Bulgaria unhappy with Serbian response

It seems like the ATAKA louts were there only to stir up tensions and cause trouble between Bulgarians and Serbs. Belgrade acted in the correct procedure.

With the ongoing issue of Kosovo, tensions in the Sandjak, Hungarians clamouring for greater devolving of powers in Vojvodina and an economy taking a battering, the last thing Belgrade needs is a bunch of Bulgarian far right wingnuts going on the rampage in the south east.

it is amusing to see the dwarfs trying to punch or strike the fallen giant.
However the Giant is not dead (nor deaf or blind).
Half of Bulgaeia practically speak a Serbian dialect, yet i didnt see any Serbian nationalist claiming that.

As far as the so called bulgarians of Bosilegrad, in the last elections they voted for Seselj and the socialist party of Slobo!

go figure!

We just want what's ours.. We don't want to incorporate Serbs into some giant state, I'm
sure the same applies for the Albanians of Kosovo.. 100+ years the Serbs were busy trying to take over zero populated Serb lands eg Albania and macedonia as well as lands where Serbs were minorities.. Eg Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia etc etc it makes me sick to think of how the Serbs and Greeks together for greed.. But logically we se nature taking course, Serbia crumbling to it's natural self.. They even lost their so called soul Kosovo.. What o. Earth were the Serbs doing in Macedonia? Today 14 000 people clasify themselves as Serbs in rom, and most of them were left over from commi yugo..

As a half Bulgarian, whose father is from Bosilegrad, I can just send a message to those Bulgarians, that we will stay citizens of Serbia, and there is no need to come to Serbia with those goals. Unless they want to get beaten.

Serbia belongs to all who love her.

"The real owners will always claim their land. No matter how many years that will take." (ben)

-- Yes. Usually on internet chat sites from countries far far away.

Serbia did the right thing. The thugs were coming to cause trouble. I believe Bulgaria doesn't even allow an ethnic designation on its census. For sure the ethnic Serb population there has been greater than is officially stated.

Yugoslavia, Montenegro and Kosovo have already been either destroyed or taken.

Sanđak, Vojvodina, Preševo; now Bosilegrad and possibly the area around it are under pressure.

When will the Serbian Government finally understand that, under the present circumstances, no amount of appeasement, perhaps even recognition of Kosovo ‘independence' itself, is going to change what is possibly a long term agenda to reduce Serbia to its pre-1878 level, comprising of Belgrade and Šumadija?

Simply amazing. While world is united in fighting the common threats from a global economic crises, sky rocketing unemployment, terrorism, nuclear proliferation, drug wars, hunger, climate change, and on and on, some nationalists want to argue about some border change that happened 100 years ago, way before they were even born. What the hell is wrong with people?

This is nothing but a show of provocative chauvanism and far right extremism that really makes all Serbs and non Serbs cringe with disbelief at the overt show of stupidity and ignorance .
To all the "Greater Serbia" adherents on this site , now you have a chance to look at yourselves in the mirror. Not a very pretty picture is it?

first off there is only 15,000 bulgarians in serbia so they could leave if they dont like it because everyone is treated fairly in serbia and its only these bulgarian nationalists anyway which are a very small group and next to the albanians on here vojvodina is over 75% Serb population and the hungarians are not saying much as you say and the minorities are aging and dying out and moving so they figure its 80%+ Serbs and for sandzak its 50-50 for Serbs and muslim serbs and preshovo albanians are not majority anymore even they are moving out and for kosovo tito let in the albanians in they were never in kosovo only in very small numbers sothis is just talking for these albanians who live in the past just like the bulgarians and another thing bulgaria has 750,000 turks living there which is 10% of the country maybe the turks should solit rom them also because thats a very high number and albania is 35% none albanians heres both links so soon albania will have its own problems


http://www.faqs.org/minorities/Eastern-Europe/Turks-of-Bulgaria.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Bulgaria


http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html

first off there is only 15,000 bulgarians in serbia so they could leave if they dont like it because everyone is treated fairly in serbia and its only these bulgarian nationalists anyway which are a very small group and next to the albanians on here vojvodina is over 75% Serb population and the hungarians are not saying much as you say and the minorities are aging and dying out and moving so they figure its 80%+ Serbs and for sandzak its 50-50 for Serbs and muslim serbs and preshovo albanians are not majority anymore even they are moving out and for kosovo tito let in the albanians in they were never in kosovo only in very small numbers so this is just talking for these albanians who live in the past just like the bulgarians and another thing bulgaria has 750,000 turks living there which is 10% of the country maybe the turks should split from them also because thats a very high number and albania is 35% none albanians heres both links so soon albania will have its own problems


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(tom, 30 November 2010 15:07)

i agree with everything you say there except in Bulgaria there is 900,000+ turks and yes the turks will be asking for much more rights and full autonomy in that part of the country if not then the turks will ask for independence and have a vote and the backing of turkey. thats only fair since bulgarians in serbia are such a small number and they are rattling their little sword of blank where as for turks in bulgaria there is 10% Turk population if not more.

They were headed for the eastern Serbian town of Bosilegrad, which they believe should be "given back to Bulgaria".
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They came to cause trouble so the government was right not to allow them entry.

It won't be too long before the citizens of Serbia, Montenegro, BiH and FYROM realise the divisions caused by the West have mude us weak when divided and the natural path will be to form another union. Croatia and Slovenia belong with the West but the rest of us have stronger support coming from the East.

Based on recent surveys, the strongest support for such a union comes from FYROM and BiH. Serbia and Montenegro are natural partners so it won't be difficult to get us back, once Milo and other Western bootlickers are shown the exit.

Well as you Serbs say: oteto - prokleto.

The real owners will always claim their land. No matter how many years that will take.

RE: "Bulgarian territories"

During the Balkan wars, Bulgaria was soundly trounced by Serbia fairly or unfairly, the region of Macedonia was split between Greece and Serbia in a seperate pact.

Bulgaria stabbed Serbia in the back in WWI when she invaded along with the Germans and Austro Hungarians forcing the entire country to retreat through the Albanian mountains. The Bulgarians were responsible for many attrocities during that period.

Not to be undone, Bulgaria again joined Nazi Germany to invade Serbia, again to be defeated.

Recently, the Bulgarian government recognized the illegal state of Kosovo against the will of its people.

Send the right wing Bulgarian extremists to their cousins in FYROM.

@levski
Serbs where majority back 100 years ago,
in the territories Serbia got in 1913, you could classify Serbs in 3 groups:
1.Orthodox Christians
2.Muslims
3.Albanian speaking
But all the 3 called themselves Serbs!
Tito ans CO abused that so that only orthodox Christians remained Serbs.
Macedonians where not recognized so they where counted as Serbs, and there where around 300000 Albanians which halF of them lived in Macedonia and only 150000 Albanians in Kosovo and around 300000 Serbs lived in Kosovo.

About Bosilgrad and Dimitrovgrad, these two cities with Strumica in Macedonia, and the WHOLE OF WESTERN THARCE (WHY DO I NOT HEAR BULGARIANS CLAIMING WESTERN THRACE ARE THEY AFRAID OF THE GREEKS OR SOMETHING??????) anyway these territories where awarded to the state of Serbs,Croats and Slovens and Greece by the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine because of the role Bulgaria played as 1 of the central powers in WO1.
In Vojvodina Serbs where the Biggest ethnic group around 35% Germans and Hungarians were around 25/30%.
Then in 1918,
THE TERRITORIES/STATES: OF MONTENEGRO/SREM/BOSNIA AND HERCEGOVINA/DALMATIA CHOOSE TO JOIN SERBIA THEMSELVES, LATER THAT YEAR CROATIA-SLAVONIA AND SLOVENIA JOINED SERBIA AND TOGETHER FORMED IN 1919 THE STATE OF SERBS,CROATS AND SLOVENS.

Bulgaria wanted to send violent nazis with separatist ambitions to Serbia and now they have the shame to complain to the EU.

Some nationalist Bugers got their day trip spoiled, who cares? You would think that people would have better things to do, in this time and age, than to go back into history when their grand daddies were young, and BS about some border they lost, because they lost a war. How far are we supposed to go back now with these border disputes in the Balkans. They changed on a yearly basis throughout history, depending on what side won what battle. Find better hobbies folks, because calling a piece of land Serbian, or Bulgarian, or Macedonian, or Greek, or whatever, will not improve your lives - in fact, it may worsen it.

Is this a case of a EU country trying to steal neighbour's land? Pathetic

Bulgaria unhappy with Serbian response B92

Who cares..

It's all part of the same Western interference project that goes back to the destruction of SFRJ in the 90s continued with Zukorlic's provocations, the Gay parade and pro-UDI diplomacy

Those areas are majority Bulgarian. The territory belongs to the Bulgarian state, it was forcibly stolen by ww1 victors. Romania stole in the past Southern Dobrudja, which is majority Bulgarian, today it's in Bulgaria again. It's bad enough that Serbs kept stealing Macedonia, n yes every language expert in the world say Macedonian + Bulgarian language = same group. Celebrate same heroes, culture, church etc.
Bulgaria protests each year because we will NEVER tolerate Serbian theft of our country, all Bulgarian lands must be returned to Bulgaria.

To all the "Greater Serbia" adherents on this site , now you have a chance to look at yourselves in the mirror. Not a very pretty picture is it?
(truthiness, 30 November 2010 22:21)

We're not Cindarella, I must confess that.

I'd suggest you, as a light stage of the therapy, to leave the mirror for a while.

the only common borders and dispute between serbia and bulgaria is on the south south south...macedonia,and macedonia is sending help to kraljevo interest...soon will we hear news from there

lol, this says more about Bulgarians than Serbs.

the most important is the timing,when artifices explods they send the right message on the right moment on the right direction, two cousins(slavs) are fighting for relative problems and guess who is the winner the lovely neighbor...naravno

@Jugoslavia, Austria, well isn’t that the country that invaded Bosnia and cowardly Serbia was told to backstab Bulgaria instead? When Bulgaria was on Ottoman border, Serbia who Bulgaria thought were brothers, invades Bulgaria! Serbo-Bulgarian war 1885, which Serbia ends up loosing before the righteous Bulgar retaliation, Bulgaria pushes the Serb invader out and follows them into Serbia. Then *surprise, surprise* Austria comes to Serbia’s rescue threatening to join war on Serbia’s side. You just ‘happened’ to forget all this?

(Yane, 1 December 2010 23:48)

The Bulgarians chose to wait for two years after Serbia defeated Austro-Hungary repeatedly during WWI through insurmountable odds. After the Serbs were ravaged from Typhus, half the army perished, General Mackenson Of Germany decided to attack together with Austro-Hungary and from the backside the Bulgarians.

To put the conflict in context between Bulgarian and Serbia in 1885, King Milan of Serbia was very close with the Austrian empire with heavy agricultural trade, ore so than with Bulgaria. Needless to say , Serbia has a long history with Austria and King Ferdinand of Ausria which allowed Serbs to have special status to defend Austria from the Turks in the Krajina frontier in the 16th century.

The battle of Silvnitsa in 1885 only lasted two weeks and King Milan underestimated the enemy. (0nly 70,000 troops were mobilized) A ceasefire was arranged by Austria between Serbia and Bulgaria. This was a mere skirmish compared to the Balkans Wars, WWI and WII.

Unfortunately, the politics of King William I of Germany and the new Archduke Ferdinand of Austro-Hungary changed that status as it is no secret that Archduke Ferdinand was afraid of the Pan Slavic movment and decided to Annex Bosnia Herzegovina for this fact. This later led to his assasination at the hand of Apis and some levels of the military establishment in Serbia.

During WWI, Serbia lost 16% percent of it's country to death during the war, close to 1million people, the highest of any country.

Freedom or death is what the miliary officers shouted as they drove through the Bulgarian lines in 1918 to free Serbia with only 75,000 troops at the disposal of King Alexander who was stationed in the Salonika western front.

The Bulgarians were decimated and quickly retreated when the Balkan front collapsed roken as the enraged Serbs raced to free the country.

@Jugoslavia, Austria, well isn’t that the country that invaded Bosnia and cowardly Serbia was told to backstab Bulgaria instead? When Bulgaria was on Ottoman border, Serbia who Bulgaria thought were brothers, invades Bulgaria! Serbo-Bulgarian war 1885, which Serbia ends up loosing before the righteous Bulgar retaliation, Bulgaria pushes the Serb invader out and follows them into Serbia. Then *surprise, surprise* Austria comes to Serbia’s rescue threatening to join war on Serbia’s side. You just ‘happened’ to forget all this?

First Balkan war, Bulgaria reluctantly joins the Balkan League. This proves to be right, as Serbia makes a seperate alliance with Greece to divide Ottoman spoils between them, cuting out Bulgaria.
Bulgaria’s forces were more numerous than Greece + Serbia combined, thus we did most of the fighting, winning (wiped out more than half of Ottoman divisions on our own), and had highest casualties.
Bulgaria put in the highest effort by all, yet was unfairly treated by it’s “allies”. Bulgaria tries to counter by coming to agreement with Serbia and sign treaty how to divide Macedonia so not to create more tension. Serbia agrees, signs, n the very next day crosses agreed upon border into the Bulgarian side, demanding more land!
Bulgaria just had enough of Serb insolence n goes to war, ends up with 4 vs 1. Serbia, Romania, Ottoman Empire, Greece vs Bulgaria.
Serbia gets Macedonia, is supported by FRANCE AND ENGLAND.

Thus this leads directly to Germany stepping in as COUNTER-WEIGHT, WW1 happens just a few years after 2nd Balkan war. Result of ww1, Serbia keeps Macedonia.

"Ataka" is a neofascist party, very marginal in Bulgaria. It is the most anti-Western party in Bulgaria, the only one to stage protests against the vizit of Condoleezza Rice few years ago, against NATO etc. Those thugs clearly wanted a provokation, aimed... against the por-Western dirve of president Tadic.Unfortunately Serbia fell into the trap banning the visit. Most Bulgarians do NOT have any territorial claim, PROVIDED Serbia allows them an easy access to their compatriots in the Western Borderlands. Bulgaria was among the first to ratify the SAA with Serbia despite of the protests from "Ataka". Now thos tuggs have a good excuse to spread anti-Serbian propagganda in Bulgaria.

Bulgaria joined the Central Powers in 1915 after one year of tough negotiation with the Entrant. They wanted nothing more than he implementation of the Treaty between Serbia and Bulgaria of 1912, which set up the Balkan League and drove the Ottomans from the hart of the Balkans. The refusal of Serbia to honor that treaty in 1913 led to the Second Balkan war. It provided that some areas in Macedonia were “Undisputedly” a Bulgarian zone an there was a “Contested” zone whose fate was to be decided by the Russian car. While Bulgarians were crushing the main Ottoman armies in front of Constantinople the Serbs occupied both the Contested and the uncontested zones. One of the reasons for the Serbian refusal to honor the treaty in 1913 was the unexpected creation of Albania. In 1915 while Serbs were fighting heavy battles against the Austrians, Bulgaria wanted to reach an amicable agreement. Terms were simple. The “Undisputed” zone to be transferred right away to Bulgaria, while the fate of the “Contested” zone to be decided after the war. The British are despaired to get Bulgaria on their side. They have landed in Gallipoli and things were going badly. A Bulgarian attack against the Turks would save the Gallipoli operation. They exert a lot of pressure on the Serbs. With no avail. The most Serbs agree to transfer the Contested zone (in which they keep army to rebellions!)… after the war. After the experience of 1913 the Bulgarians did not trust the Serbs and joined the other side. Both countries paid a terrible price for failing to cooperate.

We just want what's ours.. We don't want to incorporate Serbs into some giant state, I'm
sure the same applies for the Albanians of Kosovo.. 100+ years the Serbs were busy trying to take over zero populated Serb lands eg Albania and macedonia as well as lands where Serbs were minorities.. Eg Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia etc etc it makes me sick to think of how the Serbs and Greeks together for greed.. But logically we se nature taking course, Serbia crumbling to it's natural self.. They even lost their so called soul Kosovo.. What o. Earth were the Serbs doing in Macedonia? Today 14 000 people clasify themselves as Serbs in rom, and most of them were left over from commi yugo..

Well as you Serbs say: oteto - prokleto.

The real owners will always claim their land. No matter how many years that will take.

it is amusing to see the dwarfs trying to punch or strike the fallen giant.
However the Giant is not dead (nor deaf or blind).
Half of Bulgaeia practically speak a Serbian dialect, yet i didnt see any Serbian nationalist claiming that.

As far as the so called bulgarians of Bosilegrad, in the last elections they voted for Seselj and the socialist party of Slobo!

go figure!

@levski
Serbs where majority back 100 years ago,
in the territories Serbia got in 1913, you could classify Serbs in 3 groups:
1.Orthodox Christians
2.Muslims
3.Albanian speaking
But all the 3 called themselves Serbs!
Tito ans CO abused that so that only orthodox Christians remained Serbs.
Macedonians where not recognized so they where counted as Serbs, and there where around 300000 Albanians which halF of them lived in Macedonia and only 150000 Albanians in Kosovo and around 300000 Serbs lived in Kosovo.

About Bosilgrad and Dimitrovgrad, these two cities with Strumica in Macedonia, and the WHOLE OF WESTERN THARCE (WHY DO I NOT HEAR BULGARIANS CLAIMING WESTERN THRACE ARE THEY AFRAID OF THE GREEKS OR SOMETHING??????) anyway these territories where awarded to the state of Serbs,Croats and Slovens and Greece by the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine because of the role Bulgaria played as 1 of the central powers in WO1.
In Vojvodina Serbs where the Biggest ethnic group around 35% Germans and Hungarians were around 25/30%.
Then in 1918,
THE TERRITORIES/STATES: OF MONTENEGRO/SREM/BOSNIA AND HERCEGOVINA/DALMATIA CHOOSE TO JOIN SERBIA THEMSELVES, LATER THAT YEAR CROATIA-SLAVONIA AND SLOVENIA JOINED SERBIA AND TOGETHER FORMED IN 1919 THE STATE OF SERBS,CROATS AND SLOVENS.

As a half Bulgarian, whose father is from Bosilegrad, I can just send a message to those Bulgarians, that we will stay citizens of Serbia, and there is no need to come to Serbia with those goals. Unless they want to get beaten.

Serbia belongs to all who love her.

Those areas are majority Bulgarian. The territory belongs to the Bulgarian state, it was forcibly stolen by ww1 victors. Romania stole in the past Southern Dobrudja, which is majority Bulgarian, today it's in Bulgaria again. It's bad enough that Serbs kept stealing Macedonia, n yes every language expert in the world say Macedonian + Bulgarian language = same group. Celebrate same heroes, culture, church etc.
Bulgaria protests each year because we will NEVER tolerate Serbian theft of our country, all Bulgarian lands must be returned to Bulgaria.

first off there is only 15,000 bulgarians in serbia so they could leave if they dont like it because everyone is treated fairly in serbia and its only these bulgarian nationalists anyway which are a very small group and next to the albanians on here vojvodina is over 75% Serb population and the hungarians are not saying much as you say and the minorities are aging and dying out and moving so they figure its 80%+ Serbs and for sandzak its 50-50 for Serbs and muslim serbs and preshovo albanians are not majority anymore even they are moving out and for kosovo tito let in the albanians in they were never in kosovo only in very small numbers sothis is just talking for these albanians who live in the past just like the bulgarians and another thing bulgaria has 750,000 turks living there which is 10% of the country maybe the turks should solit rom them also because thats a very high number and albania is 35% none albanians heres both links so soon albania will have its own problems


http://www.faqs.org/minorities/Eastern-Europe/Turks-of-Bulgaria.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Bulgaria


http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html

Serbia did the right thing. The thugs were coming to cause trouble. I believe Bulgaria doesn't even allow an ethnic designation on its census. For sure the ethnic Serb population there has been greater than is officially stated.

This is nothing but a show of provocative chauvanism and far right extremism that really makes all Serbs and non Serbs cringe with disbelief at the overt show of stupidity and ignorance .
To all the "Greater Serbia" adherents on this site , now you have a chance to look at yourselves in the mirror. Not a very pretty picture is it?

They were headed for the eastern Serbian town of Bosilegrad, which they believe should be "given back to Bulgaria".
--
They came to cause trouble so the government was right not to allow them entry.

It won't be too long before the citizens of Serbia, Montenegro, BiH and FYROM realise the divisions caused by the West have mude us weak when divided and the natural path will be to form another union. Croatia and Slovenia belong with the West but the rest of us have stronger support coming from the East.

Based on recent surveys, the strongest support for such a union comes from FYROM and BiH. Serbia and Montenegro are natural partners so it won't be difficult to get us back, once Milo and other Western bootlickers are shown the exit.

"The real owners will always claim their land. No matter how many years that will take." (ben)

-- Yes. Usually on internet chat sites from countries far far away.

Is this a case of a EU country trying to steal neighbour's land? Pathetic

It seems like the ATAKA louts were there only to stir up tensions and cause trouble between Bulgarians and Serbs. Belgrade acted in the correct procedure.

With the ongoing issue of Kosovo, tensions in the Sandjak, Hungarians clamouring for greater devolving of powers in Vojvodina and an economy taking a battering, the last thing Belgrade needs is a bunch of Bulgarian far right wingnuts going on the rampage in the south east.

Simply amazing. While world is united in fighting the common threats from a global economic crises, sky rocketing unemployment, terrorism, nuclear proliferation, drug wars, hunger, climate change, and on and on, some nationalists want to argue about some border change that happened 100 years ago, way before they were even born. What the hell is wrong with people?

It's all part of the same Western interference project that goes back to the destruction of SFRJ in the 90s continued with Zukorlic's provocations, the Gay parade and pro-UDI diplomacy

Some nationalist Bugers got their day trip spoiled, who cares? You would think that people would have better things to do, in this time and age, than to go back into history when their grand daddies were young, and BS about some border they lost, because they lost a war. How far are we supposed to go back now with these border disputes in the Balkans. They changed on a yearly basis throughout history, depending on what side won what battle. Find better hobbies folks, because calling a piece of land Serbian, or Bulgarian, or Macedonian, or Greek, or whatever, will not improve your lives - in fact, it may worsen it.

Bulgaria wanted to send violent nazis with separatist ambitions to Serbia and now they have the shame to complain to the EU.

Yugoslavia, Montenegro and Kosovo have already been either destroyed or taken.

Sanđak, Vojvodina, Preševo; now Bosilegrad and possibly the area around it are under pressure.

When will the Serbian Government finally understand that, under the present circumstances, no amount of appeasement, perhaps even recognition of Kosovo ‘independence' itself, is going to change what is possibly a long term agenda to reduce Serbia to its pre-1878 level, comprising of Belgrade and Šumadija?

first off there is only 15,000 bulgarians in serbia so they could leave if they dont like it because everyone is treated fairly in serbia and its only these bulgarian nationalists anyway which are a very small group and next to the albanians on here vojvodina is over 75% Serb population and the hungarians are not saying much as you say and the minorities are aging and dying out and moving so they figure its 80%+ Serbs and for sandzak its 50-50 for Serbs and muslim serbs and preshovo albanians are not majority anymore even they are moving out and for kosovo tito let in the albanians in they were never in kosovo only in very small numbers so this is just talking for these albanians who live in the past just like the bulgarians and another thing bulgaria has 750,000 turks living there which is 10% of the country maybe the turks should split from them also because thats a very high number and albania is 35% none albanians heres both links so soon albania will have its own problems


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(tom, 30 November 2010 15:07)

i agree with everything you say there except in Bulgaria there is 900,000+ turks and yes the turks will be asking for much more rights and full autonomy in that part of the country if not then the turks will ask for independence and have a vote and the backing of turkey. thats only fair since bulgarians in serbia are such a small number and they are rattling their little sword of blank where as for turks in bulgaria there is 10% Turk population if not more.

the most important is the timing,when artifices explods they send the right message on the right moment on the right direction, two cousins(slavs) are fighting for relative problems and guess who is the winner the lovely neighbor...naravno

Bulgaria unhappy with Serbian response B92

Who cares..

lol, this says more about Bulgarians than Serbs.

To all the "Greater Serbia" adherents on this site , now you have a chance to look at yourselves in the mirror. Not a very pretty picture is it?
(truthiness, 30 November 2010 22:21)

We're not Cindarella, I must confess that.

I'd suggest you, as a light stage of the therapy, to leave the mirror for a while.

the only common borders and dispute between serbia and bulgaria is on the south south south...macedonia,and macedonia is sending help to kraljevo interest...soon will we hear news from there

"Ataka" is a neofascist party, very marginal in Bulgaria. It is the most anti-Western party in Bulgaria, the only one to stage protests against the vizit of Condoleezza Rice few years ago, against NATO etc. Those thugs clearly wanted a provokation, aimed... against the por-Western dirve of president Tadic.Unfortunately Serbia fell into the trap banning the visit. Most Bulgarians do NOT have any territorial claim, PROVIDED Serbia allows them an easy access to their compatriots in the Western Borderlands. Bulgaria was among the first to ratify the SAA with Serbia despite of the protests from "Ataka". Now thos tuggs have a good excuse to spread anti-Serbian propagganda in Bulgaria.

RE: "Bulgarian territories"

During the Balkan wars, Bulgaria was soundly trounced by Serbia fairly or unfairly, the region of Macedonia was split between Greece and Serbia in a seperate pact.

Bulgaria stabbed Serbia in the back in WWI when she invaded along with the Germans and Austro Hungarians forcing the entire country to retreat through the Albanian mountains. The Bulgarians were responsible for many attrocities during that period.

Not to be undone, Bulgaria again joined Nazi Germany to invade Serbia, again to be defeated.

Recently, the Bulgarian government recognized the illegal state of Kosovo against the will of its people.

Send the right wing Bulgarian extremists to their cousins in FYROM.

@Jugoslavia, Austria, well isn’t that the country that invaded Bosnia and cowardly Serbia was told to backstab Bulgaria instead? When Bulgaria was on Ottoman border, Serbia who Bulgaria thought were brothers, invades Bulgaria! Serbo-Bulgarian war 1885, which Serbia ends up loosing before the righteous Bulgar retaliation, Bulgaria pushes the Serb invader out and follows them into Serbia. Then *surprise, surprise* Austria comes to Serbia’s rescue threatening to join war on Serbia’s side. You just ‘happened’ to forget all this?

First Balkan war, Bulgaria reluctantly joins the Balkan League. This proves to be right, as Serbia makes a seperate alliance with Greece to divide Ottoman spoils between them, cuting out Bulgaria.
Bulgaria’s forces were more numerous than Greece + Serbia combined, thus we did most of the fighting, winning (wiped out more than half of Ottoman divisions on our own), and had highest casualties.
Bulgaria put in the highest effort by all, yet was unfairly treated by it’s “allies”. Bulgaria tries to counter by coming to agreement with Serbia and sign treaty how to divide Macedonia so not to create more tension. Serbia agrees, signs, n the very next day crosses agreed upon border into the Bulgarian side, demanding more land!
Bulgaria just had enough of Serb insolence n goes to war, ends up with 4 vs 1. Serbia, Romania, Ottoman Empire, Greece vs Bulgaria.
Serbia gets Macedonia, is supported by FRANCE AND ENGLAND.

Thus this leads directly to Germany stepping in as COUNTER-WEIGHT, WW1 happens just a few years after 2nd Balkan war. Result of ww1, Serbia keeps Macedonia.

@Jugoslavia, Austria, well isn’t that the country that invaded Bosnia and cowardly Serbia was told to backstab Bulgaria instead? When Bulgaria was on Ottoman border, Serbia who Bulgaria thought were brothers, invades Bulgaria! Serbo-Bulgarian war 1885, which Serbia ends up loosing before the righteous Bulgar retaliation, Bulgaria pushes the Serb invader out and follows them into Serbia. Then *surprise, surprise* Austria comes to Serbia’s rescue threatening to join war on Serbia’s side. You just ‘happened’ to forget all this?

(Yane, 1 December 2010 23:48)

The Bulgarians chose to wait for two years after Serbia defeated Austro-Hungary repeatedly during WWI through insurmountable odds. After the Serbs were ravaged from Typhus, half the army perished, General Mackenson Of Germany decided to attack together with Austro-Hungary and from the backside the Bulgarians.

To put the conflict in context between Bulgarian and Serbia in 1885, King Milan of Serbia was very close with the Austrian empire with heavy agricultural trade, ore so than with Bulgaria. Needless to say , Serbia has a long history with Austria and King Ferdinand of Ausria which allowed Serbs to have special status to defend Austria from the Turks in the Krajina frontier in the 16th century.

The battle of Silvnitsa in 1885 only lasted two weeks and King Milan underestimated the enemy. (0nly 70,000 troops were mobilized) A ceasefire was arranged by Austria between Serbia and Bulgaria. This was a mere skirmish compared to the Balkans Wars, WWI and WII.

Unfortunately, the politics of King William I of Germany and the new Archduke Ferdinand of Austro-Hungary changed that status as it is no secret that Archduke Ferdinand was afraid of the Pan Slavic movment and decided to Annex Bosnia Herzegovina for this fact. This later led to his assasination at the hand of Apis and some levels of the military establishment in Serbia.

During WWI, Serbia lost 16% percent of it's country to death during the war, close to 1million people, the highest of any country.

Freedom or death is what the miliary officers shouted as they drove through the Bulgarian lines in 1918 to free Serbia with only 75,000 troops at the disposal of King Alexander who was stationed in the Salonika western front.

The Bulgarians were decimated and quickly retreated when the Balkan front collapsed roken as the enraged Serbs raced to free the country.

Bulgaria joined the Central Powers in 1915 after one year of tough negotiation with the Entrant. They wanted nothing more than he implementation of the Treaty between Serbia and Bulgaria of 1912, which set up the Balkan League and drove the Ottomans from the hart of the Balkans. The refusal of Serbia to honor that treaty in 1913 led to the Second Balkan war. It provided that some areas in Macedonia were “Undisputedly” a Bulgarian zone an there was a “Contested” zone whose fate was to be decided by the Russian car. While Bulgarians were crushing the main Ottoman armies in front of Constantinople the Serbs occupied both the Contested and the uncontested zones. One of the reasons for the Serbian refusal to honor the treaty in 1913 was the unexpected creation of Albania. In 1915 while Serbs were fighting heavy battles against the Austrians, Bulgaria wanted to reach an amicable agreement. Terms were simple. The “Undisputed” zone to be transferred right away to Bulgaria, while the fate of the “Contested” zone to be decided after the war. The British are despaired to get Bulgaria on their side. They have landed in Gallipoli and things were going badly. A Bulgarian attack against the Turks would save the Gallipoli operation. They exert a lot of pressure on the Serbs. With no avail. The most Serbs agree to transfer the Contested zone (in which they keep army to rebellions!)… after the war. After the experience of 1913 the Bulgarians did not trust the Serbs and joined the other side. Both countries paid a terrible price for failing to cooperate.