"Cyprus has not, and will not recognize Kosovo"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4kz8CSYmA
Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.

There were other ways to get rid of Milosevic, than to concoct stories of atrocities, bomb innocent civilians, and then occupy and steal Serbian soil. Don't you agree, miri?

I haven't been to Cyprus yet but I will definitely visit soon. They are our closest brothers and sisters within EU.

[link]
Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00)

I hope you also watched the link and reminded you what would another Milosevic bring to Serbia.

Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open.
(EA, 5 November 2010 18:26)
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Who cares? I certainly don't and this has nothing to do with recognition of Kosovo.

Bottom line: No recognition and that's what is important to us.

So go and direct your silly questions to him instead of here? Nobody here cares.

Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00)

wow, I have not watched those tapes in my library for long time, and your link just made me do it. I love seeing those aircraft taking off and heading towards Belgrade. The irony here is ; WHN ONE OF THE LEADERS OR FM'S FROM THE COUNTRIES THAT BOMBED sERBIA, COME ON STATE VISIT , I SEE tADIC ROLING THE RED CARPET FOR THEM.You must be proud. Play it again SAM.

Thank you Cyprus. My next vacation will involve folding laundry and maybe getting around to replacing a few light bulbs in the basement.

There were other ways to get rid of Milosevic, than to concoct stories of atrocities, bomb innocent civilians, and then occupy and steal Serbian soil. Don't you agree, miri?
(winston, 5 November 2010 18:52)

have you ever seen the US telling the truth to achieve their goals... history has only proved the contrary....
But maybe one day, as we say, "live by the sword, die by the sword"...

Please get a twitter account and stop trolling the news.
(KOSO)
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I can see what you mean, but unfortunatly it is necessary. The Albanos in Kosovo or (the correct-term) Serbo-Albanos need to be reminded that they are apart of Serbia.

Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00)
WOW, if someone posted it on Youtube it must be the "Gospel according to John".
Only information against Serbia was lies right, this couldn't be could it.

"Nicosia "will do everything it can so that Serbia preserves her sovereignty, and Serbs their rights on their own territory".

He is showing himself more Serb than the Serbs themselves. He represent a town-country if his statement are not personal, and he thinks he can rule the world))

Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open.

A big thanks to the free world for not recognizing the mafia state of Kosovo. The theft of Serbian land by albanian immigrant will stop. Albanians are nothing more then simple mounteners from the caucasus region of Chechnya. Either they will learn to live in peace with the Serbs or return to their goathearding in the mountains of the Caucasus.

"Cyprus has not, and will not recognize Kosovo"

Wasn't it NEVER about 6 months ago?

Please get a twitter account and stop trolling the news.

Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open.
(EA, 5 November 2010 18:26)

You are right ER. The old saying goes:" Clean your own backyard first, before you jump to your neighbors backyard". So much for Greek Cypriots thinking!!!

Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.
(GjonFusha)
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So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.

Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.
(GjonFusha)
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So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 15:47)

No, because that would be intentional killing of civilians without any other purpose. That's a war crime similar to those many generals have been convincted at the ICTY...

The killing of civilians during necessary and proportional war operations that don't have them as a target is not a crime. It's the nature of war. Nobody has said nowhere that war should be done without loss of life. War should be done by trying to minimize unnecessary loss of life.
(icj1)
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in case you missed my point (in which you did), I was referring to how does the civil war in 1990's have to bombing belgrade illegally in 1999?

The bombardment of Belgrade was STRICTLY targeted towards civillians. So are you saying NATO/US committed a war-crime?

Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00


You are detached from reality, don't concern yourself with our foundations, they are stronger than ever. All that was left in Kosova after Serbian pillaging was foundations and no matter how hard Serbia tried they could not destroy those foudations. Quite remarkable actually the progress that Kosova is making, I think that's what really keeps you and your ilk up at night.

Nice link ! Gift from the Albanians.

Who cares what Cypres saying
Long live Turkish people in half Cipar.

Do you have such proof ?
(icj1)
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Just take a minute of your time and research the targets NATO/US targeted in Belgrade. Proof is everywhere, I just dont have the time to poste everything, so do it yourself.

Killing over 10000 civilians,destroy properties and deport half of population. That sounds more righteously.
(GjonFusha)
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Deport who? Don't you remember that you were running away from the NATo bombs?

Mikael C,

I can see from you statement that you are loosing your mind when stating here that

"The theft of Serbian land by albanian immigrant will stop."

" Albanians are nothing more then simple mounteners from the caucasus region of Chechnya."

"Either they will learn to live in peace with the Serbs or return to their goathearding in the mountains of the Caucasus."
(Mikael C, 6 November 2010 09:05)

I find the above comments full of hate and am surprised that B92 has allowed them to go through its contolled net. It doesn't bother me what you are saying as that is something to do with your level of intellegence, knowledge and upbringing. You think that by spreading PURE lies you will foolish the readers in this respectul forum.
Your pathetic comments prove one more time how just and fair is Kosovo independence from Serbia.

And to Peggy surprise

"Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open."


"...this has nothing to do with recognition of Kosovo." Of course it has as the ambassador was talking about " a principled polition!!!" as the Romanian foreign minister did few days ago.

"Bottom line: No recognition and that's what is important to us."

Peggy, it might be important to you but it is not important to the peace and stability in region.

and the last bit regarding my

" direct silly questions to him instead of here? Nobody here cares."

In Germany they have a say "Gibt es nicht dumn fragen gibt es dumn antworten" (forgive my spelling) which basically means "there is no silly question BUT silly answer. I strongly hope it will make sense to you.

There were other ways to get rid of Milosevic, than to concoct stories of atrocities, bomb innocent civilians,(winston, 5 November 2010 18:52)

Winston in my opinion, it took to long for the west to act on cleansing of albanians from kosova. And this cleansing is stilling the land and not the liberation of civilians. Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.

Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.
(GjonFusha)
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So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 15:47)

No, because that would be intentional killing of civilians without any other purpose. That's a war crime similar to those many generals have been convincted at the ICTY...

The killing of civilians during necessary and proportional war operations that don't have them as a target is not a crime. It's the nature of war. Nobody has said nowhere that war should be done without loss of life. War should be done by trying to minimize unnecessary loss of life.

So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 15:47)

Nope, for the acts the KLA have committed you have to make cleansing of Albanians from Kosova. Killing over 10000 civilians,destroy properties and deport half of population. That sounds more righteously.

What about Slovakia, what about Slovakia? Tell us for the 100th time about Slovakia. Will they recognize soon?

What about the yellow house investigation? What about the yellow house? So much noise back then, even Kouchner was involved because he laughed?!!>!>. Any news about that? Why has the Serbian prosecution remained silent? Vukaric or whatever his name is...They had some proof, where is the proof? What about the people who killed that Bosnian doctor in Mitrovica? Eulex went in North Mitrovica a few days ago, did they catch anybody who killed the doctor? Any news about that?

@EA,
"Peggy, it might be important to you but it is not important to the peace and stability in region.

and the last bit regarding my

" direct silly questions to him instead of here? Nobody here cares."
=====================

Exactly, do you really expect6 someone here to answer for him?
If you have a question like that, then get on his website and email him with it.

Then come here and tell us his answer but I certainly won't be speaking on his behalf answering any of questions for him.

BTW, there are silly questions and you have just asked one.

Be half on my half island, i will not recognize kosovo

WOW, if someone posted it on Youtube it must be the "Gospel according to John".
Only information against Serbia was lies right, this couldn't be could it.
(pss, 5 November 2010 18:24)
Comon Pss,
Even you have to admit something don't add up. Be true to your intellegence.
http://www.counterpunch.org/germanmemo.html
The KLA knew this was the only way out after the Badinter commision. Those foundations do not build men.

The KLA knew this was the only way out after the Badinter commision. Those foundations do not build men.
(Dan, 7 November 2010 13:19)

The creation of KLA is a result of terrible apartheid that Milosevic inflected upon the majority albanian population of Kosovo. Even former coordinator for southern Serbia Nebojsa Covic admitted this fact by saying: Milosevic politics has left no other way for albanians but to pick up the weapons and fight.
You can not call terrorists people who stand up to fight for their rights.

in case you missed my point (in which you did), I was referring to how does the civil war in 1990's have to bombing belgrade illegally in 1999?
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 17:18)

I don’t think anybody said that because Serbs killed civilians, then Nato could kill Serb civilians in Belgrade. Now I’m interpreting GjonFusha’s post and I apologize if my interpretation is incorrect, but I assume that his point was to show the necessity of the bombing against Serbia, not the necessity of killing civilians in Belgrade.

Also, you mention the word illegal often in your posts, but please always specify the law under you which you make that determination of illegality. So I’m forced to ask again, under which law was the bombing of Belgrade illegal ?


The bombardment of Belgrade was STRICTLY targeted towards civillians. So are you saying NATO/US committed a war-crime?
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 17:18)

That’s not so easy to say, it requires some complex factual and legal analysis (it takes courts hundreds of pages to do that). But in few words, first you have to specify which particular war crime(s) as defined under international humanitarian law you are referring to. Second you need to find the alleged actus reus and mens rea that fit the definition of that crime. Third you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that such actus reus and mens rea were indeed present as required by the statute. Do you have such proof ?

Deport who? Don't you remember that you were running away from the NATo bombs?
(trudsaam, 7 November 2010 18:57)

What you are saying was tried but rejected by the Court. I quote "the NATO bombing was not the
reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo". So, do some research before writing non-sense.

(Simpatiku, 7 November 2010 17:54)

The only thing the KLA cared about was creating it’s own safe haven for it’s illicit activities. Did it occur to you that the KLA is holding hostage many Albanians who fear reprisals, destroying socio economic development, perpetrating crimes such as rapes and murders on Albanians. Which so called army forces co-operation under the threat of being labelled a Serb collaborator from Alb villagers, fires on a sovereign nations army, then leaves these people hanging. How many armies built from illicit drug trades came with moral fibre. Which army made over 1500 attacks on just it’s own Alb population even after Nato intervention. Which army extorts protection money from various Alb clans? Which armies with credible links to Osama Bin Laden could be respected? Yet here you are, either misguided or have the audacity to claim the KLA to be freedom fighters?

Here read this US congressional report,
http://www.theantidrug.com/pdfs/rmutschke.pdf

http://www.kosovo.net/spiegelflot.html

No other way but to fight? Apartheid?
Many Albanians enjoyed equal opportunies, a stable job, free education even university education in the Albanian language, in fact the Serbian delegation to Rambouillet even contained two Albanians. For minority rights Albs enjoyed a fair share, things went to far in 1978 when groups started public festivities to revive the Prizren league and a greater Albania, this showed Albanian institutions funded by the federal gov’t would not stop at autonomy. Dis-integrative demands incite hatreds and cause problems. One thing is certain one provoked and one reacted.

So the list of countries that have NOT and WILL NOT recognize Kosova sitll stands at 5? We need a weekly update on this.

Just take a minute of your time and research the targets NATO/US targeted in Belgrade. Proof is everywhere, I just dont have the time to poste everything, so do it yourself.
(trudsaam, 7 November 2010 18:55)

I'm not asking all possible proofs... just tell me a single proof, just one example that proves beyond reasonable doubt the actus reus and the mens rea of just one war crime committed by Nato during the bombing.

I took many minutes to find one and couldn't, that's why I'm asking for your help, which should be very easy because you appeared very convinced so you must have toons of proofs.

BTW, you guys have stopped talking about a huge wave of recognitions. Could it be because there is no wave coming or you just don't want to be repetative like Cyprus?
(Peggy, 9 November 2010)

No it's because B92 has stopped posting such stories. Have you noticed that every other Kosova related story regarding the recognitions is either about Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus or Spain continuing NOT TO recognize.

We got over the recognitions as we're approaching our 3rd independence anniverssary, it's you that need to get over your delusion.

We've moved onto our next project: UNIFICATION. I suggest you focus on doing the same with Srpska.

So the list of countries that have NOT and WILL NOT recognize Kosova sitll stands at 5? We need a weekly update on this.
(Zoti, 8 November 2010 21:03)
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Obviously. How many times have we read hear that this country or that country will recognise and it's only a matter of time.

BTW, you guys have stopped talking about a huge wave of recognitions. Could it be because there is no wave coming or you just don't want to be repetative like Cyprus?

I'm not asking all possible proofs... just tell me a single proof, just one example that proves beyond reasonable doubt the actus reus and the mens rea of just one war crime committed by Nato during the bombing.

I took many minutes to find one and couldn't, that's why I'm asking for your help, which should be very easy because you appeared very convinced so you must have toons of proofs.
(icj1, 7 November 2010 23:33)

You need to to on ICU if you really think NATO did not commit war crimes in the former Yugoslavia. Crimes against all citizens, Serbia, Albanians and all Yugoslavs.

(1) The intentional bombing of a leaders residence, Slobodan Milosevic, in breach of the Geneva convention.

(2) The dropping of Uranium depleted bombs in the former Yugoslavia. Uranium depleted bombs are banned from international signed agreements.

(3) The use if Cluster bombs in the NIS market place killing over 25 civilains. Cluster bombs again our outlawed by international agreemnts.

(4) The intentional bombing of civilain sites; the Chinese Embassy, the RTS Serbian news station and Mount Avala communication towers.

(5) The intentional bombing of civilians in busses, bridges and roads killing over 1000 Yugoslav citizens including Albanians.

The intentional bombing of the Greek consulate in Nis by NATO; an act of war and attack on Greek territory in Yugoslavia.

There is plenty of proof , the problem is the Hague Tribunal is a show trial that did not accept the submission of NATO's war crimes from an international Greek lawyer.

You need to to on ICU if you really think NATO did not commit war crimes in the former Yugoslavia. Crimes against all citizens, Serbia, Albanians and all Yugoslavs.
(Jugoslavija, 10 November 2010 00:06)

Of course I think NATO did not commit war crimes… It can’t

If you were to go to Court, the judge would stop you at this point and throw your case out. NATO is a legal person, and, by definition, it cannot commit a war crime. You need to find a natural person that allegedly has committed these crimes. So please define who (natural person), according to you, committed these war crimes so we can continue the discussion.


There is plenty of proof , the problem is the Hague Tribunal is a show trial that did not accept the submission of NATO's war crimes from an international Greek lawyer.
(Jugoslavija, 10 November 2010 00:06)

That’s why !… If this Greek “lawyer” submitted “NATO’s war crimes”, no wonder the judge did not accept them for the elementary reason explained above. So the problem is the "lawyer" (most likely Serbia used lawyers like this at the ICJ's case, as well :) ), not the Court. NATO can’t commit war crimes.

[link]
Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00)

I hope you also watched the link and reminded you what would another Milosevic bring to Serbia.

"Nicosia "will do everything it can so that Serbia preserves her sovereignty, and Serbs their rights on their own territory".

He is showing himself more Serb than the Serbs themselves. He represent a town-country if his statement are not personal, and he thinks he can rule the world))

Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open.

Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00)

wow, I have not watched those tapes in my library for long time, and your link just made me do it. I love seeing those aircraft taking off and heading towards Belgrade. The irony here is ; WHN ONE OF THE LEADERS OR FM'S FROM THE COUNTRIES THAT BOMBED sERBIA, COME ON STATE VISIT , I SEE tADIC ROLING THE RED CARPET FOR THEM.You must be proud. Play it again SAM.

Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open.
(EA, 5 November 2010 18:26)

You are right ER. The old saying goes:" Clean your own backyard first, before you jump to your neighbors backyard". So much for Greek Cypriots thinking!!!

Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00)
WOW, if someone posted it on Youtube it must be the "Gospel according to John".
Only information against Serbia was lies right, this couldn't be could it.

"Cyprus has not, and will not recognize Kosovo"

Wasn't it NEVER about 6 months ago?

Please get a twitter account and stop trolling the news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4kz8CSYmA
Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.

Who cares what Cypres saying
Long live Turkish people in half Cipar.

Nice link ! Gift from the Albanians.

Mikael C,

I can see from you statement that you are loosing your mind when stating here that

"The theft of Serbian land by albanian immigrant will stop."

" Albanians are nothing more then simple mounteners from the caucasus region of Chechnya."

"Either they will learn to live in peace with the Serbs or return to their goathearding in the mountains of the Caucasus."
(Mikael C, 6 November 2010 09:05)

I find the above comments full of hate and am surprised that B92 has allowed them to go through its contolled net. It doesn't bother me what you are saying as that is something to do with your level of intellegence, knowledge and upbringing. You think that by spreading PURE lies you will foolish the readers in this respectul forum.
Your pathetic comments prove one more time how just and fair is Kosovo independence from Serbia.

And to Peggy surprise

"Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open."


"...this has nothing to do with recognition of Kosovo." Of course it has as the ambassador was talking about " a principled polition!!!" as the Romanian foreign minister did few days ago.

"Bottom line: No recognition and that's what is important to us."

Peggy, it might be important to you but it is not important to the peace and stability in region.

and the last bit regarding my

" direct silly questions to him instead of here? Nobody here cares."

In Germany they have a say "Gibt es nicht dumn fragen gibt es dumn antworten" (forgive my spelling) which basically means "there is no silly question BUT silly answer. I strongly hope it will make sense to you.

There were other ways to get rid of Milosevic, than to concoct stories of atrocities, bomb innocent civilians,(winston, 5 November 2010 18:52)

Winston in my opinion, it took to long for the west to act on cleansing of albanians from kosova. And this cleansing is stilling the land and not the liberation of civilians. Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.

There were other ways to get rid of Milosevic, than to concoct stories of atrocities, bomb innocent civilians, and then occupy and steal Serbian soil. Don't you agree, miri?

Click the link and educate yourself, Albanians. You're stillborn state was based on an orchestrated western lie. What a great foundation to build a country on.
(winston, 5 November 2010 17:00


You are detached from reality, don't concern yourself with our foundations, they are stronger than ever. All that was left in Kosova after Serbian pillaging was foundations and no matter how hard Serbia tried they could not destroy those foudations. Quite remarkable actually the progress that Kosova is making, I think that's what really keeps you and your ilk up at night.

I haven't been to Cyprus yet but I will definitely visit soon. They are our closest brothers and sisters within EU.

Thank you Cyprus. My next vacation will involve folding laundry and maybe getting around to replacing a few light bulbs in the basement.

Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.
(GjonFusha)
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So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 15:47)

No, because that would be intentional killing of civilians without any other purpose. That's a war crime similar to those many generals have been convincted at the ICTY...

The killing of civilians during necessary and proportional war operations that don't have them as a target is not a crime. It's the nature of war. Nobody has said nowhere that war should be done without loss of life. War should be done by trying to minimize unnecessary loss of life.

Please get a twitter account and stop trolling the news.
(KOSO)
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I can see what you mean, but unfortunatly it is necessary. The Albanos in Kosovo or (the correct-term) Serbo-Albanos need to be reminded that they are apart of Serbia.

A big thanks to the free world for not recognizing the mafia state of Kosovo. The theft of Serbian land by albanian immigrant will stop. Albanians are nothing more then simple mounteners from the caucasus region of Chechnya. Either they will learn to live in peace with the Serbs or return to their goathearding in the mountains of the Caucasus.

So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 15:47)

Nope, for the acts the KLA have committed you have to make cleansing of Albanians from Kosova. Killing over 10000 civilians,destroy properties and deport half of population. That sounds more righteously.

Why the ambassador can not tell us why Nicosia is not doing everything to re-gain control of its own territory (at least claimed) of Norther Cyprus. He is trying to be clever in Serbia but in fact with its stupid comments leaving him wide open.
(EA, 5 November 2010 18:26)
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Who cares? I certainly don't and this has nothing to do with recognition of Kosovo.

Bottom line: No recognition and that's what is important to us.

So go and direct your silly questions to him instead of here? Nobody here cares.

There were other ways to get rid of Milosevic, than to concoct stories of atrocities, bomb innocent civilians, and then occupy and steal Serbian soil. Don't you agree, miri?
(winston, 5 November 2010 18:52)

have you ever seen the US telling the truth to achieve their goals... history has only proved the contrary....
But maybe one day, as we say, "live by the sword, die by the sword"...

What about Slovakia, what about Slovakia? Tell us for the 100th time about Slovakia. Will they recognize soon?

What about the yellow house investigation? What about the yellow house? So much noise back then, even Kouchner was involved because he laughed?!!>!>. Any news about that? Why has the Serbian prosecution remained silent? Vukaric or whatever his name is...They had some proof, where is the proof? What about the people who killed that Bosnian doctor in Mitrovica? Eulex went in North Mitrovica a few days ago, did they catch anybody who killed the doctor? Any news about that?

Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.
(GjonFusha)
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So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.

Bombing of Belgrade may have killed some civilian, but this was after serbs killed 200,000 civilians in Bosnia and Croatia.
(GjonFusha)
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So by this logic; Tirana should be bombed, for the acts the KLA have committed towards the Serbs.
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 15:47)

No, because that would be intentional killing of civilians without any other purpose. That's a war crime similar to those many generals have been convincted at the ICTY...

The killing of civilians during necessary and proportional war operations that don't have them as a target is not a crime. It's the nature of war. Nobody has said nowhere that war should be done without loss of life. War should be done by trying to minimize unnecessary loss of life.
(icj1)
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in case you missed my point (in which you did), I was referring to how does the civil war in 1990's have to bombing belgrade illegally in 1999?

The bombardment of Belgrade was STRICTLY targeted towards civillians. So are you saying NATO/US committed a war-crime?

@EA,
"Peggy, it might be important to you but it is not important to the peace and stability in region.

and the last bit regarding my

" direct silly questions to him instead of here? Nobody here cares."
=====================

Exactly, do you really expect6 someone here to answer for him?
If you have a question like that, then get on his website and email him with it.

Then come here and tell us his answer but I certainly won't be speaking on his behalf answering any of questions for him.

BTW, there are silly questions and you have just asked one.

The KLA knew this was the only way out after the Badinter commision. Those foundations do not build men.
(Dan, 7 November 2010 13:19)

The creation of KLA is a result of terrible apartheid that Milosevic inflected upon the majority albanian population of Kosovo. Even former coordinator for southern Serbia Nebojsa Covic admitted this fact by saying: Milosevic politics has left no other way for albanians but to pick up the weapons and fight.
You can not call terrorists people who stand up to fight for their rights.

Killing over 10000 civilians,destroy properties and deport half of population. That sounds more righteously.
(GjonFusha)
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Deport who? Don't you remember that you were running away from the NATo bombs?

Be half on my half island, i will not recognize kosovo

Deport who? Don't you remember that you were running away from the NATo bombs?
(trudsaam, 7 November 2010 18:57)

What you are saying was tried but rejected by the Court. I quote "the NATO bombing was not the
reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo". So, do some research before writing non-sense.

(Simpatiku, 7 November 2010 17:54)

The only thing the KLA cared about was creating it’s own safe haven for it’s illicit activities. Did it occur to you that the KLA is holding hostage many Albanians who fear reprisals, destroying socio economic development, perpetrating crimes such as rapes and murders on Albanians. Which so called army forces co-operation under the threat of being labelled a Serb collaborator from Alb villagers, fires on a sovereign nations army, then leaves these people hanging. How many armies built from illicit drug trades came with moral fibre. Which army made over 1500 attacks on just it’s own Alb population even after Nato intervention. Which army extorts protection money from various Alb clans? Which armies with credible links to Osama Bin Laden could be respected? Yet here you are, either misguided or have the audacity to claim the KLA to be freedom fighters?

Here read this US congressional report,
http://www.theantidrug.com/pdfs/rmutschke.pdf

http://www.kosovo.net/spiegelflot.html

No other way but to fight? Apartheid?
Many Albanians enjoyed equal opportunies, a stable job, free education even university education in the Albanian language, in fact the Serbian delegation to Rambouillet even contained two Albanians. For minority rights Albs enjoyed a fair share, things went to far in 1978 when groups started public festivities to revive the Prizren league and a greater Albania, this showed Albanian institutions funded by the federal gov’t would not stop at autonomy. Dis-integrative demands incite hatreds and cause problems. One thing is certain one provoked and one reacted.

So the list of countries that have NOT and WILL NOT recognize Kosova sitll stands at 5? We need a weekly update on this.

So the list of countries that have NOT and WILL NOT recognize Kosova sitll stands at 5? We need a weekly update on this.
(Zoti, 8 November 2010 21:03)
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Obviously. How many times have we read hear that this country or that country will recognise and it's only a matter of time.

BTW, you guys have stopped talking about a huge wave of recognitions. Could it be because there is no wave coming or you just don't want to be repetative like Cyprus?

in case you missed my point (in which you did), I was referring to how does the civil war in 1990's have to bombing belgrade illegally in 1999?
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 17:18)

I don’t think anybody said that because Serbs killed civilians, then Nato could kill Serb civilians in Belgrade. Now I’m interpreting GjonFusha’s post and I apologize if my interpretation is incorrect, but I assume that his point was to show the necessity of the bombing against Serbia, not the necessity of killing civilians in Belgrade.

Also, you mention the word illegal often in your posts, but please always specify the law under you which you make that determination of illegality. So I’m forced to ask again, under which law was the bombing of Belgrade illegal ?


The bombardment of Belgrade was STRICTLY targeted towards civillians. So are you saying NATO/US committed a war-crime?
(trudsaam, 6 November 2010 17:18)

That’s not so easy to say, it requires some complex factual and legal analysis (it takes courts hundreds of pages to do that). But in few words, first you have to specify which particular war crime(s) as defined under international humanitarian law you are referring to. Second you need to find the alleged actus reus and mens rea that fit the definition of that crime. Third you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that such actus reus and mens rea were indeed present as required by the statute. Do you have such proof ?

Do you have such proof ?
(icj1)
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Just take a minute of your time and research the targets NATO/US targeted in Belgrade. Proof is everywhere, I just dont have the time to poste everything, so do it yourself.

Just take a minute of your time and research the targets NATO/US targeted in Belgrade. Proof is everywhere, I just dont have the time to poste everything, so do it yourself.
(trudsaam, 7 November 2010 18:55)

I'm not asking all possible proofs... just tell me a single proof, just one example that proves beyond reasonable doubt the actus reus and the mens rea of just one war crime committed by Nato during the bombing.

I took many minutes to find one and couldn't, that's why I'm asking for your help, which should be very easy because you appeared very convinced so you must have toons of proofs.

BTW, you guys have stopped talking about a huge wave of recognitions. Could it be because there is no wave coming or you just don't want to be repetative like Cyprus?
(Peggy, 9 November 2010)

No it's because B92 has stopped posting such stories. Have you noticed that every other Kosova related story regarding the recognitions is either about Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus or Spain continuing NOT TO recognize.

We got over the recognitions as we're approaching our 3rd independence anniverssary, it's you that need to get over your delusion.

We've moved onto our next project: UNIFICATION. I suggest you focus on doing the same with Srpska.

WOW, if someone posted it on Youtube it must be the "Gospel according to John".
Only information against Serbia was lies right, this couldn't be could it.
(pss, 5 November 2010 18:24)
Comon Pss,
Even you have to admit something don't add up. Be true to your intellegence.
http://www.counterpunch.org/germanmemo.html
The KLA knew this was the only way out after the Badinter commision. Those foundations do not build men.

I'm not asking all possible proofs... just tell me a single proof, just one example that proves beyond reasonable doubt the actus reus and the mens rea of just one war crime committed by Nato during the bombing.

I took many minutes to find one and couldn't, that's why I'm asking for your help, which should be very easy because you appeared very convinced so you must have toons of proofs.
(icj1, 7 November 2010 23:33)

You need to to on ICU if you really think NATO did not commit war crimes in the former Yugoslavia. Crimes against all citizens, Serbia, Albanians and all Yugoslavs.

(1) The intentional bombing of a leaders residence, Slobodan Milosevic, in breach of the Geneva convention.

(2) The dropping of Uranium depleted bombs in the former Yugoslavia. Uranium depleted bombs are banned from international signed agreements.

(3) The use if Cluster bombs in the NIS market place killing over 25 civilains. Cluster bombs again our outlawed by international agreemnts.

(4) The intentional bombing of civilain sites; the Chinese Embassy, the RTS Serbian news station and Mount Avala communication towers.

(5) The intentional bombing of civilians in busses, bridges and roads killing over 1000 Yugoslav citizens including Albanians.

The intentional bombing of the Greek consulate in Nis by NATO; an act of war and attack on Greek territory in Yugoslavia.

There is plenty of proof , the problem is the Hague Tribunal is a show trial that did not accept the submission of NATO's war crimes from an international Greek lawyer.

You need to to on ICU if you really think NATO did not commit war crimes in the former Yugoslavia. Crimes against all citizens, Serbia, Albanians and all Yugoslavs.
(Jugoslavija, 10 November 2010 00:06)

Of course I think NATO did not commit war crimes… It can’t

If you were to go to Court, the judge would stop you at this point and throw your case out. NATO is a legal person, and, by definition, it cannot commit a war crime. You need to find a natural person that allegedly has committed these crimes. So please define who (natural person), according to you, committed these war crimes so we can continue the discussion.


There is plenty of proof , the problem is the Hague Tribunal is a show trial that did not accept the submission of NATO's war crimes from an international Greek lawyer.
(Jugoslavija, 10 November 2010 00:06)

That’s why !… If this Greek “lawyer” submitted “NATO’s war crimes”, no wonder the judge did not accept them for the elementary reason explained above. So the problem is the "lawyer" (most likely Serbia used lawyers like this at the ICJ's case, as well :) ), not the Court. NATO can’t commit war crimes.