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Thursday, 02.12.2010.

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Tirana to donate weapons to Afghanistan

Albania will donate weapons and ammunition to Afghanistan, so as to contribute to the efforts of the international community in the fight against terrorism.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Giorgians, didn't lose the war because they were ill trained or sth, they lost it because it is impossible to deal with Russia whose man power exceedes Giorgian population 20X ....statically speaking , the number of tanks Russia has, exceeds the total numner of soldiers Giorgia has...
(ilir tiranasi, 5 December 2010 15:41)”

The Georgians thought the Yankees and Nato would support them over Abkhazia and Ossetia ..... and they were let down big time instead. And their training in Afghanistan obviously didn’t reap them any benefit ….. well, what do you expect when they probably had to use your E Hoxha era guns for training? Ha Ha Ha!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“No matter how disturbing it might be to serbs that our Army is doing what is best for our National cause ...i must add that we surely don't send 10 year old orphans to learn using guns in siberia...in Russia and many african countries it is quite normal that children learn using guns and get military training btw, but our concern is why the Albanian proffesional forces are fighting in Afganistan...If i were a serb, i would skip the irony about such things, and seriously think, 10 year old children get military training? Isn't that sick ?
(iliri, 5 December 2010 15:35)”

Ya, Sure thing. Albanians fighting professionally in Afghanistan using your E Hoxha era guns! No wonder Nato is planning to quit Afghanistan by 2014 come what may! Ha ha ha!

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ilir tiranasi

pre 13 godina

''Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia! ''

Giorgians, didn't lose the war because they were ill trained or sth, they lost it because it is impossible to deal with Russia whose man power exceedes Giorgian population 20X ....statically speaking , the number of tanks Russia has, exceeds the total numner of soldiers Giorgia has...

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iliri

pre 13 godina

No matter how disturbing it might be to serbs that our Army is doing what is best for our National cause ...i must add that we surely don't send 10 year old orphans to learn using guns in siberia...in Russia and many african countries it is quite normal that children learn using guns and get military training btw, but our concern is why the Albanian proffesional forces are fighting in Afganistan...If i were a serb, i would skip the irony about such things, and seriously think, 10 year old children get military training? Isn't that sick ?

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)
(Amer, 5 December 2010 04:28)”

Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia!

And Afghanistan must surely be a lost cause for Nato as they are already openy talking about a withdrawal by 2014 come what may!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)
(Amer, 5 December 2010 04:28)”

Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys as you claim. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia!

And Afghanistan must surely be a lost cause for Nato as they are already openly talking about a withdrawal by 2014 come what may!

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Ya sure, combat experience to fight the Yankees' battles. And what good is combat experience to soldiers returning in body bags? Or are they expected to "train" under protection from the already overstretched regular Nato troops?
(lowe, 5 December 2010 01:19) "

Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Dear lowe,

But this is one of NATO's selling points! The Georgians are also grateful for the opportunity to provide their troops with combat experience.

Love,
The Yankees
(Amer, 4 December 2010 18:43) "

Ya sure, combat experience to fight the Yankees' battles. And what good is combat experience to soldiers returning in body bags? Or are they expected to "train" under protection from the already overstretched regular Nato troops?

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"What you think, is what you think. Also, what you wish to happen, is merely your wish as well, I don't have the right to tell you what you wish or think. So, i can't you give an answer. "

Correction. You can't give an answer that is sensible in other words.

"As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...
(iliri, 4 December 2010 20:51) "

I am challenging you guys to tell the Yankees and Nato to their faces that you are really not in Afghanistan for them. I see that you dare not respond to my challenge. I rest my case.

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...
(iliri)
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Thats good news. By the way your acting, you belong there.

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Do what you like with your soldiers but I’ll bet the Talaban will still get them in the end if they insist on remaining in Afghanistan as lackeys to the Yankees.''

What you think, is what you think. Also, what you wish to happen, is merely your wish as well, I don't have the right to tell you what you wish or think. So, i can't you give an answer.

As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!''

As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!
(lowe, 4 December 2010 16:25) "

Dear lowe,

But this is one of NATO's selling points! The Georgians are also grateful for the opportunity to provide their troops with combat experience.

Love,
The Yankees

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"dearserbs here,
are you sure that these arms are really getting to afghanistan?...of course many of them will find way to stay were they are needed,in balkans!Don't doubt of that!
(lili, 4 December 2010 08:27) "

I don't think the Serbs, Afghans or anyone else for that matter really cares where your E Hoxha era guns end up in. They are just not worth the transportation costs and you will be better off selling them in an antique store.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“So, you propose soldiers train with pillows so they can be safer?...they are special forces, in the future they might face far more critical situations than in afganistan...i m not a military expert,but... maybe we shouldn t send troops to afganistan at all ... maybe when the enemy attacks we should run for safety. Our troops in Afganistan are not fighting for NATO, first they fight for Albania, and our interest...they fight to be prepared for situations like in 1999...
(iliri, 4 December 2010 03:33)”

Did I say that you should stuff your soldiers with pillows? Do what you like with your soldiers but I’ll bet the Talaban will still get them in the end if they insist on remaining in Afghanistan as lackeys to the Yankees.

As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!

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lili

pre 13 godina

dearserbs here,
are you sure that these arms are really getting to afghanistan?...of course many of them will find way to stay were they are needed,in balkans!Don't doubt of that!

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray.''

I could care less, actually.

'' As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!
(lowe, 3 December 2010 03:50) ''

So, you propose soldiers train with pillows so they can be safer?...they are special forces, in the future they might face far more critical situations than in afganistan...i m not a military expert,but... maybe we shouldn t send troops to afganistan at all ... maybe when the enemy attacks we should run for safety. Our troops in Afganistan are not fighting for NATO, first they fight for Albania, and our interest...they fight to be prepared for situations like in 1999...

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''1. Albania doesnt even have enough weapons for themselves.''

I would not bet money on this...

''As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed.''

Actually the tomahawks were thrown from the Adriatic fleet.. pretty ironic, you are saying that bombing civilian targets is 'coward' act, although that is exactly what 'glorious' serbian army did in Kosovo.

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Albania doesnt even have enough weapons for themselves. The house of cards is finally falling, and the continued exploitation of the Albanians by the western nations will become more embarassing. Shortly.

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Denis

pre 13 godina

Drown, Ratko is right. Albanians terrorist tactics in KiM, the old hit and run away as fast as you can. The KLA was on the US State Dept.'s terrorist list, before the CIA needed them, remember? As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed. The public outcry would have destroyed them. You must agree, Albania is kissing DC's backside big-time, with all their involvement in Afghanistan. Why else would they go their and kill fellow Muslims?
(IUPM, 2 December 2010 17:55)


Cowardly?
So locking civilians up in pizza shops and throwing granades inside to kill them is a standard of bravery? Oh wait maybe digging mass graves is.

Look who is talking about terrorism. K-Alb are terrorists but not Serbs of Krajina, who even bombed Zagreb and killed inocent civilians there. K-Alb are terrorists, but oh no not the Serbs of Bosnia whose deeds shocked every civilized country in the world.

I mean come on, seems like a lot of these Serbs just landed here from Mars and act as if it's not Serbs who commited some of the worst horrible crimes in Europe after WWII from Sarajevo, to Vukovar, to Srebrenica, to Kosovo etc....

At least don't through stones from you glass house. When it comes to terror and mass killing Serbs by far have the top spot.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

But I do not understand how you guys (the Serb ones) do not fear to call Albanians Muslim terrorists, but you forget that most of the Muslim countries support Serbian policy towards Kosovo, by not recognizing Kosovo.
(barba, 3 December 2010 16:05)

Barba, You lost the subject., and forum as it looks..

Who and where was relating Muslim countries to Muslim terrorists here?

You made me read all comments 3 times and it would be nice to give me/us a tip where's that connection.

Are you lost in forums a bit?

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray. As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!
(lowe, 3 December 2010 03:50) "

How does it go, the one about the old woman dreaming?

"But Berisha is an idiot.

He gave weapons and ammo for free to Bosnia as well.

(ben, 3 December 2010 12:14) "

No, Sali is probably one of the best politicians in the Balkans. (Albanians used to run the Ottoman Empire, there must be some political talent in the DNA.) "For free" doesn't mean "no payback" when the Americans want you to do something. And then, look at the progress Albania's made - Serbia isn't laughing at it any more, at least, not on the days those international comparisons are published.

"Amer: it is not that we have many rentable big companies and furthermore strategic and monopolistic so to give it to even our friends.

(ben, 3 December 2010 12:14) "

;)

Albania might as well give away all the AK-47's it has left (the Afghans can use them for training and save the good ones for actual use). The US might be willing to trade them for a couple of these: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/xm25-supergun-that-shoots-round-corners-goes-to-us-troops-in-afghanistan/story-e6frg8yo-1225964999015.

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barba

pre 13 godina

Well, I will say one thing, not related to guns, because I do not care. But I do not understand how you guys (the Serb ones) do not fear to call Albanians Muslim terrorists, but you forget that most of the Muslim countries support Serbian policy towards Kosovo, by not recognizing Kosovo. Have you ever thought that maybe, Serbia, even why it's not Muslim can be terrorist, supported by terroristic countries? Check CIA list for terrorist countries btw :) Would you feel better if we give our garbage to Serbia and not Afghanistan?

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ben

pre 13 godina

but they're not giving us the national oil company. Now, that was true ... friendship?
(Amer, 2 December 2010 20:02)


Amer: it is not that we have many rentable big companies and furthermore strategic and monopolistic so to give it to even our friends.

That would be if we would ask you as friends to give us the Microsoft or GM juts since the friendship is two sided no?? :)

And what should we give to other friends of ours say to Brits: the coast line?? And to French?? :)

Btw almost 50% of the oil fields in Patoz are already given to a Texas/Canadian company which is very rentable project. Plus one of the oil refineries was given to another oil company from Texas. But I guess Albetrol will remain Albanian at least in majority (we need to eat as well you know???)

As for the 30,000 Kalashnikovs and 50 million rounds GRATIS to Afghanistan that is a LOT by ANY CRITERIA.

But Berisha is an idiot.

He gave weapons and ammo for free to Bosnia as well.

Plus there were several thousand of Albanians fighting and hundreds died for Bonsia and now Bosnia is not moving even a finger for Albanians and Kosova.

So why do we have to have such idiot leaders I don't understand.
The only one that paid for the Albanian Kalashnikovs was the UCK : )

But of course now Kosova is not paying not even a cent.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Albania is moving fast forward. According to many NGO reports the quality of life in Albania is one of best in Balkans, way better that of Serbia.Albania is blessed with beautiful coast, rich in minerals and oil and healthy young population.Every summer I travel Albania I see tremendous positive changes. Friendly people, long sunny summers and beautiful beeches has made Albania as one the hottest tourist destination of 2011.Prime Minister Berisha is one the hardest working leaders anywhere.His responsible policies have paid off making Albania an ally the west can count on.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“In 1995 Bosnia, 1975-1980 era guns and weapons used to be quite modern, and i don't think serbia had laser guns back then...yet past is past, our army has been equipped with g-36s, eurocopters are on the way, new warships are being built in Vlora by dutchs, and there are plans of aquiring upgraded f-16s, which will be difficult as we used mig-21s in the past ... but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 23:58)”

Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray. As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

.. but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 23:58)

You'll train in Afghanistan with NATO., and you'll give broken Kalasnikovs to Afghans.., I see they'll make never to be forgotten- bloody knife cave stone tattoo messages to future Taliban, about Albania..

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!
(lowe, 2 December 2010 21:04) ''

In 1995 Bosnia, 1975-1980 era guns and weapons used to be quite modern, and i don't think serbia had laser guns back then...yet past is past, our army has been equipped with g-36s, eurocopters are on the way, new warships are being built in Vlora by dutchs, and there are plans of aquiring upgraded f-16s, which will be difficult as we used mig-21s in the past ... but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!
(lowe, 2 December 2010 21:04)

We're trembling too.

Like the wolves to watch day and night guarded lamb, nice and juicy- we must tremble..

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Serbs better be silent, otherwise we might change our mind and give guns to Bosnian muslims....not that we didn't furnish them with guns back in 1995,(free of charge btw, we even payed for transport) appearently we should have given them more, but i guess we were mostly saving for what was to happen next ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 20:19) "

Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

What's that situation in Afghanistan when Albania is donating weapons?!

So the US/Coalition lost this war TOTALLY!

I'm asking if Afghans will take this as insult.. I know that weapon BTW, we all laughed on these one use Chinese soft steel false Kalasnikov- garbage. I know that "weapon"., this is not for Afghanistan, for no one- actually. This was designed for a girls in bunkers and for Albanian village parades., long- LONG time ago.

It doesn't work after a while and bullets (new or old weapon) go wherever you can imagine but not in desired direction.

Afghani will hate Albania forever because of this..

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iliri

pre 13 godina

Serbs better be silent, otherwise we might change our mind and give guns to Bosnian muslims....not that we didn't furnish them with guns back in 1995,(free of charge btw, we even payed for transport) appearently we should have given them more, but i guess we were mostly saving for what was to happen next ...

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Amer

pre 13 godina

The Albanians may be helpful (and every extra soldier in Afghanistan is helpful - it costs the US $1m a year to keep one of ours there), but they're not giving us the national oil company. Now, that was true ... friendship?

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Iowe: "why NATO is losing the fight in...". It is not a chetnic fight Iowsky so to "win the fight", means to exterminate childrens, women and all civilians...
(Gent, 2 December 2010 16:01) "

So, Gentsky, you think Nato's winning? Here's a sample then! Enjoy! http://www.acus.org/new_atlanticist/nato-losing-afghanistan

As for exterminating "childrens, women and all civilians", I should think Nato was already doing just that through its "collateral damage" over the years!

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tani

pre 13 godina

We're doing this just for Afghanistan, well for our Albanian in the Balcans you can just imagine what we can possibly do. Millions of ak47 are at their disposal and other stuff. But we're a peaceful country and NATION..

Cheers

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Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

COWARDS!
(Ratko

Learn the definition before you use it so sparely. Think of your "heros" who hide behind the nation and open a dictionary, viola.

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IUPM

pre 13 godina

Drown, Ratko is right. Albanians terrorist tactics in KiM, the old hit and run away as fast as you can. The KLA was on the US State Dept.'s terrorist list, before the CIA needed them, remember? As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed. The public outcry would have destroyed them. You must agree, Albania is kissing DC's backside big-time, with all their involvement in Afghanistan. Why else would they go their and kill fellow Muslims?

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winston

pre 13 godina

Wonder if the Albanian NATO contingent will build a litte Yellow House in Kabul? In any case, can the Albanians kiss butt the Americans anymore - they are experts at it.

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UNE

pre 13 godina

I read all the serbian comments and they are all pointing towards ALbania is a drug den and terrorists.. LOL We send the weapons to get rid of them. We do not need them hell we dont even need soldiers we have marines.... You serbs since we joined NATO have been frothing at the mouth for you know that next is Kosovo referendum and unification with Albania. And as such kosovo will be a just a part of Albania anmd its borders will be secured by NATO

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Gent

pre 13 godina

Iowe: "why NATO is losing the fight in...". It is not a chetnic fight Iowsky so to "win the fight", means to exterminate childrens, women and all civilians...

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winston

pre 13 godina

Albania will give the Afghan police around 30,000 pieces of automatic 7.62mm weapons, and 50 million bullets,” the Albanian government announced. - B92
And this is only the government member's personal cache.
There are some funny stories on B92 today.

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winston

pre 13 godina

Similar to the Oil-for-Food Programme in Iraq, the Albanians can have a Guns-for-Poppy Programme with Afghanistan. Each side has a surplus of product to deal with.

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James, UK

pre 13 godina

Wait a minutes... Is there some error of translation (or reporting) going on here? Surely the albanians are sending weapons and ammo to the taliban, their muslim 'brethren'? Nice try B92, but it's not April the first yet!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"The product is called "not to side with damn russians" as serbs and chinese are doing.
(Bardhyl, 2 December 2010 15:28)"

Others would call it "sucking up to the Yankees"! And get ready to send over the body bags too!

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Bardhyl

pre 13 godina

"And I'm sure Afghanistan must have a product that you want..."
The product is called "not to side with damn russians" as serbs and chinese are doing.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Practical solution. Nato wants us to get rid of 100 000 tones of guns as soon as possible ... you know, E.Hoxha legacy.
(iliri, 2 December 2010 13:36)"

Now I know why Nato is losing the fight in Afghanistan and openly talking about quitting by 2014

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UNE

pre 13 godina

I read all the serbian comments and they are all pointing towards ALbania is a drug den and terrorists.. LOL We send the weapons to get rid of them. We do not need them hell we dont even need soldiers we have marines.... You serbs since we joined NATO have been frothing at the mouth for you know that next is Kosovo referendum and unification with Albania. And as such kosovo will be a just a part of Albania anmd its borders will be secured by NATO

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winston

pre 13 godina

Wonder if the Albanian NATO contingent will build a litte Yellow House in Kabul? In any case, can the Albanians kiss butt the Americans anymore - they are experts at it.

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iliri

pre 13 godina

Serbs better be silent, otherwise we might change our mind and give guns to Bosnian muslims....not that we didn't furnish them with guns back in 1995,(free of charge btw, we even payed for transport) appearently we should have given them more, but i guess we were mostly saving for what was to happen next ...

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Bardhyl

pre 13 godina

"And I'm sure Afghanistan must have a product that you want..."
The product is called "not to side with damn russians" as serbs and chinese are doing.

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winston

pre 13 godina

Similar to the Oil-for-Food Programme in Iraq, the Albanians can have a Guns-for-Poppy Programme with Afghanistan. Each side has a surplus of product to deal with.

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Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

COWARDS!
(Ratko

Learn the definition before you use it so sparely. Think of your "heros" who hide behind the nation and open a dictionary, viola.

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tani

pre 13 godina

We're doing this just for Afghanistan, well for our Albanian in the Balcans you can just imagine what we can possibly do. Millions of ak47 are at their disposal and other stuff. But we're a peaceful country and NATION..

Cheers

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Practical solution. Nato wants us to get rid of 100 000 tones of guns as soon as possible ... you know, E.Hoxha legacy.
(iliri, 2 December 2010 13:36)"

Now I know why Nato is losing the fight in Afghanistan and openly talking about quitting by 2014

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Gent

pre 13 godina

Iowe: "why NATO is losing the fight in...". It is not a chetnic fight Iowsky so to "win the fight", means to exterminate childrens, women and all civilians...

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winston

pre 13 godina

Albania will give the Afghan police around 30,000 pieces of automatic 7.62mm weapons, and 50 million bullets,” the Albanian government announced. - B92
And this is only the government member's personal cache.
There are some funny stories on B92 today.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"The product is called "not to side with damn russians" as serbs and chinese are doing.
(Bardhyl, 2 December 2010 15:28)"

Others would call it "sucking up to the Yankees"! And get ready to send over the body bags too!

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James, UK

pre 13 godina

Wait a minutes... Is there some error of translation (or reporting) going on here? Surely the albanians are sending weapons and ammo to the taliban, their muslim 'brethren'? Nice try B92, but it's not April the first yet!

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IUPM

pre 13 godina

Drown, Ratko is right. Albanians terrorist tactics in KiM, the old hit and run away as fast as you can. The KLA was on the US State Dept.'s terrorist list, before the CIA needed them, remember? As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed. The public outcry would have destroyed them. You must agree, Albania is kissing DC's backside big-time, with all their involvement in Afghanistan. Why else would they go their and kill fellow Muslims?

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Albania is moving fast forward. According to many NGO reports the quality of life in Albania is one of best in Balkans, way better that of Serbia.Albania is blessed with beautiful coast, rich in minerals and oil and healthy young population.Every summer I travel Albania I see tremendous positive changes. Friendly people, long sunny summers and beautiful beeches has made Albania as one the hottest tourist destination of 2011.Prime Minister Berisha is one the hardest working leaders anywhere.His responsible policies have paid off making Albania an ally the west can count on.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

The Albanians may be helpful (and every extra soldier in Afghanistan is helpful - it costs the US $1m a year to keep one of ours there), but they're not giving us the national oil company. Now, that was true ... friendship?

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!
(lowe, 2 December 2010 21:04) ''

In 1995 Bosnia, 1975-1980 era guns and weapons used to be quite modern, and i don't think serbia had laser guns back then...yet past is past, our army has been equipped with g-36s, eurocopters are on the way, new warships are being built in Vlora by dutchs, and there are plans of aquiring upgraded f-16s, which will be difficult as we used mig-21s in the past ... but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

What's that situation in Afghanistan when Albania is donating weapons?!

So the US/Coalition lost this war TOTALLY!

I'm asking if Afghans will take this as insult.. I know that weapon BTW, we all laughed on these one use Chinese soft steel false Kalasnikov- garbage. I know that "weapon"., this is not for Afghanistan, for no one- actually. This was designed for a girls in bunkers and for Albanian village parades., long- LONG time ago.

It doesn't work after a while and bullets (new or old weapon) go wherever you can imagine but not in desired direction.

Afghani will hate Albania forever because of this..

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Serbs better be silent, otherwise we might change our mind and give guns to Bosnian muslims....not that we didn't furnish them with guns back in 1995,(free of charge btw, we even payed for transport) appearently we should have given them more, but i guess we were mostly saving for what was to happen next ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 20:19) "

Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!

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Denis

pre 13 godina

Drown, Ratko is right. Albanians terrorist tactics in KiM, the old hit and run away as fast as you can. The KLA was on the US State Dept.'s terrorist list, before the CIA needed them, remember? As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed. The public outcry would have destroyed them. You must agree, Albania is kissing DC's backside big-time, with all their involvement in Afghanistan. Why else would they go their and kill fellow Muslims?
(IUPM, 2 December 2010 17:55)


Cowardly?
So locking civilians up in pizza shops and throwing granades inside to kill them is a standard of bravery? Oh wait maybe digging mass graves is.

Look who is talking about terrorism. K-Alb are terrorists but not Serbs of Krajina, who even bombed Zagreb and killed inocent civilians there. K-Alb are terrorists, but oh no not the Serbs of Bosnia whose deeds shocked every civilized country in the world.

I mean come on, seems like a lot of these Serbs just landed here from Mars and act as if it's not Serbs who commited some of the worst horrible crimes in Europe after WWII from Sarajevo, to Vukovar, to Srebrenica, to Kosovo etc....

At least don't through stones from you glass house. When it comes to terror and mass killing Serbs by far have the top spot.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

But I do not understand how you guys (the Serb ones) do not fear to call Albanians Muslim terrorists, but you forget that most of the Muslim countries support Serbian policy towards Kosovo, by not recognizing Kosovo.
(barba, 3 December 2010 16:05)

Barba, You lost the subject., and forum as it looks..

Who and where was relating Muslim countries to Muslim terrorists here?

You made me read all comments 3 times and it would be nice to give me/us a tip where's that connection.

Are you lost in forums a bit?

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!
(lowe, 2 December 2010 21:04)

We're trembling too.

Like the wolves to watch day and night guarded lamb, nice and juicy- we must tremble..

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Iowe: "why NATO is losing the fight in...". It is not a chetnic fight Iowsky so to "win the fight", means to exterminate childrens, women and all civilians...
(Gent, 2 December 2010 16:01) "

So, Gentsky, you think Nato's winning? Here's a sample then! Enjoy! http://www.acus.org/new_atlanticist/nato-losing-afghanistan

As for exterminating "childrens, women and all civilians", I should think Nato was already doing just that through its "collateral damage" over the years!

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ben

pre 13 godina

but they're not giving us the national oil company. Now, that was true ... friendship?
(Amer, 2 December 2010 20:02)


Amer: it is not that we have many rentable big companies and furthermore strategic and monopolistic so to give it to even our friends.

That would be if we would ask you as friends to give us the Microsoft or GM juts since the friendship is two sided no?? :)

And what should we give to other friends of ours say to Brits: the coast line?? And to French?? :)

Btw almost 50% of the oil fields in Patoz are already given to a Texas/Canadian company which is very rentable project. Plus one of the oil refineries was given to another oil company from Texas. But I guess Albetrol will remain Albanian at least in majority (we need to eat as well you know???)

As for the 30,000 Kalashnikovs and 50 million rounds GRATIS to Afghanistan that is a LOT by ANY CRITERIA.

But Berisha is an idiot.

He gave weapons and ammo for free to Bosnia as well.

Plus there were several thousand of Albanians fighting and hundreds died for Bonsia and now Bosnia is not moving even a finger for Albanians and Kosova.

So why do we have to have such idiot leaders I don't understand.
The only one that paid for the Albanian Kalashnikovs was the UCK : )

But of course now Kosova is not paying not even a cent.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"dearserbs here,
are you sure that these arms are really getting to afghanistan?...of course many of them will find way to stay were they are needed,in balkans!Don't doubt of that!
(lili, 4 December 2010 08:27) "

I don't think the Serbs, Afghans or anyone else for that matter really cares where your E Hoxha era guns end up in. They are just not worth the transportation costs and you will be better off selling them in an antique store.

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barba

pre 13 godina

Well, I will say one thing, not related to guns, because I do not care. But I do not understand how you guys (the Serb ones) do not fear to call Albanians Muslim terrorists, but you forget that most of the Muslim countries support Serbian policy towards Kosovo, by not recognizing Kosovo. Have you ever thought that maybe, Serbia, even why it's not Muslim can be terrorist, supported by terroristic countries? Check CIA list for terrorist countries btw :) Would you feel better if we give our garbage to Serbia and not Afghanistan?

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

.. but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 23:58)

You'll train in Afghanistan with NATO., and you'll give broken Kalasnikovs to Afghans.., I see they'll make never to be forgotten- bloody knife cave stone tattoo messages to future Taliban, about Albania..

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"What you think, is what you think. Also, what you wish to happen, is merely your wish as well, I don't have the right to tell you what you wish or think. So, i can't you give an answer. "

Correction. You can't give an answer that is sensible in other words.

"As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...
(iliri, 4 December 2010 20:51) "

I am challenging you guys to tell the Yankees and Nato to their faces that you are really not in Afghanistan for them. I see that you dare not respond to my challenge. I rest my case.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“In 1995 Bosnia, 1975-1980 era guns and weapons used to be quite modern, and i don't think serbia had laser guns back then...yet past is past, our army has been equipped with g-36s, eurocopters are on the way, new warships are being built in Vlora by dutchs, and there are plans of aquiring upgraded f-16s, which will be difficult as we used mig-21s in the past ... but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 23:58)”

Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray. As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Giorgians, didn't lose the war because they were ill trained or sth, they lost it because it is impossible to deal with Russia whose man power exceedes Giorgian population 20X ....statically speaking , the number of tanks Russia has, exceeds the total numner of soldiers Giorgia has...
(ilir tiranasi, 5 December 2010 15:41)”

The Georgians thought the Yankees and Nato would support them over Abkhazia and Ossetia ..... and they were let down big time instead. And their training in Afghanistan obviously didn’t reap them any benefit ….. well, what do you expect when they probably had to use your E Hoxha era guns for training? Ha Ha Ha!

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray. As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!
(lowe, 3 December 2010 03:50) "

How does it go, the one about the old woman dreaming?

"But Berisha is an idiot.

He gave weapons and ammo for free to Bosnia as well.

(ben, 3 December 2010 12:14) "

No, Sali is probably one of the best politicians in the Balkans. (Albanians used to run the Ottoman Empire, there must be some political talent in the DNA.) "For free" doesn't mean "no payback" when the Americans want you to do something. And then, look at the progress Albania's made - Serbia isn't laughing at it any more, at least, not on the days those international comparisons are published.

"Amer: it is not that we have many rentable big companies and furthermore strategic and monopolistic so to give it to even our friends.

(ben, 3 December 2010 12:14) "

;)

Albania might as well give away all the AK-47's it has left (the Afghans can use them for training and save the good ones for actual use). The US might be willing to trade them for a couple of these: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/xm25-supergun-that-shoots-round-corners-goes-to-us-troops-in-afghanistan/story-e6frg8yo-1225964999015.

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''1. Albania doesnt even have enough weapons for themselves.''

I would not bet money on this...

''As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed.''

Actually the tomahawks were thrown from the Adriatic fleet.. pretty ironic, you are saying that bombing civilian targets is 'coward' act, although that is exactly what 'glorious' serbian army did in Kosovo.

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray.''

I could care less, actually.

'' As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!
(lowe, 3 December 2010 03:50) ''

So, you propose soldiers train with pillows so they can be safer?...they are special forces, in the future they might face far more critical situations than in afganistan...i m not a military expert,but... maybe we shouldn t send troops to afganistan at all ... maybe when the enemy attacks we should run for safety. Our troops in Afganistan are not fighting for NATO, first they fight for Albania, and our interest...they fight to be prepared for situations like in 1999...

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“So, you propose soldiers train with pillows so they can be safer?...they are special forces, in the future they might face far more critical situations than in afganistan...i m not a military expert,but... maybe we shouldn t send troops to afganistan at all ... maybe when the enemy attacks we should run for safety. Our troops in Afganistan are not fighting for NATO, first they fight for Albania, and our interest...they fight to be prepared for situations like in 1999...
(iliri, 4 December 2010 03:33)”

Did I say that you should stuff your soldiers with pillows? Do what you like with your soldiers but I’ll bet the Talaban will still get them in the end if they insist on remaining in Afghanistan as lackeys to the Yankees.

As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Do what you like with your soldiers but I’ll bet the Talaban will still get them in the end if they insist on remaining in Afghanistan as lackeys to the Yankees.''

What you think, is what you think. Also, what you wish to happen, is merely your wish as well, I don't have the right to tell you what you wish or think. So, i can't you give an answer.

As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!''

As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Dear lowe,

But this is one of NATO's selling points! The Georgians are also grateful for the opportunity to provide their troops with combat experience.

Love,
The Yankees
(Amer, 4 December 2010 18:43) "

Ya sure, combat experience to fight the Yankees' battles. And what good is combat experience to soldiers returning in body bags? Or are they expected to "train" under protection from the already overstretched regular Nato troops?

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)
(Amer, 5 December 2010 04:28)”

Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys as you claim. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia!

And Afghanistan must surely be a lost cause for Nato as they are already openly talking about a withdrawal by 2014 come what may!

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Albania doesnt even have enough weapons for themselves. The house of cards is finally falling, and the continued exploitation of the Albanians by the western nations will become more embarassing. Shortly.

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lili

pre 13 godina

dearserbs here,
are you sure that these arms are really getting to afghanistan?...of course many of them will find way to stay were they are needed,in balkans!Don't doubt of that!

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...
(iliri)
-
Thats good news. By the way your acting, you belong there.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)
(Amer, 5 December 2010 04:28)”

Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia!

And Afghanistan must surely be a lost cause for Nato as they are already openy talking about a withdrawal by 2014 come what may!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“No matter how disturbing it might be to serbs that our Army is doing what is best for our National cause ...i must add that we surely don't send 10 year old orphans to learn using guns in siberia...in Russia and many african countries it is quite normal that children learn using guns and get military training btw, but our concern is why the Albanian proffesional forces are fighting in Afganistan...If i were a serb, i would skip the irony about such things, and seriously think, 10 year old children get military training? Isn't that sick ?
(iliri, 5 December 2010 15:35)”

Ya, Sure thing. Albanians fighting professionally in Afghanistan using your E Hoxha era guns! No wonder Nato is planning to quit Afghanistan by 2014 come what may! Ha ha ha!

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!
(lowe, 4 December 2010 16:25) "

Dear lowe,

But this is one of NATO's selling points! The Georgians are also grateful for the opportunity to provide their troops with combat experience.

Love,
The Yankees

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Ya sure, combat experience to fight the Yankees' battles. And what good is combat experience to soldiers returning in body bags? Or are they expected to "train" under protection from the already overstretched regular Nato troops?
(lowe, 5 December 2010 01:19) "

Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)

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iliri

pre 13 godina

No matter how disturbing it might be to serbs that our Army is doing what is best for our National cause ...i must add that we surely don't send 10 year old orphans to learn using guns in siberia...in Russia and many african countries it is quite normal that children learn using guns and get military training btw, but our concern is why the Albanian proffesional forces are fighting in Afganistan...If i were a serb, i would skip the irony about such things, and seriously think, 10 year old children get military training? Isn't that sick ?

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ilir tiranasi

pre 13 godina

''Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia! ''

Giorgians, didn't lose the war because they were ill trained or sth, they lost it because it is impossible to deal with Russia whose man power exceedes Giorgian population 20X ....statically speaking , the number of tanks Russia has, exceeds the total numner of soldiers Giorgia has...

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winston

pre 13 godina

Wonder if the Albanian NATO contingent will build a litte Yellow House in Kabul? In any case, can the Albanians kiss butt the Americans anymore - they are experts at it.

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James, UK

pre 13 godina

Wait a minutes... Is there some error of translation (or reporting) going on here? Surely the albanians are sending weapons and ammo to the taliban, their muslim 'brethren'? Nice try B92, but it's not April the first yet!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"The product is called "not to side with damn russians" as serbs and chinese are doing.
(Bardhyl, 2 December 2010 15:28)"

Others would call it "sucking up to the Yankees"! And get ready to send over the body bags too!

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IUPM

pre 13 godina

Drown, Ratko is right. Albanians terrorist tactics in KiM, the old hit and run away as fast as you can. The KLA was on the US State Dept.'s terrorist list, before the CIA needed them, remember? As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed. The public outcry would have destroyed them. You must agree, Albania is kissing DC's backside big-time, with all their involvement in Afghanistan. Why else would they go their and kill fellow Muslims?

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UNE

pre 13 godina

I read all the serbian comments and they are all pointing towards ALbania is a drug den and terrorists.. LOL We send the weapons to get rid of them. We do not need them hell we dont even need soldiers we have marines.... You serbs since we joined NATO have been frothing at the mouth for you know that next is Kosovo referendum and unification with Albania. And as such kosovo will be a just a part of Albania anmd its borders will be secured by NATO

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Gent

pre 13 godina

Iowe: "why NATO is losing the fight in...". It is not a chetnic fight Iowsky so to "win the fight", means to exterminate childrens, women and all civilians...

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Bardhyl

pre 13 godina

"And I'm sure Afghanistan must have a product that you want..."
The product is called "not to side with damn russians" as serbs and chinese are doing.

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Drownotherday

pre 13 godina

COWARDS!
(Ratko

Learn the definition before you use it so sparely. Think of your "heros" who hide behind the nation and open a dictionary, viola.

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iliri

pre 13 godina

Serbs better be silent, otherwise we might change our mind and give guns to Bosnian muslims....not that we didn't furnish them with guns back in 1995,(free of charge btw, we even payed for transport) appearently we should have given them more, but i guess we were mostly saving for what was to happen next ...

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

What's that situation in Afghanistan when Albania is donating weapons?!

So the US/Coalition lost this war TOTALLY!

I'm asking if Afghans will take this as insult.. I know that weapon BTW, we all laughed on these one use Chinese soft steel false Kalasnikov- garbage. I know that "weapon"., this is not for Afghanistan, for no one- actually. This was designed for a girls in bunkers and for Albanian village parades., long- LONG time ago.

It doesn't work after a while and bullets (new or old weapon) go wherever you can imagine but not in desired direction.

Afghani will hate Albania forever because of this..

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Practical solution. Nato wants us to get rid of 100 000 tones of guns as soon as possible ... you know, E.Hoxha legacy.
(iliri, 2 December 2010 13:36)"

Now I know why Nato is losing the fight in Afghanistan and openly talking about quitting by 2014

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winston

pre 13 godina

Similar to the Oil-for-Food Programme in Iraq, the Albanians can have a Guns-for-Poppy Programme with Afghanistan. Each side has a surplus of product to deal with.

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tani

pre 13 godina

We're doing this just for Afghanistan, well for our Albanian in the Balcans you can just imagine what we can possibly do. Millions of ak47 are at their disposal and other stuff. But we're a peaceful country and NATION..

Cheers

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Iowe: "why NATO is losing the fight in...". It is not a chetnic fight Iowsky so to "win the fight", means to exterminate childrens, women and all civilians...
(Gent, 2 December 2010 16:01) "

So, Gentsky, you think Nato's winning? Here's a sample then! Enjoy! http://www.acus.org/new_atlanticist/nato-losing-afghanistan

As for exterminating "childrens, women and all civilians", I should think Nato was already doing just that through its "collateral damage" over the years!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Serbs better be silent, otherwise we might change our mind and give guns to Bosnian muslims....not that we didn't furnish them with guns back in 1995,(free of charge btw, we even payed for transport) appearently we should have given them more, but i guess we were mostly saving for what was to happen next ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 20:19) "

Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!

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winston

pre 13 godina

Albania will give the Afghan police around 30,000 pieces of automatic 7.62mm weapons, and 50 million bullets,” the Albanian government announced. - B92
And this is only the government member's personal cache.
There are some funny stories on B92 today.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!
(lowe, 2 December 2010 21:04)

We're trembling too.

Like the wolves to watch day and night guarded lamb, nice and juicy- we must tremble..

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Ya, I'm sure Kabul and Sarajevo are so desperate to get your E Hoxha era guns .... even non-Serbs like me are trembling with fear!
(lowe, 2 December 2010 21:04) ''

In 1995 Bosnia, 1975-1980 era guns and weapons used to be quite modern, and i don't think serbia had laser guns back then...yet past is past, our army has been equipped with g-36s, eurocopters are on the way, new warships are being built in Vlora by dutchs, and there are plans of aquiring upgraded f-16s, which will be difficult as we used mig-21s in the past ... but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“In 1995 Bosnia, 1975-1980 era guns and weapons used to be quite modern, and i don't think serbia had laser guns back then...yet past is past, our army has been equipped with g-36s, eurocopters are on the way, new warships are being built in Vlora by dutchs, and there are plans of aquiring upgraded f-16s, which will be difficult as we used mig-21s in the past ... but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 23:58)”

Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray. As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!

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barba

pre 13 godina

Well, I will say one thing, not related to guns, because I do not care. But I do not understand how you guys (the Serb ones) do not fear to call Albanians Muslim terrorists, but you forget that most of the Muslim countries support Serbian policy towards Kosovo, by not recognizing Kosovo. Have you ever thought that maybe, Serbia, even why it's not Muslim can be terrorist, supported by terroristic countries? Check CIA list for terrorist countries btw :) Would you feel better if we give our garbage to Serbia and not Afghanistan?

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

.. but what is most important is training, we don't care wether NATO retreats from Afganistan or not, our boys are there to train, and no training is better than real battle experience ...
(iliri, 2 December 2010 23:58)

You'll train in Afghanistan with NATO., and you'll give broken Kalasnikovs to Afghans.., I see they'll make never to be forgotten- bloody knife cave stone tattoo messages to future Taliban, about Albania..

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Albania doesnt even have enough weapons for themselves. The house of cards is finally falling, and the continued exploitation of the Albanians by the western nations will become more embarassing. Shortly.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Albania is moving fast forward. According to many NGO reports the quality of life in Albania is one of best in Balkans, way better that of Serbia.Albania is blessed with beautiful coast, rich in minerals and oil and healthy young population.Every summer I travel Albania I see tremendous positive changes. Friendly people, long sunny summers and beautiful beeches has made Albania as one the hottest tourist destination of 2011.Prime Minister Berisha is one the hardest working leaders anywhere.His responsible policies have paid off making Albania an ally the west can count on.

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Denis

pre 13 godina

Drown, Ratko is right. Albanians terrorist tactics in KiM, the old hit and run away as fast as you can. The KLA was on the US State Dept.'s terrorist list, before the CIA needed them, remember? As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed. The public outcry would have destroyed them. You must agree, Albania is kissing DC's backside big-time, with all their involvement in Afghanistan. Why else would they go their and kill fellow Muslims?
(IUPM, 2 December 2010 17:55)


Cowardly?
So locking civilians up in pizza shops and throwing granades inside to kill them is a standard of bravery? Oh wait maybe digging mass graves is.

Look who is talking about terrorism. K-Alb are terrorists but not Serbs of Krajina, who even bombed Zagreb and killed inocent civilians there. K-Alb are terrorists, but oh no not the Serbs of Bosnia whose deeds shocked every civilized country in the world.

I mean come on, seems like a lot of these Serbs just landed here from Mars and act as if it's not Serbs who commited some of the worst horrible crimes in Europe after WWII from Sarajevo, to Vukovar, to Srebrenica, to Kosovo etc....

At least don't through stones from you glass house. When it comes to terror and mass killing Serbs by far have the top spot.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

But I do not understand how you guys (the Serb ones) do not fear to call Albanians Muslim terrorists, but you forget that most of the Muslim countries support Serbian policy towards Kosovo, by not recognizing Kosovo.
(barba, 3 December 2010 16:05)

Barba, You lost the subject., and forum as it looks..

Who and where was relating Muslim countries to Muslim terrorists here?

You made me read all comments 3 times and it would be nice to give me/us a tip where's that connection.

Are you lost in forums a bit?

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lili

pre 13 godina

dearserbs here,
are you sure that these arms are really getting to afghanistan?...of course many of them will find way to stay were they are needed,in balkans!Don't doubt of that!

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray.''

I could care less, actually.

'' As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!
(lowe, 3 December 2010 03:50) ''

So, you propose soldiers train with pillows so they can be safer?...they are special forces, in the future they might face far more critical situations than in afganistan...i m not a military expert,but... maybe we shouldn t send troops to afganistan at all ... maybe when the enemy attacks we should run for safety. Our troops in Afganistan are not fighting for NATO, first they fight for Albania, and our interest...they fight to be prepared for situations like in 1999...

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!
(lowe, 4 December 2010 16:25) "

Dear lowe,

But this is one of NATO's selling points! The Georgians are also grateful for the opportunity to provide their troops with combat experience.

Love,
The Yankees

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Ya sure, combat experience to fight the Yankees' battles. And what good is combat experience to soldiers returning in body bags? Or are they expected to "train" under protection from the already overstretched regular Nato troops?
(lowe, 5 December 2010 01:19) "

Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''Do what you like with your soldiers but I’ll bet the Talaban will still get them in the end if they insist on remaining in Afghanistan as lackeys to the Yankees.''

What you think, is what you think. Also, what you wish to happen, is merely your wish as well, I don't have the right to tell you what you wish or think. So, i can't you give an answer.

As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!''

As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...

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iliri

pre 13 godina

No matter how disturbing it might be to serbs that our Army is doing what is best for our National cause ...i must add that we surely don't send 10 year old orphans to learn using guns in siberia...in Russia and many african countries it is quite normal that children learn using guns and get military training btw, but our concern is why the Albanian proffesional forces are fighting in Afganistan...If i were a serb, i would skip the irony about such things, and seriously think, 10 year old children get military training? Isn't that sick ?

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ilir tiranasi

pre 13 godina

''Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia! ''

Giorgians, didn't lose the war because they were ill trained or sth, they lost it because it is impossible to deal with Russia whose man power exceedes Giorgian population 20X ....statically speaking , the number of tanks Russia has, exceeds the total numner of soldiers Giorgia has...

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Amer

pre 13 godina

The Albanians may be helpful (and every extra soldier in Afghanistan is helpful - it costs the US $1m a year to keep one of ours there), but they're not giving us the national oil company. Now, that was true ... friendship?

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ben

pre 13 godina

but they're not giving us the national oil company. Now, that was true ... friendship?
(Amer, 2 December 2010 20:02)


Amer: it is not that we have many rentable big companies and furthermore strategic and monopolistic so to give it to even our friends.

That would be if we would ask you as friends to give us the Microsoft or GM juts since the friendship is two sided no?? :)

And what should we give to other friends of ours say to Brits: the coast line?? And to French?? :)

Btw almost 50% of the oil fields in Patoz are already given to a Texas/Canadian company which is very rentable project. Plus one of the oil refineries was given to another oil company from Texas. But I guess Albetrol will remain Albanian at least in majority (we need to eat as well you know???)

As for the 30,000 Kalashnikovs and 50 million rounds GRATIS to Afghanistan that is a LOT by ANY CRITERIA.

But Berisha is an idiot.

He gave weapons and ammo for free to Bosnia as well.

Plus there were several thousand of Albanians fighting and hundreds died for Bonsia and now Bosnia is not moving even a finger for Albanians and Kosova.

So why do we have to have such idiot leaders I don't understand.
The only one that paid for the Albanian Kalashnikovs was the UCK : )

But of course now Kosova is not paying not even a cent.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Oh, I’m sure it is all a forgone conclusion that Nato will eventually retreat from Afghanistan in defeat and disarray. As for your “boys” training there, methinks there are safer places to train and you’ve only got yourselves to blame if some or many of them should return home in coffins!
(lowe, 3 December 2010 03:50) "

How does it go, the one about the old woman dreaming?

"But Berisha is an idiot.

He gave weapons and ammo for free to Bosnia as well.

(ben, 3 December 2010 12:14) "

No, Sali is probably one of the best politicians in the Balkans. (Albanians used to run the Ottoman Empire, there must be some political talent in the DNA.) "For free" doesn't mean "no payback" when the Americans want you to do something. And then, look at the progress Albania's made - Serbia isn't laughing at it any more, at least, not on the days those international comparisons are published.

"Amer: it is not that we have many rentable big companies and furthermore strategic and monopolistic so to give it to even our friends.

(ben, 3 December 2010 12:14) "

;)

Albania might as well give away all the AK-47's it has left (the Afghans can use them for training and save the good ones for actual use). The US might be willing to trade them for a couple of these: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/xm25-supergun-that-shoots-round-corners-goes-to-us-troops-in-afghanistan/story-e6frg8yo-1225964999015.

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''1. Albania doesnt even have enough weapons for themselves.''

I would not bet money on this...

''As for NATO's cowardly bombing of civilians and civilian targets, from 30,000 ft., was it brave, no, but Clinton and Blair would have soiled their underwear if one NATO troop was killed.''

Actually the tomahawks were thrown from the Adriatic fleet.. pretty ironic, you are saying that bombing civilian targets is 'coward' act, although that is exactly what 'glorious' serbian army did in Kosovo.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“So, you propose soldiers train with pillows so they can be safer?...they are special forces, in the future they might face far more critical situations than in afganistan...i m not a military expert,but... maybe we shouldn t send troops to afganistan at all ... maybe when the enemy attacks we should run for safety. Our troops in Afganistan are not fighting for NATO, first they fight for Albania, and our interest...they fight to be prepared for situations like in 1999...
(iliri, 4 December 2010 03:33)”

Did I say that you should stuff your soldiers with pillows? Do what you like with your soldiers but I’ll bet the Talaban will still get them in the end if they insist on remaining in Afghanistan as lackeys to the Yankees.

As for your boast that your troops are “not fighting for NATO”, well, I dare you to tell the Yankees that to their face!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"dearserbs here,
are you sure that these arms are really getting to afghanistan?...of course many of them will find way to stay were they are needed,in balkans!Don't doubt of that!
(lili, 4 December 2010 08:27) "

I don't think the Serbs, Afghans or anyone else for that matter really cares where your E Hoxha era guns end up in. They are just not worth the transportation costs and you will be better off selling them in an antique store.

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trudsaam

pre 13 godina

As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...
(iliri)
-
Thats good news. By the way your acting, you belong there.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Dear lowe,

But this is one of NATO's selling points! The Georgians are also grateful for the opportunity to provide their troops with combat experience.

Love,
The Yankees
(Amer, 4 December 2010 18:43) "

Ya sure, combat experience to fight the Yankees' battles. And what good is combat experience to soldiers returning in body bags? Or are they expected to "train" under protection from the already overstretched regular Nato troops?

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"What you think, is what you think. Also, what you wish to happen, is merely your wish as well, I don't have the right to tell you what you wish or think. So, i can't you give an answer. "

Correction. You can't give an answer that is sensible in other words.

"As long as NATO and our national interests coincide, we will be in Afganistan taking down the terrorists ...
(iliri, 4 December 2010 20:51) "

I am challenging you guys to tell the Yankees and Nato to their faces that you are really not in Afghanistan for them. I see that you dare not respond to my challenge. I rest my case.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)
(Amer, 5 December 2010 04:28)”

Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys as you claim. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia!

And Afghanistan must surely be a lost cause for Nato as they are already openly talking about a withdrawal by 2014 come what may!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Real armies train hard, even in peacetime, and there are inevitably casualties. In fact, when US troops were stationed in Bosnia, it was a joke that they were safer there than training in America. What the allied armies get is the experience of operating under fire, which if they ever have to fight to defend their own countries will be invaluable. How many comments have we had here about the poor Serbian teenagers doing their year's service who were not even expected to be able to defend themselves? If you're going to ask a soldier to risk his life, you owe it to him to give him the best training possible. Each country in NATO agrees to what its soldiers will be asked to do - if they want them in a support role or in a calm area in Afghanistan, they can specify that. The Germans even have it in their agreement how far away from a hospital their troops will venture out.

The smaller contingents work together with larger ones - the Estonians, as I remember, have operated together with some British outfits. And they're fighting, not training. (Especially the Estonians!)
(Amer, 5 December 2010 04:28)”

Sure, like you wrote in your last article here, you Yankees and Nato provided such training for the Georgians in Afghanistan. But I would doubt whether they are all that grateful to you guys. The quality of the training must surely be suspect – they couldn’t even hold on to Ossetia and Abkhazia!

And Afghanistan must surely be a lost cause for Nato as they are already openy talking about a withdrawal by 2014 come what may!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“No matter how disturbing it might be to serbs that our Army is doing what is best for our National cause ...i must add that we surely don't send 10 year old orphans to learn using guns in siberia...in Russia and many african countries it is quite normal that children learn using guns and get military training btw, but our concern is why the Albanian proffesional forces are fighting in Afganistan...If i were a serb, i would skip the irony about such things, and seriously think, 10 year old children get military training? Isn't that sick ?
(iliri, 5 December 2010 15:35)”

Ya, Sure thing. Albanians fighting professionally in Afghanistan using your E Hoxha era guns! No wonder Nato is planning to quit Afghanistan by 2014 come what may! Ha ha ha!

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lowe

pre 13 godina

“Giorgians, didn't lose the war because they were ill trained or sth, they lost it because it is impossible to deal with Russia whose man power exceedes Giorgian population 20X ....statically speaking , the number of tanks Russia has, exceeds the total numner of soldiers Giorgia has...
(ilir tiranasi, 5 December 2010 15:41)”

The Georgians thought the Yankees and Nato would support them over Abkhazia and Ossetia ..... and they were let down big time instead. And their training in Afghanistan obviously didn’t reap them any benefit ….. well, what do you expect when they probably had to use your E Hoxha era guns for training? Ha Ha Ha!

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