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Wednesday, 08.12.2010.

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FM on Nobel snub and ties with China

Serbia pays special attention to the protection of human rights, but the bilateral relations with China represent one of Serbia's highest national interests.

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Zoti

pre 13 godina

Little does he know that Serbs will never accept to be slaves, freedom or death is what Serbs fought for and died for from the fields of blackbirds in Kosovo to the killing fields of Albania and Corfu during WWI.

(Jugoslavija, 8 December 2010)


24hrs: what a difference do they make :)

icj1

pre 13 godina

Supporting continued integration between the BRIC countries in Serbia's best interest. They are obviously the future and none of them recognize Kosovo as anything but Serbian.
(Nikola, 8 December 2010 18:33)

Yeah, and they do it out of their great love for Serbia… ha, ha, ha


BRIC is the future, all 4 of those countries would be very interested in boosting cooperations in all levels. The Indian Ambassador to Serbia even said India would like deeper cooperation but its on the part of Belgrade to welcome that. The leaders however are too caught up in reading off the EU playbook and unfortunatly India or any BRIC countries are not mentioned in it.

Open your eyes people..BRICS!
(Nikola, 8 December 2010 18:33)

Yeah, let me know when that future comes, if we are still around by then:).

I would also suggest that you call an all millions of immigrants from the poor world to open their eyes and go to the BRICS with the bright future and not to the countries without future like the European ones and the USA.

icj1

pre 13 godina

Vuk continues to make the same error over and over again. He still has not understood that what happens with Kosovo is not going to be decided by China or Russia, or America, but by Europe.

Immagine if Serbia had focused its attention to Europe and had become an EU member; would Kosovo's UDI have been possible ?

But Serbia choose to ignore Europe and dream that Russia or China would help Serbia on the Kosovo issue. Of course they helped... with declarations ! Because, other than that, there was nothing they could do. I'm sure Albanians hope for Vuk to continue as Serbia's FM forever and implement these brilliant policies :)

icj1

pre 13 godina

Maybe you should look at Julian Assange. He is now a political prisoner with prominent US politicians calling for his death. Basically, he is your version of Liu Xiaobo.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Any proof for what you say about Assange ?


China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Can you elaborate on Liu Xiaobo's threats to the order of China ? As far as I know he advocated the right of freedom of speech which is given to citizens by China's constitution. Since when is a threat to any country the advocating of what the constitution says ?!


The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

"the spread of democracy isn't there to help the people"… Wooooow !!!! that's a nice statement


You see, Russia in not attending this event also and who would call them servile?
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

No, because Russia has ceased being a democracy a long time ago. But we thought differently about Serbia.


It looks like China is ready to take centre stage and calling on its partners to support it. What choice does Serbia have? KiM is protected through Russia and China and in that case independence is irreversibly blocked. If we team up with the west, as we have read through Wikileaks and comments coming from the UK, Kosovo will be lost so the choice is a no brainer. That is the reason ethnic Albanians are here criticising Serbia. They know that if we team up with the East, and it will happen, that "Kosova" will never, and I mean never, become independent.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

What China (or for that matter Russia or America want) about Kosovo is irrelevant. Hasn’t Serbia still learned that is Europe that calls the shots ?


Serbia has made the right choice.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Yeah, a very principled position :)

Aleks

pre 13 godina

So I guess Kacin does not, after all, want to join the 'Friends of Serbia' group of the European Parliament. Does that go for all the other slovenes in the EP too?

Well that didn't last long!

As is usually the case of such small countries, their bark is much worse than their bite! He is the Chihuahua
of the balkans, which in one sense is quite good because you can slip him under one arm and slip a gucci hand/manbag under the other and continue shopping!

Amer

pre 13 godina

" The US was singing the praises of the committee last year when Obama undeservedly got this prize, they are being quiet this time because perhaps Assange will get it year and US will be pressuring countries not to attend.

(Hugh, 8 December 2010 14:46) "

As a matter of fact, most US commentators were a little embarrassed when Obama was named, since he hadn't had time to do anything. There was a lot of talk about it being better for him to refuse it, but that would have been an insult to the committee. I think it was awarded out of relief that Bush was gone and hopes that Obama would be different, specifically, that he would consider Europe's views more carefully.

Djuro

pre 13 godina

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.
(gjilani, 8 December 2010 15:48)

What a dumb question! LOL
Technically Kosovo did boycott since it's legally a Serbian Province and legally Serbian territory--ask Jezh 1244-sky.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

LOL....now I've seen it all. A Slovenian lecturing Serbs about 'servility'. Please....from someone who comes from a long line of Austro-Hungarian lackeys....haha...that's rich!

Jezh Shwapski

pre 13 godina

Hell yeah!

Serbia has indeed taken the right choice.

In direct opposition of the EU/US.

It can only get better for Kosova.

Last week starting to bully with the EU (Jeremic vs Feith) and now this.

Hell of the job you are doing Serbia.

Keep up the good work.

The Eagle
(The Eagle, 8 December 2010 13:36)

How many new recognitions do you figure are gonna materialize for Kosovo as a direct result of recent Serbia's actions???

Don't sweat it--here is the answer below.

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Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

RE; "Servility"

Slovenians for the most part are great businessmen and for centuries have been friendly to the Serbs. Let us not forget it was the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes that forged the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Kacin has not only disgraced the Serbian people, but all South slavs and Europe for that matter with stupid undiplomatic comments. You dont' need Wilkileaks cable for Mr. Kacin......


Little does he know that Serbs will never accept to be slaves, freedom or death is what Serbs fought for and died for from the fields of blackbirds in Kosovo to the killing fields of Albania and Corfu during WWI.

Slovenia is a slave to the EU, Serbia is heading towards slavery but still has time to avoid it.

doodah

pre 13 godina

This decision was a no-brainer after those nobel idiots gave the prize to marti achosaari. I rejected those nobel awards after the gave a prize to algore, the self-claimed inventor of the information superhighway, and to hussein obama for doing nothing.
(JohnBoy, 8 December 2010 19:23)
Suddenly, the Noble Prize has just become more impressive!

kacinliar

pre 13 godina

"This move shows Serbia's general policy regarding human rights," Kacin stated, adding that he was "shocked by the decision". B92

Of course this was expected decision and of course Kacin was not "shocked" but he's rather willing to rise the tensions and harm Serbia at any oportunity.

Thanks God we are out of that stinky Yugoslavian company. Don't buy anything Slovenian!

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

This decision was a no-brainer after those nobel idiots gave the prize to marti achosaari. I rejected those nobel awards after the gave a prize to algore, the self-claimed inventor of the information superhighway, and to hussein obama for doing nothing.

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 16:19)

This coming from an uneducated man like yourself. 18% + 92%=110%
(Mark, 8 December 2010 17:51)

=====================================

What should I say now?

Should I admit to you that I mis-typed 1 instead 0 (zero) or..

THE 10 PERCENT IS EULEX!!!! ;P FY

Logic

pre 13 godina

Kacin is shocked,some people disappointed - Serbia's looking after her own interests! Same people and notably Mr. Kacin were applauding the recognition of the so called independence of the so-called state of "Kosova" announced by "we respect the territorial integrity and claims of Serbia, but we must protect the interests of our states in the first place". Look under your own carpet Mr.Kacin if it's too complicated for your own interests i.e interests of your state, to sift through someone else's load of trash.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

Supporting continued integration between the BRIC countries in Serbia's best interest. They are obviously the future and none of them recognize Kosovo as anything but Serbian. This despite the fact they see clearly the current leaders of Belgrade are covertly giving it up.

The current elite is only looking out for its own pockets. If you want to be selfish then enter the business world. Politics is for civil servants. The EU has no alternative bandwagon is failing.

BRIC is the future, all 4 of those countries would be very interested in boosting cooperations in all levels. The Indian Ambassador to Serbia even said India would like deeper cooperation but its on the part of Belgrade to welcome that. The leaders however are too caught up in reading off the EU playbook and unfortunatly India or any BRIC countries are not mentioned in it.

Open your eyes people..BRICS!

Mark

pre 13 godina

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 16:19)

This coming from an uneducated man like yourself. 18% + 92%=110%

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.
(gjilani, 8 December 2010 15:48)

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.

gjilani

pre 13 godina

Wow, unbeliveable! Serbian FM Jeremic comes from the DS (Democratic Party). DS rules Serbia. DS chairman and Serbian President Boris Tadic never stops referring to democracy. They boycotted the Nobel Prize!? I'm speechless!

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.

Hugh

pre 13 godina

He may as well have said "Serbia pays special attention to human rights protection, except when we need money", but at least he is being honest

Serbia is protecting its interests just as Russia and China are. The US was singing the praises of the committee last year when Obama undeservedly got this prize, they are being quiet this time because perhaps Assange will get it year and US will be pressuring countries not to attend. Russia is also well aware that Kasparov or another Russian could get this prize sometime in the near future
I think the Nobel committee would be not doing their job if they didnt upset someone :)

The Eagle

pre 13 godina

Hell yeah!

Serbia has indeed taken the right choice.

In direct opposition of the EU/US.

It can only get better for Kosova.

Last week starting to bully with the EU (Jeremic vs Feith) and now this.

Hell of the job you are doing Serbia.

Keep up the good work.

The Eagle

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Exactly. But does it mean to support this attitude, in any way?
-
Not really. It's the will of the people, if they are allowed to express their will at all...
-
At least they gave the right explanation: It was done solely done to please China, not to oppose human rights in general.
(Top, 8 December 2010 12:16)
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Top, national security is not a black and white issue so a yes or no answer cannot always be given. It's understandable that countries want to protect their interests and security.

The will of the people is definitely important and so is democracy but when we have meddling in other peoples affairs and lies being fed to them then what does that do to democracy? It is being eroded these days when representatives make decisions against the will of the people so does it really exist? The closest I have seen to true democracy is the system in Switzerland.

Anyway, you are correct. Serbia gave the right answer. It's a political decision not to attend a politically motivated award ceremony.

Top

pre 13 godina

"China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner."
Exactly. But does it mean to support this attitude, in any way?

"The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them. "
Not really. It's the will of the people, if they are allowed to express their will at all...

"Serbia has made the right choice."
At least they gave the right explanation: It was done solely done to please China, not to oppose human rights in general.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Ultan

pre 13 godina

The Serbian government has made the right decision in boycotting this ceremony. The Nobel committee has revealed, on several occasions, the politically subjective nature of its decisions. In 2008, it awarded the peace prize to the so-called diplomat, Martti Ahtisaari. And then to invite further controversy and ridicule, they handed it to Barack Obama the following year. China is a staunch supporter of Serbia’s territorial integrity, and shunning this Scandinavian circus should be a painless enough gesture of Belgrade’s gratitude.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Wow, what has this world come to when we have ethnic Albanians preaching Serbians about Human rights?

Maybe you should look at Julian Assange. He is now a political prisoner with prominent US politicians calling for his death. Basically, he is your version of Liu Xiaobo.

China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner. The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them.

You see, Russia in not attending this event also and who would call them servile? It looks like China is ready to take centre stage and calling on its partners to support it. What choice does Serbia have? KiM is protected through Russia and China and in that case independence is irreversibly blocked. If we team up with the west, as we have read through Wikileaks and comments coming from the UK, Kosovo will be lost so the choice is a no brainer. That is the reason ethnic Albanians are here criticising Serbia. They know that if we team up with the East, and it will happen, that "Kosova" will never, and I mean never, become independent.

Serbia has made the right choice.

Pz

pre 13 godina

"Serbia pays special attention to human rights protection, as demonstrated in the country itself. The protection of human rights is one of prerequisites for Serbia's European integration," Jeremić said…”

To me this shows how cheap Serbia has sold its credibility, which they have been trying so hard to improve for the benefit of a brighter future to its people.

Look what others think and how they see Serbias move to not attend:
"This move shows Serbia's general policy regarding human rights," Kacin stated, adding that he was "shocked by the decision".

I couldn’t agree more. Perfectly said!

zerb

pre 13 godina

After giving a Nobel prize to Ahsaarti however you spell his name, and then Obama and prior to both of them Henry Kissinger...why would they ever bother to show up ever again. The prize has lost all credibility.

truthiness

pre 13 godina

however Serbia decides to pursue her interests is her business , but be honest - Serbias ( or rather the FM/ Presidents decision)cannot but be seen as somewhat cowering to the dictates of China. Remebering that this Nobel winner has been awarded his prize by virtue of standing up for democracy , freedom and non violence , why would any decent person want to protest that. Not withstanding that China also regards the Dalai Lama as a terrorist ( go figure that out!?!?) - one must warn Serbia ; if you dance with the devil , you will eventually have to pay for the music.

PRN

pre 13 godina

"FM on Nobel snub and ties with China"

Human Rights in Serbia = Human Rights in China

Asking Belgrade for Western standard of Human Rights (or at least to come close to)is like asking Serbs to become a peaceful nation. Too much is too much!

Belgrade is comfortable with current inertia, and of course its famous allies.

Pz

pre 13 godina

"Serbia pays special attention to human rights protection, as demonstrated in the country itself. The protection of human rights is one of prerequisites for Serbia's European integration," Jeremić said…”

To me this shows how cheap Serbia has sold its credibility, which they have been trying so hard to improve for the benefit of a brighter future to its people.

Look what others think and how they see Serbias move to not attend:
"This move shows Serbia's general policy regarding human rights," Kacin stated, adding that he was "shocked by the decision".

I couldn’t agree more. Perfectly said!

Ultan

pre 13 godina

The Serbian government has made the right decision in boycotting this ceremony. The Nobel committee has revealed, on several occasions, the politically subjective nature of its decisions. In 2008, it awarded the peace prize to the so-called diplomat, Martti Ahtisaari. And then to invite further controversy and ridicule, they handed it to Barack Obama the following year. China is a staunch supporter of Serbia’s territorial integrity, and shunning this Scandinavian circus should be a painless enough gesture of Belgrade’s gratitude.

truthiness

pre 13 godina

however Serbia decides to pursue her interests is her business , but be honest - Serbias ( or rather the FM/ Presidents decision)cannot but be seen as somewhat cowering to the dictates of China. Remebering that this Nobel winner has been awarded his prize by virtue of standing up for democracy , freedom and non violence , why would any decent person want to protest that. Not withstanding that China also regards the Dalai Lama as a terrorist ( go figure that out!?!?) - one must warn Serbia ; if you dance with the devil , you will eventually have to pay for the music.

PRN

pre 13 godina

"FM on Nobel snub and ties with China"

Human Rights in Serbia = Human Rights in China

Asking Belgrade for Western standard of Human Rights (or at least to come close to)is like asking Serbs to become a peaceful nation. Too much is too much!

Belgrade is comfortable with current inertia, and of course its famous allies.

The Eagle

pre 13 godina

Hell yeah!

Serbia has indeed taken the right choice.

In direct opposition of the EU/US.

It can only get better for Kosova.

Last week starting to bully with the EU (Jeremic vs Feith) and now this.

Hell of the job you are doing Serbia.

Keep up the good work.

The Eagle

Mark

pre 13 godina

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 16:19)

This coming from an uneducated man like yourself. 18% + 92%=110%

zerb

pre 13 godina

After giving a Nobel prize to Ahsaarti however you spell his name, and then Obama and prior to both of them Henry Kissinger...why would they ever bother to show up ever again. The prize has lost all credibility.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Wow, what has this world come to when we have ethnic Albanians preaching Serbians about Human rights?

Maybe you should look at Julian Assange. He is now a political prisoner with prominent US politicians calling for his death. Basically, he is your version of Liu Xiaobo.

China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner. The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them.

You see, Russia in not attending this event also and who would call them servile? It looks like China is ready to take centre stage and calling on its partners to support it. What choice does Serbia have? KiM is protected through Russia and China and in that case independence is irreversibly blocked. If we team up with the west, as we have read through Wikileaks and comments coming from the UK, Kosovo will be lost so the choice is a no brainer. That is the reason ethnic Albanians are here criticising Serbia. They know that if we team up with the East, and it will happen, that "Kosova" will never, and I mean never, become independent.

Serbia has made the right choice.

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 16:19)

This coming from an uneducated man like yourself. 18% + 92%=110%
(Mark, 8 December 2010 17:51)

=====================================

What should I say now?

Should I admit to you that I mis-typed 1 instead 0 (zero) or..

THE 10 PERCENT IS EULEX!!!! ;P FY

Hugh

pre 13 godina

He may as well have said "Serbia pays special attention to human rights protection, except when we need money", but at least he is being honest

Serbia is protecting its interests just as Russia and China are. The US was singing the praises of the committee last year when Obama undeservedly got this prize, they are being quiet this time because perhaps Assange will get it year and US will be pressuring countries not to attend. Russia is also well aware that Kasparov or another Russian could get this prize sometime in the near future
I think the Nobel committee would be not doing their job if they didnt upset someone :)

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Exactly. But does it mean to support this attitude, in any way?
-
Not really. It's the will of the people, if they are allowed to express their will at all...
-
At least they gave the right explanation: It was done solely done to please China, not to oppose human rights in general.
(Top, 8 December 2010 12:16)
--
Top, national security is not a black and white issue so a yes or no answer cannot always be given. It's understandable that countries want to protect their interests and security.

The will of the people is definitely important and so is democracy but when we have meddling in other peoples affairs and lies being fed to them then what does that do to democracy? It is being eroded these days when representatives make decisions against the will of the people so does it really exist? The closest I have seen to true democracy is the system in Switzerland.

Anyway, you are correct. Serbia gave the right answer. It's a political decision not to attend a politically motivated award ceremony.

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.
(gjilani, 8 December 2010 15:48)

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.

gjilani

pre 13 godina

Wow, unbeliveable! Serbian FM Jeremic comes from the DS (Democratic Party). DS rules Serbia. DS chairman and Serbian President Boris Tadic never stops referring to democracy. They boycotted the Nobel Prize!? I'm speechless!

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

Supporting continued integration between the BRIC countries in Serbia's best interest. They are obviously the future and none of them recognize Kosovo as anything but Serbian. This despite the fact they see clearly the current leaders of Belgrade are covertly giving it up.

The current elite is only looking out for its own pockets. If you want to be selfish then enter the business world. Politics is for civil servants. The EU has no alternative bandwagon is failing.

BRIC is the future, all 4 of those countries would be very interested in boosting cooperations in all levels. The Indian Ambassador to Serbia even said India would like deeper cooperation but its on the part of Belgrade to welcome that. The leaders however are too caught up in reading off the EU playbook and unfortunatly India or any BRIC countries are not mentioned in it.

Open your eyes people..BRICS!

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

RE; "Servility"

Slovenians for the most part are great businessmen and for centuries have been friendly to the Serbs. Let us not forget it was the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes that forged the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Kacin has not only disgraced the Serbian people, but all South slavs and Europe for that matter with stupid undiplomatic comments. You dont' need Wilkileaks cable for Mr. Kacin......


Little does he know that Serbs will never accept to be slaves, freedom or death is what Serbs fought for and died for from the fields of blackbirds in Kosovo to the killing fields of Albania and Corfu during WWI.

Slovenia is a slave to the EU, Serbia is heading towards slavery but still has time to avoid it.

Top

pre 13 godina

"China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner."
Exactly. But does it mean to support this attitude, in any way?

"The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them. "
Not really. It's the will of the people, if they are allowed to express their will at all...

"Serbia has made the right choice."
At least they gave the right explanation: It was done solely done to please China, not to oppose human rights in general.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Logic

pre 13 godina

Kacin is shocked,some people disappointed - Serbia's looking after her own interests! Same people and notably Mr. Kacin were applauding the recognition of the so called independence of the so-called state of "Kosova" announced by "we respect the territorial integrity and claims of Serbia, but we must protect the interests of our states in the first place". Look under your own carpet Mr.Kacin if it's too complicated for your own interests i.e interests of your state, to sift through someone else's load of trash.

kacinliar

pre 13 godina

"This move shows Serbia's general policy regarding human rights," Kacin stated, adding that he was "shocked by the decision". B92

Of course this was expected decision and of course Kacin was not "shocked" but he's rather willing to rise the tensions and harm Serbia at any oportunity.

Thanks God we are out of that stinky Yugoslavian company. Don't buy anything Slovenian!

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

This decision was a no-brainer after those nobel idiots gave the prize to marti achosaari. I rejected those nobel awards after the gave a prize to algore, the self-claimed inventor of the information superhighway, and to hussein obama for doing nothing.

doodah

pre 13 godina

This decision was a no-brainer after those nobel idiots gave the prize to marti achosaari. I rejected those nobel awards after the gave a prize to algore, the self-claimed inventor of the information superhighway, and to hussein obama for doing nothing.
(JohnBoy, 8 December 2010 19:23)
Suddenly, the Noble Prize has just become more impressive!

Djuro

pre 13 godina

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.
(gjilani, 8 December 2010 15:48)

What a dumb question! LOL
Technically Kosovo did boycott since it's legally a Serbian Province and legally Serbian territory--ask Jezh 1244-sky.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

LOL....now I've seen it all. A Slovenian lecturing Serbs about 'servility'. Please....from someone who comes from a long line of Austro-Hungarian lackeys....haha...that's rich!

icj1

pre 13 godina

Supporting continued integration between the BRIC countries in Serbia's best interest. They are obviously the future and none of them recognize Kosovo as anything but Serbian.
(Nikola, 8 December 2010 18:33)

Yeah, and they do it out of their great love for Serbia… ha, ha, ha


BRIC is the future, all 4 of those countries would be very interested in boosting cooperations in all levels. The Indian Ambassador to Serbia even said India would like deeper cooperation but its on the part of Belgrade to welcome that. The leaders however are too caught up in reading off the EU playbook and unfortunatly India or any BRIC countries are not mentioned in it.

Open your eyes people..BRICS!
(Nikola, 8 December 2010 18:33)

Yeah, let me know when that future comes, if we are still around by then:).

I would also suggest that you call an all millions of immigrants from the poor world to open their eyes and go to the BRICS with the bright future and not to the countries without future like the European ones and the USA.

Aleks

pre 13 godina

So I guess Kacin does not, after all, want to join the 'Friends of Serbia' group of the European Parliament. Does that go for all the other slovenes in the EP too?

Well that didn't last long!

As is usually the case of such small countries, their bark is much worse than their bite! He is the Chihuahua
of the balkans, which in one sense is quite good because you can slip him under one arm and slip a gucci hand/manbag under the other and continue shopping!

icj1

pre 13 godina

Maybe you should look at Julian Assange. He is now a political prisoner with prominent US politicians calling for his death. Basically, he is your version of Liu Xiaobo.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Any proof for what you say about Assange ?


China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Can you elaborate on Liu Xiaobo's threats to the order of China ? As far as I know he advocated the right of freedom of speech which is given to citizens by China's constitution. Since when is a threat to any country the advocating of what the constitution says ?!


The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

"the spread of democracy isn't there to help the people"… Wooooow !!!! that's a nice statement


You see, Russia in not attending this event also and who would call them servile?
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

No, because Russia has ceased being a democracy a long time ago. But we thought differently about Serbia.


It looks like China is ready to take centre stage and calling on its partners to support it. What choice does Serbia have? KiM is protected through Russia and China and in that case independence is irreversibly blocked. If we team up with the west, as we have read through Wikileaks and comments coming from the UK, Kosovo will be lost so the choice is a no brainer. That is the reason ethnic Albanians are here criticising Serbia. They know that if we team up with the East, and it will happen, that "Kosova" will never, and I mean never, become independent.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

What China (or for that matter Russia or America want) about Kosovo is irrelevant. Hasn’t Serbia still learned that is Europe that calls the shots ?


Serbia has made the right choice.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Yeah, a very principled position :)

Jezh Shwapski

pre 13 godina

Hell yeah!

Serbia has indeed taken the right choice.

In direct opposition of the EU/US.

It can only get better for Kosova.

Last week starting to bully with the EU (Jeremic vs Feith) and now this.

Hell of the job you are doing Serbia.

Keep up the good work.

The Eagle
(The Eagle, 8 December 2010 13:36)

How many new recognitions do you figure are gonna materialize for Kosovo as a direct result of recent Serbia's actions???

Don't sweat it--here is the answer below.

9

icj1

pre 13 godina

Vuk continues to make the same error over and over again. He still has not understood that what happens with Kosovo is not going to be decided by China or Russia, or America, but by Europe.

Immagine if Serbia had focused its attention to Europe and had become an EU member; would Kosovo's UDI have been possible ?

But Serbia choose to ignore Europe and dream that Russia or China would help Serbia on the Kosovo issue. Of course they helped... with declarations ! Because, other than that, there was nothing they could do. I'm sure Albanians hope for Vuk to continue as Serbia's FM forever and implement these brilliant policies :)

Amer

pre 13 godina

" The US was singing the praises of the committee last year when Obama undeservedly got this prize, they are being quiet this time because perhaps Assange will get it year and US will be pressuring countries not to attend.

(Hugh, 8 December 2010 14:46) "

As a matter of fact, most US commentators were a little embarrassed when Obama was named, since he hadn't had time to do anything. There was a lot of talk about it being better for him to refuse it, but that would have been an insult to the committee. I think it was awarded out of relief that Bush was gone and hopes that Obama would be different, specifically, that he would consider Europe's views more carefully.

Zoti

pre 13 godina

Little does he know that Serbs will never accept to be slaves, freedom or death is what Serbs fought for and died for from the fields of blackbirds in Kosovo to the killing fields of Albania and Corfu during WWI.

(Jugoslavija, 8 December 2010)


24hrs: what a difference do they make :)

PRN

pre 13 godina

"FM on Nobel snub and ties with China"

Human Rights in Serbia = Human Rights in China

Asking Belgrade for Western standard of Human Rights (or at least to come close to)is like asking Serbs to become a peaceful nation. Too much is too much!

Belgrade is comfortable with current inertia, and of course its famous allies.

truthiness

pre 13 godina

however Serbia decides to pursue her interests is her business , but be honest - Serbias ( or rather the FM/ Presidents decision)cannot but be seen as somewhat cowering to the dictates of China. Remebering that this Nobel winner has been awarded his prize by virtue of standing up for democracy , freedom and non violence , why would any decent person want to protest that. Not withstanding that China also regards the Dalai Lama as a terrorist ( go figure that out!?!?) - one must warn Serbia ; if you dance with the devil , you will eventually have to pay for the music.

Ultan

pre 13 godina

The Serbian government has made the right decision in boycotting this ceremony. The Nobel committee has revealed, on several occasions, the politically subjective nature of its decisions. In 2008, it awarded the peace prize to the so-called diplomat, Martti Ahtisaari. And then to invite further controversy and ridicule, they handed it to Barack Obama the following year. China is a staunch supporter of Serbia’s territorial integrity, and shunning this Scandinavian circus should be a painless enough gesture of Belgrade’s gratitude.

The Eagle

pre 13 godina

Hell yeah!

Serbia has indeed taken the right choice.

In direct opposition of the EU/US.

It can only get better for Kosova.

Last week starting to bully with the EU (Jeremic vs Feith) and now this.

Hell of the job you are doing Serbia.

Keep up the good work.

The Eagle

zerb

pre 13 godina

After giving a Nobel prize to Ahsaarti however you spell his name, and then Obama and prior to both of them Henry Kissinger...why would they ever bother to show up ever again. The prize has lost all credibility.

Mark

pre 13 godina

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 16:19)

This coming from an uneducated man like yourself. 18% + 92%=110%

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Wow, what has this world come to when we have ethnic Albanians preaching Serbians about Human rights?

Maybe you should look at Julian Assange. He is now a political prisoner with prominent US politicians calling for his death. Basically, he is your version of Liu Xiaobo.

China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner. The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them.

You see, Russia in not attending this event also and who would call them servile? It looks like China is ready to take centre stage and calling on its partners to support it. What choice does Serbia have? KiM is protected through Russia and China and in that case independence is irreversibly blocked. If we team up with the west, as we have read through Wikileaks and comments coming from the UK, Kosovo will be lost so the choice is a no brainer. That is the reason ethnic Albanians are here criticising Serbia. They know that if we team up with the East, and it will happen, that "Kosova" will never, and I mean never, become independent.

Serbia has made the right choice.

Pz

pre 13 godina

"Serbia pays special attention to human rights protection, as demonstrated in the country itself. The protection of human rights is one of prerequisites for Serbia's European integration," Jeremić said…”

To me this shows how cheap Serbia has sold its credibility, which they have been trying so hard to improve for the benefit of a brighter future to its people.

Look what others think and how they see Serbias move to not attend:
"This move shows Serbia's general policy regarding human rights," Kacin stated, adding that he was "shocked by the decision".

I couldn’t agree more. Perfectly said!

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.
(gjilani, 8 December 2010 15:48)

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.

gjilani

pre 13 godina

Wow, unbeliveable! Serbian FM Jeremic comes from the DS (Democratic Party). DS rules Serbia. DS chairman and Serbian President Boris Tadic never stops referring to democracy. They boycotted the Nobel Prize!? I'm speechless!

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Exactly. But does it mean to support this attitude, in any way?
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Not really. It's the will of the people, if they are allowed to express their will at all...
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At least they gave the right explanation: It was done solely done to please China, not to oppose human rights in general.
(Top, 8 December 2010 12:16)
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Top, national security is not a black and white issue so a yes or no answer cannot always be given. It's understandable that countries want to protect their interests and security.

The will of the people is definitely important and so is democracy but when we have meddling in other peoples affairs and lies being fed to them then what does that do to democracy? It is being eroded these days when representatives make decisions against the will of the people so does it really exist? The closest I have seen to true democracy is the system in Switzerland.

Anyway, you are correct. Serbia gave the right answer. It's a political decision not to attend a politically motivated award ceremony.

ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Kosovo boycotted the Nobel already with 18% of Serbs/others, rest of 92% of population is heavily uneducated and doesn't know what's Nobel so we don't count them.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 16:19)

This coming from an uneducated man like yourself. 18% + 92%=110%
(Mark, 8 December 2010 17:51)

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What should I say now?

Should I admit to you that I mis-typed 1 instead 0 (zero) or..

THE 10 PERCENT IS EULEX!!!! ;P FY

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

RE; "Servility"

Slovenians for the most part are great businessmen and for centuries have been friendly to the Serbs. Let us not forget it was the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes that forged the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Kacin has not only disgraced the Serbian people, but all South slavs and Europe for that matter with stupid undiplomatic comments. You dont' need Wilkileaks cable for Mr. Kacin......


Little does he know that Serbs will never accept to be slaves, freedom or death is what Serbs fought for and died for from the fields of blackbirds in Kosovo to the killing fields of Albania and Corfu during WWI.

Slovenia is a slave to the EU, Serbia is heading towards slavery but still has time to avoid it.

Hugh

pre 13 godina

He may as well have said "Serbia pays special attention to human rights protection, except when we need money", but at least he is being honest

Serbia is protecting its interests just as Russia and China are. The US was singing the praises of the committee last year when Obama undeservedly got this prize, they are being quiet this time because perhaps Assange will get it year and US will be pressuring countries not to attend. Russia is also well aware that Kasparov or another Russian could get this prize sometime in the near future
I think the Nobel committee would be not doing their job if they didnt upset someone :)

Nikola

pre 13 godina

Supporting continued integration between the BRIC countries in Serbia's best interest. They are obviously the future and none of them recognize Kosovo as anything but Serbian. This despite the fact they see clearly the current leaders of Belgrade are covertly giving it up.

The current elite is only looking out for its own pockets. If you want to be selfish then enter the business world. Politics is for civil servants. The EU has no alternative bandwagon is failing.

BRIC is the future, all 4 of those countries would be very interested in boosting cooperations in all levels. The Indian Ambassador to Serbia even said India would like deeper cooperation but its on the part of Belgrade to welcome that. The leaders however are too caught up in reading off the EU playbook and unfortunatly India or any BRIC countries are not mentioned in it.

Open your eyes people..BRICS!

Top

pre 13 godina

"China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner."
Exactly. But does it mean to support this attitude, in any way?

"The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them. "
Not really. It's the will of the people, if they are allowed to express their will at all...

"Serbia has made the right choice."
At least they gave the right explanation: It was done solely done to please China, not to oppose human rights in general.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Logic

pre 13 godina

Kacin is shocked,some people disappointed - Serbia's looking after her own interests! Same people and notably Mr. Kacin were applauding the recognition of the so called independence of the so-called state of "Kosova" announced by "we respect the territorial integrity and claims of Serbia, but we must protect the interests of our states in the first place". Look under your own carpet Mr.Kacin if it's too complicated for your own interests i.e interests of your state, to sift through someone else's load of trash.

kacinliar

pre 13 godina

"This move shows Serbia's general policy regarding human rights," Kacin stated, adding that he was "shocked by the decision". B92

Of course this was expected decision and of course Kacin was not "shocked" but he's rather willing to rise the tensions and harm Serbia at any oportunity.

Thanks God we are out of that stinky Yugoslavian company. Don't buy anything Slovenian!

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

This decision was a no-brainer after those nobel idiots gave the prize to marti achosaari. I rejected those nobel awards after the gave a prize to algore, the self-claimed inventor of the information superhighway, and to hussein obama for doing nothing.

doodah

pre 13 godina

This decision was a no-brainer after those nobel idiots gave the prize to marti achosaari. I rejected those nobel awards after the gave a prize to algore, the self-claimed inventor of the information superhighway, and to hussein obama for doing nothing.
(JohnBoy, 8 December 2010 19:23)
Suddenly, the Noble Prize has just become more impressive!

icj1

pre 13 godina

Vuk continues to make the same error over and over again. He still has not understood that what happens with Kosovo is not going to be decided by China or Russia, or America, but by Europe.

Immagine if Serbia had focused its attention to Europe and had become an EU member; would Kosovo's UDI have been possible ?

But Serbia choose to ignore Europe and dream that Russia or China would help Serbia on the Kosovo issue. Of course they helped... with declarations ! Because, other than that, there was nothing they could do. I'm sure Albanians hope for Vuk to continue as Serbia's FM forever and implement these brilliant policies :)

icj1

pre 13 godina

Maybe you should look at Julian Assange. He is now a political prisoner with prominent US politicians calling for his death. Basically, he is your version of Liu Xiaobo.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Any proof for what you say about Assange ?


China is not a democracy, it is a communist country and anyone who threatens the order of any country, whether it's China or the US is generally considered a security threat and becomes a political prisoner.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Can you elaborate on Liu Xiaobo's threats to the order of China ? As far as I know he advocated the right of freedom of speech which is given to citizens by China's constitution. Since when is a threat to any country the advocating of what the constitution says ?!


The spread of democracy isn't there to help the people, it's there to give the west an opportunity to control countries through opposition parties. We have seen it all around the world - in the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia and lots of places but we are also noticing a shift away from the West and that is worrying them.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

"the spread of democracy isn't there to help the people"… Wooooow !!!! that's a nice statement


You see, Russia in not attending this event also and who would call them servile?
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

No, because Russia has ceased being a democracy a long time ago. But we thought differently about Serbia.


It looks like China is ready to take centre stage and calling on its partners to support it. What choice does Serbia have? KiM is protected through Russia and China and in that case independence is irreversibly blocked. If we team up with the west, as we have read through Wikileaks and comments coming from the UK, Kosovo will be lost so the choice is a no brainer. That is the reason ethnic Albanians are here criticising Serbia. They know that if we team up with the East, and it will happen, that "Kosova" will never, and I mean never, become independent.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

What China (or for that matter Russia or America want) about Kosovo is irrelevant. Hasn’t Serbia still learned that is Europe that calls the shots ?


Serbia has made the right choice.
(Zoran, 8 December 2010 11:39)

Yeah, a very principled position :)

Djuro

pre 13 godina

I'm just wondering how B92 comentators react had Kosovo boycotted the Nobel.
(gjilani, 8 December 2010 15:48)

What a dumb question! LOL
Technically Kosovo did boycott since it's legally a Serbian Province and legally Serbian territory--ask Jezh 1244-sky.

Jezh Shwapski

pre 13 godina

Hell yeah!

Serbia has indeed taken the right choice.

In direct opposition of the EU/US.

It can only get better for Kosova.

Last week starting to bully with the EU (Jeremic vs Feith) and now this.

Hell of the job you are doing Serbia.

Keep up the good work.

The Eagle
(The Eagle, 8 December 2010 13:36)

How many new recognitions do you figure are gonna materialize for Kosovo as a direct result of recent Serbia's actions???

Don't sweat it--here is the answer below.

9

Dragan

pre 13 godina

LOL....now I've seen it all. A Slovenian lecturing Serbs about 'servility'. Please....from someone who comes from a long line of Austro-Hungarian lackeys....haha...that's rich!

Amer

pre 13 godina

" The US was singing the praises of the committee last year when Obama undeservedly got this prize, they are being quiet this time because perhaps Assange will get it year and US will be pressuring countries not to attend.

(Hugh, 8 December 2010 14:46) "

As a matter of fact, most US commentators were a little embarrassed when Obama was named, since he hadn't had time to do anything. There was a lot of talk about it being better for him to refuse it, but that would have been an insult to the committee. I think it was awarded out of relief that Bush was gone and hopes that Obama would be different, specifically, that he would consider Europe's views more carefully.

Aleks

pre 13 godina

So I guess Kacin does not, after all, want to join the 'Friends of Serbia' group of the European Parliament. Does that go for all the other slovenes in the EP too?

Well that didn't last long!

As is usually the case of such small countries, their bark is much worse than their bite! He is the Chihuahua
of the balkans, which in one sense is quite good because you can slip him under one arm and slip a gucci hand/manbag under the other and continue shopping!

icj1

pre 13 godina

Supporting continued integration between the BRIC countries in Serbia's best interest. They are obviously the future and none of them recognize Kosovo as anything but Serbian.
(Nikola, 8 December 2010 18:33)

Yeah, and they do it out of their great love for Serbia… ha, ha, ha


BRIC is the future, all 4 of those countries would be very interested in boosting cooperations in all levels. The Indian Ambassador to Serbia even said India would like deeper cooperation but its on the part of Belgrade to welcome that. The leaders however are too caught up in reading off the EU playbook and unfortunatly India or any BRIC countries are not mentioned in it.

Open your eyes people..BRICS!
(Nikola, 8 December 2010 18:33)

Yeah, let me know when that future comes, if we are still around by then:).

I would also suggest that you call an all millions of immigrants from the poor world to open their eyes and go to the BRICS with the bright future and not to the countries without future like the European ones and the USA.

Zoti

pre 13 godina

Little does he know that Serbs will never accept to be slaves, freedom or death is what Serbs fought for and died for from the fields of blackbirds in Kosovo to the killing fields of Albania and Corfu during WWI.

(Jugoslavija, 8 December 2010)


24hrs: what a difference do they make :)