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Tuesday, 07.12.2010.

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Serbia to boycott Nobel ceremony

Serbia is among the countries that will boycott this year's Nobel Peace Prize ceremony, according to the BBC.

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icj1

pre 13 godina

Oh yes, human rights, like the US State Department ordering its government workers not to read any WikiLeaks. Something that is already of public domain. What next from Big Brother DC, mind control of all Americans?
(winston, 7 December 2010 16:40)

Please clarify… During business hours or not? Because if it’s during business hours, of course it’s the employer who pays you to do what the employer tells you to do.


see that the real future is China, Russia, India, etc., and not the decaying West.
(winston, 7 December 2010 16:40)

It’s strange that millions of people from poor countries spend fortunes and risk their lives (not like you that speak from the confort of your home and don’t have anything at stake) to go to the “decaying West” and not the Chinese and Russian paradises. But what do they know; they must be stupid… you know much better.


We should form our own version. BRIC & the Non-Alligned are 3/4 of the world
(highduke, 7 December 2010 17:28)

To do what ?! Guys come to your senses…. We are no longer in the 70s; Yugoslavia no longer exist; “not aligned” means little these days. Everybody is not aligned; in case you have not heard the news of the last 20 years…


Looks like you finally figured it all out EA. Anything done in politics is done for political reasons.
(trudsaam, 7 December 2010 18:08)

Where did the words “principled position” go ?!... We heard them over, and over, and over in the last few years.


You realise the west represents about 1 billion of the 6 billion people in the world? China alone has more people, however, when we combine all of our allies, China, India, Russia, Brazil and the others, you are right, we have the overwhelming majority on our side.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

And then what ?!!!! There are billions of insects in the world, even more than the Chinese or the entire homo sapiens population; does that mean anything ?

It’s the quality that matters, not the quantity. Would you prefer to be 1 of the 1.3 billion Chinese or 1 of the 500 thousand Luxembourgers ?

As for the majority on your side … Yes, you do have it; there is small problem though, that it is the majority that does not count for the Serbia-Kosovo issue. But I’m sure it’s important for your moral support :)


Once the east becomes the world leader, it will be a very long feast for those who are prepared. There is no chance the west will ever compete again but perhaps it may become a junior partner once it gets its act together.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

You got it; they are going to cooperate just fine as they do know. UK is much smaller than US; nobody has seen a problem out of that; they are good partners.

In 5 to 10 years, this will become much more clear. China will surpass the technological advantage of the west in a few years. That is when everything changes.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

Yeah, let us know when that happens …


Gore should be tried for war crimes nleashing bombs contrary to the mission of the Nobel Peace Price which is not a credible organization, but turning into a political one.
(Jugoslavija, 7 December 2010 20:55)

Please provide proof that a war crime was committed and that was Gore who committed it as defined by the international humanitarian law.


What's best for China is China's internal affair and we have some obligations and respect to that, as everyone should.

Our support is generated on the base of friendship and Chinese support toward us. So simple.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 10:10)

Best for China’s people or China’s rulers ? Are you friends with China’s people or China’s rulers ?


Apologies, I should say "Taiwan is one of the most prosperous areas to live in Asia". It's legally part of China and not a country.
(Je¿ tajwañski, 8 December 2010 16:59)

People care about the reality not paper (assuming you are right that Taiwan is legally part of China on paper).

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ben

pre 13 godina

fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.
(Black River Hajduk, 8 December 2010 22:19)

yes they fo hand by hand, don’t they ?? so many things in common values, history...

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ben

pre 13 godina

United Hypocrisy of the West salutes U!
(Alex, 9 December 2010 21:26)

If Assange was a Chinese he would have been dead.

United intellect of West salutes U!

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alex

pre 13 godina

Bravo Serbia for this decision! We have seen during and after the war in Kosovo what human rights mean to western european countries: nothing else than hypocrisy followed by blackmailing! When once war was the continuation of diplomacy but with other means (Clausewitz) so the human rights are today the justification for war where diplomacy failed!

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Alex

pre 13 godina

By the way: if Julian Assange was a chinese who revealed secrets about the chinese and/or russian diplomacy and army he would have been since a long time a very hot candidate for the nobel prize for peace, invited to dozens of talk-shows on stupid american channels and a hero of the western "free" world. But autsch, he is not chinese...
United Hypocrisy of the West salutes U!

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Je¿ rosyjski

pre 13 godina

Did you mean 苏联刺猬 instead of 刺猬苏联??
Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍
(Mi Ai Z)

Of course, one is the hedgehog, the other is where the hedgehog is from. As said, my Chinese is very poor - but I know, that "苏联" is not some Anglo-Saxon place.

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And do tell me where you ate ya cai bao spicy?

Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍
(Mi Ai Z

Probably the best baozi I had was in Xining, early morning, waiting for the train to Golmud. Not very small, pretty spicy - but I like it, full with glass noodles and vegetables and everything you can imagine. Very good. I really hate the way the screw up them in TWN, in Taibei they are greasy, not much phantasy inside - and after steaming baozi they kill it by grilling it. It has to have all the juice inside, what Taiwanese do with it is cruel.

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The adventure with the car was true too, not joking. I arrived at the CKS airport and since I was on the business travel with better money allowance - I just rented a car, that was a Toyota for TWN market. Later on my friend asked me, do I want her to call a taxi for me. I told her, I am driving. She almost passed out, LOL. At the end nothing happened, no ticket and no damage.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

pre 13 godina

And the army of the hedgehogs now has a new member - 刺猬 苏联 They marching on!
(Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 )

Did you mean 苏联刺猬 instead of 刺猬苏联??

And do tell me where you ate ya cai bao spicy? As far as I know, ya cai bao isn't spicy at all. It isn't sold anywhere here as spicy, and I live in Sichuan.

Maybe you ate ya cai ''xiao''... Hahaha! Ya cai xiao...I made a funny.


Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍

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Je¿ diksowy

pre 13 godina

redneck Yank munching a large hamburger in his Alabama trailer home.
(Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 ), 9 December 2010 02:41)

1) Hihihihi - no one noticed the tongue-in-cheek? That creature in Alabama is for sure not Yank but Dixie.

2) I won the bet both times!!! Thank you San Francisco, my next vacation is not sure yet where. That means, I have to drink two glasses of горілка today. To tell the truth, I was somewhat desperate yesterday that we won't see the San Francisco fog coming down on B92. But ultimately it happened. Not here, but in an other related thread.

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Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 )

pre 13 godina

People in Taiwan do not want to be anything other than Chinese.
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 20:11)

BTW - they are split on that, there is some tension between "mainlanders" (moved there after 1949) and "native". I feel, "native" are in the minority.

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The idea of 'democracy' that would initially make China ''better'' is the democracy made up by the Anglo-American establishment bent on monetary world domination.
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 20:11)

I do not define 'democracy'. I intentionally avoided that word. It is over-abused.

My questions are very simple. The problem is, that you expect an argument. A properly asked question IS the argument. And an unanswered question IS an answer, too.

You made some assumptions tough which need to be addressed. Sorry. ;-)

Assumption #1: "Benevolent state - hilarious. Especially coming form someone sitting in the West. I lol'd."

I did LOL-d too, about "sitting in the West". Do you see my IP address? No.

a) Luckily everyone here knows where I am sitting.
b) Luckily everyone here knows, am I "Western" or not.
c) Unfortunately the "Benevolent state" concept is not that hilarious. I was brainwashed from kindergarten with that concept through good half of my life.

OK, the Assumption #2:

"instead of regurgitating what TV told you about Taiwan and China."

I don't claim to be an expert on Taiwan and China. My Chinese is extremely limited and poor, shame on me, limited to few phrases and very minimal is what I can read. It does not mean, all information I have is from TV because I don't watch TV at all.

But I can tell you: I will hold my own against you with two things:

a) how fast drive a car from 中正國際機場 to 花蓮市 without getting lost, without GPS and without traffic tickets.

b) the amount of 芽菜包 I can eat. The most spicy ones, too. My favorite, much better than the Taiwanese or Cantonese versions.

Sorry (done both). And sorry, you hoped to catch a redneck Yank munching a large hamburger in his Alabama trailer home. You got someone else. OK, now let's continue in earnest. Now you know that I know that you know what I know.

And the army of the hedgehogs now has a new member - 刺猬 苏联 They marching on!

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uli

pre 13 godina

CG- My grandfather Sotir Bano, was a Partizan and fought together with Albanians Communist and Yugoslavs against Hitler. So, get your facts straight. There were albanians that did not sided with Hitler and those Albanians did won the war.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"I fail to see any major differences between Aung San Suu Kyi and Liu Xiaobo, except the gender. She is hailed here, so more consistence would not hurt. Both are fighting the same kind of fight Serbs did fight for centuries.


(Pálinkás Ёжи, 8 December 2010 00:20) "

The point was that in other cases, there have been family members who were allowed to attend the ceremony (Elena Bonner, remember?), or who were already abroad and thus able to attend. In Liu Xiaobo's case, his wife is apparently being held under house arrest, or at least, incommunicado, and other Chinese who might have been able to speak in his place have been unable to leave the country. It's a new level of opposition to the prize, which will probably gain infinitely more prestige from the actions of the Chinese government than simply ignoring the whole affair would have.

What those "consequences" the Chinese are warning of will undoubtedly get discussed in diplomatic cables - now those would be interesting to see.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

That's the place. My father tells that on certain windy days one can hear Gypsy music leading Hajduk Veljko to battle, and some times battle cries. The first colt may father gave me was named after his horse--Kushlja(I cant even pronounce it correctly today). It is from father's stories and the music he used to play that fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.
(Black River Hajduk, 8 December 2010 22:19)

OK, there we are., let's misuse the Nobel subject a little, who cares anyway..

I'm touched a bit, I'd like to bring every single Serb - home.., except myself..

You're definitely in Krivi Vir- Rtanj- Zlot triangle, that's your "home" my friend. "One can hear.."., one can hear everything over there. Those stories contain mysticism and magic as a vehicle to transfer the truth from head to a head.. "Never to be forgotten.",- to be forgotten was the biggest nemesis to our identity and roots. If you ever go there you'll be amazed how many those stories you can hear., and when you hear the same- 50 km away- you'll be amazed how accurate those are. I suggest you to listen your father's stories just to confirm all if you ever go back. Krajina is land of rebels and mystic stories.

LOL., "they" were actually laying on the ground and speaking about mystic "gold stories" (two prisoners given for excavation works at Gamzigrad) some 20-25 years ago when in the middle of the story one was sucked by earth falling in the Roman chamber straight on several clay pots/hoards full of Galerius gold coins shining like on the Pirate movies. The guy couldn't "collect himself" for a few days being in shock and was awarded and released from prison.

You must go there to see Dionysus mosaic- the God of the grape harvest between leopards, holding grapes..

YOU MUST GO THERE!

Tips:

Rtanjski caj= the most "mystical" and amazing herbal infusion of Serbia.

Vlaski dol/Zajecar (few knows) you can see prehistorical fishes., etc on the gorge stones..

Vlaski sir, old hardest goat cheese.

Rtanjski yoghurt, you'll live "forever" if you drink it constantly (like in Homolje- people approx. drink 2/3 Sljivovica and only 1/3 of yoghurt there and die in 80, eliminate alcohol and you'll live 110)

Best regards!

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Black River Hajduk

pre 13 godina

Otherwise in Serbia you have 150 Black Rivers., any spring 1m wide can be "Black River" to locals..
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 19:35)

That's the place. My father tells that on certain windy days one can hear Gypsy music leading Hajduk Veljko to battle, and some times battle cries. The first colt may father gave me was named after his horse--Kushlja(I cant even pronounce it correctly today). It is from father's stories and the music he used to play that fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ tajwañski, 8 December 2010 16:56)

People in Taiwan do not want to be
anything other than Chinese. What Taiwan wants is for China to be 'democratic' and they to be with China, since Taiwan IS China.
The idea of 'democracy' that would initially make China ''better'' is the democracy made up by the Anglo-American establishment bent on monetary world domination.

Let's get to your questions -

#1: Should be a borderline beyond a State would not invade into the private life of citizens or there shouldn't be?

Please elaborate as to how this occurs in China so I may adequately answer your question. I hope your argument will be more impressive than 'single child policy'.

#2: If it should be - who should drive it?
See above

#3: If there shouldn't be - who should guarantee that the State is benevolent all the times towards own citizens (see Cultural Revolution).

See above. Benevolent state - hilarious. Especially coming form someone sitting in the West. I lol'd.

#4: If there are no guarantees - do the ones who have no guarantees apply the same rules to them self as to the "rest of us"?

Again, relation to China please. Elaborate.
I don't really know what makes me feel safer - a redneck sheriff with a shotgun, or unarmed Chinese police force...I'll think about this one.

#5: Is China THAT weak that a word of dissent can destroy it? If not - what to fear and who has to fear?

Do go back and read what I wrote in my previous comment. China is VERY strong, nationally and internationally, and the hard-line politics have contributed to this, lack of political correctness and a farce of democracy.

''Now about prosperity and quality of life and human rights. I have impression, Taiwanese are pretty much the same people. Except, their establishment increasingly eases the traditional restrictions. Surprisingly, instead of going down - Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia.''

Yes, well everyone has some kind of opinion and impression about things they know nothing about. Come and live in China then you may be able to give some kind of impression on what it's like and make a reasonable argument instead of regurgitating what TV told you about Taiwan and China.

People don't give a damn about democracy here, or their 'freedom' to bash the Party. Chairman Mao sacrificed much of ancient Chinese culture and habits to make China into China. Do I agree with it? No, I do not. Has it made China a paradise? No, it has not. It has kept China whole instead of god knows how many pathetic little American satellites as the case was with Yugoslavia.

It is sheer, unfounded arrogance which has been embedded in brains of certain western people that tell everyone that anything not working Anglo-Saxon way must be tyrannical, backward and savage.

Things aren't black and white. There ARE great places on this planet to live east of Berlin, despite what media brainwashes people with.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I called my father and asked him where were the vineyards located--and he said Black River. I tried Googling Black River+Serbia and all I got is a B92 video with some strange voodoo and besides that Black River is in southern Serbia. Any idea where it's at?
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 18:10)

This is a Black Timok or Black River., it has even smaller river going in at some point called again the same- Black River. Black Timok confluence in White Timok some 200 meters from the Zajecar city prison. So, your area should be somewhere in this area= 43°54'13.75"N / 22° 2'18.02"E wider area around Zlot. This is very good place. Not superb for grapes but nice area. I'm sure it's there. You better ask your father for the surnames of 4-5 girlfriends he had there., if 3 of those are Vlach surnames- IT'S THERE- "GPS" CONFIRMED!

Otherwise in Serbia you have 150 Black Rivers., any spring 1m wide can be "Black River" to locals..

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CG

pre 13 godina

Serbia has consistently aligned itself with Non-Western or European values for the most part of XX century and continues to this day. It is apparent from many Serb posters here(who I should add by and large live in Western societies) that they rather align themselves with Chinese or Russian values than European ones.

I don't think it's hypocritical, it's just Serbs being part of the Orient.
(Zoti, 8 December 2010 17:28)

You are absolutely right,Zoti,we didn`t also align ourselves with the "European values" from 1933-1945 while the Croats and Albanians were busy aligning themselves to the "Führer" of the "1933-1945 European value system".
Yes I am a nationalistic Serb from Montenegro,and yes I deeply hate Europe,this old whore!
Brotherhood and partnership lies in common blood,and that is why only Russians can be considered our pravoslavic brothers,not even the Greeks because they are only pravo(orthodox)but not slavic...

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Mescalero

pre 13 godina

have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 07:37)

Good enough, (if) Negotin has much better grapes (unfortunately not vines) than most of Italy. Give me a tip when you're there, you never know..
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 14:11)

I called my father and asked him where were the vineyards located--and he said Black River. I tried Googling Black River+Serbia and all I got is a B92 video with some strange voodoo and besides that Black River is in southern Serbia. Any idea where it's at?

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Zoti

pre 13 godina

Here is another sample of Serbia's alignment with the countries that have no regard for European human values.
(jesse, 8 December 2010)

Serbia has consistently aligned itself with Non-Western or European values for the most part of XX century and continues to this day. It is apparent from many Serb posters here(who I should add by and large live in Western societies) that they rather align themselves with Chinese or Russian values than European ones.

I don't think it's hypocritical, it's just Serbs being part of the Orient.

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Bardhyl

pre 13 godina

"There is no candidate country, or potential candidate country, that in this way manifests its obedience" to China, Kacin said.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/breakingnews/serbia-to-boycott-nobel-peace-prize-ceremony-for-chinese-dissident-111511779.html?path=/world/breakingnews&id=111511779&sortBy=oldest

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Je¿ tajwañski

pre 13 godina

Think about it...
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 11:29)

Yes, I did - and there are some questions and let's accept what you say at the face value for the moment.

#1: Should be a borderline beyond a State would not invade into the private life of citizens or there shouldn't be?

#2: If it should be - who should drive it?

#3: If there shouldn't be - who should guarantee that the State is benevolent all the times towards own citizens (see Cultural Revolution).

#4: If there are no guarantees - do the ones who have no guarantees apply the same rules to them self as to the "rest of us"?

#5: Is China THAT weak that a word of dissent can destroy it? If not - what to fear and who has to fear?

Now about prosperity and quality of life and human rights. I have impression, Taiwanese are pretty much the same people. Except, their establishment increasingly eases the traditional restrictions. Surprisingly, instead of going down - Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia.

I feel, there is "Sum Thing Wong" about your arguments... ;-)

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Je¿ tajwañski

pre 13 godina

"Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia"

Apologies, I should say "Taiwan is one of the most prosperous areas to live in Asia". It's legally part of China and not a country.

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Jovan

pre 13 godina

well, if someone like this finnish ex-president recieves the nobel-prize ..then this prize is solely a political ritual, but not a real prize to honor the achievements of truly good and inspiring poeple.

Matisaari "wins" the nobel-prize? okay, then even Goofy should get one, or Bob the Builder!

so, here the choice is clear, showing solidarity with China is a smarter move than "honoring" a person who is most likely only being "honored" in order to let China look like a villain.

propaganda...

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CG

pre 13 godina

The Nobel prize is a political propaganda tool for the West.
The other nations should scrap it and introduce a Chinese "Konfucius price"(which could be later also politically instrumented in favour of Chinese interests...)
The same thing goes for the "International Court in The Hague..."

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 07:37)

Good enough, (if) Negotin has much better grapes (unfortunately not vines) than most of Italy. Give me a tip when you're there, you never know..

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Enjoy safety of commenting from bella Italia
(Logic, 8 December 2010 03:28)

Ups!

I'm eating Haus Selchwurstel and drinking Hirter Biohanfbier right now, for late breakfast.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

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(adrian/bucharest, 8 December 2010 06:44)

Sorry, adrian, you're wrong. I love China and I like living here, HOWEVER, what makes China incredibly strong, especially internally is the hard-line political ideology.
I hope you release how many little ethnicities apart from Han live in China and have their own little things going on. Everyone here, regardless if they are Miao, Han or whatever, is Chinese first, then their ethnicity later. Chinese, in their wisdom, had managed to keep China whole without any small tiny minorities breaking off and creating a hell of a mess.(think Tito, think Yugoslavia)
Yes, there is constant brainwashing here. I even get anti-Japanese news on my mobile phone occasionally, HOWEVER, the level of brainwashing in China is on the same level as brainwashing in Europe, America and in Serbia about how wonderful the West is.
In China, brainwashing is about how wonderful China and Chinese are.
The only difference is that in China you can't go whining on about 'democracy'. And people don't - not because they're so scared or because they're stupid, but because for a lot of people, their work affords them to live normally and majority simply don't CARE about who's in power.
Life in China IS better than that in the West at the moment - not because it's a paradise here (it's not, far from it) or because you earn a lot of money (you don't) but because you can afford yourself a whole lot of things with the money you DO earn here than back in the West.
The only time people get so passionately involved in politics is when the life in their country becomes unbearable.
China has no political correctness, corporal punishment in schools is rampant here, China has no 'special rights for minorities', it has no other liberal crap that cripple certain countries in the West.

And sure, I am a foreigner here and I cannot and will not speak for the Chinese people, because I am not one, but I will speak for the tiny foreigner community that is comprised of people who have been in China for many many years and have no plan or wish to go back to the West.

There must be something in that when people from ''biggest democracies and shining beacons of liberty'' choose by their own will to live, stay and work in a ''communist dictatorship''.

Think about it...

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ
Thank you for that, then why are you trying to be different now?!
(adrian/bucharest, 8 December 2010 06:44)

I analyzed back much of your comments. If it was not worth., I'd just pass by. Surprised or confused- yes I am reacting black or white sometimes. That's truth. It's still about principles.

What's best for China is China's internal affair and we have some obligations and respect to that, as everyone should.

Our support is generated on the base of friendship and Chinese support toward us. So simple.

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brazilskifarmer

pre 13 godina

Well done Serbia! Who cares about Nobel? Nobel invented dynamite,gelignite and ballistite which is all about destruction, God knows what more he would've invented had he lived just a little longer,Nobel didn't care about humanity.

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Mescalero

pre 13 godina

Say thanks.
(ZMAJ, 7 December 2010 21:09)

Sounds good there Zmaj. Whyn't ya send me a bottle there so I kin see for my self how good it is, and that ya ain't falsely promoting your product.

And make sure you include your re turn address soz I kin send ya bottle of mine.

Just to firm up our new found friendship
I'll throw in a bottle of some of mine private rezerve White Lighting.

Also,I am a dog lover too, so send me picture of your dog--I've got pictures of dogs from all over the world hangin on my walls.

Zmaj, I waited for some time to pass so I can evaporate a little in order to thank you proper-like. I have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.

Although I Love Texas as much as Serbia if not more,as Texas is all I pretty much know, I have decided to shed my body in Serbia.

Besides, Texas ain't what it used to be,the Chinese are already starting to squeeze us for their money.

I appreciate you for your time and your recipe. I will announce my arrival on B92,and if it was meant to be,we'll eat your meze and drink my Mescal and sing:

Igrali su delije na sred zemle Serbie...

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adrian/bucharest

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ
Thank you for that, then why are you trying to be different now?!
In this type of situations mixing black and white results black not grey. We know it very well.

BTW, Ceausescu would have given the finger to China now, as he did with the USSR in 1968 for Prague.

China has made huuuge steps ahead in modernising the country and society, the only thing keeping them behind is some idiotic old ideological issues and the influence of some quiet personal rivalry between its elite. Getting the point and having a softer stance on Xiaobo type situations would only make them stronger, both internally and internationaly.

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Ari Gold

pre 13 godina

As much as I love my homeland and Serbs as a people... they're kidding themselves if they think that China will ever surpass the US as the world's greatest superpower.

Wait another twenty-thirty years. We'll see what's what.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Regarding this event, Sam Zarifi, Amnesty International's director for the Asia-Pacific region, said: "There are a couple of disappointments, but it's effectively a club of countries with relatively bad human rights records."
Here is another sample of Serbia's alignment with the countries that have no regard for European human values.

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Logic

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ - Thanks! Both recipes reflect real international spirit, accepted with pleasure.
To some dog-hating mafiosi: don't even dream of it! Knowing the geographic origin of ZMAJ's Rundov I can assure you it would be below his dignity to even look at your kind offering. He would be seriously involved with the innards of the Italian fashionable packaging instead. Enjoy safety of commenting from bella Italia

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metrod

pre 13 godina

"Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.
ben"

Strong stomach, indeed! History agrees with you!

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Pálinkás Ёжи

pre 13 godina

Aung San Suu Kyi's sons accepted for her.

So far, India and Brazil are saying they're going.
(Amer, 7 December 2010 22:10)

I fail to see any major differences between her and Liu Xiaobo, except the gender. She is hailed here, so more consistence would not hurt. Both are fighting the same kind of fight Serbs did fight for centuries.

To tell the truth I see nearly everyone to fall in "Joe's trap" (sorry to pick on Joe, but he is obviously in the trap).

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71357

In short, Joe - as very loyal to America - did express some pretty extreme views regarding Wikileaks. Step back folks. Loyalty to WHOM? I understand loyalty to America, Serbia, Russia, Albania. But even if you are loyal to a country, think about:

1) Are you loyal to the country or to the political establishment?
2) Is the political establishment loyal to the country?
3) Whom does political establishment represent?

It's easy to fall into that trap... after Sarah Palin I would call it a "pálinka trap", LOL.

---------

At last but not least. If you feel that your favorite country can't survive the slightest critics - than it's a loser, week country not worth even to mention. My gut feeling is, USA, Russia and China will somehow more-less survive some critics even from their own expressed on B92.

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Peggy

pre 13 godina

We'll be there when you give prize to Julian Asange. Untill then s-off. We're busy fighting for Kosovo with our friend China.
(Via, 7 December 2010 15:28)
======================

I can only wish that this is how Tadic feels but he said he was ready to arrest Julian.

If only people like you had a say in Serbia. Now that would be a dream come true.

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Je¿ norweski

pre 13 godina

EU5 international law breakers that refuse to recognise Kosova beside the clear ICJ rule you get the picture of how clean and moral the Serbian struggle for Kosova is.

Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.
(ben, 7 December 2010 22:18)

Kosova is not the center of the known universe, by the way. The topic has nothing to do with it.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

KU - I missed that part in the article about Solzhenitsyn. What is new about this year is that no member of the family has been allowed to travel to Norway to accept for the recipient - Solzhenitsyn's wife accepted for him, Aung San Suu Kyi's sons accepted for her.

So far, India and Brazil are saying they're going.

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ben

pre 13 godina

Now if you add to this (in)glorious list the names of the EU5 international law breakers that refuse to recognise Kosova beside the clear ICJ rule you get the picture of how clean and moral the Serbian struggle for Kosova is.

Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.

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Peggy

pre 13 godina

These acts make the case for Kosova even stronger
(UNE, 7 December 2010 19:39)
=====================

UNE, this has NOTHING to do with "Kosova". Where do you get a connection?

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Let's check out that balsamic recipe of yours,ZMAJ. I am curious to find out if anyone outdid me yet. AS far as I known,no one has.

Thanks in advance.
(Balsamaniac, 7 December 2010 19:26)

=============================

Don't "sell" to me this "..outdid me yet" because I know "on fingers" how many people make good Balsamic except Italians..

Cannot give you the (my own Balsamic) race of the grapes because is very "located" geographically so everyone would know where I'm living. That luxury I cannot afford because of the safety of my dog (can be poisoned by low profile Mafia).

However, in the name of the free world- here it is:

(DON'T underestimate the simplicity)

My dose- you can reduce proportionally and "play"..

100 kilos fresh (as dark as possible- non sour) organic grapes you press juice as for ordinary wine. You must have (100k) huge 120 liters dish to very slowly cook that. (Very slowly= up to 3 days! Depends on grapes) The compacted juice must loose about 9 parts in quantity and "reach" 9-11 liters. Don't burn that! Don't put anything else!

Another 100 kilos of very sweet organic white grapes you'll hang on the most sunny (night airy) place for a 15-20 days (or up to 25, depends on the sun- if necessary protect with net). Don't put anything else! Start making wine., it will be thick and when "boiling" finishes and sugars "disappear" you'll "infect" it straight away with a liter of VERY strong quality- organic vinegar and packet of organic pasta, macaroni., etc. Leave it 5 days and then filtrate.

The "wine" (almost vinegar) put together with firstly made compact juice and stir patiently until dissolve completely. Put in a Oak barrel (double bigger- better) making "angel's share" as big as possible. Don't put anything else!

Next year- same time you can give that to any Reggio Emilia or Modena "expert"., and please tell him it's 8 years old exclusively white grapes (!!) Balsamic.. Watch his face.

Tips:

Organic=not transition stage or some 2 years "organic", presence of fertilizers or anything else have huge impact and slow things down amazingly.

New barrel=safe barrel

PS. You better prepare the bottle for the "expert" guy (some Luigi or Massimo, probably) because he'll not going out without it.

Enjoy!

Bonus:

Rocket (Eruca sativa)
-big peaces

Tomato
-small cubes

Halloumi (Cypriot cheese)
-tiny peaces - grilled

Njeguska prsuta
-tiny as possible VERY lightly grilled

Walnuts
-whole and a lot

Make the salad out of that- put "your" free world Balsamic and organic Olive Oil lower than 0.3 (acidity) and NO salt. The last (acidity) makes it impossible to be made with any Italian Olive Oil- "best in the world" (MYTH and LIE). Kill 'em with low acidity.

Say thanks.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

(adrian/bucharest, 7 December 2010 20:21)

Listen Ceauºescu.,

when I was 15 years old boy, camping and fishing with a friends near Kladovo., we save 5 Romanian hanging (cross-hands) on a small barrel a front of our tent.. We gave them food (all the food we had) and hide them in a tent despite that with a third patrol we drunk Sljivovica 15 minutes about while Romanians were "not breeding" inside.. After that we showed them the way and gave them some few dinars we had. We stayed hungry next one and half day (until our parents come) eating sugar and fish only and we committed crime against our own loved country, to save some poor people..

Don't talk about principles to us., just like that- "click".

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KU

pre 13 godina

Oh, thanks for the link Amer. So Serbia has been explicitly invited, but will refuse because of the Chinese. So that "boycott" B92 talks about is 100% true after all. It doesn't look good on Serbia, especially considering that the current people in power in Serbia fought against a home grown dictator (Milosevic) to get to where they are today. Makes one wonder, makes one pessimistic.

By the way, there is one non exact thing in the last paragraph of the Guardian article too, I think. This is not the first time the prize has not been handed over since Nazi Germany. Solzhenitsyn could not get his Nobel prize either. Same situation, a dictatorship on one side, a dissident on the other, and a Nobel prize in the middle. Solzhenitsyn's prize was in literature though, not peace.

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Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

RE: Tit for Tat

Al Gore received the Nobel Pease Prize, a "human rights" activist does not endorse the use of depleted Uranium bombs in Yugoslavia contaminating the Balkans for centuries. What kind of environmentalist would do this?

You hypocrites!!

Gore should be tried for war crimes nleashing bombs contrary to the mission of the Nobel Peace Price which is not a credible organization, but turning into a political one.

Serbia and every country should boycott every Nobel Peace Prize event becuase it does not promote peace.

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highduke

pre 13 godina

Serbia is a puppet of China for taking the same stand as most of the world? And that makes us hypocrites? Serbophobes make the most sensational baseless accusations

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Was Serbia supposed to attend in the first place? I mean, ok the Nobel is important and everything, but do all the countries attend every year? I can understand a country that has a Nobel price winner, some ambassador or representative of some committee goes there. What if nobody wins? Did Serbia attend the last 5 or 10 Nobel prize ceremonies for example? And now it is not attending because of China? This type of journalism (B92 or BBC) of half said things is bad, instead of informing it just raises questions.

KU,
Professional Skeptic,
Sydney
(KU, 7 December 2010 17:49) "

The Guardian wondered about this, too, and says http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/china-nobel-peace-prize-clowns "Geir Lundestad, the committee's executive secretary, said that was "a very curious way of stating things [that 100 countries would not be attending], because only the 65 countries with embassies in Norway were invited." So, since Serbia has an embassy in Oslo, it was presumably invited.

But: "In one case, it is believed that an ambassador decided to attend in person – instead of sending another diplomat as he had planned – after receiving China's warning."

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Balsamaniac

pre 13 godina

PS. I'll publish free recipe here if anyone interested (never published, just to hit the Roman economy in retaliation).

You will never give money for Balsamic again, I promise you.
(ZMAJ, 7 December 2010 18:35)


Let's check out that balsamic recipe of yours,ZMAJ. I am curious to find out if anyone outdid me yet. AS far as I known,no one has.

Thanks in advance.

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Olli

pre 13 godina

deki wrote:

"Human Rights? Whats that LOL"

Well, deki, I hope life will soon take you to a situation in which you'll learn what's that. And when you are denied your rights, for example when you get arrested and tortured, please accept our deepest LOLs.

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UNE

pre 13 godina

LOL good job soo predictable for jeremic. Instead of showing support for human rights they choose the side of the opressor.

These acts make the case for Kosova even stronger

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

We should form our own version. BRIC & the Non-Alligned are 3/4 of the world
(highduke, 7 December 2010 17:28)
--
You realise the west represents about 1 billion of the 6 billion people in the world? China alone has more people, however, when we combine all of our allies, China, India, Russia, Brazil and the others, you are right, we have the overwhelming majority on our side.

Once the east becomes the world leader, it will be a very long feast for those who are prepared. There is no chance the west will ever compete again but perhaps it may become a junior partner once it gets its act together.

In 5 to 10 years, this will become much more clear. China will surpass the technological advantage of the west in a few years. That is when everything changes.

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

It suits Serbia to keep China sweet especially when it comes to Kosovo. Why should Serbia be bothered about an individual and upset China especially when it comes to Kosovo issue...." China always has supported Serbia territorial and sovereignity...". It is all politics!
(EA)
-
Looks like you finally figured it all out EA. Anything done in politics is done for political reasons.

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tani

pre 13 godina

Serbia is still the same, as always against the HUMAN RIGHTS just for the sake of her extremist nationalistic goals. Serbia is still a country that need to be kept in check. Every minority in Serbia have more reason to feel more insecure now. This is just defending national interest they say. So even the massacre of serbenica could be justified, by these serbian standards of national interest. Everyone that have to deal with Serbia should keep in mind this way of behaving.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I was about writing the same comment already posted by Luigi.
Serbia is not in good company.
(massimo, 7 December 2010 12:02)

Luigi and Massimo., che bene!

We don't want your company (dot)!

WHY?!

I don't know.., but maybe because you're the Jesus killers, first of all. SHAME ON YOU!!

Secondly, we do not appreciate your kitsch fashion, your stupid mafia black sunglasses, your false mozzarella and false Balsamic. (personally making much better then Modena 100% natural, more compact and tasty, anyone can do it himself).

PS. I'll publish free recipe here if anyone interested (never published, just to hit the Roman economy in retaliation).

You will never give money for Balsamic again, I promise you.

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Aleks

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Colombia: US's greatest ally in LatAm;
Kazakhstan: US soldiers there supporting US operations in Af;

Pakistan: Long term US ally, known for mass proliferation of nuclear weapons technologies to anyone who will pay;

Saudi Arabia: Long term US ally who funds terrorists with proceeds from selling oil. Also funded Pakistan's nuclear bomb program and has IRBMs from China...

Egypt: Long term US ally. Supposedly democratic as long as the President remains the President. Cornerstone of US' strategy to keep M/E calm (1979 Camp David accords);

Philippines: Long term US client state, though much less so. Hosted massive US airbase for many decades;

Ukraine: Until recently US & EU client state, regardless of idiocy of this policy;

Morocco: Long term US & EU ally, autocratic but liberal enough for westerners to take holidays (drugs and whatever) there.

So clearly quite a few states that are not considered pariah's by the great and the good in the West. Still, why let facts get in the way of a 'good' headline?

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KU

pre 13 godina

Was Serbia supposed to attend in the first place? I mean, ok the Nobel is important and everything, but do all the countries attend every year? I can understand a country that has a Nobel price winner, some ambassador or representative of some committee goes there. What if nobody wins? Did Serbia attend the last 5 or 10 Nobel prize ceremonies for example? And now it is not attending because of China? This type of journalism (B92 or BBC) of half said things is bad, instead of informing it just raises questions.

KU,
Professional Skeptic,
Sydney

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Shame on Serbia...
(Luigi, 7 December 2010 11:03)

Shame on you Serbia
(Hugh, 7 December 2010 12:09)

Yes we're red of shame., like Chinese flag.

But we don't care, it's good for blood circulation.

You can ask someone like Jakob von Uexkull to explain to you what's Nobel actually before you stupidly address anyone. Nobel is much bigger shame. They refused to establish award for living conditions of the poor people and environmental achievements.. Because "he" never wanted that.. The controversy of the Nobel Prize is widely known. You're burning yourself thanks to the acid you spit around, you and your "fancy" prizes.

The new world has the new prizes.

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winston

pre 13 godina

Oh yes, human rights, like the US State Department ordering its government workers not to read any WikiLeaks. Something that is already of public domain. What next from Big Brother DC, mind control of all Americans? As for the Nobel prize, it has become a complete farce. The perfect reason why, last year's recipient, Obama. Does the French diplomat in today's WikiLeak story still believe that Belgrade will roll over and give away part of its nation? I am happy to see that Tadic and Co. see that the real future is China, Russia, India, etc., and not the decaying West.

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Je¿ alkoholowy

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ Las Vegasowy, 7 December 2010 14:16)
Recommend (+1) Poor comment (-2)

Hey, why the ratings? I did not tell anything, just that I have a bet. If I lose, I will drink a glass of лоза made by Sisters in Грачаница. If I win, I will drink a glass of honey-based Ukrainian горилка. Fair? I will tell at the end: лоза or горилка, don't worry.

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paulie

pre 13 godina

For all those Serbia bashers, how many of y'all supported the famous Obama Peace Prize? You remember the one for simply saying things that sounded peaceful, the one for his month-or-so-long tenure in office where the world was brought from the brink of war to a state of everlasting peace -- oops that was the dream part? If the Nobel Peace Prize is given for shallow words, as we have all seen what Obama's Peace means -- extended wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and a renaming of the mission in Iraq; additional military base openings, in all places like Columbia (World's Cocaine headquarters), Afghanistan (World's Opium headquarters) and Kosovo (Europe's narcotics crossroad)? Then what level of credibility does it have? Why should one attend a party for such a shame award?
I say shame on everyone else for supporting last year's award winner and further for not demanding that it be withdrawn.
Imperialistic lapdogs we all are.

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Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

Keeping good company, as usual.
(t, 7 December 2010 12:55)

You forgot those other 'bastions' of liberal democracy - Saudi Arabia, Colombia and Afghanistan.

Glasshouses, stones, throw. Duh!

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Top

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Is it only me who thinks the name 'Serbia' looks a bit misplaced in this list? ;-)

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

This event has lost its prestige and has become a political circus. It's great to see some countries taking action and ignoring it.

I'm not sure why Serbia is boycotting but I'd much rather it take the side of China and Russia instead of some committee that awards people for political purposes?

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Je¿ (nie?)koszerny

pre 13 godina

What about the other countries?
(peggy, 7 December 2010 12:20)

-------

Shame on you Serbia
(Hugh, 7 December 2010 12:09)

Guys/girls: this is politics at it's "finest". Politics does not know the word "shame". This is the first one in few years awarded to a person who really suffers for a noble idea. Last few prizes were a joke. A corrupt Fin was awarded for some funny business and Obama for doing nothing.

Q: Did Serbia act correctly from point of view of Serbian interests? Heck, YES!
Q: Was it correct from ethical point of view? Heck, NO! Totally immoral and rotten decision.
Q: What would I do if I am president of Serbia? Probably resign over the dilemma - but lucky me - I would never be in that position.

Interestingly, no one answered my (not-so) railroad question. Here is the link, c'mon, answer it, it's almost the same - just "the other way": would you steal $50 from Kim Jong Il?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71351

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Mario

pre 13 godina

Shame on Luigi on passing judgment on Serbia. The Nobel committee awarded the peace prize to Martti Ahtisaari, the guy who made that stupid recommendation for Kosovo defacto independence as well as Obama, who's troops are killing people in Afghanistan every day.

I'm glad that Serbia is part of a number of brave countries that are sending a message to the guys on the Nobel Committee to stop using the prize as a political tool for NATO.

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EA

pre 13 godina

It suits Serbia to keep China sweet especially when it comes to Kosovo. Why should Serbia be bothered about an individual and upset China especially when it comes to Kosovo issue...." China always has supported Serbia territorial and sovereignity...". It is all politics!

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t

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Keeping good company, as usual.

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The Eagle

pre 13 godina

Typical Serbia and this for 2 reasons:

1. being the puppet of China
2. Peace is something you can not find in your dictionary.

A bunch of hypocrits, that is what you are!

The Eagle

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Mario

pre 13 godina

Shame on Luigi on passing judgment on Serbia. The Nobel committee awarded the peace prize to Martti Ahtisaari, the guy who made that stupid recommendation for Kosovo defacto independence as well as Obama, who's troops are killing people in Afghanistan every day.

I'm glad that Serbia is part of a number of brave countries that are sending a message to the guys on the Nobel Committee to stop using the prize as a political tool for NATO.

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

This event has lost its prestige and has become a political circus. It's great to see some countries taking action and ignoring it.

I'm not sure why Serbia is boycotting but I'd much rather it take the side of China and Russia instead of some committee that awards people for political purposes?

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Shame on Serbia...
(Luigi, 7 December 2010 11:03)

Shame on you Serbia
(Hugh, 7 December 2010 12:09)

Yes we're red of shame., like Chinese flag.

But we don't care, it's good for blood circulation.

You can ask someone like Jakob von Uexkull to explain to you what's Nobel actually before you stupidly address anyone. Nobel is much bigger shame. They refused to establish award for living conditions of the poor people and environmental achievements.. Because "he" never wanted that.. The controversy of the Nobel Prize is widely known. You're burning yourself thanks to the acid you spit around, you and your "fancy" prizes.

The new world has the new prizes.

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paulie

pre 13 godina

For all those Serbia bashers, how many of y'all supported the famous Obama Peace Prize? You remember the one for simply saying things that sounded peaceful, the one for his month-or-so-long tenure in office where the world was brought from the brink of war to a state of everlasting peace -- oops that was the dream part? If the Nobel Peace Prize is given for shallow words, as we have all seen what Obama's Peace means -- extended wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and a renaming of the mission in Iraq; additional military base openings, in all places like Columbia (World's Cocaine headquarters), Afghanistan (World's Opium headquarters) and Kosovo (Europe's narcotics crossroad)? Then what level of credibility does it have? Why should one attend a party for such a shame award?
I say shame on everyone else for supporting last year's award winner and further for not demanding that it be withdrawn.
Imperialistic lapdogs we all are.

Preporučujem 46 Ne preporučujem 16
The Eagle

pre 13 godina

Typical Serbia and this for 2 reasons:

1. being the puppet of China
2. Peace is something you can not find in your dictionary.

A bunch of hypocrits, that is what you are!

The Eagle

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EA

pre 13 godina

It suits Serbia to keep China sweet especially when it comes to Kosovo. Why should Serbia be bothered about an individual and upset China especially when it comes to Kosovo issue...." China always has supported Serbia territorial and sovereignity...". It is all politics!

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Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

Keeping good company, as usual.
(t, 7 December 2010 12:55)

You forgot those other 'bastions' of liberal democracy - Saudi Arabia, Colombia and Afghanistan.

Glasshouses, stones, throw. Duh!

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winston

pre 13 godina

Oh yes, human rights, like the US State Department ordering its government workers not to read any WikiLeaks. Something that is already of public domain. What next from Big Brother DC, mind control of all Americans? As for the Nobel prize, it has become a complete farce. The perfect reason why, last year's recipient, Obama. Does the French diplomat in today's WikiLeak story still believe that Belgrade will roll over and give away part of its nation? I am happy to see that Tadic and Co. see that the real future is China, Russia, India, etc., and not the decaying West.

Preporučujem 35 Ne preporučujem 22
t

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Keeping good company, as usual.

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Top

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Is it only me who thinks the name 'Serbia' looks a bit misplaced in this list? ;-)

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I was about writing the same comment already posted by Luigi.
Serbia is not in good company.
(massimo, 7 December 2010 12:02)

Luigi and Massimo., che bene!

We don't want your company (dot)!

WHY?!

I don't know.., but maybe because you're the Jesus killers, first of all. SHAME ON YOU!!

Secondly, we do not appreciate your kitsch fashion, your stupid mafia black sunglasses, your false mozzarella and false Balsamic. (personally making much better then Modena 100% natural, more compact and tasty, anyone can do it himself).

PS. I'll publish free recipe here if anyone interested (never published, just to hit the Roman economy in retaliation).

You will never give money for Balsamic again, I promise you.

Preporučujem 28 Ne preporučujem 6
Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

RE: Tit for Tat

Al Gore received the Nobel Pease Prize, a "human rights" activist does not endorse the use of depleted Uranium bombs in Yugoslavia contaminating the Balkans for centuries. What kind of environmentalist would do this?

You hypocrites!!

Gore should be tried for war crimes nleashing bombs contrary to the mission of the Nobel Peace Price which is not a credible organization, but turning into a political one.

Serbia and every country should boycott every Nobel Peace Prize event becuase it does not promote peace.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Let's check out that balsamic recipe of yours,ZMAJ. I am curious to find out if anyone outdid me yet. AS far as I known,no one has.

Thanks in advance.
(Balsamaniac, 7 December 2010 19:26)

=============================

Don't "sell" to me this "..outdid me yet" because I know "on fingers" how many people make good Balsamic except Italians..

Cannot give you the (my own Balsamic) race of the grapes because is very "located" geographically so everyone would know where I'm living. That luxury I cannot afford because of the safety of my dog (can be poisoned by low profile Mafia).

However, in the name of the free world- here it is:

(DON'T underestimate the simplicity)

My dose- you can reduce proportionally and "play"..

100 kilos fresh (as dark as possible- non sour) organic grapes you press juice as for ordinary wine. You must have (100k) huge 120 liters dish to very slowly cook that. (Very slowly= up to 3 days! Depends on grapes) The compacted juice must loose about 9 parts in quantity and "reach" 9-11 liters. Don't burn that! Don't put anything else!

Another 100 kilos of very sweet organic white grapes you'll hang on the most sunny (night airy) place for a 15-20 days (or up to 25, depends on the sun- if necessary protect with net). Don't put anything else! Start making wine., it will be thick and when "boiling" finishes and sugars "disappear" you'll "infect" it straight away with a liter of VERY strong quality- organic vinegar and packet of organic pasta, macaroni., etc. Leave it 5 days and then filtrate.

The "wine" (almost vinegar) put together with firstly made compact juice and stir patiently until dissolve completely. Put in a Oak barrel (double bigger- better) making "angel's share" as big as possible. Don't put anything else!

Next year- same time you can give that to any Reggio Emilia or Modena "expert"., and please tell him it's 8 years old exclusively white grapes (!!) Balsamic.. Watch his face.

Tips:

Organic=not transition stage or some 2 years "organic", presence of fertilizers or anything else have huge impact and slow things down amazingly.

New barrel=safe barrel

PS. You better prepare the bottle for the "expert" guy (some Luigi or Massimo, probably) because he'll not going out without it.

Enjoy!

Bonus:

Rocket (Eruca sativa)
-big peaces

Tomato
-small cubes

Halloumi (Cypriot cheese)
-tiny peaces - grilled

Njeguska prsuta
-tiny as possible VERY lightly grilled

Walnuts
-whole and a lot

Make the salad out of that- put "your" free world Balsamic and organic Olive Oil lower than 0.3 (acidity) and NO salt. The last (acidity) makes it impossible to be made with any Italian Olive Oil- "best in the world" (MYTH and LIE). Kill 'em with low acidity.

Say thanks.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

(adrian/bucharest, 7 December 2010 20:21)

Listen Ceauºescu.,

when I was 15 years old boy, camping and fishing with a friends near Kladovo., we save 5 Romanian hanging (cross-hands) on a small barrel a front of our tent.. We gave them food (all the food we had) and hide them in a tent despite that with a third patrol we drunk Sljivovica 15 minutes about while Romanians were "not breeding" inside.. After that we showed them the way and gave them some few dinars we had. We stayed hungry next one and half day (until our parents come) eating sugar and fish only and we committed crime against our own loved country, to save some poor people..

Don't talk about principles to us., just like that- "click".

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tani

pre 13 godina

Serbia is still the same, as always against the HUMAN RIGHTS just for the sake of her extremist nationalistic goals. Serbia is still a country that need to be kept in check. Every minority in Serbia have more reason to feel more insecure now. This is just defending national interest they say. So even the massacre of serbenica could be justified, by these serbian standards of national interest. Everyone that have to deal with Serbia should keep in mind this way of behaving.

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highduke

pre 13 godina

Serbia is a puppet of China for taking the same stand as most of the world? And that makes us hypocrites? Serbophobes make the most sensational baseless accusations

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Aleks

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Colombia: US's greatest ally in LatAm;
Kazakhstan: US soldiers there supporting US operations in Af;

Pakistan: Long term US ally, known for mass proliferation of nuclear weapons technologies to anyone who will pay;

Saudi Arabia: Long term US ally who funds terrorists with proceeds from selling oil. Also funded Pakistan's nuclear bomb program and has IRBMs from China...

Egypt: Long term US ally. Supposedly democratic as long as the President remains the President. Cornerstone of US' strategy to keep M/E calm (1979 Camp David accords);

Philippines: Long term US client state, though much less so. Hosted massive US airbase for many decades;

Ukraine: Until recently US & EU client state, regardless of idiocy of this policy;

Morocco: Long term US & EU ally, autocratic but liberal enough for westerners to take holidays (drugs and whatever) there.

So clearly quite a few states that are not considered pariah's by the great and the good in the West. Still, why let facts get in the way of a 'good' headline?

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

It suits Serbia to keep China sweet especially when it comes to Kosovo. Why should Serbia be bothered about an individual and upset China especially when it comes to Kosovo issue...." China always has supported Serbia territorial and sovereignity...". It is all politics!
(EA)
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Looks like you finally figured it all out EA. Anything done in politics is done for political reasons.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ
Thank you for that, then why are you trying to be different now?!
(adrian/bucharest, 8 December 2010 06:44)

I analyzed back much of your comments. If it was not worth., I'd just pass by. Surprised or confused- yes I am reacting black or white sometimes. That's truth. It's still about principles.

What's best for China is China's internal affair and we have some obligations and respect to that, as everyone should.

Our support is generated on the base of friendship and Chinese support toward us. So simple.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

pre 13 godina

(adrian/bucharest, 8 December 2010 06:44)

Sorry, adrian, you're wrong. I love China and I like living here, HOWEVER, what makes China incredibly strong, especially internally is the hard-line political ideology.
I hope you release how many little ethnicities apart from Han live in China and have their own little things going on. Everyone here, regardless if they are Miao, Han or whatever, is Chinese first, then their ethnicity later. Chinese, in their wisdom, had managed to keep China whole without any small tiny minorities breaking off and creating a hell of a mess.(think Tito, think Yugoslavia)
Yes, there is constant brainwashing here. I even get anti-Japanese news on my mobile phone occasionally, HOWEVER, the level of brainwashing in China is on the same level as brainwashing in Europe, America and in Serbia about how wonderful the West is.
In China, brainwashing is about how wonderful China and Chinese are.
The only difference is that in China you can't go whining on about 'democracy'. And people don't - not because they're so scared or because they're stupid, but because for a lot of people, their work affords them to live normally and majority simply don't CARE about who's in power.
Life in China IS better than that in the West at the moment - not because it's a paradise here (it's not, far from it) or because you earn a lot of money (you don't) but because you can afford yourself a whole lot of things with the money you DO earn here than back in the West.
The only time people get so passionately involved in politics is when the life in their country becomes unbearable.
China has no political correctness, corporal punishment in schools is rampant here, China has no 'special rights for minorities', it has no other liberal crap that cripple certain countries in the West.

And sure, I am a foreigner here and I cannot and will not speak for the Chinese people, because I am not one, but I will speak for the tiny foreigner community that is comprised of people who have been in China for many many years and have no plan or wish to go back to the West.

There must be something in that when people from ''biggest democracies and shining beacons of liberty'' choose by their own will to live, stay and work in a ''communist dictatorship''.

Think about it...

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Peggy

pre 13 godina

These acts make the case for Kosova even stronger
(UNE, 7 December 2010 19:39)
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UNE, this has NOTHING to do with "Kosova". Where do you get a connection?

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Je¿ (nie?)koszerny

pre 13 godina

What about the other countries?
(peggy, 7 December 2010 12:20)

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Shame on you Serbia
(Hugh, 7 December 2010 12:09)

Guys/girls: this is politics at it's "finest". Politics does not know the word "shame". This is the first one in few years awarded to a person who really suffers for a noble idea. Last few prizes were a joke. A corrupt Fin was awarded for some funny business and Obama for doing nothing.

Q: Did Serbia act correctly from point of view of Serbian interests? Heck, YES!
Q: Was it correct from ethical point of view? Heck, NO! Totally immoral and rotten decision.
Q: What would I do if I am president of Serbia? Probably resign over the dilemma - but lucky me - I would never be in that position.

Interestingly, no one answered my (not-so) railroad question. Here is the link, c'mon, answer it, it's almost the same - just "the other way": would you steal $50 from Kim Jong Il?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71351

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

We should form our own version. BRIC & the Non-Alligned are 3/4 of the world
(highduke, 7 December 2010 17:28)
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You realise the west represents about 1 billion of the 6 billion people in the world? China alone has more people, however, when we combine all of our allies, China, India, Russia, Brazil and the others, you are right, we have the overwhelming majority on our side.

Once the east becomes the world leader, it will be a very long feast for those who are prepared. There is no chance the west will ever compete again but perhaps it may become a junior partner once it gets its act together.

In 5 to 10 years, this will become much more clear. China will surpass the technological advantage of the west in a few years. That is when everything changes.

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KU

pre 13 godina

Was Serbia supposed to attend in the first place? I mean, ok the Nobel is important and everything, but do all the countries attend every year? I can understand a country that has a Nobel price winner, some ambassador or representative of some committee goes there. What if nobody wins? Did Serbia attend the last 5 or 10 Nobel prize ceremonies for example? And now it is not attending because of China? This type of journalism (B92 or BBC) of half said things is bad, instead of informing it just raises questions.

KU,
Professional Skeptic,
Sydney

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Peggy

pre 13 godina

We'll be there when you give prize to Julian Asange. Untill then s-off. We're busy fighting for Kosovo with our friend China.
(Via, 7 December 2010 15:28)
======================

I can only wish that this is how Tadic feels but he said he was ready to arrest Julian.

If only people like you had a say in Serbia. Now that would be a dream come true.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Enjoy safety of commenting from bella Italia
(Logic, 8 December 2010 03:28)

Ups!

I'm eating Haus Selchwurstel and drinking Hirter Biohanfbier right now, for late breakfast.

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Je¿ alkoholowy

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ Las Vegasowy, 7 December 2010 14:16)
Recommend (+1) Poor comment (-2)

Hey, why the ratings? I did not tell anything, just that I have a bet. If I lose, I will drink a glass of лоза made by Sisters in Грачаница. If I win, I will drink a glass of honey-based Ukrainian горилка. Fair? I will tell at the end: лоза or горилка, don't worry.

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Olli

pre 13 godina

deki wrote:

"Human Rights? Whats that LOL"

Well, deki, I hope life will soon take you to a situation in which you'll learn what's that. And when you are denied your rights, for example when you get arrested and tortured, please accept our deepest LOLs.

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ben

pre 13 godina

Now if you add to this (in)glorious list the names of the EU5 international law breakers that refuse to recognise Kosova beside the clear ICJ rule you get the picture of how clean and moral the Serbian struggle for Kosova is.

Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

That's the place. My father tells that on certain windy days one can hear Gypsy music leading Hajduk Veljko to battle, and some times battle cries. The first colt may father gave me was named after his horse--Kushlja(I cant even pronounce it correctly today). It is from father's stories and the music he used to play that fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.
(Black River Hajduk, 8 December 2010 22:19)

OK, there we are., let's misuse the Nobel subject a little, who cares anyway..

I'm touched a bit, I'd like to bring every single Serb - home.., except myself..

You're definitely in Krivi Vir- Rtanj- Zlot triangle, that's your "home" my friend. "One can hear.."., one can hear everything over there. Those stories contain mysticism and magic as a vehicle to transfer the truth from head to a head.. "Never to be forgotten.",- to be forgotten was the biggest nemesis to our identity and roots. If you ever go there you'll be amazed how many those stories you can hear., and when you hear the same- 50 km away- you'll be amazed how accurate those are. I suggest you to listen your father's stories just to confirm all if you ever go back. Krajina is land of rebels and mystic stories.

LOL., "they" were actually laying on the ground and speaking about mystic "gold stories" (two prisoners given for excavation works at Gamzigrad) some 20-25 years ago when in the middle of the story one was sucked by earth falling in the Roman chamber straight on several clay pots/hoards full of Galerius gold coins shining like on the Pirate movies. The guy couldn't "collect himself" for a few days being in shock and was awarded and released from prison.

You must go there to see Dionysus mosaic- the God of the grape harvest between leopards, holding grapes..

YOU MUST GO THERE!

Tips:

Rtanjski caj= the most "mystical" and amazing herbal infusion of Serbia.

Vlaski dol/Zajecar (few knows) you can see prehistorical fishes., etc on the gorge stones..

Vlaski sir, old hardest goat cheese.

Rtanjski yoghurt, you'll live "forever" if you drink it constantly (like in Homolje- people approx. drink 2/3 Sljivovica and only 1/3 of yoghurt there and die in 80, eliminate alcohol and you'll live 110)

Best regards!

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UNE

pre 13 godina

LOL good job soo predictable for jeremic. Instead of showing support for human rights they choose the side of the opressor.

These acts make the case for Kosova even stronger

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Was Serbia supposed to attend in the first place? I mean, ok the Nobel is important and everything, but do all the countries attend every year? I can understand a country that has a Nobel price winner, some ambassador or representative of some committee goes there. What if nobody wins? Did Serbia attend the last 5 or 10 Nobel prize ceremonies for example? And now it is not attending because of China? This type of journalism (B92 or BBC) of half said things is bad, instead of informing it just raises questions.

KU,
Professional Skeptic,
Sydney
(KU, 7 December 2010 17:49) "

The Guardian wondered about this, too, and says http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/china-nobel-peace-prize-clowns "Geir Lundestad, the committee's executive secretary, said that was "a very curious way of stating things [that 100 countries would not be attending], because only the 65 countries with embassies in Norway were invited." So, since Serbia has an embassy in Oslo, it was presumably invited.

But: "In one case, it is believed that an ambassador decided to attend in person – instead of sending another diplomat as he had planned – after receiving China's warning."

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 07:37)

Good enough, (if) Negotin has much better grapes (unfortunately not vines) than most of Italy. Give me a tip when you're there, you never know..

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Balsamaniac

pre 13 godina

PS. I'll publish free recipe here if anyone interested (never published, just to hit the Roman economy in retaliation).

You will never give money for Balsamic again, I promise you.
(ZMAJ, 7 December 2010 18:35)


Let's check out that balsamic recipe of yours,ZMAJ. I am curious to find out if anyone outdid me yet. AS far as I known,no one has.

Thanks in advance.

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brazilskifarmer

pre 13 godina

Well done Serbia! Who cares about Nobel? Nobel invented dynamite,gelignite and ballistite which is all about destruction, God knows what more he would've invented had he lived just a little longer,Nobel didn't care about humanity.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I called my father and asked him where were the vineyards located--and he said Black River. I tried Googling Black River+Serbia and all I got is a B92 video with some strange voodoo and besides that Black River is in southern Serbia. Any idea where it's at?
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 18:10)

This is a Black Timok or Black River., it has even smaller river going in at some point called again the same- Black River. Black Timok confluence in White Timok some 200 meters from the Zajecar city prison. So, your area should be somewhere in this area= 43°54'13.75"N / 22° 2'18.02"E wider area around Zlot. This is very good place. Not superb for grapes but nice area. I'm sure it's there. You better ask your father for the surnames of 4-5 girlfriends he had there., if 3 of those are Vlach surnames- IT'S THERE- "GPS" CONFIRMED!

Otherwise in Serbia you have 150 Black Rivers., any spring 1m wide can be "Black River" to locals..

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ tajwañski, 8 December 2010 16:56)

People in Taiwan do not want to be
anything other than Chinese. What Taiwan wants is for China to be 'democratic' and they to be with China, since Taiwan IS China.
The idea of 'democracy' that would initially make China ''better'' is the democracy made up by the Anglo-American establishment bent on monetary world domination.

Let's get to your questions -

#1: Should be a borderline beyond a State would not invade into the private life of citizens or there shouldn't be?

Please elaborate as to how this occurs in China so I may adequately answer your question. I hope your argument will be more impressive than 'single child policy'.

#2: If it should be - who should drive it?
See above

#3: If there shouldn't be - who should guarantee that the State is benevolent all the times towards own citizens (see Cultural Revolution).

See above. Benevolent state - hilarious. Especially coming form someone sitting in the West. I lol'd.

#4: If there are no guarantees - do the ones who have no guarantees apply the same rules to them self as to the "rest of us"?

Again, relation to China please. Elaborate.
I don't really know what makes me feel safer - a redneck sheriff with a shotgun, or unarmed Chinese police force...I'll think about this one.

#5: Is China THAT weak that a word of dissent can destroy it? If not - what to fear and who has to fear?

Do go back and read what I wrote in my previous comment. China is VERY strong, nationally and internationally, and the hard-line politics have contributed to this, lack of political correctness and a farce of democracy.

''Now about prosperity and quality of life and human rights. I have impression, Taiwanese are pretty much the same people. Except, their establishment increasingly eases the traditional restrictions. Surprisingly, instead of going down - Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia.''

Yes, well everyone has some kind of opinion and impression about things they know nothing about. Come and live in China then you may be able to give some kind of impression on what it's like and make a reasonable argument instead of regurgitating what TV told you about Taiwan and China.

People don't give a damn about democracy here, or their 'freedom' to bash the Party. Chairman Mao sacrificed much of ancient Chinese culture and habits to make China into China. Do I agree with it? No, I do not. Has it made China a paradise? No, it has not. It has kept China whole instead of god knows how many pathetic little American satellites as the case was with Yugoslavia.

It is sheer, unfounded arrogance which has been embedded in brains of certain western people that tell everyone that anything not working Anglo-Saxon way must be tyrannical, backward and savage.

Things aren't black and white. There ARE great places on this planet to live east of Berlin, despite what media brainwashes people with.

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KU

pre 13 godina

Oh, thanks for the link Amer. So Serbia has been explicitly invited, but will refuse because of the Chinese. So that "boycott" B92 talks about is 100% true after all. It doesn't look good on Serbia, especially considering that the current people in power in Serbia fought against a home grown dictator (Milosevic) to get to where they are today. Makes one wonder, makes one pessimistic.

By the way, there is one non exact thing in the last paragraph of the Guardian article too, I think. This is not the first time the prize has not been handed over since Nazi Germany. Solzhenitsyn could not get his Nobel prize either. Same situation, a dictatorship on one side, a dissident on the other, and a Nobel prize in the middle. Solzhenitsyn's prize was in literature though, not peace.

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Mescalero

pre 13 godina

Say thanks.
(ZMAJ, 7 December 2010 21:09)

Sounds good there Zmaj. Whyn't ya send me a bottle there so I kin see for my self how good it is, and that ya ain't falsely promoting your product.

And make sure you include your re turn address soz I kin send ya bottle of mine.

Just to firm up our new found friendship
I'll throw in a bottle of some of mine private rezerve White Lighting.

Also,I am a dog lover too, so send me picture of your dog--I've got pictures of dogs from all over the world hangin on my walls.

Zmaj, I waited for some time to pass so I can evaporate a little in order to thank you proper-like. I have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.

Although I Love Texas as much as Serbia if not more,as Texas is all I pretty much know, I have decided to shed my body in Serbia.

Besides, Texas ain't what it used to be,the Chinese are already starting to squeeze us for their money.

I appreciate you for your time and your recipe. I will announce my arrival on B92,and if it was meant to be,we'll eat your meze and drink my Mescal and sing:

Igrali su delije na sred zemle Serbie...

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Je¿ norweski

pre 13 godina

EU5 international law breakers that refuse to recognise Kosova beside the clear ICJ rule you get the picture of how clean and moral the Serbian struggle for Kosova is.

Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.
(ben, 7 December 2010 22:18)

Kosova is not the center of the known universe, by the way. The topic has nothing to do with it.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Regarding this event, Sam Zarifi, Amnesty International's director for the Asia-Pacific region, said: "There are a couple of disappointments, but it's effectively a club of countries with relatively bad human rights records."
Here is another sample of Serbia's alignment with the countries that have no regard for European human values.

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Jovan

pre 13 godina

well, if someone like this finnish ex-president recieves the nobel-prize ..then this prize is solely a political ritual, but not a real prize to honor the achievements of truly good and inspiring poeple.

Matisaari "wins" the nobel-prize? okay, then even Goofy should get one, or Bob the Builder!

so, here the choice is clear, showing solidarity with China is a smarter move than "honoring" a person who is most likely only being "honored" in order to let China look like a villain.

propaganda...

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Zoti

pre 13 godina

Here is another sample of Serbia's alignment with the countries that have no regard for European human values.
(jesse, 8 December 2010)

Serbia has consistently aligned itself with Non-Western or European values for the most part of XX century and continues to this day. It is apparent from many Serb posters here(who I should add by and large live in Western societies) that they rather align themselves with Chinese or Russian values than European ones.

I don't think it's hypocritical, it's just Serbs being part of the Orient.

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uli

pre 13 godina

CG- My grandfather Sotir Bano, was a Partizan and fought together with Albanians Communist and Yugoslavs against Hitler. So, get your facts straight. There were albanians that did not sided with Hitler and those Albanians did won the war.

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CG

pre 13 godina

The Nobel prize is a political propaganda tool for the West.
The other nations should scrap it and introduce a Chinese "Konfucius price"(which could be later also politically instrumented in favour of Chinese interests...)
The same thing goes for the "International Court in The Hague..."

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Pálinkás Ёжи

pre 13 godina

Aung San Suu Kyi's sons accepted for her.

So far, India and Brazil are saying they're going.
(Amer, 7 December 2010 22:10)

I fail to see any major differences between her and Liu Xiaobo, except the gender. She is hailed here, so more consistence would not hurt. Both are fighting the same kind of fight Serbs did fight for centuries.

To tell the truth I see nearly everyone to fall in "Joe's trap" (sorry to pick on Joe, but he is obviously in the trap).

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71357

In short, Joe - as very loyal to America - did express some pretty extreme views regarding Wikileaks. Step back folks. Loyalty to WHOM? I understand loyalty to America, Serbia, Russia, Albania. But even if you are loyal to a country, think about:

1) Are you loyal to the country or to the political establishment?
2) Is the political establishment loyal to the country?
3) Whom does political establishment represent?

It's easy to fall into that trap... after Sarah Palin I would call it a "pálinka trap", LOL.

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At last but not least. If you feel that your favorite country can't survive the slightest critics - than it's a loser, week country not worth even to mention. My gut feeling is, USA, Russia and China will somehow more-less survive some critics even from their own expressed on B92.

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metrod

pre 13 godina

"Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.
ben"

Strong stomach, indeed! History agrees with you!

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Ari Gold

pre 13 godina

As much as I love my homeland and Serbs as a people... they're kidding themselves if they think that China will ever surpass the US as the world's greatest superpower.

Wait another twenty-thirty years. We'll see what's what.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

KU - I missed that part in the article about Solzhenitsyn. What is new about this year is that no member of the family has been allowed to travel to Norway to accept for the recipient - Solzhenitsyn's wife accepted for him, Aung San Suu Kyi's sons accepted for her.

So far, India and Brazil are saying they're going.

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Je¿ tajwañski

pre 13 godina

"Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia"

Apologies, I should say "Taiwan is one of the most prosperous areas to live in Asia". It's legally part of China and not a country.

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adrian/bucharest

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ
Thank you for that, then why are you trying to be different now?!
In this type of situations mixing black and white results black not grey. We know it very well.

BTW, Ceausescu would have given the finger to China now, as he did with the USSR in 1968 for Prague.

China has made huuuge steps ahead in modernising the country and society, the only thing keeping them behind is some idiotic old ideological issues and the influence of some quiet personal rivalry between its elite. Getting the point and having a softer stance on Xiaobo type situations would only make them stronger, both internally and internationaly.

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Bardhyl

pre 13 godina

"There is no candidate country, or potential candidate country, that in this way manifests its obedience" to China, Kacin said.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/breakingnews/serbia-to-boycott-nobel-peace-prize-ceremony-for-chinese-dissident-111511779.html?path=/world/breakingnews&id=111511779&sortBy=oldest

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CG

pre 13 godina

Serbia has consistently aligned itself with Non-Western or European values for the most part of XX century and continues to this day. It is apparent from many Serb posters here(who I should add by and large live in Western societies) that they rather align themselves with Chinese or Russian values than European ones.

I don't think it's hypocritical, it's just Serbs being part of the Orient.
(Zoti, 8 December 2010 17:28)

You are absolutely right,Zoti,we didn`t also align ourselves with the "European values" from 1933-1945 while the Croats and Albanians were busy aligning themselves to the "Führer" of the "1933-1945 European value system".
Yes I am a nationalistic Serb from Montenegro,and yes I deeply hate Europe,this old whore!
Brotherhood and partnership lies in common blood,and that is why only Russians can be considered our pravoslavic brothers,not even the Greeks because they are only pravo(orthodox)but not slavic...

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Black River Hajduk

pre 13 godina

Otherwise in Serbia you have 150 Black Rivers., any spring 1m wide can be "Black River" to locals..
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 19:35)

That's the place. My father tells that on certain windy days one can hear Gypsy music leading Hajduk Veljko to battle, and some times battle cries. The first colt may father gave me was named after his horse--Kushlja(I cant even pronounce it correctly today). It is from father's stories and the music he used to play that fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.

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Alex

pre 13 godina

By the way: if Julian Assange was a chinese who revealed secrets about the chinese and/or russian diplomacy and army he would have been since a long time a very hot candidate for the nobel prize for peace, invited to dozens of talk-shows on stupid american channels and a hero of the western "free" world. But autsch, he is not chinese...
United Hypocrisy of the West salutes U!

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Logic

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ - Thanks! Both recipes reflect real international spirit, accepted with pleasure.
To some dog-hating mafiosi: don't even dream of it! Knowing the geographic origin of ZMAJ's Rundov I can assure you it would be below his dignity to even look at your kind offering. He would be seriously involved with the innards of the Italian fashionable packaging instead. Enjoy safety of commenting from bella Italia

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alex

pre 13 godina

Bravo Serbia for this decision! We have seen during and after the war in Kosovo what human rights mean to western european countries: nothing else than hypocrisy followed by blackmailing! When once war was the continuation of diplomacy but with other means (Clausewitz) so the human rights are today the justification for war where diplomacy failed!

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ben

pre 13 godina

United Hypocrisy of the West salutes U!
(Alex, 9 December 2010 21:26)

If Assange was a Chinese he would have been dead.

United intellect of West salutes U!

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ben

pre 13 godina

fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.
(Black River Hajduk, 8 December 2010 22:19)

yes they fo hand by hand, don’t they ?? so many things in common values, history...

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Je¿ tajwañski

pre 13 godina

Think about it...
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 11:29)

Yes, I did - and there are some questions and let's accept what you say at the face value for the moment.

#1: Should be a borderline beyond a State would not invade into the private life of citizens or there shouldn't be?

#2: If it should be - who should drive it?

#3: If there shouldn't be - who should guarantee that the State is benevolent all the times towards own citizens (see Cultural Revolution).

#4: If there are no guarantees - do the ones who have no guarantees apply the same rules to them self as to the "rest of us"?

#5: Is China THAT weak that a word of dissent can destroy it? If not - what to fear and who has to fear?

Now about prosperity and quality of life and human rights. I have impression, Taiwanese are pretty much the same people. Except, their establishment increasingly eases the traditional restrictions. Surprisingly, instead of going down - Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia.

I feel, there is "Sum Thing Wong" about your arguments... ;-)

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Mescalero

pre 13 godina

have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 07:37)

Good enough, (if) Negotin has much better grapes (unfortunately not vines) than most of Italy. Give me a tip when you're there, you never know..
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 14:11)

I called my father and asked him where were the vineyards located--and he said Black River. I tried Googling Black River+Serbia and all I got is a B92 video with some strange voodoo and besides that Black River is in southern Serbia. Any idea where it's at?

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"I fail to see any major differences between Aung San Suu Kyi and Liu Xiaobo, except the gender. She is hailed here, so more consistence would not hurt. Both are fighting the same kind of fight Serbs did fight for centuries.


(Pálinkás Ёжи, 8 December 2010 00:20) "

The point was that in other cases, there have been family members who were allowed to attend the ceremony (Elena Bonner, remember?), or who were already abroad and thus able to attend. In Liu Xiaobo's case, his wife is apparently being held under house arrest, or at least, incommunicado, and other Chinese who might have been able to speak in his place have been unable to leave the country. It's a new level of opposition to the prize, which will probably gain infinitely more prestige from the actions of the Chinese government than simply ignoring the whole affair would have.

What those "consequences" the Chinese are warning of will undoubtedly get discussed in diplomatic cables - now those would be interesting to see.

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Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 )

pre 13 godina

People in Taiwan do not want to be anything other than Chinese.
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 20:11)

BTW - they are split on that, there is some tension between "mainlanders" (moved there after 1949) and "native". I feel, "native" are in the minority.

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The idea of 'democracy' that would initially make China ''better'' is the democracy made up by the Anglo-American establishment bent on monetary world domination.
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 20:11)

I do not define 'democracy'. I intentionally avoided that word. It is over-abused.

My questions are very simple. The problem is, that you expect an argument. A properly asked question IS the argument. And an unanswered question IS an answer, too.

You made some assumptions tough which need to be addressed. Sorry. ;-)

Assumption #1: "Benevolent state - hilarious. Especially coming form someone sitting in the West. I lol'd."

I did LOL-d too, about "sitting in the West". Do you see my IP address? No.

a) Luckily everyone here knows where I am sitting.
b) Luckily everyone here knows, am I "Western" or not.
c) Unfortunately the "Benevolent state" concept is not that hilarious. I was brainwashed from kindergarten with that concept through good half of my life.

OK, the Assumption #2:

"instead of regurgitating what TV told you about Taiwan and China."

I don't claim to be an expert on Taiwan and China. My Chinese is extremely limited and poor, shame on me, limited to few phrases and very minimal is what I can read. It does not mean, all information I have is from TV because I don't watch TV at all.

But I can tell you: I will hold my own against you with two things:

a) how fast drive a car from 中正國際機場 to 花蓮市 without getting lost, without GPS and without traffic tickets.

b) the amount of 芽菜包 I can eat. The most spicy ones, too. My favorite, much better than the Taiwanese or Cantonese versions.

Sorry (done both). And sorry, you hoped to catch a redneck Yank munching a large hamburger in his Alabama trailer home. You got someone else. OK, now let's continue in earnest. Now you know that I know that you know what I know.

And the army of the hedgehogs now has a new member - 刺猬 苏联 They marching on!

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Je¿ diksowy

pre 13 godina

redneck Yank munching a large hamburger in his Alabama trailer home.
(Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 ), 9 December 2010 02:41)

1) Hihihihi - no one noticed the tongue-in-cheek? That creature in Alabama is for sure not Yank but Dixie.

2) I won the bet both times!!! Thank you San Francisco, my next vacation is not sure yet where. That means, I have to drink two glasses of горілка today. To tell the truth, I was somewhat desperate yesterday that we won't see the San Francisco fog coming down on B92. But ultimately it happened. Not here, but in an other related thread.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

pre 13 godina

And the army of the hedgehogs now has a new member - 刺猬 苏联 They marching on!
(Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 )

Did you mean 苏联刺猬 instead of 刺猬苏联??

And do tell me where you ate ya cai bao spicy? As far as I know, ya cai bao isn't spicy at all. It isn't sold anywhere here as spicy, and I live in Sichuan.

Maybe you ate ya cai ''xiao''... Hahaha! Ya cai xiao...I made a funny.


Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍

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Je¿ rosyjski

pre 13 godina

Did you mean 苏联刺猬 instead of 刺猬苏联??
Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍
(Mi Ai Z)

Of course, one is the hedgehog, the other is where the hedgehog is from. As said, my Chinese is very poor - but I know, that "苏联" is not some Anglo-Saxon place.

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And do tell me where you ate ya cai bao spicy?

Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍
(Mi Ai Z

Probably the best baozi I had was in Xining, early morning, waiting for the train to Golmud. Not very small, pretty spicy - but I like it, full with glass noodles and vegetables and everything you can imagine. Very good. I really hate the way the screw up them in TWN, in Taibei they are greasy, not much phantasy inside - and after steaming baozi they kill it by grilling it. It has to have all the juice inside, what Taiwanese do with it is cruel.

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The adventure with the car was true too, not joking. I arrived at the CKS airport and since I was on the business travel with better money allowance - I just rented a car, that was a Toyota for TWN market. Later on my friend asked me, do I want her to call a taxi for me. I told her, I am driving. She almost passed out, LOL. At the end nothing happened, no ticket and no damage.

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icj1

pre 13 godina

Oh yes, human rights, like the US State Department ordering its government workers not to read any WikiLeaks. Something that is already of public domain. What next from Big Brother DC, mind control of all Americans?
(winston, 7 December 2010 16:40)

Please clarify… During business hours or not? Because if it’s during business hours, of course it’s the employer who pays you to do what the employer tells you to do.


see that the real future is China, Russia, India, etc., and not the decaying West.
(winston, 7 December 2010 16:40)

It’s strange that millions of people from poor countries spend fortunes and risk their lives (not like you that speak from the confort of your home and don’t have anything at stake) to go to the “decaying West” and not the Chinese and Russian paradises. But what do they know; they must be stupid… you know much better.


We should form our own version. BRIC & the Non-Alligned are 3/4 of the world
(highduke, 7 December 2010 17:28)

To do what ?! Guys come to your senses…. We are no longer in the 70s; Yugoslavia no longer exist; “not aligned” means little these days. Everybody is not aligned; in case you have not heard the news of the last 20 years…


Looks like you finally figured it all out EA. Anything done in politics is done for political reasons.
(trudsaam, 7 December 2010 18:08)

Where did the words “principled position” go ?!... We heard them over, and over, and over in the last few years.


You realise the west represents about 1 billion of the 6 billion people in the world? China alone has more people, however, when we combine all of our allies, China, India, Russia, Brazil and the others, you are right, we have the overwhelming majority on our side.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

And then what ?!!!! There are billions of insects in the world, even more than the Chinese or the entire homo sapiens population; does that mean anything ?

It’s the quality that matters, not the quantity. Would you prefer to be 1 of the 1.3 billion Chinese or 1 of the 500 thousand Luxembourgers ?

As for the majority on your side … Yes, you do have it; there is small problem though, that it is the majority that does not count for the Serbia-Kosovo issue. But I’m sure it’s important for your moral support :)


Once the east becomes the world leader, it will be a very long feast for those who are prepared. There is no chance the west will ever compete again but perhaps it may become a junior partner once it gets its act together.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

You got it; they are going to cooperate just fine as they do know. UK is much smaller than US; nobody has seen a problem out of that; they are good partners.

In 5 to 10 years, this will become much more clear. China will surpass the technological advantage of the west in a few years. That is when everything changes.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

Yeah, let us know when that happens …


Gore should be tried for war crimes nleashing bombs contrary to the mission of the Nobel Peace Price which is not a credible organization, but turning into a political one.
(Jugoslavija, 7 December 2010 20:55)

Please provide proof that a war crime was committed and that was Gore who committed it as defined by the international humanitarian law.


What's best for China is China's internal affair and we have some obligations and respect to that, as everyone should.

Our support is generated on the base of friendship and Chinese support toward us. So simple.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 10:10)

Best for China’s people or China’s rulers ? Are you friends with China’s people or China’s rulers ?


Apologies, I should say "Taiwan is one of the most prosperous areas to live in Asia". It's legally part of China and not a country.
(Je¿ tajwañski, 8 December 2010 16:59)

People care about the reality not paper (assuming you are right that Taiwan is legally part of China on paper).

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The Eagle

pre 13 godina

Typical Serbia and this for 2 reasons:

1. being the puppet of China
2. Peace is something you can not find in your dictionary.

A bunch of hypocrits, that is what you are!

The Eagle

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t

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Keeping good company, as usual.

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Mario

pre 13 godina

Shame on Luigi on passing judgment on Serbia. The Nobel committee awarded the peace prize to Martti Ahtisaari, the guy who made that stupid recommendation for Kosovo defacto independence as well as Obama, who's troops are killing people in Afghanistan every day.

I'm glad that Serbia is part of a number of brave countries that are sending a message to the guys on the Nobel Committee to stop using the prize as a political tool for NATO.

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EA

pre 13 godina

It suits Serbia to keep China sweet especially when it comes to Kosovo. Why should Serbia be bothered about an individual and upset China especially when it comes to Kosovo issue...." China always has supported Serbia territorial and sovereignity...". It is all politics!

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tani

pre 13 godina

Serbia is still the same, as always against the HUMAN RIGHTS just for the sake of her extremist nationalistic goals. Serbia is still a country that need to be kept in check. Every minority in Serbia have more reason to feel more insecure now. This is just defending national interest they say. So even the massacre of serbenica could be justified, by these serbian standards of national interest. Everyone that have to deal with Serbia should keep in mind this way of behaving.

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winston

pre 13 godina

Oh yes, human rights, like the US State Department ordering its government workers not to read any WikiLeaks. Something that is already of public domain. What next from Big Brother DC, mind control of all Americans? As for the Nobel prize, it has become a complete farce. The perfect reason why, last year's recipient, Obama. Does the French diplomat in today's WikiLeak story still believe that Belgrade will roll over and give away part of its nation? I am happy to see that Tadic and Co. see that the real future is China, Russia, India, etc., and not the decaying West.

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Je¿ (nie?)koszerny

pre 13 godina

What about the other countries?
(peggy, 7 December 2010 12:20)

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Shame on you Serbia
(Hugh, 7 December 2010 12:09)

Guys/girls: this is politics at it's "finest". Politics does not know the word "shame". This is the first one in few years awarded to a person who really suffers for a noble idea. Last few prizes were a joke. A corrupt Fin was awarded for some funny business and Obama for doing nothing.

Q: Did Serbia act correctly from point of view of Serbian interests? Heck, YES!
Q: Was it correct from ethical point of view? Heck, NO! Totally immoral and rotten decision.
Q: What would I do if I am president of Serbia? Probably resign over the dilemma - but lucky me - I would never be in that position.

Interestingly, no one answered my (not-so) railroad question. Here is the link, c'mon, answer it, it's almost the same - just "the other way": would you steal $50 from Kim Jong Il?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71351

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

This event has lost its prestige and has become a political circus. It's great to see some countries taking action and ignoring it.

I'm not sure why Serbia is boycotting but I'd much rather it take the side of China and Russia instead of some committee that awards people for political purposes?

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Top

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Is it only me who thinks the name 'Serbia' looks a bit misplaced in this list? ;-)

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UNE

pre 13 godina

LOL good job soo predictable for jeremic. Instead of showing support for human rights they choose the side of the opressor.

These acts make the case for Kosova even stronger

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paulie

pre 13 godina

For all those Serbia bashers, how many of y'all supported the famous Obama Peace Prize? You remember the one for simply saying things that sounded peaceful, the one for his month-or-so-long tenure in office where the world was brought from the brink of war to a state of everlasting peace -- oops that was the dream part? If the Nobel Peace Prize is given for shallow words, as we have all seen what Obama's Peace means -- extended wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and a renaming of the mission in Iraq; additional military base openings, in all places like Columbia (World's Cocaine headquarters), Afghanistan (World's Opium headquarters) and Kosovo (Europe's narcotics crossroad)? Then what level of credibility does it have? Why should one attend a party for such a shame award?
I say shame on everyone else for supporting last year's award winner and further for not demanding that it be withdrawn.
Imperialistic lapdogs we all are.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Shame on Serbia...
(Luigi, 7 December 2010 11:03)

Shame on you Serbia
(Hugh, 7 December 2010 12:09)

Yes we're red of shame., like Chinese flag.

But we don't care, it's good for blood circulation.

You can ask someone like Jakob von Uexkull to explain to you what's Nobel actually before you stupidly address anyone. Nobel is much bigger shame. They refused to establish award for living conditions of the poor people and environmental achievements.. Because "he" never wanted that.. The controversy of the Nobel Prize is widely known. You're burning yourself thanks to the acid you spit around, you and your "fancy" prizes.

The new world has the new prizes.

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Je¿ alkoholowy

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ Las Vegasowy, 7 December 2010 14:16)
Recommend (+1) Poor comment (-2)

Hey, why the ratings? I did not tell anything, just that I have a bet. If I lose, I will drink a glass of лоза made by Sisters in Грачаница. If I win, I will drink a glass of honey-based Ukrainian горилка. Fair? I will tell at the end: лоза or горилка, don't worry.

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

We should form our own version. BRIC & the Non-Alligned are 3/4 of the world
(highduke, 7 December 2010 17:28)
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You realise the west represents about 1 billion of the 6 billion people in the world? China alone has more people, however, when we combine all of our allies, China, India, Russia, Brazil and the others, you are right, we have the overwhelming majority on our side.

Once the east becomes the world leader, it will be a very long feast for those who are prepared. There is no chance the west will ever compete again but perhaps it may become a junior partner once it gets its act together.

In 5 to 10 years, this will become much more clear. China will surpass the technological advantage of the west in a few years. That is when everything changes.

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ben

pre 13 godina

Now if you add to this (in)glorious list the names of the EU5 international law breakers that refuse to recognise Kosova beside the clear ICJ rule you get the picture of how clean and moral the Serbian struggle for Kosova is.

Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.

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Aleks

pre 13 godina

"Russia, Kazakhstan, Colombia, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Venezuela, the Philippines, Egypt, Sudan, Ukraine, Cuba and Morocco would miss the event"

Colombia: US's greatest ally in LatAm;
Kazakhstan: US soldiers there supporting US operations in Af;

Pakistan: Long term US ally, known for mass proliferation of nuclear weapons technologies to anyone who will pay;

Saudi Arabia: Long term US ally who funds terrorists with proceeds from selling oil. Also funded Pakistan's nuclear bomb program and has IRBMs from China...

Egypt: Long term US ally. Supposedly democratic as long as the President remains the President. Cornerstone of US' strategy to keep M/E calm (1979 Camp David accords);

Philippines: Long term US client state, though much less so. Hosted massive US airbase for many decades;

Ukraine: Until recently US & EU client state, regardless of idiocy of this policy;

Morocco: Long term US & EU ally, autocratic but liberal enough for westerners to take holidays (drugs and whatever) there.

So clearly quite a few states that are not considered pariah's by the great and the good in the West. Still, why let facts get in the way of a 'good' headline?

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Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

RE: Tit for Tat

Al Gore received the Nobel Pease Prize, a "human rights" activist does not endorse the use of depleted Uranium bombs in Yugoslavia contaminating the Balkans for centuries. What kind of environmentalist would do this?

You hypocrites!!

Gore should be tried for war crimes nleashing bombs contrary to the mission of the Nobel Peace Price which is not a credible organization, but turning into a political one.

Serbia and every country should boycott every Nobel Peace Prize event becuase it does not promote peace.

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KU

pre 13 godina

Was Serbia supposed to attend in the first place? I mean, ok the Nobel is important and everything, but do all the countries attend every year? I can understand a country that has a Nobel price winner, some ambassador or representative of some committee goes there. What if nobody wins? Did Serbia attend the last 5 or 10 Nobel prize ceremonies for example? And now it is not attending because of China? This type of journalism (B92 or BBC) of half said things is bad, instead of informing it just raises questions.

KU,
Professional Skeptic,
Sydney

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Olli

pre 13 godina

deki wrote:

"Human Rights? Whats that LOL"

Well, deki, I hope life will soon take you to a situation in which you'll learn what's that. And when you are denied your rights, for example when you get arrested and tortured, please accept our deepest LOLs.

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Peggy

pre 13 godina

These acts make the case for Kosova even stronger
(UNE, 7 December 2010 19:39)
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UNE, this has NOTHING to do with "Kosova". Where do you get a connection?

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highduke

pre 13 godina

Serbia is a puppet of China for taking the same stand as most of the world? And that makes us hypocrites? Serbophobes make the most sensational baseless accusations

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Peggy

pre 13 godina

We'll be there when you give prize to Julian Asange. Untill then s-off. We're busy fighting for Kosovo with our friend China.
(Via, 7 December 2010 15:28)
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I can only wish that this is how Tadic feels but he said he was ready to arrest Julian.

If only people like you had a say in Serbia. Now that would be a dream come true.

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Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

Keeping good company, as usual.
(t, 7 December 2010 12:55)

You forgot those other 'bastions' of liberal democracy - Saudi Arabia, Colombia and Afghanistan.

Glasshouses, stones, throw. Duh!

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I was about writing the same comment already posted by Luigi.
Serbia is not in good company.
(massimo, 7 December 2010 12:02)

Luigi and Massimo., che bene!

We don't want your company (dot)!

WHY?!

I don't know.., but maybe because you're the Jesus killers, first of all. SHAME ON YOU!!

Secondly, we do not appreciate your kitsch fashion, your stupid mafia black sunglasses, your false mozzarella and false Balsamic. (personally making much better then Modena 100% natural, more compact and tasty, anyone can do it himself).

PS. I'll publish free recipe here if anyone interested (never published, just to hit the Roman economy in retaliation).

You will never give money for Balsamic again, I promise you.

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brazilskifarmer

pre 13 godina

Well done Serbia! Who cares about Nobel? Nobel invented dynamite,gelignite and ballistite which is all about destruction, God knows what more he would've invented had he lived just a little longer,Nobel didn't care about humanity.

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Zoti

pre 13 godina

Here is another sample of Serbia's alignment with the countries that have no regard for European human values.
(jesse, 8 December 2010)

Serbia has consistently aligned itself with Non-Western or European values for the most part of XX century and continues to this day. It is apparent from many Serb posters here(who I should add by and large live in Western societies) that they rather align themselves with Chinese or Russian values than European ones.

I don't think it's hypocritical, it's just Serbs being part of the Orient.

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Bardhyl

pre 13 godina

"There is no candidate country, or potential candidate country, that in this way manifests its obedience" to China, Kacin said.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/breakingnews/serbia-to-boycott-nobel-peace-prize-ceremony-for-chinese-dissident-111511779.html?path=/world/breakingnews&id=111511779&sortBy=oldest

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

It suits Serbia to keep China sweet especially when it comes to Kosovo. Why should Serbia be bothered about an individual and upset China especially when it comes to Kosovo issue...." China always has supported Serbia territorial and sovereignity...". It is all politics!
(EA)
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Looks like you finally figured it all out EA. Anything done in politics is done for political reasons.

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KU

pre 13 godina

Oh, thanks for the link Amer. So Serbia has been explicitly invited, but will refuse because of the Chinese. So that "boycott" B92 talks about is 100% true after all. It doesn't look good on Serbia, especially considering that the current people in power in Serbia fought against a home grown dictator (Milosevic) to get to where they are today. Makes one wonder, makes one pessimistic.

By the way, there is one non exact thing in the last paragraph of the Guardian article too, I think. This is not the first time the prize has not been handed over since Nazi Germany. Solzhenitsyn could not get his Nobel prize either. Same situation, a dictatorship on one side, a dissident on the other, and a Nobel prize in the middle. Solzhenitsyn's prize was in literature though, not peace.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

(adrian/bucharest, 7 December 2010 20:21)

Listen Ceauºescu.,

when I was 15 years old boy, camping and fishing with a friends near Kladovo., we save 5 Romanian hanging (cross-hands) on a small barrel a front of our tent.. We gave them food (all the food we had) and hide them in a tent despite that with a third patrol we drunk Sljivovica 15 minutes about while Romanians were "not breeding" inside.. After that we showed them the way and gave them some few dinars we had. We stayed hungry next one and half day (until our parents come) eating sugar and fish only and we committed crime against our own loved country, to save some poor people..

Don't talk about principles to us., just like that- "click".

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Je¿ norweski

pre 13 godina

EU5 international law breakers that refuse to recognise Kosova beside the clear ICJ rule you get the picture of how clean and moral the Serbian struggle for Kosova is.

Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.
(ben, 7 December 2010 22:18)

Kosova is not the center of the known universe, by the way. The topic has nothing to do with it.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Regarding this event, Sam Zarifi, Amnesty International's director for the Asia-Pacific region, said: "There are a couple of disappointments, but it's effectively a club of countries with relatively bad human rights records."
Here is another sample of Serbia's alignment with the countries that have no regard for European human values.

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Ari Gold

pre 13 godina

As much as I love my homeland and Serbs as a people... they're kidding themselves if they think that China will ever surpass the US as the world's greatest superpower.

Wait another twenty-thirty years. We'll see what's what.

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CG

pre 13 godina

Serbia has consistently aligned itself with Non-Western or European values for the most part of XX century and continues to this day. It is apparent from many Serb posters here(who I should add by and large live in Western societies) that they rather align themselves with Chinese or Russian values than European ones.

I don't think it's hypocritical, it's just Serbs being part of the Orient.
(Zoti, 8 December 2010 17:28)

You are absolutely right,Zoti,we didn`t also align ourselves with the "European values" from 1933-1945 while the Croats and Albanians were busy aligning themselves to the "Führer" of the "1933-1945 European value system".
Yes I am a nationalistic Serb from Montenegro,and yes I deeply hate Europe,this old whore!
Brotherhood and partnership lies in common blood,and that is why only Russians can be considered our pravoslavic brothers,not even the Greeks because they are only pravo(orthodox)but not slavic...

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CG

pre 13 godina

The Nobel prize is a political propaganda tool for the West.
The other nations should scrap it and introduce a Chinese "Konfucius price"(which could be later also politically instrumented in favour of Chinese interests...)
The same thing goes for the "International Court in The Hague..."

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Jovan

pre 13 godina

well, if someone like this finnish ex-president recieves the nobel-prize ..then this prize is solely a political ritual, but not a real prize to honor the achievements of truly good and inspiring poeple.

Matisaari "wins" the nobel-prize? okay, then even Goofy should get one, or Bob the Builder!

so, here the choice is clear, showing solidarity with China is a smarter move than "honoring" a person who is most likely only being "honored" in order to let China look like a villain.

propaganda...

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Let's check out that balsamic recipe of yours,ZMAJ. I am curious to find out if anyone outdid me yet. AS far as I known,no one has.

Thanks in advance.
(Balsamaniac, 7 December 2010 19:26)

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Don't "sell" to me this "..outdid me yet" because I know "on fingers" how many people make good Balsamic except Italians..

Cannot give you the (my own Balsamic) race of the grapes because is very "located" geographically so everyone would know where I'm living. That luxury I cannot afford because of the safety of my dog (can be poisoned by low profile Mafia).

However, in the name of the free world- here it is:

(DON'T underestimate the simplicity)

My dose- you can reduce proportionally and "play"..

100 kilos fresh (as dark as possible- non sour) organic grapes you press juice as for ordinary wine. You must have (100k) huge 120 liters dish to very slowly cook that. (Very slowly= up to 3 days! Depends on grapes) The compacted juice must loose about 9 parts in quantity and "reach" 9-11 liters. Don't burn that! Don't put anything else!

Another 100 kilos of very sweet organic white grapes you'll hang on the most sunny (night airy) place for a 15-20 days (or up to 25, depends on the sun- if necessary protect with net). Don't put anything else! Start making wine., it will be thick and when "boiling" finishes and sugars "disappear" you'll "infect" it straight away with a liter of VERY strong quality- organic vinegar and packet of organic pasta, macaroni., etc. Leave it 5 days and then filtrate.

The "wine" (almost vinegar) put together with firstly made compact juice and stir patiently until dissolve completely. Put in a Oak barrel (double bigger- better) making "angel's share" as big as possible. Don't put anything else!

Next year- same time you can give that to any Reggio Emilia or Modena "expert"., and please tell him it's 8 years old exclusively white grapes (!!) Balsamic.. Watch his face.

Tips:

Organic=not transition stage or some 2 years "organic", presence of fertilizers or anything else have huge impact and slow things down amazingly.

New barrel=safe barrel

PS. You better prepare the bottle for the "expert" guy (some Luigi or Massimo, probably) because he'll not going out without it.

Enjoy!

Bonus:

Rocket (Eruca sativa)
-big peaces

Tomato
-small cubes

Halloumi (Cypriot cheese)
-tiny peaces - grilled

Njeguska prsuta
-tiny as possible VERY lightly grilled

Walnuts
-whole and a lot

Make the salad out of that- put "your" free world Balsamic and organic Olive Oil lower than 0.3 (acidity) and NO salt. The last (acidity) makes it impossible to be made with any Italian Olive Oil- "best in the world" (MYTH and LIE). Kill 'em with low acidity.

Say thanks.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

KU - I missed that part in the article about Solzhenitsyn. What is new about this year is that no member of the family has been allowed to travel to Norway to accept for the recipient - Solzhenitsyn's wife accepted for him, Aung San Suu Kyi's sons accepted for her.

So far, India and Brazil are saying they're going.

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Mescalero

pre 13 godina

have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 07:37)

Good enough, (if) Negotin has much better grapes (unfortunately not vines) than most of Italy. Give me a tip when you're there, you never know..
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 14:11)

I called my father and asked him where were the vineyards located--and he said Black River. I tried Googling Black River+Serbia and all I got is a B92 video with some strange voodoo and besides that Black River is in southern Serbia. Any idea where it's at?

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ben

pre 13 godina

fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.
(Black River Hajduk, 8 December 2010 22:19)

yes they fo hand by hand, don’t they ?? so many things in common values, history...

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Balsamaniac

pre 13 godina

PS. I'll publish free recipe here if anyone interested (never published, just to hit the Roman economy in retaliation).

You will never give money for Balsamic again, I promise you.
(ZMAJ, 7 December 2010 18:35)


Let's check out that balsamic recipe of yours,ZMAJ. I am curious to find out if anyone outdid me yet. AS far as I known,no one has.

Thanks in advance.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

pre 13 godina

(adrian/bucharest, 8 December 2010 06:44)

Sorry, adrian, you're wrong. I love China and I like living here, HOWEVER, what makes China incredibly strong, especially internally is the hard-line political ideology.
I hope you release how many little ethnicities apart from Han live in China and have their own little things going on. Everyone here, regardless if they are Miao, Han or whatever, is Chinese first, then their ethnicity later. Chinese, in their wisdom, had managed to keep China whole without any small tiny minorities breaking off and creating a hell of a mess.(think Tito, think Yugoslavia)
Yes, there is constant brainwashing here. I even get anti-Japanese news on my mobile phone occasionally, HOWEVER, the level of brainwashing in China is on the same level as brainwashing in Europe, America and in Serbia about how wonderful the West is.
In China, brainwashing is about how wonderful China and Chinese are.
The only difference is that in China you can't go whining on about 'democracy'. And people don't - not because they're so scared or because they're stupid, but because for a lot of people, their work affords them to live normally and majority simply don't CARE about who's in power.
Life in China IS better than that in the West at the moment - not because it's a paradise here (it's not, far from it) or because you earn a lot of money (you don't) but because you can afford yourself a whole lot of things with the money you DO earn here than back in the West.
The only time people get so passionately involved in politics is when the life in their country becomes unbearable.
China has no political correctness, corporal punishment in schools is rampant here, China has no 'special rights for minorities', it has no other liberal crap that cripple certain countries in the West.

And sure, I am a foreigner here and I cannot and will not speak for the Chinese people, because I am not one, but I will speak for the tiny foreigner community that is comprised of people who have been in China for many many years and have no plan or wish to go back to the West.

There must be something in that when people from ''biggest democracies and shining beacons of liberty'' choose by their own will to live, stay and work in a ''communist dictatorship''.

Think about it...

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Je¿ tajwañski

pre 13 godina

Think about it...
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 11:29)

Yes, I did - and there are some questions and let's accept what you say at the face value for the moment.

#1: Should be a borderline beyond a State would not invade into the private life of citizens or there shouldn't be?

#2: If it should be - who should drive it?

#3: If there shouldn't be - who should guarantee that the State is benevolent all the times towards own citizens (see Cultural Revolution).

#4: If there are no guarantees - do the ones who have no guarantees apply the same rules to them self as to the "rest of us"?

#5: Is China THAT weak that a word of dissent can destroy it? If not - what to fear and who has to fear?

Now about prosperity and quality of life and human rights. I have impression, Taiwanese are pretty much the same people. Except, their establishment increasingly eases the traditional restrictions. Surprisingly, instead of going down - Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia.

I feel, there is "Sum Thing Wong" about your arguments... ;-)

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Je¿ tajwañski

pre 13 godina

"Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia"

Apologies, I should say "Taiwan is one of the most prosperous areas to live in Asia". It's legally part of China and not a country.

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adrian/bucharest

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ
Thank you for that, then why are you trying to be different now?!
In this type of situations mixing black and white results black not grey. We know it very well.

BTW, Ceausescu would have given the finger to China now, as he did with the USSR in 1968 for Prague.

China has made huuuge steps ahead in modernising the country and society, the only thing keeping them behind is some idiotic old ideological issues and the influence of some quiet personal rivalry between its elite. Getting the point and having a softer stance on Xiaobo type situations would only make them stronger, both internally and internationaly.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Enjoy safety of commenting from bella Italia
(Logic, 8 December 2010 03:28)

Ups!

I'm eating Haus Selchwurstel and drinking Hirter Biohanfbier right now, for late breakfast.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ tajwañski, 8 December 2010 16:56)

People in Taiwan do not want to be
anything other than Chinese. What Taiwan wants is for China to be 'democratic' and they to be with China, since Taiwan IS China.
The idea of 'democracy' that would initially make China ''better'' is the democracy made up by the Anglo-American establishment bent on monetary world domination.

Let's get to your questions -

#1: Should be a borderline beyond a State would not invade into the private life of citizens or there shouldn't be?

Please elaborate as to how this occurs in China so I may adequately answer your question. I hope your argument will be more impressive than 'single child policy'.

#2: If it should be - who should drive it?
See above

#3: If there shouldn't be - who should guarantee that the State is benevolent all the times towards own citizens (see Cultural Revolution).

See above. Benevolent state - hilarious. Especially coming form someone sitting in the West. I lol'd.

#4: If there are no guarantees - do the ones who have no guarantees apply the same rules to them self as to the "rest of us"?

Again, relation to China please. Elaborate.
I don't really know what makes me feel safer - a redneck sheriff with a shotgun, or unarmed Chinese police force...I'll think about this one.

#5: Is China THAT weak that a word of dissent can destroy it? If not - what to fear and who has to fear?

Do go back and read what I wrote in my previous comment. China is VERY strong, nationally and internationally, and the hard-line politics have contributed to this, lack of political correctness and a farce of democracy.

''Now about prosperity and quality of life and human rights. I have impression, Taiwanese are pretty much the same people. Except, their establishment increasingly eases the traditional restrictions. Surprisingly, instead of going down - Taiwan is one of the most prosperous countries in Asia.''

Yes, well everyone has some kind of opinion and impression about things they know nothing about. Come and live in China then you may be able to give some kind of impression on what it's like and make a reasonable argument instead of regurgitating what TV told you about Taiwan and China.

People don't give a damn about democracy here, or their 'freedom' to bash the Party. Chairman Mao sacrificed much of ancient Chinese culture and habits to make China into China. Do I agree with it? No, I do not. Has it made China a paradise? No, it has not. It has kept China whole instead of god knows how many pathetic little American satellites as the case was with Yugoslavia.

It is sheer, unfounded arrogance which has been embedded in brains of certain western people that tell everyone that anything not working Anglo-Saxon way must be tyrannical, backward and savage.

Things aren't black and white. There ARE great places on this planet to live east of Berlin, despite what media brainwashes people with.

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ben

pre 13 godina

United Hypocrisy of the West salutes U!
(Alex, 9 December 2010 21:26)

If Assange was a Chinese he would have been dead.

United intellect of West salutes U!

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icj1

pre 13 godina

Oh yes, human rights, like the US State Department ordering its government workers not to read any WikiLeaks. Something that is already of public domain. What next from Big Brother DC, mind control of all Americans?
(winston, 7 December 2010 16:40)

Please clarify… During business hours or not? Because if it’s during business hours, of course it’s the employer who pays you to do what the employer tells you to do.


see that the real future is China, Russia, India, etc., and not the decaying West.
(winston, 7 December 2010 16:40)

It’s strange that millions of people from poor countries spend fortunes and risk their lives (not like you that speak from the confort of your home and don’t have anything at stake) to go to the “decaying West” and not the Chinese and Russian paradises. But what do they know; they must be stupid… you know much better.


We should form our own version. BRIC & the Non-Alligned are 3/4 of the world
(highduke, 7 December 2010 17:28)

To do what ?! Guys come to your senses…. We are no longer in the 70s; Yugoslavia no longer exist; “not aligned” means little these days. Everybody is not aligned; in case you have not heard the news of the last 20 years…


Looks like you finally figured it all out EA. Anything done in politics is done for political reasons.
(trudsaam, 7 December 2010 18:08)

Where did the words “principled position” go ?!... We heard them over, and over, and over in the last few years.


You realise the west represents about 1 billion of the 6 billion people in the world? China alone has more people, however, when we combine all of our allies, China, India, Russia, Brazil and the others, you are right, we have the overwhelming majority on our side.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

And then what ?!!!! There are billions of insects in the world, even more than the Chinese or the entire homo sapiens population; does that mean anything ?

It’s the quality that matters, not the quantity. Would you prefer to be 1 of the 1.3 billion Chinese or 1 of the 500 thousand Luxembourgers ?

As for the majority on your side … Yes, you do have it; there is small problem though, that it is the majority that does not count for the Serbia-Kosovo issue. But I’m sure it’s important for your moral support :)


Once the east becomes the world leader, it will be a very long feast for those who are prepared. There is no chance the west will ever compete again but perhaps it may become a junior partner once it gets its act together.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

You got it; they are going to cooperate just fine as they do know. UK is much smaller than US; nobody has seen a problem out of that; they are good partners.

In 5 to 10 years, this will become much more clear. China will surpass the technological advantage of the west in a few years. That is when everything changes.
(Zoran, 7 December 2010 18:48)

Yeah, let us know when that happens …


Gore should be tried for war crimes nleashing bombs contrary to the mission of the Nobel Peace Price which is not a credible organization, but turning into a political one.
(Jugoslavija, 7 December 2010 20:55)

Please provide proof that a war crime was committed and that was Gore who committed it as defined by the international humanitarian law.


What's best for China is China's internal affair and we have some obligations and respect to that, as everyone should.

Our support is generated on the base of friendship and Chinese support toward us. So simple.
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 10:10)

Best for China’s people or China’s rulers ? Are you friends with China’s people or China’s rulers ?


Apologies, I should say "Taiwan is one of the most prosperous areas to live in Asia". It's legally part of China and not a country.
(Je¿ tajwañski, 8 December 2010 16:59)

People care about the reality not paper (assuming you are right that Taiwan is legally part of China on paper).

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Was Serbia supposed to attend in the first place? I mean, ok the Nobel is important and everything, but do all the countries attend every year? I can understand a country that has a Nobel price winner, some ambassador or representative of some committee goes there. What if nobody wins? Did Serbia attend the last 5 or 10 Nobel prize ceremonies for example? And now it is not attending because of China? This type of journalism (B92 or BBC) of half said things is bad, instead of informing it just raises questions.

KU,
Professional Skeptic,
Sydney
(KU, 7 December 2010 17:49) "

The Guardian wondered about this, too, and says http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/china-nobel-peace-prize-clowns "Geir Lundestad, the committee's executive secretary, said that was "a very curious way of stating things [that 100 countries would not be attending], because only the 65 countries with embassies in Norway were invited." So, since Serbia has an embassy in Oslo, it was presumably invited.

But: "In one case, it is believed that an ambassador decided to attend in person – instead of sending another diplomat as he had planned – after receiving China's warning."

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Pálinkás Ёжи

pre 13 godina

Aung San Suu Kyi's sons accepted for her.

So far, India and Brazil are saying they're going.
(Amer, 7 December 2010 22:10)

I fail to see any major differences between her and Liu Xiaobo, except the gender. She is hailed here, so more consistence would not hurt. Both are fighting the same kind of fight Serbs did fight for centuries.

To tell the truth I see nearly everyone to fall in "Joe's trap" (sorry to pick on Joe, but he is obviously in the trap).

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=71357

In short, Joe - as very loyal to America - did express some pretty extreme views regarding Wikileaks. Step back folks. Loyalty to WHOM? I understand loyalty to America, Serbia, Russia, Albania. But even if you are loyal to a country, think about:

1) Are you loyal to the country or to the political establishment?
2) Is the political establishment loyal to the country?
3) Whom does political establishment represent?

It's easy to fall into that trap... after Sarah Palin I would call it a "pálinka trap", LOL.

---------

At last but not least. If you feel that your favorite country can't survive the slightest critics - than it's a loser, week country not worth even to mention. My gut feeling is, USA, Russia and China will somehow more-less survive some critics even from their own expressed on B92.

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metrod

pre 13 godina

"Must say slighlty cleaner than this boycot of the Nobel price - this one is really disgusting- but I guess you Serbs have quite a strong stomach.
ben"

Strong stomach, indeed! History agrees with you!

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Logic

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ - Thanks! Both recipes reflect real international spirit, accepted with pleasure.
To some dog-hating mafiosi: don't even dream of it! Knowing the geographic origin of ZMAJ's Rundov I can assure you it would be below his dignity to even look at your kind offering. He would be seriously involved with the innards of the Italian fashionable packaging instead. Enjoy safety of commenting from bella Italia

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Mescalero

pre 13 godina

Say thanks.
(ZMAJ, 7 December 2010 21:09)

Sounds good there Zmaj. Whyn't ya send me a bottle there so I kin see for my self how good it is, and that ya ain't falsely promoting your product.

And make sure you include your re turn address soz I kin send ya bottle of mine.

Just to firm up our new found friendship
I'll throw in a bottle of some of mine private rezerve White Lighting.

Also,I am a dog lover too, so send me picture of your dog--I've got pictures of dogs from all over the world hangin on my walls.

Zmaj, I waited for some time to pass so I can evaporate a little in order to thank you proper-like. I have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.

Although I Love Texas as much as Serbia if not more,as Texas is all I pretty much know, I have decided to shed my body in Serbia.

Besides, Texas ain't what it used to be,the Chinese are already starting to squeeze us for their money.

I appreciate you for your time and your recipe. I will announce my arrival on B92,and if it was meant to be,we'll eat your meze and drink my Mescal and sing:

Igrali su delije na sred zemle Serbie...

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

ZMAJ
Thank you for that, then why are you trying to be different now?!
(adrian/bucharest, 8 December 2010 06:44)

I analyzed back much of your comments. If it was not worth., I'd just pass by. Surprised or confused- yes I am reacting black or white sometimes. That's truth. It's still about principles.

What's best for China is China's internal affair and we have some obligations and respect to that, as everyone should.

Our support is generated on the base of friendship and Chinese support toward us. So simple.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I have family that owns vineyards in Eastern Serbia where I might give your recipe a try.
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 07:37)

Good enough, (if) Negotin has much better grapes (unfortunately not vines) than most of Italy. Give me a tip when you're there, you never know..

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I called my father and asked him where were the vineyards located--and he said Black River. I tried Googling Black River+Serbia and all I got is a B92 video with some strange voodoo and besides that Black River is in southern Serbia. Any idea where it's at?
(Mescalero, 8 December 2010 18:10)

This is a Black Timok or Black River., it has even smaller river going in at some point called again the same- Black River. Black Timok confluence in White Timok some 200 meters from the Zajecar city prison. So, your area should be somewhere in this area= 43°54'13.75"N / 22° 2'18.02"E wider area around Zlot. This is very good place. Not superb for grapes but nice area. I'm sure it's there. You better ask your father for the surnames of 4-5 girlfriends he had there., if 3 of those are Vlach surnames- IT'S THERE- "GPS" CONFIRMED!

Otherwise in Serbia you have 150 Black Rivers., any spring 1m wide can be "Black River" to locals..

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Black River Hajduk

pre 13 godina

Otherwise in Serbia you have 150 Black Rivers., any spring 1m wide can be "Black River" to locals..
(ZMAJ, 8 December 2010 19:35)

That's the place. My father tells that on certain windy days one can hear Gypsy music leading Hajduk Veljko to battle, and some times battle cries. The first colt may father gave me was named after his horse--Kushlja(I cant even pronounce it correctly today). It is from father's stories and the music he used to play that fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

That's the place. My father tells that on certain windy days one can hear Gypsy music leading Hajduk Veljko to battle, and some times battle cries. The first colt may father gave me was named after his horse--Kushlja(I cant even pronounce it correctly today). It is from father's stories and the music he used to play that fueled my love for Gypsies and Serbian History.
(Black River Hajduk, 8 December 2010 22:19)

OK, there we are., let's misuse the Nobel subject a little, who cares anyway..

I'm touched a bit, I'd like to bring every single Serb - home.., except myself..

You're definitely in Krivi Vir- Rtanj- Zlot triangle, that's your "home" my friend. "One can hear.."., one can hear everything over there. Those stories contain mysticism and magic as a vehicle to transfer the truth from head to a head.. "Never to be forgotten.",- to be forgotten was the biggest nemesis to our identity and roots. If you ever go there you'll be amazed how many those stories you can hear., and when you hear the same- 50 km away- you'll be amazed how accurate those are. I suggest you to listen your father's stories just to confirm all if you ever go back. Krajina is land of rebels and mystic stories.

LOL., "they" were actually laying on the ground and speaking about mystic "gold stories" (two prisoners given for excavation works at Gamzigrad) some 20-25 years ago when in the middle of the story one was sucked by earth falling in the Roman chamber straight on several clay pots/hoards full of Galerius gold coins shining like on the Pirate movies. The guy couldn't "collect himself" for a few days being in shock and was awarded and released from prison.

You must go there to see Dionysus mosaic- the God of the grape harvest between leopards, holding grapes..

YOU MUST GO THERE!

Tips:

Rtanjski caj= the most "mystical" and amazing herbal infusion of Serbia.

Vlaski dol/Zajecar (few knows) you can see prehistorical fishes., etc on the gorge stones..

Vlaski sir, old hardest goat cheese.

Rtanjski yoghurt, you'll live "forever" if you drink it constantly (like in Homolje- people approx. drink 2/3 Sljivovica and only 1/3 of yoghurt there and die in 80, eliminate alcohol and you'll live 110)

Best regards!

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uli

pre 13 godina

CG- My grandfather Sotir Bano, was a Partizan and fought together with Albanians Communist and Yugoslavs against Hitler. So, get your facts straight. There were albanians that did not sided with Hitler and those Albanians did won the war.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"I fail to see any major differences between Aung San Suu Kyi and Liu Xiaobo, except the gender. She is hailed here, so more consistence would not hurt. Both are fighting the same kind of fight Serbs did fight for centuries.


(Pálinkás Ёжи, 8 December 2010 00:20) "

The point was that in other cases, there have been family members who were allowed to attend the ceremony (Elena Bonner, remember?), or who were already abroad and thus able to attend. In Liu Xiaobo's case, his wife is apparently being held under house arrest, or at least, incommunicado, and other Chinese who might have been able to speak in his place have been unable to leave the country. It's a new level of opposition to the prize, which will probably gain infinitely more prestige from the actions of the Chinese government than simply ignoring the whole affair would have.

What those "consequences" the Chinese are warning of will undoubtedly get discussed in diplomatic cables - now those would be interesting to see.

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Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 )

pre 13 godina

People in Taiwan do not want to be anything other than Chinese.
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 20:11)

BTW - they are split on that, there is some tension between "mainlanders" (moved there after 1949) and "native". I feel, "native" are in the minority.

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The idea of 'democracy' that would initially make China ''better'' is the democracy made up by the Anglo-American establishment bent on monetary world domination.
(Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 8 December 2010 20:11)

I do not define 'democracy'. I intentionally avoided that word. It is over-abused.

My questions are very simple. The problem is, that you expect an argument. A properly asked question IS the argument. And an unanswered question IS an answer, too.

You made some assumptions tough which need to be addressed. Sorry. ;-)

Assumption #1: "Benevolent state - hilarious. Especially coming form someone sitting in the West. I lol'd."

I did LOL-d too, about "sitting in the West". Do you see my IP address? No.

a) Luckily everyone here knows where I am sitting.
b) Luckily everyone here knows, am I "Western" or not.
c) Unfortunately the "Benevolent state" concept is not that hilarious. I was brainwashed from kindergarten with that concept through good half of my life.

OK, the Assumption #2:

"instead of regurgitating what TV told you about Taiwan and China."

I don't claim to be an expert on Taiwan and China. My Chinese is extremely limited and poor, shame on me, limited to few phrases and very minimal is what I can read. It does not mean, all information I have is from TV because I don't watch TV at all.

But I can tell you: I will hold my own against you with two things:

a) how fast drive a car from 中正國際機場 to 花蓮市 without getting lost, without GPS and without traffic tickets.

b) the amount of 芽菜包 I can eat. The most spicy ones, too. My favorite, much better than the Taiwanese or Cantonese versions.

Sorry (done both). And sorry, you hoped to catch a redneck Yank munching a large hamburger in his Alabama trailer home. You got someone else. OK, now let's continue in earnest. Now you know that I know that you know what I know.

And the army of the hedgehogs now has a new member - 刺猬 苏联 They marching on!

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Je¿ diksowy

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redneck Yank munching a large hamburger in his Alabama trailer home.
(Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 ), 9 December 2010 02:41)

1) Hihihihi - no one noticed the tongue-in-cheek? That creature in Alabama is for sure not Yank but Dixie.

2) I won the bet both times!!! Thank you San Francisco, my next vacation is not sure yet where. That means, I have to drink two glasses of горілка today. To tell the truth, I was somewhat desperate yesterday that we won't see the San Francisco fog coming down on B92. But ultimately it happened. Not here, but in an other related thread.

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Mi Ai Zhen, Chengdu, Sichuan, China

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And the army of the hedgehogs now has a new member - 刺猬 苏联 They marching on!
(Je¿ radziecki stanów zjednoczonych ( 刺猬 苏联 )

Did you mean 苏联刺猬 instead of 刺猬苏联??

And do tell me where you ate ya cai bao spicy? As far as I know, ya cai bao isn't spicy at all. It isn't sold anywhere here as spicy, and I live in Sichuan.

Maybe you ate ya cai ''xiao''... Hahaha! Ya cai xiao...I made a funny.


Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍

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Je¿ rosyjski

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Did you mean 苏联刺猬 instead of 刺猬苏联??
Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍
(Mi Ai Z)

Of course, one is the hedgehog, the other is where the hedgehog is from. As said, my Chinese is very poor - but I know, that "苏联" is not some Anglo-Saxon place.

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And do tell me where you ate ya cai bao spicy?

Kind Regards,
Mi Ai Zhen (pinyn)
米 爱 珍
(Mi Ai Z

Probably the best baozi I had was in Xining, early morning, waiting for the train to Golmud. Not very small, pretty spicy - but I like it, full with glass noodles and vegetables and everything you can imagine. Very good. I really hate the way the screw up them in TWN, in Taibei they are greasy, not much phantasy inside - and after steaming baozi they kill it by grilling it. It has to have all the juice inside, what Taiwanese do with it is cruel.

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The adventure with the car was true too, not joking. I arrived at the CKS airport and since I was on the business travel with better money allowance - I just rented a car, that was a Toyota for TWN market. Later on my friend asked me, do I want her to call a taxi for me. I told her, I am driving. She almost passed out, LOL. At the end nothing happened, no ticket and no damage.

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alex

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Bravo Serbia for this decision! We have seen during and after the war in Kosovo what human rights mean to western european countries: nothing else than hypocrisy followed by blackmailing! When once war was the continuation of diplomacy but with other means (Clausewitz) so the human rights are today the justification for war where diplomacy failed!

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Alex

pre 13 godina

By the way: if Julian Assange was a chinese who revealed secrets about the chinese and/or russian diplomacy and army he would have been since a long time a very hot candidate for the nobel prize for peace, invited to dozens of talk-shows on stupid american channels and a hero of the western "free" world. But autsch, he is not chinese...
United Hypocrisy of the West salutes U!

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