Bishop's followers in Kosovo monasteries

You hope. Better worry about the two rival Muftis in Serbia. That seems more serious.
(Peggy, 19 November 2010 13:53)

Peggy, give us one single reason (no matter how far fetched it might be) why should we worry about the two rival Muftis (or whatever/whoever you are referring to) in “Serbia” (Read: "Serbia")?
Do you ever read what you post?

(Jovan, 19 November 2010 14:18)

Here we go again with the usual Jovan style assumptions.
So Jovan, you must be 100% confident that every Albanian (including Agim Kelmendi) is Muslim to put comment as you did.
Also, you must be 100% confident that we (Albanians) actually care what an “Arab Academic writer” (Hamad something) predicts.
So, in your short hypothesis you use two assumptions and one prediction.
Very scientific approach given to the subject!
Bravo!!

One more note:
Please avoid using sentences such as “my dear k-albanian friend”.
We both know that we are not dear to each other, we definitely are not friends and you definitely don’t mean it when you say that.

No, Highduke. I don't have time for that. It was probably my colleagues here. Not all foreign agents are the same, you know.

Slowly but surely, Serb orthodox church is falling apart just like the old Yugo.

It's that easy, isn't it, highduke?

Everything that happens in the Serbia that doesn't fit your hyper-narrow view of how things should be is easily explained away by "controlled by foreign powers"

*noted*

slowly but surely, my dear kelmendi, your anti-serb-feelings are beginning to fool you. =)

in the very same moment you are phantasizing about the orthodox church falling apart, an arab academic and writer, Hamad Abdel-Samad, is predicting that Islam as a culture is doomed to perish.

so, who will be right on this here... your wishful thinking, or the egyptian academic?

my dear k-albanian friend, your hatred only harms yourself.

who knows how much time will pass by until you finally realize that.

Slowly but surely, Serb orthodox church is falling apart just like the old Yugo.
(Agim Kelmendi, 19 November 2010 12:44)
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You hope. Better worry about the two rival Muftis in Serbia. That seems more serious.

@KU

It's already happening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd22fNNZg14

:)

"..Artemije came to the monastery last night unannounced "together with a group of runaway monks and a group of activists..."

what great movie this would make: "the runaway monks". Shaolin style in Raska-Prizren.

KU
Kung Fu Fighter,
Hong Kong

This whole situation is truly a shame for the Serbian people and especially the SPC. Having met Vladika Artemija a number of times, I can tell you that he is probably one of the most pious and deeply religious clergy that we have in the SPC. He is being unmercifully "crucified" by Western influence and politics....and by a Holy Synod and bishops who are trying to appease the Western powers, by sacrificing the sanctity and independence of the Serbian Church. Bishop Artemija was "removed" from Gracanica for strictly political reasons- the West did not want such a fervant and religious Serbian cleric to be active and "unchecked" within "independent" Kosovo, as the Holy Bishop refused to accept Kosovo as not being part of Serbia. Vladika Artemija was only doing exactly what all of his predecessors have done before him- peacefully accepting the presence of Albanians within Kosovo....but refusing to accept Kosovo as an independent state outside of Serbia- as most of the countries of the world realize.
Canonically, Vladika Artemija has strictly adhered to all Church laws, practices and traditions. His only "fault" is that he refuses to "cuti i trpi" and to accept Western politics over the Church. And for this, a great man and leader of the SPC is being malaligned and foresaken. Such a tragedy. Perhaps certain bishops and clergy will wake up and defend this persecuted Bishop, before more damage and separation occurs within our Holy Church.

It is time to reorganise the church for Kosovo and make the independet or Autocephalous Orthodox Church of KiM. This will be in line with the new country and constitution in Kosovo. This will not negatively influence the peace and reconciliation everybodody is preaching incl. the Serbian Church.

a retired bishop has every right to serve Holy Liturgy.

When a church is not united, how do you want a people to be united?

A frailed old man is defying Belgrade and its establishment, now just imagen what 2 mil Albos can do to Serbia!?

@Ликота

The SOC has prohibited Artemije from serving liturgy and they have every right to do so (as does any organization have the right to dictate what happens on its property).

Hey 'Danilo' dont you feel like a loser when you make it obvious that you're manipulating IPs to repeatedly rate your own comments positively because it's obvious when there's such a huge discrepancy between earlier and (your) later comments?

Do you ever read what you post?
(Gjergj Fishta, 19 November 2010 14:31)

Do you ever read what she posts?

The SPC has faced greater threats than a couple of renegade bishops and only those with ZERO understanding would get excited at this. Either way Artemije & Grigorije work for the same foreign powers.

"Everything that happens in the Serbia that doesn't fit your hyper-narrow view of how things should be is easily explained away by "controlled by foreign powers"

*noted*
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 16:35) "

He may be onto something, Danilo - Danas reports that the Russian Ambassador received Artemije yesterday. What did he offer - support, or a comfortable retirement if things didn't work out?

here we go again albanians and serbians one says we are better than you the other say we are better,how abut this we are both grate in our individual way.can somebody tell me hwo is surprised to heare that we albanians are in favor of a unified albania?and hwo is surprised to here that the serbs are not happy to heare that? now the problem is here, we all know very well that for our cuntrys iterest is to be pease in the region, there can not happy serbians or albanians in a big cuntry but no prosperity, so lets love our cuntrys and be patriots but not extrem natinalism as we have seen what it has broght around the world. i wish to all albanians and serbs all the best and a happy future.

No, Highduke. I don't have time for that. It was probably my colleagues here. Not all foreign agents are the same, you know.
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 22:27)

I don't know.. Danilo- male signature and girlish comments.. My ability to perceive odors shows nothing good here. Are you related to any Roberto? (..didn't said Frisco- yet..)

Its the narrow view of 15 000 000 SPC followers who follow The Patriarch. But yeah, Grigorije's pro-Gay pro-UDI comments and Artemije's departure from standard 1000-YEAR OLD cannonical & lithurgical practices coinciding together on the eve of re-integration talks are evidence of typical failed foreign meddling with ZERO popular support outside of 40 clergy, making it destined to fail. But I encourage attacks on the SPC, as they are bound to fail and give the SPC another victory

I have to admit that I like my cycles. When the churches united recently, Serbians were split into different countries but when the church split prior to that, all Serbians were united in the same country. Perhaps we are heading in that direction again?

The SOC has prohibited Artemije from serving liturgy and they have every right to do so (as does any organization have the right to dictate what happens on its property).
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 15:33)
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Why do you Albanians care so much about what happens to the Serbian church?
Perhaps you just want to rejoice in the demise of the church?
News for you, there is no demise so you can cancel the party and the balloons.

Do you ever read what you post?
(Gjergj Fishta, 19 November 2010 14:31)
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Sure I do. Seeing how you hate Serbs and anything Serbian including the religion I can't see any reason why you should waste a second of your life commenting on what happens, unless you are rejoicing in the prospect of the church going down. It really doesn't affect you but muftis fighting it out does affect you, so I suggest you turn your attention to that. Reason enough for you?

Of course not. Some of them are obviously tormented by an identity crisis.
(lowe, 21 November 2010 06:22)

Or not. Watch the given cards again and kick this guy out, finally. You are right, do not go wide now.

Yeah sure, you dont have time to click. Even Albanians dont rate such baseless comments, plus you've obviously done it before plus you have a fixation on me and you're biased enough to do something that pathetic. Whatevah. It's yet another failed thread for you.

"No, Highduke. I don't have time for that. It was probably my colleagues here. Not all foreign agents are the same, you know.
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 22:27) "

Of course not. Some of them are obviously tormented by an identity crisis.

Slowly but surely, Serb orthodox church is falling apart just like the old Yugo.

Slowly but surely, Serb orthodox church is falling apart just like the old Yugo.
(Agim Kelmendi, 19 November 2010 12:44)
===================

You hope. Better worry about the two rival Muftis in Serbia. That seems more serious.

slowly but surely, my dear kelmendi, your anti-serb-feelings are beginning to fool you. =)

in the very same moment you are phantasizing about the orthodox church falling apart, an arab academic and writer, Hamad Abdel-Samad, is predicting that Islam as a culture is doomed to perish.

so, who will be right on this here... your wishful thinking, or the egyptian academic?

my dear k-albanian friend, your hatred only harms yourself.

who knows how much time will pass by until you finally realize that.

You hope. Better worry about the two rival Muftis in Serbia. That seems more serious.
(Peggy, 19 November 2010 13:53)

Peggy, give us one single reason (no matter how far fetched it might be) why should we worry about the two rival Muftis (or whatever/whoever you are referring to) in “Serbia” (Read: "Serbia")?
Do you ever read what you post?

The SPC has faced greater threats than a couple of renegade bishops and only those with ZERO understanding would get excited at this. Either way Artemije & Grigorije work for the same foreign powers.

(Jovan, 19 November 2010 14:18)

Here we go again with the usual Jovan style assumptions.
So Jovan, you must be 100% confident that every Albanian (including Agim Kelmendi) is Muslim to put comment as you did.
Also, you must be 100% confident that we (Albanians) actually care what an “Arab Academic writer” (Hamad something) predicts.
So, in your short hypothesis you use two assumptions and one prediction.
Very scientific approach given to the subject!
Bravo!!

One more note:
Please avoid using sentences such as “my dear k-albanian friend”.
We both know that we are not dear to each other, we definitely are not friends and you definitely don’t mean it when you say that.

A frailed old man is defying Belgrade and its establishment, now just imagen what 2 mil Albos can do to Serbia!?

Its the narrow view of 15 000 000 SPC followers who follow The Patriarch. But yeah, Grigorije's pro-Gay pro-UDI comments and Artemije's departure from standard 1000-YEAR OLD cannonical & lithurgical practices coinciding together on the eve of re-integration talks are evidence of typical failed foreign meddling with ZERO popular support outside of 40 clergy, making it destined to fail. But I encourage attacks on the SPC, as they are bound to fail and give the SPC another victory

It is time to reorganise the church for Kosovo and make the independet or Autocephalous Orthodox Church of KiM. This will be in line with the new country and constitution in Kosovo. This will not negatively influence the peace and reconciliation everybodody is preaching incl. the Serbian Church.

a retired bishop has every right to serve Holy Liturgy.

Hey 'Danilo' dont you feel like a loser when you make it obvious that you're manipulating IPs to repeatedly rate your own comments positively because it's obvious when there's such a huge discrepancy between earlier and (your) later comments?

It's that easy, isn't it, highduke?

Everything that happens in the Serbia that doesn't fit your hyper-narrow view of how things should be is easily explained away by "controlled by foreign powers"

*noted*

@Ликота

The SOC has prohibited Artemije from serving liturgy and they have every right to do so (as does any organization have the right to dictate what happens on its property).

@KU

It's already happening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd22fNNZg14

:)

No, Highduke. I don't have time for that. It was probably my colleagues here. Not all foreign agents are the same, you know.

When a church is not united, how do you want a people to be united?

This whole situation is truly a shame for the Serbian people and especially the SPC. Having met Vladika Artemija a number of times, I can tell you that he is probably one of the most pious and deeply religious clergy that we have in the SPC. He is being unmercifully "crucified" by Western influence and politics....and by a Holy Synod and bishops who are trying to appease the Western powers, by sacrificing the sanctity and independence of the Serbian Church. Bishop Artemija was "removed" from Gracanica for strictly political reasons- the West did not want such a fervant and religious Serbian cleric to be active and "unchecked" within "independent" Kosovo, as the Holy Bishop refused to accept Kosovo as not being part of Serbia. Vladika Artemija was only doing exactly what all of his predecessors have done before him- peacefully accepting the presence of Albanians within Kosovo....but refusing to accept Kosovo as an independent state outside of Serbia- as most of the countries of the world realize.
Canonically, Vladika Artemija has strictly adhered to all Church laws, practices and traditions. His only "fault" is that he refuses to "cuti i trpi" and to accept Western politics over the Church. And for this, a great man and leader of the SPC is being malaligned and foresaken. Such a tragedy. Perhaps certain bishops and clergy will wake up and defend this persecuted Bishop, before more damage and separation occurs within our Holy Church.

The SOC has prohibited Artemije from serving liturgy and they have every right to do so (as does any organization have the right to dictate what happens on its property).
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 15:33)
====================

Why do you Albanians care so much about what happens to the Serbian church?
Perhaps you just want to rejoice in the demise of the church?
News for you, there is no demise so you can cancel the party and the balloons.

I have to admit that I like my cycles. When the churches united recently, Serbians were split into different countries but when the church split prior to that, all Serbians were united in the same country. Perhaps we are heading in that direction again?

Do you ever read what you post?
(Gjergj Fishta, 19 November 2010 14:31)

Do you ever read what she posts?

"..Artemije came to the monastery last night unannounced "together with a group of runaway monks and a group of activists..."

what great movie this would make: "the runaway monks". Shaolin style in Raska-Prizren.

KU
Kung Fu Fighter,
Hong Kong

Do you ever read what you post?
(Gjergj Fishta, 19 November 2010 14:31)
===================

Sure I do. Seeing how you hate Serbs and anything Serbian including the religion I can't see any reason why you should waste a second of your life commenting on what happens, unless you are rejoicing in the prospect of the church going down. It really doesn't affect you but muftis fighting it out does affect you, so I suggest you turn your attention to that. Reason enough for you?

"Everything that happens in the Serbia that doesn't fit your hyper-narrow view of how things should be is easily explained away by "controlled by foreign powers"

*noted*
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 16:35) "

He may be onto something, Danilo - Danas reports that the Russian Ambassador received Artemije yesterday. What did he offer - support, or a comfortable retirement if things didn't work out?

here we go again albanians and serbians one says we are better than you the other say we are better,how abut this we are both grate in our individual way.can somebody tell me hwo is surprised to heare that we albanians are in favor of a unified albania?and hwo is surprised to here that the serbs are not happy to heare that? now the problem is here, we all know very well that for our cuntrys iterest is to be pease in the region, there can not happy serbians or albanians in a big cuntry but no prosperity, so lets love our cuntrys and be patriots but not extrem natinalism as we have seen what it has broght around the world. i wish to all albanians and serbs all the best and a happy future.

Yeah sure, you dont have time to click. Even Albanians dont rate such baseless comments, plus you've obviously done it before plus you have a fixation on me and you're biased enough to do something that pathetic. Whatevah. It's yet another failed thread for you.

"No, Highduke. I don't have time for that. It was probably my colleagues here. Not all foreign agents are the same, you know.
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 22:27) "

Of course not. Some of them are obviously tormented by an identity crisis.

No, Highduke. I don't have time for that. It was probably my colleagues here. Not all foreign agents are the same, you know.
(Danilo, 19 November 2010 22:27)

I don't know.. Danilo- male signature and girlish comments.. My ability to perceive odors shows nothing good here. Are you related to any Roberto? (..didn't said Frisco- yet..)

Of course not. Some of them are obviously tormented by an identity crisis.
(lowe, 21 November 2010 06:22)

Or not. Watch the given cards again and kick this guy out, finally. You are right, do not go wide now.