The percentage of the people in Serbia who think it would be good for their country to join the EU has dropped from 50 to 44 percent over the last year.
As Ireland collapses, Greece collapsed and Spain begins to collapse, the EU is for fools. Germany and others will leave before Serbia ever joins so give up this joke now.
"And here we start again,
If the stupid politicians of the 90's kept Yugoslavia as one country and if Albania became part of YU all the western balkan country's would have been in EU by now And that would be the best for everyone , no war but Cooperation."
-- This logic is flawed. If you think you got problems from Kosova Albanians, you'd be wishing Albanians did not even exist in this world if Albania actually joined in.( Maybe you actually do but whatever). Jugoslavia would be dissolved within the year. It would have never make it as long as it made it.
Also your logic is flawed because if your own brothers wanted out as late as 3 years ago; if people who speak the same language and have the same customs as you wanted out in the 90's, what makes you actually think that someone as foreign in language and customs and as aggressive towards Serb rule would be ok with it.
@Ment, thanks. I didn't know that Lisbon introduced an exit clause. I got my info from the Irish documentary "End of Nations" and that film was made before the Lisbon Treaty.
but then again, who is really at fault, the hate-perpetrator(s) or those who ALways facilitate them? think about it.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 18 November 2010 05:02)
I find a lot of highduke's stuff foolish in the extreme. but for you of all people to call someone a "hate-perpetrator" shows either an advanced sense of irony or a total lack of self-awareness. I suspect the latter.
-- I never said EU-membership is unpatriotic and against national interests nor does the political scene in Serbia imply..-- bla bla bla.
i'm sick of yr homophobia and nauseating right-wing rhetoric. you may represent some extremely conservative and hateful serbs, but not "all." at any rate, yr vicious homophobia and incessant personal attacks have no place here.
but then again, who is really at fault, the hate-perpetrator(s) or those who ALways facilitate them? think about it.
Please do us and yourself a favour and do not join the EU.
(Hruz, 17 November 2010 18:54)
Hruz,
You ow me an explanation than, what made you happier since Hungary joined E.U.
I can testify - the only thing what made me happier is that *** hopefully *** some anti-constitutional moves of O.V. can be over-ruled by Strasbourg. But that's merely HOPEFULLY.
No other benefit, only pain in the a*s, and more importantly: pain in the valet. Regardless, are they thieves from MSZP, thieves from FIDESZ, neo-libsi LMP or neo-nazi nuts of JOBBIK. Which one is your choice? Mine? Given these choices I don't vote by intent.
And here we start again,
If the stupid politicians of the 90's kept Yugoslavia as one country and if Albania became part of YU all the western balkan country's would have been in EU by now And that would be the best for everyone , no war but Cooperation.But it isn't too late, it can still be possible,
The western Balkan countries need to become better country's for themselves, and to do that is the need of new politicians who care for their country and try to make their country better and not taking peoples money in to their pocket!
(Sadly that's now happing in the western Balkans)
1000 in Serbia. I wonder how many of those are actually Orthodox Serbs and which area they come from.
How the question was asked and age of the people polled is also important.
Polls can be manipulated simply by those things I mentioned so I really don't take any notice of polls.
How about Serbs go to a referendum and be asked if they wish to join EU if recognizing Kosovo is required and if they wish to join EU at all.
Haha, since when did joining EU become "voluntary"? The EU has forced country after country to join. In Sweden a majority were against joining EU one week before the referendum and in the last week there were major irregularities.
In the 15 years that passed after the referendum support for EU has NEVER gone above 50%. Sweden was tricked into giving up it's sovereignty by politicians without scruples or principles.
The EU is a prison of nations. Once you are in there is no way out. Even if 99% of the population wants to leave the EU there is no way to do it. There are only rules for joining. The rules for leaving are simply not there. After you join you're not supposed to leave. Leaving Yugoslavia was a piece of cake compared to the struggles that would be required for leaving EU.
huh? all I did was point out that something you stated is incorrect.
You stated "Most pro-EU/NATO sentiment is held by minorities"
But, most it is, in fact, held by Serbs (seeing as 63% of people polled would vote for EU and 15% of Serbia is comprised of minorities according to the last census)
What part of that are you having trouble with? The 63-15 part?
As far as the EU goes, I think Albania, Kosovo, Serbia, and the rest of the West Balkans countries joining the EU is a good idea in the medium/long term...but for now, none of us are ready. For our own sakes, we should not get anywhere close to the EU without solidly addressing problems like corruption, ethnic nationalism, and absence of the rule of law first. Otherwise we risk being in the position of Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and Slovakia...countries with similar problems to the West Balkans but no outside stick to force them to change their ways.
For now, I think a "privileged status", in terms of trade and infrastructure with the EU would be good enough for all western Balkans countries.
In the mean time, the EU can focus on sorting out its own internal issues (finance, fisheries, agricultural policies and what not).
'Danilo' I never said EU-membership is unpatriotic and against national interests nor does the political scene in Serbia imply this at all nor have I recently. Thanks again for discrediting yourself by making dumb statements just to get my attention. You admitted to being openly gay during the parade fiasco, so I hope your trolling of my posts here doesn't underly anything but criticism from a Gay perspective doesnt fly with Serbs
That is interesting. Anti EU sentiments in Western Europe run high lately. Could be that people of the Balkans might be one day more enthusiastic about the EU than people in Western Europe.
The title says it all: we Serbs are a healthy nation. Most pro-EU/NATO sentiment is held by minorities, not ethnic Serbs. We Serbs wont give up our control of the country, our traditional family values, the Holy Orthodox faith and the Serb Jerusalem KiM for The West's Materialism. Be proud and let the foreigners overcome their destructive jelaousy as they watch & learn how a successful ethnicity defends its collective interest CCCC
The title says it all: we Serbs are a healthy nation. Most pro-EU/NATO sentiment is held by minorities, not ethnic Serbs. We Serbs wont give up our control of the country, our traditional family values, the Holy Orthodox faith and the Serb Jerusalem KiM for The West's Materialism. Be proud and let the foreigners overcome their destructive jelaousy as they watch & learn how a successful ethnicity defends its collective interest CCCC
1000 in Serbia. I wonder how many of those are actually Orthodox Serbs and which area they come from.
How the question was asked and age of the people polled is also important.
Polls can be manipulated simply by those things I mentioned so I really don't take any notice of polls.
How about Serbs go to a referendum and be asked if they wish to join EU if recognizing Kosovo is required and if they wish to join EU at all.
'Danilo' I never said EU-membership is unpatriotic and against national interests nor does the political scene in Serbia imply this at all nor have I recently. Thanks again for discrediting yourself by making dumb statements just to get my attention. You admitted to being openly gay during the parade fiasco, so I hope your trolling of my posts here doesn't underly anything but criticism from a Gay perspective doesnt fly with Serbs
but then again, who is really at fault, the hate-perpetrator(s) or those who ALways facilitate them? think about it.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 18 November 2010 05:02)
I find a lot of highduke's stuff foolish in the extreme. but for you of all people to call someone a "hate-perpetrator" shows either an advanced sense of irony or a total lack of self-awareness. I suspect the latter.
That is interesting. Anti EU sentiments in Western Europe run high lately. Could be that people of the Balkans might be one day more enthusiastic about the EU than people in Western Europe.
Haha, since when did joining EU become "voluntary"? The EU has forced country after country to join. In Sweden a majority were against joining EU one week before the referendum and in the last week there were major irregularities.
In the 15 years that passed after the referendum support for EU has NEVER gone above 50%. Sweden was tricked into giving up it's sovereignty by politicians without scruples or principles.
The EU is a prison of nations. Once you are in there is no way out. Even if 99% of the population wants to leave the EU there is no way to do it. There are only rules for joining. The rules for leaving are simply not there. After you join you're not supposed to leave. Leaving Yugoslavia was a piece of cake compared to the struggles that would be required for leaving EU.
huh? all I did was point out that something you stated is incorrect.
You stated "Most pro-EU/NATO sentiment is held by minorities"
But, most it is, in fact, held by Serbs (seeing as 63% of people polled would vote for EU and 15% of Serbia is comprised of minorities according to the last census)
What part of that are you having trouble with? The 63-15 part?
-- I never said EU-membership is unpatriotic and against national interests nor does the political scene in Serbia imply..-- bla bla bla.
i'm sick of yr homophobia and nauseating right-wing rhetoric. you may represent some extremely conservative and hateful serbs, but not "all." at any rate, yr vicious homophobia and incessant personal attacks have no place here.
but then again, who is really at fault, the hate-perpetrator(s) or those who ALways facilitate them? think about it.
As far as the EU goes, I think Albania, Kosovo, Serbia, and the rest of the West Balkans countries joining the EU is a good idea in the medium/long term...but for now, none of us are ready. For our own sakes, we should not get anywhere close to the EU without solidly addressing problems like corruption, ethnic nationalism, and absence of the rule of law first. Otherwise we risk being in the position of Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and Slovakia...countries with similar problems to the West Balkans but no outside stick to force them to change their ways.
For now, I think a "privileged status", in terms of trade and infrastructure with the EU would be good enough for all western Balkans countries.
In the mean time, the EU can focus on sorting out its own internal issues (finance, fisheries, agricultural policies and what not).
As Ireland collapses, Greece collapsed and Spain begins to collapse, the EU is for fools. Germany and others will leave before Serbia ever joins so give up this joke now.
"And here we start again,
If the stupid politicians of the 90's kept Yugoslavia as one country and if Albania became part of YU all the western balkan country's would have been in EU by now And that would be the best for everyone , no war but Cooperation."
-- This logic is flawed. If you think you got problems from Kosova Albanians, you'd be wishing Albanians did not even exist in this world if Albania actually joined in.( Maybe you actually do but whatever). Jugoslavia would be dissolved within the year. It would have never make it as long as it made it.
Also your logic is flawed because if your own brothers wanted out as late as 3 years ago; if people who speak the same language and have the same customs as you wanted out in the 90's, what makes you actually think that someone as foreign in language and customs and as aggressive towards Serb rule would be ok with it.
And here we start again,
If the stupid politicians of the 90's kept Yugoslavia as one country and if Albania became part of YU all the western balkan country's would have been in EU by now And that would be the best for everyone , no war but Cooperation.But it isn't too late, it can still be possible,
The western Balkan countries need to become better country's for themselves, and to do that is the need of new politicians who care for their country and try to make their country better and not taking peoples money in to their pocket!
(Sadly that's now happing in the western Balkans)
Please do us and yourself a favour and do not join the EU.
(Hruz, 17 November 2010 18:54)
Hruz,
You ow me an explanation than, what made you happier since Hungary joined E.U.
I can testify - the only thing what made me happier is that *** hopefully *** some anti-constitutional moves of O.V. can be over-ruled by Strasbourg. But that's merely HOPEFULLY.
No other benefit, only pain in the a*s, and more importantly: pain in the valet. Regardless, are they thieves from MSZP, thieves from FIDESZ, neo-libsi LMP or neo-nazi nuts of JOBBIK. Which one is your choice? Mine? Given these choices I don't vote by intent.
@Ment, thanks. I didn't know that Lisbon introduced an exit clause. I got my info from the Irish documentary "End of Nations" and that film was made before the Lisbon Treaty.
The title says it all: we Serbs are a healthy nation. Most pro-EU/NATO sentiment is held by minorities, not ethnic Serbs. We Serbs wont give up our control of the country, our traditional family values, the Holy Orthodox faith and the Serb Jerusalem KiM for The West's Materialism. Be proud and let the foreigners overcome their destructive jelaousy as they watch & learn how a successful ethnicity defends its collective interest CCCC
-- I never said EU-membership is unpatriotic and against national interests nor does the political scene in Serbia imply..-- bla bla bla.
i'm sick of yr homophobia and nauseating right-wing rhetoric. you may represent some extremely conservative and hateful serbs, but not "all." at any rate, yr vicious homophobia and incessant personal attacks have no place here.
but then again, who is really at fault, the hate-perpetrator(s) or those who ALways facilitate them? think about it.
'Danilo' I never said EU-membership is unpatriotic and against national interests nor does the political scene in Serbia imply this at all nor have I recently. Thanks again for discrediting yourself by making dumb statements just to get my attention. You admitted to being openly gay during the parade fiasco, so I hope your trolling of my posts here doesn't underly anything but criticism from a Gay perspective doesnt fly with Serbs
huh? all I did was point out that something you stated is incorrect.
You stated "Most pro-EU/NATO sentiment is held by minorities"
But, most it is, in fact, held by Serbs (seeing as 63% of people polled would vote for EU and 15% of Serbia is comprised of minorities according to the last census)
What part of that are you having trouble with? The 63-15 part?
As far as the EU goes, I think Albania, Kosovo, Serbia, and the rest of the West Balkans countries joining the EU is a good idea in the medium/long term...but for now, none of us are ready. For our own sakes, we should not get anywhere close to the EU without solidly addressing problems like corruption, ethnic nationalism, and absence of the rule of law first. Otherwise we risk being in the position of Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and Slovakia...countries with similar problems to the West Balkans but no outside stick to force them to change their ways.
For now, I think a "privileged status", in terms of trade and infrastructure with the EU would be good enough for all western Balkans countries.
In the mean time, the EU can focus on sorting out its own internal issues (finance, fisheries, agricultural policies and what not).
1000 in Serbia. I wonder how many of those are actually Orthodox Serbs and which area they come from.
How the question was asked and age of the people polled is also important.
Polls can be manipulated simply by those things I mentioned so I really don't take any notice of polls.
How about Serbs go to a referendum and be asked if they wish to join EU if recognizing Kosovo is required and if they wish to join EU at all.
Haha, since when did joining EU become "voluntary"? The EU has forced country after country to join. In Sweden a majority were against joining EU one week before the referendum and in the last week there were major irregularities.
In the 15 years that passed after the referendum support for EU has NEVER gone above 50%. Sweden was tricked into giving up it's sovereignty by politicians without scruples or principles.
The EU is a prison of nations. Once you are in there is no way out. Even if 99% of the population wants to leave the EU there is no way to do it. There are only rules for joining. The rules for leaving are simply not there. After you join you're not supposed to leave. Leaving Yugoslavia was a piece of cake compared to the struggles that would be required for leaving EU.
And here we start again,
If the stupid politicians of the 90's kept Yugoslavia as one country and if Albania became part of YU all the western balkan country's would have been in EU by now And that would be the best for everyone , no war but Cooperation.But it isn't too late, it can still be possible,
The western Balkan countries need to become better country's for themselves, and to do that is the need of new politicians who care for their country and try to make their country better and not taking peoples money in to their pocket!
(Sadly that's now happing in the western Balkans)
but then again, who is really at fault, the hate-perpetrator(s) or those who ALways facilitate them? think about it.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 18 November 2010 05:02)
I find a lot of highduke's stuff foolish in the extreme. but for you of all people to call someone a "hate-perpetrator" shows either an advanced sense of irony or a total lack of self-awareness. I suspect the latter.
"And here we start again,
If the stupid politicians of the 90's kept Yugoslavia as one country and if Albania became part of YU all the western balkan country's would have been in EU by now And that would be the best for everyone , no war but Cooperation."
-- This logic is flawed. If you think you got problems from Kosova Albanians, you'd be wishing Albanians did not even exist in this world if Albania actually joined in.( Maybe you actually do but whatever). Jugoslavia would be dissolved within the year. It would have never make it as long as it made it.
Also your logic is flawed because if your own brothers wanted out as late as 3 years ago; if people who speak the same language and have the same customs as you wanted out in the 90's, what makes you actually think that someone as foreign in language and customs and as aggressive towards Serb rule would be ok with it.
@Ment, thanks. I didn't know that Lisbon introduced an exit clause. I got my info from the Irish documentary "End of Nations" and that film was made before the Lisbon Treaty.
Please do us and yourself a favour and do not join the EU.
(Hruz, 17 November 2010 18:54)
Hruz,
You ow me an explanation than, what made you happier since Hungary joined E.U.
I can testify - the only thing what made me happier is that *** hopefully *** some anti-constitutional moves of O.V. can be over-ruled by Strasbourg. But that's merely HOPEFULLY.
No other benefit, only pain in the a*s, and more importantly: pain in the valet. Regardless, are they thieves from MSZP, thieves from FIDESZ, neo-libsi LMP or neo-nazi nuts of JOBBIK. Which one is your choice? Mine? Given these choices I don't vote by intent.
As Ireland collapses, Greece collapsed and Spain begins to collapse, the EU is for fools. Germany and others will leave before Serbia ever joins so give up this joke now.
That is interesting. Anti EU sentiments in Western Europe run high lately. Could be that people of the Balkans might be one day more enthusiastic about the EU than people in Western Europe.
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