"Don't boycott Nobel Prize ceremony"

Serbia is one of 19 countries which will boycott this year’s ceremony of Nobel Peace Prize which will be awarded to the Chinese dissident. Serbia is returning a favor to China which boycotted Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for Martti Ahtisaari in 2008. B92

Now;

Filip David, Saša Ilić, Mirko Đorđević, Mirjana Miočinović, Nenad Prokić, Predrag Čudić, Ibrahim Hadžić, Milan Đorđević, Milica Jovanović, Irena Javorski, Srdan Srdić, Borivoje Adašević, Dragoljub Stanković, Vladimir Arsenić, Miloš Živanović and Tomislav Marković have to read upper copy/paste modification. If they're not understanding, after all- they should become dissidents themselves and go away from the country. We have hardliners supporting now days government in interest of Serbia's future and we don't need knives in the back from our own people.. Go away if you don't like and stay in line for next Nobel prize, being equally supported by a Chinese "winner" for the one of 5.000.000 different "better China" philosophies.

Losers.

Actually, we should boycott any Nobel prize ONLY because of Nikola Tesla case/controversy/shame. If humanism was the slightest principle our man would take 5 Nobel prizes and not be FORCED to be equivalent of some Edison-scam and loser, elephant killer..,etc. Of course he never wanted to accept that., those were times of higher human values.

“At the same time we request from Serbia to ask China to release Nobel Prize winner’s family members from house arrest and take the path of respect for human rights,” it is said in the YUCOM letter.
--
It's not up to the Serbian government to lecture China about the treatment of this person's family members when the Serbian government itself is harassing members of Mladic's and Hadzic's family on behalf of the west.

Can somebody tell me which direction is Serbia heading when in the same week as the Serbia’s former leader Slobodan Milosevic was ranked 19th most dictatorial figure in history (together with Hitler and Stalin etc) became the 19th country not to attend the Nobel Prise ceremony for human rights prise. Coincidence! I do not think so.

RE; Nobel Farce Prize

The Nobel peace prize has become a political motivated event?

(1) Barack Obama-The man is barely in power and is awarded the prize: for what??? Getting elected?

(2) Atisarri- Awarded the Noble Peace Price for the failed Atisarri plan which led to the burning of over 100 Serbian Orthodox Churches and the ethnic cleansing of close to 100,000 Serbs during the March pogram in 2004 by Albanian extremists.

(3) Al Gore-

The "Environmentalist" who dropped depleted Uranian bombs in Serbia and Kosovo and used banned cluster bombs outlawed by the Geneva convention.

The recipients have accepted awareds against the consitution of the Nobel Peace Prize itself, a humanitarian does not authorize war and terror on any civilian population.

There is genuine hope for Serbia when you read articles like this. Standing up for human rights , democracy and non violence should be a position of principle and taken regardless of petty poltical issues. The writers and lawyers who have shown true courage here are a slap in the face to the backward and ignorant extremist posters here , who's rants too often paint a distorted picture of Serbia full of backward , ignorant and paranoid nationalists.
Well done , this pricinpled stance illustrates the true promise Serbia has and the rest of the world supports.

There is genuine hope for Serbia when you read articles like this. Standing up for human rights , democracy and non violence should be a position of principle and taken regardless of petty poltical issues. The writers and lawyers who have shown true courage here are a slap in the face to the backward and ignorant extremist posters here , who's rants too often paint a distorted picture of Serbia full of backward , ignorant and paranoid nationalists.
Well done , this pricinpled stance illustrates the true promise Serbia has and the rest of the world supports.
(truthiness, 8 December 2010 19:50)

Sure but these kind of people who write these letters have never been in charge in Serbia and never been supported and voted to lead Serbia. Instead it has always been the backward, ignorant and paranoid nationalists; always. Jeremic and Tadic are no different. The only difference here is that the US and NATO is there with boots on the ground and these ignorant, backward and paranoid nationalists have their hands tied and can't do anything about it.

Can somebody tell me which direction is Serbia heading?
(Mr Q, 8 December 2010 17:33)

^Tokyo^

-Sure but these kind of people who write these letters have never been in charge in Serbia and never been supported and voted to lead Serbia. Instead it has always been the backward, ignorant and paranoid nationalists; always. Jeremic and Tadic are no different. The only difference here is that the US and NATO is there with boots on the ground and these ignorant, backward and paranoid nationalists have their hands tied and can't do anything about it.
(johny, 8 December 2010 22:13) -

Funny, i wrote something very much like this last night, but it "disappeared." i guess i don't have yr sophisticated diplomatic skills, johny, or your media cache :)

The thing is, i know some of these Serbian human rights advocates, and they're really amazing and incredible people. highly principled, they are not hacks or puppets for anyone (that's just a cheap lie.) they march to their own drummer, and pay a very high price for it indeed.

a dissident knows what he or she has to do, they don't have to be told by anyone.

and now the issue is yet another dissident suppressed, this one in china, but there are so many more, heis the tip of the iceberg. these countries have vast networks of camps for political prisons, "reeducation" camps, prisons, whatever. we can either acknowledge it, or close our eyes to these "internal" matters. i know what my response is, what our response should be. no one has to tell us, to give us their permission.

since i can remember, at least since the 60s, there have always been men and women who would point to inequities in the US, hypocritical behavior of people in the west to "prove" that there's no such thing as human rights, no such thing as humanitarian values, no such thing as right or wrong. everything is relative, everyone is bad, who cares, self-preservation, bla bla bla.

on the other hand, there have always been those men and women who have fought for human rights, however they term it, in their own way, with their own words.
with dignity and courage, often at great personal risk.

so thank you, members of yucom, keep going, keep working, keep speaking up. never give in -- never give up.

robert-o
frisco

I need a bucket every time I read a statement from a Human Rights group. These people are nothing but western puppets. I suggest that you guys go and protest against real matters of concern not this rubbish.

The US government attacks Wiki Leaks website and “oh it nothing but business as usual and not a peep out of these clowns”, but when the Chinese do the same well all hell breaks loose and it’s the end of civilisation.

I need a bucket every time I read a statement from a Human Rights group. These people are nothing but western puppets. I suggest that you guys go and protest against real matters of concern not this rubbish...

(sj, 8 December 2010 21:45)

yea like freeing Seselj and , like ummm like stop harassing Mladic. Yeh you know , the important stuff!

yes sj , the nerve of those selfish people all around the world who sacrifuce their time , effort and in many cases thier freedom , so you can be free to show the world you own stupidity.

There is genuine hope for Serbia when you read articles like this. Standing up for human rights , democracy and non violence should be a position of principle and taken regardless of petty poltical issues.
(truthiness, 8 December 2010 19:50)

Yes. Morale is one thing. State interests are an other thing. Way to often they have nothing to do with each other. This is the case when I applaud what this group of lawyers did. They did it right and as a PRIVATE PERSON I would do the same.

Now if I am the head of the state, I would do THE SAME what Serbia did. There is no such thing as "morale" at the political level.

Step back. Every Albanian here hailed Behgjet Pacolli for bribing some exotic islands into Kosovo recognitions. Nelli from Canada was even boosting that no need to look at moral issues. If she was right, than now Serbia is right.

Who gave her the many "+" now should be consistent and give the most "nationalistic" Serbian posters the same number of "+"-s, let's be consistent after all.

As far as my opinion - I stick to it: Liu Xiaobo DID DESERVE THE PRIZE.

Regardless, that some stinky decisions were made in the past by the Nobel Prize committee. Regardless, that the Nobel price became a joke and political tool.

Because all that has NOTHING to do: did he deserve it or not.

---

To Serbs: would you give that money to relatives of Serbs murdered by Albanian mob during 2004 pogrom all over Kosovo? I know the answer. Of course if Nobel Prize Committee would decide to give them the money I would say the same. I fail to see a major difference between what Liu Xiaobo is suffering and what these people were killed for.

And of course I would not expect "Western" countries to attend.

---

OK, probably I have a funny imagination and entertain you with all kind of bizarre hedgehogs. Take care!

yea like freeing Seselj and , like ummm like stop harassing Mladic. Yeh you know , the important stuff!

yes sj , the nerve of those selfish people all around the world who sacrifuce their time , effort and in many cases thier freedom , so you can be free to show the world you own stupidity.
(truthiness, 9 December 2010 00:00)

If your that silly to believe this human right crap please continue, but in my many years on this earth I have never seen human rights people defend anyone that did not sing the praises of the west so you know where you can put your human rights nonsense.
Where is your beloved Amnesty International in regard to Julian Assange? Instead of defending free speech it in fact criticized him.
I’ll continue to show my stupidity, as you call it, but your diminished intellectual capacity will never improve. In fact you show to the world just how silly you are with mentioning Seselj – the freedom and democratic loving Tribunal has not a shred of evidence against this man, but it keeps him locked up. Tell me which court system allows this to happen?

It's not up to the Serbian government to lecture China about the treatment of this person's family members when the Serbian government itself is harassing members of Mladic's and Hadzic's family on behalf of the west.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 18:08)
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Spot on.
At least Tadic is not being hypocritical here.

Where is your beloved Amnesty International in regard to Julian Assange?
(sj, 9 December 2010 13:00)

Why, what's the problem with Assange that he needs the Amnesty International to support him ?


In fact you show to the world just how silly you are with mentioning Seselj – the freedom and democratic loving Tribunal has not a shred of evidence against this man, but it keeps him locked up. Tell me which court system allows this to happen?
(sj, 9 December 2010 13:00)

"Not a shred of evidence" ?!

Please read:

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/seselj/ind/en/ses-ii030115e.pdf

For more information, please read:

http://www.icty.org/case/seselj

"Not a shred of evidence" ?!

Please read:

[link]

For more information, please read:

[link]
(icj1, 11 December 2010 19:25)


RE: "Proof"

If you have read the trancripts you would see their indeed is no proof, just heresay and cirumstantial evidence and no witnesses the prosecutor arguments have been clearly rebuffed.

If you have read the trancripts you would see their indeed is no proof, just heresay and cirumstantial evidence and no witnesses the prosecutor arguments have been clearly rebuffed.
(Jugoslavija, 13 December 2010 22:02)

First of all, circumstantial evidence is usually the best. But, of course, you should have studied criminal law to know that.

Second, that evidence was sufficient for a judge appointed by the international community (inlcuding Russia and China), to order his arrest. If the eviodence was garbage, no warrant would have been issued.

There is genuine hope for Serbia when you read articles like this. Standing up for human rights , democracy and non violence should be a position of principle and taken regardless of petty poltical issues. The writers and lawyers who have shown true courage here are a slap in the face to the backward and ignorant extremist posters here , who's rants too often paint a distorted picture of Serbia full of backward , ignorant and paranoid nationalists.
Well done , this pricinpled stance illustrates the true promise Serbia has and the rest of the world supports.

“At the same time we request from Serbia to ask China to release Nobel Prize winner’s family members from house arrest and take the path of respect for human rights,” it is said in the YUCOM letter.
--
It's not up to the Serbian government to lecture China about the treatment of this person's family members when the Serbian government itself is harassing members of Mladic's and Hadzic's family on behalf of the west.

Serbia is one of 19 countries which will boycott this year’s ceremony of Nobel Peace Prize which will be awarded to the Chinese dissident. Serbia is returning a favor to China which boycotted Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for Martti Ahtisaari in 2008. B92

Now;

Filip David, Saša Ilić, Mirko Đorđević, Mirjana Miočinović, Nenad Prokić, Predrag Čudić, Ibrahim Hadžić, Milan Đorđević, Milica Jovanović, Irena Javorski, Srdan Srdić, Borivoje Adašević, Dragoljub Stanković, Vladimir Arsenić, Miloš Živanović and Tomislav Marković have to read upper copy/paste modification. If they're not understanding, after all- they should become dissidents themselves and go away from the country. We have hardliners supporting now days government in interest of Serbia's future and we don't need knives in the back from our own people.. Go away if you don't like and stay in line for next Nobel prize, being equally supported by a Chinese "winner" for the one of 5.000.000 different "better China" philosophies.

Losers.

Actually, we should boycott any Nobel prize ONLY because of Nikola Tesla case/controversy/shame. If humanism was the slightest principle our man would take 5 Nobel prizes and not be FORCED to be equivalent of some Edison-scam and loser, elephant killer..,etc. Of course he never wanted to accept that., those were times of higher human values.

Can somebody tell me which direction is Serbia heading when in the same week as the Serbia’s former leader Slobodan Milosevic was ranked 19th most dictatorial figure in history (together with Hitler and Stalin etc) became the 19th country not to attend the Nobel Prise ceremony for human rights prise. Coincidence! I do not think so.

I need a bucket every time I read a statement from a Human Rights group. These people are nothing but western puppets. I suggest that you guys go and protest against real matters of concern not this rubbish.

The US government attacks Wiki Leaks website and “oh it nothing but business as usual and not a peep out of these clowns”, but when the Chinese do the same well all hell breaks loose and it’s the end of civilisation.

There is genuine hope for Serbia when you read articles like this. Standing up for human rights , democracy and non violence should be a position of principle and taken regardless of petty poltical issues. The writers and lawyers who have shown true courage here are a slap in the face to the backward and ignorant extremist posters here , who's rants too often paint a distorted picture of Serbia full of backward , ignorant and paranoid nationalists.
Well done , this pricinpled stance illustrates the true promise Serbia has and the rest of the world supports.
(truthiness, 8 December 2010 19:50)

Sure but these kind of people who write these letters have never been in charge in Serbia and never been supported and voted to lead Serbia. Instead it has always been the backward, ignorant and paranoid nationalists; always. Jeremic and Tadic are no different. The only difference here is that the US and NATO is there with boots on the ground and these ignorant, backward and paranoid nationalists have their hands tied and can't do anything about it.

-Sure but these kind of people who write these letters have never been in charge in Serbia and never been supported and voted to lead Serbia. Instead it has always been the backward, ignorant and paranoid nationalists; always. Jeremic and Tadic are no different. The only difference here is that the US and NATO is there with boots on the ground and these ignorant, backward and paranoid nationalists have their hands tied and can't do anything about it.
(johny, 8 December 2010 22:13) -

Funny, i wrote something very much like this last night, but it "disappeared." i guess i don't have yr sophisticated diplomatic skills, johny, or your media cache :)

The thing is, i know some of these Serbian human rights advocates, and they're really amazing and incredible people. highly principled, they are not hacks or puppets for anyone (that's just a cheap lie.) they march to their own drummer, and pay a very high price for it indeed.

a dissident knows what he or she has to do, they don't have to be told by anyone.

and now the issue is yet another dissident suppressed, this one in china, but there are so many more, heis the tip of the iceberg. these countries have vast networks of camps for political prisons, "reeducation" camps, prisons, whatever. we can either acknowledge it, or close our eyes to these "internal" matters. i know what my response is, what our response should be. no one has to tell us, to give us their permission.

since i can remember, at least since the 60s, there have always been men and women who would point to inequities in the US, hypocritical behavior of people in the west to "prove" that there's no such thing as human rights, no such thing as humanitarian values, no such thing as right or wrong. everything is relative, everyone is bad, who cares, self-preservation, bla bla bla.

on the other hand, there have always been those men and women who have fought for human rights, however they term it, in their own way, with their own words.
with dignity and courage, often at great personal risk.

so thank you, members of yucom, keep going, keep working, keep speaking up. never give in -- never give up.

robert-o
frisco

RE; Nobel Farce Prize

The Nobel peace prize has become a political motivated event?

(1) Barack Obama-The man is barely in power and is awarded the prize: for what??? Getting elected?

(2) Atisarri- Awarded the Noble Peace Price for the failed Atisarri plan which led to the burning of over 100 Serbian Orthodox Churches and the ethnic cleansing of close to 100,000 Serbs during the March pogram in 2004 by Albanian extremists.

(3) Al Gore-

The "Environmentalist" who dropped depleted Uranian bombs in Serbia and Kosovo and used banned cluster bombs outlawed by the Geneva convention.

The recipients have accepted awareds against the consitution of the Nobel Peace Prize itself, a humanitarian does not authorize war and terror on any civilian population.

Can somebody tell me which direction is Serbia heading?
(Mr Q, 8 December 2010 17:33)

^Tokyo^

yea like freeing Seselj and , like ummm like stop harassing Mladic. Yeh you know , the important stuff!

yes sj , the nerve of those selfish people all around the world who sacrifuce their time , effort and in many cases thier freedom , so you can be free to show the world you own stupidity.
(truthiness, 9 December 2010 00:00)

If your that silly to believe this human right crap please continue, but in my many years on this earth I have never seen human rights people defend anyone that did not sing the praises of the west so you know where you can put your human rights nonsense.
Where is your beloved Amnesty International in regard to Julian Assange? Instead of defending free speech it in fact criticized him.
I’ll continue to show my stupidity, as you call it, but your diminished intellectual capacity will never improve. In fact you show to the world just how silly you are with mentioning Seselj – the freedom and democratic loving Tribunal has not a shred of evidence against this man, but it keeps him locked up. Tell me which court system allows this to happen?

I need a bucket every time I read a statement from a Human Rights group. These people are nothing but western puppets. I suggest that you guys go and protest against real matters of concern not this rubbish...

(sj, 8 December 2010 21:45)

yea like freeing Seselj and , like ummm like stop harassing Mladic. Yeh you know , the important stuff!

yes sj , the nerve of those selfish people all around the world who sacrifuce their time , effort and in many cases thier freedom , so you can be free to show the world you own stupidity.

It's not up to the Serbian government to lecture China about the treatment of this person's family members when the Serbian government itself is harassing members of Mladic's and Hadzic's family on behalf of the west.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 18:08)
=====================

Spot on.
At least Tadic is not being hypocritical here.

There is genuine hope for Serbia when you read articles like this. Standing up for human rights , democracy and non violence should be a position of principle and taken regardless of petty poltical issues.
(truthiness, 8 December 2010 19:50)

Yes. Morale is one thing. State interests are an other thing. Way to often they have nothing to do with each other. This is the case when I applaud what this group of lawyers did. They did it right and as a PRIVATE PERSON I would do the same.

Now if I am the head of the state, I would do THE SAME what Serbia did. There is no such thing as "morale" at the political level.

Step back. Every Albanian here hailed Behgjet Pacolli for bribing some exotic islands into Kosovo recognitions. Nelli from Canada was even boosting that no need to look at moral issues. If she was right, than now Serbia is right.

Who gave her the many "+" now should be consistent and give the most "nationalistic" Serbian posters the same number of "+"-s, let's be consistent after all.

As far as my opinion - I stick to it: Liu Xiaobo DID DESERVE THE PRIZE.

Regardless, that some stinky decisions were made in the past by the Nobel Prize committee. Regardless, that the Nobel price became a joke and political tool.

Because all that has NOTHING to do: did he deserve it or not.

---

To Serbs: would you give that money to relatives of Serbs murdered by Albanian mob during 2004 pogrom all over Kosovo? I know the answer. Of course if Nobel Prize Committee would decide to give them the money I would say the same. I fail to see a major difference between what Liu Xiaobo is suffering and what these people were killed for.

And of course I would not expect "Western" countries to attend.

---

OK, probably I have a funny imagination and entertain you with all kind of bizarre hedgehogs. Take care!

Where is your beloved Amnesty International in regard to Julian Assange?
(sj, 9 December 2010 13:00)

Why, what's the problem with Assange that he needs the Amnesty International to support him ?


In fact you show to the world just how silly you are with mentioning Seselj – the freedom and democratic loving Tribunal has not a shred of evidence against this man, but it keeps him locked up. Tell me which court system allows this to happen?
(sj, 9 December 2010 13:00)

"Not a shred of evidence" ?!

Please read:

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/seselj/ind/en/ses-ii030115e.pdf

For more information, please read:

http://www.icty.org/case/seselj

"Not a shred of evidence" ?!

Please read:

[link]

For more information, please read:

[link]
(icj1, 11 December 2010 19:25)


RE: "Proof"

If you have read the trancripts you would see their indeed is no proof, just heresay and cirumstantial evidence and no witnesses the prosecutor arguments have been clearly rebuffed.

If you have read the trancripts you would see their indeed is no proof, just heresay and cirumstantial evidence and no witnesses the prosecutor arguments have been clearly rebuffed.
(Jugoslavija, 13 December 2010 22:02)

First of all, circumstantial evidence is usually the best. But, of course, you should have studied criminal law to know that.

Second, that evidence was sufficient for a judge appointed by the international community (inlcuding Russia and China), to order his arrest. If the eviodence was garbage, no warrant would have been issued.