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Tuesday, 09.11.2010.

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UK envoy: Serbs should take part in elections

British Ambassador to Serbia Stephen Wordsworth says Serbs in Kosovo should take part in the forthcoming elections there.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

"This is not "AID" as you would like to think. Serbia military industry exports guns to the United States, many to the military camp in Ohio and this is simply a good will exchange of training.
(Jugoslavija, 9 November 2010 23:26) "

Good try.

johny

pre 13 godina

The difference is that Serbia is not dependant on hand outs and can survive without them. Kosovo cannot and never could under the Federal republic of Yugoslavia, so called equalization payments streamed out of primarily Croatia and Slovenia into the black hole of Kosovo. The EU and IMF are not responsible for dumping more money into the black hole; rent for Camp Bondsteel.
(Jugoslavija, 9 November 2010 23:22)

Only in the last two months with all the loans I've read here on B92 Serbia has gotten around 3 billion dollars. That is a huge handout; and if you could survive without those you wouldn't take it.
Second, if Kosova is and has always been a black hole where is the logic for your desperate attempt to keep it. There are no benefits whatsoever to desperatley trying to hold a black hole. So what we're left with are two options.
1. Kosova is not a black whole and that's why you desperately want it.
2. Kosova will not be a black hole once Albanians are removed from there, and that's why you desperately want it.

Does the second point remind you of anything. Get real Jugoslavija; phrases ain't gonna get it back for you.
If anything since the US and EU is burying massive amounts of money in Serbia then Serbia is a black hole; and I see nobody desperately and ignorantly trying to claim sovereignty over Serbia. That is a more believable argument than claiming something is, has always been and will always be a black hole but I desperately want it. This fails the test of logic every single time.

nik

pre 13 godina

All borders in the balkans were drawn arbitrarily. None more so than those of Serbia with its neighbors. Were the Hungarians of Northern Vojvodina ever allowed to vote to rejoin Hungary? Or the Bulgarians of "Dimitrovgrad". Now the Serbs in Northern Kosovo share the same predicament. If this helps the Serbs to change their attitude towards their neighbors, the history of the next century will be better than the one of the last 100 years

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

The difference is that Serbia is not dependant on hand outs and can survive without them. Kosovo cannot and never could under the Federal republic of Yugoslavia, so called equalization payments streamed out of primarily Croatia and Slovenia into the black hole of Kosovo. The EU and IMF are not responsible for dumping more money into the black hole; rent for Camp Bondsteel.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

This is not "AID" as you would like to think. Serbia military industry exports guns to the United States, many to the military camp in Ohio and this is simply a good will exchange of training.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Look, the British Ambassador to Serbia has every right to comment on matters within Serbia's territory. If he would like Serbians to participate in parallel elections organised by ethnic Albanians then he is free to express his opinion but I doubt he will have much influence.

The simple fact remains that Serbians are not avoiding elections as they participate in the legitimate ones organised by Belgrade. Ethnic Albanians have held parallel elections for decades so what's new? They have theirs and we have ours.

Now lets see if "dialogue" can assist with unifying elections at some point in the future but now is not that time.

Denis

pre 13 godina

Typical Balkan style mentality. No one backs off an inch. There is really nothing wrong for Kosovo Serbs to vote. If you think about it, they would have voted in such elections even if Kosovo had substantial autonomy.


Frankly I don't give a big beep if Serbs participate or not. There are other more important things, to focus on.

Je¿ ibarsky

pre 13 godina

Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.
(Amer, 9 November 2010 16:21)

There is of course a down-to-Earth approach, too. Let me answer you using (some) Texas slang. The implications of elections in North (America) going literally "south" (in some cases it could mean: a major country is electing a born-again village idiot from Texas) are far greater than elections in southern part of a minor East European country going (or not going) north (of Ibar).

Bob

pre 13 godina

He does not talk like a friend of Serbia. He talks like someone who is painted into a corner.

I would suggest that those in the north vote to separate from Kosovo (as I understand it, the north was only put into Kosovo relatively recently by Tito). They could then vote to retain the status quo - being part of Serbia. The British ambassador would find it very easy to support that vote (wouldn't he?).

Serbs in the south need more babies! (That's mainly how the Albanians changed the voting balance - along with ethnically cleansing Serbs).

The ambassador says: "Serbia is determined not to recognize Kosovo's independence, while the UK has done so". "This is something that cannot be overcome at this time".

It could be overcome in time…. with lots of babies….. even the British ambassador would be able to change his mind!

… all things are possible …. there is time yet!

sj

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

Yep, that money is coming from the same pot as all of the US’s other promises which are meaningless and empty. It’s the usual US BS; promising to hand out money that it does not have. Perhaps the US might keep that assistance and help employ some of the 30 million plus unemployed in the US.

Can you imagine that Obama is making promises to India to secure it a permanent seat on the UNSC if India invests 1 billion dollars to employ 35,000 Americans. The US does not have the money to employ its people, but it will hand out aid to Serbia. What a laugh.

Je¿ ibarsky

pre 13 godina

Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.
(Amer, 9 November 2010 16:21)

There is of course a down-to-Earth approach, too. Let me answer you using (some) Texas slang. The implications of elections in North (America) going literally "south" (in some cases it could mean: a major country is electing a born-again village idiot from Texas) are far greater than elections in southern part of a minor East European country going (or not going) north (of Ibar).

Amer

pre 13 godina

"You should go ahead and vote in Pristina's election, Amer, that is if you are a citizen? If not, then your opinion means little. I hold Serbian citizenship, and have very strong feelings as to what happens in KiM. Actually, I would cast my vote through the gun barrel of a tank.
(winston, 9 November 2010 19:36) "

I'll withhold my opinion on matters Serbian and Albanian when B92 stops inviting it by offering talk-back sites in English (American variety). Or when then rest of the world refrains from commenting on American affairs. Fair?

The UK Ambassador actually has a right to comment, since Serbia has applied for EU membership and has agreed to meet EU requirements. You can expect more comments, and more critical ones at that, as the process moves forward. Brace yourself.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

The Albanians live on handouts and contributions from foreign nations, they are overseen every step by Eulex and UNMIK so, what could they possibly have to offer the Serbs in KiM?
(winston, 9 November 2010 18:03)

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.

winston

pre 13 godina

You should go ahead and vote in Pristina's election, Amer, that is if you are a citizen? If not, then your opinion means little. I hold Serbian citizenship, and have very strong feelings as to what happens in KiM. Actually, I would cast my vote through the gun barrel of a tank.

IUPM

pre 13 godina

Why didn't the British Amb say "Once we get the K Albanians to stop digging up the remains of buried Serbs in Kosovo, and scattering them around the cemeteries, I suggest then that local Serbs vote in Pristina's election? Amb., you can hardly call Kosovo a multi-ethnic society, just because there are still some Serbs left there, that weren't driven out by the Albanians. It must be great to go through life with those rose-colored glasses of yours, Wordsworth.

winston

pre 13 godina

What about the serbian graves your contrymen dug up in KiM, Dino. Are you denying that too? Or maybe you support and encourage it. In either case, blind nationalists like you will find a way to justify even these despicable acts, committed against the dead and buried.

winston

pre 13 godina

Goodbye, Wordswoth, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. And please, do not send anyone from decrepit England to replace you. As for KiM, negotiations on status, and many technical issues must be discussed, by Belgrade and the EU, before there is any kind of participation in Pristina's elections, if ever. Let's not put the horse in front of the cart. Pristina has zero to offer the Serbs in KiM, anyway. The Albanians live on handouts and contributions from foreign nations, they are overseen every step by Eulex and UNMIK so, what could they possibly have to offer the Serbs in KiM?

johny

pre 13 godina

here is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...
(Petar Jovanovic"

-- How can a Kosova Albanian profess loyalty to a constitution for which he was denied the right to vote?

How about you profess loyalty to the North Korean Constitution.

michael

pre 13 godina

Where do they get this right telling other nationals what to do in their country? Where does this authority come from? I don't remember the Chinese or Russians ever telling the Americans that they should participate in the Mid Term Elections here in the US. The arrogance of such nations is astonishing. Did the British FM suggest a get out the vote in Harlem?

By not voting...Serbs are participating, it's called a boycott of an illegal seizure of their land by a foreign military aggression.

Patrik

pre 13 godina

I think it would be wise for the residents to vote and probably try to get some of their own elected through a show of unity. However, as someone else opined this is totally up to the residents involved and no one else should tell them what to do. They have to live there.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"I think, anyone who does not have or did not had earlier Serbian and/or Kosovo citizenship should remain silent. It is their domestic issue and we, foreigners should just shut up - to allow voting or non-voting or what they decide to be fair. "

Oh come on, Hedgehog - if Serbs felt it was a private matter, B92 would keep it on the Serbian site, where they put all the info of interest only to people living in Serbia - the price of bread, local murders, etc. It's an international site, where people express their international views. Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.

Anyway, my vote is for everybody to vote. Look what happened to the Sunnis in Iraq when they decided to ostentatiously sit out the first election - decisions affecting them still got made, just without any Sunni input. Waiting for someone or something to come along and give you justice just doesn't work out very well in this world.

M

pre 13 godina

Wonder if the forthcomming meeting in Serbia Wordsworth might hint when the UK intends to remove visa's for Serbian citizens. It may be a gesgure of goodwill!

Ark I

pre 13 godina

The west is hoping for a propaganda opportunity so they can spread throughout their news stations that Serbs came out to vote in the wonderful multiethnic Kosovo. Too bad they won't get their propaganda opportunity, but they will probably still try to get it by exaggerating the news if any amount of Serbs do happen to vote.

Ron

pre 13 godina

Question: must Georgians take part in Abkhazian elections? Must Greek Cypriots take part in Northern Cyprs elections? Must Somalis take part in Somalilands elections?
And so on!

No double standards please!

Je¿ wybor(owy)

pre 13 godina

I think, anyone who does not have or did not had earlier Serbian and/or Kosovo citizenship should remain silent. It is their domestic issue and we, foreigners should just shut up - to allow voting or non-voting or what they decide to be fair.

BTW: if there is a vote, I tell my wife about my opinion and she me about her. We may vote different tough, neither of us regards own opinion as binding to the other.

Thumbs down for such paternalistic approach - who is U.K. to tell anyone vote or not - a daddy? Kosovo is not part of U.K. (yet). Probably most locals won't mind if that would happen. But than, U.K. would have more obligations.

If you may notice: not a single "hedgegog" with Polish spelling (teasing Szemi), "USB" or "Ataman" did voice any opinion about the vote or non-vote on B92. It's just not kosher, IMO, that is not our (foreigner) business.

dino

pre 13 godina

"And where was one mention in the Western media about the attacks on Serb communities, the lack of basic rights or the desecration of their graveyards and churches? Not one mention.

Shame on them.
(kate"

why would a foreign media be bait to the Serb propaganda machine?

Remember the "rainbow house"?all your camp let out oceans of crocodile tears, with daily bombardments of what you are doing now... :(

Sad, but this is how you get repaid; "The fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever in this case," said Matti Raatikainen, head of the war crimes unit of Eulex, the European Law and Justice Mission in Kosovo. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10166800


Now tell me, who is brave enough to believe Serb's anything? Especially anything that they direct towards their neighbors.

PS:"But constant revelations in the Serbian press that new evidence, or new witnesses have emerged for the organ-trafficking allegations, have all proven either false, or unsubstantiated."

3 different agency's from around the world made up from all nations, just to make you look like a fool you think?

dino

pre 13 godina

"here is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...
(Petar Jovanovic"

Oh please, not that "con"stitution of yours that nobody at all support or voted for, except for Obraz and the like.


But dont worry, you will change it again soon(promise). Maybe change your nations name again, fabricate some more bogey story's, let loose more Mladic's, and still be known for what you are known ;)

TP

pre 13 godina

It is interesting to note that the UK ambassador to Serbia has commented on elections in Kosovo rather than the UK's envoy to Kosovo itself.

I assume the British Government already has a political representative of some kind in Priština.

kate

pre 13 godina

Well said Petar Jovanovic! These nations have failed in their project and now expect those who were illegally targeted, dehumanised and dsecribed as collateral damage to prop up the remnants of their failed escapades.

And where was one mention in the Western media about the attacks on Serb communities, the lack of basic rights or the desecration of their graveyards and churches? Not one mention.

Shame on them.

Petar Jovanovic

pre 13 godina

Who is he to comment on what Serbs should or should not do in their own land? To take part in this election is to legitimise the illegal administration set up by the great powers. Serbs can vote in an election in thier own country when it's rulers are Serbs. There is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...

dino

pre 13 godina

"here is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...
(Petar Jovanovic"

Oh please, not that "con"stitution of yours that nobody at all support or voted for, except for Obraz and the like.


But dont worry, you will change it again soon(promise). Maybe change your nations name again, fabricate some more bogey story's, let loose more Mladic's, and still be known for what you are known ;)

Petar Jovanovic

pre 13 godina

Who is he to comment on what Serbs should or should not do in their own land? To take part in this election is to legitimise the illegal administration set up by the great powers. Serbs can vote in an election in thier own country when it's rulers are Serbs. There is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...

kate

pre 13 godina

Well said Petar Jovanovic! These nations have failed in their project and now expect those who were illegally targeted, dehumanised and dsecribed as collateral damage to prop up the remnants of their failed escapades.

And where was one mention in the Western media about the attacks on Serb communities, the lack of basic rights or the desecration of their graveyards and churches? Not one mention.

Shame on them.

dino

pre 13 godina

"And where was one mention in the Western media about the attacks on Serb communities, the lack of basic rights or the desecration of their graveyards and churches? Not one mention.

Shame on them.
(kate"

why would a foreign media be bait to the Serb propaganda machine?

Remember the "rainbow house"?all your camp let out oceans of crocodile tears, with daily bombardments of what you are doing now... :(

Sad, but this is how you get repaid; "The fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever in this case," said Matti Raatikainen, head of the war crimes unit of Eulex, the European Law and Justice Mission in Kosovo. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10166800


Now tell me, who is brave enough to believe Serb's anything? Especially anything that they direct towards their neighbors.

PS:"But constant revelations in the Serbian press that new evidence, or new witnesses have emerged for the organ-trafficking allegations, have all proven either false, or unsubstantiated."

3 different agency's from around the world made up from all nations, just to make you look like a fool you think?

Patrik

pre 13 godina

I think it would be wise for the residents to vote and probably try to get some of their own elected through a show of unity. However, as someone else opined this is totally up to the residents involved and no one else should tell them what to do. They have to live there.

michael

pre 13 godina

Where do they get this right telling other nationals what to do in their country? Where does this authority come from? I don't remember the Chinese or Russians ever telling the Americans that they should participate in the Mid Term Elections here in the US. The arrogance of such nations is astonishing. Did the British FM suggest a get out the vote in Harlem?

By not voting...Serbs are participating, it's called a boycott of an illegal seizure of their land by a foreign military aggression.

Ron

pre 13 godina

Question: must Georgians take part in Abkhazian elections? Must Greek Cypriots take part in Northern Cyprs elections? Must Somalis take part in Somalilands elections?
And so on!

No double standards please!

Ark I

pre 13 godina

The west is hoping for a propaganda opportunity so they can spread throughout their news stations that Serbs came out to vote in the wonderful multiethnic Kosovo. Too bad they won't get their propaganda opportunity, but they will probably still try to get it by exaggerating the news if any amount of Serbs do happen to vote.

TP

pre 13 godina

It is interesting to note that the UK ambassador to Serbia has commented on elections in Kosovo rather than the UK's envoy to Kosovo itself.

I assume the British Government already has a political representative of some kind in Priština.

M

pre 13 godina

Wonder if the forthcomming meeting in Serbia Wordsworth might hint when the UK intends to remove visa's for Serbian citizens. It may be a gesgure of goodwill!

IUPM

pre 13 godina

Why didn't the British Amb say "Once we get the K Albanians to stop digging up the remains of buried Serbs in Kosovo, and scattering them around the cemeteries, I suggest then that local Serbs vote in Pristina's election? Amb., you can hardly call Kosovo a multi-ethnic society, just because there are still some Serbs left there, that weren't driven out by the Albanians. It must be great to go through life with those rose-colored glasses of yours, Wordsworth.

winston

pre 13 godina

Goodbye, Wordswoth, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. And please, do not send anyone from decrepit England to replace you. As for KiM, negotiations on status, and many technical issues must be discussed, by Belgrade and the EU, before there is any kind of participation in Pristina's elections, if ever. Let's not put the horse in front of the cart. Pristina has zero to offer the Serbs in KiM, anyway. The Albanians live on handouts and contributions from foreign nations, they are overseen every step by Eulex and UNMIK so, what could they possibly have to offer the Serbs in KiM?

winston

pre 13 godina

What about the serbian graves your contrymen dug up in KiM, Dino. Are you denying that too? Or maybe you support and encourage it. In either case, blind nationalists like you will find a way to justify even these despicable acts, committed against the dead and buried.

winston

pre 13 godina

You should go ahead and vote in Pristina's election, Amer, that is if you are a citizen? If not, then your opinion means little. I hold Serbian citizenship, and have very strong feelings as to what happens in KiM. Actually, I would cast my vote through the gun barrel of a tank.

Je¿ wybor(owy)

pre 13 godina

I think, anyone who does not have or did not had earlier Serbian and/or Kosovo citizenship should remain silent. It is their domestic issue and we, foreigners should just shut up - to allow voting or non-voting or what they decide to be fair.

BTW: if there is a vote, I tell my wife about my opinion and she me about her. We may vote different tough, neither of us regards own opinion as binding to the other.

Thumbs down for such paternalistic approach - who is U.K. to tell anyone vote or not - a daddy? Kosovo is not part of U.K. (yet). Probably most locals won't mind if that would happen. But than, U.K. would have more obligations.

If you may notice: not a single "hedgegog" with Polish spelling (teasing Szemi), "USB" or "Ataman" did voice any opinion about the vote or non-vote on B92. It's just not kosher, IMO, that is not our (foreigner) business.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"I think, anyone who does not have or did not had earlier Serbian and/or Kosovo citizenship should remain silent. It is their domestic issue and we, foreigners should just shut up - to allow voting or non-voting or what they decide to be fair. "

Oh come on, Hedgehog - if Serbs felt it was a private matter, B92 would keep it on the Serbian site, where they put all the info of interest only to people living in Serbia - the price of bread, local murders, etc. It's an international site, where people express their international views. Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.

Anyway, my vote is for everybody to vote. Look what happened to the Sunnis in Iraq when they decided to ostentatiously sit out the first election - decisions affecting them still got made, just without any Sunni input. Waiting for someone or something to come along and give you justice just doesn't work out very well in this world.

johny

pre 13 godina

here is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...
(Petar Jovanovic"

-- How can a Kosova Albanian profess loyalty to a constitution for which he was denied the right to vote?

How about you profess loyalty to the North Korean Constitution.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

The Albanians live on handouts and contributions from foreign nations, they are overseen every step by Eulex and UNMIK so, what could they possibly have to offer the Serbs in KiM?
(winston, 9 November 2010 18:03)

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.

Denis

pre 13 godina

Typical Balkan style mentality. No one backs off an inch. There is really nothing wrong for Kosovo Serbs to vote. If you think about it, they would have voted in such elections even if Kosovo had substantial autonomy.


Frankly I don't give a big beep if Serbs participate or not. There are other more important things, to focus on.

Bob

pre 13 godina

He does not talk like a friend of Serbia. He talks like someone who is painted into a corner.

I would suggest that those in the north vote to separate from Kosovo (as I understand it, the north was only put into Kosovo relatively recently by Tito). They could then vote to retain the status quo - being part of Serbia. The British ambassador would find it very easy to support that vote (wouldn't he?).

Serbs in the south need more babies! (That's mainly how the Albanians changed the voting balance - along with ethnically cleansing Serbs).

The ambassador says: "Serbia is determined not to recognize Kosovo's independence, while the UK has done so". "This is something that cannot be overcome at this time".

It could be overcome in time…. with lots of babies….. even the British ambassador would be able to change his mind!

… all things are possible …. there is time yet!

Amer

pre 13 godina

"You should go ahead and vote in Pristina's election, Amer, that is if you are a citizen? If not, then your opinion means little. I hold Serbian citizenship, and have very strong feelings as to what happens in KiM. Actually, I would cast my vote through the gun barrel of a tank.
(winston, 9 November 2010 19:36) "

I'll withhold my opinion on matters Serbian and Albanian when B92 stops inviting it by offering talk-back sites in English (American variety). Or when then rest of the world refrains from commenting on American affairs. Fair?

The UK Ambassador actually has a right to comment, since Serbia has applied for EU membership and has agreed to meet EU requirements. You can expect more comments, and more critical ones at that, as the process moves forward. Brace yourself.

Je¿ ibarsky

pre 13 godina

Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.
(Amer, 9 November 2010 16:21)

There is of course a down-to-Earth approach, too. Let me answer you using (some) Texas slang. The implications of elections in North (America) going literally "south" (in some cases it could mean: a major country is electing a born-again village idiot from Texas) are far greater than elections in southern part of a minor East European country going (or not going) north (of Ibar).

sj

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

Yep, that money is coming from the same pot as all of the US’s other promises which are meaningless and empty. It’s the usual US BS; promising to hand out money that it does not have. Perhaps the US might keep that assistance and help employ some of the 30 million plus unemployed in the US.

Can you imagine that Obama is making promises to India to secure it a permanent seat on the UNSC if India invests 1 billion dollars to employ 35,000 Americans. The US does not have the money to employ its people, but it will hand out aid to Serbia. What a laugh.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Look, the British Ambassador to Serbia has every right to comment on matters within Serbia's territory. If he would like Serbians to participate in parallel elections organised by ethnic Albanians then he is free to express his opinion but I doubt he will have much influence.

The simple fact remains that Serbians are not avoiding elections as they participate in the legitimate ones organised by Belgrade. Ethnic Albanians have held parallel elections for decades so what's new? They have theirs and we have ours.

Now lets see if "dialogue" can assist with unifying elections at some point in the future but now is not that time.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

The difference is that Serbia is not dependant on hand outs and can survive without them. Kosovo cannot and never could under the Federal republic of Yugoslavia, so called equalization payments streamed out of primarily Croatia and Slovenia into the black hole of Kosovo. The EU and IMF are not responsible for dumping more money into the black hole; rent for Camp Bondsteel.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

This is not "AID" as you would like to think. Serbia military industry exports guns to the United States, many to the military camp in Ohio and this is simply a good will exchange of training.

nik

pre 13 godina

All borders in the balkans were drawn arbitrarily. None more so than those of Serbia with its neighbors. Were the Hungarians of Northern Vojvodina ever allowed to vote to rejoin Hungary? Or the Bulgarians of "Dimitrovgrad". Now the Serbs in Northern Kosovo share the same predicament. If this helps the Serbs to change their attitude towards their neighbors, the history of the next century will be better than the one of the last 100 years

johny

pre 13 godina

The difference is that Serbia is not dependant on hand outs and can survive without them. Kosovo cannot and never could under the Federal republic of Yugoslavia, so called equalization payments streamed out of primarily Croatia and Slovenia into the black hole of Kosovo. The EU and IMF are not responsible for dumping more money into the black hole; rent for Camp Bondsteel.
(Jugoslavija, 9 November 2010 23:22)

Only in the last two months with all the loans I've read here on B92 Serbia has gotten around 3 billion dollars. That is a huge handout; and if you could survive without those you wouldn't take it.
Second, if Kosova is and has always been a black hole where is the logic for your desperate attempt to keep it. There are no benefits whatsoever to desperatley trying to hold a black hole. So what we're left with are two options.
1. Kosova is not a black whole and that's why you desperately want it.
2. Kosova will not be a black hole once Albanians are removed from there, and that's why you desperately want it.

Does the second point remind you of anything. Get real Jugoslavija; phrases ain't gonna get it back for you.
If anything since the US and EU is burying massive amounts of money in Serbia then Serbia is a black hole; and I see nobody desperately and ignorantly trying to claim sovereignty over Serbia. That is a more believable argument than claiming something is, has always been and will always be a black hole but I desperately want it. This fails the test of logic every single time.

Je¿ ibarsky

pre 13 godina

Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.
(Amer, 9 November 2010 16:21)

There is of course a down-to-Earth approach, too. Let me answer you using (some) Texas slang. The implications of elections in North (America) going literally "south" (in some cases it could mean: a major country is electing a born-again village idiot from Texas) are far greater than elections in southern part of a minor East European country going (or not going) north (of Ibar).

Amer

pre 13 godina

"This is not "AID" as you would like to think. Serbia military industry exports guns to the United States, many to the military camp in Ohio and this is simply a good will exchange of training.
(Jugoslavija, 9 November 2010 23:26) "

Good try.

dino

pre 13 godina

"here is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...
(Petar Jovanovic"

Oh please, not that "con"stitution of yours that nobody at all support or voted for, except for Obraz and the like.


But dont worry, you will change it again soon(promise). Maybe change your nations name again, fabricate some more bogey story's, let loose more Mladic's, and still be known for what you are known ;)

dino

pre 13 godina

"And where was one mention in the Western media about the attacks on Serb communities, the lack of basic rights or the desecration of their graveyards and churches? Not one mention.

Shame on them.
(kate"

why would a foreign media be bait to the Serb propaganda machine?

Remember the "rainbow house"?all your camp let out oceans of crocodile tears, with daily bombardments of what you are doing now... :(

Sad, but this is how you get repaid; "The fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever in this case," said Matti Raatikainen, head of the war crimes unit of Eulex, the European Law and Justice Mission in Kosovo. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10166800


Now tell me, who is brave enough to believe Serb's anything? Especially anything that they direct towards their neighbors.

PS:"But constant revelations in the Serbian press that new evidence, or new witnesses have emerged for the organ-trafficking allegations, have all proven either false, or unsubstantiated."

3 different agency's from around the world made up from all nations, just to make you look like a fool you think?

kate

pre 13 godina

Well said Petar Jovanovic! These nations have failed in their project and now expect those who were illegally targeted, dehumanised and dsecribed as collateral damage to prop up the remnants of their failed escapades.

And where was one mention in the Western media about the attacks on Serb communities, the lack of basic rights or the desecration of their graveyards and churches? Not one mention.

Shame on them.

Petar Jovanovic

pre 13 godina

Who is he to comment on what Serbs should or should not do in their own land? To take part in this election is to legitimise the illegal administration set up by the great powers. Serbs can vote in an election in thier own country when it's rulers are Serbs. There is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...

johny

pre 13 godina

here is nothing wrong with an ethnic Albanian running for President of Serbia provided he professes loyalty to the Serbian constitution...
(Petar Jovanovic"

-- How can a Kosova Albanian profess loyalty to a constitution for which he was denied the right to vote?

How about you profess loyalty to the North Korean Constitution.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

The Albanians live on handouts and contributions from foreign nations, they are overseen every step by Eulex and UNMIK so, what could they possibly have to offer the Serbs in KiM?
(winston, 9 November 2010 18:03)

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.

Ron

pre 13 godina

Question: must Georgians take part in Abkhazian elections? Must Greek Cypriots take part in Northern Cyprs elections? Must Somalis take part in Somalilands elections?
And so on!

No double standards please!

michael

pre 13 godina

Where do they get this right telling other nationals what to do in their country? Where does this authority come from? I don't remember the Chinese or Russians ever telling the Americans that they should participate in the Mid Term Elections here in the US. The arrogance of such nations is astonishing. Did the British FM suggest a get out the vote in Harlem?

By not voting...Serbs are participating, it's called a boycott of an illegal seizure of their land by a foreign military aggression.

Je¿ wybor(owy)

pre 13 godina

I think, anyone who does not have or did not had earlier Serbian and/or Kosovo citizenship should remain silent. It is their domestic issue and we, foreigners should just shut up - to allow voting or non-voting or what they decide to be fair.

BTW: if there is a vote, I tell my wife about my opinion and she me about her. We may vote different tough, neither of us regards own opinion as binding to the other.

Thumbs down for such paternalistic approach - who is U.K. to tell anyone vote or not - a daddy? Kosovo is not part of U.K. (yet). Probably most locals won't mind if that would happen. But than, U.K. would have more obligations.

If you may notice: not a single "hedgegog" with Polish spelling (teasing Szemi), "USB" or "Ataman" did voice any opinion about the vote or non-vote on B92. It's just not kosher, IMO, that is not our (foreigner) business.

Ark I

pre 13 godina

The west is hoping for a propaganda opportunity so they can spread throughout their news stations that Serbs came out to vote in the wonderful multiethnic Kosovo. Too bad they won't get their propaganda opportunity, but they will probably still try to get it by exaggerating the news if any amount of Serbs do happen to vote.

winston

pre 13 godina

Goodbye, Wordswoth, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. And please, do not send anyone from decrepit England to replace you. As for KiM, negotiations on status, and many technical issues must be discussed, by Belgrade and the EU, before there is any kind of participation in Pristina's elections, if ever. Let's not put the horse in front of the cart. Pristina has zero to offer the Serbs in KiM, anyway. The Albanians live on handouts and contributions from foreign nations, they are overseen every step by Eulex and UNMIK so, what could they possibly have to offer the Serbs in KiM?

Amer

pre 13 godina

"You should go ahead and vote in Pristina's election, Amer, that is if you are a citizen? If not, then your opinion means little. I hold Serbian citizenship, and have very strong feelings as to what happens in KiM. Actually, I would cast my vote through the gun barrel of a tank.
(winston, 9 November 2010 19:36) "

I'll withhold my opinion on matters Serbian and Albanian when B92 stops inviting it by offering talk-back sites in English (American variety). Or when then rest of the world refrains from commenting on American affairs. Fair?

The UK Ambassador actually has a right to comment, since Serbia has applied for EU membership and has agreed to meet EU requirements. You can expect more comments, and more critical ones at that, as the process moves forward. Brace yourself.

Denis

pre 13 godina

Typical Balkan style mentality. No one backs off an inch. There is really nothing wrong for Kosovo Serbs to vote. If you think about it, they would have voted in such elections even if Kosovo had substantial autonomy.


Frankly I don't give a big beep if Serbs participate or not. There are other more important things, to focus on.

winston

pre 13 godina

What about the serbian graves your contrymen dug up in KiM, Dino. Are you denying that too? Or maybe you support and encourage it. In either case, blind nationalists like you will find a way to justify even these despicable acts, committed against the dead and buried.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"I think, anyone who does not have or did not had earlier Serbian and/or Kosovo citizenship should remain silent. It is their domestic issue and we, foreigners should just shut up - to allow voting or non-voting or what they decide to be fair. "

Oh come on, Hedgehog - if Serbs felt it was a private matter, B92 would keep it on the Serbian site, where they put all the info of interest only to people living in Serbia - the price of bread, local murders, etc. It's an international site, where people express their international views. Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.

Anyway, my vote is for everybody to vote. Look what happened to the Sunnis in Iraq when they decided to ostentatiously sit out the first election - decisions affecting them still got made, just without any Sunni input. Waiting for someone or something to come along and give you justice just doesn't work out very well in this world.

winston

pre 13 godina

You should go ahead and vote in Pristina's election, Amer, that is if you are a citizen? If not, then your opinion means little. I hold Serbian citizenship, and have very strong feelings as to what happens in KiM. Actually, I would cast my vote through the gun barrel of a tank.

IUPM

pre 13 godina

Why didn't the British Amb say "Once we get the K Albanians to stop digging up the remains of buried Serbs in Kosovo, and scattering them around the cemeteries, I suggest then that local Serbs vote in Pristina's election? Amb., you can hardly call Kosovo a multi-ethnic society, just because there are still some Serbs left there, that weren't driven out by the Albanians. It must be great to go through life with those rose-colored glasses of yours, Wordsworth.

sj

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

Yep, that money is coming from the same pot as all of the US’s other promises which are meaningless and empty. It’s the usual US BS; promising to hand out money that it does not have. Perhaps the US might keep that assistance and help employ some of the 30 million plus unemployed in the US.

Can you imagine that Obama is making promises to India to secure it a permanent seat on the UNSC if India invests 1 billion dollars to employ 35,000 Americans. The US does not have the money to employ its people, but it will hand out aid to Serbia. What a laugh.

johny

pre 13 godina

The difference is that Serbia is not dependant on hand outs and can survive without them. Kosovo cannot and never could under the Federal republic of Yugoslavia, so called equalization payments streamed out of primarily Croatia and Slovenia into the black hole of Kosovo. The EU and IMF are not responsible for dumping more money into the black hole; rent for Camp Bondsteel.
(Jugoslavija, 9 November 2010 23:22)

Only in the last two months with all the loans I've read here on B92 Serbia has gotten around 3 billion dollars. That is a huge handout; and if you could survive without those you wouldn't take it.
Second, if Kosova is and has always been a black hole where is the logic for your desperate attempt to keep it. There are no benefits whatsoever to desperatley trying to hold a black hole. So what we're left with are two options.
1. Kosova is not a black whole and that's why you desperately want it.
2. Kosova will not be a black hole once Albanians are removed from there, and that's why you desperately want it.

Does the second point remind you of anything. Get real Jugoslavija; phrases ain't gonna get it back for you.
If anything since the US and EU is burying massive amounts of money in Serbia then Serbia is a black hole; and I see nobody desperately and ignorantly trying to claim sovereignty over Serbia. That is a more believable argument than claiming something is, has always been and will always be a black hole but I desperately want it. This fails the test of logic every single time.

nik

pre 13 godina

All borders in the balkans were drawn arbitrarily. None more so than those of Serbia with its neighbors. Were the Hungarians of Northern Vojvodina ever allowed to vote to rejoin Hungary? Or the Bulgarians of "Dimitrovgrad". Now the Serbs in Northern Kosovo share the same predicament. If this helps the Serbs to change their attitude towards their neighbors, the history of the next century will be better than the one of the last 100 years

M

pre 13 godina

Wonder if the forthcomming meeting in Serbia Wordsworth might hint when the UK intends to remove visa's for Serbian citizens. It may be a gesgure of goodwill!

Bob

pre 13 godina

He does not talk like a friend of Serbia. He talks like someone who is painted into a corner.

I would suggest that those in the north vote to separate from Kosovo (as I understand it, the north was only put into Kosovo relatively recently by Tito). They could then vote to retain the status quo - being part of Serbia. The British ambassador would find it very easy to support that vote (wouldn't he?).

Serbs in the south need more babies! (That's mainly how the Albanians changed the voting balance - along with ethnically cleansing Serbs).

The ambassador says: "Serbia is determined not to recognize Kosovo's independence, while the UK has done so". "This is something that cannot be overcome at this time".

It could be overcome in time…. with lots of babies….. even the British ambassador would be able to change his mind!

… all things are possible …. there is time yet!

Patrik

pre 13 godina

I think it would be wise for the residents to vote and probably try to get some of their own elected through a show of unity. However, as someone else opined this is totally up to the residents involved and no one else should tell them what to do. They have to live there.

Je¿ ibarsky

pre 13 godina

Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.
(Amer, 9 November 2010 16:21)

There is of course a down-to-Earth approach, too. Let me answer you using (some) Texas slang. The implications of elections in North (America) going literally "south" (in some cases it could mean: a major country is electing a born-again village idiot from Texas) are far greater than elections in southern part of a minor East European country going (or not going) north (of Ibar).

TP

pre 13 godina

It is interesting to note that the UK ambassador to Serbia has commented on elections in Kosovo rather than the UK's envoy to Kosovo itself.

I assume the British Government already has a political representative of some kind in Priština.

Je¿ ibarsky

pre 13 godina

Besides, is there anyone in the world who doesn't feel competent to comment on US elections? Why not those in Kosovo, then? Not talking about politics or religion in a private conversation is good manners, supposedly, but - here? Anybody with feelings that can be hurt by hearing a bluntly expressed opinion left long ago. Or has decided to stay around specifically to express their moral outrage. And it's not as though there are that many potential voters at this site to be affected - infected, if you wish - by foreign opinions.
(Amer, 9 November 2010 16:21)

There is of course a down-to-Earth approach, too. Let me answer you using (some) Texas slang. The implications of elections in North (America) going literally "south" (in some cases it could mean: a major country is electing a born-again village idiot from Texas) are far greater than elections in southern part of a minor East European country going (or not going) north (of Ibar).

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Look, the British Ambassador to Serbia has every right to comment on matters within Serbia's territory. If he would like Serbians to participate in parallel elections organised by ethnic Albanians then he is free to express his opinion but I doubt he will have much influence.

The simple fact remains that Serbians are not avoiding elections as they participate in the legitimate ones organised by Belgrade. Ethnic Albanians have held parallel elections for decades so what's new? They have theirs and we have ours.

Now lets see if "dialogue" can assist with unifying elections at some point in the future but now is not that time.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

The difference is that Serbia is not dependant on hand outs and can survive without them. Kosovo cannot and never could under the Federal republic of Yugoslavia, so called equalization payments streamed out of primarily Croatia and Slovenia into the black hole of Kosovo. The EU and IMF are not responsible for dumping more money into the black hole; rent for Camp Bondsteel.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

Look who is talking about hand outs! Your DM just received and/or was promised to receive $1mil from USA, and he is jumping from joy for his big achievement.
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 November 2010 19:00)

This is not "AID" as you would like to think. Serbia military industry exports guns to the United States, many to the military camp in Ohio and this is simply a good will exchange of training.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"This is not "AID" as you would like to think. Serbia military industry exports guns to the United States, many to the military camp in Ohio and this is simply a good will exchange of training.
(Jugoslavija, 9 November 2010 23:26) "

Good try.