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Saturday, 27.11.2010.

09:48

China warns S. Korea, U.S. over exercises

China has warned America and South Korea not to stage military acts near its coast, ahead of joint naval drills due to start on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.

Izvor: EuroNews

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(jesse, 28 November 2010 02:16)

Yes I now see how the US and EU help Serbia from drifting into anarchy by printing more and more money. The US is in the process of printing money until 2016 – there is no alternative they are beyond the point of no return and stopping now would cause economic collapse. It was not wishful thinking but fact that the US is dying – open your eyes and watch less Fox or CNN.

The EU or what’s going to be left of the EU, is too busy stopping its members from financial collapse with Portugal next then Malta then Spain and so on.

What makes me laugh is Albanians who are anti communist considering that Tito gave them free accommodation and cloths etc.

Prosperous Albanians, ha, ha, where are they? On Mars? The only Albanians I’ve seen are either in gaol or with their hand out for social security. European gaols are FILLED with Albanians. In fact the statistics show that the numbers incarcerated are extremely high in comparison with their numbers in these countries.



(Amer, 28 November 2010 01:19)


Your last comment on N/Korea sums up your knowledge of the region. Americans are so enmeshed in propaganda that you are clueless to anything outside of the US. Here is a hint; it’s China that keeps N/Korea going not South Korea as you people think. Spend less time on CNN and you might learn something.

If Serbs did not fight to defend themselves in 1999 then it was to stop the martians from invading earth, but where were your Albanians; hiding in the woods and waiting for mother to come out so they could hold onto her apron. As I said before Albanians have a bad history of leaching off others first the Turks then Tito and then US.

You can tell yourself all the stories you like but the US is FINISHED. Watch the Windbag carry out their “manoeuvres to show the renegade regime in N/Korea that we mean business”. The reality is that your US of Windbags is not even in the Yellow Sea, but in international waters.

Old proverb says that the less you open your mouth the less chance of flies going in. Perhaps the US should try it one day.

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Amer

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(Je¿ œwinsko-kapitalistyczny, 28 November 2010 18:36)

The proportion of the Serbians who wanted Milosevic out would have been lower if he had managed to hold onto Kosovo, I have to think. It's convenient now to blame the US for helping to keep him in power, but we know how these games are played. Anyway, I know Serbs like to blame the Albanians for not voting along with their liberals to oust Milosevic, but really, what were these liberals willing to offer the Albanians in return for their help? Were they even talking about autonomy, much less "more than autonomy"?

Yes, I remember the "invitation" Prague supposedly extended to the Warsaw Pact. No matter how bad things may get in Kosovo, though, I doubt you're going to find many there using that excuse - that the US forced its air-force on them.

As for Iraq, yes, the post-conflict period was probably one of the major screw-ups in all US history. Turning a defeated army against you by throwing everybody out of work was truly, truly stupid. Especially when you needed more manpower than you could supply just to maintain order.

As for the dust-up on the Korean Peninsula, who knows? North Korea is China's only client-state, it should pay more attention to what it gets up to. My guess: NK desperately needs food aid, and the only way the government there can accept it is to threaten the South, so it can tell its people that the resulting aid is a kind of tribute.

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Je¿ œwinsko-kapitalistyczny

pre 13 godina

If a population doesn't ask to be rescued from an oppressor (as in Kosovo), they may very well turn on their "liberators" (as in Iraq). Best in this case to let the country implode before offering help.
(Amer, 28 November 2010 17:45)

In the case of Kosovo the action was quite unfortunate because nearly the WHOLE population of the country wanted Milosevic to go. As expected, the intervention prolonged the process significantly. Much was said about the "legality" and "benefits" of 1999, so far the praise comes usually from the usual sources on B92 forum. Not even genuine Albanian Kosovars are 100% sure it was a fortunate thing.

BTW: "asking for help" was used frequently as a trick before - remember Prague in 1968.

IMO, Iraq shouldn't be lost the way it was. If you remember, at the begin things went excellent. The turning point was when American army did stand by during the big Looting of Baghdad - like bunch of impotent old f*rts before Miss Universe. Locals wanted Law + Order instantly, Dubya's people could not deliver it. And paid dearly.

In the case of NKorea my guess is, Obama is looking desperately who could be the fifth column - because he knows well, the first four will be way to expensive and the death toll on civilians, in particular in South would be horrific.

And for the "industrials" (let's call American Capitalist Pigs somewhat more nicely than they deserve) - the death toll on the S.Korean industry is even worse thing to face than death of millions.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"what NKorea means to China. As I said, China did hint a few times: NKorea is THEIR domestic issue. See Mount Paektu.

(Je¿ rozbójny, 28 November 2010 14:22) "

China might like to adjust the border a bit, but it definitely doesn't want to deal with the influx of 100s of thousands of starving North Koreans, which would surely follow any breakdown of the government. Nor do they want a unified, democratic, prosperous Korea directly on their doorstep - the Communist Party justifies its position by claiming that only its guidance can lift the rest of China out of poverty. It doesn't want any counter-examples just across the river.

A military overthrow of the North by the South (with US help) might not even be welcomed by the people there. For generations they've been told that the outside world resents their successes and is preparing to attack - doing so would just confirm what their government has been telling them. If a population doesn't ask to be rescued from an oppressor (as in Kosovo), they may very well turn on their "liberators" (as in Iraq). Best in this case to let the country implode before offering help.

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Je¿ rozbójny

pre 13 godina

For the US the military operation would be a humanitarian one. It would stop the suffering of 22 million people, and help remove an oppressive regime which is like a cancerous tumour on the face of earth.
(Joe, 28 November 2010 00:45)

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For South Korea it would be quite different. They would have to spend hundreds of billions just like West Germany did after the unification.
I don't know if South Korea is ready for that.
(Joe, 28 November 2010 00:45)


Little to object these two parts. The problems are with the rest what you said and also what NKorea means to China. As I said, China did hint a few times: NKorea is THEIR domestic issue. See Mount Paektu.

Now what you wrote otherwise is incorrect:

"those old Migs and even the rockets could be destroyed fairly fast by preventive surgical operations of the US Air Force. I discount all the obsolate tanks of North Korea. They are from the 50's and 60's. The South could use them as scrap metal.
For the US the military involvement would be very short, mostly air force and not expansive at all. Nothing of the type of Irak or even Afghanistan."


Look at the Wiki to see, what kind of air force did NKorean present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Air_Force

This is a total of 1600 - 1700 aircraft. From that number about 400 - 500 are relatively up-to-date and 40 (MiG-29) are relatively modern. All they need is few aircraft surviving, coming through and targeting SKorean CIVIL targets, mostly with chemical and other "dirty" weapons.

In other words: yes, the regime would do down. The costs of winning will be prohibiting because they will try to do maximal damage to civilian targets in South, regardless. They know precisely that if losing in the conflict the entire nomenclature will face justice. One more war crime does not count.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"When you think of US and EU think of the Sun and other countries as planets.Make your own conclusions.
(jesse, 28 November 2010 02:16)"

Yes, I think of the setting sun ..... and draw my conclusions accordingly.

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

It's funny to read our armchair keyboard warriors, Joe and JohnC, beating the drums of war.

The US have made a mess in Iraq, the Balkans and can't seem to beat a bunch of cavemen in Afghanistan but somehow think they can defeat a nuclear equipped highly disciplined force in North Korea? If they want Seoul and Toyko flattened and take this world into a suicidal nuclear offensive stage then they are on the right track.

The reason North Korea is nuclear equipped is for the very reason the US has kept the North and South divided. They have made practically no effort to bring peace and reconciliation to the region. We all know the US are the trouble makers of this world and I'm glad the world is waking up and standing up to this bully.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35)

Yeah, that kidney will be in the US- in a several hours. It's probably ordered few months ago..

In the US is much better organized, you just dissapear.

Give us "a little" break.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Nice company you have drawn up. Please rethink, if America is broke, how come you bring up the most broke ones as India and Brasil as friends of Serbia. Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35) "

We may lose our kidneys in India and Brazil, you say? Methinks you forgot one country right in Europe itself ..... you know, the one with the yellow house ....

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Je¿ paragwajski

pre 13 godina

Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35)

I did not know that at the time I was busy looking at the night vegetable market in Hangzhou, enjoyed the "white nights" in St. Pete and listened to the sound of Cataratas do Iguaçu. If you have other experience than I did - don't hide them, tell us what you did see.

The only thing I am curious - did you cross to Iguaçu from Paraguay or from Argentina?

Sorry, I really hate if someone posts some silly remark about a country he never ever visited. I have all rights to mock you. For how long did you live in the area around Catarats? You were born in Russia, right? Your wife was born in Southeast Asia, right?

Because of that, you are fully qualified to offer an expert opinion on Brazil, Russia, India, China. Right?

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Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

It is so funny what serbian minds can stage for the public. According to them USA is all but finished. If their mind is full of "history lessons" for others, I would advice to check the history of WWII. That time one would say that USA was also broke as the country experienced the greatest economic depression since it's existence but still managed to destroy two empires in two fronts at the same time. Russia that time was all but finished had America not offered the last minute helping hand through Lend-Lease Agreement.

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Je¿ wegetariañski

pre 13 godina

Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. And for for its patron China to act responsibly.
(Amer, 27 November 2010 19:03)

Amer - there are much more question about the whole thing than answers. Firstmost, I am thinking the circus has domestic NKorean importance - it's probably all about the future "Great Leader" (or whatever name they have ready for Kim #3). The entire inheritance question is not closed - there is probably a lot of resistance here and there, so probably Kim#2 needs to demonstrate, he is THA MAN.

Now the next thing. Korea is between the rock and hard place because their enemy #1 is also their friend #1. Not even South Korea (who talks about America!) has territorial demands towards NKorea. So from that point of view the relationship between the States and NKorea is fine and dandy: NKorea does not have any demand to annex California, neither USA does envision P'yongyang as the capital of 51st State.

Now the same can't be said about China, which according their own maps does put Mt. Paektu INSIDE of China. Since Mt. Paektu's ownership is very symbolic (who has it = has the whole north of the country) China makes it crystal-clear: NKorea's existence is merely tolerated, it deemed to be a colony.

Now under such conditions whom do we have as a neighbor?

#1: Uncle Sam, the greedy (as a proxy, but for very real, in S. Korea)
#2: Dragon, the menacing
#3: Bear, the mighty

Having such neighbors is not good for own independence. Good idea is to follow what Tito did or what Mongolia does. Of course, you can say "f you" to all three (that's what it seems they did chose lately) - but the result will be not optimal. All your hope will be that all three are vegetarians, the bear is busy foraging berries, the dragon has heartburn and can't use his fire and Uncle Sam has unfinished business in Iraq. Let's see for how long they can last.

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Je¿ военно-воздушный

pre 13 godina

The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23)

LOL, you are 100% correct. Let's take the same approach everywhere - why not be consistent? The little what remains from KFOR/EULEX would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic Albanian resistance could be "loosened" by the "Военно-Воздушные Силы" (ВВС ВС России). The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.

What do you think? Don't say the nick is incorrect because hedgehogs don't fly. Looking at so many comments here I think, even bsh*t does fly, the hedgehogs are (super)sonic.

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Hruz

pre 13 godina

"Serbs have the great friends of CHINA,RUSSIA,INDIA,BRAZIL AND all the future powers"

Nice company you have drawn up. Please rethink, if America is broke, how come you bring up the most broke ones as India and Brasil as friends of Serbia. Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

read your post before you post maybe you should because that's ridiculous.
(terry, 27 November 2010 18:17)
Terry or whatever your name is YOU should read your post before you send em becouse you sound just like another Serbian nationalist and West-Hater.It is amezing how many of live in the west but continue to hate it just like the 9/11 terrorist did.If you are waiting for America to die you will be waiting forever.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower? People refuse to see the facts as they are.
(sj, 27 November 2010 22:40
Your wishfull thinking is fueled by your blind hatred towards the west that feeds you, and toward prosperious Albanians that threaten your great Serbian myths.
American and EU help keeps Serbia from drifting into anarchy.
When you think of US and EU think of the Sun and other countries as planets.Make your own conclusions.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower?

(sj, 27 November 2010 22:40) "

Because Serbia didn't fight to defend itself in 1999 and it's comforting to think that while the US/Nato was unconquerable at that time, eventually it will be as weak as you think Serbia showed itself to be then.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. "
Amer

Sure Seoul is close to the border but those old Migs and even the rockets could be destroyed fairly fast by preventive surgical operations of the US Air Force. I discount all the obsolate tanks of North Korea. They are from the 50's and 60's. The South could use them as scrap metal.
For the US the military involvement would be very short, mostly air force and not expansive at all. Nothing of the type of Irak or even Afghanistan.
For South Korea it would be quite different. They would have to spend hundreds of billions just like West Germany did after the unification.
I don't know if South Korea is ready for that.
For the US the military operation would be a humanitarian one. It would stop the suffering of 22 million people, and help remove an oppressive regime which is like a cancerous tumour on the face of earth.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"kosovo is still serbia and will be always"

It looks like you are one track minded. You mind seems to gravitate around Kosovo. Please check the title of this article...it is about Korea.

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sj

pre 13 godina

What a shame that currently we have a tanned wimp as president, a disaster for our country for 2 more years. A strong president worthy of this title would show those Chinese commies in no time who has the upper hand, the military superiority.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 14:50)
the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.
(mijari, 27 November 2010 16:40)

Here are two excellent examples of people living in the glorious past of the US. This is 2010 not 1980. The US has been kicked out of the South China Sea and for that matter out of South East Asia which is the reason it has gone to Australia seeking ports for its military ship to replenish supplies and where necessary make repairs.
Barak Obama is not a wimp, but a highly capable and intelligent man unlike George Bush who could barely write his own name. Obama is the best thing that has happened to the US, however it’s all too late to do anything; I understand your frustrations but it’s a fact that most Americans and their hangers on have not come to terms with.
“(taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan)” Taiwan – no more; South Korea – irrelevant; due to N/Korea; Japan – neutralized through economic means; Pakistan – there are no US military bases in Pakistan and anyway it’s too far away. Your closest base that is effective is Guam in the Pacific Ocean or Diego Garcia. Diego Garcia will also be abandoned as India begins to take control over the Indian Ocean.
It takes shocks such as this unfortunate incident to remove the cloak of propaganda and the reality looks very ugly. The US can ill afford another disastrous conflict despite all the bravado because it might trigger an economic down slide of catastrophic proportions.
Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower? People refuse to see the facts as they are.

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america is a done

pre 13 godina

you people are in dream land if you think america could afford another war they are broke and getting worse and worse here's a link and who is going to pay for all of these people


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/460445591?-1397


there time is up and over if you guys dont watch TV and news and business affairs you should start and to you albanians its over no help for your lies the Serbs have the great friends of CHINA,RUSSIA,INDIA,BRAZIL AND all the future powers not your broke ones. kosovo is still serbia and will be always because the real powers say so and i hope america fights another war in NK and in iran and everywhere and take all of Albanians with you because you will need the help.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Don't wait! Do it now!!!
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23) "

Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. And for for its patron China to act responsibly.

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terry

pre 13 godina

the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.
(mijari, 27 November 2010 16:40) you albanians amuse with your comments on here the american people will not give support to the falling government because its the people that now have a say and the people are fed up with their lost wars and making the country totally broke, which it is and there is no plan. america has fallen and it's time to create jobs and not wars because the wars will destroy america to the max so if you think china and Russia and India are finished maybe you should watch business news and world affairs and not albanian news because you albanians have lost all support from america because of this disaster and i support the serbian people and not you as many world wide are also on deck because all we see with albanians are lies and cries that are fake and we seen at how many albanian terrorists have been arrested in america and Europe and the truth has been leaking out for years now since after the war in kosovo,serbia and also the kidnappings and selling of organs which you and your fanatical friends have done. so your lies are all out there for all of us to see and read and if you dont know china is the superpower of financial and India is growing fast and Russia is also growing and also in the weapons arsenals and Brazil so that's the 4 pack so you keep dreaming about this american plan because there is no plan but to create jobs in america and not worry about kosovo are bosnia are especially china and the rest of the 4 pack. and if you think Pakistan is on that boat with america you are dreaming and Taiwan are you kidding me are what do you read your post before you post maybe you should because that's ridiculous.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23)

I see., it remembers me on previous time..

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"It is time to end the horrors of famine, supression and outragoues leader cult. US, just do it, now. "
JohnC

Yes, do it now!! Timing is everything. With the US air power rocket and atomic installations could be knocked out in no time. The South Korean Army could easily do the rest in few weeks the most. They would be received as libarator brothers. The free world would cheer, its ennemies lament. The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.

Don't wait! Do it now!!!

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mijari

pre 13 godina

the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"i am not a serbian but i as many on this planet do support the serbians rights."
tom

Supportng those rights (whatever you mean by that) without material/military support is meaningless. As one would say "you can't take it to the bank".

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tom

pre 13 godina

america is done and should move on. and the funny thing is russia,china,india,brazil the bloc they call is serbian friends and very close to serbia so that's going to be a problem for the albanians, lol because they really dont have any friends. but the americans used them and now they got the turks pulling their noses and kosovo is not independent until the power houses of the world say so to you albanians hide like the americans because you have no support from anyone. so i cant wait for the albanian responses because it will be amusing and no i am not a serbian but i as many on this planet do support the serbians rights.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"A warning to take seriously. Last time China made it clear to the americans, not to sabre rattle around it´s coasts, they chickened out.
Aircraft carriers are practically sitting ducks to russian Sunburn, satan and onyx missiles, China has them all...
wtf

What a shame that currently we have a tanned wimp as president, a disaster for our country for 2 more years. A strong president worthy of this title would show those Chinese commies in no time who has the upper hand, the military superiority.

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JohnC.

pre 13 godina

The Commis and their quislings can whine as much as they want. The U.S.S. Washington will be there, executing drills with the democratic and prosperous nation of Southkorea and if necessary obliterate any attempt from the fascist North. The free nations of this world should always stick together and show the evil regimes that nothing can stop them. In fact, those fascist regimes such as in Pyongyang fear their own people more than anything else. Why else would they inprison 22 Mio? Nobody inprisons Southkoreans. In the contrary, they live a very good life, can travel anywhere and their brands such as Samsung, Hyundai, etc. are bought by the millions.

It is time to end the horrors of famine, supression and outragoues leader cult. US, just do it, now.

Cheers!

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Leonidas

pre 13 godina

China has warned America and South Korea not to stage military acts near its coast, ahead of joint naval drills due to start on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.

B92

One would argue the Korean incident is a proxy war, between China and the US instead of the disputed island reason betwenn NK and SK we've been given.

There is no doubt that China has been raising its game against the US by using its financial muscle.This week there was a big decision taken by China and Russia which was hardly mentioned in the Western media, that is to replace the US dollar in their trading activites with their own currencies.China and Russia also said they will try to conclude similar agreements with the rest of BRIC countries.

The big question is will the US go quietly?I doubt it.

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sj

pre 13 godina

“Despite the outrage it caused, Pyongyang may have succeeded on two counts: reducing the island’s civilian population, and further dividing Beijing and Washington”
I don’t know who wrote this, but it’s nonsense because there is no way China wants to get close to Washington on any front and China was NEVER in the world going to let North Korea fall and have a “democratic” country on its borders friendly to the United States of Windbags.
Windy will back down but tell its people that exercises were carried and the “Communist regime has received the message not to tamper with the glorious west” or some drivel like that which makes the average Yank feel warm and fuzzy.

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wtf

pre 13 godina

A warning to take seriously. Last time China made it clear to the americans, not to sabre rattle around it´s coasts, they chickened out.
Aircraft carriers are practically sitting ducks to russian Sunburn, satan and onyx missiles, China has them all...

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The Swiss

pre 13 godina

No wonder that all United State of Arrogance embassies around the world including in Geneva are looking like bunkers ! Go home war mongers, the world DOESN'T NEED 'ur' democracy !!

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

BEIJING -- China has warned America and South Korea not to stage military acts near its coast, ahead of joint naval drills due to start on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.
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Go home America. The troublemakers of this world cause instability wherever they go.

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tom

pre 13 godina

america is done and should move on. and the funny thing is russia,china,india,brazil the bloc they call is serbian friends and very close to serbia so that's going to be a problem for the albanians, lol because they really dont have any friends. but the americans used them and now they got the turks pulling their noses and kosovo is not independent until the power houses of the world say so to you albanians hide like the americans because you have no support from anyone. so i cant wait for the albanian responses because it will be amusing and no i am not a serbian but i as many on this planet do support the serbians rights.

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

BEIJING -- China has warned America and South Korea not to stage military acts near its coast, ahead of joint naval drills due to start on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.
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Go home America. The troublemakers of this world cause instability wherever they go.

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The Swiss

pre 13 godina

No wonder that all United State of Arrogance embassies around the world including in Geneva are looking like bunkers ! Go home war mongers, the world DOESN'T NEED 'ur' democracy !!

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wtf

pre 13 godina

A warning to take seriously. Last time China made it clear to the americans, not to sabre rattle around it´s coasts, they chickened out.
Aircraft carriers are practically sitting ducks to russian Sunburn, satan and onyx missiles, China has them all...

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sj

pre 13 godina

“Despite the outrage it caused, Pyongyang may have succeeded on two counts: reducing the island’s civilian population, and further dividing Beijing and Washington”
I don’t know who wrote this, but it’s nonsense because there is no way China wants to get close to Washington on any front and China was NEVER in the world going to let North Korea fall and have a “democratic” country on its borders friendly to the United States of Windbags.
Windy will back down but tell its people that exercises were carried and the “Communist regime has received the message not to tamper with the glorious west” or some drivel like that which makes the average Yank feel warm and fuzzy.

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Leonidas

pre 13 godina

China has warned America and South Korea not to stage military acts near its coast, ahead of joint naval drills due to start on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.

B92

One would argue the Korean incident is a proxy war, between China and the US instead of the disputed island reason betwenn NK and SK we've been given.

There is no doubt that China has been raising its game against the US by using its financial muscle.This week there was a big decision taken by China and Russia which was hardly mentioned in the Western media, that is to replace the US dollar in their trading activites with their own currencies.China and Russia also said they will try to conclude similar agreements with the rest of BRIC countries.

The big question is will the US go quietly?I doubt it.

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JohnC.

pre 13 godina

The Commis and their quislings can whine as much as they want. The U.S.S. Washington will be there, executing drills with the democratic and prosperous nation of Southkorea and if necessary obliterate any attempt from the fascist North. The free nations of this world should always stick together and show the evil regimes that nothing can stop them. In fact, those fascist regimes such as in Pyongyang fear their own people more than anything else. Why else would they inprison 22 Mio? Nobody inprisons Southkoreans. In the contrary, they live a very good life, can travel anywhere and their brands such as Samsung, Hyundai, etc. are bought by the millions.

It is time to end the horrors of famine, supression and outragoues leader cult. US, just do it, now.

Cheers!

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"It is time to end the horrors of famine, supression and outragoues leader cult. US, just do it, now. "
JohnC

Yes, do it now!! Timing is everything. With the US air power rocket and atomic installations could be knocked out in no time. The South Korean Army could easily do the rest in few weeks the most. They would be received as libarator brothers. The free world would cheer, its ennemies lament. The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.

Don't wait! Do it now!!!

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terry

pre 13 godina

the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.
(mijari, 27 November 2010 16:40) you albanians amuse with your comments on here the american people will not give support to the falling government because its the people that now have a say and the people are fed up with their lost wars and making the country totally broke, which it is and there is no plan. america has fallen and it's time to create jobs and not wars because the wars will destroy america to the max so if you think china and Russia and India are finished maybe you should watch business news and world affairs and not albanian news because you albanians have lost all support from america because of this disaster and i support the serbian people and not you as many world wide are also on deck because all we see with albanians are lies and cries that are fake and we seen at how many albanian terrorists have been arrested in america and Europe and the truth has been leaking out for years now since after the war in kosovo,serbia and also the kidnappings and selling of organs which you and your fanatical friends have done. so your lies are all out there for all of us to see and read and if you dont know china is the superpower of financial and India is growing fast and Russia is also growing and also in the weapons arsenals and Brazil so that's the 4 pack so you keep dreaming about this american plan because there is no plan but to create jobs in america and not worry about kosovo are bosnia are especially china and the rest of the 4 pack. and if you think Pakistan is on that boat with america you are dreaming and Taiwan are you kidding me are what do you read your post before you post maybe you should because that's ridiculous.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"A warning to take seriously. Last time China made it clear to the americans, not to sabre rattle around it´s coasts, they chickened out.
Aircraft carriers are practically sitting ducks to russian Sunburn, satan and onyx missiles, China has them all...
wtf

What a shame that currently we have a tanned wimp as president, a disaster for our country for 2 more years. A strong president worthy of this title would show those Chinese commies in no time who has the upper hand, the military superiority.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"i am not a serbian but i as many on this planet do support the serbians rights."
tom

Supportng those rights (whatever you mean by that) without material/military support is meaningless. As one would say "you can't take it to the bank".

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america is a done

pre 13 godina

you people are in dream land if you think america could afford another war they are broke and getting worse and worse here's a link and who is going to pay for all of these people


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/460445591?-1397


there time is up and over if you guys dont watch TV and news and business affairs you should start and to you albanians its over no help for your lies the Serbs have the great friends of CHINA,RUSSIA,INDIA,BRAZIL AND all the future powers not your broke ones. kosovo is still serbia and will be always because the real powers say so and i hope america fights another war in NK and in iran and everywhere and take all of Albanians with you because you will need the help.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23)

I see., it remembers me on previous time..

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sj

pre 13 godina

What a shame that currently we have a tanned wimp as president, a disaster for our country for 2 more years. A strong president worthy of this title would show those Chinese commies in no time who has the upper hand, the military superiority.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 14:50)
the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.
(mijari, 27 November 2010 16:40)

Here are two excellent examples of people living in the glorious past of the US. This is 2010 not 1980. The US has been kicked out of the South China Sea and for that matter out of South East Asia which is the reason it has gone to Australia seeking ports for its military ship to replenish supplies and where necessary make repairs.
Barak Obama is not a wimp, but a highly capable and intelligent man unlike George Bush who could barely write his own name. Obama is the best thing that has happened to the US, however it’s all too late to do anything; I understand your frustrations but it’s a fact that most Americans and their hangers on have not come to terms with.
“(taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan)” Taiwan – no more; South Korea – irrelevant; due to N/Korea; Japan – neutralized through economic means; Pakistan – there are no US military bases in Pakistan and anyway it’s too far away. Your closest base that is effective is Guam in the Pacific Ocean or Diego Garcia. Diego Garcia will also be abandoned as India begins to take control over the Indian Ocean.
It takes shocks such as this unfortunate incident to remove the cloak of propaganda and the reality looks very ugly. The US can ill afford another disastrous conflict despite all the bravado because it might trigger an economic down slide of catastrophic proportions.
Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower? People refuse to see the facts as they are.

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mijari

pre 13 godina

the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35)

Yeah, that kidney will be in the US- in a several hours. It's probably ordered few months ago..

In the US is much better organized, you just dissapear.

Give us "a little" break.

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Je¿ военно-воздушный

pre 13 godina

The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23)

LOL, you are 100% correct. Let's take the same approach everywhere - why not be consistent? The little what remains from KFOR/EULEX would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic Albanian resistance could be "loosened" by the "Военно-Воздушные Силы" (ВВС ВС России). The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.

What do you think? Don't say the nick is incorrect because hedgehogs don't fly. Looking at so many comments here I think, even bsh*t does fly, the hedgehogs are (super)sonic.

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

It's funny to read our armchair keyboard warriors, Joe and JohnC, beating the drums of war.

The US have made a mess in Iraq, the Balkans and can't seem to beat a bunch of cavemen in Afghanistan but somehow think they can defeat a nuclear equipped highly disciplined force in North Korea? If they want Seoul and Toyko flattened and take this world into a suicidal nuclear offensive stage then they are on the right track.

The reason North Korea is nuclear equipped is for the very reason the US has kept the North and South divided. They have made practically no effort to bring peace and reconciliation to the region. We all know the US are the trouble makers of this world and I'm glad the world is waking up and standing up to this bully.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Don't wait! Do it now!!!
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23) "

Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. And for for its patron China to act responsibly.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Nice company you have drawn up. Please rethink, if America is broke, how come you bring up the most broke ones as India and Brasil as friends of Serbia. Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35) "

We may lose our kidneys in India and Brazil, you say? Methinks you forgot one country right in Europe itself ..... you know, the one with the yellow house ....

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"When you think of US and EU think of the Sun and other countries as planets.Make your own conclusions.
(jesse, 28 November 2010 02:16)"

Yes, I think of the setting sun ..... and draw my conclusions accordingly.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"kosovo is still serbia and will be always"

It looks like you are one track minded. You mind seems to gravitate around Kosovo. Please check the title of this article...it is about Korea.

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Je¿ rozbójny

pre 13 godina

For the US the military operation would be a humanitarian one. It would stop the suffering of 22 million people, and help remove an oppressive regime which is like a cancerous tumour on the face of earth.
(Joe, 28 November 2010 00:45)

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For South Korea it would be quite different. They would have to spend hundreds of billions just like West Germany did after the unification.
I don't know if South Korea is ready for that.
(Joe, 28 November 2010 00:45)


Little to object these two parts. The problems are with the rest what you said and also what NKorea means to China. As I said, China did hint a few times: NKorea is THEIR domestic issue. See Mount Paektu.

Now what you wrote otherwise is incorrect:

"those old Migs and even the rockets could be destroyed fairly fast by preventive surgical operations of the US Air Force. I discount all the obsolate tanks of North Korea. They are from the 50's and 60's. The South could use them as scrap metal.
For the US the military involvement would be very short, mostly air force and not expansive at all. Nothing of the type of Irak or even Afghanistan."


Look at the Wiki to see, what kind of air force did NKorean present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Air_Force

This is a total of 1600 - 1700 aircraft. From that number about 400 - 500 are relatively up-to-date and 40 (MiG-29) are relatively modern. All they need is few aircraft surviving, coming through and targeting SKorean CIVIL targets, mostly with chemical and other "dirty" weapons.

In other words: yes, the regime would do down. The costs of winning will be prohibiting because they will try to do maximal damage to civilian targets in South, regardless. They know precisely that if losing in the conflict the entire nomenclature will face justice. One more war crime does not count.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower?

(sj, 27 November 2010 22:40) "

Because Serbia didn't fight to defend itself in 1999 and it's comforting to think that while the US/Nato was unconquerable at that time, eventually it will be as weak as you think Serbia showed itself to be then.

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sj

pre 13 godina

(jesse, 28 November 2010 02:16)

Yes I now see how the US and EU help Serbia from drifting into anarchy by printing more and more money. The US is in the process of printing money until 2016 – there is no alternative they are beyond the point of no return and stopping now would cause economic collapse. It was not wishful thinking but fact that the US is dying – open your eyes and watch less Fox or CNN.

The EU or what’s going to be left of the EU, is too busy stopping its members from financial collapse with Portugal next then Malta then Spain and so on.

What makes me laugh is Albanians who are anti communist considering that Tito gave them free accommodation and cloths etc.

Prosperous Albanians, ha, ha, where are they? On Mars? The only Albanians I’ve seen are either in gaol or with their hand out for social security. European gaols are FILLED with Albanians. In fact the statistics show that the numbers incarcerated are extremely high in comparison with their numbers in these countries.



(Amer, 28 November 2010 01:19)


Your last comment on N/Korea sums up your knowledge of the region. Americans are so enmeshed in propaganda that you are clueless to anything outside of the US. Here is a hint; it’s China that keeps N/Korea going not South Korea as you people think. Spend less time on CNN and you might learn something.

If Serbs did not fight to defend themselves in 1999 then it was to stop the martians from invading earth, but where were your Albanians; hiding in the woods and waiting for mother to come out so they could hold onto her apron. As I said before Albanians have a bad history of leaching off others first the Turks then Tito and then US.

You can tell yourself all the stories you like but the US is FINISHED. Watch the Windbag carry out their “manoeuvres to show the renegade regime in N/Korea that we mean business”. The reality is that your US of Windbags is not even in the Yellow Sea, but in international waters.

Old proverb says that the less you open your mouth the less chance of flies going in. Perhaps the US should try it one day.

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Je¿ paragwajski

pre 13 godina

Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35)

I did not know that at the time I was busy looking at the night vegetable market in Hangzhou, enjoyed the "white nights" in St. Pete and listened to the sound of Cataratas do Iguaçu. If you have other experience than I did - don't hide them, tell us what you did see.

The only thing I am curious - did you cross to Iguaçu from Paraguay or from Argentina?

Sorry, I really hate if someone posts some silly remark about a country he never ever visited. I have all rights to mock you. For how long did you live in the area around Catarats? You were born in Russia, right? Your wife was born in Southeast Asia, right?

Because of that, you are fully qualified to offer an expert opinion on Brazil, Russia, India, China. Right?

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Je¿ œwinsko-kapitalistyczny

pre 13 godina

If a population doesn't ask to be rescued from an oppressor (as in Kosovo), they may very well turn on their "liberators" (as in Iraq). Best in this case to let the country implode before offering help.
(Amer, 28 November 2010 17:45)

In the case of Kosovo the action was quite unfortunate because nearly the WHOLE population of the country wanted Milosevic to go. As expected, the intervention prolonged the process significantly. Much was said about the "legality" and "benefits" of 1999, so far the praise comes usually from the usual sources on B92 forum. Not even genuine Albanian Kosovars are 100% sure it was a fortunate thing.

BTW: "asking for help" was used frequently as a trick before - remember Prague in 1968.

IMO, Iraq shouldn't be lost the way it was. If you remember, at the begin things went excellent. The turning point was when American army did stand by during the big Looting of Baghdad - like bunch of impotent old f*rts before Miss Universe. Locals wanted Law + Order instantly, Dubya's people could not deliver it. And paid dearly.

In the case of NKorea my guess is, Obama is looking desperately who could be the fifth column - because he knows well, the first four will be way to expensive and the death toll on civilians, in particular in South would be horrific.

And for the "industrials" (let's call American Capitalist Pigs somewhat more nicely than they deserve) - the death toll on the S.Korean industry is even worse thing to face than death of millions.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. "
Amer

Sure Seoul is close to the border but those old Migs and even the rockets could be destroyed fairly fast by preventive surgical operations of the US Air Force. I discount all the obsolate tanks of North Korea. They are from the 50's and 60's. The South could use them as scrap metal.
For the US the military involvement would be very short, mostly air force and not expansive at all. Nothing of the type of Irak or even Afghanistan.
For South Korea it would be quite different. They would have to spend hundreds of billions just like West Germany did after the unification.
I don't know if South Korea is ready for that.
For the US the military operation would be a humanitarian one. It would stop the suffering of 22 million people, and help remove an oppressive regime which is like a cancerous tumour on the face of earth.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower? People refuse to see the facts as they are.
(sj, 27 November 2010 22:40
Your wishfull thinking is fueled by your blind hatred towards the west that feeds you, and toward prosperious Albanians that threaten your great Serbian myths.
American and EU help keeps Serbia from drifting into anarchy.
When you think of US and EU think of the Sun and other countries as planets.Make your own conclusions.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

read your post before you post maybe you should because that's ridiculous.
(terry, 27 November 2010 18:17)
Terry or whatever your name is YOU should read your post before you send em becouse you sound just like another Serbian nationalist and West-Hater.It is amezing how many of live in the west but continue to hate it just like the 9/11 terrorist did.If you are waiting for America to die you will be waiting forever.

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Hruz

pre 13 godina

"Serbs have the great friends of CHINA,RUSSIA,INDIA,BRAZIL AND all the future powers"

Nice company you have drawn up. Please rethink, if America is broke, how come you bring up the most broke ones as India and Brasil as friends of Serbia. Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ œwinsko-kapitalistyczny, 28 November 2010 18:36)

The proportion of the Serbians who wanted Milosevic out would have been lower if he had managed to hold onto Kosovo, I have to think. It's convenient now to blame the US for helping to keep him in power, but we know how these games are played. Anyway, I know Serbs like to blame the Albanians for not voting along with their liberals to oust Milosevic, but really, what were these liberals willing to offer the Albanians in return for their help? Were they even talking about autonomy, much less "more than autonomy"?

Yes, I remember the "invitation" Prague supposedly extended to the Warsaw Pact. No matter how bad things may get in Kosovo, though, I doubt you're going to find many there using that excuse - that the US forced its air-force on them.

As for Iraq, yes, the post-conflict period was probably one of the major screw-ups in all US history. Turning a defeated army against you by throwing everybody out of work was truly, truly stupid. Especially when you needed more manpower than you could supply just to maintain order.

As for the dust-up on the Korean Peninsula, who knows? North Korea is China's only client-state, it should pay more attention to what it gets up to. My guess: NK desperately needs food aid, and the only way the government there can accept it is to threaten the South, so it can tell its people that the resulting aid is a kind of tribute.

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Je¿ wegetariañski

pre 13 godina

Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. And for for its patron China to act responsibly.
(Amer, 27 November 2010 19:03)

Amer - there are much more question about the whole thing than answers. Firstmost, I am thinking the circus has domestic NKorean importance - it's probably all about the future "Great Leader" (or whatever name they have ready for Kim #3). The entire inheritance question is not closed - there is probably a lot of resistance here and there, so probably Kim#2 needs to demonstrate, he is THA MAN.

Now the next thing. Korea is between the rock and hard place because their enemy #1 is also their friend #1. Not even South Korea (who talks about America!) has territorial demands towards NKorea. So from that point of view the relationship between the States and NKorea is fine and dandy: NKorea does not have any demand to annex California, neither USA does envision P'yongyang as the capital of 51st State.

Now the same can't be said about China, which according their own maps does put Mt. Paektu INSIDE of China. Since Mt. Paektu's ownership is very symbolic (who has it = has the whole north of the country) China makes it crystal-clear: NKorea's existence is merely tolerated, it deemed to be a colony.

Now under such conditions whom do we have as a neighbor?

#1: Uncle Sam, the greedy (as a proxy, but for very real, in S. Korea)
#2: Dragon, the menacing
#3: Bear, the mighty

Having such neighbors is not good for own independence. Good idea is to follow what Tito did or what Mongolia does. Of course, you can say "f you" to all three (that's what it seems they did chose lately) - but the result will be not optimal. All your hope will be that all three are vegetarians, the bear is busy foraging berries, the dragon has heartburn and can't use his fire and Uncle Sam has unfinished business in Iraq. Let's see for how long they can last.

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Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

It is so funny what serbian minds can stage for the public. According to them USA is all but finished. If their mind is full of "history lessons" for others, I would advice to check the history of WWII. That time one would say that USA was also broke as the country experienced the greatest economic depression since it's existence but still managed to destroy two empires in two fronts at the same time. Russia that time was all but finished had America not offered the last minute helping hand through Lend-Lease Agreement.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"what NKorea means to China. As I said, China did hint a few times: NKorea is THEIR domestic issue. See Mount Paektu.

(Je¿ rozbójny, 28 November 2010 14:22) "

China might like to adjust the border a bit, but it definitely doesn't want to deal with the influx of 100s of thousands of starving North Koreans, which would surely follow any breakdown of the government. Nor do they want a unified, democratic, prosperous Korea directly on their doorstep - the Communist Party justifies its position by claiming that only its guidance can lift the rest of China out of poverty. It doesn't want any counter-examples just across the river.

A military overthrow of the North by the South (with US help) might not even be welcomed by the people there. For generations they've been told that the outside world resents their successes and is preparing to attack - doing so would just confirm what their government has been telling them. If a population doesn't ask to be rescued from an oppressor (as in Kosovo), they may very well turn on their "liberators" (as in Iraq). Best in this case to let the country implode before offering help.

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JohnC.

pre 13 godina

The Commis and their quislings can whine as much as they want. The U.S.S. Washington will be there, executing drills with the democratic and prosperous nation of Southkorea and if necessary obliterate any attempt from the fascist North. The free nations of this world should always stick together and show the evil regimes that nothing can stop them. In fact, those fascist regimes such as in Pyongyang fear their own people more than anything else. Why else would they inprison 22 Mio? Nobody inprisons Southkoreans. In the contrary, they live a very good life, can travel anywhere and their brands such as Samsung, Hyundai, etc. are bought by the millions.

It is time to end the horrors of famine, supression and outragoues leader cult. US, just do it, now.

Cheers!

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"A warning to take seriously. Last time China made it clear to the americans, not to sabre rattle around it´s coasts, they chickened out.
Aircraft carriers are practically sitting ducks to russian Sunburn, satan and onyx missiles, China has them all...
wtf

What a shame that currently we have a tanned wimp as president, a disaster for our country for 2 more years. A strong president worthy of this title would show those Chinese commies in no time who has the upper hand, the military superiority.

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mijari

pre 13 godina

the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"It is time to end the horrors of famine, supression and outragoues leader cult. US, just do it, now. "
JohnC

Yes, do it now!! Timing is everything. With the US air power rocket and atomic installations could be knocked out in no time. The South Korean Army could easily do the rest in few weeks the most. They would be received as libarator brothers. The free world would cheer, its ennemies lament. The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.

Don't wait! Do it now!!!

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

BEIJING -- China has warned America and South Korea not to stage military acts near its coast, ahead of joint naval drills due to start on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.
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Go home America. The troublemakers of this world cause instability wherever they go.

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The Swiss

pre 13 godina

No wonder that all United State of Arrogance embassies around the world including in Geneva are looking like bunkers ! Go home war mongers, the world DOESN'T NEED 'ur' democracy !!

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"i am not a serbian but i as many on this planet do support the serbians rights."
tom

Supportng those rights (whatever you mean by that) without material/military support is meaningless. As one would say "you can't take it to the bank".

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Leonidas

pre 13 godina

China has warned America and South Korea not to stage military acts near its coast, ahead of joint naval drills due to start on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.

B92

One would argue the Korean incident is a proxy war, between China and the US instead of the disputed island reason betwenn NK and SK we've been given.

There is no doubt that China has been raising its game against the US by using its financial muscle.This week there was a big decision taken by China and Russia which was hardly mentioned in the Western media, that is to replace the US dollar in their trading activites with their own currencies.China and Russia also said they will try to conclude similar agreements with the rest of BRIC countries.

The big question is will the US go quietly?I doubt it.

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tom

pre 13 godina

america is done and should move on. and the funny thing is russia,china,india,brazil the bloc they call is serbian friends and very close to serbia so that's going to be a problem for the albanians, lol because they really dont have any friends. but the americans used them and now they got the turks pulling their noses and kosovo is not independent until the power houses of the world say so to you albanians hide like the americans because you have no support from anyone. so i cant wait for the albanian responses because it will be amusing and no i am not a serbian but i as many on this planet do support the serbians rights.

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wtf

pre 13 godina

A warning to take seriously. Last time China made it clear to the americans, not to sabre rattle around it´s coasts, they chickened out.
Aircraft carriers are practically sitting ducks to russian Sunburn, satan and onyx missiles, China has them all...

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sj

pre 13 godina

“Despite the outrage it caused, Pyongyang may have succeeded on two counts: reducing the island’s civilian population, and further dividing Beijing and Washington”
I don’t know who wrote this, but it’s nonsense because there is no way China wants to get close to Washington on any front and China was NEVER in the world going to let North Korea fall and have a “democratic” country on its borders friendly to the United States of Windbags.
Windy will back down but tell its people that exercises were carried and the “Communist regime has received the message not to tamper with the glorious west” or some drivel like that which makes the average Yank feel warm and fuzzy.

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Hruz

pre 13 godina

"Serbs have the great friends of CHINA,RUSSIA,INDIA,BRAZIL AND all the future powers"

Nice company you have drawn up. Please rethink, if America is broke, how come you bring up the most broke ones as India and Brasil as friends of Serbia. Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. "
Amer

Sure Seoul is close to the border but those old Migs and even the rockets could be destroyed fairly fast by preventive surgical operations of the US Air Force. I discount all the obsolate tanks of North Korea. They are from the 50's and 60's. The South could use them as scrap metal.
For the US the military involvement would be very short, mostly air force and not expansive at all. Nothing of the type of Irak or even Afghanistan.
For South Korea it would be quite different. They would have to spend hundreds of billions just like West Germany did after the unification.
I don't know if South Korea is ready for that.
For the US the military operation would be a humanitarian one. It would stop the suffering of 22 million people, and help remove an oppressive regime which is like a cancerous tumour on the face of earth.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower? People refuse to see the facts as they are.
(sj, 27 November 2010 22:40
Your wishfull thinking is fueled by your blind hatred towards the west that feeds you, and toward prosperious Albanians that threaten your great Serbian myths.
American and EU help keeps Serbia from drifting into anarchy.
When you think of US and EU think of the Sun and other countries as planets.Make your own conclusions.

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america is a done

pre 13 godina

you people are in dream land if you think america could afford another war they are broke and getting worse and worse here's a link and who is going to pay for all of these people


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/460445591?-1397


there time is up and over if you guys dont watch TV and news and business affairs you should start and to you albanians its over no help for your lies the Serbs have the great friends of CHINA,RUSSIA,INDIA,BRAZIL AND all the future powers not your broke ones. kosovo is still serbia and will be always because the real powers say so and i hope america fights another war in NK and in iran and everywhere and take all of Albanians with you because you will need the help.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"kosovo is still serbia and will be always"

It looks like you are one track minded. You mind seems to gravitate around Kosovo. Please check the title of this article...it is about Korea.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Don't wait! Do it now!!!
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23) "

Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. And for for its patron China to act responsibly.

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jesse

pre 13 godina

read your post before you post maybe you should because that's ridiculous.
(terry, 27 November 2010 18:17)
Terry or whatever your name is YOU should read your post before you send em becouse you sound just like another Serbian nationalist and West-Hater.It is amezing how many of live in the west but continue to hate it just like the 9/11 terrorist did.If you are waiting for America to die you will be waiting forever.

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terry

pre 13 godina

the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.
(mijari, 27 November 2010 16:40) you albanians amuse with your comments on here the american people will not give support to the falling government because its the people that now have a say and the people are fed up with their lost wars and making the country totally broke, which it is and there is no plan. america has fallen and it's time to create jobs and not wars because the wars will destroy america to the max so if you think china and Russia and India are finished maybe you should watch business news and world affairs and not albanian news because you albanians have lost all support from america because of this disaster and i support the serbian people and not you as many world wide are also on deck because all we see with albanians are lies and cries that are fake and we seen at how many albanian terrorists have been arrested in america and Europe and the truth has been leaking out for years now since after the war in kosovo,serbia and also the kidnappings and selling of organs which you and your fanatical friends have done. so your lies are all out there for all of us to see and read and if you dont know china is the superpower of financial and India is growing fast and Russia is also growing and also in the weapons arsenals and Brazil so that's the 4 pack so you keep dreaming about this american plan because there is no plan but to create jobs in america and not worry about kosovo are bosnia are especially china and the rest of the 4 pack. and if you think Pakistan is on that boat with america you are dreaming and Taiwan are you kidding me are what do you read your post before you post maybe you should because that's ridiculous.

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sj

pre 13 godina

What a shame that currently we have a tanned wimp as president, a disaster for our country for 2 more years. A strong president worthy of this title would show those Chinese commies in no time who has the upper hand, the military superiority.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 14:50)
the communists are finished! north korea is the first... and as i see china is more and more surrounded by american bases (taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan) the question is why? im sure the US have a very clear plan.
(mijari, 27 November 2010 16:40)

Here are two excellent examples of people living in the glorious past of the US. This is 2010 not 1980. The US has been kicked out of the South China Sea and for that matter out of South East Asia which is the reason it has gone to Australia seeking ports for its military ship to replenish supplies and where necessary make repairs.
Barak Obama is not a wimp, but a highly capable and intelligent man unlike George Bush who could barely write his own name. Obama is the best thing that has happened to the US, however it’s all too late to do anything; I understand your frustrations but it’s a fact that most Americans and their hangers on have not come to terms with.
“(taiwan,japan,south-korea,pakistan)” Taiwan – no more; South Korea – irrelevant; due to N/Korea; Japan – neutralized through economic means; Pakistan – there are no US military bases in Pakistan and anyway it’s too far away. Your closest base that is effective is Guam in the Pacific Ocean or Diego Garcia. Diego Garcia will also be abandoned as India begins to take control over the Indian Ocean.
It takes shocks such as this unfortunate incident to remove the cloak of propaganda and the reality looks very ugly. The US can ill afford another disastrous conflict despite all the bravado because it might trigger an economic down slide of catastrophic proportions.
Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower? People refuse to see the facts as they are.

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Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

It is so funny what serbian minds can stage for the public. According to them USA is all but finished. If their mind is full of "history lessons" for others, I would advice to check the history of WWII. That time one would say that USA was also broke as the country experienced the greatest economic depression since it's existence but still managed to destroy two empires in two fronts at the same time. Russia that time was all but finished had America not offered the last minute helping hand through Lend-Lease Agreement.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"Why do you think I have been saying that the US is no longer a superpower?

(sj, 27 November 2010 22:40) "

Because Serbia didn't fight to defend itself in 1999 and it's comforting to think that while the US/Nato was unconquerable at that time, eventually it will be as weak as you think Serbia showed itself to be then.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23)

I see., it remembers me on previous time..

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35)

Yeah, that kidney will be in the US- in a several hours. It's probably ordered few months ago..

In the US is much better organized, you just dissapear.

Give us "a little" break.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"When you think of US and EU think of the Sun and other countries as planets.Make your own conclusions.
(jesse, 28 November 2010 02:16)"

Yes, I think of the setting sun ..... and draw my conclusions accordingly.

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

It's funny to read our armchair keyboard warriors, Joe and JohnC, beating the drums of war.

The US have made a mess in Iraq, the Balkans and can't seem to beat a bunch of cavemen in Afghanistan but somehow think they can defeat a nuclear equipped highly disciplined force in North Korea? If they want Seoul and Toyko flattened and take this world into a suicidal nuclear offensive stage then they are on the right track.

The reason North Korea is nuclear equipped is for the very reason the US has kept the North and South divided. They have made practically no effort to bring peace and reconciliation to the region. We all know the US are the trouble makers of this world and I'm glad the world is waking up and standing up to this bully.

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lowe

pre 13 godina

"Nice company you have drawn up. Please rethink, if America is broke, how come you bring up the most broke ones as India and Brasil as friends of Serbia. Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35) "

We may lose our kidneys in India and Brazil, you say? Methinks you forgot one country right in Europe itself ..... you know, the one with the yellow house ....

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"what NKorea means to China. As I said, China did hint a few times: NKorea is THEIR domestic issue. See Mount Paektu.

(Je¿ rozbójny, 28 November 2010 14:22) "

China might like to adjust the border a bit, but it definitely doesn't want to deal with the influx of 100s of thousands of starving North Koreans, which would surely follow any breakdown of the government. Nor do they want a unified, democratic, prosperous Korea directly on their doorstep - the Communist Party justifies its position by claiming that only its guidance can lift the rest of China out of poverty. It doesn't want any counter-examples just across the river.

A military overthrow of the North by the South (with US help) might not even be welcomed by the people there. For generations they've been told that the outside world resents their successes and is preparing to attack - doing so would just confirm what their government has been telling them. If a population doesn't ask to be rescued from an oppressor (as in Kosovo), they may very well turn on their "liberators" (as in Iraq). Best in this case to let the country implode before offering help.

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Je¿ военно-воздушный

pre 13 godina

The million army of the North would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic resistence could be "loosened" by the US air force. The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.
(Joe, 27 November 2010 16:23)

LOL, you are 100% correct. Let's take the same approach everywhere - why not be consistent? The little what remains from KFOR/EULEX would collapse in no time like the one of Saddam. Sporadic Albanian resistance could be "loosened" by the "Военно-Воздушные Силы" (ВВС ВС России). The participation of friendly countries would not be necessary.

What do you think? Don't say the nick is incorrect because hedgehogs don't fly. Looking at so many comments here I think, even bsh*t does fly, the hedgehogs are (super)sonic.

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Je¿ paragwajski

pre 13 godina

Pease visit these places and try walking on the streets at night without armed escort. You are either mugged or your kidney will be gone.
(Hruz, 28 November 2010 08:35)

I did not know that at the time I was busy looking at the night vegetable market in Hangzhou, enjoyed the "white nights" in St. Pete and listened to the sound of Cataratas do Iguaçu. If you have other experience than I did - don't hide them, tell us what you did see.

The only thing I am curious - did you cross to Iguaçu from Paraguay or from Argentina?

Sorry, I really hate if someone posts some silly remark about a country he never ever visited. I have all rights to mock you. For how long did you live in the area around Catarats? You were born in Russia, right? Your wife was born in Southeast Asia, right?

Because of that, you are fully qualified to offer an expert opinion on Brazil, Russia, India, China. Right?

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Je¿ wegetariañski

pre 13 godina

Sure, North Korea could be defeated - but not before Seoul is attacked. It's practically on the border. North Korea has too little to lose, and South Korea, too much. Patience is what's needed here. And for for its patron China to act responsibly.
(Amer, 27 November 2010 19:03)

Amer - there are much more question about the whole thing than answers. Firstmost, I am thinking the circus has domestic NKorean importance - it's probably all about the future "Great Leader" (or whatever name they have ready for Kim #3). The entire inheritance question is not closed - there is probably a lot of resistance here and there, so probably Kim#2 needs to demonstrate, he is THA MAN.

Now the next thing. Korea is between the rock and hard place because their enemy #1 is also their friend #1. Not even South Korea (who talks about America!) has territorial demands towards NKorea. So from that point of view the relationship between the States and NKorea is fine and dandy: NKorea does not have any demand to annex California, neither USA does envision P'yongyang as the capital of 51st State.

Now the same can't be said about China, which according their own maps does put Mt. Paektu INSIDE of China. Since Mt. Paektu's ownership is very symbolic (who has it = has the whole north of the country) China makes it crystal-clear: NKorea's existence is merely tolerated, it deemed to be a colony.

Now under such conditions whom do we have as a neighbor?

#1: Uncle Sam, the greedy (as a proxy, but for very real, in S. Korea)
#2: Dragon, the menacing
#3: Bear, the mighty

Having such neighbors is not good for own independence. Good idea is to follow what Tito did or what Mongolia does. Of course, you can say "f you" to all three (that's what it seems they did chose lately) - but the result will be not optimal. All your hope will be that all three are vegetarians, the bear is busy foraging berries, the dragon has heartburn and can't use his fire and Uncle Sam has unfinished business in Iraq. Let's see for how long they can last.

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Je¿ rozbójny

pre 13 godina

For the US the military operation would be a humanitarian one. It would stop the suffering of 22 million people, and help remove an oppressive regime which is like a cancerous tumour on the face of earth.
(Joe, 28 November 2010 00:45)

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For South Korea it would be quite different. They would have to spend hundreds of billions just like West Germany did after the unification.
I don't know if South Korea is ready for that.
(Joe, 28 November 2010 00:45)


Little to object these two parts. The problems are with the rest what you said and also what NKorea means to China. As I said, China did hint a few times: NKorea is THEIR domestic issue. See Mount Paektu.

Now what you wrote otherwise is incorrect:

"those old Migs and even the rockets could be destroyed fairly fast by preventive surgical operations of the US Air Force. I discount all the obsolate tanks of North Korea. They are from the 50's and 60's. The South could use them as scrap metal.
For the US the military involvement would be very short, mostly air force and not expansive at all. Nothing of the type of Irak or even Afghanistan."


Look at the Wiki to see, what kind of air force did NKorean present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Air_Force

This is a total of 1600 - 1700 aircraft. From that number about 400 - 500 are relatively up-to-date and 40 (MiG-29) are relatively modern. All they need is few aircraft surviving, coming through and targeting SKorean CIVIL targets, mostly with chemical and other "dirty" weapons.

In other words: yes, the regime would do down. The costs of winning will be prohibiting because they will try to do maximal damage to civilian targets in South, regardless. They know precisely that if losing in the conflict the entire nomenclature will face justice. One more war crime does not count.

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Je¿ œwinsko-kapitalistyczny

pre 13 godina

If a population doesn't ask to be rescued from an oppressor (as in Kosovo), they may very well turn on their "liberators" (as in Iraq). Best in this case to let the country implode before offering help.
(Amer, 28 November 2010 17:45)

In the case of Kosovo the action was quite unfortunate because nearly the WHOLE population of the country wanted Milosevic to go. As expected, the intervention prolonged the process significantly. Much was said about the "legality" and "benefits" of 1999, so far the praise comes usually from the usual sources on B92 forum. Not even genuine Albanian Kosovars are 100% sure it was a fortunate thing.

BTW: "asking for help" was used frequently as a trick before - remember Prague in 1968.

IMO, Iraq shouldn't be lost the way it was. If you remember, at the begin things went excellent. The turning point was when American army did stand by during the big Looting of Baghdad - like bunch of impotent old f*rts before Miss Universe. Locals wanted Law + Order instantly, Dubya's people could not deliver it. And paid dearly.

In the case of NKorea my guess is, Obama is looking desperately who could be the fifth column - because he knows well, the first four will be way to expensive and the death toll on civilians, in particular in South would be horrific.

And for the "industrials" (let's call American Capitalist Pigs somewhat more nicely than they deserve) - the death toll on the S.Korean industry is even worse thing to face than death of millions.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

(Je¿ œwinsko-kapitalistyczny, 28 November 2010 18:36)

The proportion of the Serbians who wanted Milosevic out would have been lower if he had managed to hold onto Kosovo, I have to think. It's convenient now to blame the US for helping to keep him in power, but we know how these games are played. Anyway, I know Serbs like to blame the Albanians for not voting along with their liberals to oust Milosevic, but really, what were these liberals willing to offer the Albanians in return for their help? Were they even talking about autonomy, much less "more than autonomy"?

Yes, I remember the "invitation" Prague supposedly extended to the Warsaw Pact. No matter how bad things may get in Kosovo, though, I doubt you're going to find many there using that excuse - that the US forced its air-force on them.

As for Iraq, yes, the post-conflict period was probably one of the major screw-ups in all US history. Turning a defeated army against you by throwing everybody out of work was truly, truly stupid. Especially when you needed more manpower than you could supply just to maintain order.

As for the dust-up on the Korean Peninsula, who knows? North Korea is China's only client-state, it should pay more attention to what it gets up to. My guess: NK desperately needs food aid, and the only way the government there can accept it is to threaten the South, so it can tell its people that the resulting aid is a kind of tribute.

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sj

pre 13 godina

(jesse, 28 November 2010 02:16)

Yes I now see how the US and EU help Serbia from drifting into anarchy by printing more and more money. The US is in the process of printing money until 2016 – there is no alternative they are beyond the point of no return and stopping now would cause economic collapse. It was not wishful thinking but fact that the US is dying – open your eyes and watch less Fox or CNN.

The EU or what’s going to be left of the EU, is too busy stopping its members from financial collapse with Portugal next then Malta then Spain and so on.

What makes me laugh is Albanians who are anti communist considering that Tito gave them free accommodation and cloths etc.

Prosperous Albanians, ha, ha, where are they? On Mars? The only Albanians I’ve seen are either in gaol or with their hand out for social security. European gaols are FILLED with Albanians. In fact the statistics show that the numbers incarcerated are extremely high in comparison with their numbers in these countries.



(Amer, 28 November 2010 01:19)


Your last comment on N/Korea sums up your knowledge of the region. Americans are so enmeshed in propaganda that you are clueless to anything outside of the US. Here is a hint; it’s China that keeps N/Korea going not South Korea as you people think. Spend less time on CNN and you might learn something.

If Serbs did not fight to defend themselves in 1999 then it was to stop the martians from invading earth, but where were your Albanians; hiding in the woods and waiting for mother to come out so they could hold onto her apron. As I said before Albanians have a bad history of leaching off others first the Turks then Tito and then US.

You can tell yourself all the stories you like but the US is FINISHED. Watch the Windbag carry out their “manoeuvres to show the renegade regime in N/Korea that we mean business”. The reality is that your US of Windbags is not even in the Yellow Sea, but in international waters.

Old proverb says that the less you open your mouth the less chance of flies going in. Perhaps the US should try it one day.

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