Chinese Ambassador to Serbia Wei Jinghua says that China “highly appreciates” Serbia's decision not to attend Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for Liu Xiaobo.
Speaking of minimal rights and hard life, isnt China the strongest economy in the world at the moment? I dont see why something that isnt broken needs fixing...
(Velibor, 10 December 2010 16:59)
Well, with the average Chinese citizen being poorer even compared to the average Albanian citizen.... I don't know; you tell us if that's can be described as "strongest economy" !
I forgot to add to my last comment that US was broke all the way until second world war kicked off and US started making weapons which created jobs because it was a democracy, then and only then did they realize that they had to keep warring to stay affloat...since second world war they have been warring without a stop but still undoubtedly falling lower and lower down the drain...at the moment US owes money to all "COMMUNIST" nations yall are refferring to... including Russia and China
That's why there have been peace in EX-YU, under Tito, when people who didn't agree with that repressive system were sent straight to some prison isand. And there has been peace in the Soviet Union. And in former East Germany, where the whole population has been under constant superivsion of the STASI secret service, without freedom to travel. The question is: Do you prefer to live peacefully, in a state that provides a minimal standard of living, without rights and with suppression instead of a democracy where you have human rights?
(Top, 9 December 2010 14:00)
RESPONSE:
Speaking of minimal rights and hard life, isnt China the strongest economy in the world at the moment? I dont see why something that isnt broken needs fixing...
-- It is about peace if the political system uses tanks to crush people in Tienanmen square. Then it is very much about peace, requesting the end of the system that crushes civilians with tanks, is very much about peace.
(johny, 9 December 2010 21:38)
Thanks johny, as always. the blindly pro communist/fascist propaganda here is just too much. you want to live in that crap, go move there, and see what happens when you dare to mouth off...
"Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 19:24)
Hitler was elected through democratic elections...are you also arguing that Nazi Germany was a democracy?
Do keep in mind Hitler killed 20mn Russian, 6mn Jews, 1mn gays, blacks, disabled, etc.
Maybe you should do some research and find out that the latest elections in Iran are likely to have been fraud elections with a lot of irregularities...
(Top, 9 December 2010 22:48)
--
No kidding? Don't stop at Iran, look at so-called democracies throughout the world. There seem to be irregularities in elections everywhere. A bit George W Bush gaining power.
"Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 19:24)
Maybe you should do some research and find out that the latest elections in Iran are likely to have been fraud elections with a lot of irregularities...
“The Chinese dissident was requesting a change of political system in our country and we think that the Serbian people know best that awarding of the Nobel Prize to him has nothing to do with peace,” the Chinese ambassador explained.
-- It is about peace if the political system uses tanks to crush people in Tienanmen square. Then it is very much about peace, requesting the end of the system that crushes civilians with tanks, is very much about peace.
Serbia is just as Lib-Dem as the West except that we're at the stage the West was in the 60s. It'll be worth living in when we implement a Putinist system in a decade, instead of stalling until we get into the EU. Plus it's easier to watch foreigners fully degenerated by modernity than your own kind just starting to take the poison
If you think Iran is democratic, then most of the world population inculding myself must be living in a another planet.
wow,wow,wow, I am speachless.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 December 2010 18:04)
--
Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. You can say the same about certain parts of the US.
OK, so they have a Supreme leader, who is responsible for the army but Britain has the Queen, who has a similar responsibility. No one elects the queen but Britian is still regarded as a democratic country. In Iran the Supreme Leader can be removed and replaced but the King or Queen in the UK cannot.
You should rather become a Jannisary and plunder + rape some stupid pravoslavs. Much more fun, isn't it?
(Je¿ janczarny su³tana Murata, 9 December 2010 16:13)
Heh heh. The thing about Milos was that he fought the Turk on Serbian land, in defence of Serbian land. He didn't sit in his bedroom in Cari Grad whining about how Car Lazar was an Ottoman agent. Unlike some little kids I could mention :-)
Now Iran is a democracy but the West isn't happy? Saudia Arabia has a repressive regime but the west is happy? China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda? Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 14:55)
If you think Iran is democratic, then most of the world population inculding myself must be living in a another planet.
wow,wow,wow, I am speachless.
I definitely wouldn't want to live in a liberal democracy, especially one that wasn't my own country, would you highduke? I said, would you? Hullo? Anyone there...?
(Milos Obilic, 9 December 2010 14:59)
Got your sarcasm, LOL. Let me add some more.
Milos - you are criminal. You not just resisting the friendly Ottoman army - you even probably ready to kill the poor Sultan Murat who loves Serbs and is innocent like a newborn sheep. Bad guy. You should rather listen to benevolent authorities and Dear Leader Sultan instead of killing him. The future of Balkans does belong to Ottomans. The idiotic Serbian human right activists like you or like Sindelic destroy the future and undermine the benevolent efforts of Ottoman Dear Leader. You should rather become a Jannisary and plunder + rape some stupid pravoslavs. Much more fun, isn't it?
"Come on Top, you can do better than that. I came to Yugoslavia during its communist days and I live in Serbia now. There isn't a big difference in quality of life. In fact, I would even say people were happier back in the communist days."
Probably true. People felt safer, without fear for the future, the state was caring - as long as you agree with everything. General living standards (housing, cars, technical equipment) were lower. Happiness is determined by many factors. Wasn't there a survey that a high percentage of the people in Macedonia preferred the good old times?
"China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda?"
You are right if you think a high growth rate means "prosperous". What people sometimes forget is the level which it's based on. With a GDP of $5.963 per capita your can calculate yourself how many decades they will need until the average of the EU ($30.494) is reached, even with an annual growth rate of 10%.
As a lot of people here always praise the BRIC states: What about Brasil and India? Both "prosperous" according to your definition, both democracies, the latter with a lot of poverty, though.
"Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?"
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 14:55)
Surely it is. But please check Amnesty or Wikipedia for the numbers: (2009) China: at least 1700 (estimated 5000), Iran: at least 388 Saudi Ariabia: at least 120, and the USA: 52.
As long as Russia & China are allies, we must support China, yet another great nation offering more stable alternatives to failed Liberal Democracy
(highduke, 9 December 2010 10:36)
I definitely wouldn't want to live in a liberal democracy, especially one that wasn't my own country, would you highduke? I said, would you? Hullo? Anyone there...?
"Yes, this has nothing to do with peace. In fact it is the opposite as attempting to introduce "democracy" is a recipe for unrest. Why does China need an opposition party, which will undoubtedly be financed by the west? "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 11:09)
That's why there have been peace in EX-YU, under Tito, when people who didn't agree with that repressive system were sent straight to some prison isand. And there has been peace in the Soviet Union. And in former East Germany, where the whole population has been under constant superivsion of the STASI secret service, without freedom to travel. The question is: Do you prefer to live peacefully, in a state that provides a minimal standard of living, without rights and with suppression instead of a democracy where you have human rights?
Come on Top, you can do better than that. I came to Yugoslavia during its communist days and I live in Serbia now. There isn't a big difference in quality of life. In fact, I would even say people were happier back in the communist days.
Now Iran is a democracy but the West isn't happy? Saudia Arabia has a repressive regime but the west is happy? China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda? Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?
The Serbs are doing this retarded act only to save them selfs when the time comes to give the Nobel to Serb dissidents.
That is the childish argument of all who are not attending, nice group :D
(Drownotherday, 9 December 2010 11:09)
Amen to your comment.
I porpose Natasha Kandic to get Noble price next time around. This lady stood against the biggest criminals and exposed them for what they are, in her own country.
“Serbian people know that awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to the Chinese dissident has nothing to do with peace,” he pointed out.
Literally, he's right. But since there's no Nobel Prize for Human Rights, the Peace Prize is often awarded to persons/organizations who peacefully stand up for human rights , fight for minority rights and so on.
“On the other hand, we think that awarding of the Nobel Prize to the Chinese dissident has nothing to do with peace and human rights,” said Wei.
--
Absolutely, what does this have to do with peace? China is already at peace. It is the world's fastest growing economy when also considering it has the world's largest population. It is a strong country with many ethnic groups and one that is prospering and developing in a huge way.
Yes, this has nothing to do with peace. In fact it is the opposite as attempting to introduce "democracy" is a recipe for unrest. Why does China need an opposition party, which will undoubtedly be financed by the west?
The Noble peace prize has lost all credibility and is now awarded to loyal western subjects that have failed or ended up in jail and receive this consolation prize for their efforts. Marti Ahtisaari with his plan falls into that category also.
Oh dear the EU aren't happy- what are they going to do? bomb the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade again? LOL!!! and I agree with you Peggy there weren't complaints about Astirri- The Nobel prize is worthless anyway- it's just been political for years Obama winning the peace prize when he hardly had time to unpack his case in the Whitehouse!! What next- peace prize for Blair and Bush in Iraq!!!
Serbia’s decision not to attend the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony on Friday has caused concern and protests in Belgrade and all European institutions.
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Sorry to read that. Did these same people also get upset when Athisaari got his award and demonstrated it the same way?
Did they expect Serbia to attend that one too?
Perhaps they should just move to the friendly US and see what they think about Serbs there.
“Serbian people know that awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to the Chinese dissident has nothing to do with peace,” he pointed out.
Literally, he's right. But since there's no Nobel Prize for Human Rights, the Peace Prize is often awarded to persons/organizations who peacefully stand up for human rights , fight for minority rights and so on.
The Serbs are doing this retarded act only to save them selfs when the time comes to give the Nobel to Serb dissidents.
That is the childish argument of all who are not attending, nice group :D
(Drownotherday, 9 December 2010 11:09)
Amen to your comment.
I porpose Natasha Kandic to get Noble price next time around. This lady stood against the biggest criminals and exposed them for what they are, in her own country.
Serbia’s decision not to attend the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony on Friday has caused concern and protests in Belgrade and all European institutions.
===================
Sorry to read that. Did these same people also get upset when Athisaari got his award and demonstrated it the same way?
Did they expect Serbia to attend that one too?
Perhaps they should just move to the friendly US and see what they think about Serbs there.
"Yes, this has nothing to do with peace. In fact it is the opposite as attempting to introduce "democracy" is a recipe for unrest. Why does China need an opposition party, which will undoubtedly be financed by the west? "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 11:09)
That's why there have been peace in EX-YU, under Tito, when people who didn't agree with that repressive system were sent straight to some prison isand. And there has been peace in the Soviet Union. And in former East Germany, where the whole population has been under constant superivsion of the STASI secret service, without freedom to travel. The question is: Do you prefer to live peacefully, in a state that provides a minimal standard of living, without rights and with suppression instead of a democracy where you have human rights?
As long as Russia & China are allies, we must support China, yet another great nation offering more stable alternatives to failed Liberal Democracy
(highduke, 9 December 2010 10:36)
I definitely wouldn't want to live in a liberal democracy, especially one that wasn't my own country, would you highduke? I said, would you? Hullo? Anyone there...?
Oh dear the EU aren't happy- what are they going to do? bomb the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade again? LOL!!! and I agree with you Peggy there weren't complaints about Astirri- The Nobel prize is worthless anyway- it's just been political for years Obama winning the peace prize when he hardly had time to unpack his case in the Whitehouse!! What next- peace prize for Blair and Bush in Iraq!!!
“On the other hand, we think that awarding of the Nobel Prize to the Chinese dissident has nothing to do with peace and human rights,” said Wei.
--
Absolutely, what does this have to do with peace? China is already at peace. It is the world's fastest growing economy when also considering it has the world's largest population. It is a strong country with many ethnic groups and one that is prospering and developing in a huge way.
Yes, this has nothing to do with peace. In fact it is the opposite as attempting to introduce "democracy" is a recipe for unrest. Why does China need an opposition party, which will undoubtedly be financed by the west?
The Noble peace prize has lost all credibility and is now awarded to loyal western subjects that have failed or ended up in jail and receive this consolation prize for their efforts. Marti Ahtisaari with his plan falls into that category also.
You should rather become a Jannisary and plunder + rape some stupid pravoslavs. Much more fun, isn't it?
(Je¿ janczarny su³tana Murata, 9 December 2010 16:13)
Heh heh. The thing about Milos was that he fought the Turk on Serbian land, in defence of Serbian land. He didn't sit in his bedroom in Cari Grad whining about how Car Lazar was an Ottoman agent. Unlike some little kids I could mention :-)
"Come on Top, you can do better than that. I came to Yugoslavia during its communist days and I live in Serbia now. There isn't a big difference in quality of life. In fact, I would even say people were happier back in the communist days."
Probably true. People felt safer, without fear for the future, the state was caring - as long as you agree with everything. General living standards (housing, cars, technical equipment) were lower. Happiness is determined by many factors. Wasn't there a survey that a high percentage of the people in Macedonia preferred the good old times?
"China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda?"
You are right if you think a high growth rate means "prosperous". What people sometimes forget is the level which it's based on. With a GDP of $5.963 per capita your can calculate yourself how many decades they will need until the average of the EU ($30.494) is reached, even with an annual growth rate of 10%.
As a lot of people here always praise the BRIC states: What about Brasil and India? Both "prosperous" according to your definition, both democracies, the latter with a lot of poverty, though.
"Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?"
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 14:55)
Surely it is. But please check Amnesty or Wikipedia for the numbers: (2009) China: at least 1700 (estimated 5000), Iran: at least 388 Saudi Ariabia: at least 120, and the USA: 52.
Now Iran is a democracy but the West isn't happy? Saudia Arabia has a repressive regime but the west is happy? China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda? Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 14:55)
If you think Iran is democratic, then most of the world population inculding myself must be living in a another planet.
wow,wow,wow, I am speachless.
Come on Top, you can do better than that. I came to Yugoslavia during its communist days and I live in Serbia now. There isn't a big difference in quality of life. In fact, I would even say people were happier back in the communist days.
Now Iran is a democracy but the West isn't happy? Saudia Arabia has a repressive regime but the west is happy? China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda? Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?
I definitely wouldn't want to live in a liberal democracy, especially one that wasn't my own country, would you highduke? I said, would you? Hullo? Anyone there...?
(Milos Obilic, 9 December 2010 14:59)
Got your sarcasm, LOL. Let me add some more.
Milos - you are criminal. You not just resisting the friendly Ottoman army - you even probably ready to kill the poor Sultan Murat who loves Serbs and is innocent like a newborn sheep. Bad guy. You should rather listen to benevolent authorities and Dear Leader Sultan instead of killing him. The future of Balkans does belong to Ottomans. The idiotic Serbian human right activists like you or like Sindelic destroy the future and undermine the benevolent efforts of Ottoman Dear Leader. You should rather become a Jannisary and plunder + rape some stupid pravoslavs. Much more fun, isn't it?
“The Chinese dissident was requesting a change of political system in our country and we think that the Serbian people know best that awarding of the Nobel Prize to him has nothing to do with peace,” the Chinese ambassador explained.
-- It is about peace if the political system uses tanks to crush people in Tienanmen square. Then it is very much about peace, requesting the end of the system that crushes civilians with tanks, is very much about peace.
Maybe you should do some research and find out that the latest elections in Iran are likely to have been fraud elections with a lot of irregularities...
(Top, 9 December 2010 22:48)
--
No kidding? Don't stop at Iran, look at so-called democracies throughout the world. There seem to be irregularities in elections everywhere. A bit George W Bush gaining power.
"Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 19:24)
Maybe you should do some research and find out that the latest elections in Iran are likely to have been fraud elections with a lot of irregularities...
If you think Iran is democratic, then most of the world population inculding myself must be living in a another planet.
wow,wow,wow, I am speachless.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 December 2010 18:04)
--
Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. You can say the same about certain parts of the US.
OK, so they have a Supreme leader, who is responsible for the army but Britain has the Queen, who has a similar responsibility. No one elects the queen but Britian is still regarded as a democratic country. In Iran the Supreme Leader can be removed and replaced but the King or Queen in the UK cannot.
Serbia is just as Lib-Dem as the West except that we're at the stage the West was in the 60s. It'll be worth living in when we implement a Putinist system in a decade, instead of stalling until we get into the EU. Plus it's easier to watch foreigners fully degenerated by modernity than your own kind just starting to take the poison
-- It is about peace if the political system uses tanks to crush people in Tienanmen square. Then it is very much about peace, requesting the end of the system that crushes civilians with tanks, is very much about peace.
(johny, 9 December 2010 21:38)
Thanks johny, as always. the blindly pro communist/fascist propaganda here is just too much. you want to live in that crap, go move there, and see what happens when you dare to mouth off...
"Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 19:24)
Hitler was elected through democratic elections...are you also arguing that Nazi Germany was a democracy?
Do keep in mind Hitler killed 20mn Russian, 6mn Jews, 1mn gays, blacks, disabled, etc.
That's why there have been peace in EX-YU, under Tito, when people who didn't agree with that repressive system were sent straight to some prison isand. And there has been peace in the Soviet Union. And in former East Germany, where the whole population has been under constant superivsion of the STASI secret service, without freedom to travel. The question is: Do you prefer to live peacefully, in a state that provides a minimal standard of living, without rights and with suppression instead of a democracy where you have human rights?
(Top, 9 December 2010 14:00)
RESPONSE:
Speaking of minimal rights and hard life, isnt China the strongest economy in the world at the moment? I dont see why something that isnt broken needs fixing...
I forgot to add to my last comment that US was broke all the way until second world war kicked off and US started making weapons which created jobs because it was a democracy, then and only then did they realize that they had to keep warring to stay affloat...since second world war they have been warring without a stop but still undoubtedly falling lower and lower down the drain...at the moment US owes money to all "COMMUNIST" nations yall are refferring to... including Russia and China
Speaking of minimal rights and hard life, isnt China the strongest economy in the world at the moment? I dont see why something that isnt broken needs fixing...
(Velibor, 10 December 2010 16:59)
Well, with the average Chinese citizen being poorer even compared to the average Albanian citizen.... I don't know; you tell us if that's can be described as "strongest economy" !
Oh dear the EU aren't happy- what are they going to do? bomb the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade again? LOL!!! and I agree with you Peggy there weren't complaints about Astirri- The Nobel prize is worthless anyway- it's just been political for years Obama winning the peace prize when he hardly had time to unpack his case in the Whitehouse!! What next- peace prize for Blair and Bush in Iraq!!!
“On the other hand, we think that awarding of the Nobel Prize to the Chinese dissident has nothing to do with peace and human rights,” said Wei.
--
Absolutely, what does this have to do with peace? China is already at peace. It is the world's fastest growing economy when also considering it has the world's largest population. It is a strong country with many ethnic groups and one that is prospering and developing in a huge way.
Yes, this has nothing to do with peace. In fact it is the opposite as attempting to introduce "democracy" is a recipe for unrest. Why does China need an opposition party, which will undoubtedly be financed by the west?
The Noble peace prize has lost all credibility and is now awarded to loyal western subjects that have failed or ended up in jail and receive this consolation prize for their efforts. Marti Ahtisaari with his plan falls into that category also.
Serbia’s decision not to attend the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony on Friday has caused concern and protests in Belgrade and all European institutions.
===================
Sorry to read that. Did these same people also get upset when Athisaari got his award and demonstrated it the same way?
Did they expect Serbia to attend that one too?
Perhaps they should just move to the friendly US and see what they think about Serbs there.
Serbia is just as Lib-Dem as the West except that we're at the stage the West was in the 60s. It'll be worth living in when we implement a Putinist system in a decade, instead of stalling until we get into the EU. Plus it's easier to watch foreigners fully degenerated by modernity than your own kind just starting to take the poison
Come on Top, you can do better than that. I came to Yugoslavia during its communist days and I live in Serbia now. There isn't a big difference in quality of life. In fact, I would even say people were happier back in the communist days.
Now Iran is a democracy but the West isn't happy? Saudia Arabia has a repressive regime but the west is happy? China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda? Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?
The Serbs are doing this retarded act only to save them selfs when the time comes to give the Nobel to Serb dissidents.
That is the childish argument of all who are not attending, nice group :D
(Drownotherday, 9 December 2010 11:09)
Amen to your comment.
I porpose Natasha Kandic to get Noble price next time around. This lady stood against the biggest criminals and exposed them for what they are, in her own country.
Maybe you should do some research and find out that the latest elections in Iran are likely to have been fraud elections with a lot of irregularities...
(Top, 9 December 2010 22:48)
--
No kidding? Don't stop at Iran, look at so-called democracies throughout the world. There seem to be irregularities in elections everywhere. A bit George W Bush gaining power.
If you think Iran is democratic, then most of the world population inculding myself must be living in a another planet.
wow,wow,wow, I am speachless.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 December 2010 18:04)
--
Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. You can say the same about certain parts of the US.
OK, so they have a Supreme leader, who is responsible for the army but Britain has the Queen, who has a similar responsibility. No one elects the queen but Britian is still regarded as a democratic country. In Iran the Supreme Leader can be removed and replaced but the King or Queen in the UK cannot.
“Serbian people know that awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to the Chinese dissident has nothing to do with peace,” he pointed out.
Literally, he's right. But since there's no Nobel Prize for Human Rights, the Peace Prize is often awarded to persons/organizations who peacefully stand up for human rights , fight for minority rights and so on.
Now Iran is a democracy but the West isn't happy? Saudia Arabia has a repressive regime but the west is happy? China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda? Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 14:55)
If you think Iran is democratic, then most of the world population inculding myself must be living in a another planet.
wow,wow,wow, I am speachless.
As long as Russia & China are allies, we must support China, yet another great nation offering more stable alternatives to failed Liberal Democracy
(highduke, 9 December 2010 10:36)
I definitely wouldn't want to live in a liberal democracy, especially one that wasn't my own country, would you highduke? I said, would you? Hullo? Anyone there...?
I definitely wouldn't want to live in a liberal democracy, especially one that wasn't my own country, would you highduke? I said, would you? Hullo? Anyone there...?
(Milos Obilic, 9 December 2010 14:59)
Got your sarcasm, LOL. Let me add some more.
Milos - you are criminal. You not just resisting the friendly Ottoman army - you even probably ready to kill the poor Sultan Murat who loves Serbs and is innocent like a newborn sheep. Bad guy. You should rather listen to benevolent authorities and Dear Leader Sultan instead of killing him. The future of Balkans does belong to Ottomans. The idiotic Serbian human right activists like you or like Sindelic destroy the future and undermine the benevolent efforts of Ottoman Dear Leader. You should rather become a Jannisary and plunder + rape some stupid pravoslavs. Much more fun, isn't it?
“The Chinese dissident was requesting a change of political system in our country and we think that the Serbian people know best that awarding of the Nobel Prize to him has nothing to do with peace,” the Chinese ambassador explained.
-- It is about peace if the political system uses tanks to crush people in Tienanmen square. Then it is very much about peace, requesting the end of the system that crushes civilians with tanks, is very much about peace.
"Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 19:24)
Maybe you should do some research and find out that the latest elections in Iran are likely to have been fraud elections with a lot of irregularities...
-- It is about peace if the political system uses tanks to crush people in Tienanmen square. Then it is very much about peace, requesting the end of the system that crushes civilians with tanks, is very much about peace.
(johny, 9 December 2010 21:38)
Thanks johny, as always. the blindly pro communist/fascist propaganda here is just too much. you want to live in that crap, go move there, and see what happens when you dare to mouth off...
"Yes, this has nothing to do with peace. In fact it is the opposite as attempting to introduce "democracy" is a recipe for unrest. Why does China need an opposition party, which will undoubtedly be financed by the west? "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 11:09)
That's why there have been peace in EX-YU, under Tito, when people who didn't agree with that repressive system were sent straight to some prison isand. And there has been peace in the Soviet Union. And in former East Germany, where the whole population has been under constant superivsion of the STASI secret service, without freedom to travel. The question is: Do you prefer to live peacefully, in a state that provides a minimal standard of living, without rights and with suppression instead of a democracy where you have human rights?
"Come on Top, you can do better than that. I came to Yugoslavia during its communist days and I live in Serbia now. There isn't a big difference in quality of life. In fact, I would even say people were happier back in the communist days."
Probably true. People felt safer, without fear for the future, the state was caring - as long as you agree with everything. General living standards (housing, cars, technical equipment) were lower. Happiness is determined by many factors. Wasn't there a survey that a high percentage of the people in Macedonia preferred the good old times?
"China is communist and also one of the most prosperous countries in the world. What are the benefits of a two party democracy that essentially push the same agenda?"
You are right if you think a high growth rate means "prosperous". What people sometimes forget is the level which it's based on. With a GDP of $5.963 per capita your can calculate yourself how many decades they will need until the average of the EU ($30.494) is reached, even with an annual growth rate of 10%.
As a lot of people here always praise the BRIC states: What about Brasil and India? Both "prosperous" according to your definition, both democracies, the latter with a lot of poverty, though.
"Every system has its flaws and it's more about the way it's implemented. Human rights violations aren't determined by the ruling system but generally about local tolerance. The US still has the death penalty. Isn't that a violation of human right?"
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 14:55)
Surely it is. But please check Amnesty or Wikipedia for the numbers: (2009) China: at least 1700 (estimated 5000), Iran: at least 388 Saudi Ariabia: at least 120, and the USA: 52.
"Well, perhaps you should do some research. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected through democratic elections so democracy is part of the system but so is theocracy. "
(Zoran, 9 December 2010 19:24)
Hitler was elected through democratic elections...are you also arguing that Nazi Germany was a democracy?
Do keep in mind Hitler killed 20mn Russian, 6mn Jews, 1mn gays, blacks, disabled, etc.
You should rather become a Jannisary and plunder + rape some stupid pravoslavs. Much more fun, isn't it?
(Je¿ janczarny su³tana Murata, 9 December 2010 16:13)
Heh heh. The thing about Milos was that he fought the Turk on Serbian land, in defence of Serbian land. He didn't sit in his bedroom in Cari Grad whining about how Car Lazar was an Ottoman agent. Unlike some little kids I could mention :-)
That's why there have been peace in EX-YU, under Tito, when people who didn't agree with that repressive system were sent straight to some prison isand. And there has been peace in the Soviet Union. And in former East Germany, where the whole population has been under constant superivsion of the STASI secret service, without freedom to travel. The question is: Do you prefer to live peacefully, in a state that provides a minimal standard of living, without rights and with suppression instead of a democracy where you have human rights?
(Top, 9 December 2010 14:00)
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Speaking of minimal rights and hard life, isnt China the strongest economy in the world at the moment? I dont see why something that isnt broken needs fixing...
I forgot to add to my last comment that US was broke all the way until second world war kicked off and US started making weapons which created jobs because it was a democracy, then and only then did they realize that they had to keep warring to stay affloat...since second world war they have been warring without a stop but still undoubtedly falling lower and lower down the drain...at the moment US owes money to all "COMMUNIST" nations yall are refferring to... including Russia and China
Speaking of minimal rights and hard life, isnt China the strongest economy in the world at the moment? I dont see why something that isnt broken needs fixing...
(Velibor, 10 December 2010 16:59)
Well, with the average Chinese citizen being poorer even compared to the average Albanian citizen.... I don't know; you tell us if that's can be described as "strongest economy" !
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