Monday, 08.11.2010.
15:09
EU interior ministers voted today to abolish visas for the citizens of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania.
Izvor: Tanjug
pre 13 godina
RE; Visa
Albanian always had a visa free regime, all you have to look at is Greece and Italy with thousands of Albanians illegally entering those countries.
In fact, it was not too long ago they vandalized shops in Athens, Greece over the deportation to the Albanian homeland. The Albanian growth rate of "3%" really does not matter as Albania remains the poorest country in Europe
pre 13 godina
It's interesting - as far as I know EU abolished visas for Serbia some time ago. If Kosovo resident recognizes Serbia as his/her country - does he/she have right to go to EU without visa? :)
pre 13 godina
"I did not hear about a single case when visa officer did stop some bad guy."
Why would you hear about it?
pre 13 godina
eulex has a responsibility (hello, eulex...) to help ready Kosova for this liberalization regime as well. when will the biometric passports be readied? the borders secured? eulex should have finished that months ago, and shame on them.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 November 2010 03:56)
Show me so-called "border" of Kosovo which is not secure, please.
Proof: everywhere you look, on the "other" side is a country (or a part of the country) which is in "White Schengen". Ever seen a border which has only one side?
What it means:
#1: The politicians in Europe are as good with mathematics as a hen with azbuka (in original: "mint tyúk az ÁBC-hez"). IMO, it's an under-statement and a plain insult towards hens.
#2: "Kosovo project" did involve few things done due:
a) arm-twisting (see the role of USA, Turkey)
b) convenience ("now as it is recognized by us, we can remove all the asylum-seekers of Serbian citizenship with Kosovar origin - now they have an independent country of their own").
Technically it was done a very underhanded way. Kosovars neither got their asylum-request plainly denied, neither approved. Instead, it was "not approved, but with Duldung". What "Duldung" type of permit does mean: you can live as long as the German authority tolerates your presence. They can suspend the "tolerating" ( = "Duldung") at will. And man, they do it!
Regarding visas: things can't be postponed for much long for Bosnia and Albania - both needs to be shown some "roadmap" to EU. Kosovo has no roadmap to EU and in the fact it's own "existence" is in great part "thanks" to EU xenophobia. How you expect the xenophobes to abolish visas? Good example was that it were THEY (EU-Xenophobes) who demanded exclusion of Serbian passport holders who reside in Kosovo.
On the other side - look at other countries, who have a visa-free regime with Serbia, but not part of EU-Xenophobistan. Like Brazil, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel, Belarus, Russia, Croatia... Does any of them (regardless, did they recognize Kosovo or not) demand a proof, a Serbian citizen is not from Kosovo? Of course, not. It's just EU-Xenophobistan.
My own stance regarding visas is probably the most radical: abolish all of them, for everyone.
I did not hear about a single case when visa officer did stop some bad guy. Consulates or MFA-s (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) have neither proper authority, nor manpower to control the flow of people. It's the job of the local police.
Visiting each other was always the norm even during the time the kings / pharaos / tsars / whoever played the war games with each other. But after WW-I some idiot (may he rot in the hell!) invented visas. And man, did politicians love that insane invention!
pre 13 godina
--"The citizens of these countries will soon be able to travel visa-free with biometric passports to the EU countries which implement the common visa policy and are part of the Schengen area," Malmstrom said after the decision was passed at a meeting of the EU Home Affairs Council. --
I'm extremely pleased to see this finally be made official. it had and has to go in this direction, otherwise you end up giving unequal treatment to certain balkan countries over others. that is an extremely dangerous, not to mention capricious message.
particularly in the case of bosnia, it was realized (duh) that mainly the bosniaks ("muslims") would be left in the lurch. stupid and discriminatory, not to mention dangerous.
eulex has a responsibility (hello, eulex...) to help ready Kosova for this liberalization regime as well. when will the biometric passports be readied? the borders secured? eulex should have finished that months ago, and shame on them.
congratulations, again, to the people of bosnia and albania. together, the balkans can move forward and out of the hell of the 90s, but the intl community (so-called) needs to play its part properly.
which it has not.
thank you.
roberto
frisco
pre 13 godina
Good, KiM Albanians can now go to Tirana and get their fake residences, and bribe authorities there. Look for 25% of all Albanians to leave the Balkans now. Good riddance.
(winston, 8 November 2010 20:27)
So much about prediction "abilities" of you diaspora serbs.
pre 13 godina
No visas = no human trafficking.
Congratulations to Albania and Bosnia.
Kosovo is next.
pre 13 godina
"But we should not forget: humans lived thousands years without need of visas. Visas were invented after WW-I.
Now we have to tell all the tricks how to buy cheap train tickets. I guess, it will be a very busy holiday season.
(Je¿ luciferowy, 8 November 2010 20:54) "
During the Napoleonic wars, British scientists could travel to Paris with no problems to attend conferences. I don't remember now where I read this, it was during the Cold War, when such a thing seemed unimaginable. Not all progress has been in the forward direction.
There are already lines at the Post Offices in Sarajevo and Tirana. The new procedure should be a blessing for the emigrants who travel back and forth regularly and who haven't been able to bring their families, even for a visit. I figure, the more people who see how well (well, comparatively well) Europe works, the greater the incentive to press their politicians to achieve those changes they keep talking about.
And yes, the train-ticket advice business should certainly pick up.
Cheers!
pre 13 godina
In any case, it's something worth celebrating.
(Amer, 8 November 2010 17:35)
Yes, yes. Congratulations to both. Very good just ahead of Christmas season.
But we should not forget: humans lived thousands years without need of visas. Visas were invented after WW-I. May the ones who invented them be spanked by Lucifer hard in some hot and familiar place.
Now we have to tell all the tricks how to buy cheap train tickets. I guess, it will be a very busy holiday season.
pre 13 godina
Good, KiM Albanians can now go to Tirana and get their fake residences, and bribe authorities there. Look for 25% of all Albanians to leave the Balkans now. Good riddance.
pre 13 godina
congratulations to albania and bosnia!
pre 13 godina
Great news, congratulations!
The newspaper headlines in Albania are warning people not to go and apply for asylum - the EU is going to be tightening procedures for the entire West Balkans after the problems they experienced last time. Even so, it will mean not having to get a visa to go to Bulgaria to get a visa to go to the Schengen countries. Since Albania had actual growth last year (3%), the idea of staying abroad illegally may not even be all that tempting. In any case, it's something worth celebrating.
pre 13 godina
Wow, now this is news. Congratulations and I'll be watching to see what happens next.
pre 13 godina
congratulations to albania and bosnia!
pre 13 godina
Wow, now this is news. Congratulations and I'll be watching to see what happens next.
pre 13 godina
In any case, it's something worth celebrating.
(Amer, 8 November 2010 17:35)
Yes, yes. Congratulations to both. Very good just ahead of Christmas season.
But we should not forget: humans lived thousands years without need of visas. Visas were invented after WW-I. May the ones who invented them be spanked by Lucifer hard in some hot and familiar place.
Now we have to tell all the tricks how to buy cheap train tickets. I guess, it will be a very busy holiday season.
pre 13 godina
"But we should not forget: humans lived thousands years without need of visas. Visas were invented after WW-I.
Now we have to tell all the tricks how to buy cheap train tickets. I guess, it will be a very busy holiday season.
(Je¿ luciferowy, 8 November 2010 20:54) "
During the Napoleonic wars, British scientists could travel to Paris with no problems to attend conferences. I don't remember now where I read this, it was during the Cold War, when such a thing seemed unimaginable. Not all progress has been in the forward direction.
There are already lines at the Post Offices in Sarajevo and Tirana. The new procedure should be a blessing for the emigrants who travel back and forth regularly and who haven't been able to bring their families, even for a visit. I figure, the more people who see how well (well, comparatively well) Europe works, the greater the incentive to press their politicians to achieve those changes they keep talking about.
And yes, the train-ticket advice business should certainly pick up.
Cheers!
pre 13 godina
Great news, congratulations!
The newspaper headlines in Albania are warning people not to go and apply for asylum - the EU is going to be tightening procedures for the entire West Balkans after the problems they experienced last time. Even so, it will mean not having to get a visa to go to Bulgaria to get a visa to go to the Schengen countries. Since Albania had actual growth last year (3%), the idea of staying abroad illegally may not even be all that tempting. In any case, it's something worth celebrating.
pre 13 godina
Good, KiM Albanians can now go to Tirana and get their fake residences, and bribe authorities there. Look for 25% of all Albanians to leave the Balkans now. Good riddance.
pre 13 godina
No visas = no human trafficking.
Congratulations to Albania and Bosnia.
Kosovo is next.
pre 13 godina
Good, KiM Albanians can now go to Tirana and get their fake residences, and bribe authorities there. Look for 25% of all Albanians to leave the Balkans now. Good riddance.
(winston, 8 November 2010 20:27)
So much about prediction "abilities" of you diaspora serbs.
pre 13 godina
--"The citizens of these countries will soon be able to travel visa-free with biometric passports to the EU countries which implement the common visa policy and are part of the Schengen area," Malmstrom said after the decision was passed at a meeting of the EU Home Affairs Council. --
I'm extremely pleased to see this finally be made official. it had and has to go in this direction, otherwise you end up giving unequal treatment to certain balkan countries over others. that is an extremely dangerous, not to mention capricious message.
particularly in the case of bosnia, it was realized (duh) that mainly the bosniaks ("muslims") would be left in the lurch. stupid and discriminatory, not to mention dangerous.
eulex has a responsibility (hello, eulex...) to help ready Kosova for this liberalization regime as well. when will the biometric passports be readied? the borders secured? eulex should have finished that months ago, and shame on them.
congratulations, again, to the people of bosnia and albania. together, the balkans can move forward and out of the hell of the 90s, but the intl community (so-called) needs to play its part properly.
which it has not.
thank you.
roberto
frisco
pre 13 godina
eulex has a responsibility (hello, eulex...) to help ready Kosova for this liberalization regime as well. when will the biometric passports be readied? the borders secured? eulex should have finished that months ago, and shame on them.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 November 2010 03:56)
Show me so-called "border" of Kosovo which is not secure, please.
Proof: everywhere you look, on the "other" side is a country (or a part of the country) which is in "White Schengen". Ever seen a border which has only one side?
What it means:
#1: The politicians in Europe are as good with mathematics as a hen with azbuka (in original: "mint tyúk az ÁBC-hez"). IMO, it's an under-statement and a plain insult towards hens.
#2: "Kosovo project" did involve few things done due:
a) arm-twisting (see the role of USA, Turkey)
b) convenience ("now as it is recognized by us, we can remove all the asylum-seekers of Serbian citizenship with Kosovar origin - now they have an independent country of their own").
Technically it was done a very underhanded way. Kosovars neither got their asylum-request plainly denied, neither approved. Instead, it was "not approved, but with Duldung". What "Duldung" type of permit does mean: you can live as long as the German authority tolerates your presence. They can suspend the "tolerating" ( = "Duldung") at will. And man, they do it!
Regarding visas: things can't be postponed for much long for Bosnia and Albania - both needs to be shown some "roadmap" to EU. Kosovo has no roadmap to EU and in the fact it's own "existence" is in great part "thanks" to EU xenophobia. How you expect the xenophobes to abolish visas? Good example was that it were THEY (EU-Xenophobes) who demanded exclusion of Serbian passport holders who reside in Kosovo.
On the other side - look at other countries, who have a visa-free regime with Serbia, but not part of EU-Xenophobistan. Like Brazil, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel, Belarus, Russia, Croatia... Does any of them (regardless, did they recognize Kosovo or not) demand a proof, a Serbian citizen is not from Kosovo? Of course, not. It's just EU-Xenophobistan.
My own stance regarding visas is probably the most radical: abolish all of them, for everyone.
I did not hear about a single case when visa officer did stop some bad guy. Consulates or MFA-s (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) have neither proper authority, nor manpower to control the flow of people. It's the job of the local police.
Visiting each other was always the norm even during the time the kings / pharaos / tsars / whoever played the war games with each other. But after WW-I some idiot (may he rot in the hell!) invented visas. And man, did politicians love that insane invention!
pre 13 godina
"I did not hear about a single case when visa officer did stop some bad guy."
Why would you hear about it?
pre 13 godina
It's interesting - as far as I know EU abolished visas for Serbia some time ago. If Kosovo resident recognizes Serbia as his/her country - does he/she have right to go to EU without visa? :)
pre 13 godina
RE; Visa
Albanian always had a visa free regime, all you have to look at is Greece and Italy with thousands of Albanians illegally entering those countries.
In fact, it was not too long ago they vandalized shops in Athens, Greece over the deportation to the Albanian homeland. The Albanian growth rate of "3%" really does not matter as Albania remains the poorest country in Europe
pre 13 godina
Good, KiM Albanians can now go to Tirana and get their fake residences, and bribe authorities there. Look for 25% of all Albanians to leave the Balkans now. Good riddance.
pre 13 godina
Wow, now this is news. Congratulations and I'll be watching to see what happens next.
pre 13 godina
Great news, congratulations!
The newspaper headlines in Albania are warning people not to go and apply for asylum - the EU is going to be tightening procedures for the entire West Balkans after the problems they experienced last time. Even so, it will mean not having to get a visa to go to Bulgaria to get a visa to go to the Schengen countries. Since Albania had actual growth last year (3%), the idea of staying abroad illegally may not even be all that tempting. In any case, it's something worth celebrating.
pre 13 godina
congratulations to albania and bosnia!
pre 13 godina
Good, KiM Albanians can now go to Tirana and get their fake residences, and bribe authorities there. Look for 25% of all Albanians to leave the Balkans now. Good riddance.
(winston, 8 November 2010 20:27)
So much about prediction "abilities" of you diaspora serbs.
pre 13 godina
No visas = no human trafficking.
Congratulations to Albania and Bosnia.
Kosovo is next.
pre 13 godina
eulex has a responsibility (hello, eulex...) to help ready Kosova for this liberalization regime as well. when will the biometric passports be readied? the borders secured? eulex should have finished that months ago, and shame on them.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 November 2010 03:56)
Show me so-called "border" of Kosovo which is not secure, please.
Proof: everywhere you look, on the "other" side is a country (or a part of the country) which is in "White Schengen". Ever seen a border which has only one side?
What it means:
#1: The politicians in Europe are as good with mathematics as a hen with azbuka (in original: "mint tyúk az ÁBC-hez"). IMO, it's an under-statement and a plain insult towards hens.
#2: "Kosovo project" did involve few things done due:
a) arm-twisting (see the role of USA, Turkey)
b) convenience ("now as it is recognized by us, we can remove all the asylum-seekers of Serbian citizenship with Kosovar origin - now they have an independent country of their own").
Technically it was done a very underhanded way. Kosovars neither got their asylum-request plainly denied, neither approved. Instead, it was "not approved, but with Duldung". What "Duldung" type of permit does mean: you can live as long as the German authority tolerates your presence. They can suspend the "tolerating" ( = "Duldung") at will. And man, they do it!
Regarding visas: things can't be postponed for much long for Bosnia and Albania - both needs to be shown some "roadmap" to EU. Kosovo has no roadmap to EU and in the fact it's own "existence" is in great part "thanks" to EU xenophobia. How you expect the xenophobes to abolish visas? Good example was that it were THEY (EU-Xenophobes) who demanded exclusion of Serbian passport holders who reside in Kosovo.
On the other side - look at other countries, who have a visa-free regime with Serbia, but not part of EU-Xenophobistan. Like Brazil, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel, Belarus, Russia, Croatia... Does any of them (regardless, did they recognize Kosovo or not) demand a proof, a Serbian citizen is not from Kosovo? Of course, not. It's just EU-Xenophobistan.
My own stance regarding visas is probably the most radical: abolish all of them, for everyone.
I did not hear about a single case when visa officer did stop some bad guy. Consulates or MFA-s (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) have neither proper authority, nor manpower to control the flow of people. It's the job of the local police.
Visiting each other was always the norm even during the time the kings / pharaos / tsars / whoever played the war games with each other. But after WW-I some idiot (may he rot in the hell!) invented visas. And man, did politicians love that insane invention!
pre 13 godina
In any case, it's something worth celebrating.
(Amer, 8 November 2010 17:35)
Yes, yes. Congratulations to both. Very good just ahead of Christmas season.
But we should not forget: humans lived thousands years without need of visas. Visas were invented after WW-I. May the ones who invented them be spanked by Lucifer hard in some hot and familiar place.
Now we have to tell all the tricks how to buy cheap train tickets. I guess, it will be a very busy holiday season.
pre 13 godina
--"The citizens of these countries will soon be able to travel visa-free with biometric passports to the EU countries which implement the common visa policy and are part of the Schengen area," Malmstrom said after the decision was passed at a meeting of the EU Home Affairs Council. --
I'm extremely pleased to see this finally be made official. it had and has to go in this direction, otherwise you end up giving unequal treatment to certain balkan countries over others. that is an extremely dangerous, not to mention capricious message.
particularly in the case of bosnia, it was realized (duh) that mainly the bosniaks ("muslims") would be left in the lurch. stupid and discriminatory, not to mention dangerous.
eulex has a responsibility (hello, eulex...) to help ready Kosova for this liberalization regime as well. when will the biometric passports be readied? the borders secured? eulex should have finished that months ago, and shame on them.
congratulations, again, to the people of bosnia and albania. together, the balkans can move forward and out of the hell of the 90s, but the intl community (so-called) needs to play its part properly.
which it has not.
thank you.
roberto
frisco
pre 13 godina
RE; Visa
Albanian always had a visa free regime, all you have to look at is Greece and Italy with thousands of Albanians illegally entering those countries.
In fact, it was not too long ago they vandalized shops in Athens, Greece over the deportation to the Albanian homeland. The Albanian growth rate of "3%" really does not matter as Albania remains the poorest country in Europe
pre 13 godina
"But we should not forget: humans lived thousands years without need of visas. Visas were invented after WW-I.
Now we have to tell all the tricks how to buy cheap train tickets. I guess, it will be a very busy holiday season.
(Je¿ luciferowy, 8 November 2010 20:54) "
During the Napoleonic wars, British scientists could travel to Paris with no problems to attend conferences. I don't remember now where I read this, it was during the Cold War, when such a thing seemed unimaginable. Not all progress has been in the forward direction.
There are already lines at the Post Offices in Sarajevo and Tirana. The new procedure should be a blessing for the emigrants who travel back and forth regularly and who haven't been able to bring their families, even for a visit. I figure, the more people who see how well (well, comparatively well) Europe works, the greater the incentive to press their politicians to achieve those changes they keep talking about.
And yes, the train-ticket advice business should certainly pick up.
Cheers!
pre 13 godina
"I did not hear about a single case when visa officer did stop some bad guy."
Why would you hear about it?
pre 13 godina
It's interesting - as far as I know EU abolished visas for Serbia some time ago. If Kosovo resident recognizes Serbia as his/her country - does he/she have right to go to EU without visa? :)
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