EU's "status-neutral" questionnaire

How is this good news for Serbia when Kosova is not being discussed as being part of Serbia? How does this not constitute recognizing Kosova as opposed to siting down in a conference where Kosova is also present and then storming out from it because that means recognizing it? You Serbs are some weird people. What I mean is that you yourselves don't know where you stand. First you say you wan't deal or do on anything that doesn't specifically and clearly state that Kosova is part of Serbia. Yet when something comes your way and it clearly leaves this out you're happy to go along with it? Serbia behaves like fickle minded woman.

Looking at the remaining unresolved issues, it appears that Serbia will not enter the EU till approximately 2025.

How is this good news for Serbia when Kosova is not being discussed as being part of Serbia? How does this not constitute recognizing Kosova as opposed to siting down in a conference where Kosova is also present and then storming out from it because that means recognizing it? You Serbs are some weird people. What I mean is that you yourselves don't know where you stand. First you say you wan't deal or do on anything that doesn't specifically and clearly state that Kosova is part of Serbia. Yet when something comes your way and it clearly leaves this out you're happy to go along with it? Serbia behaves like fickle minded woman.
(johny, 24 November 2010 17:30)


What are you talking about? You must be reading a different article on an Albanian website. The EU has NOT recognised Kosovo as independent and as its still an unresolved issue it has to be treated differently.

Please are they any Albos out there that actually know how diplomacy works?

What are you talking about? You must be reading a different article on an Albanian website. The EU has NOT recognised Kosovo as independent and as its still an unresolved issue it has to be treated differently.
(sj, 24 November 2010 22:02)

I think that's precisely what Johny was saying. EU has not recognized Kosovo as independent, but in the same time is not recognizing Kosovo as part of Serbia.

What are you talking about? You must be reading a different article on an Albanian website. The EU has NOT recognised Kosovo as independent and as its still an unresolved issue it has to be treated differently.

Please are they any Albos out there that actually know how diplomacy works?
(sj, 24 November 2010 22:02)

What are you on? Where do you see me saying EU recognizing Kosova? Let me know when you're done ranting and playing the usual Serb stereotype.

Please are they any Albos out there that actually know how diplomacy works?
(sj, 24 November 2010 22:02)
Not Albanian but diplomacy works by we will not force you to say Kosovo is independent as long as you do not insist that it is a Serbian province.
Getting Serbia to discontinue claims on Kosovo, is 3/4s the battle, after that it is just technicalities.

@ ICJ
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Very nice responce. Although you really didn't rebudle at all, all you did was reverse what I was implying, and by the structure of the response, well.... you may have received a few "clever" points from your comrads.

Nevertheless, I am glad you have agreed with the fact that the "kosovo-people" are not in control of their destiny, this is a reality most haven't been hit with yet--

ICJ SAID- "Well people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied. If Serbia is not satisfied… well, that’s Serbia’s problem"--- BUT you missed the point in which I was making; Are you now truly independant? IF not, then what was the point of all of this?(now your someone elses little b*^ch) IF yes, please poste some sources explaining the self-reliant capabilities Kosovo has for herself.

Are they truly satisfied? Think about it; Kosovo citizens are concidered the poorest in Europe. Kosovo has NO natural resource and insufficient subsistence farming is too common, and reliance on foreign aid is one of the ONLY sources of income for the "nation.

Now inless Kosovo has a booming industry in the "God-knows" sector, she will remain to be the hole that these "freedom-fighters" alongside the USA & NATO have fought for. A hole they have dug for themselves, and selfishly for they're people.

I have posed many questions on this thread, not to seem arrogant, but to seek knowledge. What I have noticed is that most of the posters on the oposite side, dont even bother to prove me or anyone else wrong, they just go off with the emotional outbursts, kicking and screaming about Milosevic, Serbian propaganda, bla bla blaaaa....

Now inless you have some sort of evidence backing the fact that Kosovo is in fact independant, just stop where you are. Now dont jump ahead of yourself and start typing I---C---J.... we already had this debate. First off it was an OPINION, secondly it only stated that DECLARATION was legal, and NOTHING beyond that.

@sj

please dont confuse serbia's special brand of propaganda as diplomacy.

Case in point the incessent rambling about un1244 in regards to eu membership... the EU is not the UN nor is it bound by un1244.

Serb leadership can lie as much as they want to its populace...and serb apologists can swallow it as they wish... but serbia will NEVER see eu membership with kosovo.

yes sj, you seem unable to comprehend the fact that serbia has its hand in its hand... EU membership is not diplomacy, its not a discussion, there is no deal to be cut, no one will ask serbia what it wants... serbia will be told what the eu wants.

Somebody must be naive to think that the EU considers Kosovo part of Serbia...

Just see what the EU itself says or pictures:

http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/others/serbia/index_en.htm

EU membership is not diplomacy, its not a discussion, there is no deal to be cut, no one will ask serbia what it wants... serbia will be told what the eu wants.
(AdamNYC)
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Keen observation AdamNYC, I am impressed.

The EU wants to only take advantage of Serbia's capabilities, and the EU propagandonists are left scratching their little heads because they know the people KNOW.

Why do you think there is so much Anti-EU rhetoric accross Serbia? Any Serb in the right mind would agree with your above statement. Now its time to turn the table around.

The Kosovo situation; Not a diplomatic one, nor a democratic one. The people in "Kosovo" have zero say in anything in regards to ther own politics, thanks to the KLA-bufoons who all sold there people to the USA/EU masters. To put things clear for you; Your destiny is in the hands of others, and not your own.

When will you free yourselves from the chains you soo willingly clasped yourself to? When will you realize that this "fight" for "freedom" will be leaving you with a fight for your life. This is already happening, all over Kosovo. The K-Albs got there so-called "independance" (as you say), yet they cannot wait to leave to go prosper elsewhere. Why is that? Why are Albanians holding on to Serbian passports, if a "legitamit" Kosovo (lol) passport is available?

These are the questions you need to ask yourselves. Stop blaming "propaganda" this method of argument is nothing short of but a weak one and a cowards way-out. Stop blaming the Serbs, you "apparently" got your "independance", now what? Stop blaming Milosevic, let the man rest in peace already.

The EU wants to only take advantage of Serbia's capabilities, and the EU propagandonists are left scratching their little heads because they know the people KNOW. Why do you think there is so much Anti-EU rhetoric accross Serbia? Any Serb in the right mind would agree with your above statement. Now its time to turn the table around.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

Please then convince your fellow Serbs and if those in the “right mind” are the majority then vote the current Serb government out of office and do yourself and others a favor by withdrawing Serbia’s application to join the evil EU.


The Kosovo situation; Not a diplomatic one, nor a democratic one. The people in "Kosovo" have zero say in anything in regards to ther own politics, thanks to the KLA-bufoons who all sold there people to the USA/EU masters. To put things clear for you; Your destiny is in the hands of others, and not your own.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

Well people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied. If Serbia is not satisfied… well, that’s Serbia’s problem.


When will you free yourselves from the chains you soo willingly clasped yourself to? When will you realize that this "fight" for "freedom" will be leaving you with a fight for your life. This is already happening, all over Kosovo. The K-Albs got there so-called "independance" (as you say), yet they cannot wait to leave to go prosper elsewhere. Why is that? Why are Albanians holding on to Serbian passports, if a "legitamit" Kosovo (lol) passport is available?
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

For the same reasons that thousands of people from Serbia cannot wait to leave to go prosper elsewhere as they did as soon as the EU removed the visa requirements for Serbia (at least that’s what Ivica said).


These are the questions you need to ask yourselves. Stop blaming "propaganda" this method of argument is nothing short of but a weak one and a cowards way-out. Stop blaming the Serbs, you "apparently" got your "independance", now what? Stop blaming Milosevic, let the man rest in peace already.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

So, yes, these are questions that people in Serbia need to ask themselves and stop blaming propaganda on the EU for their own problems.

Somebody must be naive to think that the EU considers Kosovo part of Serbia...

Just see what the EU itself says or pictures:

[link]
(icj1)
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I see the picture, or "lack" of it. But where does it say Kosovo is a country?


In fact it is not even on the list.

Somebody must be naive to think that the EU considers Kosovo part of Serbia...

Just see what the EU itself says or pictures:

[link]
(icj1)
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I see the picture, or "lack" of it. But where does it say Kosovo is a country?


In fact it is not even on the list.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 22:50)

Nowhere... my point was that Kosovo is not considered part of Serbia. If we want to call it a country or a blank whole or whatever it's another discussion; it does not change the fact that it is not considered part of Serbia. And by the way, another significant fact; the EU changed that map only after the UDI in 2008 to exclude Kosovo from Serbia.

Very nice responce.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Thank you… as always :)


Nevertheless, I am glad you have agreed with the fact that the "kosovo-people" are not in control of their destiny, this is a reality most haven't been hit with yet—
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Nope, I said “people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied”. Note “Whether they decided that or others”… i.e. the discussion whether they are in control or not is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied with the outcome.


ICJ SAID- "Well people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied. If Serbia is not satisfied… well, that’s Serbia’s problem"--- BUT you missed the point in which I was making; Are you now truly independant? IF not, then what was the point of all of this?(now your someone elses little b*^ch) IF yes, please poste some sources explaining the self-reliant capabilities Kosovo has for herself.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Irrelevant point again. Kosovo is de-facto independent from Serbia. Serbia itself says that UNMIK is in charge whereas the Kosovo government says they are in charge. So nobody is claiming that Serbia is de facto in charge. So we can argue whether Kosovo is de facto independent from UNMIK or any other entity (except Serbia), but there is no dispute that it is de facto independent from Serbia and all parties agree on that.


Are they truly satisfied? Think about it; Kosovo citizens are concidered the poorest in Europe. Kosovo has NO natural resource and insufficient subsistence farming is too common, and reliance on foreign aid is one of the ONLY sources of income for the "nation.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Of course not about the above…. But we were speaking about their status, not economic conditions. They are happy with that, however you want to call the current status. So if Serbia is also satisfied with the current status, I’m not sure what we are arguing about !


Now inless Kosovo has a booming industry in the "God-knows" sector, she will remain to be the hole that these "freedom-fighters" alongside the USA & NATO have fought for. A hole they have dug for themselves, and selfishly for they're people.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Assuming you are correct, not sure if that has anything to do with Kosovo’s status. We can open a different thread if we want to speak about Kosovo’s economic conditions and how they compare with other countries in the region.


I have posed many questions on this thread, not to seem arrogant, but to seek knowledge. What I have noticed is that most of the posters on the oposite side, dont even bother to prove me or anyone else wrong, they just go off with the emotional outbursts, kicking and screaming about Milosevic, Serbian propaganda, bla bla blaaaa....
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Yeah I’ve noticed that from other posters of all sides.


Now inless you have some sort of evidence backing the fact that Kosovo is in fact independant, just stop where you are. Now dont jump ahead of yourself and start typing I---C---J.... we already had this debate. First off it was an OPINION, secondly it only stated that DECLARATION was legal, and NOTHING beyond that.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

First of all, you are a little bit confused, because you start your question with “in fact” independent and then end with the legality which is the “de jure” part and has nothing to do with “in fact”. Anyway I can answer you on both.

Serbia, de facto, cannot make a decision about what happens in Kosovo and it’s been so for 10+ years. Serbia itself agrees on that when it says that UNMIK is in charge. So there is no question that de facto Kosovo is independent from Serbia. We can discuss whether UNMIK or Kosovo’s government is in charge, but there is no question that Serbia is not in charge.

Now, on the “de jure” side… Is Kosovo de jure independent ? To answer that question, we should determine whether the decisions taken by Kosovo’s government or the laws approved by Kosovo’s Assembly independently, i.e. without the approval of UNMIK or Serbia, are legal. And, indeed, they are, because they have as legal basis Kosovo’s Constitution and Kosovo’s Constitution has as legal basis the Declaration of Independence which is legal under international law.

I hope you are now clear on both the “de facto” and “de jure” independence of Kosovo.

How is this good news for Serbia when Kosova is not being discussed as being part of Serbia? How does this not constitute recognizing Kosova as opposed to siting down in a conference where Kosova is also present and then storming out from it because that means recognizing it? You Serbs are some weird people. What I mean is that you yourselves don't know where you stand. First you say you wan't deal or do on anything that doesn't specifically and clearly state that Kosova is part of Serbia. Yet when something comes your way and it clearly leaves this out you're happy to go along with it? Serbia behaves like fickle minded woman.

Looking at the remaining unresolved issues, it appears that Serbia will not enter the EU till approximately 2025.

How is this good news for Serbia when Kosova is not being discussed as being part of Serbia? How does this not constitute recognizing Kosova as opposed to siting down in a conference where Kosova is also present and then storming out from it because that means recognizing it? You Serbs are some weird people. What I mean is that you yourselves don't know where you stand. First you say you wan't deal or do on anything that doesn't specifically and clearly state that Kosova is part of Serbia. Yet when something comes your way and it clearly leaves this out you're happy to go along with it? Serbia behaves like fickle minded woman.
(johny, 24 November 2010 17:30)


What are you talking about? You must be reading a different article on an Albanian website. The EU has NOT recognised Kosovo as independent and as its still an unresolved issue it has to be treated differently.

Please are they any Albos out there that actually know how diplomacy works?

What are you talking about? You must be reading a different article on an Albanian website. The EU has NOT recognised Kosovo as independent and as its still an unresolved issue it has to be treated differently.

Please are they any Albos out there that actually know how diplomacy works?
(sj, 24 November 2010 22:02)

What are you on? Where do you see me saying EU recognizing Kosova? Let me know when you're done ranting and playing the usual Serb stereotype.

Please are they any Albos out there that actually know how diplomacy works?
(sj, 24 November 2010 22:02)
Not Albanian but diplomacy works by we will not force you to say Kosovo is independent as long as you do not insist that it is a Serbian province.
Getting Serbia to discontinue claims on Kosovo, is 3/4s the battle, after that it is just technicalities.

What are you talking about? You must be reading a different article on an Albanian website. The EU has NOT recognised Kosovo as independent and as its still an unresolved issue it has to be treated differently.
(sj, 24 November 2010 22:02)

I think that's precisely what Johny was saying. EU has not recognized Kosovo as independent, but in the same time is not recognizing Kosovo as part of Serbia.

@sj

please dont confuse serbia's special brand of propaganda as diplomacy.

Case in point the incessent rambling about un1244 in regards to eu membership... the EU is not the UN nor is it bound by un1244.

Serb leadership can lie as much as they want to its populace...and serb apologists can swallow it as they wish... but serbia will NEVER see eu membership with kosovo.

yes sj, you seem unable to comprehend the fact that serbia has its hand in its hand... EU membership is not diplomacy, its not a discussion, there is no deal to be cut, no one will ask serbia what it wants... serbia will be told what the eu wants.

Somebody must be naive to think that the EU considers Kosovo part of Serbia...

Just see what the EU itself says or pictures:

http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/others/serbia/index_en.htm

EU membership is not diplomacy, its not a discussion, there is no deal to be cut, no one will ask serbia what it wants... serbia will be told what the eu wants.
(AdamNYC)
-
Keen observation AdamNYC, I am impressed.

The EU wants to only take advantage of Serbia's capabilities, and the EU propagandonists are left scratching their little heads because they know the people KNOW.

Why do you think there is so much Anti-EU rhetoric accross Serbia? Any Serb in the right mind would agree with your above statement. Now its time to turn the table around.

The Kosovo situation; Not a diplomatic one, nor a democratic one. The people in "Kosovo" have zero say in anything in regards to ther own politics, thanks to the KLA-bufoons who all sold there people to the USA/EU masters. To put things clear for you; Your destiny is in the hands of others, and not your own.

When will you free yourselves from the chains you soo willingly clasped yourself to? When will you realize that this "fight" for "freedom" will be leaving you with a fight for your life. This is already happening, all over Kosovo. The K-Albs got there so-called "independance" (as you say), yet they cannot wait to leave to go prosper elsewhere. Why is that? Why are Albanians holding on to Serbian passports, if a "legitamit" Kosovo (lol) passport is available?

These are the questions you need to ask yourselves. Stop blaming "propaganda" this method of argument is nothing short of but a weak one and a cowards way-out. Stop blaming the Serbs, you "apparently" got your "independance", now what? Stop blaming Milosevic, let the man rest in peace already.

The EU wants to only take advantage of Serbia's capabilities, and the EU propagandonists are left scratching their little heads because they know the people KNOW. Why do you think there is so much Anti-EU rhetoric accross Serbia? Any Serb in the right mind would agree with your above statement. Now its time to turn the table around.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

Please then convince your fellow Serbs and if those in the “right mind” are the majority then vote the current Serb government out of office and do yourself and others a favor by withdrawing Serbia’s application to join the evil EU.


The Kosovo situation; Not a diplomatic one, nor a democratic one. The people in "Kosovo" have zero say in anything in regards to ther own politics, thanks to the KLA-bufoons who all sold there people to the USA/EU masters. To put things clear for you; Your destiny is in the hands of others, and not your own.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

Well people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied. If Serbia is not satisfied… well, that’s Serbia’s problem.


When will you free yourselves from the chains you soo willingly clasped yourself to? When will you realize that this "fight" for "freedom" will be leaving you with a fight for your life. This is already happening, all over Kosovo. The K-Albs got there so-called "independance" (as you say), yet they cannot wait to leave to go prosper elsewhere. Why is that? Why are Albanians holding on to Serbian passports, if a "legitamit" Kosovo (lol) passport is available?
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

For the same reasons that thousands of people from Serbia cannot wait to leave to go prosper elsewhere as they did as soon as the EU removed the visa requirements for Serbia (at least that’s what Ivica said).


These are the questions you need to ask yourselves. Stop blaming "propaganda" this method of argument is nothing short of but a weak one and a cowards way-out. Stop blaming the Serbs, you "apparently" got your "independance", now what? Stop blaming Milosevic, let the man rest in peace already.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 01:28)

So, yes, these are questions that people in Serbia need to ask themselves and stop blaming propaganda on the EU for their own problems.

@ ICJ
-
Very nice responce. Although you really didn't rebudle at all, all you did was reverse what I was implying, and by the structure of the response, well.... you may have received a few "clever" points from your comrads.

Nevertheless, I am glad you have agreed with the fact that the "kosovo-people" are not in control of their destiny, this is a reality most haven't been hit with yet--

ICJ SAID- "Well people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied. If Serbia is not satisfied… well, that’s Serbia’s problem"--- BUT you missed the point in which I was making; Are you now truly independant? IF not, then what was the point of all of this?(now your someone elses little b*^ch) IF yes, please poste some sources explaining the self-reliant capabilities Kosovo has for herself.

Are they truly satisfied? Think about it; Kosovo citizens are concidered the poorest in Europe. Kosovo has NO natural resource and insufficient subsistence farming is too common, and reliance on foreign aid is one of the ONLY sources of income for the "nation.

Now inless Kosovo has a booming industry in the "God-knows" sector, she will remain to be the hole that these "freedom-fighters" alongside the USA & NATO have fought for. A hole they have dug for themselves, and selfishly for they're people.

I have posed many questions on this thread, not to seem arrogant, but to seek knowledge. What I have noticed is that most of the posters on the oposite side, dont even bother to prove me or anyone else wrong, they just go off with the emotional outbursts, kicking and screaming about Milosevic, Serbian propaganda, bla bla blaaaa....

Now inless you have some sort of evidence backing the fact that Kosovo is in fact independant, just stop where you are. Now dont jump ahead of yourself and start typing I---C---J.... we already had this debate. First off it was an OPINION, secondly it only stated that DECLARATION was legal, and NOTHING beyond that.

Somebody must be naive to think that the EU considers Kosovo part of Serbia...

Just see what the EU itself says or pictures:

[link]
(icj1)
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I see the picture, or "lack" of it. But where does it say Kosovo is a country?


In fact it is not even on the list.

Somebody must be naive to think that the EU considers Kosovo part of Serbia...

Just see what the EU itself says or pictures:

[link]
(icj1)
-
I see the picture, or "lack" of it. But where does it say Kosovo is a country?


In fact it is not even on the list.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 22:50)

Nowhere... my point was that Kosovo is not considered part of Serbia. If we want to call it a country or a blank whole or whatever it's another discussion; it does not change the fact that it is not considered part of Serbia. And by the way, another significant fact; the EU changed that map only after the UDI in 2008 to exclude Kosovo from Serbia.

Very nice responce.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Thank you… as always :)


Nevertheless, I am glad you have agreed with the fact that the "kosovo-people" are not in control of their destiny, this is a reality most haven't been hit with yet—
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Nope, I said “people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied”. Note “Whether they decided that or others”… i.e. the discussion whether they are in control or not is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied with the outcome.


ICJ SAID- "Well people there are satisfied with that destiny since it means being independent from Serbia. Whether they decided that or others for them is irrelevant as far as they are satisfied. If Serbia is not satisfied… well, that’s Serbia’s problem"--- BUT you missed the point in which I was making; Are you now truly independant? IF not, then what was the point of all of this?(now your someone elses little b*^ch) IF yes, please poste some sources explaining the self-reliant capabilities Kosovo has for herself.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Irrelevant point again. Kosovo is de-facto independent from Serbia. Serbia itself says that UNMIK is in charge whereas the Kosovo government says they are in charge. So nobody is claiming that Serbia is de facto in charge. So we can argue whether Kosovo is de facto independent from UNMIK or any other entity (except Serbia), but there is no dispute that it is de facto independent from Serbia and all parties agree on that.


Are they truly satisfied? Think about it; Kosovo citizens are concidered the poorest in Europe. Kosovo has NO natural resource and insufficient subsistence farming is too common, and reliance on foreign aid is one of the ONLY sources of income for the "nation.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Of course not about the above…. But we were speaking about their status, not economic conditions. They are happy with that, however you want to call the current status. So if Serbia is also satisfied with the current status, I’m not sure what we are arguing about !


Now inless Kosovo has a booming industry in the "God-knows" sector, she will remain to be the hole that these "freedom-fighters" alongside the USA & NATO have fought for. A hole they have dug for themselves, and selfishly for they're people.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Assuming you are correct, not sure if that has anything to do with Kosovo’s status. We can open a different thread if we want to speak about Kosovo’s economic conditions and how they compare with other countries in the region.


I have posed many questions on this thread, not to seem arrogant, but to seek knowledge. What I have noticed is that most of the posters on the oposite side, dont even bother to prove me or anyone else wrong, they just go off with the emotional outbursts, kicking and screaming about Milosevic, Serbian propaganda, bla bla blaaaa....
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

Yeah I’ve noticed that from other posters of all sides.


Now inless you have some sort of evidence backing the fact that Kosovo is in fact independant, just stop where you are. Now dont jump ahead of yourself and start typing I---C---J.... we already had this debate. First off it was an OPINION, secondly it only stated that DECLARATION was legal, and NOTHING beyond that.
(trudsaam, 28 November 2010 19:43)

First of all, you are a little bit confused, because you start your question with “in fact” independent and then end with the legality which is the “de jure” part and has nothing to do with “in fact”. Anyway I can answer you on both.

Serbia, de facto, cannot make a decision about what happens in Kosovo and it’s been so for 10+ years. Serbia itself agrees on that when it says that UNMIK is in charge. So there is no question that de facto Kosovo is independent from Serbia. We can discuss whether UNMIK or Kosovo’s government is in charge, but there is no question that Serbia is not in charge.

Now, on the “de jure” side… Is Kosovo de jure independent ? To answer that question, we should determine whether the decisions taken by Kosovo’s government or the laws approved by Kosovo’s Assembly independently, i.e. without the approval of UNMIK or Serbia, are legal. And, indeed, they are, because they have as legal basis Kosovo’s Constitution and Kosovo’s Constitution has as legal basis the Declaration of Independence which is legal under international law.

I hope you are now clear on both the “de facto” and “de jure” independence of Kosovo.