Number of Kosovo Albanians who seek Albanian citizenship has increased after the EU lifted visa requirements for Albanian citizens, Priština-based media report.
So K-Albanians donk like their newly created "independent" state. If they like much more macedonian, serbian or albanian citizenship - why they organized pseudostate on the territory of Serbia??
"Out-breeding" and or "immigration" is not the topic issue is Passports. Just like Serbs moving to the Balkans centuries ago, or later moving to Austrian Empire lands (Croatia, BH) fleeing from Ottomans, or cleansing BH's RS etc etc. We won't agree on that so we won't continue arguing since history can be interpreted to ones liking.
Anyways to the topic of passports. I still don't see the difference that Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia, and Kosovo Albanians have Albanian citizenship. Now having Serbian citizenship, BH Serbs will have more allegiance to Serbia than BH. Same thing with K-Albanians that don't have and won't have any allegiance to Serbia. Its hard to integrate 2 million people that don't want anything to do with you. Same as Serbs in BH that don't want anything to do with BH. You may say its a double standard, but as I stated earlier, in the present Serbs will only care for Serbs and vice-versa. That's why EU and prospects of entering EU (as much as a lot of y'all hate) helps reconcile for the future generations.
They were part of a country that doesn't exist anymore. A country broke up by civil wars. A country split more or less on ethnic lines"
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Actually everyone split on ethnic lines except the Serbs. So much area in Croatia which was Serbian is never going to be recovered.
RS is in Bosnia where it clearly doesn't want to be but again because it is inhabited by Serbs it will not get the go ahead to break away.
Kosovo on the other had has been Serbian for many centuries and majority of population there were always Serbian. It was only after WW2 that percentage of Serbs to Albanian dropped significantly due to a few circumstances we obviously won't agree on so let's not mention them.
Anyway, it seems like you believe that all a particular ethnic group has to do is outbreed another and presto they can break away and form their own country.
Kosovo never had a status of a republic so it cannot break away no matter how the ethnic landscape looks like. What next then? Start overpopulatin other areas of Serbia and you get another country instantly?
Think about it. This sort of thinking has the potential to change a lot of other countries in the future.
You got the facts wrong again. All people EU wants to return is a little over 20 thousand and most of them are roma.
Of course we will see people trying to abuse visa regime abolishment but they will be in minority.
Also, certainly some of albanians from Kosovo will try to get albanian passports, but since they are not citizens of Albania this attempt will be unsuccessful. Albania will be fully committed to prevent the abuse.
Where do you have such information that US or NATO promised people of Albania wonderland if they chose to populate Kosovo after 1999? This is pure nonsense.
(Simpatiku, 17 November 2010 12:46)
Yes its 200,000 in total and no it’s not just the Roma. During the wars in the 1990s these refugees sought asylum in small numbers at first and the EU accepted them because it suited their propaganda, but when Kosovo exploded the numbers were in their thousands. The reality is that these people were not leaving because of political persecution, but were economic refugees, people seeking a better life for themselves and their children (I don’t blame them as I would do same). They saw an opportunity and took it.
Anyone who says they are “in control of issuing passports” in that part of the Balkans is not telling the truth. The biggest problem is corruption – how is the EU going to tell whether SJ was born in Albania or Kosovo when I have, say Albanian papers that I bought from officials and then lodged and got as Albanian passport? I know a lot of Serbs from Serbia that have left to work in France, Switzerland, Germany etc in the “black market building industry”, working below average wages, even though their passports say NOT ALLOWED TO WORK. No matter what the EU tells you it’s impossible to control and Kosovo has a very large number of unemployed so what do you think the young people are going to do?
The US/NATO never for one moment promised the Albanians anything except so called “freedom and democracy” or their usual BS line. It’s the Albanians that thought once the US, a very rich country, comes into Kosovo they will pave the streets of Prishtina with “bricks of gold”. There will be billion of dollars poured into that region – you know; stuff you see in Hollywood films. America promised you nothing it’s your people that assumed this would happen. To a certain extent your Kosovo politicians did not help because they gave expectations of great things to come.
Of course Albanians from Albania came to Kosovo after 1999 looking for that better life, hoping that billions would be spent there. There were no real border controls at that time.
I wish the EU would give the Albanians in Kosovo visa free travel because they will leave in large numbers, but they will not do that. It’s true that the EU wants to return 200 000 back to Kosovo; these are people who claimed refugee status due to the war in 1999– that is no secret at all.
Now you think logically; the EU wants to return all these people back while at the same time give visa free travel to residents of Kosovo – you might as well just open the doors and don’t bother because people are just going to leave; there is no work or prospects in Kosovo.
Most people , Albanian or Serb living in Kosovo will try to leave and look for work in the EU.
(sj, 17 November 2010 02:35)
SJ
You got the facts wrong again. All people EU wants to return is a little over 20 thousand and most of them are roma.
Of course we will see people trying to abuse visa regime abolishment but they will be in minority.
Also, certainly some of albanians from Kosovo will try to get albanian passports, but since they are not citizens of Albania this attempt will be unsuccessful. Albania will be fully committed to prevent the abuse.
Where do you have such information that US or NATO promised people of Albania wonderland if they chose to populate Kosovo after 1999? This is pure nonsense.
Simple, when did Kosovo ever belong to Albania?
At least all these parts you mention once belonged in a common country.
Dear Peggy,
They were part of a country that doesn't exist anymore. A country broke up by civil wars. A country split more or less on ethnic lines. Ethnicities that no longer wholly respect each other due to the wars and disagreements with each other. Serbs will care more for Serbs, Albanians for Albanians, Croatians for Croatians and so forth. It would be a delusion that its the opposite but it is a farce. At this moment they only have themselves to look upon and hopefully a multicultural union in the future, but not now. I'm not saying that minorities are to be forgotten or rejected, and thats why EU helps here in this regard. We honestly hate each other too much to really distinguish and respect others at this time due to previous altercations. Its the honest truth that always lurks within us and we need to fix it. But in the present everyone thinks that the only ones that will help Serbs are Serbs themselves, so goes for the other ethnicities. Serbs do not want to be ruled by no other than themselves, so they look to Beograd. So it is for the Croatians, Albanians or Bosnians that look to Zagreb, Tirana/Prishtina and Sarajevo respectively. Until we start to respect each other, all above citizens can have passports of their mother countries (to quash a rebuttal, Kosova Albanians don't have Serbia as mother country, also until all its issues are fixed) .
"I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them. "
. After 1945 Albania was around 1 million people; less than a million and a half. Now if from 1945 Albania's population rose to about 1.8 million in 1961 and not decrease due to this fabrication of a great Albanian migration from Albania into Kosova that's in your mind; then where do these extra Albanians come from. How did they end up in Kosova. They didn't come from Albania since its population grew. The answer is simple. There was no migration towards Kosova and this theory is the same sick old theory propagated by extremists and Serb ultra-nationalists as a justification for eradicating Albanians in Kosova. Now you may claim you're not one of them but you sure do sound exactly like them and you sure do espouse their lunatic theories.
Now your second lie. After 1999 the population of Albania not only didn't decrease but it increased. So if there was a wave of such huge numbers then why didn't the population decrease. Instead it went from 3 million to around 3.2 million. The answer again is simple.
Oh really! You said. That is pure lie.
(Simpatiku, 16 November 2010 22:33)
I wish the EU would give the Albanians in Kosovo visa free travel because they will leave in large numbers, but they will not do that. It’s true that the EU wants to return 200 000 back to Kosovo; these are people who claimed refugee status due to the war in 1999– that is no secret at all.
Now you think logically; the EU wants to return all these people back while at the same time give visa free travel to residents of Kosovo – you might as well just open the doors and don’t bother because people are just going to leave; there is no work or prospects in Kosovo.
Most people , Albanian or Serb living in Kosovo will try to leave and look for work in the EU.
How about this for starters; Correct the issues in "real" Albania first, and then maybe consider spreading your "democratic-philosophies" to other nations.
(trudsaam, 16 November 2010)
Never once did I mention that we Albanians were going to spread out "democratic philosophies" to anyone, we've left that job to the Serbs since you guys have done such a good job in the past that even your kin in Montenegro doesn't want have anything to do with you.
We're claiming what's ours and there's nothing you MAcedonia or Greece can do about it. You better worry about Sandzak and Vojvodina.
Once Pristina is under Belgrade's control, the Balkans will eventually turn to stability and extreme views on "greater" anything will all diminish.
(trudsaam, 16 November 2010)
Thanks for ending your rambling with this gem. Gave me a laugh. It's even funnier in a post where you admonishing me for advocating the "Greater Albania" idea.
I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them.
I can just see it now, the EU will build a huge revolving door where they will return 200 000 Albos to Kosovo while giving Albos from Kosovo visa free travel. One 2000 000 in while 1 million out. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that one.
(sj, 16 November 2010 05:43)
I wish you good luck making some Albanian friends soon although none will ever come to Poland anyway..
(miri, 16 November 2010 17:26)
That is good news.Fewer albanians less drugs and no danger that after some years albanians can claim that Cracow is actually an anciant illirian town.Anyway it si not albanian narcoterrorists who can choose wheather someone gets involved in Balkan affairs or not.Once you allowed yanks to be your master and get involved than if someone from europe simply forms a verbal opinion you first listen then try to answer in educated way.Otherwise Hardly ever will you find people in Europe who would like to make friends with you or your turkish brothers.
What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
(trudsaam, 15 November 2010)
Let me spell it out for you what Albanian unification means: All the territories inhabited by Albanians in one country. The most important though is the unification of Albania and Kosova as the territories with the most Albanians. Next is Western Macedonia since it seems like the Macedonians are not keen to peacefully coexist with their ethnic Albanians ctizens. We also like parts of Montenegro and Greece but it seems like Montenegro's Albanians are getting along fine with the Montenegrins and Greece pretty much took care of its "Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
(Zoti)
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Thank you Zoti for you clear explanation of this redundant theory that will soon cease to exist.
Nowhere in my comment did I deny of "hearing" about it, I just wanted to bring to your attention that YOU are the ONLY ones who talk about this "albanian-unification".
How about this for starters; Correct the issues in "real" Albania first, and then maybe consider spreading your "democratic-philosophies" to other nations.
Your theory on this "Great-Albania" is nothing but myth your people have been inheritably conditioned to believe in.
How can one continue to build a house higher and higher when the foundation itself is falling apart?
My suggestion would be to hold back on this "idea" of yours or sooner then later you will loose all the allies you so far have. USA, NATO and the EU would never support an expansion of Islamic-Idealist in South-eastern Europe. Your neighbours; Serbia, Macedonia, and Greece would never allow you to even make the first step in doing so.
Your extremist views have done nothing for the Balkans, it has only served as provocation. Serbs are not foreign to this technique of yours, since provocation has always been your act, and never to act itself.
Once Pristina is under Belgrade's control, the Balkans will eventually turn to stability and extreme views on "greater" anything will all diminish.
We from Albania...love our brothers Kosovars. We will support them any way we can. As we did in 1999 when serbs kick them out...
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What exactly did you support?
When they came back to Albania to seek refuge from the tyrant NATO, you forcibly sent them back to Kosovo.
Mr. Sudyka, you better change you identity then, before someone speaking a "weird" language takes you to a "doctor's office" for a visit.
However the best advise to you would be to stay out of Ballkan affairs, coz you are too weak and fluffy to understand anything.
I wish you good luck making some Albanian friends soon although none will ever come to Poland anyway..
"Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
(Zoti, 16 November 2010 16:17)
What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
(trudsaam, 15 November 2010)
Let me spell it out for you what Albanian unification means: All the territories inhabited by Albanians in one country. The most important though is the unification of Albania and Kosova as the territories with the most Albanians. Next is Western Macedonia since it seems like the Macedonians are not keen to peacefully coexist with their ethnic Albanians ctizens. We also like parts of Montenegro and Greece but it seems like Montenegro's Albanians are getting along fine with the Montenegrins and Greece pretty much took care of its "Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
to sell their "wares" in Europe, with side orders of young females from the Balkans, narcotics from Afghanistan and Turkey, not to mention guns with an Albanian passport than with a Kosovarianish one.
I really think such VISA liberalizations should come into being shortly before a country's membership in the EU.. WHEN IT IS READY!
Unification of all the Albanians lands for starters. I must say they're doing a much better job than their Serb counterpart.
(Zoti, 15 November 2010 19:07)
Yeah, I’ve heard that as well, but they are running dangerously low of eye of newt and wing of bat.
No albanian of Kosovo originates from Albania. In 1999 people came back to their homes after the war caused by serbian state terror.
Therefore albanians of Kosovo are not citizens of Albania and will never get Albanian passports.
I am very glad that your "predictions" of Europe keeping albanians out proved to be nothing more than your wish.
The dialog with Kosovo on visa regime abolishment will begin soon enough.
(Simpatiku, 14 November 2010 23:10)
I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them.
I can just see it now, the EU will build a huge revolving door where they will return 200 000 Albos to Kosovo while giving Albos from Kosovo visa free travel. One 2000 000 in while 1 million out. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that one.
Then why do Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia? That isn't a big deal for y'all right? Then why wouldn't Kosovo Albanians get Albanian passports?
(Mikel, 15 November 2010 17:12)
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Simple, when did Kosovo ever belong to Albania?
At least all these parts you mention once belonged in a common country.
Unification of all the Albanians lands for starters. I must say they're doing a much better job than their Serb counterpart.
(Zoti)
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What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
Don't get it! Albanians in Kosovo wanted independence. If you ask an albanian they got it. Then why on Gods green earth is every k-alb trying to leave their beloved "homeland"? Could it be because Kosovo really isn't albanian?
Then why do Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia? That isn't a big deal for y'all right? Then why wouldn't Kosovo Albanians get Albanian passports?
"Since Kosova is an Albanian province, ... So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
(ben, 15 November 2010 11:38)
"Since Kosova is an Albanian province, ... So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
(ben, 15 November 2010 11:38)
Some people in Kosovo seem to live in a virtual reality.
'Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Said WHO?
Another propaganda from Serbiana media.
(Agim Kelmendi, 14 November 2010 14:00)'
Says Me!
2009, Krusevac; shunted to the back of the queue and ignored as applicants by coach from 'points west' were favoured ahead of my wifes application. It was a long day, sitting in the long grass, listening to the exicited chatter of applicants as they came and went. The prize great
Fortuneatly, a stressed official emerged for a cigarette, saw my wife and started chatting, common ground was found and our application was processed. I believe that was the only ethnic Serbian application that day.
Propaganda? Don;t think so
Just realised! I have only gone and marred my credibility and therefore rendering my statement worthless by admitting my spouse is Serbian. I have been brainwashed and influenced accordingly, forgive me!
Thus the Albanian passport is granted to any Albanian in the world.
Since Kosova is an Albanian province, the Albanian parliament was electing representatives of Kosova since the creation of the Albanian state (that includes the kingdom of Zog and the first Republic in the Balkans of Fan Stilian Noli). This natural political practice was stopped in 1945 when the anti-national communists helped by their Russian and Yugo/Serbian friends violently got into a power.
So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
"Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999"
Why do some of you continue to write such absurdities? Makes you feel better to repeat something you know very well has not the slightest relationship to the truth? Why?
Get used to the facts: it is a widely available easily provable fact that Albanians already constituted the overhelming majority of the population of Kosovo in 1913 when the then province of the Ottoman empire was overrun by another unwanted and univited (by the majority of the pop'n) wanna-be empire to its north.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
(sj, 14 November 2010 21:54)
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Depends on who's considering,
Can't blame them, doesn't mean I like it. Then again, they also went passport shopping in Serbia. Don't mind hard working people coming to the EU, I mind the ones that come in the summer and drive hummers and Audi R8's and say they are a plummer.
Bottom line, they want to live, understandable...
Agim, no, EU propaganda, mainly german, belgiun and swedish since they are the one who sent back plenty of buses with political asylum seekers... Wondering how it is to always keep the head in the sand...
Now hold your horses Hugo ! Albania and BiH are countries, Kosovo is not (according to 1244, UN, EU, OSCE and 121 of the world countries.) Therefore Kosovo CANNOT get this visas, even if Europe would like it. Now, when Europe dont LIKE to give visas to Kosovo, its even more simple. Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway? To get them back with visas like a jojo? I dont believe that at all!
(Staff, 14 November 2010 19:34)
Not long time ago your "reliable" sources told you that Europe does not want to give visas not only to Kosovo but to Albania as well. Now, since that information proved to be a lie, you say Europe does not want to give visas to Kosovo. I wonder what will you say after a year or so when Europe convinces you to be wrong again.
As a matter of fact I will be ashamed to post here if I were you, exactly after ICJ left you down when you claimed that ICJ will rule independence of Kosovo illegal according to your famous "reliable" sources.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
(sj, 14 November 2010 21:54)
SJ
No albanian of Kosovo originates from Albania. In 1999 people came back to their homes after the war caused by serbian state terror.
Therefore albanians of Kosovo are not citizens of Albania and will never get Albanian passports.
I am very glad that your "predictions" of Europe keeping albanians out proved to be nothing more than your wish.
The dialog with Kosovo on visa regime abolishment will begin soon enough.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
"Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway?
(Staff, 14 November 2010 19:34)"
For one thing, not all the people being returned to Kosovo originally came from there. Especially for Roma - the large majority of returnees- who didn't have documents from anywhere, it was easier to get accepted as a political refugee from Kosovo than as an economic refugee from anywhere. Times are hard, budgets are tight even in the richest countries, and understanding for the problems of foreigners is not high anywhere.
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
(dekk, 14 November 2010 17:08)
I think he maintains somewhere between 1-2% accuracy, imagine if he did not have all his "inside" information to rely on.
dekk - you know, I proofread that bit about getting "passports" and missed it entirely. Dumb. The Albanian government is doing a good job, from day 1, of warning its people exactly what they can - and more importantly, not do - under the new provisions. I wonder whether Montenegro did more of that than Serbia and Macedonia, since nobody has complained about them, or whether the population of Montenegro is so small that there simply haven't been enough asylum-seekers to cause a problem?
This is a fore taste of what Serbias isloation of Kosovo will bring. If , as some on this site argue , Serbia should keep Kosovo in a purpetual "black hole" , nature as always following the path of least resistence , will see Kosovo seeking to secure it political , secrurity and economic interests through its neighbour and cultural kin , Albania.
And until this week, the story was that Europe is desperate to keep out all Muslims, and therefore Albania and BiH couldn't expect passports, either. What a difference a couple of days can make.
(Amer, 14 November 2010 15:47)
Well Amer. Its not actually a passport you will recieve. Its a stamp that say 90 days of stay maximum. And not to forget the ultimatum from EU: "If there are an increase of criminality and/or asylum seekers, make no mistake, the visas will be abolished."
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
(dekk, 14 November 2010 17:08)
Now hold your horses Hugo ! Albania and BiH are countries, Kosovo is not (according to 1244, UN, EU, OSCE and 121 of the world countries.) Therefore Kosovo CANNOT get this visas, even if Europe would like it. Now, when Europe dont LIKE to give visas to Kosovo, its even more simple. Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway? To get them back with visas like a jojo? I dont believe that at all!
Kelemendi has his head buried somewhere else besides sand. I guess he missed all the stories this past summer of Albanians and Roma going to the EU, and requesting economic asylum, only to be returned back to Kosovo and Albania. On what country's passports did these asylum seekers use to access EU borders, since they could not use Kosovo or Albanian ones?
Albanian Ambassador to Kosovo Islam Lauka, forgot to mention the easiest and quickest way to gain Albanian citizenship, a large bribe. I hear the Albanian authorities now take Visa and MasterCard. In any case, look out EU, the Albanian asylum train is headed your way, enjoy.
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
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# Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Said WHO?
Another propaganda from Serbiana media.
(Agim Kelmendi, 14 November 2010 14:00)
In all fairness, Bosnian-Croats and Bosnian-Serbs did the same before Bosnia was added to the White Schengen list. Pregnant mothers deliberately crossed the boarders to Croatia and Serbia to give birth so that their children were eligible for a Serbian or Croatian passport/ citizenship.
"I say it again: Europe do not want people from Kosovo into their countries ! Fortunatly, all European police forces have access to data bases with connection to Eulex. From there its easy to control via KPIS system if the person have Kosovo residence.
(Staff, 14 November 2010 13:44) "
And until this week, the story was that Europe is desperate to keep out all Muslims, and therefore Albania and BiH couldn't expect passports, either. What a difference a couple of days can make.
Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Haha..I knew it. Now the K Albanians will start to wangle again. I say it again: Europe do not want people from Kosovo into their countries ! Fortunatly, all European police forces have access to data bases with connection to Eulex. From there its easy to control via KPIS system if the person have Kosovo residence.
Haha..I knew it. Now the K Albanians will start to wangle again. I say it again: Europe do not want people from Kosovo into their countries ! Fortunatly, all European police forces have access to data bases with connection to Eulex. From there its easy to control via KPIS system if the person have Kosovo residence.
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# Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Said WHO?
Another propaganda from Serbiana media.
(Agim Kelmendi, 14 November 2010 14:00)
Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
And until this week, the story was that Europe is desperate to keep out all Muslims, and therefore Albania and BiH couldn't expect passports, either. What a difference a couple of days can make.
(Amer, 14 November 2010 15:47)
Well Amer. Its not actually a passport you will recieve. Its a stamp that say 90 days of stay maximum. And not to forget the ultimatum from EU: "If there are an increase of criminality and/or asylum seekers, make no mistake, the visas will be abolished."
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
(dekk, 14 November 2010 17:08)
Now hold your horses Hugo ! Albania and BiH are countries, Kosovo is not (according to 1244, UN, EU, OSCE and 121 of the world countries.) Therefore Kosovo CANNOT get this visas, even if Europe would like it. Now, when Europe dont LIKE to give visas to Kosovo, its even more simple. Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway? To get them back with visas like a jojo? I dont believe that at all!
Albanian Ambassador to Kosovo Islam Lauka, forgot to mention the easiest and quickest way to gain Albanian citizenship, a large bribe. I hear the Albanian authorities now take Visa and MasterCard. In any case, look out EU, the Albanian asylum train is headed your way, enjoy.
"I say it again: Europe do not want people from Kosovo into their countries ! Fortunatly, all European police forces have access to data bases with connection to Eulex. From there its easy to control via KPIS system if the person have Kosovo residence.
(Staff, 14 November 2010 13:44) "
And until this week, the story was that Europe is desperate to keep out all Muslims, and therefore Albania and BiH couldn't expect passports, either. What a difference a couple of days can make.
Kelemendi has his head buried somewhere else besides sand. I guess he missed all the stories this past summer of Albanians and Roma going to the EU, and requesting economic asylum, only to be returned back to Kosovo and Albania. On what country's passports did these asylum seekers use to access EU borders, since they could not use Kosovo or Albanian ones?
In all fairness, Bosnian-Croats and Bosnian-Serbs did the same before Bosnia was added to the White Schengen list. Pregnant mothers deliberately crossed the boarders to Croatia and Serbia to give birth so that their children were eligible for a Serbian or Croatian passport/ citizenship.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
"Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
(Zoti, 16 November 2010 16:17)
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
"Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999"
Why do some of you continue to write such absurdities? Makes you feel better to repeat something you know very well has not the slightest relationship to the truth? Why?
Get used to the facts: it is a widely available easily provable fact that Albanians already constituted the overhelming majority of the population of Kosovo in 1913 when the then province of the Ottoman empire was overrun by another unwanted and univited (by the majority of the pop'n) wanna-be empire to its north.
Thus the Albanian passport is granted to any Albanian in the world.
Since Kosova is an Albanian province, the Albanian parliament was electing representatives of Kosova since the creation of the Albanian state (that includes the kingdom of Zog and the first Republic in the Balkans of Fan Stilian Noli). This natural political practice was stopped in 1945 when the anti-national communists helped by their Russian and Yugo/Serbian friends violently got into a power.
So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
Then why do Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia? That isn't a big deal for y'all right? Then why wouldn't Kosovo Albanians get Albanian passports?
to sell their "wares" in Europe, with side orders of young females from the Balkans, narcotics from Afghanistan and Turkey, not to mention guns with an Albanian passport than with a Kosovarianish one.
I really think such VISA liberalizations should come into being shortly before a country's membership in the EU.. WHEN IT IS READY!
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
(sj, 14 November 2010 21:54)
SJ
No albanian of Kosovo originates from Albania. In 1999 people came back to their homes after the war caused by serbian state terror.
Therefore albanians of Kosovo are not citizens of Albania and will never get Albanian passports.
I am very glad that your "predictions" of Europe keeping albanians out proved to be nothing more than your wish.
The dialog with Kosovo on visa regime abolishment will begin soon enough.
Now hold your horses Hugo ! Albania and BiH are countries, Kosovo is not (according to 1244, UN, EU, OSCE and 121 of the world countries.) Therefore Kosovo CANNOT get this visas, even if Europe would like it. Now, when Europe dont LIKE to give visas to Kosovo, its even more simple. Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway? To get them back with visas like a jojo? I dont believe that at all!
(Staff, 14 November 2010 19:34)
Not long time ago your "reliable" sources told you that Europe does not want to give visas not only to Kosovo but to Albania as well. Now, since that information proved to be a lie, you say Europe does not want to give visas to Kosovo. I wonder what will you say after a year or so when Europe convinces you to be wrong again.
As a matter of fact I will be ashamed to post here if I were you, exactly after ICJ left you down when you claimed that ICJ will rule independence of Kosovo illegal according to your famous "reliable" sources.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
(sj, 14 November 2010 21:54)
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Depends on who's considering,
Bottom line, they want to live, understandable...
Agim, no, EU propaganda, mainly german, belgiun and swedish since they are the one who sent back plenty of buses with political asylum seekers... Wondering how it is to always keep the head in the sand...
"Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway?
(Staff, 14 November 2010 19:34)"
For one thing, not all the people being returned to Kosovo originally came from there. Especially for Roma - the large majority of returnees- who didn't have documents from anywhere, it was easier to get accepted as a political refugee from Kosovo than as an economic refugee from anywhere. Times are hard, budgets are tight even in the richest countries, and understanding for the problems of foreigners is not high anywhere.
'Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Said WHO?
Another propaganda from Serbiana media.
(Agim Kelmendi, 14 November 2010 14:00)'
Says Me!
2009, Krusevac; shunted to the back of the queue and ignored as applicants by coach from 'points west' were favoured ahead of my wifes application. It was a long day, sitting in the long grass, listening to the exicited chatter of applicants as they came and went. The prize great
Fortuneatly, a stressed official emerged for a cigarette, saw my wife and started chatting, common ground was found and our application was processed. I believe that was the only ethnic Serbian application that day.
Propaganda? Don;t think so
Just realised! I have only gone and marred my credibility and therefore rendering my statement worthless by admitting my spouse is Serbian. I have been brainwashed and influenced accordingly, forgive me!
"Since Kosova is an Albanian province, ... So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
(ben, 15 November 2010 11:38)
Some people in Kosovo seem to live in a virtual reality.
"Since Kosova is an Albanian province, ... So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
(ben, 15 November 2010 11:38)
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
(dekk, 14 November 2010 17:08)
I think he maintains somewhere between 1-2% accuracy, imagine if he did not have all his "inside" information to rely on.
Unification of all the Albanians lands for starters. I must say they're doing a much better job than their Serb counterpart.
(Zoti)
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What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
This is a fore taste of what Serbias isloation of Kosovo will bring. If , as some on this site argue , Serbia should keep Kosovo in a purpetual "black hole" , nature as always following the path of least resistence , will see Kosovo seeking to secure it political , secrurity and economic interests through its neighbour and cultural kin , Albania.
dekk - you know, I proofread that bit about getting "passports" and missed it entirely. Dumb. The Albanian government is doing a good job, from day 1, of warning its people exactly what they can - and more importantly, not do - under the new provisions. I wonder whether Montenegro did more of that than Serbia and Macedonia, since nobody has complained about them, or whether the population of Montenegro is so small that there simply haven't been enough asylum-seekers to cause a problem?
Then why do Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia? That isn't a big deal for y'all right? Then why wouldn't Kosovo Albanians get Albanian passports?
(Mikel, 15 November 2010 17:12)
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Simple, when did Kosovo ever belong to Albania?
At least all these parts you mention once belonged in a common country.
No albanian of Kosovo originates from Albania. In 1999 people came back to their homes after the war caused by serbian state terror.
Therefore albanians of Kosovo are not citizens of Albania and will never get Albanian passports.
I am very glad that your "predictions" of Europe keeping albanians out proved to be nothing more than your wish.
The dialog with Kosovo on visa regime abolishment will begin soon enough.
(Simpatiku, 14 November 2010 23:10)
I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them.
I can just see it now, the EU will build a huge revolving door where they will return 200 000 Albos to Kosovo while giving Albos from Kosovo visa free travel. One 2000 000 in while 1 million out. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that one.
What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
(trudsaam, 15 November 2010)
Let me spell it out for you what Albanian unification means: All the territories inhabited by Albanians in one country. The most important though is the unification of Albania and Kosova as the territories with the most Albanians. Next is Western Macedonia since it seems like the Macedonians are not keen to peacefully coexist with their ethnic Albanians ctizens. We also like parts of Montenegro and Greece but it seems like Montenegro's Albanians are getting along fine with the Montenegrins and Greece pretty much took care of its "Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them.
I can just see it now, the EU will build a huge revolving door where they will return 200 000 Albos to Kosovo while giving Albos from Kosovo visa free travel. One 2000 000 in while 1 million out. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that one.
(sj, 16 November 2010 05:43)
Can't blame them, doesn't mean I like it. Then again, they also went passport shopping in Serbia. Don't mind hard working people coming to the EU, I mind the ones that come in the summer and drive hummers and Audi R8's and say they are a plummer.
Unification of all the Albanians lands for starters. I must say they're doing a much better job than their Serb counterpart.
(Zoti, 15 November 2010 19:07)
Yeah, I’ve heard that as well, but they are running dangerously low of eye of newt and wing of bat.
Don't get it! Albanians in Kosovo wanted independence. If you ask an albanian they got it. Then why on Gods green earth is every k-alb trying to leave their beloved "homeland"? Could it be because Kosovo really isn't albanian?
What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
(trudsaam, 15 November 2010)
Let me spell it out for you what Albanian unification means: All the territories inhabited by Albanians in one country. The most important though is the unification of Albania and Kosova as the territories with the most Albanians. Next is Western Macedonia since it seems like the Macedonians are not keen to peacefully coexist with their ethnic Albanians ctizens. We also like parts of Montenegro and Greece but it seems like Montenegro's Albanians are getting along fine with the Montenegrins and Greece pretty much took care of its "Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
(Zoti)
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Thank you Zoti for you clear explanation of this redundant theory that will soon cease to exist.
Nowhere in my comment did I deny of "hearing" about it, I just wanted to bring to your attention that YOU are the ONLY ones who talk about this "albanian-unification".
How about this for starters; Correct the issues in "real" Albania first, and then maybe consider spreading your "democratic-philosophies" to other nations.
Your theory on this "Great-Albania" is nothing but myth your people have been inheritably conditioned to believe in.
How can one continue to build a house higher and higher when the foundation itself is falling apart?
My suggestion would be to hold back on this "idea" of yours or sooner then later you will loose all the allies you so far have. USA, NATO and the EU would never support an expansion of Islamic-Idealist in South-eastern Europe. Your neighbours; Serbia, Macedonia, and Greece would never allow you to even make the first step in doing so.
Your extremist views have done nothing for the Balkans, it has only served as provocation. Serbs are not foreign to this technique of yours, since provocation has always been your act, and never to act itself.
Once Pristina is under Belgrade's control, the Balkans will eventually turn to stability and extreme views on "greater" anything will all diminish.
I wish you good luck making some Albanian friends soon although none will ever come to Poland anyway..
(miri, 16 November 2010 17:26)
That is good news.Fewer albanians less drugs and no danger that after some years albanians can claim that Cracow is actually an anciant illirian town.Anyway it si not albanian narcoterrorists who can choose wheather someone gets involved in Balkan affairs or not.Once you allowed yanks to be your master and get involved than if someone from europe simply forms a verbal opinion you first listen then try to answer in educated way.Otherwise Hardly ever will you find people in Europe who would like to make friends with you or your turkish brothers.
We from Albania...love our brothers Kosovars. We will support them any way we can. As we did in 1999 when serbs kick them out...
(ard)
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What exactly did you support?
When they came back to Albania to seek refuge from the tyrant NATO, you forcibly sent them back to Kosovo.
Mr. Sudyka, you better change you identity then, before someone speaking a "weird" language takes you to a "doctor's office" for a visit.
However the best advise to you would be to stay out of Ballkan affairs, coz you are too weak and fluffy to understand anything.
I wish you good luck making some Albanian friends soon although none will ever come to Poland anyway..
Oh really! You said. That is pure lie.
(Simpatiku, 16 November 2010 22:33)
I wish the EU would give the Albanians in Kosovo visa free travel because they will leave in large numbers, but they will not do that. It’s true that the EU wants to return 200 000 back to Kosovo; these are people who claimed refugee status due to the war in 1999– that is no secret at all.
Now you think logically; the EU wants to return all these people back while at the same time give visa free travel to residents of Kosovo – you might as well just open the doors and don’t bother because people are just going to leave; there is no work or prospects in Kosovo.
Most people , Albanian or Serb living in Kosovo will try to leave and look for work in the EU.
"I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them. "
. After 1945 Albania was around 1 million people; less than a million and a half. Now if from 1945 Albania's population rose to about 1.8 million in 1961 and not decrease due to this fabrication of a great Albanian migration from Albania into Kosova that's in your mind; then where do these extra Albanians come from. How did they end up in Kosova. They didn't come from Albania since its population grew. The answer is simple. There was no migration towards Kosova and this theory is the same sick old theory propagated by extremists and Serb ultra-nationalists as a justification for eradicating Albanians in Kosova. Now you may claim you're not one of them but you sure do sound exactly like them and you sure do espouse their lunatic theories.
Now your second lie. After 1999 the population of Albania not only didn't decrease but it increased. So if there was a wave of such huge numbers then why didn't the population decrease. Instead it went from 3 million to around 3.2 million. The answer again is simple.
I wish the EU would give the Albanians in Kosovo visa free travel because they will leave in large numbers, but they will not do that. It’s true that the EU wants to return 200 000 back to Kosovo; these are people who claimed refugee status due to the war in 1999– that is no secret at all.
Now you think logically; the EU wants to return all these people back while at the same time give visa free travel to residents of Kosovo – you might as well just open the doors and don’t bother because people are just going to leave; there is no work or prospects in Kosovo.
Most people , Albanian or Serb living in Kosovo will try to leave and look for work in the EU.
(sj, 17 November 2010 02:35)
SJ
You got the facts wrong again. All people EU wants to return is a little over 20 thousand and most of them are roma.
Of course we will see people trying to abuse visa regime abolishment but they will be in minority.
Also, certainly some of albanians from Kosovo will try to get albanian passports, but since they are not citizens of Albania this attempt will be unsuccessful. Albania will be fully committed to prevent the abuse.
Where do you have such information that US or NATO promised people of Albania wonderland if they chose to populate Kosovo after 1999? This is pure nonsense.
How about this for starters; Correct the issues in "real" Albania first, and then maybe consider spreading your "democratic-philosophies" to other nations.
(trudsaam, 16 November 2010)
Never once did I mention that we Albanians were going to spread out "democratic philosophies" to anyone, we've left that job to the Serbs since you guys have done such a good job in the past that even your kin in Montenegro doesn't want have anything to do with you.
We're claiming what's ours and there's nothing you MAcedonia or Greece can do about it. You better worry about Sandzak and Vojvodina.
Once Pristina is under Belgrade's control, the Balkans will eventually turn to stability and extreme views on "greater" anything will all diminish.
(trudsaam, 16 November 2010)
Thanks for ending your rambling with this gem. Gave me a laugh. It's even funnier in a post where you admonishing me for advocating the "Greater Albania" idea.
Simple, when did Kosovo ever belong to Albania?
At least all these parts you mention once belonged in a common country.
Dear Peggy,
They were part of a country that doesn't exist anymore. A country broke up by civil wars. A country split more or less on ethnic lines. Ethnicities that no longer wholly respect each other due to the wars and disagreements with each other. Serbs will care more for Serbs, Albanians for Albanians, Croatians for Croatians and so forth. It would be a delusion that its the opposite but it is a farce. At this moment they only have themselves to look upon and hopefully a multicultural union in the future, but not now. I'm not saying that minorities are to be forgotten or rejected, and thats why EU helps here in this regard. We honestly hate each other too much to really distinguish and respect others at this time due to previous altercations. Its the honest truth that always lurks within us and we need to fix it. But in the present everyone thinks that the only ones that will help Serbs are Serbs themselves, so goes for the other ethnicities. Serbs do not want to be ruled by no other than themselves, so they look to Beograd. So it is for the Croatians, Albanians or Bosnians that look to Zagreb, Tirana/Prishtina and Sarajevo respectively. Until we start to respect each other, all above citizens can have passports of their mother countries (to quash a rebuttal, Kosova Albanians don't have Serbia as mother country, also until all its issues are fixed) .
You got the facts wrong again. All people EU wants to return is a little over 20 thousand and most of them are roma.
Of course we will see people trying to abuse visa regime abolishment but they will be in minority.
Also, certainly some of albanians from Kosovo will try to get albanian passports, but since they are not citizens of Albania this attempt will be unsuccessful. Albania will be fully committed to prevent the abuse.
Where do you have such information that US or NATO promised people of Albania wonderland if they chose to populate Kosovo after 1999? This is pure nonsense.
(Simpatiku, 17 November 2010 12:46)
Yes its 200,000 in total and no it’s not just the Roma. During the wars in the 1990s these refugees sought asylum in small numbers at first and the EU accepted them because it suited their propaganda, but when Kosovo exploded the numbers were in their thousands. The reality is that these people were not leaving because of political persecution, but were economic refugees, people seeking a better life for themselves and their children (I don’t blame them as I would do same). They saw an opportunity and took it.
Anyone who says they are “in control of issuing passports” in that part of the Balkans is not telling the truth. The biggest problem is corruption – how is the EU going to tell whether SJ was born in Albania or Kosovo when I have, say Albanian papers that I bought from officials and then lodged and got as Albanian passport? I know a lot of Serbs from Serbia that have left to work in France, Switzerland, Germany etc in the “black market building industry”, working below average wages, even though their passports say NOT ALLOWED TO WORK. No matter what the EU tells you it’s impossible to control and Kosovo has a very large number of unemployed so what do you think the young people are going to do?
The US/NATO never for one moment promised the Albanians anything except so called “freedom and democracy” or their usual BS line. It’s the Albanians that thought once the US, a very rich country, comes into Kosovo they will pave the streets of Prishtina with “bricks of gold”. There will be billion of dollars poured into that region – you know; stuff you see in Hollywood films. America promised you nothing it’s your people that assumed this would happen. To a certain extent your Kosovo politicians did not help because they gave expectations of great things to come.
Of course Albanians from Albania came to Kosovo after 1999 looking for that better life, hoping that billions would be spent there. There were no real border controls at that time.
They were part of a country that doesn't exist anymore. A country broke up by civil wars. A country split more or less on ethnic lines"
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Actually everyone split on ethnic lines except the Serbs. So much area in Croatia which was Serbian is never going to be recovered.
RS is in Bosnia where it clearly doesn't want to be but again because it is inhabited by Serbs it will not get the go ahead to break away.
Kosovo on the other had has been Serbian for many centuries and majority of population there were always Serbian. It was only after WW2 that percentage of Serbs to Albanian dropped significantly due to a few circumstances we obviously won't agree on so let's not mention them.
Anyway, it seems like you believe that all a particular ethnic group has to do is outbreed another and presto they can break away and form their own country.
Kosovo never had a status of a republic so it cannot break away no matter how the ethnic landscape looks like. What next then? Start overpopulatin other areas of Serbia and you get another country instantly?
Think about it. This sort of thinking has the potential to change a lot of other countries in the future.
"Out-breeding" and or "immigration" is not the topic issue is Passports. Just like Serbs moving to the Balkans centuries ago, or later moving to Austrian Empire lands (Croatia, BH) fleeing from Ottomans, or cleansing BH's RS etc etc. We won't agree on that so we won't continue arguing since history can be interpreted to ones liking.
Anyways to the topic of passports. I still don't see the difference that Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia, and Kosovo Albanians have Albanian citizenship. Now having Serbian citizenship, BH Serbs will have more allegiance to Serbia than BH. Same thing with K-Albanians that don't have and won't have any allegiance to Serbia. Its hard to integrate 2 million people that don't want anything to do with you. Same as Serbs in BH that don't want anything to do with BH. You may say its a double standard, but as I stated earlier, in the present Serbs will only care for Serbs and vice-versa. That's why EU and prospects of entering EU (as much as a lot of y'all hate) helps reconcile for the future generations.
So K-Albanians donk like their newly created "independent" state. If they like much more macedonian, serbian or albanian citizenship - why they organized pseudostate on the territory of Serbia??
Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Haha..I knew it. Now the K Albanians will start to wangle again. I say it again: Europe do not want people from Kosovo into their countries ! Fortunatly, all European police forces have access to data bases with connection to Eulex. From there its easy to control via KPIS system if the person have Kosovo residence.
"I say it again: Europe do not want people from Kosovo into their countries ! Fortunatly, all European police forces have access to data bases with connection to Eulex. From there its easy to control via KPIS system if the person have Kosovo residence.
(Staff, 14 November 2010 13:44) "
And until this week, the story was that Europe is desperate to keep out all Muslims, and therefore Albania and BiH couldn't expect passports, either. What a difference a couple of days can make.
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
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# Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Said WHO?
Another propaganda from Serbiana media.
(Agim Kelmendi, 14 November 2010 14:00)
This is a fore taste of what Serbias isloation of Kosovo will bring. If , as some on this site argue , Serbia should keep Kosovo in a purpetual "black hole" , nature as always following the path of least resistence , will see Kosovo seeking to secure it political , secrurity and economic interests through its neighbour and cultural kin , Albania.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
Albanian Ambassador to Kosovo Islam Lauka, forgot to mention the easiest and quickest way to gain Albanian citizenship, a large bribe. I hear the Albanian authorities now take Visa and MasterCard. In any case, look out EU, the Albanian asylum train is headed your way, enjoy.
"Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway?
(Staff, 14 November 2010 19:34)"
For one thing, not all the people being returned to Kosovo originally came from there. Especially for Roma - the large majority of returnees- who didn't have documents from anywhere, it was easier to get accepted as a political refugee from Kosovo than as an economic refugee from anywhere. Times are hard, budgets are tight even in the richest countries, and understanding for the problems of foreigners is not high anywhere.
dekk - you know, I proofread that bit about getting "passports" and missed it entirely. Dumb. The Albanian government is doing a good job, from day 1, of warning its people exactly what they can - and more importantly, not do - under the new provisions. I wonder whether Montenegro did more of that than Serbia and Macedonia, since nobody has complained about them, or whether the population of Montenegro is so small that there simply haven't been enough asylum-seekers to cause a problem?
And until this week, the story was that Europe is desperate to keep out all Muslims, and therefore Albania and BiH couldn't expect passports, either. What a difference a couple of days can make.
(Amer, 14 November 2010 15:47)
Well Amer. Its not actually a passport you will recieve. Its a stamp that say 90 days of stay maximum. And not to forget the ultimatum from EU: "If there are an increase of criminality and/or asylum seekers, make no mistake, the visas will be abolished."
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
(dekk, 14 November 2010 17:08)
Now hold your horses Hugo ! Albania and BiH are countries, Kosovo is not (according to 1244, UN, EU, OSCE and 121 of the world countries.) Therefore Kosovo CANNOT get this visas, even if Europe would like it. Now, when Europe dont LIKE to give visas to Kosovo, its even more simple. Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway? To get them back with visas like a jojo? I dont believe that at all!
Thus the Albanian passport is granted to any Albanian in the world.
Since Kosova is an Albanian province, the Albanian parliament was electing representatives of Kosova since the creation of the Albanian state (that includes the kingdom of Zog and the first Republic in the Balkans of Fan Stilian Noli). This natural political practice was stopped in 1945 when the anti-national communists helped by their Russian and Yugo/Serbian friends violently got into a power.
So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
(trudsaam, 15 November 2010)
Let me spell it out for you what Albanian unification means: All the territories inhabited by Albanians in one country. The most important though is the unification of Albania and Kosova as the territories with the most Albanians. Next is Western Macedonia since it seems like the Macedonians are not keen to peacefully coexist with their ethnic Albanians ctizens. We also like parts of Montenegro and Greece but it seems like Montenegro's Albanians are getting along fine with the Montenegrins and Greece pretty much took care of its "Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
Now, based on Staff's comment and matching his usual comments to the real outcome of the events, I expect the process of visa liberalization for Kosovo to begin soon, at least much sooner than I expected.
(dekk, 14 November 2010 17:08)
I think he maintains somewhere between 1-2% accuracy, imagine if he did not have all his "inside" information to rely on.
"Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999"
Why do some of you continue to write such absurdities? Makes you feel better to repeat something you know very well has not the slightest relationship to the truth? Why?
Get used to the facts: it is a widely available easily provable fact that Albanians already constituted the overhelming majority of the population of Kosovo in 1913 when the then province of the Ottoman empire was overrun by another unwanted and univited (by the majority of the pop'n) wanna-be empire to its north.
In all fairness, Bosnian-Croats and Bosnian-Serbs did the same before Bosnia was added to the White Schengen list. Pregnant mothers deliberately crossed the boarders to Croatia and Serbia to give birth so that their children were eligible for a Serbian or Croatian passport/ citizenship.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
(sj, 14 November 2010 21:54)
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Depends on who's considering,
Kelemendi has his head buried somewhere else besides sand. I guess he missed all the stories this past summer of Albanians and Roma going to the EU, and requesting economic asylum, only to be returned back to Kosovo and Albania. On what country's passports did these asylum seekers use to access EU borders, since they could not use Kosovo or Albanian ones?
Now hold your horses Hugo ! Albania and BiH are countries, Kosovo is not (according to 1244, UN, EU, OSCE and 121 of the world countries.) Therefore Kosovo CANNOT get this visas, even if Europe would like it. Now, when Europe dont LIKE to give visas to Kosovo, its even more simple. Why do you think between 50-100 people each week are sent back to Kosovo, mainly from Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway? To get them back with visas like a jojo? I dont believe that at all!
(Staff, 14 November 2010 19:34)
Not long time ago your "reliable" sources told you that Europe does not want to give visas not only to Kosovo but to Albania as well. Now, since that information proved to be a lie, you say Europe does not want to give visas to Kosovo. I wonder what will you say after a year or so when Europe convinces you to be wrong again.
As a matter of fact I will be ashamed to post here if I were you, exactly after ICJ left you down when you claimed that ICJ will rule independence of Kosovo illegal according to your famous "reliable" sources.
Considering most “Kosovars’ are Albanians from Albania that either arrived after 1945 or more recently 1999 expecting to see the US pave the streets of Pristina in gold, watch they exodus start from a trickle into a tsunami for Albanian passports.
(sj, 14 November 2010 21:54)
SJ
No albanian of Kosovo originates from Albania. In 1999 people came back to their homes after the war caused by serbian state terror.
Therefore albanians of Kosovo are not citizens of Albania and will never get Albanian passports.
I am very glad that your "predictions" of Europe keeping albanians out proved to be nothing more than your wish.
The dialog with Kosovo on visa regime abolishment will begin soon enough.
Mr. Sudyka, you better change you identity then, before someone speaking a "weird" language takes you to a "doctor's office" for a visit.
However the best advise to you would be to stay out of Ballkan affairs, coz you are too weak and fluffy to understand anything.
I wish you good luck making some Albanian friends soon although none will ever come to Poland anyway..
"Since Kosova is an Albanian province, ... So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
(ben, 15 November 2010 11:38)
Some people in Kosovo seem to live in a virtual reality.
Bottom line, they want to live, understandable...
Agim, no, EU propaganda, mainly german, belgiun and swedish since they are the one who sent back plenty of buses with political asylum seekers... Wondering how it is to always keep the head in the sand...
"Since Kosova is an Albanian province, ... So what is so strange in giving the passport to your own blood in another province???
(ben, 15 November 2010 11:38)
Unification of all the Albanians lands for starters. I must say they're doing a much better job than their Serb counterpart.
(Zoti)
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What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them.
I can just see it now, the EU will build a huge revolving door where they will return 200 000 Albos to Kosovo while giving Albos from Kosovo visa free travel. One 2000 000 in while 1 million out. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that one.
(sj, 16 November 2010 05:43)
'Before they started to apply for Albanian citizenship, Kosovo Albanians had been in large numbers seeking citizenship of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro since the EU lifted visa regime for these countries’ citizens last year.
Said WHO?
Another propaganda from Serbiana media.
(Agim Kelmendi, 14 November 2010 14:00)'
Says Me!
2009, Krusevac; shunted to the back of the queue and ignored as applicants by coach from 'points west' were favoured ahead of my wifes application. It was a long day, sitting in the long grass, listening to the exicited chatter of applicants as they came and went. The prize great
Fortuneatly, a stressed official emerged for a cigarette, saw my wife and started chatting, common ground was found and our application was processed. I believe that was the only ethnic Serbian application that day.
Propaganda? Don;t think so
Just realised! I have only gone and marred my credibility and therefore rendering my statement worthless by admitting my spouse is Serbian. I have been brainwashed and influenced accordingly, forgive me!
Then why do Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia? That isn't a big deal for y'all right? Then why wouldn't Kosovo Albanians get Albanian passports?
Don't get it! Albanians in Kosovo wanted independence. If you ask an albanian they got it. Then why on Gods green earth is every k-alb trying to leave their beloved "homeland"? Could it be because Kosovo really isn't albanian?
to sell their "wares" in Europe, with side orders of young females from the Balkans, narcotics from Afghanistan and Turkey, not to mention guns with an Albanian passport than with a Kosovarianish one.
I really think such VISA liberalizations should come into being shortly before a country's membership in the EU.. WHEN IT IS READY!
Can't blame them, doesn't mean I like it. Then again, they also went passport shopping in Serbia. Don't mind hard working people coming to the EU, I mind the ones that come in the summer and drive hummers and Audi R8's and say they are a plummer.
We from Albania...love our brothers Kosovars. We will support them any way we can. As we did in 1999 when serbs kick them out...
(ard)
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What exactly did you support?
When they came back to Albania to seek refuge from the tyrant NATO, you forcibly sent them back to Kosovo.
Then why do Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia? That isn't a big deal for y'all right? Then why wouldn't Kosovo Albanians get Albanian passports?
(Mikel, 15 November 2010 17:12)
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Simple, when did Kosovo ever belong to Albania?
At least all these parts you mention once belonged in a common country.
No albanian of Kosovo originates from Albania. In 1999 people came back to their homes after the war caused by serbian state terror.
Therefore albanians of Kosovo are not citizens of Albania and will never get Albanian passports.
I am very glad that your "predictions" of Europe keeping albanians out proved to be nothing more than your wish.
The dialog with Kosovo on visa regime abolishment will begin soon enough.
(Simpatiku, 14 November 2010 23:10)
I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them.
I can just see it now, the EU will build a huge revolving door where they will return 200 000 Albos to Kosovo while giving Albos from Kosovo visa free travel. One 2000 000 in while 1 million out. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that one.
Unification of all the Albanians lands for starters. I must say they're doing a much better job than their Serb counterpart.
(Zoti, 15 November 2010 19:07)
Yeah, I’ve heard that as well, but they are running dangerously low of eye of newt and wing of bat.
"Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
(Zoti, 16 November 2010 16:17)
What are you talking about? Kosovo-Albanians or in actual reality Serbo-Albanians are the ONLY ones who talk about Albanian-unification.
Not 1 other nation on this globe we live in will support such a disaster of a theory.
(trudsaam, 15 November 2010)
Let me spell it out for you what Albanian unification means: All the territories inhabited by Albanians in one country. The most important though is the unification of Albania and Kosova as the territories with the most Albanians. Next is Western Macedonia since it seems like the Macedonians are not keen to peacefully coexist with their ethnic Albanians ctizens. We also like parts of Montenegro and Greece but it seems like Montenegro's Albanians are getting along fine with the Montenegrins and Greece pretty much took care of its "Albanian problem" after WWII when it exterminated and drove out whatever was left of Albanians in Chameria (Northern Greece).
(Zoti)
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Thank you Zoti for you clear explanation of this redundant theory that will soon cease to exist.
Nowhere in my comment did I deny of "hearing" about it, I just wanted to bring to your attention that YOU are the ONLY ones who talk about this "albanian-unification".
How about this for starters; Correct the issues in "real" Albania first, and then maybe consider spreading your "democratic-philosophies" to other nations.
Your theory on this "Great-Albania" is nothing but myth your people have been inheritably conditioned to believe in.
How can one continue to build a house higher and higher when the foundation itself is falling apart?
My suggestion would be to hold back on this "idea" of yours or sooner then later you will loose all the allies you so far have. USA, NATO and the EU would never support an expansion of Islamic-Idealist in South-eastern Europe. Your neighbours; Serbia, Macedonia, and Greece would never allow you to even make the first step in doing so.
Your extremist views have done nothing for the Balkans, it has only served as provocation. Serbs are not foreign to this technique of yours, since provocation has always been your act, and never to act itself.
Once Pristina is under Belgrade's control, the Balkans will eventually turn to stability and extreme views on "greater" anything will all diminish.
I wish you good luck making some Albanian friends soon although none will ever come to Poland anyway..
(miri, 16 November 2010 17:26)
That is good news.Fewer albanians less drugs and no danger that after some years albanians can claim that Cracow is actually an anciant illirian town.Anyway it si not albanian narcoterrorists who can choose wheather someone gets involved in Balkan affairs or not.Once you allowed yanks to be your master and get involved than if someone from europe simply forms a verbal opinion you first listen then try to answer in educated way.Otherwise Hardly ever will you find people in Europe who would like to make friends with you or your turkish brothers.
Simple, when did Kosovo ever belong to Albania?
At least all these parts you mention once belonged in a common country.
Dear Peggy,
They were part of a country that doesn't exist anymore. A country broke up by civil wars. A country split more or less on ethnic lines. Ethnicities that no longer wholly respect each other due to the wars and disagreements with each other. Serbs will care more for Serbs, Albanians for Albanians, Croatians for Croatians and so forth. It would be a delusion that its the opposite but it is a farce. At this moment they only have themselves to look upon and hopefully a multicultural union in the future, but not now. I'm not saying that minorities are to be forgotten or rejected, and thats why EU helps here in this regard. We honestly hate each other too much to really distinguish and respect others at this time due to previous altercations. Its the honest truth that always lurks within us and we need to fix it. But in the present everyone thinks that the only ones that will help Serbs are Serbs themselves, so goes for the other ethnicities. Serbs do not want to be ruled by no other than themselves, so they look to Beograd. So it is for the Croatians, Albanians or Bosnians that look to Zagreb, Tirana/Prishtina and Sarajevo respectively. Until we start to respect each other, all above citizens can have passports of their mother countries (to quash a rebuttal, Kosova Albanians don't have Serbia as mother country, also until all its issues are fixed) .
How about this for starters; Correct the issues in "real" Albania first, and then maybe consider spreading your "democratic-philosophies" to other nations.
(trudsaam, 16 November 2010)
Never once did I mention that we Albanians were going to spread out "democratic philosophies" to anyone, we've left that job to the Serbs since you guys have done such a good job in the past that even your kin in Montenegro doesn't want have anything to do with you.
We're claiming what's ours and there's nothing you MAcedonia or Greece can do about it. You better worry about Sandzak and Vojvodina.
Once Pristina is under Belgrade's control, the Balkans will eventually turn to stability and extreme views on "greater" anything will all diminish.
(trudsaam, 16 November 2010)
Thanks for ending your rambling with this gem. Gave me a laugh. It's even funnier in a post where you admonishing me for advocating the "Greater Albania" idea.
Oh really! You said. That is pure lie.
(Simpatiku, 16 November 2010 22:33)
I wish the EU would give the Albanians in Kosovo visa free travel because they will leave in large numbers, but they will not do that. It’s true that the EU wants to return 200 000 back to Kosovo; these are people who claimed refugee status due to the war in 1999– that is no secret at all.
Now you think logically; the EU wants to return all these people back while at the same time give visa free travel to residents of Kosovo – you might as well just open the doors and don’t bother because people are just going to leave; there is no work or prospects in Kosovo.
Most people , Albanian or Serb living in Kosovo will try to leave and look for work in the EU.
"I said the majority of Albanians in Kosovo came after 1945 escaping communist rule and Tito accepted them with open arms giving them 3 pairs of suits, shoes etc and free accommodation. The next wave occurred after the war in 1999 – not returning Albos living in Kosovo, but Albanians thinking the US would throw money at them. "
. After 1945 Albania was around 1 million people; less than a million and a half. Now if from 1945 Albania's population rose to about 1.8 million in 1961 and not decrease due to this fabrication of a great Albanian migration from Albania into Kosova that's in your mind; then where do these extra Albanians come from. How did they end up in Kosova. They didn't come from Albania since its population grew. The answer is simple. There was no migration towards Kosova and this theory is the same sick old theory propagated by extremists and Serb ultra-nationalists as a justification for eradicating Albanians in Kosova. Now you may claim you're not one of them but you sure do sound exactly like them and you sure do espouse their lunatic theories.
Now your second lie. After 1999 the population of Albania not only didn't decrease but it increased. So if there was a wave of such huge numbers then why didn't the population decrease. Instead it went from 3 million to around 3.2 million. The answer again is simple.
I wish the EU would give the Albanians in Kosovo visa free travel because they will leave in large numbers, but they will not do that. It’s true that the EU wants to return 200 000 back to Kosovo; these are people who claimed refugee status due to the war in 1999– that is no secret at all.
Now you think logically; the EU wants to return all these people back while at the same time give visa free travel to residents of Kosovo – you might as well just open the doors and don’t bother because people are just going to leave; there is no work or prospects in Kosovo.
Most people , Albanian or Serb living in Kosovo will try to leave and look for work in the EU.
(sj, 17 November 2010 02:35)
SJ
You got the facts wrong again. All people EU wants to return is a little over 20 thousand and most of them are roma.
Of course we will see people trying to abuse visa regime abolishment but they will be in minority.
Also, certainly some of albanians from Kosovo will try to get albanian passports, but since they are not citizens of Albania this attempt will be unsuccessful. Albania will be fully committed to prevent the abuse.
Where do you have such information that US or NATO promised people of Albania wonderland if they chose to populate Kosovo after 1999? This is pure nonsense.
You got the facts wrong again. All people EU wants to return is a little over 20 thousand and most of them are roma.
Of course we will see people trying to abuse visa regime abolishment but they will be in minority.
Also, certainly some of albanians from Kosovo will try to get albanian passports, but since they are not citizens of Albania this attempt will be unsuccessful. Albania will be fully committed to prevent the abuse.
Where do you have such information that US or NATO promised people of Albania wonderland if they chose to populate Kosovo after 1999? This is pure nonsense.
(Simpatiku, 17 November 2010 12:46)
Yes its 200,000 in total and no it’s not just the Roma. During the wars in the 1990s these refugees sought asylum in small numbers at first and the EU accepted them because it suited their propaganda, but when Kosovo exploded the numbers were in their thousands. The reality is that these people were not leaving because of political persecution, but were economic refugees, people seeking a better life for themselves and their children (I don’t blame them as I would do same). They saw an opportunity and took it.
Anyone who says they are “in control of issuing passports” in that part of the Balkans is not telling the truth. The biggest problem is corruption – how is the EU going to tell whether SJ was born in Albania or Kosovo when I have, say Albanian papers that I bought from officials and then lodged and got as Albanian passport? I know a lot of Serbs from Serbia that have left to work in France, Switzerland, Germany etc in the “black market building industry”, working below average wages, even though their passports say NOT ALLOWED TO WORK. No matter what the EU tells you it’s impossible to control and Kosovo has a very large number of unemployed so what do you think the young people are going to do?
The US/NATO never for one moment promised the Albanians anything except so called “freedom and democracy” or their usual BS line. It’s the Albanians that thought once the US, a very rich country, comes into Kosovo they will pave the streets of Prishtina with “bricks of gold”. There will be billion of dollars poured into that region – you know; stuff you see in Hollywood films. America promised you nothing it’s your people that assumed this would happen. To a certain extent your Kosovo politicians did not help because they gave expectations of great things to come.
Of course Albanians from Albania came to Kosovo after 1999 looking for that better life, hoping that billions would be spent there. There were no real border controls at that time.
They were part of a country that doesn't exist anymore. A country broke up by civil wars. A country split more or less on ethnic lines"
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Actually everyone split on ethnic lines except the Serbs. So much area in Croatia which was Serbian is never going to be recovered.
RS is in Bosnia where it clearly doesn't want to be but again because it is inhabited by Serbs it will not get the go ahead to break away.
Kosovo on the other had has been Serbian for many centuries and majority of population there were always Serbian. It was only after WW2 that percentage of Serbs to Albanian dropped significantly due to a few circumstances we obviously won't agree on so let's not mention them.
Anyway, it seems like you believe that all a particular ethnic group has to do is outbreed another and presto they can break away and form their own country.
Kosovo never had a status of a republic so it cannot break away no matter how the ethnic landscape looks like. What next then? Start overpopulatin other areas of Serbia and you get another country instantly?
Think about it. This sort of thinking has the potential to change a lot of other countries in the future.
"Out-breeding" and or "immigration" is not the topic issue is Passports. Just like Serbs moving to the Balkans centuries ago, or later moving to Austrian Empire lands (Croatia, BH) fleeing from Ottomans, or cleansing BH's RS etc etc. We won't agree on that so we won't continue arguing since history can be interpreted to ones liking.
Anyways to the topic of passports. I still don't see the difference that Serbs and Croatians in Bosnia or Serbs in Montenegro have passports from Serbia and Croatia, and Kosovo Albanians have Albanian citizenship. Now having Serbian citizenship, BH Serbs will have more allegiance to Serbia than BH. Same thing with K-Albanians that don't have and won't have any allegiance to Serbia. Its hard to integrate 2 million people that don't want anything to do with you. Same as Serbs in BH that don't want anything to do with BH. You may say its a double standard, but as I stated earlier, in the present Serbs will only care for Serbs and vice-versa. That's why EU and prospects of entering EU (as much as a lot of y'all hate) helps reconcile for the future generations.
So K-Albanians donk like their newly created "independent" state. If they like much more macedonian, serbian or albanian citizenship - why they organized pseudostate on the territory of Serbia??
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