma so I would not be too quick to point the finger at the Serbs.
It’s all nice bravado, but what are you going to tell your children when their bellies are empty? Freedom and democracy are not particularly a tasty meal.

sj, 14 December 2010 23:26)
In subordinate, I did not mean slavery, but I doubt that Serbia has been slave-free, but have never researched the subject.
My comment was to the overwhelming attitude expressed by you and others as to being Serbian is somewhat above that of being Albanian. I myself only see a difference in name.
My question to you is How would you see life being better for the Kosovo people being a part of Serbia again especially in light of the past. And how far would you and Serbia be willing to go to make life an equal opportunity for Albanians in the land of Serbia?
Would you be willing to adopt some of the results of the civil rights movement in the US. Such as requiring businesses to employee minorities in the same percentage rate as the general population. That the ethniticity of executives in these businesses reflect the general population.
That special incentives be given by the govt for the development of minority owned businesses?
How would you change the things that you say Kosovo will never have through their independence?
If you cannot offer a better life, how can you expect them to give up their dreams?

In subordinate, I did not mean slavery, but I doubt that Serbia has been slave-free, but have never researched the subject.

Firstly, Serbia never did have African or any other types of slaves and that’s a historical fact.

You’re getting the wrong message here. I don’t see Albanians as second class but I am fiercely critical of some of the comments which are plainly stupid.

“…. being better for the Kosovo people being a part of Serbia again especially in light of the past….”

That is the very crux of the problem. I know that even if Belgrade decided tomorrow to recognise Kosovo it would still be a burden on Serbia. Let’s be honest here, Kosovo has nothing but people and do you think the EU has a different vision for Kosovo? No it does not. It’s also trying to weave Kosovo into the Serbian economy. If you think that joining with Albania is the answer – it won’t work; no money. Regardless of what the heart says its reality that works.

All other ethnic groups are treated equally so why should the Albanians not receive the same. I don’t believe in special rights such as what has happened in the west simply because it perpetuates the “ghetto mentality” and employing people on this basis cuts out the best applicants because of quotas.

You employ the best regardless of whether they are pink purple or yellow and that’s how you advance forward not by allocating positions for any specific ethnic group – what do you think made the US great? It wasn’t due to requiring businesses to employ minorities.

I ask you what special incentives has the west so far given for the development of minority owned businesses in Kosovo?”

“How would you change the things that you say Kosovo will never have through their independence? “

There is nothing to change Serbia can keep Kosovo in the present status for ever and Kosovo will die – no jobs, no investment; no seat on UN. If you think the US will help you think again –they asked children in the US what they wanted for Christmas; it was not toys or computer games, but cloths, not designer cloths just plain cloths.