Wife of Ratko Mladić to face court

This really is a cowardly act by this government. It should be fairly clear that these weapons belonged to Ratko and not his wife. She wouldn't have even thought about removing them and why should she?

Do they think that harassing the whole family will bring him out? It just shows how weak and desperate this government is while demonstrating subservience to its masters. What have the family done to deserve this constant harassment?

I agree with Zoran - leave the family alone.

After two years? Serbian justice is really fast these days ;-)

"This really is a cowardly act by this government. It should be fairly clear that these weapons belonged to Ratko and not his wife."
Of course it is clear that she didn't buy them.

"She wouldn't have even thought about removing them and why should she?"(Zoran, 1 December 2010 12:32)
Why should she? Because otherwise she could be charged of illegal possession of weapens, like it happened. How long is Mladic on the run? 20 years? How long hasn't he been seen at home (officially)? And all the time this poor woman didn't dare to open the wardrobe? Well, she better had. And wasn't it even her who wanted her husband to be declared dead? Then she would have been the owner of the weapons.

"This really is a cowardly act by this government. It should be fairly clear that these weapons belonged to Ratko and not his wife. She wouldn't have even thought about removing them and why should she?"

I have to disagree. No one can be that stupid. She knew they were there. This is all about pressure. She knows things and this is just another way of trying to obtain information. If he was 1/2 a man he would surrender now and not put his wife through this. But we all know he is nothing but a coward, holding Serbia hostage for all this time.

I am a supporter of human rights without preferences and I do believe that to some extent she is being victimised.

However, I think it should also be remembered why this is happening. Serbia has been victimised as a result of Mladic. On many occasions Serbia has been weakened during negotiations. Numerous times Serbia has been condemned or considered a place less worthy of investment due to the harbouring of suspected war criminals etc. This has all kinds of knock on effects regarding stability, law and order and economics.

For sure the Serbian government(s) are responsible for this pressure, but so is Mladic. He could have handed himself over or carried out the 'ultimate sacrifice', which probably would be more in keeping with his spirit.

As it is his family will continue to suffer. Now, we can blame the government for this but the government is immovable. That position will not be changed and is the reality. The reality is what we should be concerned with.

In that situation Mladic can just look on by or take action. I know I wouldn't let my family suffer one way or another. And what kind of life is it anyway?

of course she should be charged, she had guns in her wardrobe

patetic and not onorable action to hunt womens , any way in balkan house without guns is house with out cafa , anyway you have to find her finger prints in the guns for conviction

As I can see from the other side, they have no problem harassing and charging a 70 year old woman for leaving her husband's gun in his closet, whether she knew about it or not.

Now who should Mladic surrender to? A NATO court that serves selective justice? You've got to be joking. If you want justice then create a court that serves it. We may then be onto something and start charging those war criminals responsible for mass murder on a huge scale. Mladic is small fish compared to them.

How low can you go? Apparently very low indeed...

Maybe the police should just randomly go into people's apartments and pretend to be surprised that quite a few people have unlicensed guns in the closet.

bganon sits on the fence again. What a surprise.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories but, I've always had a bit of a suspicion that the West (US/EU) does not want Mladic to be found. If he was incarcerated, it would take the ring out of Serbia's nose, that the West uses to persuade Belgrade to board their side. Wouldn't that be something, the CIA hiding Mladic from Belgrade? Maybe Wiki will have some enlightening leaks?

" He could have handed himself over or carried out the 'ultimate sacrifice', which probably would be more in keeping with his spirit. "

-- Mladic is nothing but a coward. His bravery is defined by his victims, defensless women, elders, children. This is also what defines Serbia and its government because they've hidden him for so long from justice. When your army, and state institutions aid a low life like that, then you do not deserve the respect of anyone. If you as a President of Serbia claim that all this crimes where individual then why are you as a state and country and public hiding a war criminal; unless you believe you as a state, country and public committed those crimes.

Say what you want about Haradinaj. If the Serb government had 1% of his courage, Serbia could actually have some right to speak ill of others. Here you have a man who had a whole support system and hide for decades and he chose to face justice while a prime minister. On the other hand you have the prime minister, president, military, secret services of Serbia all doing the impossible to hide a war criminal and escape justice.

Aleks you got me there!

I'm currently being fed a diet of 'I don't want Mladic to be arrested so I'll hide behind the human rights of his wife'.

Tasty meal you are serving me... You wouldn't fancy trying to tackle the main course, rather than desperately focusing on the salad?

"I am a supporter of human rights without preferences and I do believe that to some extent she is being victimised.

However, I think it should also be remembered why this is happening. Serbia has been victimised as a result of Mladic..."

The ends justify the means? Some people are more or less equal than others? Yes but no but yes but no? Flip-flopping at its best.

Democracy light? Are you watching your weight or something?

Nothing to equalise Johny. Haradinaj as you suggested handed himself over voluntarily. Seselj handed himself over voluntarily.

Changing the subject to another issue doesn't change anything.

Nor can the fact that Haradinaj only went there because he was sure he would be found not guilty and believed he would have a glittering political career afterwards.

And if our suspected war criminals believed they had the support of the west I'm sure Mladic would have been in the Hague by now.

Say what you want about Haradinaj...

Say what you want about Seselj, they did the same thing.

Except with Seselj he wasn't thinking 'I am the west's man, they won't send me down'.

On the other hand everyone has their own motives. Some speculate that Seselj either had knowledge of what was going to happen to Djindjic or thought that they would imprison him in Serbia and throw away the key. So he thought he would take his chances.

Alex I didn't sit on the fence, my position is as clear as crystal Mladic should do the right thing and end this. If not for the country then for his family.

And I have deliberately not even opened the subject of justice...

@Johnny
Holbrooke / Karadzic ring a bell? Everyone in this mess had their reasons. Least of which were humanitarian. This isn't Serbian hearsay, this pretty much fact to anyone who looks into the matter further than FOX News (or your equivalent braindead nut-job news agency depending on your country)

Yeah right, poor lady, a whole arsenal of guns under her pillow ... it does not matter if you are a woman or a man, as long as guns are illegaly kept, maybe if mladic cared enough about his wife can go to police and explain them that those are not her guns...

Nor can the fact that Haradinaj only went there because he was sure he would be found not guilty and believed he would have a glittering political career afterwards.

And if our suspected war criminals believed they had the support of the west I'm sure Mladic would have been in the Hague by now.
(bganon, 2 December 2010 21:39)

bganon these are nothing but the same made up hypotheticals from the Serb camp. If this was that and if that was this. If this is less than this and more than that. How about something concrete. Something that proves your point. Show me for once something that is not the usual Serb hearsay.

Again
Fact:
The Serb government, military, secret service and public helped hide war criminals. This did not happen with Albanians. For this reason Serbia can never speak ill or complain to others. For this reason it deserves every punishment that it got; it deserves every shame in its name and on its people.

"Say what you want about Seselj, they did the same thing."

-- You try to hard to equalize things bganon. That is the flaw of the stereotypical Serb. Things can never be equal because the Serb army, secret services, government, and public aided in the hiding of war criminals from justice. Such a thing didn't occur with Albanians.

of course she should be charged, she had guns in her wardrobe

"This really is a cowardly act by this government. It should be fairly clear that these weapons belonged to Ratko and not his wife. She wouldn't have even thought about removing them and why should she?"

I have to disagree. No one can be that stupid. She knew they were there. This is all about pressure. She knows things and this is just another way of trying to obtain information. If he was 1/2 a man he would surrender now and not put his wife through this. But we all know he is nothing but a coward, holding Serbia hostage for all this time.

I am a supporter of human rights without preferences and I do believe that to some extent she is being victimised.

However, I think it should also be remembered why this is happening. Serbia has been victimised as a result of Mladic. On many occasions Serbia has been weakened during negotiations. Numerous times Serbia has been condemned or considered a place less worthy of investment due to the harbouring of suspected war criminals etc. This has all kinds of knock on effects regarding stability, law and order and economics.

For sure the Serbian government(s) are responsible for this pressure, but so is Mladic. He could have handed himself over or carried out the 'ultimate sacrifice', which probably would be more in keeping with his spirit.

As it is his family will continue to suffer. Now, we can blame the government for this but the government is immovable. That position will not be changed and is the reality. The reality is what we should be concerned with.

In that situation Mladic can just look on by or take action. I know I wouldn't let my family suffer one way or another. And what kind of life is it anyway?

I agree with Zoran - leave the family alone.

"This really is a cowardly act by this government. It should be fairly clear that these weapons belonged to Ratko and not his wife."
Of course it is clear that she didn't buy them.

"She wouldn't have even thought about removing them and why should she?"(Zoran, 1 December 2010 12:32)
Why should she? Because otherwise she could be charged of illegal possession of weapens, like it happened. How long is Mladic on the run? 20 years? How long hasn't he been seen at home (officially)? And all the time this poor woman didn't dare to open the wardrobe? Well, she better had. And wasn't it even her who wanted her husband to be declared dead? Then she would have been the owner of the weapons.

" He could have handed himself over or carried out the 'ultimate sacrifice', which probably would be more in keeping with his spirit. "

-- Mladic is nothing but a coward. His bravery is defined by his victims, defensless women, elders, children. This is also what defines Serbia and its government because they've hidden him for so long from justice. When your army, and state institutions aid a low life like that, then you do not deserve the respect of anyone. If you as a President of Serbia claim that all this crimes where individual then why are you as a state and country and public hiding a war criminal; unless you believe you as a state, country and public committed those crimes.

Say what you want about Haradinaj. If the Serb government had 1% of his courage, Serbia could actually have some right to speak ill of others. Here you have a man who had a whole support system and hide for decades and he chose to face justice while a prime minister. On the other hand you have the prime minister, president, military, secret services of Serbia all doing the impossible to hide a war criminal and escape justice.

This really is a cowardly act by this government. It should be fairly clear that these weapons belonged to Ratko and not his wife. She wouldn't have even thought about removing them and why should she?

Do they think that harassing the whole family will bring him out? It just shows how weak and desperate this government is while demonstrating subservience to its masters. What have the family done to deserve this constant harassment?

As I can see from the other side, they have no problem harassing and charging a 70 year old woman for leaving her husband's gun in his closet, whether she knew about it or not.

Now who should Mladic surrender to? A NATO court that serves selective justice? You've got to be joking. If you want justice then create a court that serves it. We may then be onto something and start charging those war criminals responsible for mass murder on a huge scale. Mladic is small fish compared to them.

How low can you go? Apparently very low indeed...

Maybe the police should just randomly go into people's apartments and pretend to be surprised that quite a few people have unlicensed guns in the closet.

bganon sits on the fence again. What a surprise.

"Say what you want about Seselj, they did the same thing."

-- You try to hard to equalize things bganon. That is the flaw of the stereotypical Serb. Things can never be equal because the Serb army, secret services, government, and public aided in the hiding of war criminals from justice. Such a thing didn't occur with Albanians.

patetic and not onorable action to hunt womens , any way in balkan house without guns is house with out cafa , anyway you have to find her finger prints in the guns for conviction

I'm not much for conspiracy theories but, I've always had a bit of a suspicion that the West (US/EU) does not want Mladic to be found. If he was incarcerated, it would take the ring out of Serbia's nose, that the West uses to persuade Belgrade to board their side. Wouldn't that be something, the CIA hiding Mladic from Belgrade? Maybe Wiki will have some enlightening leaks?

After two years? Serbian justice is really fast these days ;-)

Say what you want about Haradinaj...

Say what you want about Seselj, they did the same thing.

Except with Seselj he wasn't thinking 'I am the west's man, they won't send me down'.

On the other hand everyone has their own motives. Some speculate that Seselj either had knowledge of what was going to happen to Djindjic or thought that they would imprison him in Serbia and throw away the key. So he thought he would take his chances.

Alex I didn't sit on the fence, my position is as clear as crystal Mladic should do the right thing and end this. If not for the country then for his family.

And I have deliberately not even opened the subject of justice...

Nor can the fact that Haradinaj only went there because he was sure he would be found not guilty and believed he would have a glittering political career afterwards.

And if our suspected war criminals believed they had the support of the west I'm sure Mladic would have been in the Hague by now.
(bganon, 2 December 2010 21:39)

bganon these are nothing but the same made up hypotheticals from the Serb camp. If this was that and if that was this. If this is less than this and more than that. How about something concrete. Something that proves your point. Show me for once something that is not the usual Serb hearsay.

Again
Fact:
The Serb government, military, secret service and public helped hide war criminals. This did not happen with Albanians. For this reason Serbia can never speak ill or complain to others. For this reason it deserves every punishment that it got; it deserves every shame in its name and on its people.

Yeah right, poor lady, a whole arsenal of guns under her pillow ... it does not matter if you are a woman or a man, as long as guns are illegaly kept, maybe if mladic cared enough about his wife can go to police and explain them that those are not her guns...

"I am a supporter of human rights without preferences and I do believe that to some extent she is being victimised.

However, I think it should also be remembered why this is happening. Serbia has been victimised as a result of Mladic..."

The ends justify the means? Some people are more or less equal than others? Yes but no but yes but no? Flip-flopping at its best.

Democracy light? Are you watching your weight or something?

Aleks you got me there!

I'm currently being fed a diet of 'I don't want Mladic to be arrested so I'll hide behind the human rights of his wife'.

Tasty meal you are serving me... You wouldn't fancy trying to tackle the main course, rather than desperately focusing on the salad?

Nothing to equalise Johny. Haradinaj as you suggested handed himself over voluntarily. Seselj handed himself over voluntarily.

Changing the subject to another issue doesn't change anything.

Nor can the fact that Haradinaj only went there because he was sure he would be found not guilty and believed he would have a glittering political career afterwards.

And if our suspected war criminals believed they had the support of the west I'm sure Mladic would have been in the Hague by now.

@Johnny
Holbrooke / Karadzic ring a bell? Everyone in this mess had their reasons. Least of which were humanitarian. This isn't Serbian hearsay, this pretty much fact to anyone who looks into the matter further than FOX News (or your equivalent braindead nut-job news agency depending on your country)