Flurry of statements on "changes to Constitution"

So are you Serbs or not? If not, worry about Albanian constitution.
(Peggy, 13 December 2010 20:42)

you are right. I am K-Albanian and worry only about Kosova constitution, so you should butt out of this constitution and stick with your constitution that you are violating every step of the way. Re-write it again , so that you are not able to violated over and over again.I hope you know what I mean!?

Samardžić said that many states which have recognized Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence are bothered by the Preamble on Serbia's southern province.

The DSS deputy president believes that the provisions referring to Kosovo-Metohija are the target of the initiatives for constitutional changes.


Why Serbia would still keep Kosova in its constitution, if you have no saying what Kosova does?
In reality every Serb politician is violating its own constitution when it comes to Kosova. Either you have your army marching in Kosova based on your constitution, or remove the name of Kosova entirely.

There's something very Serbian about this constitution business.

There's this "let's put the signs up and the job is finished" mentality here, that I've noticed.

3 examples:

1) All down the Danube, from Vienna to the Black Sea, there's a bike path..... except in Serbia, where there are signs all over for cyclists but they didn't actually build any path. So, put up the signs and let's call it done

2) I used Belgrade airport twice in the last month and noticed "Serbia is great for business" signs all over. What can I say, no one can say that Serbs don't have a sense for black humour. Again... put up the signs and the job is done.

3) Write "Kosovo je Srbia" in the constitution i gotovo posao

You are only guests in someone elses land. We waited for the turks to leave and we will wait for you to leave, even if it takes another 500 years.
(MikeC, 13 December 2010 19:05)

MikeC, here's something different from the "we have been waiting for you to leave and return to Russia since the 7th century when you arrived" response.

You won't be around as a nation in 500 years. Your departure will be natural. Look at the "Population growth rate in Serbia" (Link: http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:SRB&dl=en&hl=en&q=population+growth+rate+in+serbia#met=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:SRB"

It does not look like you will be able to wait 500 years - your nation is getting older, and at some point, there won't be enough people to feed the elderly.

At this rate, in 500 years, there will only be 896,154 Serbs in the Balkans.

"We do not need a preamble which denies the reality and creates a false impression that Serbia has some kind of sovereignty over Kosovo," Drašković told the agency.

You do need it Vuk. How will the serb politicians will get elected then? You take away Kosovo from their electoral platforms then what is left? Economy?Good luck selling that.

All this could be used in a funny theater play.
(Joe, 13 December 2010 19:33)

Except it'd be a tragicomedy or a dark comedy which Serb movies have always excelled at (Time of the Gypsies, Underground, Black Cat White Cat).

Constitution is the only thing which guarantees Serbia's sovereignty and that's how it should stay.
How dare they even think about changing the constitution without getting the go ahead from the people?

Forget signatures. Go directly to the people by means of referendum and see where you get.

Why am I not surprised that again, we have majority Albanians commenting on something which only the Serbs should do. Unless you consider yourself citizens of Serbia, kindly butt out of any discussion on Serbian constitution. It simply is none of your business.

So are you Serbs or not? If not, worry about Albanian constitution.

"There's this "let's put the signs up and the job is finished" mentality here, that I've noticed.

3 examples:

1) All down the Danube, from Vienna to the Black Sea, there's a bike path..... except in Serbia, where there are signs all over for cyclists but they didn't actually build any path. So, put up the signs and let's call it done

2) I used Belgrade airport twice in the last month and noticed "Serbia is great for business" signs all over. What can I say, no one can say that Serbs don't have a sense for black humour. Again... put up the signs and the job is done.

3) Write "Kosovo je Srbia" in the constitution i gotovo posao
(Danilo, 13 December 2010 17:48)

All this could be used in a funny theater play.

Agim Kelmendi

Kosovo is marked with Serbian culture. It can not be erased even if you muslims tried. Kosovo is Serbia, now and forever! As long as Serbia doesn't recognize the independence of Kosovo it is leagaly ours. You are only guests in someone elses land. We waited for the turks to leave and we will wait for you to leave, even if it takes another 500 years.

"At this rate, in 500 years, there will only be 896,154 Serbs in the Balkans.
Fluid

And most likely they will not speak Serbian anymore. As I read recently hundreds of national languages spoken today about 10 million or less each will disapear in a not so distant future because of the continuing expension of English and few other major languages.
In Europe too the current linguistic diversity will be greatly reduced.
Because of the Albanian natality rate Albanian as a language will survive.

At this rate, in 500 years, there will only be 896,154 Serbs in the Balkans.
(Fluid, 13 December 2010 20:30)
Good calculation.The only problem is that demographic trends tend to change several times even within a century.

She noted that a draft platform on regionalization and decentralization of Serbia was complete, and that the time when Serbia was "ruled from one center" was "over".
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ROFL! Yes, Serbia is ruled from two centres now, Brussels and Washington. Who else is enjoying the puppet show? Come on, does anyone still doubt the DS are sell-outs? How much more proof do you need? LOL.

wow, since when Japan needs to have a military base in Kosova? this is the first I heard from a Ruskie in disguise.
Don't forget this is English speaking site and stop writing your cirilica alphabet letters.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 December 2010 21:49)
Well I understand your frustration.Hedgehogs can be very annoying sometimes.Especially if they have different views.

Vuk Draskovic is a snake in the grass that would sell out his own mother for a few pesos and now we have in writing his grand plan “We do not need a preamble which denies the reality and creates a false impression that Serbia has some kind of sovereignty over Kosovo”.

I’ll tell what’s happening here; together with Tadic he wants to receive big bonuses from that even bigger rats nest called the EU. However, it isn’t going to happen because just as Serbia did not send its official representative to the Nobel Prize and Tadic sent the Ombudsman so will this attempt fail because it’s not in Russia’s interest to let Kosovo go.

Where does Vuk think these Albanians are going to look for work? Serbia naturally. That’s the great EU plan. Then we are going to have these Albanians moving into Serbia [proper then they are going to cry “oh we are being discriminated again help us EU”.

Let the EU establish industry in Kosovo, ha,,ha, ah. Yeah when the cow jumps over the moon it will.

Why does it seem there are so many traitors in the current government?

"Where does Vuk think these Albanians are going to look for work?

(sj, 14 December 2010 00:22) "

Countries are going to be competing for workers in a decade or so. (Germany has already started advertising.) Although Serbia is a leader in losing population, it's a trend that's setting in all over the world. For centuries now there have been too many people, the problem has been - and is still today - to find enough work for them all. But as birth-rates continue to fall and the average age increases, the problem will be to find enough workers to support the growing numbers of elderly. There will be a competition for labor the way there is today for capital. Robots and new technologies may help, having people work longer may help, but basically, countries everywhere are simply going to need more people, and with what it costs in time, effort, and money to raise and educate a child in the modern world, you can't expect women to suddenly start having large families again.

you are right. I am K-Albanian and worry only about Kosova constitution, so you should butt out of this constitution and stick with your constitution that you are violating every step of the way. Re-write it again , so that you are not able to violated over and over again.I hope you know what I mean!?
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 December 2010 21:39)

No idea. Explain it to me.

Good calculation.The only problem is that demographic trends tend to change several times even within a century.
(szemi, 13 December 2010 23:33)

Szemi, very true. That's just hope that the downward trend changes soon. It can change in either direction.

(Amer, 14 December 2010 03:15)
This is straight out of a text book. Life is never that simple, nor that easy as the authors often portray.
As far as Kosovo is concerned very little can be applied to satisfy the employment needs. Firstly, you have to have an educated workforce and the Albanians in Kosovo do not fall into that category. I know an Albanian that returned to his country because his girlfriend would not emigrate - she is a doctor and her qualifications are not recognized outside Albania. So what you have is a very large pool of unskilled labor in Kosovo.
Generally, if Kosovo has a population of say 2 million about half are capable of working and there is no way that the EU could even come close in accommodating such numbers. But surrounding countries can at least alleviate the problem and Serbia is the main country. My parents were in Serbia in July/November and there were many instances where Albanians were illegally trying to find work in Serbia. They said that police would arrest them and bus them back to Kosovo.
I would not rely on low birth rates in the EU to create job opportunities either because that can be reversed quickly with financial incentives for women to have more children. The best example is Australia where a few years ago the Government gave $5,000 per child born and the number of babies born soon out stripped immigration or the death rate.
Like it or not the EU wants open up Serbia for Albos to seek work, but I can tell you that negotiations are supposed to take 10 years to finalize and the geopolitical power will completely change in the next 2 to 3 years.
You also have to remember regardless that the Albanians in ksoovo had the EU as an ally in 1999, they are seen as Muslims and there is a strong resistance to allow any more to move to EU countries – e.g. look at the right-wing anti Muslim immigration movement in Holland alone.
Serbia can take these talks around and around in circles and just wait for Kosovo to explode. Simply speaking the economic assessment of the west is not good at all.

ya, SJ. Serbia's labour market is really hopping.

"Why am I not surprised that again, we have majority Albanians commenting on something which only the Serbs should do."

-- Peggy thankfully this world is not short-sighted as you are. See you claim a whole ethnicity as your subjects in this constitution even though they were not allowed to vote for it; then they will make sure everyone hears about the slavery Serbia is trying to sell in its constitution.
Serbia is saying that you are mine because I say so and you do not get to vote for it. We make noise just so everyone else sees the vile and evil attempts at enslaving a whole ethnicity in the heart of Europe in the year 2010. We will make noise just so everyone can see that Serbia is attempting to keep hostage a whole ethnicity without their approval; and they're doing so willingly a decisively. We make noise so everyone sees the evil in that.

"We make noise so everyone sees the evil in that.
johny

Peggy and some others naturally wished that that noise to alert the world stops. They should know better.

ya, SJ. Serbia's labour market is really hopping.
(Danilo, 14 December 2010 16:13)

At least there are some jobs in Serbia. How many are there in Kosovo again? Hundreds of Albanians are returned to that paradise of freedom and democracy from Serbia who were looking for work.

I know an Albanian that returned to his country because his girlfriend would not emigrate - she is a doctor and her qualifications are not recognized outside Albania. So what you have is a very large pool of unskilled labor in Kosovo.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

Is this like your 82-year old father’s story that proved the immigration of thousands of Albanians from Albania to Kosovo after WWII :)



My parents were in Serbia in July/November and there were many instances where Albanians were illegally trying to find work in Serbia. They said that police would arrest them and bus them back to Kosovo.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

I bet, again it’s your 82-year old father who told you this :). It’s really an interesting person your 82-year old father; always in the right time and place to witness the facts supporting your arguments about the Serbia-Kosovo issue !



Like it or not the EU wants open up Serbia for Albos to seek work, but I can tell you that negotiations are supposed to take 10 years to finalize and the geopolitical power will completely change in the next 2 to 3 years.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

Why, what’s happening in 2013 ? I want to trade that information on Intrade.com



Serbia can take these talks around and around in circles and just wait for Kosovo to explode. Simply speaking the economic assessment of the west is not good at all.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

Not sure what you mean by “economic assessment” and by whom this “assessment” is done but the average Westerner lives much better than the average non-Westerner. That’s what IMF data says.

Agim Kelmendi

Kosovo is marked with Serbian culture. It can not be erased even if you muslims tried. Kosovo is Serbia, now and forever! As long as Serbia doesn't recognize the independence of Kosovo it is leagaly ours. You are only guests in someone elses land. We waited for the turks to leave and we will wait for you to leave, even if it takes another 500 years.

Constitution is the only thing which guarantees Serbia's sovereignty and that's how it should stay.
How dare they even think about changing the constitution without getting the go ahead from the people?

Forget signatures. Go directly to the people by means of referendum and see where you get.

Why am I not surprised that again, we have majority Albanians commenting on something which only the Serbs should do. Unless you consider yourself citizens of Serbia, kindly butt out of any discussion on Serbian constitution. It simply is none of your business.

So are you Serbs or not? If not, worry about Albanian constitution.

Samardžić said that many states which have recognized Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence are bothered by the Preamble on Serbia's southern province.

The DSS deputy president believes that the provisions referring to Kosovo-Metohija are the target of the initiatives for constitutional changes.


Why Serbia would still keep Kosova in its constitution, if you have no saying what Kosova does?
In reality every Serb politician is violating its own constitution when it comes to Kosova. Either you have your army marching in Kosova based on your constitution, or remove the name of Kosova entirely.

She noted that a draft platform on regionalization and decentralization of Serbia was complete, and that the time when Serbia was "ruled from one center" was "over".
--
ROFL! Yes, Serbia is ruled from two centres now, Brussels and Washington. Who else is enjoying the puppet show? Come on, does anyone still doubt the DS are sell-outs? How much more proof do you need? LOL.

Vuk Draskovic is a snake in the grass that would sell out his own mother for a few pesos and now we have in writing his grand plan “We do not need a preamble which denies the reality and creates a false impression that Serbia has some kind of sovereignty over Kosovo”.

I’ll tell what’s happening here; together with Tadic he wants to receive big bonuses from that even bigger rats nest called the EU. However, it isn’t going to happen because just as Serbia did not send its official representative to the Nobel Prize and Tadic sent the Ombudsman so will this attempt fail because it’s not in Russia’s interest to let Kosovo go.

Where does Vuk think these Albanians are going to look for work? Serbia naturally. That’s the great EU plan. Then we are going to have these Albanians moving into Serbia [proper then they are going to cry “oh we are being discriminated again help us EU”.

Let the EU establish industry in Kosovo, ha,,ha, ah. Yeah when the cow jumps over the moon it will.

There's something very Serbian about this constitution business.

There's this "let's put the signs up and the job is finished" mentality here, that I've noticed.

3 examples:

1) All down the Danube, from Vienna to the Black Sea, there's a bike path..... except in Serbia, where there are signs all over for cyclists but they didn't actually build any path. So, put up the signs and let's call it done

2) I used Belgrade airport twice in the last month and noticed "Serbia is great for business" signs all over. What can I say, no one can say that Serbs don't have a sense for black humour. Again... put up the signs and the job is done.

3) Write "Kosovo je Srbia" in the constitution i gotovo posao

You are only guests in someone elses land. We waited for the turks to leave and we will wait for you to leave, even if it takes another 500 years.
(MikeC, 13 December 2010 19:05)

MikeC, here's something different from the "we have been waiting for you to leave and return to Russia since the 7th century when you arrived" response.

You won't be around as a nation in 500 years. Your departure will be natural. Look at the "Population growth rate in Serbia" (Link: http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:SRB&dl=en&hl=en&q=population+growth+rate+in+serbia#met=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:SRB"

It does not look like you will be able to wait 500 years - your nation is getting older, and at some point, there won't be enough people to feed the elderly.

At this rate, in 500 years, there will only be 896,154 Serbs in the Balkans.

So are you Serbs or not? If not, worry about Albanian constitution.
(Peggy, 13 December 2010 20:42)

you are right. I am K-Albanian and worry only about Kosova constitution, so you should butt out of this constitution and stick with your constitution that you are violating every step of the way. Re-write it again , so that you are not able to violated over and over again.I hope you know what I mean!?

"There's this "let's put the signs up and the job is finished" mentality here, that I've noticed.

3 examples:

1) All down the Danube, from Vienna to the Black Sea, there's a bike path..... except in Serbia, where there are signs all over for cyclists but they didn't actually build any path. So, put up the signs and let's call it done

2) I used Belgrade airport twice in the last month and noticed "Serbia is great for business" signs all over. What can I say, no one can say that Serbs don't have a sense for black humour. Again... put up the signs and the job is done.

3) Write "Kosovo je Srbia" in the constitution i gotovo posao
(Danilo, 13 December 2010 17:48)

All this could be used in a funny theater play.

All this could be used in a funny theater play.
(Joe, 13 December 2010 19:33)

Except it'd be a tragicomedy or a dark comedy which Serb movies have always excelled at (Time of the Gypsies, Underground, Black Cat White Cat).

wow, since when Japan needs to have a military base in Kosova? this is the first I heard from a Ruskie in disguise.
Don't forget this is English speaking site and stop writing your cirilica alphabet letters.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 December 2010 21:49)
Well I understand your frustration.Hedgehogs can be very annoying sometimes.Especially if they have different views.

you are right. I am K-Albanian and worry only about Kosova constitution, so you should butt out of this constitution and stick with your constitution that you are violating every step of the way. Re-write it again , so that you are not able to violated over and over again.I hope you know what I mean!?
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 December 2010 21:39)

No idea. Explain it to me.

At this rate, in 500 years, there will only be 896,154 Serbs in the Balkans.
(Fluid, 13 December 2010 20:30)
Good calculation.The only problem is that demographic trends tend to change several times even within a century.

"We do not need a preamble which denies the reality and creates a false impression that Serbia has some kind of sovereignty over Kosovo," Drašković told the agency.

You do need it Vuk. How will the serb politicians will get elected then? You take away Kosovo from their electoral platforms then what is left? Economy?Good luck selling that.

Why does it seem there are so many traitors in the current government?

(Amer, 14 December 2010 03:15)
This is straight out of a text book. Life is never that simple, nor that easy as the authors often portray.
As far as Kosovo is concerned very little can be applied to satisfy the employment needs. Firstly, you have to have an educated workforce and the Albanians in Kosovo do not fall into that category. I know an Albanian that returned to his country because his girlfriend would not emigrate - she is a doctor and her qualifications are not recognized outside Albania. So what you have is a very large pool of unskilled labor in Kosovo.
Generally, if Kosovo has a population of say 2 million about half are capable of working and there is no way that the EU could even come close in accommodating such numbers. But surrounding countries can at least alleviate the problem and Serbia is the main country. My parents were in Serbia in July/November and there were many instances where Albanians were illegally trying to find work in Serbia. They said that police would arrest them and bus them back to Kosovo.
I would not rely on low birth rates in the EU to create job opportunities either because that can be reversed quickly with financial incentives for women to have more children. The best example is Australia where a few years ago the Government gave $5,000 per child born and the number of babies born soon out stripped immigration or the death rate.
Like it or not the EU wants open up Serbia for Albos to seek work, but I can tell you that negotiations are supposed to take 10 years to finalize and the geopolitical power will completely change in the next 2 to 3 years.
You also have to remember regardless that the Albanians in ksoovo had the EU as an ally in 1999, they are seen as Muslims and there is a strong resistance to allow any more to move to EU countries – e.g. look at the right-wing anti Muslim immigration movement in Holland alone.
Serbia can take these talks around and around in circles and just wait for Kosovo to explode. Simply speaking the economic assessment of the west is not good at all.

"At this rate, in 500 years, there will only be 896,154 Serbs in the Balkans.
Fluid

And most likely they will not speak Serbian anymore. As I read recently hundreds of national languages spoken today about 10 million or less each will disapear in a not so distant future because of the continuing expension of English and few other major languages.
In Europe too the current linguistic diversity will be greatly reduced.
Because of the Albanian natality rate Albanian as a language will survive.

Good calculation.The only problem is that demographic trends tend to change several times even within a century.
(szemi, 13 December 2010 23:33)

Szemi, very true. That's just hope that the downward trend changes soon. It can change in either direction.

"Where does Vuk think these Albanians are going to look for work?

(sj, 14 December 2010 00:22) "

Countries are going to be competing for workers in a decade or so. (Germany has already started advertising.) Although Serbia is a leader in losing population, it's a trend that's setting in all over the world. For centuries now there have been too many people, the problem has been - and is still today - to find enough work for them all. But as birth-rates continue to fall and the average age increases, the problem will be to find enough workers to support the growing numbers of elderly. There will be a competition for labor the way there is today for capital. Robots and new technologies may help, having people work longer may help, but basically, countries everywhere are simply going to need more people, and with what it costs in time, effort, and money to raise and educate a child in the modern world, you can't expect women to suddenly start having large families again.

ya, SJ. Serbia's labour market is really hopping.

"Why am I not surprised that again, we have majority Albanians commenting on something which only the Serbs should do."

-- Peggy thankfully this world is not short-sighted as you are. See you claim a whole ethnicity as your subjects in this constitution even though they were not allowed to vote for it; then they will make sure everyone hears about the slavery Serbia is trying to sell in its constitution.
Serbia is saying that you are mine because I say so and you do not get to vote for it. We make noise just so everyone else sees the vile and evil attempts at enslaving a whole ethnicity in the heart of Europe in the year 2010. We will make noise just so everyone can see that Serbia is attempting to keep hostage a whole ethnicity without their approval; and they're doing so willingly a decisively. We make noise so everyone sees the evil in that.

"We make noise so everyone sees the evil in that.
johny

Peggy and some others naturally wished that that noise to alert the world stops. They should know better.

ya, SJ. Serbia's labour market is really hopping.
(Danilo, 14 December 2010 16:13)

At least there are some jobs in Serbia. How many are there in Kosovo again? Hundreds of Albanians are returned to that paradise of freedom and democracy from Serbia who were looking for work.

I know an Albanian that returned to his country because his girlfriend would not emigrate - she is a doctor and her qualifications are not recognized outside Albania. So what you have is a very large pool of unskilled labor in Kosovo.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

Is this like your 82-year old father’s story that proved the immigration of thousands of Albanians from Albania to Kosovo after WWII :)



My parents were in Serbia in July/November and there were many instances where Albanians were illegally trying to find work in Serbia. They said that police would arrest them and bus them back to Kosovo.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

I bet, again it’s your 82-year old father who told you this :). It’s really an interesting person your 82-year old father; always in the right time and place to witness the facts supporting your arguments about the Serbia-Kosovo issue !



Like it or not the EU wants open up Serbia for Albos to seek work, but I can tell you that negotiations are supposed to take 10 years to finalize and the geopolitical power will completely change in the next 2 to 3 years.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

Why, what’s happening in 2013 ? I want to trade that information on Intrade.com



Serbia can take these talks around and around in circles and just wait for Kosovo to explode. Simply speaking the economic assessment of the west is not good at all.
(sj, 14 December 2010 12:52)

Not sure what you mean by “economic assessment” and by whom this “assessment” is done but the average Westerner lives much better than the average non-Westerner. That’s what IMF data says.