johny
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Amen of your God is weaker than amen of our God, and it will always be. Amen.
(ZMAJ, 17 November 2010 10:09)
I don't care since he's driving a Nissan Leaf. My God is way cooler than yours.
Monday, 15.11.2010.
16:43
SPC Patriarch Irinej says the Drina River - which runs between Serbia and Bosnia - is "no border" for the Serb nation.
Izvor: Tanjug
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Amen of your God is weaker than amen of our God, and it will always be. Amen.
(ZMAJ, 17 November 2010 10:09)
I don't care since he's driving a Nissan Leaf. My God is way cooler than yours.
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I don't care since he's driving a Nissan Leaf. My God is way cooler than yours.
(johny, 17 November 2010 19:02)
Why Nissan Leaf?!
Way cooler than that?
I was always against 3 tons of iron for transport of a single person, mostly. Despite I'm not ready for such a small car yet., I consider Nissan Leaf one of the coolest things happened around last 5 years..
My God drives that??
THANK YOU GOD!
Way cooler than that.., give me a brake!
Your "cool" is not cool as my cool, obviously. You chose a diamond to degrade., Nissan Leaf.
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..Serbia has stolen form them.
(ben, 17 November 2010 16:04)
WHAT?! What should we return that was theirs? Sandzak? Rest of Bosnia? Serbian lands in Croatia? "Macedonia"? Kosovo? Only Montenegro (if cooperative) can exist in the nowdays borders as a second Serb state.. We can always "move the things" over there if we wanted to.
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Firstly I don't understand why my Albanian compatriots jump to defend Bosnia from Serbia???
- Do you see any Bosniak coming here at B92 and defending Kosova???
- Did you had any Bosniaks fighting for Kosova in 1997-1999???
- We had thousands of Albanians fighting for Bosnia and Croatia but non of them came to give any help to us.
So why are you still defending them???
Secondly why are you jumping on Irinej??? He wants for his nation what we want for ours: to be united.
Now there is a huge difference in conceptualization of unification method between how Serbs find it appropriate and how we Albanians think it is correct and morally acceptable.
Serbs had to remove over 1 million Bosniaks and Croats so one day perhaps they could get their dreamland while we Albanians live compactly and in huge majority in ALL our lands since homo erectus times thus we need not to kick out anyone from his home.
But in principle Irinej is asking what we are asking for ourselves.
Now I don't want to be associated in any way with the idea of ethnic cleansing being OK but I think Serbs in Bosnia have the same right to live in Bosnia as much as they have the right to live united with Serbia.
The only thing that Serbs permanently forget is that that 'bridge' in Drina they destroyed by ethnically cleaning the people that use to live by the Drina river for centuries: Srebrenica in first place.
So if Irinej wants her nation united which in essence is a natural demand he should have the dignity to recognize the same to other nations and in this case to Bosniaks:
Serbia should give back to Bosnia the Sandzak region and Serbrenica and take her own lands in Bosnia.
This is the only durable solution in the Balkans.
Serbs should get what is theirs and others should get what Serbia has stolen form them.
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Irinej, from your mouth, to God's ears!
Ziveli!
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(johny, 17 November 2010 06:21)
Amen of your God is weaker than amen of our God, and it will always be. Amen.
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God Bless Serbian nation and save them from stupid patriarchs
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"Still trying to escape answering the question.
What's wrong? Too hard for you?"
Why do you behave as though I'm somehow obligated to answer your tangential questions? This isn't a deposition.
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@ Peggy
This article isn't about some Mufti.
(Danilo, 16 November 2010 00:40)
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Still trying to escape answering the question.
What's wrong? Too hard for you?
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ZMAJ, Please don't tar me with the religious brush - I have seen the light and am a devout atheist.
All religions abuse their position and people of all ages - Anglican, Orthodox, Islamic, Hindu and the rest.
When blind faith to fairy stories and politics mix, it's a very, very bad combination.
(Andy UK, 16 November 2010 17:06)
I say amen to that. LOL. For what was said above I bestow on thee the title of "Your Holiness"
Subscript- This is valid only for a temporary and unspecified amount of time. Not valid in the middle east or the Vatican. Avoid using it while in Istanbul. Side effects include anger by mobs, and increased level of self-importance, and in rare cases death. Keep away from children and religious nuts. Talk to you religious leader about "Your Holiness" title on your next visit.
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I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
(Danilo, 15 November 2010 18:52)
Yet I find no comment against the Mufti Zukorlic in the many reems of postings on b92, what else should I beleive about the North American/Illyrian Astronaut.
Buzz Lightyear
Planet Earth
First Stellar Diplomat
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(roberto, 16 November 2010 03:44)
What a poor and selfish commentator you are.. You would deny the glory of the Kosovo battle even.., if in interests of your attitude. Shame on you, you found appropriate even here (on this point) to promote your dissadvantages and dissabilities. You would "sell" whole Serbia.
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So, it logically follows from his "God willing" that if this "being one" does not happen, it means that God does not will for it to happen.
KU,
Priest,
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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With the help of God Serbia will prevail.
There will be one day when Bosnian Muslims realize that they are just Serbs with another Religion, the same for Montenegrins.
Also Kosovo as heart of Serbia! Hopefully that day will be soon ;)
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Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
(je¿ ungaropolski, 16 November 2010 15:20)
"Sir", you better open your eyes to see whom you're criticizing, on such a poor base.. In a single sentence and a single signature you managed to make a few grammar (fatal) mistakes. This would be transparent if you were just commenting.., not suggesting someone to learn something he already know.
"ungaropolski"- LOL!!
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don´t worry Irinej, they will, indeed they will be one.
time is on our side, and the K-albanians will have to adjust to the situation, too.
just a question of time.
in the meantime the "one and only global super power" is printing dollars "en masse" in an helpless attempt to counter chinese economic power.
it´s just interesting to see, and even better to see the k-albanians staying silent in regard to that.
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Uhh.., Andy!
(Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this? Andy)
If you're speaking about "God" than I was speaking about "God" too, you're not bigger Atheist than me!
We're the Gods, all of us.., and we have the powers to act in the manner of Gods. Abilities to change the environment, the nature, to create, to award or punish, to give or take lives are abilities of Gods.
Politics is using the God EVERYWHERE and the nucleus presentation of Christian Religion by Constantine was for political purposes, AND ONLY! BUT I cannot swallow critics on how I park my car at the moment you have 5 tons of garbage in the garden, as my neighbor..
Best regards for that Atheism BTW! (..at least, that's a good start point.)
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
(Peter Sudyka, 16 November 2010 14:01)
Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
(je¿ ungaropolski, 16 November 2010 15:20)
What is interesting, there are fake hedgehogs all over Kosovo. Because no one would say "ungaropolski", only who does not know anything about Polish language.
Certainly not a case with my sometimes-ally, (and opponent regarding everything about Israel) - Szemi.
By saying "je¿" you won't become Szemi or Ataman automatically - just a clown.
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ZMAJ, Please don't tar me with the religious brush - I have seen the light and am a devout atheist.
All religions abuse their position and people of all ages - Anglican, Orthodox, Islamic, Hindu and the rest.
When blind faith to fairy stories and politics mix, it's a very, very bad combination.
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Id' like to hear what the Serbs think if the mufti Sandzak had said this in Sarajevo: "The Drina River is not a border but a bridge that connects us. Although, in a way, we are one even today, InshAllah, we will soon really be one"?
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
(Peter Sudyka, 16 November 2010 14:01)
Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
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Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this?
Another fine example of why religion and politics shoud not mix.
(Andy UK, 16 November 2010 13:29)
Who's God? Are you speaking about religion as you know it? With what are you mixing your religion? Ecclesia Anglicana take a look here:
http://tinyurl.com/32yzfbb
Here's nothing personal but real and informative. You'll "kill yourself" to find this in Serb Orthodox Church.., and you will- not.
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
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The Serbian Orthodox Church, like all churches, should stay out of politics. I know that many churches/religions all have their faults like this; but it still definitely does not make it right. It only perpetuates problems that have existed over the centuries.
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Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this?
Another fine example of why religion and politics shoud not mix.
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GOOD Patriarch, you wanted or not! Just swallow, it's bitter like any other good remedy.
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Let there be a referendum to sort this mess in BiH once and for all. Who the hell in their right mind gave the 'Muslims' rights in the first place. All of a sudden they think they own BiH, well I will tell you something right now, the Croats & Serbs of BiH who historically have somehow don't ask me how have always coinsided with one another because of the christian faith. It's time these 2 superpowers of the Balkans to decide themselves what they want to do in their own entities.The longer the Croats and Serbs argue with each other the stronger the Muslims get.
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"The Drina River is not a border but a bridge that connects us. Although, in a way, we are one even today, God willing, we will soon really be one"
Actually, the Drina River is a border between the people of Serb majority living on its east bank, and people of Bosniak majority living on its west bank. The Serbs in Bosnia mostly live way west of there, in Banja Luka etc, except for a small pocket of Serb majority in East Herzegovian.
Oops!! I forgot all about those 3.5 years of vicious, unrelenting ethnic cleansing the Chetniks engaged in 1992-95, to get rid of the slight problem of the wrong people on the west side of the Drina. So now, true enough, as a result of the genocide this wonderful man of god can indeed speak this medieval talk of uniting the Serb nation on both sides of the Drina.
Wouldn't be the first time that war, mass killing and horific ethnic cleansing were blessed by self-appointed "representatives of god on earth." Often enough that is precisely their function.
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With the likes of the average Serb we know how it is. Leave it to them and there are actually no Albanians in Albania or anywhere in the Balkans. They're just some poor souls who don't know their identity and thankfully the Serbs are there to remind them. Not only that but anyone who has done anything that is remotely good in Albania or for Albania and Albanians is not Albanian either. They're always some half-Serb, half Greek hybrid. Like Scanderbeg or Mother Teresa. I am grateful to read nonsense like this on a daily basis on B92. It is a strong and vivid reminder as to why our cause is right; and why we should keep away from this kind of average Serbs and vitriolic nonsense at all costs and by any means necessary. Numb-nuts like that cannot be brought back to a world where reason prevails. The more I read B92 the more I realize that Serbia has an over-aboundance of them.
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Dear Serbian Patriarch,
Please stick to your job - waving your hands and mumbling incantations - and save the politics for politicians.
thx,
Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade.
I have to admit, danilo, that was one of yr funnier postings. and spot-on.
i go pretty far trying to show respect for religions and religious figures. but some of them really push the envelope. the serbian orthodox church has now come out squarely behind the milosevic/karadzic/mladic project. which is totally appropriate, since they always did support it, and who remembers the infamous Scorpions video (bless the warriors before they go into "battle" meaning mass murdering civilians, incl some women and children).
the serbian orthodox church officials should get on their knees and beg forgiveness for their support of genocide. instead, they keep promoting it.
not to mention their role in the latest belgrade riots, pushing violent homophobia and fostering lethal attacks on the cops.
if that's religion, count me out!
ciao.
roberto
frisco
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I'm somewhat tired of this mistaken notion that a certain type of person or profession can become a politician. I'm also really amazed at the number of Americans who have a problem with an individual who has influence discussing politics unless they are specifically in political positions.
First of all, let us look at the American example of "Reverend Jessie Jackson." Clearly this is a man of religious distinction, yet he openly ran for political positions. One's beliefs and the conviction of one's beliefs have nothing to do with one's ability to effectively govern people. The notion of the seperation of church and state deals with the abstractions of both, and not individuals.
Secondly, again in America, we just recently witnessed two highly influential comedians, Stewart and Colbert, staging a mass scale, simultaneous cross country broadcasting of a political rally. Neither of these men are official politicians (we were all citizens first) yet they were allowed use their platform to mock what they disagree with and to promote what they do. It is their notoriety that offers them such a platform. As it is with Pope Benedict, who has been trying to offer political advice to various nations. As it has been with the British Royal family.
It's not very reasonable to claim amensty for one's favorite unoffical politician's rhetoric, while trying to silence the other side.
From people claiming to be American's, a place where we're all free to have our own political and religious opinions, it is both surprising and disheartening.
I may not agree with what is being said, but his audience does. Wanting something extra for one's followers or citizens is certainly not wrong -- Consider America's example of how American's have something extra, and who had to cover the spread -- but rather is both respected and the reasonable course of action.
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@ Peggy
This article isn't about some Mufti.
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I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
(Danilo, 15 November 2010 18:52)
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Not the point is it?
You should critisize them all the same whether you think they have influence or not because you believe in your mantra, religion and politics don't mix.
BTW, the mufti has as much influence as the any other religious leader.
You are only using that excuse as a way out because you cannot bear to critisize your own.
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Gajo,
we regard a half-Serb/half-Greek Đorđe Kastriotis or Kastriotić being Albanian Gjergj Kastrioti simply because he represented the Albanians of that time.
Precisely, like half-Slovak/half-Serb Aleksandar Petrovic is no one else, but Sándor Petöfi, the most known Hungarian poet and fierce Hungarian nationalist.
Otherwise look up there and decide, how "easy" is to tell apart, who is Greek, who is Serb and who is Albanian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Athanasius_of_Mouzaki
"Greek Orthodox church located in Kastoria, Greece. It was built in 1386–87 by the house of Muzaka, a noble Albanian family". Notice the name of the city - "Kastoria", it's a Greek word by the way. But everything else is a total mix. And there were also Norse, Hun and Arab invaders, too - and I did not hold a candle to watch who did sleep with whom.
Genetically Europeans are a huge mixed bag... the ethnic background is being often decided by the brain, not by genetics.
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Well, since you are encouraging the seperation of RS, my questions are:
Where are you going to be and what will you do dear patrijah if/when bosniacs and croats defend the borders of their homeland BiH?
Are you going to be on the first line of the front? Is your son, brother, daughter, going to fight? No? Anybody from your relatives?
Because neither GOD or St. Sava will, nor will vast majority of people of Republika Srpska or Serbia. They have been there, they have done that, it was not worth it.
(Balkanac, 15 November 2010 19:28) the funny thing is the Croats want to separate also in bosnia and they have asked for serbian support and backing and the Serbs will do that for their 3rd entity so you should maybe read more and learn whats going on because the bosniaks are on their own just like albanians are because the world support has dropped to 0 so the reality is RS is gone its independent and the croats will be getting their entity so its over so now the question is are the bosniaks(converted Serbs) ready to fight against the Serbs for their rights or the croats for theirs are the bosniaks ready to put their sons,daughters and mothers and fathers and relatives to fight against 2 nations that want nothing to do with you bosniaks ask your self that question and here is a couple of links that the croats asked the serbs f they will back them up
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=24&nav_id=70488
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/452937770ca?-1397
croats will get their entity with serb help in the backing.
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"i have the proof because i am a Montenegrin and i know we are all Serbs does that answer your question
(gajo, 15 November 2010 19:08)"
Genes - that means DNA studies, not archeology (Wilkes' work). An outfit in Switzerland - iGENEA - has made a study of European population genetics you might find interesting to google. (Kosovo was not included since it had not declared independence at the time of the study.) I don't know whether their results have been replicated, but at least it's a new approach, and their findings basically agree with previous archeological and anthropological evidence. What may be new is the evidence for just how mixed all of the nations of the Balkans (also: Europe, the world) are.
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Wow, Milosevic reincarnated!
(DD)
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This statement doesn't make any sense. How are the 2 similiar at all?
ohh wait... you don't like him because he is speaking about the good of the Serbian people, and the reality that is awaiting them.
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u go priest, God willing serbs will be one and also albanians in kosovo, albania, presevo, macedonia, greece and montenegro :) see we dont have to fight we have the same dream, great serbia and great albania
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Wow, Milosevic reincarnated!
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"... the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up ..."
You probably don't want to get into the genes business. There are ways of testing that, these days.
(Amer, 15 November 2010 17:35)
i have the proof because i am a Montenegrin and i know we are all Serbs does that answer your question and on the interent you could see where your blood is connected to and the other funny thing is albanians are NOT illyrian the proof is everyuwhere and here is some
http://books.google.be/books?id=iOWS4i5X9fgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=the+illyrians+wilkes+albanians&source=bl&ots=9Pb62fWtkm&sig=JCiGhlcVljGmyQTUya5NRxBQbwU&hl=fr&ei=X54mSpDzH4TX-AaNkqzODw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2009/10/05/the-albanian-myth-from-william-maxwell-albania-%E2%80%93-greece/
http://books.google.com/books
and another thing skanderbeg is not albanian he is half serbian and half-greek-slavic
http://serbiannationalist.wordpress.com/2007/
and these are world scholors and your albanian ones so get in the real world and not the fake albanian one
and you should worry about albania since it is 35% none albanians and that land was actualy given to albanians to live on from the serbs and greeks so have a nice day and the truth comes out slowly but surely.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html
and that is from the Council of Europe
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When you provoke The Church with propaganda pseudo-journalism, The Church fights back baby
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Well, since you are encouraging the seperation of RS, my questions are:
Where are you going to be and what will you do dear patrijah if/when bosniacs and croats defend the borders of their homeland BiH?
Are you going to be on the first line of the front? Is your son, brother, daughter, going to fight? No? Anybody from your relatives?
Because neither GOD or St. Sava will, nor will vast majority of people of Republika Srpska or Serbia. They have been there, they have done that, it was not worth it.
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"Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade"
When will this guy "shed his container" and join that band of castrated, kool-aid drinking, San Diego cultists in the spaceship behind the comet?
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This Danilo fella seems to purposly be against anything that is considered national interest. Kinda fishy to me. Its almost like these ultra liberals will find anything of national importance and be against it no matter how much it makes sense for Serbs.
Or hes probably Albanian. We know that surfing on B92 is a hobby for many of our southern citizens who have moved abroad for obvious reasons.
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God probably has bigger priorities these days then worrying about Serb (political) unity. It's a big, bad world out there with far worse problems than this. In the meantime, Serbs should just focus on doing the things that human beings can do to improve their living standards, like getting a good education, finding ways to build a strong economy and steering clear of war with her neighbors. A Serb with a good job, a decent income, plenty to eat, a comfortable home, access to quality healthcare and protected by strong human rights shouldn't care whether he/she lives in a country called Serbia, Bosnia or Montenegro.
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I don't remember God giving him the authority to leave his job and become a politician. Well I guess God is his personal friend and he was granted permission.
It is shameful for a nation to have a person such as this grab the headlines especially considering his following. Apparently the 90's haven't taught you anything. Ayatollah Amfilohije seems to have completely blacked out during the 90's.
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ah, the "Danilo is an Albanian" crowd comes out again.
I'm not, but do you realize how you sound to this North American when you verbalize that you think calling someone an Albanian is an insult? You just reveal you very primitive variety of organizing the world. It's ok. no skin of my nose either way.
I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
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I guess Bosniaks in Sandzak are fighting to preserve their faith and name, too.
Don't say something you'll regret later.
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God bless the Serbian nation!
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god willing that republica srpska is free and independent as soon as possible, actually it pretty much is but lets get the borders changed and connected to serbia and i think the bridge is also complete from serbia to the reopublica srpska. long live the Serb people and nation and next should be krajina because that is ancestral Serbian land and not croatian and the same in montengro since it is serbian lands in history and is 35%+ serbian people lets get that also in full autonomy and these so called montengrins that dont identify as serbs well they are just fake and dreamers because the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up but anyway the serb majority lands are close to serbia and could unify with no problems then podgorica could do what they want in their part of the tiny part that's left its time to do all this and its time for the Serbs to have all their rights in full force so speak and get it out there so all the Serbs could hear it because if these albanians could do it and take lands that is NOT theirs then the Serbs could take their lands that is theirs.
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"(They fight) to preserve the Serb name. Although this is not at all an easy task, they are succeeding." What a joke this guy must have the Serb dementia disease. Yes they succeding making the Serb and Serbian name famous among its neighbours and world wide for all the rite reasons lol. SPC Patriarch Irinej says the Drina River - which runs between Serbia and Bosnia - is "no border" for the Serb nation. Drina river is the bridge no its the border between the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina and Serbia thats it. But for you as the Serb umro uno "spiritual" leader. Will show them how to walk on the Drina River water and use it as a bridge that will be a good one.
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Danilo, what do you care what the patriarch says, you are Albanian. Do you jump up and down and scream "no religion in politics" when the trouble-making mufti in Raska shouts? No, you keep silent then.
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"... the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up ..."
You probably don't want to get into the genes business. There are ways of testing that, these days.
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Dear Serbian Patriarch,
Please stick to your job - waving your hands and mumbling incantations - and save the politics for politicians.
thx,
Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade.
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Dear Serbian Patriarch,
Please stick to your job - waving your hands and mumbling incantations - and save the politics for politicians.
thx,
Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade.
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god willing that republica srpska is free and independent as soon as possible, actually it pretty much is but lets get the borders changed and connected to serbia and i think the bridge is also complete from serbia to the reopublica srpska. long live the Serb people and nation and next should be krajina because that is ancestral Serbian land and not croatian and the same in montengro since it is serbian lands in history and is 35%+ serbian people lets get that also in full autonomy and these so called montengrins that dont identify as serbs well they are just fake and dreamers because the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up but anyway the serb majority lands are close to serbia and could unify with no problems then podgorica could do what they want in their part of the tiny part that's left its time to do all this and its time for the Serbs to have all their rights in full force so speak and get it out there so all the Serbs could hear it because if these albanians could do it and take lands that is NOT theirs then the Serbs could take their lands that is theirs.
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God probably has bigger priorities these days then worrying about Serb (political) unity. It's a big, bad world out there with far worse problems than this. In the meantime, Serbs should just focus on doing the things that human beings can do to improve their living standards, like getting a good education, finding ways to build a strong economy and steering clear of war with her neighbors. A Serb with a good job, a decent income, plenty to eat, a comfortable home, access to quality healthcare and protected by strong human rights shouldn't care whether he/she lives in a country called Serbia, Bosnia or Montenegro.
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Danilo, what do you care what the patriarch says, you are Albanian. Do you jump up and down and scream "no religion in politics" when the trouble-making mufti in Raska shouts? No, you keep silent then.
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God bless the Serbian nation!
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This Danilo fella seems to purposly be against anything that is considered national interest. Kinda fishy to me. Its almost like these ultra liberals will find anything of national importance and be against it no matter how much it makes sense for Serbs.
Or hes probably Albanian. We know that surfing on B92 is a hobby for many of our southern citizens who have moved abroad for obvious reasons.
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Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this?
Another fine example of why religion and politics shoud not mix.
(Andy UK, 16 November 2010 13:29)
Who's God? Are you speaking about religion as you know it? With what are you mixing your religion? Ecclesia Anglicana take a look here:
http://tinyurl.com/32yzfbb
Here's nothing personal but real and informative. You'll "kill yourself" to find this in Serb Orthodox Church.., and you will- not.
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When you provoke The Church with propaganda pseudo-journalism, The Church fights back baby
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"... the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up ..."
You probably don't want to get into the genes business. There are ways of testing that, these days.
(Amer, 15 November 2010 17:35)
i have the proof because i am a Montenegrin and i know we are all Serbs does that answer your question and on the interent you could see where your blood is connected to and the other funny thing is albanians are NOT illyrian the proof is everyuwhere and here is some
http://books.google.be/books?id=iOWS4i5X9fgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=the+illyrians+wilkes+albanians&source=bl&ots=9Pb62fWtkm&sig=JCiGhlcVljGmyQTUya5NRxBQbwU&hl=fr&ei=X54mSpDzH4TX-AaNkqzODw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2009/10/05/the-albanian-myth-from-william-maxwell-albania-%E2%80%93-greece/
http://books.google.com/books
and another thing skanderbeg is not albanian he is half serbian and half-greek-slavic
http://serbiannationalist.wordpress.com/2007/
and these are world scholors and your albanian ones so get in the real world and not the fake albanian one
and you should worry about albania since it is 35% none albanians and that land was actualy given to albanians to live on from the serbs and greeks so have a nice day and the truth comes out slowly but surely.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html
and that is from the Council of Europe
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"(They fight) to preserve the Serb name. Although this is not at all an easy task, they are succeeding." What a joke this guy must have the Serb dementia disease. Yes they succeding making the Serb and Serbian name famous among its neighbours and world wide for all the rite reasons lol. SPC Patriarch Irinej says the Drina River - which runs between Serbia and Bosnia - is "no border" for the Serb nation. Drina river is the bridge no its the border between the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina and Serbia thats it. But for you as the Serb umro uno "spiritual" leader. Will show them how to walk on the Drina River water and use it as a bridge that will be a good one.
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I don't remember God giving him the authority to leave his job and become a politician. Well I guess God is his personal friend and he was granted permission.
It is shameful for a nation to have a person such as this grab the headlines especially considering his following. Apparently the 90's haven't taught you anything. Ayatollah Amfilohije seems to have completely blacked out during the 90's.
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I guess Bosniaks in Sandzak are fighting to preserve their faith and name, too.
Don't say something you'll regret later.
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I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
(Danilo, 15 November 2010 18:52)
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Not the point is it?
You should critisize them all the same whether you think they have influence or not because you believe in your mantra, religion and politics don't mix.
BTW, the mufti has as much influence as the any other religious leader.
You are only using that excuse as a way out because you cannot bear to critisize your own.
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GOOD Patriarch, you wanted or not! Just swallow, it's bitter like any other good remedy.
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"... the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up ..."
You probably don't want to get into the genes business. There are ways of testing that, these days.
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Dear Serbian Patriarch,
Please stick to your job - waving your hands and mumbling incantations - and save the politics for politicians.
thx,
Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade.
I have to admit, danilo, that was one of yr funnier postings. and spot-on.
i go pretty far trying to show respect for religions and religious figures. but some of them really push the envelope. the serbian orthodox church has now come out squarely behind the milosevic/karadzic/mladic project. which is totally appropriate, since they always did support it, and who remembers the infamous Scorpions video (bless the warriors before they go into "battle" meaning mass murdering civilians, incl some women and children).
the serbian orthodox church officials should get on their knees and beg forgiveness for their support of genocide. instead, they keep promoting it.
not to mention their role in the latest belgrade riots, pushing violent homophobia and fostering lethal attacks on the cops.
if that's religion, count me out!
ciao.
roberto
frisco
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Well, since you are encouraging the seperation of RS, my questions are:
Where are you going to be and what will you do dear patrijah if/when bosniacs and croats defend the borders of their homeland BiH?
Are you going to be on the first line of the front? Is your son, brother, daughter, going to fight? No? Anybody from your relatives?
Because neither GOD or St. Sava will, nor will vast majority of people of Republika Srpska or Serbia. They have been there, they have done that, it was not worth it.
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Wow, Milosevic reincarnated!
(DD)
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This statement doesn't make any sense. How are the 2 similiar at all?
ohh wait... you don't like him because he is speaking about the good of the Serbian people, and the reality that is awaiting them.
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(johny, 17 November 2010 06:21)
Amen of your God is weaker than amen of our God, and it will always be. Amen.
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ah, the "Danilo is an Albanian" crowd comes out again.
I'm not, but do you realize how you sound to this North American when you verbalize that you think calling someone an Albanian is an insult? You just reveal you very primitive variety of organizing the world. It's ok. no skin of my nose either way.
I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
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Wow, Milosevic reincarnated!
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"The Drina River is not a border but a bridge that connects us. Although, in a way, we are one even today, God willing, we will soon really be one"
Actually, the Drina River is a border between the people of Serb majority living on its east bank, and people of Bosniak majority living on its west bank. The Serbs in Bosnia mostly live way west of there, in Banja Luka etc, except for a small pocket of Serb majority in East Herzegovian.
Oops!! I forgot all about those 3.5 years of vicious, unrelenting ethnic cleansing the Chetniks engaged in 1992-95, to get rid of the slight problem of the wrong people on the west side of the Drina. So now, true enough, as a result of the genocide this wonderful man of god can indeed speak this medieval talk of uniting the Serb nation on both sides of the Drina.
Wouldn't be the first time that war, mass killing and horific ethnic cleansing were blessed by self-appointed "representatives of god on earth." Often enough that is precisely their function.
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Id' like to hear what the Serbs think if the mufti Sandzak had said this in Sarajevo: "The Drina River is not a border but a bridge that connects us. Although, in a way, we are one even today, InshAllah, we will soon really be one"?
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Well, since you are encouraging the seperation of RS, my questions are:
Where are you going to be and what will you do dear patrijah if/when bosniacs and croats defend the borders of their homeland BiH?
Are you going to be on the first line of the front? Is your son, brother, daughter, going to fight? No? Anybody from your relatives?
Because neither GOD or St. Sava will, nor will vast majority of people of Republika Srpska or Serbia. They have been there, they have done that, it was not worth it.
(Balkanac, 15 November 2010 19:28) the funny thing is the Croats want to separate also in bosnia and they have asked for serbian support and backing and the Serbs will do that for their 3rd entity so you should maybe read more and learn whats going on because the bosniaks are on their own just like albanians are because the world support has dropped to 0 so the reality is RS is gone its independent and the croats will be getting their entity so its over so now the question is are the bosniaks(converted Serbs) ready to fight against the Serbs for their rights or the croats for theirs are the bosniaks ready to put their sons,daughters and mothers and fathers and relatives to fight against 2 nations that want nothing to do with you bosniaks ask your self that question and here is a couple of links that the croats asked the serbs f they will back them up
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=24&nav_id=70488
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/452937770ca?-1397
croats will get their entity with serb help in the backing.
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With the likes of the average Serb we know how it is. Leave it to them and there are actually no Albanians in Albania or anywhere in the Balkans. They're just some poor souls who don't know their identity and thankfully the Serbs are there to remind them. Not only that but anyone who has done anything that is remotely good in Albania or for Albania and Albanians is not Albanian either. They're always some half-Serb, half Greek hybrid. Like Scanderbeg or Mother Teresa. I am grateful to read nonsense like this on a daily basis on B92. It is a strong and vivid reminder as to why our cause is right; and why we should keep away from this kind of average Serbs and vitriolic nonsense at all costs and by any means necessary. Numb-nuts like that cannot be brought back to a world where reason prevails. The more I read B92 the more I realize that Serbia has an over-aboundance of them.
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@ Peggy
This article isn't about some Mufti.
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Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this?
Another fine example of why religion and politics shoud not mix.
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Uhh.., Andy!
(Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this? Andy)
If you're speaking about "God" than I was speaking about "God" too, you're not bigger Atheist than me!
We're the Gods, all of us.., and we have the powers to act in the manner of Gods. Abilities to change the environment, the nature, to create, to award or punish, to give or take lives are abilities of Gods.
Politics is using the God EVERYWHERE and the nucleus presentation of Christian Religion by Constantine was for political purposes, AND ONLY! BUT I cannot swallow critics on how I park my car at the moment you have 5 tons of garbage in the garden, as my neighbor..
Best regards for that Atheism BTW! (..at least, that's a good start point.)
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Irinej, from your mouth, to God's ears!
Ziveli!
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..Serbia has stolen form them.
(ben, 17 November 2010 16:04)
WHAT?! What should we return that was theirs? Sandzak? Rest of Bosnia? Serbian lands in Croatia? "Macedonia"? Kosovo? Only Montenegro (if cooperative) can exist in the nowdays borders as a second Serb state.. We can always "move the things" over there if we wanted to.
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(roberto, 16 November 2010 03:44)
What a poor and selfish commentator you are.. You would deny the glory of the Kosovo battle even.., if in interests of your attitude. Shame on you, you found appropriate even here (on this point) to promote your dissadvantages and dissabilities. You would "sell" whole Serbia.
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u go priest, God willing serbs will be one and also albanians in kosovo, albania, presevo, macedonia, greece and montenegro :) see we dont have to fight we have the same dream, great serbia and great albania
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
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Gajo,
we regard a half-Serb/half-Greek Đorđe Kastriotis or Kastriotić being Albanian Gjergj Kastrioti simply because he represented the Albanians of that time.
Precisely, like half-Slovak/half-Serb Aleksandar Petrovic is no one else, but Sándor Petöfi, the most known Hungarian poet and fierce Hungarian nationalist.
Otherwise look up there and decide, how "easy" is to tell apart, who is Greek, who is Serb and who is Albanian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Athanasius_of_Mouzaki
"Greek Orthodox church located in Kastoria, Greece. It was built in 1386–87 by the house of Muzaka, a noble Albanian family". Notice the name of the city - "Kastoria", it's a Greek word by the way. But everything else is a total mix. And there were also Norse, Hun and Arab invaders, too - and I did not hold a candle to watch who did sleep with whom.
Genetically Europeans are a huge mixed bag... the ethnic background is being often decided by the brain, not by genetics.
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Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
(je¿ ungaropolski, 16 November 2010 15:20)
"Sir", you better open your eyes to see whom you're criticizing, on such a poor base.. In a single sentence and a single signature you managed to make a few grammar (fatal) mistakes. This would be transparent if you were just commenting.., not suggesting someone to learn something he already know.
"ungaropolski"- LOL!!
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"Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade"
When will this guy "shed his container" and join that band of castrated, kool-aid drinking, San Diego cultists in the spaceship behind the comet?
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@ Peggy
This article isn't about some Mufti.
(Danilo, 16 November 2010 00:40)
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Still trying to escape answering the question.
What's wrong? Too hard for you?
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Let there be a referendum to sort this mess in BiH once and for all. Who the hell in their right mind gave the 'Muslims' rights in the first place. All of a sudden they think they own BiH, well I will tell you something right now, the Croats & Serbs of BiH who historically have somehow don't ask me how have always coinsided with one another because of the christian faith. It's time these 2 superpowers of the Balkans to decide themselves what they want to do in their own entities.The longer the Croats and Serbs argue with each other the stronger the Muslims get.
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
(Peter Sudyka, 16 November 2010 14:01)
Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
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don´t worry Irinej, they will, indeed they will be one.
time is on our side, and the K-albanians will have to adjust to the situation, too.
just a question of time.
in the meantime the "one and only global super power" is printing dollars "en masse" in an helpless attempt to counter chinese economic power.
it´s just interesting to see, and even better to see the k-albanians staying silent in regard to that.
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"i have the proof because i am a Montenegrin and i know we are all Serbs does that answer your question
(gajo, 15 November 2010 19:08)"
Genes - that means DNA studies, not archeology (Wilkes' work). An outfit in Switzerland - iGENEA - has made a study of European population genetics you might find interesting to google. (Kosovo was not included since it had not declared independence at the time of the study.) I don't know whether their results have been replicated, but at least it's a new approach, and their findings basically agree with previous archeological and anthropological evidence. What may be new is the evidence for just how mixed all of the nations of the Balkans (also: Europe, the world) are.
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God Bless Serbian nation and save them from stupid patriarchs
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ZMAJ, Please don't tar me with the religious brush - I have seen the light and am a devout atheist.
All religions abuse their position and people of all ages - Anglican, Orthodox, Islamic, Hindu and the rest.
When blind faith to fairy stories and politics mix, it's a very, very bad combination.
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With the help of God Serbia will prevail.
There will be one day when Bosnian Muslims realize that they are just Serbs with another Religion, the same for Montenegrins.
Also Kosovo as heart of Serbia! Hopefully that day will be soon ;)
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
(Peter Sudyka, 16 November 2010 14:01)
Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
(je¿ ungaropolski, 16 November 2010 15:20)
What is interesting, there are fake hedgehogs all over Kosovo. Because no one would say "ungaropolski", only who does not know anything about Polish language.
Certainly not a case with my sometimes-ally, (and opponent regarding everything about Israel) - Szemi.
By saying "je¿" you won't become Szemi or Ataman automatically - just a clown.
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I'm somewhat tired of this mistaken notion that a certain type of person or profession can become a politician. I'm also really amazed at the number of Americans who have a problem with an individual who has influence discussing politics unless they are specifically in political positions.
First of all, let us look at the American example of "Reverend Jessie Jackson." Clearly this is a man of religious distinction, yet he openly ran for political positions. One's beliefs and the conviction of one's beliefs have nothing to do with one's ability to effectively govern people. The notion of the seperation of church and state deals with the abstractions of both, and not individuals.
Secondly, again in America, we just recently witnessed two highly influential comedians, Stewart and Colbert, staging a mass scale, simultaneous cross country broadcasting of a political rally. Neither of these men are official politicians (we were all citizens first) yet they were allowed use their platform to mock what they disagree with and to promote what they do. It is their notoriety that offers them such a platform. As it is with Pope Benedict, who has been trying to offer political advice to various nations. As it has been with the British Royal family.
It's not very reasonable to claim amensty for one's favorite unoffical politician's rhetoric, while trying to silence the other side.
From people claiming to be American's, a place where we're all free to have our own political and religious opinions, it is both surprising and disheartening.
I may not agree with what is being said, but his audience does. Wanting something extra for one's followers or citizens is certainly not wrong -- Consider America's example of how American's have something extra, and who had to cover the spread -- but rather is both respected and the reasonable course of action.
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The Serbian Orthodox Church, like all churches, should stay out of politics. I know that many churches/religions all have their faults like this; but it still definitely does not make it right. It only perpetuates problems that have existed over the centuries.
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ZMAJ, Please don't tar me with the religious brush - I have seen the light and am a devout atheist.
All religions abuse their position and people of all ages - Anglican, Orthodox, Islamic, Hindu and the rest.
When blind faith to fairy stories and politics mix, it's a very, very bad combination.
(Andy UK, 16 November 2010 17:06)
I say amen to that. LOL. For what was said above I bestow on thee the title of "Your Holiness"
Subscript- This is valid only for a temporary and unspecified amount of time. Not valid in the middle east or the Vatican. Avoid using it while in Istanbul. Side effects include anger by mobs, and increased level of self-importance, and in rare cases death. Keep away from children and religious nuts. Talk to you religious leader about "Your Holiness" title on your next visit.
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Firstly I don't understand why my Albanian compatriots jump to defend Bosnia from Serbia???
- Do you see any Bosniak coming here at B92 and defending Kosova???
- Did you had any Bosniaks fighting for Kosova in 1997-1999???
- We had thousands of Albanians fighting for Bosnia and Croatia but non of them came to give any help to us.
So why are you still defending them???
Secondly why are you jumping on Irinej??? He wants for his nation what we want for ours: to be united.
Now there is a huge difference in conceptualization of unification method between how Serbs find it appropriate and how we Albanians think it is correct and morally acceptable.
Serbs had to remove over 1 million Bosniaks and Croats so one day perhaps they could get their dreamland while we Albanians live compactly and in huge majority in ALL our lands since homo erectus times thus we need not to kick out anyone from his home.
But in principle Irinej is asking what we are asking for ourselves.
Now I don't want to be associated in any way with the idea of ethnic cleansing being OK but I think Serbs in Bosnia have the same right to live in Bosnia as much as they have the right to live united with Serbia.
The only thing that Serbs permanently forget is that that 'bridge' in Drina they destroyed by ethnically cleaning the people that use to live by the Drina river for centuries: Srebrenica in first place.
So if Irinej wants her nation united which in essence is a natural demand he should have the dignity to recognize the same to other nations and in this case to Bosniaks:
Serbia should give back to Bosnia the Sandzak region and Serbrenica and take her own lands in Bosnia.
This is the only durable solution in the Balkans.
Serbs should get what is theirs and others should get what Serbia has stolen form them.
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So, it logically follows from his "God willing" that if this "being one" does not happen, it means that God does not will for it to happen.
KU,
Priest,
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
(Danilo, 15 November 2010 18:52)
Yet I find no comment against the Mufti Zukorlic in the many reems of postings on b92, what else should I beleive about the North American/Illyrian Astronaut.
Buzz Lightyear
Planet Earth
First Stellar Diplomat
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"Still trying to escape answering the question.
What's wrong? Too hard for you?"
Why do you behave as though I'm somehow obligated to answer your tangential questions? This isn't a deposition.
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I don't care since he's driving a Nissan Leaf. My God is way cooler than yours.
(johny, 17 November 2010 19:02)
Why Nissan Leaf?!
Way cooler than that?
I was always against 3 tons of iron for transport of a single person, mostly. Despite I'm not ready for such a small car yet., I consider Nissan Leaf one of the coolest things happened around last 5 years..
My God drives that??
THANK YOU GOD!
Way cooler than that.., give me a brake!
Your "cool" is not cool as my cool, obviously. You chose a diamond to degrade., Nissan Leaf.
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Amen of your God is weaker than amen of our God, and it will always be. Amen.
(ZMAJ, 17 November 2010 10:09)
I don't care since he's driving a Nissan Leaf. My God is way cooler than yours.
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Dear Serbian Patriarch,
Please stick to your job - waving your hands and mumbling incantations - and save the politics for politicians.
thx,
Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade.
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I don't remember God giving him the authority to leave his job and become a politician. Well I guess God is his personal friend and he was granted permission.
It is shameful for a nation to have a person such as this grab the headlines especially considering his following. Apparently the 90's haven't taught you anything. Ayatollah Amfilohije seems to have completely blacked out during the 90's.
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"(They fight) to preserve the Serb name. Although this is not at all an easy task, they are succeeding." What a joke this guy must have the Serb dementia disease. Yes they succeding making the Serb and Serbian name famous among its neighbours and world wide for all the rite reasons lol. SPC Patriarch Irinej says the Drina River - which runs between Serbia and Bosnia - is "no border" for the Serb nation. Drina river is the bridge no its the border between the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina and Serbia thats it. But for you as the Serb umro uno "spiritual" leader. Will show them how to walk on the Drina River water and use it as a bridge that will be a good one.
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I guess Bosniaks in Sandzak are fighting to preserve their faith and name, too.
Don't say something you'll regret later.
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god willing that republica srpska is free and independent as soon as possible, actually it pretty much is but lets get the borders changed and connected to serbia and i think the bridge is also complete from serbia to the reopublica srpska. long live the Serb people and nation and next should be krajina because that is ancestral Serbian land and not croatian and the same in montengro since it is serbian lands in history and is 35%+ serbian people lets get that also in full autonomy and these so called montengrins that dont identify as serbs well they are just fake and dreamers because the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up but anyway the serb majority lands are close to serbia and could unify with no problems then podgorica could do what they want in their part of the tiny part that's left its time to do all this and its time for the Serbs to have all their rights in full force so speak and get it out there so all the Serbs could hear it because if these albanians could do it and take lands that is NOT theirs then the Serbs could take their lands that is theirs.
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Amen of your God is weaker than amen of our God, and it will always be. Amen.
(ZMAJ, 17 November 2010 10:09)
I don't care since he's driving a Nissan Leaf. My God is way cooler than yours.
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ah, the "Danilo is an Albanian" crowd comes out again.
I'm not, but do you realize how you sound to this North American when you verbalize that you think calling someone an Albanian is an insult? You just reveal you very primitive variety of organizing the world. It's ok. no skin of my nose either way.
I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
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Wow, Milosevic reincarnated!
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"Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade"
When will this guy "shed his container" and join that band of castrated, kool-aid drinking, San Diego cultists in the spaceship behind the comet?
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"... the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up ..."
You probably don't want to get into the genes business. There are ways of testing that, these days.
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Well, since you are encouraging the seperation of RS, my questions are:
Where are you going to be and what will you do dear patrijah if/when bosniacs and croats defend the borders of their homeland BiH?
Are you going to be on the first line of the front? Is your son, brother, daughter, going to fight? No? Anybody from your relatives?
Because neither GOD or St. Sava will, nor will vast majority of people of Republika Srpska or Serbia. They have been there, they have done that, it was not worth it.
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Dear Serbian Patriarch,
Please stick to your job - waving your hands and mumbling incantations - and save the politics for politicians.
thx,
Danilo
Astronaut
Belgrade.
I have to admit, danilo, that was one of yr funnier postings. and spot-on.
i go pretty far trying to show respect for religions and religious figures. but some of them really push the envelope. the serbian orthodox church has now come out squarely behind the milosevic/karadzic/mladic project. which is totally appropriate, since they always did support it, and who remembers the infamous Scorpions video (bless the warriors before they go into "battle" meaning mass murdering civilians, incl some women and children).
the serbian orthodox church officials should get on their knees and beg forgiveness for their support of genocide. instead, they keep promoting it.
not to mention their role in the latest belgrade riots, pushing violent homophobia and fostering lethal attacks on the cops.
if that's religion, count me out!
ciao.
roberto
frisco
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Id' like to hear what the Serbs think if the mufti Sandzak had said this in Sarajevo: "The Drina River is not a border but a bridge that connects us. Although, in a way, we are one even today, InshAllah, we will soon really be one"?
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u go priest, God willing serbs will be one and also albanians in kosovo, albania, presevo, macedonia, greece and montenegro :) see we dont have to fight we have the same dream, great serbia and great albania
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
(Peter Sudyka, 16 November 2010 14:01)
Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
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Danilo, what do you care what the patriarch says, you are Albanian. Do you jump up and down and scream "no religion in politics" when the trouble-making mufti in Raska shouts? No, you keep silent then.
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This Danilo fella seems to purposly be against anything that is considered national interest. Kinda fishy to me. Its almost like these ultra liberals will find anything of national importance and be against it no matter how much it makes sense for Serbs.
Or hes probably Albanian. We know that surfing on B92 is a hobby for many of our southern citizens who have moved abroad for obvious reasons.
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With the likes of the average Serb we know how it is. Leave it to them and there are actually no Albanians in Albania or anywhere in the Balkans. They're just some poor souls who don't know their identity and thankfully the Serbs are there to remind them. Not only that but anyone who has done anything that is remotely good in Albania or for Albania and Albanians is not Albanian either. They're always some half-Serb, half Greek hybrid. Like Scanderbeg or Mother Teresa. I am grateful to read nonsense like this on a daily basis on B92. It is a strong and vivid reminder as to why our cause is right; and why we should keep away from this kind of average Serbs and vitriolic nonsense at all costs and by any means necessary. Numb-nuts like that cannot be brought back to a world where reason prevails. The more I read B92 the more I realize that Serbia has an over-aboundance of them.
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@ Peggy
This article isn't about some Mufti.
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"The Drina River is not a border but a bridge that connects us. Although, in a way, we are one even today, God willing, we will soon really be one"
Actually, the Drina River is a border between the people of Serb majority living on its east bank, and people of Bosniak majority living on its west bank. The Serbs in Bosnia mostly live way west of there, in Banja Luka etc, except for a small pocket of Serb majority in East Herzegovian.
Oops!! I forgot all about those 3.5 years of vicious, unrelenting ethnic cleansing the Chetniks engaged in 1992-95, to get rid of the slight problem of the wrong people on the west side of the Drina. So now, true enough, as a result of the genocide this wonderful man of god can indeed speak this medieval talk of uniting the Serb nation on both sides of the Drina.
Wouldn't be the first time that war, mass killing and horific ethnic cleansing were blessed by self-appointed "representatives of god on earth." Often enough that is precisely their function.
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ZMAJ, Please don't tar me with the religious brush - I have seen the light and am a devout atheist.
All religions abuse their position and people of all ages - Anglican, Orthodox, Islamic, Hindu and the rest.
When blind faith to fairy stories and politics mix, it's a very, very bad combination.
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God bless the Serbian nation!
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"i have the proof because i am a Montenegrin and i know we are all Serbs does that answer your question
(gajo, 15 November 2010 19:08)"
Genes - that means DNA studies, not archeology (Wilkes' work). An outfit in Switzerland - iGENEA - has made a study of European population genetics you might find interesting to google. (Kosovo was not included since it had not declared independence at the time of the study.) I don't know whether their results have been replicated, but at least it's a new approach, and their findings basically agree with previous archeological and anthropological evidence. What may be new is the evidence for just how mixed all of the nations of the Balkans (also: Europe, the world) are.
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Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this?
Another fine example of why religion and politics shoud not mix.
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When you provoke The Church with propaganda pseudo-journalism, The Church fights back baby
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Gajo,
we regard a half-Serb/half-Greek Đorđe Kastriotis or Kastriotić being Albanian Gjergj Kastrioti simply because he represented the Albanians of that time.
Precisely, like half-Slovak/half-Serb Aleksandar Petrovic is no one else, but Sándor Petöfi, the most known Hungarian poet and fierce Hungarian nationalist.
Otherwise look up there and decide, how "easy" is to tell apart, who is Greek, who is Serb and who is Albanian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Athanasius_of_Mouzaki
"Greek Orthodox church located in Kastoria, Greece. It was built in 1386–87 by the house of Muzaka, a noble Albanian family". Notice the name of the city - "Kastoria", it's a Greek word by the way. But everything else is a total mix. And there were also Norse, Hun and Arab invaders, too - and I did not hold a candle to watch who did sleep with whom.
Genetically Europeans are a huge mixed bag... the ethnic background is being often decided by the brain, not by genetics.
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"Still trying to escape answering the question.
What's wrong? Too hard for you?"
Why do you behave as though I'm somehow obligated to answer your tangential questions? This isn't a deposition.
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Wow, Milosevic reincarnated!
(DD)
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This statement doesn't make any sense. How are the 2 similiar at all?
ohh wait... you don't like him because he is speaking about the good of the Serbian people, and the reality that is awaiting them.
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Well, since you are encouraging the seperation of RS, my questions are:
Where are you going to be and what will you do dear patrijah if/when bosniacs and croats defend the borders of their homeland BiH?
Are you going to be on the first line of the front? Is your son, brother, daughter, going to fight? No? Anybody from your relatives?
Because neither GOD or St. Sava will, nor will vast majority of people of Republika Srpska or Serbia. They have been there, they have done that, it was not worth it.
(Balkanac, 15 November 2010 19:28) the funny thing is the Croats want to separate also in bosnia and they have asked for serbian support and backing and the Serbs will do that for their 3rd entity so you should maybe read more and learn whats going on because the bosniaks are on their own just like albanians are because the world support has dropped to 0 so the reality is RS is gone its independent and the croats will be getting their entity so its over so now the question is are the bosniaks(converted Serbs) ready to fight against the Serbs for their rights or the croats for theirs are the bosniaks ready to put their sons,daughters and mothers and fathers and relatives to fight against 2 nations that want nothing to do with you bosniaks ask your self that question and here is a couple of links that the croats asked the serbs f they will back them up
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=24&nav_id=70488
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/452937770ca?-1397
croats will get their entity with serb help in the backing.
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I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
(Danilo, 15 November 2010 18:52)
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Not the point is it?
You should critisize them all the same whether you think they have influence or not because you believe in your mantra, religion and politics don't mix.
BTW, the mufti has as much influence as the any other religious leader.
You are only using that excuse as a way out because you cannot bear to critisize your own.
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God Bless Serbian nation and save them from stupid patriarchs
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"... the blood is exactly the same and genes and everything about it just look it up ..."
You probably don't want to get into the genes business. There are ways of testing that, these days.
(Amer, 15 November 2010 17:35)
i have the proof because i am a Montenegrin and i know we are all Serbs does that answer your question and on the interent you could see where your blood is connected to and the other funny thing is albanians are NOT illyrian the proof is everyuwhere and here is some
http://books.google.be/books?id=iOWS4i5X9fgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=the+illyrians+wilkes+albanians&source=bl&ots=9Pb62fWtkm&sig=JCiGhlcVljGmyQTUya5NRxBQbwU&hl=fr&ei=X54mSpDzH4TX-AaNkqzODw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2009/10/05/the-albanian-myth-from-william-maxwell-albania-%E2%80%93-greece/
http://books.google.com/books
and another thing skanderbeg is not albanian he is half serbian and half-greek-slavic
http://serbiannationalist.wordpress.com/2007/
and these are world scholors and your albanian ones so get in the real world and not the fake albanian one
and you should worry about albania since it is 35% none albanians and that land was actualy given to albanians to live on from the serbs and greeks so have a nice day and the truth comes out slowly but surely.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html
and that is from the Council of Europe
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Let there be a referendum to sort this mess in BiH once and for all. Who the hell in their right mind gave the 'Muslims' rights in the first place. All of a sudden they think they own BiH, well I will tell you something right now, the Croats & Serbs of BiH who historically have somehow don't ask me how have always coinsided with one another because of the christian faith. It's time these 2 superpowers of the Balkans to decide themselves what they want to do in their own entities.The longer the Croats and Serbs argue with each other the stronger the Muslims get.
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God probably has bigger priorities these days then worrying about Serb (political) unity. It's a big, bad world out there with far worse problems than this. In the meantime, Serbs should just focus on doing the things that human beings can do to improve their living standards, like getting a good education, finding ways to build a strong economy and steering clear of war with her neighbors. A Serb with a good job, a decent income, plenty to eat, a comfortable home, access to quality healthcare and protected by strong human rights shouldn't care whether he/she lives in a country called Serbia, Bosnia or Montenegro.
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
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ZMAJ, Please don't tar me with the religious brush - I have seen the light and am a devout atheist.
All religions abuse their position and people of all ages - Anglican, Orthodox, Islamic, Hindu and the rest.
When blind faith to fairy stories and politics mix, it's a very, very bad combination.
(Andy UK, 16 November 2010 17:06)
I say amen to that. LOL. For what was said above I bestow on thee the title of "Your Holiness"
Subscript- This is valid only for a temporary and unspecified amount of time. Not valid in the middle east or the Vatican. Avoid using it while in Istanbul. Side effects include anger by mobs, and increased level of self-importance, and in rare cases death. Keep away from children and religious nuts. Talk to you religious leader about "Your Holiness" title on your next visit.
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With the help of God Serbia will prevail.
There will be one day when Bosnian Muslims realize that they are just Serbs with another Religion, the same for Montenegrins.
Also Kosovo as heart of Serbia! Hopefully that day will be soon ;)
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don´t worry Irinej, they will, indeed they will be one.
time is on our side, and the K-albanians will have to adjust to the situation, too.
just a question of time.
in the meantime the "one and only global super power" is printing dollars "en masse" in an helpless attempt to counter chinese economic power.
it´s just interesting to see, and even better to see the k-albanians staying silent in regard to that.
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Firstly I don't understand why my Albanian compatriots jump to defend Bosnia from Serbia???
- Do you see any Bosniak coming here at B92 and defending Kosova???
- Did you had any Bosniaks fighting for Kosova in 1997-1999???
- We had thousands of Albanians fighting for Bosnia and Croatia but non of them came to give any help to us.
So why are you still defending them???
Secondly why are you jumping on Irinej??? He wants for his nation what we want for ours: to be united.
Now there is a huge difference in conceptualization of unification method between how Serbs find it appropriate and how we Albanians think it is correct and morally acceptable.
Serbs had to remove over 1 million Bosniaks and Croats so one day perhaps they could get their dreamland while we Albanians live compactly and in huge majority in ALL our lands since homo erectus times thus we need not to kick out anyone from his home.
But in principle Irinej is asking what we are asking for ourselves.
Now I don't want to be associated in any way with the idea of ethnic cleansing being OK but I think Serbs in Bosnia have the same right to live in Bosnia as much as they have the right to live united with Serbia.
The only thing that Serbs permanently forget is that that 'bridge' in Drina they destroyed by ethnically cleaning the people that use to live by the Drina river for centuries: Srebrenica in first place.
So if Irinej wants her nation united which in essence is a natural demand he should have the dignity to recognize the same to other nations and in this case to Bosniaks:
Serbia should give back to Bosnia the Sandzak region and Serbrenica and take her own lands in Bosnia.
This is the only durable solution in the Balkans.
Serbs should get what is theirs and others should get what Serbia has stolen form them.
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So, it logically follows from his "God willing" that if this "being one" does not happen, it means that God does not will for it to happen.
KU,
Priest,
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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I'm somewhat tired of this mistaken notion that a certain type of person or profession can become a politician. I'm also really amazed at the number of Americans who have a problem with an individual who has influence discussing politics unless they are specifically in political positions.
First of all, let us look at the American example of "Reverend Jessie Jackson." Clearly this is a man of religious distinction, yet he openly ran for political positions. One's beliefs and the conviction of one's beliefs have nothing to do with one's ability to effectively govern people. The notion of the seperation of church and state deals with the abstractions of both, and not individuals.
Secondly, again in America, we just recently witnessed two highly influential comedians, Stewart and Colbert, staging a mass scale, simultaneous cross country broadcasting of a political rally. Neither of these men are official politicians (we were all citizens first) yet they were allowed use their platform to mock what they disagree with and to promote what they do. It is their notoriety that offers them such a platform. As it is with Pope Benedict, who has been trying to offer political advice to various nations. As it has been with the British Royal family.
It's not very reasonable to claim amensty for one's favorite unoffical politician's rhetoric, while trying to silence the other side.
From people claiming to be American's, a place where we're all free to have our own political and religious opinions, it is both surprising and disheartening.
I may not agree with what is being said, but his audience does. Wanting something extra for one's followers or citizens is certainly not wrong -- Consider America's example of how American's have something extra, and who had to cover the spread -- but rather is both respected and the reasonable course of action.
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The Serbian Orthodox Church, like all churches, should stay out of politics. I know that many churches/religions all have their faults like this; but it still definitely does not make it right. It only perpetuates problems that have existed over the centuries.
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Uhh.., Andy!
(Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this? Andy)
If you're speaking about "God" than I was speaking about "God" too, you're not bigger Atheist than me!
We're the Gods, all of us.., and we have the powers to act in the manner of Gods. Abilities to change the environment, the nature, to create, to award or punish, to give or take lives are abilities of Gods.
Politics is using the God EVERYWHERE and the nucleus presentation of Christian Religion by Constantine was for political purposes, AND ONLY! BUT I cannot swallow critics on how I park my car at the moment you have 5 tons of garbage in the garden, as my neighbor..
Best regards for that Atheism BTW! (..at least, that's a good start point.)
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(johny, 17 November 2010 06:21)
Amen of your God is weaker than amen of our God, and it will always be. Amen.
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(roberto, 16 November 2010 03:44)
What a poor and selfish commentator you are.. You would deny the glory of the Kosovo battle even.., if in interests of your attitude. Shame on you, you found appropriate even here (on this point) to promote your dissadvantages and dissabilities. You would "sell" whole Serbia.
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I'd criticize the mufti too, if he actually had any real influence, as the Patriarch does.
(Danilo, 15 November 2010 18:52)
Yet I find no comment against the Mufti Zukorlic in the many reems of postings on b92, what else should I beleive about the North American/Illyrian Astronaut.
Buzz Lightyear
Planet Earth
First Stellar Diplomat
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Irinej, from your mouth, to God's ears!
Ziveli!
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GOOD Patriarch, you wanted or not! Just swallow, it's bitter like any other good remedy.
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Anyway, what if God is not "willing" for this?
Another fine example of why religion and politics shoud not mix.
(Andy UK, 16 November 2010 13:29)
Who's God? Are you speaking about religion as you know it? With what are you mixing your religion? Ecclesia Anglicana take a look here:
http://tinyurl.com/32yzfbb
Here's nothing personal but real and informative. You'll "kill yourself" to find this in Serb Orthodox Church.., and you will- not.
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Well, to all Albanian posters here criticing the patriarch for getting involved in politics, is he not better in your eyes that the corrupt criminals you call politicians in charge of Kosovo?
(Peter Sudyka, 16 November 2010 14:01)
Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
(je¿ ungaropolski, 16 November 2010 15:20)
What is interesting, there are fake hedgehogs all over Kosovo. Because no one would say "ungaropolski", only who does not know anything about Polish language.
Certainly not a case with my sometimes-ally, (and opponent regarding everything about Israel) - Szemi.
By saying "je¿" you won't become Szemi or Ataman automatically - just a clown.
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Sir before posting commnets try to learn something about culture and mentality of people you criticize.
(je¿ ungaropolski, 16 November 2010 15:20)
"Sir", you better open your eyes to see whom you're criticizing, on such a poor base.. In a single sentence and a single signature you managed to make a few grammar (fatal) mistakes. This would be transparent if you were just commenting.., not suggesting someone to learn something he already know.
"ungaropolski"- LOL!!
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@ Peggy
This article isn't about some Mufti.
(Danilo, 16 November 2010 00:40)
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Still trying to escape answering the question.
What's wrong? Too hard for you?
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..Serbia has stolen form them.
(ben, 17 November 2010 16:04)
WHAT?! What should we return that was theirs? Sandzak? Rest of Bosnia? Serbian lands in Croatia? "Macedonia"? Kosovo? Only Montenegro (if cooperative) can exist in the nowdays borders as a second Serb state.. We can always "move the things" over there if we wanted to.
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I don't care since he's driving a Nissan Leaf. My God is way cooler than yours.
(johny, 17 November 2010 19:02)
Why Nissan Leaf?!
Way cooler than that?
I was always against 3 tons of iron for transport of a single person, mostly. Despite I'm not ready for such a small car yet., I consider Nissan Leaf one of the coolest things happened around last 5 years..
My God drives that??
THANK YOU GOD!
Way cooler than that.., give me a brake!
Your "cool" is not cool as my cool, obviously. You chose a diamond to degrade., Nissan Leaf.
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