Corruption level in Serbia increases

The level of corruption in Serbia has increased over the past three years and the government has had less success in dealing with the problem.
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How does that work? The corruption is within the government so it will obviously have less success dealing with it. Tadic spends most of his time in bed these days so who is looking after the country?

And now we know what Sanadar meant when he said Tadic shared his thinking.

with it. Tadic spends most of his time in bed these days so who is looking after the country?
(Zoran, 10 December 2010 10:51)

Come on Zoran, relax, have a Jelen... yes Mr Tadic might not be the best, but give me just one alternative, one that will have the strenght to deal with all these problems and move Serbia forward.
As you know, a lot of them like to critize but never come up with something concrete....

Swiss, you seem to support the Tadic model... that "there is no alternative." Well quite frankly there is. Numerous south american countries have thrown away the chains of free market neoliberlism, and have taken back their independence.

Lets asks some questions that both Tadic and the opposition in Nikolic support. They support Serbia in the EU. Lets see what that would give us. An example so to say. That example is Bulgaria, a country that is a colony without much prospects for the future. That is what serbia is going towards... forever indebted with foreigners owning everything meaningful in the country. Now why would we want such a system? I certainly don't. It's a fact that the free market does not bring technology transfer. That's scary if you think about it. Belarus is a better alternative. They even in hard times made it through, and even expanded their subway system drastically while continuing to fund all sorts of social programs. Don't fall for madam Thatcher's "there is no alternative" (t.i.n.a.) myth. Lets go for "neoliberalism is not an alternative" (n.i.n.a.).

Come on Zoran, relax, have a Jelen...
(The Swiss, 10 December 2010 11:31)
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Hello my friend, now this is a man with a backbone looking after the interests of Serbia. I know you dislike him as much as I dislike Tadic but he is not one that has a master and bows when asked. Check http://46.59.1.2/cable/2006/10/06BELGRADE1681.html

Send me an email if you want to catch up tonight.

and bows when asked. Check [link]

Send me an email if you want to catch up tonight.
(Zoran, 10 December 2010 14:58)

Nooooo Zoran, not him...., ok, definitely have to catch up with you before it's too late :) see you later...

and bows when asked. Check [link]

Send me an email if you want to catch up tonight.
(Zoran, 10 December 2010 14:58)

Nooooo Zoran, not him...., ok, definitely have to catch up with you before it's too late :) see you later...
(The Swiss, 10 December 2010 16:21)

Guys, I have an idea.

How about someone in Serbia who has the best and closest contacts to Putin (and nearly all other politicians of West and East). BTW - he was the one who single-handely restored the center of Moscow to imperial glory.

Side-effect: would he become Serbian president, the "Kosovo je Srbija" issue would be solved within one hour the way even Seselj can't dream about.

Of course you know whom I mean - but don't call the medical emergency yet. Just think, maybe not as insane as it sounds.

One for sure: there is no one who can corrupt him. Rather opposite. Forget the ethnic background. He took care about golden domes of Kremlin, so if Russians trusted him on that... and that was pure gold, not some brass. In current shape what he would "inherit" all over the countries of exYU that would be sh*t, not gold, But what to lose really, let him try to turn the crap into gold. He already did it once.

I am not drunk yet... not even started. But honey-flavored ukrainian gorilka waits for me.

This is serious - yet the comments in this posting are flippant.

I hear complaints of corruption from ordinary people whose lives are directly affected. This is not just a distant issue discussed in the press, it is a poison that hurts people directly in their every day lives.

When a party comes to power and puts its own 'people' into jobs, that is corruption. It often also imposes the corruption of incompetence.

When officials can't do inspections because of threats - that undermines the rights and the safety of the people. Food hygiene, building inspection and car testing are all areas where money subverts the law.

When keeping a job depends on being expected to 'look the other way', that is corruption.

When an employer does not pay the employee's state contributions, that is theft from the employee and a free-load on the services provided to the employee by the state.

When the police get a 'phone call' after arresting someone with 'connections', that undermines the protection that law is supposed to give to the ordinary citizen.

When officials sit on decisions because their position gives them their 'little bit of power', that is corruption.

When migrants, girls, drugs, contraband, are moved by criminals, that is dirt that hurts the people involved and pollutes the whole community.

When a free press and investigative journalists are pressured- that is corruption.

After the corruption that was endemic under Milosevic, there has been some improvement, but there is now some worsening. It takes a big effort by society to demand that these things change, and a big effort from worthwhile politicians (as opposed to the corrupt) to improve society.

The thing that makes me most fed-up is when people say "you can't do anything about it". Of course you can - at least those who bother can.

"Corruption level in Serbia increases"

Does this include Kosovo???

to fund all sorts of social programs. Don't fall for madam Thatcher's "there is no alternative" (t.i.n.a.) myth. Lets go for "neoliberalism is not an alternative" (n.i.n.a.).
(Lazar, 10 December 2010 18:01)

First of all, had a good Jelen with Zoran and cleared a bit his mind.. at least I hope :), next time join us if you are around....

No Lazar, I don't support a Tadic model as you call it, am saying that he is facing a tough task and should be supported for that. My comments was strictly restricted to the Serbian "top" politicians, i.e. between the
Tadic, Kostunica, Nikolic, not much left....
I agree with you that the model that is being "offered" nowadays by the so called democratic countries has definitely shown the limits and brought us to the abyss. Am certainly for a far more social approach and better distribution of wealth...
You would be surprised to hear from some EU politicians how much they would love the banks to finally pay for all the mess they created and which at the end is ending on the tax payer check and have a better redistribution of wealth...
Maybe Wikileak will help to clean the roten bankers once they will start disclosing the behind of the scene deals that happend in the US with the JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley BOA, HSBC and alike...

Don't forget am from a country where you don't have much to think, all is organized, we are definitely in the metro boulot dodo mood (metro-sleeping-working)and not much is going on politically apart from a banning of minarets here, an expell of foreign criminals there, which makes is a bit spicier...

am not drunk yet... not even started. But honey-flavored ukrainian gorilka waits for me.
(Je¿ behgjet-pacollowy, 10 December 2010

The you certainly know that the Kremlin interior was refreshed by a "Swiss" company owned by Pacolli...which signagures were among other given to Pavel Borodine, special link to Boris Elstin...for around 500 mio usd. hummm smells like usual business :) Having visited it I must say that the renovation is impressive, but the price per sqm2 also, mainly when the parquet is in question....

As to the center of Moscow, let say, around the Kremlin and the surroundings, it was mainly renovated by the turkish entrepreneurs, who also did a great job..

So, your choice is rather difficult to be swallowed.... :)

So, your choice is rather difficult to be swallowed.... :)
(The Swiss, 10 December 2010 23:58)

Yes it is - but if I look for the achievements and the results and the "connections" and the efficiency - that name pops up instantly. No, seriously - if someone gives few million Dollars to some god-forgotten island for a political cause (and not the other way) - than this is a sign of "reverse" corruption.

And I am not talking about extensive friendly political connections all across the globe yet. To begin with: he is a better friend with Russians than the entire Serb leadership. And I did not talk about the "West" yet. Or the case with Taliban and Korean hostages.

I am just thinking with the Silicon Valley mentality: you mobilize your resources regardless of ethnic and religious background. Looking at that Nobel Prize disaster or Brazilian visa I feel there is some room for improvement.

with it. Tadic spends most of his time in bed these days so who is looking after the country?
(Zoran, 10 December 2010 10:51)

Come on Zoran, relax, have a Jelen... yes Mr Tadic might not be the best, but give me just one alternative, one that will have the strenght to deal with all these problems and move Serbia forward.
As you know, a lot of them like to critize but never come up with something concrete....

The level of corruption in Serbia has increased over the past three years and the government has had less success in dealing with the problem.
--
How does that work? The corruption is within the government so it will obviously have less success dealing with it. Tadic spends most of his time in bed these days so who is looking after the country?

And now we know what Sanadar meant when he said Tadic shared his thinking.

Come on Zoran, relax, have a Jelen...
(The Swiss, 10 December 2010 11:31)
--
Hello my friend, now this is a man with a backbone looking after the interests of Serbia. I know you dislike him as much as I dislike Tadic but he is not one that has a master and bows when asked. Check http://46.59.1.2/cable/2006/10/06BELGRADE1681.html

Send me an email if you want to catch up tonight.

and bows when asked. Check [link]

Send me an email if you want to catch up tonight.
(Zoran, 10 December 2010 14:58)

Nooooo Zoran, not him...., ok, definitely have to catch up with you before it's too late :) see you later...

Swiss, you seem to support the Tadic model... that "there is no alternative." Well quite frankly there is. Numerous south american countries have thrown away the chains of free market neoliberlism, and have taken back their independence.

Lets asks some questions that both Tadic and the opposition in Nikolic support. They support Serbia in the EU. Lets see what that would give us. An example so to say. That example is Bulgaria, a country that is a colony without much prospects for the future. That is what serbia is going towards... forever indebted with foreigners owning everything meaningful in the country. Now why would we want such a system? I certainly don't. It's a fact that the free market does not bring technology transfer. That's scary if you think about it. Belarus is a better alternative. They even in hard times made it through, and even expanded their subway system drastically while continuing to fund all sorts of social programs. Don't fall for madam Thatcher's "there is no alternative" (t.i.n.a.) myth. Lets go for "neoliberalism is not an alternative" (n.i.n.a.).

"Corruption level in Serbia increases"

Does this include Kosovo???

to fund all sorts of social programs. Don't fall for madam Thatcher's "there is no alternative" (t.i.n.a.) myth. Lets go for "neoliberalism is not an alternative" (n.i.n.a.).
(Lazar, 10 December 2010 18:01)

First of all, had a good Jelen with Zoran and cleared a bit his mind.. at least I hope :), next time join us if you are around....

No Lazar, I don't support a Tadic model as you call it, am saying that he is facing a tough task and should be supported for that. My comments was strictly restricted to the Serbian "top" politicians, i.e. between the
Tadic, Kostunica, Nikolic, not much left....
I agree with you that the model that is being "offered" nowadays by the so called democratic countries has definitely shown the limits and brought us to the abyss. Am certainly for a far more social approach and better distribution of wealth...
You would be surprised to hear from some EU politicians how much they would love the banks to finally pay for all the mess they created and which at the end is ending on the tax payer check and have a better redistribution of wealth...
Maybe Wikileak will help to clean the roten bankers once they will start disclosing the behind of the scene deals that happend in the US with the JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley BOA, HSBC and alike...

Don't forget am from a country where you don't have much to think, all is organized, we are definitely in the metro boulot dodo mood (metro-sleeping-working)and not much is going on politically apart from a banning of minarets here, an expell of foreign criminals there, which makes is a bit spicier...

and bows when asked. Check [link]

Send me an email if you want to catch up tonight.
(Zoran, 10 December 2010 14:58)

Nooooo Zoran, not him...., ok, definitely have to catch up with you before it's too late :) see you later...
(The Swiss, 10 December 2010 16:21)

Guys, I have an idea.

How about someone in Serbia who has the best and closest contacts to Putin (and nearly all other politicians of West and East). BTW - he was the one who single-handely restored the center of Moscow to imperial glory.

Side-effect: would he become Serbian president, the "Kosovo je Srbija" issue would be solved within one hour the way even Seselj can't dream about.

Of course you know whom I mean - but don't call the medical emergency yet. Just think, maybe not as insane as it sounds.

One for sure: there is no one who can corrupt him. Rather opposite. Forget the ethnic background. He took care about golden domes of Kremlin, so if Russians trusted him on that... and that was pure gold, not some brass. In current shape what he would "inherit" all over the countries of exYU that would be sh*t, not gold, But what to lose really, let him try to turn the crap into gold. He already did it once.

I am not drunk yet... not even started. But honey-flavored ukrainian gorilka waits for me.

am not drunk yet... not even started. But honey-flavored ukrainian gorilka waits for me.
(Je¿ behgjet-pacollowy, 10 December 2010

The you certainly know that the Kremlin interior was refreshed by a "Swiss" company owned by Pacolli...which signagures were among other given to Pavel Borodine, special link to Boris Elstin...for around 500 mio usd. hummm smells like usual business :) Having visited it I must say that the renovation is impressive, but the price per sqm2 also, mainly when the parquet is in question....

As to the center of Moscow, let say, around the Kremlin and the surroundings, it was mainly renovated by the turkish entrepreneurs, who also did a great job..

So, your choice is rather difficult to be swallowed.... :)

This is serious - yet the comments in this posting are flippant.

I hear complaints of corruption from ordinary people whose lives are directly affected. This is not just a distant issue discussed in the press, it is a poison that hurts people directly in their every day lives.

When a party comes to power and puts its own 'people' into jobs, that is corruption. It often also imposes the corruption of incompetence.

When officials can't do inspections because of threats - that undermines the rights and the safety of the people. Food hygiene, building inspection and car testing are all areas where money subverts the law.

When keeping a job depends on being expected to 'look the other way', that is corruption.

When an employer does not pay the employee's state contributions, that is theft from the employee and a free-load on the services provided to the employee by the state.

When the police get a 'phone call' after arresting someone with 'connections', that undermines the protection that law is supposed to give to the ordinary citizen.

When officials sit on decisions because their position gives them their 'little bit of power', that is corruption.

When migrants, girls, drugs, contraband, are moved by criminals, that is dirt that hurts the people involved and pollutes the whole community.

When a free press and investigative journalists are pressured- that is corruption.

After the corruption that was endemic under Milosevic, there has been some improvement, but there is now some worsening. It takes a big effort by society to demand that these things change, and a big effort from worthwhile politicians (as opposed to the corrupt) to improve society.

The thing that makes me most fed-up is when people say "you can't do anything about it". Of course you can - at least those who bother can.

So, your choice is rather difficult to be swallowed.... :)
(The Swiss, 10 December 2010 23:58)

Yes it is - but if I look for the achievements and the results and the "connections" and the efficiency - that name pops up instantly. No, seriously - if someone gives few million Dollars to some god-forgotten island for a political cause (and not the other way) - than this is a sign of "reverse" corruption.

And I am not talking about extensive friendly political connections all across the globe yet. To begin with: he is a better friend with Russians than the entire Serb leadership. And I did not talk about the "West" yet. Or the case with Taliban and Korean hostages.

I am just thinking with the Silicon Valley mentality: you mobilize your resources regardless of ethnic and religious background. Looking at that Nobel Prize disaster or Brazilian visa I feel there is some room for improvement.