And how did the Albanians treat an exhausted army of the allies as it sought to pass through for refuge?
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Here is what is real: from one side there are around 40 Serbian generals and high state officials being processed or having been processed for war crimes in the Hague, and from the other side an Albanian former club bouncer and some peasant.
How many were convicted in Stalin's courts and what does it mean today, time always tells(not that some perhaps are and some aren't guilty), politically motivated courts usually get alot of things wrong.
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But what is the point of your question? Are you are implying that Albania would have attacked somebody if it had strength? now, that brings us into the realm of the imaginary and there we can invent whatever we want.
Imagination? Answer as far as I know it is as a proxy,
No Adam, I don't notice it. Better look at your precious USA that actually uses force all the time to get 'respect' (read: oil and mineral resources). I think an American has no right to criticise other countries. Take a look at your own recent history, laden with thousands and thousands of dead people.
notice how serbia and serbs demand...under threat of violence... from other countries a certain level of rights, representation and powers.
while not offering the same thing to its minorities.
notice that pattern?
(AdamNYC, 4 November 2010 20:19)
Next time I go to Serbia, I'll make sure I travel to Medvedja, Bujanovac and Presevo and report to the great people on this website and to the world in general the mass repression which Tadic and Cvetkovic are carrying out against the Albanian population there. Hell, I'll travel over to Novi Pazar and report the devastating mass graves which are popping up all over the place, just filling up with Bosniaks. And hey, why don't I go up to Novi Sad and see how the Hungarians are being used as slaves to some Serbian family, where he can show me all the cuts and bruises he's received as a part of Serbian repression.
To save me the trouble, you can try doing the same thing. If you forgot about what you're looking for, then try and find on a map some atrocities committed in the municipality of, "You have no idea what you're talking about."
Looks like our "flaming patriot", Flamur, does not seem to grasp that warfare and development are mutually exclusive...and that the world has moved on in the past 90 years.
Is Shkodra Tosk enough for you? Nobody and I mean nobody needs a war.
(johny, 3 November 2010 17:27)
This is our national tragedy, that the city that nobly resisted the Slav aggressors 90 years ago now embraces them. Greater Albania must be built and it must be ruled from Prishtina, where Albanians remain neither decadent nor feminised.
Your country already gave "support" to half of Europe for 45 years and looted their economy, made them puppets to a dictatorship.
No one needs such "temporary stationing on te ground" as it was labeled for decades when the Soviet army was watching if the puppet governments are doing well. Rather focus on your internal crises and lack of democracy.
Serbian economy boosting during milosevic? What a joke ... maybe maphia economy boosted, bank robbery, drugs, guns, prostitutes... arkan had like dozens of arrest mandates form dozens of EU countries only for bank robbery in 80s... not to mantion pillages of bosnian villages, we all know that muslims like to have golden jewelery more than needed...eventually it was one more reason to dig them down for the arkan's cats... do you think serbian soldiers cared more about their greater serbia than stealing from bosnian and albanian homes? even up to today , bosnia has black markets where you can buy anything from 10 year old gypcies to armored vehicles...
I am happy you know more than I thought of Hungary. But again, let me correct you. The economy may be in shambles compared to Japanese, Swiss etc, but here is some statistics by country in Middle Europe in GDP deficit 2010 and anticipated in 2011: Czech- 6.8/4.9%; Slovakia 6.8/4.9%. Romania 6.8-7/5%; Hungary: 3.8/2.94%.
I know there are other factors, but things look brighter than in the other countries introducing a series of austerity measures and begging for IMF loans.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 16:27)
By "middle Europe" you mean Central Europe which is the customary terminology.
Your economic data is some sort of percentage, GDP deficit as a percentage of what? Public Deficit? External Deficit? "GDP Deficit" means nothing to me.
Yes, there are many other indicators that are important in a country economy.
The point is that the Hungarian public debt levels are the highest in Central Europe and Southeastern Europe for that matter are closing in on the levels of Greece. Romania has one of the lowest debt levels along with Bulgaria, but that may also be the lack of investment that is flowing through those countries as well.
External debt is not so bad when it is used to finance the growth of the economy and not lining the pockets of currupt government officials.
Hungary ranks near the top of public debt per GDP capita in the world (15th according to the IMF.
As an onlooker, I am starting to notice a trend with the Albanians in the Balkans. I doubt any of the West will allow these rebels to steal more land than they already are trying to take. If they actually tried to do this in P.Valley, I say...let the tanks roll in. Enough is enough, and I hope my country will give you more ground support. And if need be, roll into Kosovo as well. I don't think the innocent should be killed, but establish order again. Without casualties.
FOR VELIBOR : Milosevic was never convicted of the crimes and to this date there is no evidence of the crimes he might/might not have committed...
Fact#4: He was murdered in Hag>>>>>> am a sick mind ?????? till today i ddnt realise MILOSEVIC WAS IN HAGUE IN PRISON OR IN PROTECTION?and the answer was given from the babic whic died few weeks earlier mini proba before the main spectacol?WHO KNOWS
I have a lot to say but i really cant be bothered explaining european history to every idiot that comes trough here...therefore i will just provide a couple of facts you should read before posting all over this forum...
Albanians claim they've been wronged in 1912...well...maybe if you fought the war with allies instead of axis you wouldnt have been wronged...
For those idiots who compare Albanian's doing to Milosevics doing...keep in mind these things
Fact#1: US Bombed Serbia AND KOSOVO prior to mass leaving of 795,000 Albanians...and used Depleted Bombs which are illegal, hit trains, buses,hospitals,schools
Fact#2: Serbian economy was booming at the time of Milosevic despite all wars during 1998s compared to the stage its at right now
Fact#3: Milosevic was never convicted of the crimes and to this date there is no evidence of the crimes he might/might not have committed...
Fact#4: He was murdered in Hag
and if you consider this bellow a fair trial i really have nothing more to say to you
as for this article. the "the Serbian Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija" is a FICTIONAL position and whatever is says on any matter whatsover is irrelevant.
(AdamNYC)
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Not according to you apparently, it got you aroused didn't it?
I am happy you know more than I thought of Hungary. But again, let me correct you. The economy may be in shambles compared to Japanese, Swiss etc, but here is some statistics by country in Middle Europe in GDP deficit 2010 and anticipated in 2011: Czech- 6.8/4.9%; Slovakia 6.8/4.9%. Romania 6.8-7/5%; Hungary: 3.8/2.94%.
I know there are other factors, but things look brighter than in the other countries introducing a series of austerity measures and begging for IMF loans.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a teachers salary is 400 USD a month. This is actually less than the minimum wage. Also, to be loyal to your name if you have ever been in the Balkans, please do not confuse Slovakia with Slovenia, buy a map please.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 00:35)
Picking on semantics are you' no leg to stand on?
I have been to Budapest many times, great city and people .However, the economy is in a shambles and very corrupt. My friend lives in the hills of Budapest, one of the few who drives a Porche Cayanne and most of his businesses are in a shambles. So before you think you know it all, think twice.
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Albaians ranked very high in the state aparatus of Ottoman empire governing vast majority of Ottoman regions. Many times they had a free hand from the Sultan, as Hight Porte could not rule them outright. If they only wanted to exterminate and cleanse Serbs they could have done so easily.
Further Serbia took advantage of Albania's weak position in the early 1900s and with the help of your mothership, Russia u did gain a lot of territories at the expense of Albanians.
You couldn't dare to do it after WWII, indeed Tito's policies toward Albanians were soft and moderate, (see Bujan conference resolution between JCP and ACP) even though Albania iteself was considered a major threat towards Yugo, just go ask someone who served in the yugo army those days.
Even though K-Albs were less organized and lacked any basic equipment, organization or structure to resist properly to Serbian oppresion, Serbia never had its way with K-Alb. Kosovo never rested in peace while under Serbia, just check history. We always fought back to the bitter end, against all odds.
(Denis, 3 November 2010 14:18)
Wait a second - straight from (Albanian) horse's mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG5ecO60lY
Much truth in that movie, but look, what Albanian poster (and the Canadian professor he cites) tells about Albanians at 7:07 and at 7:13. The entire movie is (mildly speaking) not about Albanians not attacking anyone, LOL - just the opposite. The author is visibly proud of the violent past. Further, read 7:07 and 7:13 again and again - it confirms what is clear to anyone who knows historical and religious buildings spread over Kosovo: before 17th Century Kosovo wasn't part of the Albanian equation.
In some sense, Romano-Albanians created two monsters: one is "Daco-Roman", the other is "Illyrian". Some scientists claim, Romanians and Albanians are relatied... perhaps.
All I can say, "iriqi"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcfyNEXo_NQ
is like "arici".
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arici
But the similarities of "Daco-Roman" and "Illyrian" fairy-tales go well beyond the similarity of Romanian and Albanian hedgehogs.
1) Both my parents are (were) crazy having been teachers, I know the drill
2) I sent you the statistics ONLY base net salary for teachers. Facts are facts, even if you are csontkonzervativ like me.
I did not inherit anything except a mortgage from my teacher parents, thanks to the low esteem and salary of the profession, but we should not jump into extremes as far as 400 USD.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a (Hruz, 3 November 2010 00:35)
Some may make that salary, but that was not my assertion. However, if you want, more than happy to as bring you statistics. I can assure you it's not even close to the standard in Western Europe and North America.
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Oh very easy answer. A country not even 100 years old, it did not have much capability to attack. The only time when it had some strength, during the communist period, that strength went into total isolation. But even that strength was not comparable with that of Yugoslavia. But what is the point of your question? Are you are implying that Albania would have attacked somebody if it had strength? now, that brings us into the realm of the imaginary and there we can invent whatever we want. I won't go there with you though, it is pointless conversation. Here is what is real: from one side there are around 40 Serbian generals and high state officials being processed or having been processed for war crimes in the Hague, and from the other side an Albanian former club bouncer and some peasant. Explain this high difference of professionalism among convicts. Serbia's strength is covered in shame. Albania's strength never existed.
Top, if for Serbia "Europe has no alternative" for Albania and Kosovo it is 100 times more so, so the chances of something as destructive as the 90's being started from the Albanian side are pretty pretty low. Plus as Dan said, with what strength? Albania is in NATO, even if it has some strength, it will do what the big dogs say, Kosovo has a very small army, its security (Serbia is its biggest threat) is provided by NATO.
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Albaians ranked very high in the state aparatus of Ottoman empire governing vast majority of Ottoman regions. Many times they had a free hand from the Sultan, as Hight Porte could not rule them outright. If they only wanted to exterminate and cleanse Serbs they could have done so easily.
Further Serbia took advantage of Albania's weak position in the early 1900s and with the help of your mothership, Russia u did gain a lot of territories at the expense of Albanians.
You couldn't dare to do it after WWII, indeed Tito's policies toward Albanians were soft and moderate, (see Bujan conference resolution between JCP and ACP) even though Albania iteself was considered a major threat towards Yugo, just go ask someone who served in the yugo army those days.
Even though K-Albs were less organized and lacked any basic equipment, organization or structure to resist properly to Serbian oppresion, Serbia never had its way with K-Alb. Kosovo never rested in peace while under Serbia, just check history. We always fought back to the bitter end, against all odds.
.1) Low fat milk in my interpretation is white coloured fatty water, not realy milk, I would not spend a dime on it.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09
That's what most Hungarians do say. You won't be able to talk my kids into anything over 1%. We did buy even 0.0% in the States, but so far the lowest in Europe is 0.5%, except in Srpska (Bosnia) where so far I did not see anything under 0.8%,
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The supermarket you mention is by far not the cheapest, it is not fair to compare prices of i.e ETC/Albi you name which other big hypermarkets with more expensive ones. Look around in the buggest hypermarkets for prices.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09)
There is nothing under 1.5% available in Hungary - at least in the area. Except the store I did mention. They used to have 0.5% in Auchan and Metro - not anymore. Lidl in Sturovo has 0.5% in their own packaging, sometimes from Hungary, sometimes from Slovakia, sometimes from CZ. Kids like it and the price at 0.4 Euro is OK.
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As you see, 400 USD is in fact almost 600 USD, which would also not buy you a yacht but I prefer to stick to the facts.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09)
Yes, with all "üdülési utalvány" and "félárú MÁV jegy" and food-stamp it's indeed more than $400. I do completely disregard such "perks" or "benefits". I am "csontkonzervatív" on that - just give me cold, hard cash instead of some silliness I don't need. Example: the half-fare MÁV ticket is worth nothing (for me) if it is not valid on international travel. I understand the circumstances why it is provided, I do not like the circumstances.
And - btw - teacher salary here also depends on the number of hours they take or allowed to take. You can't buy a yacht from $3000/month in California either - but at least it shows more respect towards that very tough profession. In Hungary traditionally the teachers are treated like dirt and that has to change, only crazy people chose that profession.
As they say, "half the knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance".
1) Low fat milk in my interpretation is white coloured fatty water, not realy milk, I would not spend a dime on it. I buy for my family the 2.8% one, which is continuously in danger of being canceled due to EU standards for strange reasons, as not complying with the 0.5, 0.9, 1.5, 3.5 etc categories, althoug tradidionally Hungarians prefer 2.8 over 1.5 or 3.5 fat (same goes for Slovakia as I understand)
The supermarket you mention is by far not the cheapest, it is not fair to compare prices of i.e ETC/Albi you name which other big hypermarkets with more expensive ones. Look around in the buggest hypermarkets for prices.
Having family ties in Felvidék, I remember the time I went over there with an empty tank and came back fully refueled and with lots of groceries.
Times change, and now Hungarian stores are crowded with Slovaks so bad (good) that the hypermarkets in the neighbouring cities in Hungary had to be extended twice their size.
Slovakia is now paying the price of too quickly introducing Euro, the purchasing power of their salary decreased rapidly, unless they spend it abroad (Hungary) which in turn suffocating smaller businesses and triggers uneployment near the borders. Just take a walk in the deserted shops of the recently renovated promenade of Sturovo.
Regarding the salaries of teachers, the lowest is of kindergarden teachers' who take an everage of 149.500 HUF gross or 106.908 net (554 USD) monthly, without all other allowances, benefits, like family bonus, overtime, special classes etc. Primary school teachers get 162.200 HUF gross or 112.700 net (590 USD).
As you see, 400 USD is in fact almost 600 USD, which would also not buy you a yacht but I prefer to stick to the facts.
"The few Albanians that the article talks about today cannot be even remotely compared to a state apparatus bent on pursuing a nutjob idea.
To make this clearer: when did Albania ever attack any state in the Balkans as Serbia did?"
(KU, 3 November 2010 05:46)
You are right, you cannot compare it. Not yet! But it can become dangerous if people (like Kurti) are guided by these crude ideas of a "greater Albania". It's better to stop the ball running right on time before it's too late. We all know that Kurti has a lot of followers and supporters amongst the Kosovo Albanians. What will happen if he (god beware) will come into power one day, voted by the same idiotic nationalistic bunch of people (of other ethnicity) who brought Milosevic into power?
So... An Albanian in Presevo is unable to get a job, because someone else happens to be better than him/her at it. That's how they're being oppressed? That's cool, I suppose. Sounds disgustingly similar to Kosovo in the '80s: an Albanian loses a job to someone else because he happens to be better than him, and then he happens to look at that person's nationality, and oh my God! He's a Serb! I GUESS THAT MEANS THE STATE IS OPPRESSING ME! SOMEONE IS BETTER THAN ME AT MY JOB! INDEPENDENCE FOR KOSOVA! Bla bla bla.
Besides, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I've been to Bujanovac, and I'm not exactly sure why someone would WANT possession of that little armpit. It's like someone saying they want to go on a honeymoon in blooming Somalia because they happen to like Africa.
No need for idiotic ideas such as wars to claim places that even in your wildest dreams you can't do anything about. That is the fastest way to unravel our nation and the achievements we've gotten so far through blood and hard work.
(johny, 2 November 2010 23:20)
A typically soft Tosk response. Fortunately, we exist who have made war and will do so again.
“media are reporting that Self-Determination Movement leader Albin Kurti and Preševo municipal President Ragmi Mustafa are the only politicians from the region who supported the list.”
That is very disappointing about Kurti. Everything else about the new Vetevendosje program looks good to me, including its calls for direct democracy, opposition to neo-liberalism and to privatisation of strategic assets, emphasis on public as well as private economy, and insistence that any international presence should only be on the basis of complete independence, as a partner, not a vassal.
All this, and his opposition to the ruling clique’s corruption, puts him on a collision course with the regime in Pristina; unfortunately, like so many before him, being oppositional has not been enough to sustain Kurti and so it instead has apparently propelled him into radical nationalism as part of the “oppositionism,” a most unfortunate development with a catastrophic outcome.
“Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. I hope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)”
Neither Albania nor Kosovo/a has room for chauvinistic nut-jobs, just as Serbia, and for that matter Croatia, did not have room for them in the 1990s but they forced their way in and made similar absurd declarations to yours. Only the end of your co-thinkers, Milosevic and Tudjman, saved them from the brink, though a little late in the case of Serbia.
You remind me “patriotic” whites in southern USA who used to dress in white hoods.
The ideas of a greater Albania and of a greater Serbia are equally dangerous.The only difference is that so far the idea of greater albania covers only albanian majority areas while the idea of a greater serbia covers all of Kosovo.
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
You are a racist and intolerant fool. Either that of you are a WUMmer.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 November 2010 14:50)
As ideas they may be similar, as factual reality the two types of nutjobs are not similar. For example, the books of Marx were just paper, until some nutjobs led by crazy Lenin and crazier Stalin managed to obtain a whole state (and a pretty big one) to supposedly go after those ideas. And what a mess they made.
In a smaller scale, the big difference between the Albanian nutjobs and the Serbian ones is who commands a state and who does not. The head of those nutjobs that wreacked [sic] havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s was at the same time the head of Serbia. And that means that he commanded the army, the police, the secret services, the economy, in short the resources of a whole 8 million strong nation, which went in large part to the nutjobs in Bosnia. The few Albanians that the article talks about today cannot be even remotely compared to a state apparatus bent on pursuing a nutjob idea.
To make this clearer: when did Albania ever attack any state in the Balkans as Serbia did?
this would give Serbia, Greece,FYROM, and Montenegro to crush them once and for all. How stupid can the Albanians be to keep making territorial demands to two of the most powerful countries in the Balkans, Serbia and Greece?
(Anonymous, 3 November 2010 00:08)
really? come now anonymous serb... you really think Greece would not Eyeball Macedonia? interesting your choice in using FYROM. what of bosnia, croatia then? sit around and do nothing?
the history of the balkans is riddled with slavs immigrating into the area and killing each other... with albanians constantly caught up in there nonsense.
The biggest threat to non-albanians in the balkans has ALWAYS been other non-albanians.
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as for this article. the "the Serbian Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija" is a FICTIONAL position and whatever is says on any matter whatsover is irrelevant.
My views on a "Greater Serbia" myth are well known. My views on a "Greater/ Natural Albania" will refelct those same views. Both are artificial illusions. Just as the world didnt allow the former , so they will not allow the latter. Any person who doesnt understand that , clearlly does not understand politics. No one will recognise a "greater anything" in the balkans , it would be far to distabilising and politics demands balance. Seems rather idiotic that those who opposed Serbias territorial grabs in the '90 , now use that same argument to jusify a "natural" or "Greater Albania."
No one in the Balkans has the political , economic or military power to do anything on their own. And given the last 20 years experince , thats a good thing!!!
1) you probably missed the word "low-fat" in the milk thing. One liter of 0.5% fat milk is 280 Forint. If you can get that milk at all. The CBA at Széphalom has it. Many stores don't. This is what we used to drink in the States. So I have to drive once in a while to Sturovo and buy Slovak or Czech for 0.38 - 0.44 Cent, depending on the luck. If you are fine with the milk having more fat - it's up to you.
2) Unfortunately there is still some misconception about the "American" cars being "gas guzzlers". Of course, there are some. Most are not. I am not talking about the big losers like Chrysler - GM - Ford USA. They are behind the expectations and of dismal quality. I am speaking about Honda - Toyota - Mazda - Mitsu - Hyundai - Kia - VW made for American market and of course Merc-Bimmer-Audi (also for the U.S. market).
They consume at average 9 - 12 liter / 100 km which is very good for such heavy bodies. It's much less the engine size counts than the weight of the car. You can put a little Euro-wonder engine in a US-specification Honda or Toyota minivan, it won't consume much less, than mine with it's 3.7 liters. I can do about 10-12 liters / 100 km (or ca. 20 miles on a gallon). That is a standard thing for the car that big. Best is on Kosovo gasoline, sold in North Kosovo. On that fuel I can do about 8 liters. For the entire Pristina-Budapest (or better: Zvecan - Budapest) I tank only in PR or KM area, that's it.
But there are of course "gas guzzlers" on the market - but they are not in the car category I can afford. The car market in the States is completely different than in Europe. Believe me, once you try what is good - you never want to go back.
Regarding the registration tax: it was made by total amateurs who have no clout about US-models and the market overseas. Having no clout is not an excuse. But hey, that entire "regadó" thing was done to rip people off anyway.
The information is out there for you, prices and technical data inclusive on Edmund's web site, www.edmunds.com
3) Combining 1) with 2): yes, I do drive two-three times a year to Sturovo in Slovakia and load that 3.7 liter "gas guzzler" American monster with Japanese brand (LOL!) with about 100-120 liters of 0.5% milk. Saves probably 60 Dollars or more.
4) A teacher with teaching math in English language (a specialty!) would earn in a (name withhold) state-owned Gimnazium in a very well-off district of Budapest about 80000 Forint / month. That's it. I have no idea, what is the business doing that, probably nothing. But wife likes doing it.
Albanians will get what belongs to them and there is nothing Serbia or anyone else can do. As for those Serbs living in Bosnia I don't think that Albos are going to interfere in someone elses business, if Serbs there want to separate they can deal with Bosniaks and Croats.
The Albanain case isn't about a Greater Albania project but it's about correcting the mistakes that were made in the past. You should check out Balkan maps dating back in 18th, 19th, and 20th century. I wonder how my grandfathers cousins ended up in Izmir(Turkey). The truth will prevail.
serbia wants to join europe and refuses that albanians meet other albanians!Funny,no!
You have lost this battle too because we will be united as albanians,like it or not, in Europe!But we will be even more united if you persit on your oppression of presheva valley
Well if you lack knowlage and your decoding abilities are close to zero than for you it is a nonsense but not for Ataman who is in possesion of both and I have no doubt he completly understood what I wrote to him.Otherwise reading some of your comments I am sure you would also agree with my comment provided you could decode it.
(lakatos öcsi, 2 November 2010 22:38)
I completely understood your comment. I do not agree with it in that form tough, my view about both groups is somewhat more positive than yours. Also my problems and conflicts are of different nature. But yes, there are some funny and not-so-funny things about both.
See, everyone has own problems. Some may get into ballistic mood by debating about Great Serbia versus Great Albania. I got today into ballistic mood regarding the car registration fees.
Hruz really needs to wake up, yes, this is the reality: you move back to Hungary after long life in the States, you take your humble family minivan which pollutes less, than anything comparable ever sold in Europe (because it's a vehicle complying with California emission standard) - than some Hungarian black hole tells you that for that great privilege to get Hungarian license plate you have to pay an amount which could be 11, could be well over 20 thousand Euro and that tax serves "environment protection".
And it does not matter - if someone is from Vojvodina and moves to Hungary, he will face the same problem. I did see VERY nice cars in Hungarian villages of Vojvodina... for these people if Trianon would be magically reversed - that would mean a financial disaster.
Of course, we could demand that people who move into the country would be exempted. In particular because that tax is very much damages the ethnic Hungarians who live abroad. But the grand thieves do not care. Our beloved ex-PM Ferenc Lopcsány, I mean, sorry, Ferenc Gyurcsány did say once in an interview: "who does not like it, feel free to move to Slovakia". It's like Tadic would say "who lives here and does not like, feel free to move to Albania". A PM just can't say such things, what an amateurish approach.
And since Gyurcsány is gone: nothing changed really, except that Viktor Orbán took good care how to cement himself for as long period as possible + make political revenge.
I hope the Albanian Goverment attempts at trying to create greater Albania becuse then this would give Serbia, Greece,FYROM, and Montenegro to crush them once and for all. How stupid can the Albanians be to keep making territorial demands to two of the most powerful countries in the Balkans, Serbia and Greece?
The two of you are competing for the "who knows less of Hungary" contest and in leading position.
First of all. Bringing extreme examples of a 6 cylinder 3.5 liter vehicle import and wonder about the punitive tax on gas guzzlers in Hungary, let me enlighten you that USA is going to resort to the same as they begin to realize that not signing the Kyoto Agreement will not pump more clean air over the States.
Ataman, I see you perfect yourself in milk production as well. Please check out a shop before saying a liter of milk is 1 euro in Hungary. Maybe you can buy in an expensive gas station for 1 euro, but I just bought 1 carton of Alpsko for 50 Euro cents apiece but even without a special discount is not more than 70-80 cents.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a teachers salary is 400 USD a month. This is actually less than the minimum wage. Also, to be loyal to your name if you have ever been in the Balkans, please do not confuse Slovakia with Slovenia, buy a map please.
And This Dream will NEVER BECOME REALITY!
well.i am an adept of the "believe in your dreams,they will become true" clan!I wrote this message on the wall in Berlin in 1989,because it was my father's dream to see the end of the communist area,it became true!Then we dreamed for the end of serbian oppression in kosova,and it became true!we now dream for cameria first and for presheva next,because these places are the places where albanians are suffering opression.We do fight for our liberty,even if the price is hight,because it is a valuable thing and we do miss this liberty in cameria,preshevo and makedonia.
"Great albania" -as you say-natural albania -as we say- is already a reality,like it or not! Don't even waste your time to change that fact ,you will fail!You have failed all these centuries during which you had your army,your intelligentsia,your economic power and your international supports to erase,kill and oppress our people,you will fail now that our conditions are incomparable to the previous ones!
Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. Ihope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)
Yea? And who gave you the authority to to decide who's a patriot and who's not.
The point is that attitudes that are not only shunned by the rest of the world but are actively punished through bombing campaigns, do not constitute patriotism but rather the highest point of treachery. If you don't have a clue as to what I am talking about take a look at what this brand of "patriotism" brought for Serbia and the Serbs. If your idea of "patriotism" is bringing bombs and isolation to the Albanian nation by the Western civilization you're not only a traitor to the cause of progress for our nation but you're the Serb ultra-nationalists' best buddy; bed buddy that is.
The EU is where we undo our borders and that will be the blessing of everyone. No need for idiotic ideas such as wars to claim places that even in your wildest dreams you can't do anything about. That is the fastest way to unravel our nation and the achievements we've gotten so far through blood and hard work.
Actually the purpose of UCK was to unite Albanian lands, but the ideology of greater albania in uck was more of a sort of to boost the morale of the soldiers, serbian army was far more powerful, so in order to compesate psychologically , instead of saying that the fight was just for kosovo, the idea that the fight was for a much greater goal, greater than life, for a goal greater than all events in history, seemed quite convincing for the men who were holding the trenches...but, we all know that UCK agreed to submit its weapons to NATO and consqequently admit a solution from international community and we all know that the main condition was indipendence at a cost of unified albania, we all know that uck soldiers generally knew three languages at least, they could imagine that by submitting guns to NATO, greater Albania would never happen....if UCK gave up greater Albania, it is not even logical to say that Albanians are still strugling for the what our nationalists and patriots envisioned in 1878 and 1911 ... past is past...if Fyrom and Serbia treated Albanians like Montenegro is treating albanian minority now, the conflicts of 1999 and 2001 could be avoided. For instance , why would Albanians of Montenegro jeopardise the future of all country only to fullfil a patriotic vision of 1878 and 1911... the seek for so called greater albania did not come because of nationalist feelings, it came because the state sponsored state in former yugoslavia and in FYROM was becoming unbearable, and i m not talking about language, school and hospitals, i m talking about total socio-economical discrimination applied systematically by the state back then...so in order to escape, an idea of uniting with Albania seemed appealing.
Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. Ihope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)
You are right, Flamur. See this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set
OK, a bit more explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth
In other words: since there won't be such thing as "Greater Albania", than the statement "In Greater Albania every Toyota minivan will be powered by New York cheesecake instead of gasoline" is a true statement.
Also, I wonder why you babble about registering 20+ year old wrecks
(Hruz, 2 November 2010 19:35)
Not of course, these old Zastava or Lada cars are probably more than 20 year old and good for selling as part.
Let's look instead for a 2011 spanking new Toyota Sienna with California emissions, the most strict emission standard in the world. Safe car, cheap (ca. 24K USD will take it home).
Note, that you probably will get "4" in the "környezetvédelmi osztály" (to make you pay) or if you are nice, than maybe "better, than 8".
Either case, fill it out and click on "Kiszámítás".
Here is what you get:
>8 = 3207000 Forints or 11,841.06 EUR
"6-8" = 4821000 Forints or 17,800.35 EUR
"4" = 6425000 Forints or 23,722.73 EUR
Most likely, you will be asked to pay 23,722.73 EUR for the new Hungarian license plate, only lucky few will "get away" with 17,800.35 EUR or 11,841.06 EUR
That is again not the duty or VAT, it's "registration tax", a complete joke and against the E.U. guidelines.
And speaking about these old wrecks... here I was wrong indeed.
The owner of an old Zastava from 1986 with worst possible ("
pocakos lakatos-
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You have posted utter-nonsense. but thank you for bringing some light into my day :)
(trudsaam, 2 November 2010 20:32)
Well if you lack knowlage and your decoding abilities are close to zero than for you it is a nonsense but not for Ataman who is in possesion of both and I have no doubt he completly understood what I wrote to him.Otherwise reading some of your comments I am sure you would also agree with my comment provided you could decode it.
Well, both sides will have to get used to it. There will be no "Greater" Albania and also no "Greater" Serbia.It would be better if both sides would go on on their way to Europe. Anything else are only dreams.
Well one thing is for sure. The great powers sure made a mess in the early 1900 and now we are suffering the consequences. One only has to see Serbian territories in the late 1800 early 1900 to see how they trippled while Alb teritories shrinked.
Albanians were very naive to not use their powers under the ottoman empire to solidify their territories, and they paid for it dearly later.
In any case, the idea of Greater Albania is not very appealing to albanians from Albania, whoever has the slightess knowledge of the matter knows that very well. In Albania itself, they see it as a rather economic advantage rather then a territorial one.
As for Albania being poor, well it's funny when this assessment comes from Serbia. I mean Serbs don't fair that much better even though they had a better start from Tito's Yugo.
But in any case, as you serbs proved very clearly in the 90s, I guess money and well being was not enough to eliminate ignorance and savegry. You still managed to kill and murder and cleanse and plunder in the name of Greater Serbia.....
Somebody is afraid of London Conference ! BTW Rom Macedonians in Albania are 0.004 % AND NOT 40 % AS YOU CLAIM.Macedonia has 40% Albanians.Yours and Srbs propaganda does not hold water in Europe anymore.London conference will tell you everything.Who is European and who come from Asia.
(Beni, 2 November 2010 14:43)
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Oh yes, I can see it all now. NATO is going to fire on all of them until they decide to go "back" to Asia and leave all that area for Albanians to spread.
yes yes great albania hand in hand with great otoman(turkish) empire the answer is the next :http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=26&nav_id=62600
RELAX RELAX RELAX AND ENJOY YOU FRAPE,cafa, turkish cafa which in fact is egyptian cafa the egyptian mercenars was drinking cafa during otoman empire, turkish was drinking tea like today with all their islamist friends, REMEMBER THE NEXT RULE : SERBIANS WILL STOP THE TURKS and GREEKS WILL STOP THE ALBANIANS.thats its good night
GDP per capita based on the IMF; as you can clearly see Slovania and the Czech republic are ahead of Hungary. Hungary continues to struggle and its debt to GDP is even higher compared to the two other countries.
It is no surpise that a teacher in Hungary makes only 400 dollars per month.
36 Czech Republic 24,271
37 Seychelles 23,744
38 Malta 23,667
39 Saudi Arabia 23,272
40 Portugal 22,671
41 Barbados 22,272
42 Slovakia 21,245
43 Trinidad and Tobago[4] 19,759
44 Equatorial Guinea[5] 18,573
45 Hungary 18,506
All these ideologies are a sham and have nothing to do with the reality stricken in the Balkans, or even in Europe. The purpose behind these “Greater” analogies such as; Greater Serbia, Greater Albania, Great Croatia, Great Greece, Greater Macedonia…. bla bla bla… etc etc… is to pull the individual away from the real concerns and become focused on something that they really have NO control over.
Now it appears that we all have our nationalist perspectives alongside with nationalist beliefs (at least from what I can tell from this site). The question one must ask themselves is what are “you” going to do about it. It’s really easy for us to sit back behind a computer at home and rant all day online; criticizing politicians, criticizing posters and their beliefs and exclaim with emotional outbursts of “What needs/will to happen”.
The point I am trying to make here is what in fact is being done? Is their a purpose behind this egotistical view of a Greater_____ (fill in the blank)?
While we are busy online arguing with each other, we seem to forget the logistics and reason of why we are here in the first place. Firstly; We are all unhappy with the current situation in the Balkans. I don’t care whether you’re a Serb, Albano, Greek, Croat or whatever. We all want change to happen for the better of our people. Correct? Now here’s the kicker….. There is not 1 solution that will make all of us happy, so what can be done. IF we consider ourselves as humanitarians and being peace-seekers, how does the political establishment of a nation make these things happen? From the looks of it, it seems this is all about “Balkan Domination”, with no other vision in mind.
It’s time for an awakening. What are we as individuals going to do to better society? Are we going to choose to remain stuck in the past and dream all day and night about “our” “Greater” nation, while we work our 9-5 mon-fri office jobs?.......
And even in a democracy, the state has the duty to observe all extremists who have goals that oppose the consitution. Observe and watch, not kill or imprison, to remind you.
(Top, 2 November 2010 14:54)
Yes Top in Demokracy that is tru, what I have to remind you is that we albanians know very well what serbian demokracy means. But it looks like you not talking about that.
Maybe today, If there would be a greater Albania ,
Albanians would represent 80-90% BUT IN 1913 NOT!!!
At that time Albanians represented around 30-35% of 2 Mil people in that Region, That is why Albanians Failed to create a Greater Albania in 1913!!!
And This Dream will NEVER BECOME REALITY!
I do not know where you live but surely not in Hungary, otherwise you would not compare with Slovakia especially, where oppression of minorities is a state policy. Also, I wonder why you babble about registering 20+ year old wrecks but if you knew a bit about the topic of registering vehicles, you would know that there is a depreciation factor to the registration tax, as much as 98% depending on the age of the car. It is not pleasant to py the tax but at least Hungary can avoid to be the junkyard of Europe like the shining star Slovakia (check out statistics)or even Czech, not to mention Bulgaria. Just drive along E75 once and you will see the endless convoys of junk cars hauled to Bulgaria on trailers.
I know you just wanted to be funny as always, but do it with grace, without losing credibility, your posts are mostly very good though.
This is not good for the Albanians in the eyes of the international community, especially with negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina looming. The Kosovo dispute is nowhere near being finalized, and separatist Albanians are seeking to claim more land. What is going on in their heads?
Cancel the Treaty of London or Berlin Conference? WTF is that? What's next cancel the Roman occupation in the Balkans? Snap out of it and come back to reality.
As for Kurti and those form Presheva Valley, this is indeed done for political pressure. Not a smart way to exert political pressure, considering that this spells automatic loss of support and isolation from the rest of the world; seeing that they despise such radical ideas. How are they going to to exert pressure when not only no important player supports them but they fight the very same ideas they propose?
(johny, 2 November 2010 17:08)
Yes, after I learned than low-fat milk being 70-80 Eurocent at Emona in Vushtrri and close to 1 Euro in Serbia and Hungary (compare: about 40 Eurocent in Slovakia and about two Dollars for a gallon in the States) I felt, there are some bigger problems than Berlin Conference.
In particular, that in a junior teacher position my wife earned about $3000 / month and in a more senior position in Hungary she earned about $400 / month. It looks, like the milk prices do not reflect the salaries.
If revising the Treaty of London, the Trianon or Berlin Conference would help on that, please, by any means.
But I am just afraid, revising anything and doing more country-building experiments will just send an other wave of immigrants to the West... you know, where milk is cheaper, people earn 10 times more, the government does not want to rob you (that much) and country-building experiments (at least at home!) are the thing of the past.
"Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
(Ataman, 2 November 2010 16:48) "
Hi, Ataman - I was willing to let you have the last word with your call to develop the small countries that already exist in the area. (How did you get as many minuses as pluses for that??)
Anyway, looks like there's been a lot of bad (= patriotic) history written in the Balkans. Leading to a lot of daydreaming - it's clearly easier to dream of how wonderful life would be with different borders than work to elect slightly less venal politicians than the ones currently in power, for example. Remember how your dreams of a perfect America turned out? It's just people, that's all we've got to work with. No heroes. I figure conditions would be about the same in Greater Whatever, but only after the inevitable violence that accompanies exchanges of populations. (This will be brief - I have to go vote now to try to keep a good governor attempting to govern in hard times in office.)
Today Albania is poverty stricken and crime infested. Now albanians want to steal more land and make it poor and undeveloped.
If you are so proud of your country and land why are so many albanians leaving for a better life in, for example, Germany, Sweden, Afghanistan and Somalia?
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
(Bekim, 2 November 2010 16:09)
Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
(Ataman, 2 November 2010 16:48)
Well based on look and behaviour I could hardly imagine better Lakatos brothers than albanians themselves.Otherwise it was good to learn how much gypsies contributed to mathematics, olympic games ,sciences and arts.Having been threatened to share Cozma's fate 3 times during the last year it is something new for me.Seems it is never to late to learn something interesting.Was Pitagoras of slavonic or gypsy origin anyway?Maybe someone taught by Gyapai and Kavics knows the answer.Especially if we take into account than Fazekas secondary school was not so far from mSzigony street and Mátyás squre.
"In 50 years when the entire balkan peninsula is happily a minor province in a federal Europe, no one is going to give a flying f*** where the internal lines are
(Danilo, 2 November 2010 16:56)"
And so serfdom suits you guys in the Balkans to a T? Then why stop at EU? Might as well go all teh way and become Nato's lackeys as well! And be suckered into dying for the Yankee cause in Iraq and Afghanistan!
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 November 2010 14:50)
Well for once I agree with Niall. These nutjobs are out of it. Cancel the Treaty of London or Berlin Conference? WTF is that? What's next cancel the Roman occupation in the Balkans? Snap out of it and come back to reality.
As for Kurti and those form Presheva Valley, this is indeed done for political pressure. Not a smart way to exert political pressure, considering that this spells automatic loss of support and isolation from the rest of the world; seeing that they despise such radical ideas. How are they going to to exert pressure when not only no important player supports them but they fight the very same ideas they propose?
However the good thing in this that these people do not have popular support; and are rather isolated in Albania.
After reading this story, I didn't bother any comments, but went directly to post my own. I haven't laughed so hard, since Kiribati recognized the Albanian UDI. The idea of a "Greater Albania", is like creating a larger dump out of several smaller ones. Do these psycho nationalistic separatist Albanians have anything better to do, than keep attempting to steal land from sovereign nations? This is what happens when people live in poverty, are unemployed, ignorant, and have never moved out of the stone age. Take some advice, oh proud Albanians of the two-faced eagle, work on improving the conditions where you live, and stop trying to steal more land to impoverish. You really are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
The splitting up of the Balkans has opened the Pandora Box, namely Albanian nationalism which threatens the small states that broke away from the state of Jugoslavia.
FYROM is the most shaky and many forgot that a civil war raged on and will probably ignite again. Montenegro is also threatened with a growing Albanian population.
These small states will get what they deserve, instead of staying with a strong federated Yugoslavia, they chose the route of weakening themsleves with thier own nationalistic policies of the so called "ethnicity" of Montenegrins while FYROM continues to steal Greek Hellenic history and claim it as thier own.
Some extremist Albanians fully claim Illyria as their ancient civilization when in reality an equal claim can me made for Albanians originating from the Ghengis Khan tribes that ravaged Europe or the Huns and Avars that invaded Europe as well.
In 50 years when the entire balkan peninsula is happily a minor province in a federal Europe, no one is going to give a flying f*** where the internal lines are
Only since then? Unbelievable. You must have forgotten the Dinosaurus Albanicus which were living there long, long before!
(Top, 2 November 2010 14:32)
I think, it is a big burden to live with such worries day-to-day as "Shqiperia Kombetare". I can't imagine myself in such situation. In particular, many who have that burden live in E.U., USA, Canada. These are fine countries to live in, offering many possibilities to succeed in life... IMO: get out and get a life and much more pleasant worries.
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Fair Enough, maybe get with the Hungarians and support the revision of the Trianon treaty too.
Facts our on our side, how can they be wrong?
(Drowntherday, 2 November 2010 12:46)
I don't really care tough. If, say, Edi Rama (or whoever, be him Hugo Chavez or Arnold Schwarzenegger) can prove me, he can manage Hungary - he is welcome to take that mess.
But no, all I see Albanian government can offer is just an other mess. Thank-you-very-much, we have here mess big enough already. Keywords: mismanagement, corruption, robbery instead of fair taxation, Balkan mentality, Socialism.
As far as Trianon Treaty: yep, it was unfair. But at this moment it is 100% irrelevant because even if revised it would merely mean a mess of bigger size than it's today.
Example. Some Vojvodina-Hungarians would not mind if borders change... till they would learn, their income decreases about 10-15% percent (at least), their taxes increase and they have to pay 1000 Euro at minimum to re-register their old Lada or Zastava. Unlucky not-so-few with American or German SUV-s would land up paying about 10000 - 15000 Euro, just for the new license plate (no, it's not VAT or import duty - it's the price of a new pair Hungarian license plates). Wonder, why who can - has German, American, Slovak, Swiss plates? Hungary is really a pathetically managed country. Slovakia, Serbia or Croatia look like shining stars in comparison.
Now after that every sane person would just show a middle finger to such government-sponsored theft.
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
(Bekim, 2 November 2010 16:09)
Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
In the meantime we'll be working towards the unificationn of all Albanians in one state.
Shqiperia e shqiptareve!!!
(Zoti, 2 November 2010 15:46)
Please work on "little" Albania first being an exception to the pathetic rest in the region: good wages, fair taxation, transparent government, no corruption. The smaller the country, the easier is obviously the task to get a drastic improvement in the quality of life. Otherwise all you get is a mess spread over larger territory.
Serbs are an ethnic majority in 49% of Bosnia/Herzegovina terrritory numbering over 1.5million people and yet they are unable to withdraw from Bosnia and unite with their brothers on the other side of Drina river and Albanians are demanding an entire rearrangement of the entire Balkan region just so they can get 7-8 smaller towns in which they have a population majority...I dont now, or will ever see any logic in this...
so albania has 35% none albanians because albania was never your land it was greek-serbian lands and part of albania is also in macedonia
(rom, 2 November 2010)
I clicked on that link and it took me a website called History of Macedonia. I can't beleieve the mods woule allow such links in here.
In any event you guys can crow all you want about Albania being 35% minorities. I'd like for you go and find them. In the meantime we'll be working towards the unificationn of all Albanians in one state.
Shqiperia e shqiptareve!!!
It is not Great Albania, but I would call it Liberated and Natural Albania. This will project that will inevitably be completed in the near future will mark the end of Slavic occupation towards indigenous and the oldest people of the Balkans - The Albanians, paving the way for peace, security and prosperity in the region and further.
(PRN, 2 November 2010 11:49)
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
You are a racist and intolerant fool. Either that of you are a WUMmer.
We live in our lands since the Homo erectus times.
(ben, 2 November 2010 11:55)
Only since then? Unbelievable. You must have forgotten the Dinosaurus Albanicus which were living there long, long before!
They're going to investigate them because they attended a meeting that will ask the ICJ to consider the London Conference of 1913. This is "democracy" in Serbia.
(KOSO, 2 November 2010 13:56)
Of course, democratic countries must carefully watch and prevent all forms of extremism!
Somebody is afraid of London Conference ! BTW Rom Macedonians in Albania are 0.004 % AND NOT 40 % AS YOU CLAIM.Macedonia has 40% Albanians.Yours and Srbs propaganda does not hold water in Europe anymore.London conference will tell you everything.Who is European and who come from Asia.
"Are they going to make investigations for all the people who participated to meetings that had for goal a greater Serbia ?? I doubt so ...
In a free country, people should participate to whatever eveent they want ...in free country ..."
(vev, 2 November 2010 11:52)
And even in a democracy, the state has the duty to observe all extremists who have goals that oppose the consitution. Observe and watch, not kill or imprison, to remind you.
They're going to investigate them because they attended a meeting that will ask the ICJ to consider the London Conference of 1913. This is "democracy" in Serbia. Screw you, I official support ETHNIC ALBANIA (Shqiperia Kombetare).
for 1 the albanians are majority in preshovo and not in Bujanovac and i guess they did not mention Medveđa because they are so little there but any way well in albania the greeks are 100% majority in all of south albania so think about that and you want part of greece. and in montenegro you are majority in 1 little town lol and you want half of that you better wake up because you albanians are none european peoples and what wil hapen is war and in albania 35% of albania is none albanians so yu better be carefull what you wish for because there is 200,000 slavic macedonians there also and then there is 90,000 serbs in the north and the greeks live in the entire south albania and here is the link from
Greater Albania will never materialise? And this is coming from a nation that was supremely confident that Kosova was never going to be part of Albania. Check? Now, you can pretend that you know our position and that you'll try to convince yourselves that you have taken every measure possible to stop this from hapenning but eventually you will find that you cannot. Check in waiting! We will not rest until we have it all back.
P.S
Our Albanian minority is growing by day in South West Serbia, so you know what that means. Kosova was not the original Albanian boarder.
"The conclusion of the meeting in Tirana is that the List for Natural Albania will submit a request to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to review the London Conference of 1913, as well as the Congress of Berlin, so as to, as they put it, rectify mistakes towards Albanians that occurred after the Ottoman Turk "withdrawal" from this region. "
Fair Enough, maybe get with the Hungarians and support the revision of the Trianon treaty too.
Facts our on our side, how can they be wrong?
"And while the Serbian prosecution in Belgrade is announcing an investigation into the participation of the Preševo and Bujanovac ethnic Albanian officials, media are reporting that Self-Determination Movement leader Albin Kurti and Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa are the only politicians from the region who supported the list."
Are they going to make investigations for all the people who participated to meetings that had for goal a greater Serbia ?? I doubt so ...
In a free country, people should participate to whatever eveent they want ...in free country ...
"Oliver Ivanović stated on Monday that the dangerous concept of a "greater Albania" has never ceased to exist."
It is not Great Albania, but I would call it Liberated and Natural Albania. This will project that will inevitably be completed in the near future will mark the end of Slavic occupation towards indigenous and the oldest people of the Balkans - The Albanians, paving the way for peace, security and prosperity in the region and further.
As long as there are occupators in foreign land there will never be peace.
Slavs must also consider returning to their roots -pre-7th century (somewhere in Carpathian mountains)and this enlarge the population of Russia. Belgrade Paschalluk (similar to that in 18th century) may be acceptable to indigenous Albanians.
The splitting up of the Balkans has opened the Pandora Box, namely Albanian nationalism which threatens the small states that broke away from the state of Jugoslavia.
FYROM is the most shaky and many forgot that a civil war raged on and will probably ignite again. Montenegro is also threatened with a growing Albanian population.
These small states will get what they deserve, instead of staying with a strong federated Yugoslavia, they chose the route of weakening themsleves with thier own nationalistic policies of the so called "ethnicity" of Montenegrins while FYROM continues to steal Greek Hellenic history and claim it as thier own.
Some extremist Albanians fully claim Illyria as their ancient civilization when in reality an equal claim can me made for Albanians originating from the Ghengis Khan tribes that ravaged Europe or the Huns and Avars that invaded Europe as well.
"Oliver Ivanović stated on Monday that the dangerous concept of a "greater Albania" has never ceased to exist."
It is not Great Albania, but I would call it Liberated and Natural Albania. This will project that will inevitably be completed in the near future will mark the end of Slavic occupation towards indigenous and the oldest people of the Balkans - The Albanians, paving the way for peace, security and prosperity in the region and further.
As long as there are occupators in foreign land there will never be peace.
Slavs must also consider returning to their roots -pre-7th century (somewhere in Carpathian mountains)and this enlarge the population of Russia. Belgrade Paschalluk (similar to that in 18th century) may be acceptable to indigenous Albanians.
After reading this story, I didn't bother any comments, but went directly to post my own. I haven't laughed so hard, since Kiribati recognized the Albanian UDI. The idea of a "Greater Albania", is like creating a larger dump out of several smaller ones. Do these psycho nationalistic separatist Albanians have anything better to do, than keep attempting to steal land from sovereign nations? This is what happens when people live in poverty, are unemployed, ignorant, and have never moved out of the stone age. Take some advice, oh proud Albanians of the two-faced eagle, work on improving the conditions where you live, and stop trying to steal more land to impoverish. You really are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
"And while the Serbian prosecution in Belgrade is announcing an investigation into the participation of the Preševo and Bujanovac ethnic Albanian officials, media are reporting that Self-Determination Movement leader Albin Kurti and Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa are the only politicians from the region who supported the list."
Are they going to make investigations for all the people who participated to meetings that had for goal a greater Serbia ?? I doubt so ...
In a free country, people should participate to whatever eveent they want ...in free country ...
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
(Bekim, 2 November 2010 16:09)
Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
It is not Great Albania, but I would call it Liberated and Natural Albania. This will project that will inevitably be completed in the near future will mark the end of Slavic occupation towards indigenous and the oldest people of the Balkans - The Albanians, paving the way for peace, security and prosperity in the region and further.
(PRN, 2 November 2010 11:49)
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
You are a racist and intolerant fool. Either that of you are a WUMmer.
Today Albania is poverty stricken and crime infested. Now albanians want to steal more land and make it poor and undeveloped.
If you are so proud of your country and land why are so many albanians leaving for a better life in, for example, Germany, Sweden, Afghanistan and Somalia?
for 1 the albanians are majority in preshovo and not in Bujanovac and i guess they did not mention Medveđa because they are so little there but any way well in albania the greeks are 100% majority in all of south albania so think about that and you want part of greece. and in montenegro you are majority in 1 little town lol and you want half of that you better wake up because you albanians are none european peoples and what wil hapen is war and in albania 35% of albania is none albanians so yu better be carefull what you wish for because there is 200,000 slavic macedonians there also and then there is 90,000 serbs in the north and the greeks live in the entire south albania and here is the link from
Somebody is afraid of London Conference ! BTW Rom Macedonians in Albania are 0.004 % AND NOT 40 % AS YOU CLAIM.Macedonia has 40% Albanians.Yours and Srbs propaganda does not hold water in Europe anymore.London conference will tell you everything.Who is European and who come from Asia.
Serbs are an ethnic majority in 49% of Bosnia/Herzegovina terrritory numbering over 1.5million people and yet they are unable to withdraw from Bosnia and unite with their brothers on the other side of Drina river and Albanians are demanding an entire rearrangement of the entire Balkan region just so they can get 7-8 smaller towns in which they have a population majority...I dont now, or will ever see any logic in this...
In the meantime we'll be working towards the unificationn of all Albanians in one state.
Shqiperia e shqiptareve!!!
(Zoti, 2 November 2010 15:46)
Please work on "little" Albania first being an exception to the pathetic rest in the region: good wages, fair taxation, transparent government, no corruption. The smaller the country, the easier is obviously the task to get a drastic improvement in the quality of life. Otherwise all you get is a mess spread over larger territory.
They're going to investigate them because they attended a meeting that will ask the ICJ to consider the London Conference of 1913. This is "democracy" in Serbia. Screw you, I official support ETHNIC ALBANIA (Shqiperia Kombetare).
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 November 2010 14:50)
Well for once I agree with Niall. These nutjobs are out of it. Cancel the Treaty of London or Berlin Conference? WTF is that? What's next cancel the Roman occupation in the Balkans? Snap out of it and come back to reality.
As for Kurti and those form Presheva Valley, this is indeed done for political pressure. Not a smart way to exert political pressure, considering that this spells automatic loss of support and isolation from the rest of the world; seeing that they despise such radical ideas. How are they going to to exert pressure when not only no important player supports them but they fight the very same ideas they propose?
However the good thing in this that these people do not have popular support; and are rather isolated in Albania.
I hope the Albanian Goverment attempts at trying to create greater Albania becuse then this would give Serbia, Greece,FYROM, and Montenegro to crush them once and for all. How stupid can the Albanians be to keep making territorial demands to two of the most powerful countries in the Balkans, Serbia and Greece?
This is not good for the Albanians in the eyes of the international community, especially with negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina looming. The Kosovo dispute is nowhere near being finalized, and separatist Albanians are seeking to claim more land. What is going on in their heads?
We live in our lands since the Homo erectus times.
(ben, 2 November 2010 11:55)
Only since then? Unbelievable. You must have forgotten the Dinosaurus Albanicus which were living there long, long before!
They're going to investigate them because they attended a meeting that will ask the ICJ to consider the London Conference of 1913. This is "democracy" in Serbia.
(KOSO, 2 November 2010 13:56)
Of course, democratic countries must carefully watch and prevent all forms of extremism!
so albania has 35% none albanians because albania was never your land it was greek-serbian lands and part of albania is also in macedonia
(rom, 2 November 2010)
I clicked on that link and it took me a website called History of Macedonia. I can't beleieve the mods woule allow such links in here.
In any event you guys can crow all you want about Albania being 35% minorities. I'd like for you go and find them. In the meantime we'll be working towards the unificationn of all Albanians in one state.
Shqiperia e shqiptareve!!!
"Are they going to make investigations for all the people who participated to meetings that had for goal a greater Serbia ?? I doubt so ...
In a free country, people should participate to whatever eveent they want ...in free country ..."
(vev, 2 November 2010 11:52)
And even in a democracy, the state has the duty to observe all extremists who have goals that oppose the consitution. Observe and watch, not kill or imprison, to remind you.
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
Maybe today, If there would be a greater Albania ,
Albanians would represent 80-90% BUT IN 1913 NOT!!!
At that time Albanians represented around 30-35% of 2 Mil people in that Region, That is why Albanians Failed to create a Greater Albania in 1913!!!
And This Dream will NEVER BECOME REALITY!
In 50 years when the entire balkan peninsula is happily a minor province in a federal Europe, no one is going to give a flying f*** where the internal lines are
All these ideologies are a sham and have nothing to do with the reality stricken in the Balkans, or even in Europe. The purpose behind these “Greater” analogies such as; Greater Serbia, Greater Albania, Great Croatia, Great Greece, Greater Macedonia…. bla bla bla… etc etc… is to pull the individual away from the real concerns and become focused on something that they really have NO control over.
Now it appears that we all have our nationalist perspectives alongside with nationalist beliefs (at least from what I can tell from this site). The question one must ask themselves is what are “you” going to do about it. It’s really easy for us to sit back behind a computer at home and rant all day online; criticizing politicians, criticizing posters and their beliefs and exclaim with emotional outbursts of “What needs/will to happen”.
The point I am trying to make here is what in fact is being done? Is their a purpose behind this egotistical view of a Greater_____ (fill in the blank)?
While we are busy online arguing with each other, we seem to forget the logistics and reason of why we are here in the first place. Firstly; We are all unhappy with the current situation in the Balkans. I don’t care whether you’re a Serb, Albano, Greek, Croat or whatever. We all want change to happen for the better of our people. Correct? Now here’s the kicker….. There is not 1 solution that will make all of us happy, so what can be done. IF we consider ourselves as humanitarians and being peace-seekers, how does the political establishment of a nation make these things happen? From the looks of it, it seems this is all about “Balkan Domination”, with no other vision in mind.
It’s time for an awakening. What are we as individuals going to do to better society? Are we going to choose to remain stuck in the past and dream all day and night about “our” “Greater” nation, while we work our 9-5 mon-fri office jobs?.......
Well one thing is for sure. The great powers sure made a mess in the early 1900 and now we are suffering the consequences. One only has to see Serbian territories in the late 1800 early 1900 to see how they trippled while Alb teritories shrinked.
Albanians were very naive to not use their powers under the ottoman empire to solidify their territories, and they paid for it dearly later.
In any case, the idea of Greater Albania is not very appealing to albanians from Albania, whoever has the slightess knowledge of the matter knows that very well. In Albania itself, they see it as a rather economic advantage rather then a territorial one.
As for Albania being poor, well it's funny when this assessment comes from Serbia. I mean Serbs don't fair that much better even though they had a better start from Tito's Yugo.
But in any case, as you serbs proved very clearly in the 90s, I guess money and well being was not enough to eliminate ignorance and savegry. You still managed to kill and murder and cleanse and plunder in the name of Greater Serbia.....
"In 50 years when the entire balkan peninsula is happily a minor province in a federal Europe, no one is going to give a flying f*** where the internal lines are
(Danilo, 2 November 2010 16:56)"
And so serfdom suits you guys in the Balkans to a T? Then why stop at EU? Might as well go all teh way and become Nato's lackeys as well! And be suckered into dying for the Yankee cause in Iraq and Afghanistan!
"The conclusion of the meeting in Tirana is that the List for Natural Albania will submit a request to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to review the London Conference of 1913, as well as the Congress of Berlin, so as to, as they put it, rectify mistakes towards Albanians that occurred after the Ottoman Turk "withdrawal" from this region. "
Fair Enough, maybe get with the Hungarians and support the revision of the Trianon treaty too.
Facts our on our side, how can they be wrong?
Only since then? Unbelievable. You must have forgotten the Dinosaurus Albanicus which were living there long, long before!
(Top, 2 November 2010 14:32)
I think, it is a big burden to live with such worries day-to-day as "Shqiperia Kombetare". I can't imagine myself in such situation. In particular, many who have that burden live in E.U., USA, Canada. These are fine countries to live in, offering many possibilities to succeed in life... IMO: get out and get a life and much more pleasant worries.
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Fair Enough, maybe get with the Hungarians and support the revision of the Trianon treaty too.
Facts our on our side, how can they be wrong?
(Drowntherday, 2 November 2010 12:46)
I don't really care tough. If, say, Edi Rama (or whoever, be him Hugo Chavez or Arnold Schwarzenegger) can prove me, he can manage Hungary - he is welcome to take that mess.
But no, all I see Albanian government can offer is just an other mess. Thank-you-very-much, we have here mess big enough already. Keywords: mismanagement, corruption, robbery instead of fair taxation, Balkan mentality, Socialism.
As far as Trianon Treaty: yep, it was unfair. But at this moment it is 100% irrelevant because even if revised it would merely mean a mess of bigger size than it's today.
Example. Some Vojvodina-Hungarians would not mind if borders change... till they would learn, their income decreases about 10-15% percent (at least), their taxes increase and they have to pay 1000 Euro at minimum to re-register their old Lada or Zastava. Unlucky not-so-few with American or German SUV-s would land up paying about 10000 - 15000 Euro, just for the new license plate (no, it's not VAT or import duty - it's the price of a new pair Hungarian license plates). Wonder, why who can - has German, American, Slovak, Swiss plates? Hungary is really a pathetically managed country. Slovakia, Serbia or Croatia look like shining stars in comparison.
Now after that every sane person would just show a middle finger to such government-sponsored theft.
Somebody is afraid of London Conference ! BTW Rom Macedonians in Albania are 0.004 % AND NOT 40 % AS YOU CLAIM.Macedonia has 40% Albanians.Yours and Srbs propaganda does not hold water in Europe anymore.London conference will tell you everything.Who is European and who come from Asia.
(Beni, 2 November 2010 14:43)
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Oh yes, I can see it all now. NATO is going to fire on all of them until they decide to go "back" to Asia and leave all that area for Albanians to spread.
Cancel the Treaty of London or Berlin Conference? WTF is that? What's next cancel the Roman occupation in the Balkans? Snap out of it and come back to reality.
As for Kurti and those form Presheva Valley, this is indeed done for political pressure. Not a smart way to exert political pressure, considering that this spells automatic loss of support and isolation from the rest of the world; seeing that they despise such radical ideas. How are they going to to exert pressure when not only no important player supports them but they fight the very same ideas they propose?
(johny, 2 November 2010 17:08)
Yes, after I learned than low-fat milk being 70-80 Eurocent at Emona in Vushtrri and close to 1 Euro in Serbia and Hungary (compare: about 40 Eurocent in Slovakia and about two Dollars for a gallon in the States) I felt, there are some bigger problems than Berlin Conference.
In particular, that in a junior teacher position my wife earned about $3000 / month and in a more senior position in Hungary she earned about $400 / month. It looks, like the milk prices do not reflect the salaries.
If revising the Treaty of London, the Trianon or Berlin Conference would help on that, please, by any means.
But I am just afraid, revising anything and doing more country-building experiments will just send an other wave of immigrants to the West... you know, where milk is cheaper, people earn 10 times more, the government does not want to rob you (that much) and country-building experiments (at least at home!) are the thing of the past.
Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. Ihope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)
You are right, Flamur. See this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set
OK, a bit more explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth
In other words: since there won't be such thing as "Greater Albania", than the statement "In Greater Albania every Toyota minivan will be powered by New York cheesecake instead of gasoline" is a true statement.
RELAX RELAX RELAX AND ENJOY YOU FRAPE,cafa, turkish cafa which in fact is egyptian cafa the egyptian mercenars was drinking cafa during otoman empire, turkish was drinking tea like today with all their islamist friends, REMEMBER THE NEXT RULE : SERBIANS WILL STOP THE TURKS and GREEKS WILL STOP THE ALBANIANS.thats its good night
Albanians will get what belongs to them and there is nothing Serbia or anyone else can do. As for those Serbs living in Bosnia I don't think that Albos are going to interfere in someone elses business, if Serbs there want to separate they can deal with Bosniaks and Croats.
The Albanain case isn't about a Greater Albania project but it's about correcting the mistakes that were made in the past. You should check out Balkan maps dating back in 18th, 19th, and 20th century. I wonder how my grandfathers cousins ended up in Izmir(Turkey). The truth will prevail.
Greater Albania will never materialise? And this is coming from a nation that was supremely confident that Kosova was never going to be part of Albania. Check? Now, you can pretend that you know our position and that you'll try to convince yourselves that you have taken every measure possible to stop this from hapenning but eventually you will find that you cannot. Check in waiting! We will not rest until we have it all back.
P.S
Our Albanian minority is growing by day in South West Serbia, so you know what that means. Kosova was not the original Albanian boarder.
So... An Albanian in Presevo is unable to get a job, because someone else happens to be better than him/her at it. That's how they're being oppressed? That's cool, I suppose. Sounds disgustingly similar to Kosovo in the '80s: an Albanian loses a job to someone else because he happens to be better than him, and then he happens to look at that person's nationality, and oh my God! He's a Serb! I GUESS THAT MEANS THE STATE IS OPPRESSING ME! SOMEONE IS BETTER THAN ME AT MY JOB! INDEPENDENCE FOR KOSOVA! Bla bla bla.
Besides, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I've been to Bujanovac, and I'm not exactly sure why someone would WANT possession of that little armpit. It's like someone saying they want to go on a honeymoon in blooming Somalia because they happen to like Africa.
Actually the purpose of UCK was to unite Albanian lands, but the ideology of greater albania in uck was more of a sort of to boost the morale of the soldiers, serbian army was far more powerful, so in order to compesate psychologically , instead of saying that the fight was just for kosovo, the idea that the fight was for a much greater goal, greater than life, for a goal greater than all events in history, seemed quite convincing for the men who were holding the trenches...but, we all know that UCK agreed to submit its weapons to NATO and consqequently admit a solution from international community and we all know that the main condition was indipendence at a cost of unified albania, we all know that uck soldiers generally knew three languages at least, they could imagine that by submitting guns to NATO, greater Albania would never happen....if UCK gave up greater Albania, it is not even logical to say that Albanians are still strugling for the what our nationalists and patriots envisioned in 1878 and 1911 ... past is past...if Fyrom and Serbia treated Albanians like Montenegro is treating albanian minority now, the conflicts of 1999 and 2001 could be avoided. For instance , why would Albanians of Montenegro jeopardise the future of all country only to fullfil a patriotic vision of 1878 and 1911... the seek for so called greater albania did not come because of nationalist feelings, it came because the state sponsored state in former yugoslavia and in FYROM was becoming unbearable, and i m not talking about language, school and hospitals, i m talking about total socio-economical discrimination applied systematically by the state back then...so in order to escape, an idea of uniting with Albania seemed appealing.
I have a lot to say but i really cant be bothered explaining european history to every idiot that comes trough here...therefore i will just provide a couple of facts you should read before posting all over this forum...
Albanians claim they've been wronged in 1912...well...maybe if you fought the war with allies instead of axis you wouldnt have been wronged...
For those idiots who compare Albanian's doing to Milosevics doing...keep in mind these things
Fact#1: US Bombed Serbia AND KOSOVO prior to mass leaving of 795,000 Albanians...and used Depleted Bombs which are illegal, hit trains, buses,hospitals,schools
Fact#2: Serbian economy was booming at the time of Milosevic despite all wars during 1998s compared to the stage its at right now
Fact#3: Milosevic was never convicted of the crimes and to this date there is no evidence of the crimes he might/might not have committed...
Fact#4: He was murdered in Hag
and if you consider this bellow a fair trial i really have nothing more to say to you
Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. Ihope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)
Yea? And who gave you the authority to to decide who's a patriot and who's not.
The point is that attitudes that are not only shunned by the rest of the world but are actively punished through bombing campaigns, do not constitute patriotism but rather the highest point of treachery. If you don't have a clue as to what I am talking about take a look at what this brand of "patriotism" brought for Serbia and the Serbs. If your idea of "patriotism" is bringing bombs and isolation to the Albanian nation by the Western civilization you're not only a traitor to the cause of progress for our nation but you're the Serb ultra-nationalists' best buddy; bed buddy that is.
The EU is where we undo our borders and that will be the blessing of everyone. No need for idiotic ideas such as wars to claim places that even in your wildest dreams you can't do anything about. That is the fastest way to unravel our nation and the achievements we've gotten so far through blood and hard work.
My views on a "Greater Serbia" myth are well known. My views on a "Greater/ Natural Albania" will refelct those same views. Both are artificial illusions. Just as the world didnt allow the former , so they will not allow the latter. Any person who doesnt understand that , clearlly does not understand politics. No one will recognise a "greater anything" in the balkans , it would be far to distabilising and politics demands balance. Seems rather idiotic that those who opposed Serbias territorial grabs in the '90 , now use that same argument to jusify a "natural" or "Greater Albania."
No one in the Balkans has the political , economic or military power to do anything on their own. And given the last 20 years experince , thats a good thing!!!
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
(Bekim, 2 November 2010 16:09)
Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
(Ataman, 2 November 2010 16:48)
Well based on look and behaviour I could hardly imagine better Lakatos brothers than albanians themselves.Otherwise it was good to learn how much gypsies contributed to mathematics, olympic games ,sciences and arts.Having been threatened to share Cozma's fate 3 times during the last year it is something new for me.Seems it is never to late to learn something interesting.Was Pitagoras of slavonic or gypsy origin anyway?Maybe someone taught by Gyapai and Kavics knows the answer.Especially if we take into account than Fazekas secondary school was not so far from mSzigony street and Mátyás squre.
GDP per capita based on the IMF; as you can clearly see Slovania and the Czech republic are ahead of Hungary. Hungary continues to struggle and its debt to GDP is even higher compared to the two other countries.
It is no surpise that a teacher in Hungary makes only 400 dollars per month.
36 Czech Republic 24,271
37 Seychelles 23,744
38 Malta 23,667
39 Saudi Arabia 23,272
40 Portugal 22,671
41 Barbados 22,272
42 Slovakia 21,245
43 Trinidad and Tobago[4] 19,759
44 Equatorial Guinea[5] 18,573
45 Hungary 18,506
this would give Serbia, Greece,FYROM, and Montenegro to crush them once and for all. How stupid can the Albanians be to keep making territorial demands to two of the most powerful countries in the Balkans, Serbia and Greece?
(Anonymous, 3 November 2010 00:08)
really? come now anonymous serb... you really think Greece would not Eyeball Macedonia? interesting your choice in using FYROM. what of bosnia, croatia then? sit around and do nothing?
the history of the balkans is riddled with slavs immigrating into the area and killing each other... with albanians constantly caught up in there nonsense.
The biggest threat to non-albanians in the balkans has ALWAYS been other non-albanians.
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as for this article. the "the Serbian Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija" is a FICTIONAL position and whatever is says on any matter whatsover is irrelevant.
And even in a democracy, the state has the duty to observe all extremists who have goals that oppose the consitution. Observe and watch, not kill or imprison, to remind you.
(Top, 2 November 2010 14:54)
Yes Top in Demokracy that is tru, what I have to remind you is that we albanians know very well what serbian demokracy means. But it looks like you not talking about that.
Well, both sides will have to get used to it. There will be no "Greater" Albania and also no "Greater" Serbia.It would be better if both sides would go on on their way to Europe. Anything else are only dreams.
yes yes great albania hand in hand with great otoman(turkish) empire the answer is the next :http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=26&nav_id=62600
serbia wants to join europe and refuses that albanians meet other albanians!Funny,no!
You have lost this battle too because we will be united as albanians,like it or not, in Europe!But we will be even more united if you persit on your oppression of presheva valley
As an onlooker, I am starting to notice a trend with the Albanians in the Balkans. I doubt any of the West will allow these rebels to steal more land than they already are trying to take. If they actually tried to do this in P.Valley, I say...let the tanks roll in. Enough is enough, and I hope my country will give you more ground support. And if need be, roll into Kosovo as well. I don't think the innocent should be killed, but establish order again. Without casualties.
"Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
(Ataman, 2 November 2010 16:48) "
Hi, Ataman - I was willing to let you have the last word with your call to develop the small countries that already exist in the area. (How did you get as many minuses as pluses for that??)
Anyway, looks like there's been a lot of bad (= patriotic) history written in the Balkans. Leading to a lot of daydreaming - it's clearly easier to dream of how wonderful life would be with different borders than work to elect slightly less venal politicians than the ones currently in power, for example. Remember how your dreams of a perfect America turned out? It's just people, that's all we've got to work with. No heroes. I figure conditions would be about the same in Greater Whatever, but only after the inevitable violence that accompanies exchanges of populations. (This will be brief - I have to go vote now to try to keep a good governor attempting to govern in hard times in office.)
The ideas of a greater Albania and of a greater Serbia are equally dangerous.The only difference is that so far the idea of greater albania covers only albanian majority areas while the idea of a greater serbia covers all of Kosovo.
as for this article. the "the Serbian Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija" is a FICTIONAL position and whatever is says on any matter whatsover is irrelevant.
(AdamNYC)
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Not according to you apparently, it got you aroused didn't it?
And This Dream will NEVER BECOME REALITY!
well.i am an adept of the "believe in your dreams,they will become true" clan!I wrote this message on the wall in Berlin in 1989,because it was my father's dream to see the end of the communist area,it became true!Then we dreamed for the end of serbian oppression in kosova,and it became true!we now dream for cameria first and for presheva next,because these places are the places where albanians are suffering opression.We do fight for our liberty,even if the price is hight,because it is a valuable thing and we do miss this liberty in cameria,preshevo and makedonia.
"Great albania" -as you say-natural albania -as we say- is already a reality,like it or not! Don't even waste your time to change that fact ,you will fail!You have failed all these centuries during which you had your army,your intelligentsia,your economic power and your international supports to erase,kill and oppress our people,you will fail now that our conditions are incomparable to the previous ones!
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
You are a racist and intolerant fool. Either that of you are a WUMmer.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 November 2010 14:50)
As ideas they may be similar, as factual reality the two types of nutjobs are not similar. For example, the books of Marx were just paper, until some nutjobs led by crazy Lenin and crazier Stalin managed to obtain a whole state (and a pretty big one) to supposedly go after those ideas. And what a mess they made.
In a smaller scale, the big difference between the Albanian nutjobs and the Serbian ones is who commands a state and who does not. The head of those nutjobs that wreacked [sic] havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s was at the same time the head of Serbia. And that means that he commanded the army, the police, the secret services, the economy, in short the resources of a whole 8 million strong nation, which went in large part to the nutjobs in Bosnia. The few Albanians that the article talks about today cannot be even remotely compared to a state apparatus bent on pursuing a nutjob idea.
To make this clearer: when did Albania ever attack any state in the Balkans as Serbia did?
Serbian economy boosting during milosevic? What a joke ... maybe maphia economy boosted, bank robbery, drugs, guns, prostitutes... arkan had like dozens of arrest mandates form dozens of EU countries only for bank robbery in 80s... not to mantion pillages of bosnian villages, we all know that muslims like to have golden jewelery more than needed...eventually it was one more reason to dig them down for the arkan's cats... do you think serbian soldiers cared more about their greater serbia than stealing from bosnian and albanian homes? even up to today , bosnia has black markets where you can buy anything from 10 year old gypcies to armored vehicles...
And how did the Albanians treat an exhausted army of the allies as it sought to pass through for refuge?
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Here is what is real: from one side there are around 40 Serbian generals and high state officials being processed or having been processed for war crimes in the Hague, and from the other side an Albanian former club bouncer and some peasant.
How many were convicted in Stalin's courts and what does it mean today, time always tells(not that some perhaps are and some aren't guilty), politically motivated courts usually get alot of things wrong.
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But what is the point of your question? Are you are implying that Albania would have attacked somebody if it had strength? now, that brings us into the realm of the imaginary and there we can invent whatever we want.
Imagination? Answer as far as I know it is as a proxy,
Also, I wonder why you babble about registering 20+ year old wrecks
(Hruz, 2 November 2010 19:35)
Not of course, these old Zastava or Lada cars are probably more than 20 year old and good for selling as part.
Let's look instead for a 2011 spanking new Toyota Sienna with California emissions, the most strict emission standard in the world. Safe car, cheap (ca. 24K USD will take it home).
Note, that you probably will get "4" in the "környezetvédelmi osztály" (to make you pay) or if you are nice, than maybe "better, than 8".
Either case, fill it out and click on "Kiszámítás".
Here is what you get:
>8 = 3207000 Forints or 11,841.06 EUR
"6-8" = 4821000 Forints or 17,800.35 EUR
"4" = 6425000 Forints or 23,722.73 EUR
Most likely, you will be asked to pay 23,722.73 EUR for the new Hungarian license plate, only lucky few will "get away" with 17,800.35 EUR or 11,841.06 EUR
That is again not the duty or VAT, it's "registration tax", a complete joke and against the E.U. guidelines.
And speaking about these old wrecks... here I was wrong indeed.
The owner of an old Zastava from 1986 with worst possible ("
“media are reporting that Self-Determination Movement leader Albin Kurti and Preševo municipal President Ragmi Mustafa are the only politicians from the region who supported the list.”
That is very disappointing about Kurti. Everything else about the new Vetevendosje program looks good to me, including its calls for direct democracy, opposition to neo-liberalism and to privatisation of strategic assets, emphasis on public as well as private economy, and insistence that any international presence should only be on the basis of complete independence, as a partner, not a vassal.
All this, and his opposition to the ruling clique’s corruption, puts him on a collision course with the regime in Pristina; unfortunately, like so many before him, being oppositional has not been enough to sustain Kurti and so it instead has apparently propelled him into radical nationalism as part of the “oppositionism,” a most unfortunate development with a catastrophic outcome.
“Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. I hope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)”
Neither Albania nor Kosovo/a has room for chauvinistic nut-jobs, just as Serbia, and for that matter Croatia, did not have room for them in the 1990s but they forced their way in and made similar absurd declarations to yours. Only the end of your co-thinkers, Milosevic and Tudjman, saved them from the brink, though a little late in the case of Serbia.
You remind me “patriotic” whites in southern USA who used to dress in white hoods.
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Albaians ranked very high in the state aparatus of Ottoman empire governing vast majority of Ottoman regions. Many times they had a free hand from the Sultan, as Hight Porte could not rule them outright. If they only wanted to exterminate and cleanse Serbs they could have done so easily.
Further Serbia took advantage of Albania's weak position in the early 1900s and with the help of your mothership, Russia u did gain a lot of territories at the expense of Albanians.
You couldn't dare to do it after WWII, indeed Tito's policies toward Albanians were soft and moderate, (see Bujan conference resolution between JCP and ACP) even though Albania iteself was considered a major threat towards Yugo, just go ask someone who served in the yugo army those days.
Even though K-Albs were less organized and lacked any basic equipment, organization or structure to resist properly to Serbian oppresion, Serbia never had its way with K-Alb. Kosovo never rested in peace while under Serbia, just check history. We always fought back to the bitter end, against all odds.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a teachers salary is 400 USD a month. This is actually less than the minimum wage. Also, to be loyal to your name if you have ever been in the Balkans, please do not confuse Slovakia with Slovenia, buy a map please.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 00:35)
Picking on semantics are you' no leg to stand on?
I have been to Budapest many times, great city and people .However, the economy is in a shambles and very corrupt. My friend lives in the hills of Budapest, one of the few who drives a Porche Cayanne and most of his businesses are in a shambles. So before you think you know it all, think twice.
"The few Albanians that the article talks about today cannot be even remotely compared to a state apparatus bent on pursuing a nutjob idea.
To make this clearer: when did Albania ever attack any state in the Balkans as Serbia did?"
(KU, 3 November 2010 05:46)
You are right, you cannot compare it. Not yet! But it can become dangerous if people (like Kurti) are guided by these crude ideas of a "greater Albania". It's better to stop the ball running right on time before it's too late. We all know that Kurti has a lot of followers and supporters amongst the Kosovo Albanians. What will happen if he (god beware) will come into power one day, voted by the same idiotic nationalistic bunch of people (of other ethnicity) who brought Milosevic into power?
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Oh very easy answer. A country not even 100 years old, it did not have much capability to attack. The only time when it had some strength, during the communist period, that strength went into total isolation. But even that strength was not comparable with that of Yugoslavia. But what is the point of your question? Are you are implying that Albania would have attacked somebody if it had strength? now, that brings us into the realm of the imaginary and there we can invent whatever we want. I won't go there with you though, it is pointless conversation. Here is what is real: from one side there are around 40 Serbian generals and high state officials being processed or having been processed for war crimes in the Hague, and from the other side an Albanian former club bouncer and some peasant. Explain this high difference of professionalism among convicts. Serbia's strength is covered in shame. Albania's strength never existed.
Top, if for Serbia "Europe has no alternative" for Albania and Kosovo it is 100 times more so, so the chances of something as destructive as the 90's being started from the Albanian side are pretty pretty low. Plus as Dan said, with what strength? Albania is in NATO, even if it has some strength, it will do what the big dogs say, Kosovo has a very small army, its security (Serbia is its biggest threat) is provided by NATO.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a (Hruz, 3 November 2010 00:35)
Some may make that salary, but that was not my assertion. However, if you want, more than happy to as bring you statistics. I can assure you it's not even close to the standard in Western Europe and North America.
Well if you lack knowlage and your decoding abilities are close to zero than for you it is a nonsense but not for Ataman who is in possesion of both and I have no doubt he completly understood what I wrote to him.Otherwise reading some of your comments I am sure you would also agree with my comment provided you could decode it.
(lakatos öcsi, 2 November 2010 22:38)
I completely understood your comment. I do not agree with it in that form tough, my view about both groups is somewhat more positive than yours. Also my problems and conflicts are of different nature. But yes, there are some funny and not-so-funny things about both.
See, everyone has own problems. Some may get into ballistic mood by debating about Great Serbia versus Great Albania. I got today into ballistic mood regarding the car registration fees.
Hruz really needs to wake up, yes, this is the reality: you move back to Hungary after long life in the States, you take your humble family minivan which pollutes less, than anything comparable ever sold in Europe (because it's a vehicle complying with California emission standard) - than some Hungarian black hole tells you that for that great privilege to get Hungarian license plate you have to pay an amount which could be 11, could be well over 20 thousand Euro and that tax serves "environment protection".
And it does not matter - if someone is from Vojvodina and moves to Hungary, he will face the same problem. I did see VERY nice cars in Hungarian villages of Vojvodina... for these people if Trianon would be magically reversed - that would mean a financial disaster.
Of course, we could demand that people who move into the country would be exempted. In particular because that tax is very much damages the ethnic Hungarians who live abroad. But the grand thieves do not care. Our beloved ex-PM Ferenc Lopcsány, I mean, sorry, Ferenc Gyurcsány did say once in an interview: "who does not like it, feel free to move to Slovakia". It's like Tadic would say "who lives here and does not like, feel free to move to Albania". A PM just can't say such things, what an amateurish approach.
And since Gyurcsány is gone: nothing changed really, except that Viktor Orbán took good care how to cement himself for as long period as possible + make political revenge.
The two of you are competing for the "who knows less of Hungary" contest and in leading position.
First of all. Bringing extreme examples of a 6 cylinder 3.5 liter vehicle import and wonder about the punitive tax on gas guzzlers in Hungary, let me enlighten you that USA is going to resort to the same as they begin to realize that not signing the Kyoto Agreement will not pump more clean air over the States.
Ataman, I see you perfect yourself in milk production as well. Please check out a shop before saying a liter of milk is 1 euro in Hungary. Maybe you can buy in an expensive gas station for 1 euro, but I just bought 1 carton of Alpsko for 50 Euro cents apiece but even without a special discount is not more than 70-80 cents.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a teachers salary is 400 USD a month. This is actually less than the minimum wage. Also, to be loyal to your name if you have ever been in the Balkans, please do not confuse Slovakia with Slovenia, buy a map please.
No need for idiotic ideas such as wars to claim places that even in your wildest dreams you can't do anything about. That is the fastest way to unravel our nation and the achievements we've gotten so far through blood and hard work.
(johny, 2 November 2010 23:20)
A typically soft Tosk response. Fortunately, we exist who have made war and will do so again.
FOR VELIBOR : Milosevic was never convicted of the crimes and to this date there is no evidence of the crimes he might/might not have committed...
Fact#4: He was murdered in Hag>>>>>> am a sick mind ?????? till today i ddnt realise MILOSEVIC WAS IN HAGUE IN PRISON OR IN PROTECTION?and the answer was given from the babic whic died few weeks earlier mini proba before the main spectacol?WHO KNOWS
Your country already gave "support" to half of Europe for 45 years and looted their economy, made them puppets to a dictatorship.
No one needs such "temporary stationing on te ground" as it was labeled for decades when the Soviet army was watching if the puppet governments are doing well. Rather focus on your internal crises and lack of democracy.
Is Shkodra Tosk enough for you? Nobody and I mean nobody needs a war.
(johny, 3 November 2010 17:27)
This is our national tragedy, that the city that nobly resisted the Slav aggressors 90 years ago now embraces them. Greater Albania must be built and it must be ruled from Prishtina, where Albanians remain neither decadent nor feminised.
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Albaians ranked very high in the state aparatus of Ottoman empire governing vast majority of Ottoman regions. Many times they had a free hand from the Sultan, as Hight Porte could not rule them outright. If they only wanted to exterminate and cleanse Serbs they could have done so easily.
Further Serbia took advantage of Albania's weak position in the early 1900s and with the help of your mothership, Russia u did gain a lot of territories at the expense of Albanians.
You couldn't dare to do it after WWII, indeed Tito's policies toward Albanians were soft and moderate, (see Bujan conference resolution between JCP and ACP) even though Albania iteself was considered a major threat towards Yugo, just go ask someone who served in the yugo army those days.
Even though K-Albs were less organized and lacked any basic equipment, organization or structure to resist properly to Serbian oppresion, Serbia never had its way with K-Alb. Kosovo never rested in peace while under Serbia, just check history. We always fought back to the bitter end, against all odds.
(Denis, 3 November 2010 14:18)
Wait a second - straight from (Albanian) horse's mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG5ecO60lY
Much truth in that movie, but look, what Albanian poster (and the Canadian professor he cites) tells about Albanians at 7:07 and at 7:13. The entire movie is (mildly speaking) not about Albanians not attacking anyone, LOL - just the opposite. The author is visibly proud of the violent past. Further, read 7:07 and 7:13 again and again - it confirms what is clear to anyone who knows historical and religious buildings spread over Kosovo: before 17th Century Kosovo wasn't part of the Albanian equation.
In some sense, Romano-Albanians created two monsters: one is "Daco-Roman", the other is "Illyrian". Some scientists claim, Romanians and Albanians are relatied... perhaps.
All I can say, "iriqi"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcfyNEXo_NQ
is like "arici".
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arici
But the similarities of "Daco-Roman" and "Illyrian" fairy-tales go well beyond the similarity of Romanian and Albanian hedgehogs.
1) Both my parents are (were) crazy having been teachers, I know the drill
2) I sent you the statistics ONLY base net salary for teachers. Facts are facts, even if you are csontkonzervativ like me.
I did not inherit anything except a mortgage from my teacher parents, thanks to the low esteem and salary of the profession, but we should not jump into extremes as far as 400 USD.
I do not know where you live but surely not in Hungary, otherwise you would not compare with Slovakia especially, where oppression of minorities is a state policy. Also, I wonder why you babble about registering 20+ year old wrecks but if you knew a bit about the topic of registering vehicles, you would know that there is a depreciation factor to the registration tax, as much as 98% depending on the age of the car. It is not pleasant to py the tax but at least Hungary can avoid to be the junkyard of Europe like the shining star Slovakia (check out statistics)or even Czech, not to mention Bulgaria. Just drive along E75 once and you will see the endless convoys of junk cars hauled to Bulgaria on trailers.
I know you just wanted to be funny as always, but do it with grace, without losing credibility, your posts are mostly very good though.
As they say, "half the knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance".
1) Low fat milk in my interpretation is white coloured fatty water, not realy milk, I would not spend a dime on it. I buy for my family the 2.8% one, which is continuously in danger of being canceled due to EU standards for strange reasons, as not complying with the 0.5, 0.9, 1.5, 3.5 etc categories, althoug tradidionally Hungarians prefer 2.8 over 1.5 or 3.5 fat (same goes for Slovakia as I understand)
The supermarket you mention is by far not the cheapest, it is not fair to compare prices of i.e ETC/Albi you name which other big hypermarkets with more expensive ones. Look around in the buggest hypermarkets for prices.
Having family ties in Felvidék, I remember the time I went over there with an empty tank and came back fully refueled and with lots of groceries.
Times change, and now Hungarian stores are crowded with Slovaks so bad (good) that the hypermarkets in the neighbouring cities in Hungary had to be extended twice their size.
Slovakia is now paying the price of too quickly introducing Euro, the purchasing power of their salary decreased rapidly, unless they spend it abroad (Hungary) which in turn suffocating smaller businesses and triggers uneployment near the borders. Just take a walk in the deserted shops of the recently renovated promenade of Sturovo.
Regarding the salaries of teachers, the lowest is of kindergarden teachers' who take an everage of 149.500 HUF gross or 106.908 net (554 USD) monthly, without all other allowances, benefits, like family bonus, overtime, special classes etc. Primary school teachers get 162.200 HUF gross or 112.700 net (590 USD).
As you see, 400 USD is in fact almost 600 USD, which would also not buy you a yacht but I prefer to stick to the facts.
Looks like our "flaming patriot", Flamur, does not seem to grasp that warfare and development are mutually exclusive...and that the world has moved on in the past 90 years.
.1) Low fat milk in my interpretation is white coloured fatty water, not realy milk, I would not spend a dime on it.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09
That's what most Hungarians do say. You won't be able to talk my kids into anything over 1%. We did buy even 0.0% in the States, but so far the lowest in Europe is 0.5%, except in Srpska (Bosnia) where so far I did not see anything under 0.8%,
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The supermarket you mention is by far not the cheapest, it is not fair to compare prices of i.e ETC/Albi you name which other big hypermarkets with more expensive ones. Look around in the buggest hypermarkets for prices.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09)
There is nothing under 1.5% available in Hungary - at least in the area. Except the store I did mention. They used to have 0.5% in Auchan and Metro - not anymore. Lidl in Sturovo has 0.5% in their own packaging, sometimes from Hungary, sometimes from Slovakia, sometimes from CZ. Kids like it and the price at 0.4 Euro is OK.
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As you see, 400 USD is in fact almost 600 USD, which would also not buy you a yacht but I prefer to stick to the facts.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09)
Yes, with all "üdülési utalvány" and "félárú MÁV jegy" and food-stamp it's indeed more than $400. I do completely disregard such "perks" or "benefits". I am "csontkonzervatív" on that - just give me cold, hard cash instead of some silliness I don't need. Example: the half-fare MÁV ticket is worth nothing (for me) if it is not valid on international travel. I understand the circumstances why it is provided, I do not like the circumstances.
And - btw - teacher salary here also depends on the number of hours they take or allowed to take. You can't buy a yacht from $3000/month in California either - but at least it shows more respect towards that very tough profession. In Hungary traditionally the teachers are treated like dirt and that has to change, only crazy people chose that profession.
I am happy you know more than I thought of Hungary. But again, let me correct you. The economy may be in shambles compared to Japanese, Swiss etc, but here is some statistics by country in Middle Europe in GDP deficit 2010 and anticipated in 2011: Czech- 6.8/4.9%; Slovakia 6.8/4.9%. Romania 6.8-7/5%; Hungary: 3.8/2.94%.
I know there are other factors, but things look brighter than in the other countries introducing a series of austerity measures and begging for IMF loans.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 16:27)
By "middle Europe" you mean Central Europe which is the customary terminology.
Your economic data is some sort of percentage, GDP deficit as a percentage of what? Public Deficit? External Deficit? "GDP Deficit" means nothing to me.
Yes, there are many other indicators that are important in a country economy.
The point is that the Hungarian public debt levels are the highest in Central Europe and Southeastern Europe for that matter are closing in on the levels of Greece. Romania has one of the lowest debt levels along with Bulgaria, but that may also be the lack of investment that is flowing through those countries as well.
External debt is not so bad when it is used to finance the growth of the economy and not lining the pockets of currupt government officials.
Hungary ranks near the top of public debt per GDP capita in the world (15th according to the IMF.
notice how serbia and serbs demand...under threat of violence... from other countries a certain level of rights, representation and powers.
while not offering the same thing to its minorities.
notice that pattern?
(AdamNYC, 4 November 2010 20:19)
Next time I go to Serbia, I'll make sure I travel to Medvedja, Bujanovac and Presevo and report to the great people on this website and to the world in general the mass repression which Tadic and Cvetkovic are carrying out against the Albanian population there. Hell, I'll travel over to Novi Pazar and report the devastating mass graves which are popping up all over the place, just filling up with Bosniaks. And hey, why don't I go up to Novi Sad and see how the Hungarians are being used as slaves to some Serbian family, where he can show me all the cuts and bruises he's received as a part of Serbian repression.
To save me the trouble, you can try doing the same thing. If you forgot about what you're looking for, then try and find on a map some atrocities committed in the municipality of, "You have no idea what you're talking about."
pocakos lakatos-
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You have posted utter-nonsense. but thank you for bringing some light into my day :)
(trudsaam, 2 November 2010 20:32)
Well if you lack knowlage and your decoding abilities are close to zero than for you it is a nonsense but not for Ataman who is in possesion of both and I have no doubt he completly understood what I wrote to him.Otherwise reading some of your comments I am sure you would also agree with my comment provided you could decode it.
1) you probably missed the word "low-fat" in the milk thing. One liter of 0.5% fat milk is 280 Forint. If you can get that milk at all. The CBA at Széphalom has it. Many stores don't. This is what we used to drink in the States. So I have to drive once in a while to Sturovo and buy Slovak or Czech for 0.38 - 0.44 Cent, depending on the luck. If you are fine with the milk having more fat - it's up to you.
2) Unfortunately there is still some misconception about the "American" cars being "gas guzzlers". Of course, there are some. Most are not. I am not talking about the big losers like Chrysler - GM - Ford USA. They are behind the expectations and of dismal quality. I am speaking about Honda - Toyota - Mazda - Mitsu - Hyundai - Kia - VW made for American market and of course Merc-Bimmer-Audi (also for the U.S. market).
They consume at average 9 - 12 liter / 100 km which is very good for such heavy bodies. It's much less the engine size counts than the weight of the car. You can put a little Euro-wonder engine in a US-specification Honda or Toyota minivan, it won't consume much less, than mine with it's 3.7 liters. I can do about 10-12 liters / 100 km (or ca. 20 miles on a gallon). That is a standard thing for the car that big. Best is on Kosovo gasoline, sold in North Kosovo. On that fuel I can do about 8 liters. For the entire Pristina-Budapest (or better: Zvecan - Budapest) I tank only in PR or KM area, that's it.
But there are of course "gas guzzlers" on the market - but they are not in the car category I can afford. The car market in the States is completely different than in Europe. Believe me, once you try what is good - you never want to go back.
Regarding the registration tax: it was made by total amateurs who have no clout about US-models and the market overseas. Having no clout is not an excuse. But hey, that entire "regadó" thing was done to rip people off anyway.
The information is out there for you, prices and technical data inclusive on Edmund's web site, www.edmunds.com
3) Combining 1) with 2): yes, I do drive two-three times a year to Sturovo in Slovakia and load that 3.7 liter "gas guzzler" American monster with Japanese brand (LOL!) with about 100-120 liters of 0.5% milk. Saves probably 60 Dollars or more.
4) A teacher with teaching math in English language (a specialty!) would earn in a (name withhold) state-owned Gimnazium in a very well-off district of Budapest about 80000 Forint / month. That's it. I have no idea, what is the business doing that, probably nothing. But wife likes doing it.
I am happy you know more than I thought of Hungary. But again, let me correct you. The economy may be in shambles compared to Japanese, Swiss etc, but here is some statistics by country in Middle Europe in GDP deficit 2010 and anticipated in 2011: Czech- 6.8/4.9%; Slovakia 6.8/4.9%. Romania 6.8-7/5%; Hungary: 3.8/2.94%.
I know there are other factors, but things look brighter than in the other countries introducing a series of austerity measures and begging for IMF loans.
No Adam, I don't notice it. Better look at your precious USA that actually uses force all the time to get 'respect' (read: oil and mineral resources). I think an American has no right to criticise other countries. Take a look at your own recent history, laden with thousands and thousands of dead people.
"Oliver Ivanović stated on Monday that the dangerous concept of a "greater Albania" has never ceased to exist."
It is not Great Albania, but I would call it Liberated and Natural Albania. This will project that will inevitably be completed in the near future will mark the end of Slavic occupation towards indigenous and the oldest people of the Balkans - The Albanians, paving the way for peace, security and prosperity in the region and further.
As long as there are occupators in foreign land there will never be peace.
Slavs must also consider returning to their roots -pre-7th century (somewhere in Carpathian mountains)and this enlarge the population of Russia. Belgrade Paschalluk (similar to that in 18th century) may be acceptable to indigenous Albanians.
Greater Albania will never materialise? And this is coming from a nation that was supremely confident that Kosova was never going to be part of Albania. Check? Now, you can pretend that you know our position and that you'll try to convince yourselves that you have taken every measure possible to stop this from hapenning but eventually you will find that you cannot. Check in waiting! We will not rest until we have it all back.
P.S
Our Albanian minority is growing by day in South West Serbia, so you know what that means. Kosova was not the original Albanian boarder.
for 1 the albanians are majority in preshovo and not in Bujanovac and i guess they did not mention Medveđa because they are so little there but any way well in albania the greeks are 100% majority in all of south albania so think about that and you want part of greece. and in montenegro you are majority in 1 little town lol and you want half of that you better wake up because you albanians are none european peoples and what wil hapen is war and in albania 35% of albania is none albanians so yu better be carefull what you wish for because there is 200,000 slavic macedonians there also and then there is 90,000 serbs in the north and the greeks live in the entire south albania and here is the link from
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
They're going to investigate them because they attended a meeting that will ask the ICJ to consider the London Conference of 1913. This is "democracy" in Serbia. Screw you, I official support ETHNIC ALBANIA (Shqiperia Kombetare).
Somebody is afraid of London Conference ! BTW Rom Macedonians in Albania are 0.004 % AND NOT 40 % AS YOU CLAIM.Macedonia has 40% Albanians.Yours and Srbs propaganda does not hold water in Europe anymore.London conference will tell you everything.Who is European and who come from Asia.
Albanians will get what belongs to them and there is nothing Serbia or anyone else can do. As for those Serbs living in Bosnia I don't think that Albos are going to interfere in someone elses business, if Serbs there want to separate they can deal with Bosniaks and Croats.
The Albanain case isn't about a Greater Albania project but it's about correcting the mistakes that were made in the past. You should check out Balkan maps dating back in 18th, 19th, and 20th century. I wonder how my grandfathers cousins ended up in Izmir(Turkey). The truth will prevail.
so albania has 35% none albanians because albania was never your land it was greek-serbian lands and part of albania is also in macedonia
(rom, 2 November 2010)
I clicked on that link and it took me a website called History of Macedonia. I can't beleieve the mods woule allow such links in here.
In any event you guys can crow all you want about Albania being 35% minorities. I'd like for you go and find them. In the meantime we'll be working towards the unificationn of all Albanians in one state.
Shqiperia e shqiptareve!!!
And This Dream will NEVER BECOME REALITY!
well.i am an adept of the "believe in your dreams,they will become true" clan!I wrote this message on the wall in Berlin in 1989,because it was my father's dream to see the end of the communist area,it became true!Then we dreamed for the end of serbian oppression in kosova,and it became true!we now dream for cameria first and for presheva next,because these places are the places where albanians are suffering opression.We do fight for our liberty,even if the price is hight,because it is a valuable thing and we do miss this liberty in cameria,preshevo and makedonia.
"Great albania" -as you say-natural albania -as we say- is already a reality,like it or not! Don't even waste your time to change that fact ,you will fail!You have failed all these centuries during which you had your army,your intelligentsia,your economic power and your international supports to erase,kill and oppress our people,you will fail now that our conditions are incomparable to the previous ones!
It is not Great Albania, but I would call it Liberated and Natural Albania. This will project that will inevitably be completed in the near future will mark the end of Slavic occupation towards indigenous and the oldest people of the Balkans - The Albanians, paving the way for peace, security and prosperity in the region and further.
(PRN, 2 November 2010 11:49)
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
You are a racist and intolerant fool. Either that of you are a WUMmer.
Today Albania is poverty stricken and crime infested. Now albanians want to steal more land and make it poor and undeveloped.
If you are so proud of your country and land why are so many albanians leaving for a better life in, for example, Germany, Sweden, Afghanistan and Somalia?
The splitting up of the Balkans has opened the Pandora Box, namely Albanian nationalism which threatens the small states that broke away from the state of Jugoslavia.
FYROM is the most shaky and many forgot that a civil war raged on and will probably ignite again. Montenegro is also threatened with a growing Albanian population.
These small states will get what they deserve, instead of staying with a strong federated Yugoslavia, they chose the route of weakening themsleves with thier own nationalistic policies of the so called "ethnicity" of Montenegrins while FYROM continues to steal Greek Hellenic history and claim it as thier own.
Some extremist Albanians fully claim Illyria as their ancient civilization when in reality an equal claim can me made for Albanians originating from the Ghengis Khan tribes that ravaged Europe or the Huns and Avars that invaded Europe as well.
After reading this story, I didn't bother any comments, but went directly to post my own. I haven't laughed so hard, since Kiribati recognized the Albanian UDI. The idea of a "Greater Albania", is like creating a larger dump out of several smaller ones. Do these psycho nationalistic separatist Albanians have anything better to do, than keep attempting to steal land from sovereign nations? This is what happens when people live in poverty, are unemployed, ignorant, and have never moved out of the stone age. Take some advice, oh proud Albanians of the two-faced eagle, work on improving the conditions where you live, and stop trying to steal more land to impoverish. You really are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
And even in a democracy, the state has the duty to observe all extremists who have goals that oppose the consitution. Observe and watch, not kill or imprison, to remind you.
(Top, 2 November 2010 14:54)
Yes Top in Demokracy that is tru, what I have to remind you is that we albanians know very well what serbian demokracy means. But it looks like you not talking about that.
serbia wants to join europe and refuses that albanians meet other albanians!Funny,no!
You have lost this battle too because we will be united as albanians,like it or not, in Europe!But we will be even more united if you persit on your oppression of presheva valley
Serbs are an ethnic majority in 49% of Bosnia/Herzegovina terrritory numbering over 1.5million people and yet they are unable to withdraw from Bosnia and unite with their brothers on the other side of Drina river and Albanians are demanding an entire rearrangement of the entire Balkan region just so they can get 7-8 smaller towns in which they have a population majority...I dont now, or will ever see any logic in this...
The ideas of a greater Albania and of a greater Serbia are equally dangerous.The only difference is that so far the idea of greater albania covers only albanian majority areas while the idea of a greater serbia covers all of Kosovo.
"And while the Serbian prosecution in Belgrade is announcing an investigation into the participation of the Preševo and Bujanovac ethnic Albanian officials, media are reporting that Self-Determination Movement leader Albin Kurti and Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa are the only politicians from the region who supported the list."
Are they going to make investigations for all the people who participated to meetings that had for goal a greater Serbia ?? I doubt so ...
In a free country, people should participate to whatever eveent they want ...in free country ...
We live in our lands since the Homo erectus times.
(ben, 2 November 2010 11:55)
Only since then? Unbelievable. You must have forgotten the Dinosaurus Albanicus which were living there long, long before!
They're going to investigate them because they attended a meeting that will ask the ICJ to consider the London Conference of 1913. This is "democracy" in Serbia.
(KOSO, 2 November 2010 13:56)
Of course, democratic countries must carefully watch and prevent all forms of extremism!
Actually the purpose of UCK was to unite Albanian lands, but the ideology of greater albania in uck was more of a sort of to boost the morale of the soldiers, serbian army was far more powerful, so in order to compesate psychologically , instead of saying that the fight was just for kosovo, the idea that the fight was for a much greater goal, greater than life, for a goal greater than all events in history, seemed quite convincing for the men who were holding the trenches...but, we all know that UCK agreed to submit its weapons to NATO and consqequently admit a solution from international community and we all know that the main condition was indipendence at a cost of unified albania, we all know that uck soldiers generally knew three languages at least, they could imagine that by submitting guns to NATO, greater Albania would never happen....if UCK gave up greater Albania, it is not even logical to say that Albanians are still strugling for the what our nationalists and patriots envisioned in 1878 and 1911 ... past is past...if Fyrom and Serbia treated Albanians like Montenegro is treating albanian minority now, the conflicts of 1999 and 2001 could be avoided. For instance , why would Albanians of Montenegro jeopardise the future of all country only to fullfil a patriotic vision of 1878 and 1911... the seek for so called greater albania did not come because of nationalist feelings, it came because the state sponsored state in former yugoslavia and in FYROM was becoming unbearable, and i m not talking about language, school and hospitals, i m talking about total socio-economical discrimination applied systematically by the state back then...so in order to escape, an idea of uniting with Albania seemed appealing.
Maybe today, If there would be a greater Albania ,
Albanians would represent 80-90% BUT IN 1913 NOT!!!
At that time Albanians represented around 30-35% of 2 Mil people in that Region, That is why Albanians Failed to create a Greater Albania in 1913!!!
And This Dream will NEVER BECOME REALITY!
Well one thing is for sure. The great powers sure made a mess in the early 1900 and now we are suffering the consequences. One only has to see Serbian territories in the late 1800 early 1900 to see how they trippled while Alb teritories shrinked.
Albanians were very naive to not use their powers under the ottoman empire to solidify their territories, and they paid for it dearly later.
In any case, the idea of Greater Albania is not very appealing to albanians from Albania, whoever has the slightess knowledge of the matter knows that very well. In Albania itself, they see it as a rather economic advantage rather then a territorial one.
As for Albania being poor, well it's funny when this assessment comes from Serbia. I mean Serbs don't fair that much better even though they had a better start from Tito's Yugo.
But in any case, as you serbs proved very clearly in the 90s, I guess money and well being was not enough to eliminate ignorance and savegry. You still managed to kill and murder and cleanse and plunder in the name of Greater Serbia.....
I hope the Albanian Goverment attempts at trying to create greater Albania becuse then this would give Serbia, Greece,FYROM, and Montenegro to crush them once and for all. How stupid can the Albanians be to keep making territorial demands to two of the most powerful countries in the Balkans, Serbia and Greece?
this would give Serbia, Greece,FYROM, and Montenegro to crush them once and for all. How stupid can the Albanians be to keep making territorial demands to two of the most powerful countries in the Balkans, Serbia and Greece?
(Anonymous, 3 November 2010 00:08)
really? come now anonymous serb... you really think Greece would not Eyeball Macedonia? interesting your choice in using FYROM. what of bosnia, croatia then? sit around and do nothing?
the history of the balkans is riddled with slavs immigrating into the area and killing each other... with albanians constantly caught up in there nonsense.
The biggest threat to non-albanians in the balkans has ALWAYS been other non-albanians.
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as for this article. the "the Serbian Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija" is a FICTIONAL position and whatever is says on any matter whatsover is irrelevant.
"The conclusion of the meeting in Tirana is that the List for Natural Albania will submit a request to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to review the London Conference of 1913, as well as the Congress of Berlin, so as to, as they put it, rectify mistakes towards Albanians that occurred after the Ottoman Turk "withdrawal" from this region. "
Fair Enough, maybe get with the Hungarians and support the revision of the Trianon treaty too.
Facts our on our side, how can they be wrong?
"In 50 years when the entire balkan peninsula is happily a minor province in a federal Europe, no one is going to give a flying f*** where the internal lines are
(Danilo, 2 November 2010 16:56)"
And so serfdom suits you guys in the Balkans to a T? Then why stop at EU? Might as well go all teh way and become Nato's lackeys as well! And be suckered into dying for the Yankee cause in Iraq and Afghanistan!
In the meantime we'll be working towards the unificationn of all Albanians in one state.
Shqiperia e shqiptareve!!!
(Zoti, 2 November 2010 15:46)
Please work on "little" Albania first being an exception to the pathetic rest in the region: good wages, fair taxation, transparent government, no corruption. The smaller the country, the easier is obviously the task to get a drastic improvement in the quality of life. Otherwise all you get is a mess spread over larger territory.
RELAX RELAX RELAX AND ENJOY YOU FRAPE,cafa, turkish cafa which in fact is egyptian cafa the egyptian mercenars was drinking cafa during otoman empire, turkish was drinking tea like today with all their islamist friends, REMEMBER THE NEXT RULE : SERBIANS WILL STOP THE TURKS and GREEKS WILL STOP THE ALBANIANS.thats its good night
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
You are a racist and intolerant fool. Either that of you are a WUMmer.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 November 2010 14:50)
As ideas they may be similar, as factual reality the two types of nutjobs are not similar. For example, the books of Marx were just paper, until some nutjobs led by crazy Lenin and crazier Stalin managed to obtain a whole state (and a pretty big one) to supposedly go after those ideas. And what a mess they made.
In a smaller scale, the big difference between the Albanian nutjobs and the Serbian ones is who commands a state and who does not. The head of those nutjobs that wreacked [sic] havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s was at the same time the head of Serbia. And that means that he commanded the army, the police, the secret services, the economy, in short the resources of a whole 8 million strong nation, which went in large part to the nutjobs in Bosnia. The few Albanians that the article talks about today cannot be even remotely compared to a state apparatus bent on pursuing a nutjob idea.
To make this clearer: when did Albania ever attack any state in the Balkans as Serbia did?
Only since then? Unbelievable. You must have forgotten the Dinosaurus Albanicus which were living there long, long before!
(Top, 2 November 2010 14:32)
I think, it is a big burden to live with such worries day-to-day as "Shqiperia Kombetare". I can't imagine myself in such situation. In particular, many who have that burden live in E.U., USA, Canada. These are fine countries to live in, offering many possibilities to succeed in life... IMO: get out and get a life and much more pleasant worries.
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Fair Enough, maybe get with the Hungarians and support the revision of the Trianon treaty too.
Facts our on our side, how can they be wrong?
(Drowntherday, 2 November 2010 12:46)
I don't really care tough. If, say, Edi Rama (or whoever, be him Hugo Chavez or Arnold Schwarzenegger) can prove me, he can manage Hungary - he is welcome to take that mess.
But no, all I see Albanian government can offer is just an other mess. Thank-you-very-much, we have here mess big enough already. Keywords: mismanagement, corruption, robbery instead of fair taxation, Balkan mentality, Socialism.
As far as Trianon Treaty: yep, it was unfair. But at this moment it is 100% irrelevant because even if revised it would merely mean a mess of bigger size than it's today.
Example. Some Vojvodina-Hungarians would not mind if borders change... till they would learn, their income decreases about 10-15% percent (at least), their taxes increase and they have to pay 1000 Euro at minimum to re-register their old Lada or Zastava. Unlucky not-so-few with American or German SUV-s would land up paying about 10000 - 15000 Euro, just for the new license plate (no, it's not VAT or import duty - it's the price of a new pair Hungarian license plates). Wonder, why who can - has German, American, Slovak, Swiss plates? Hungary is really a pathetically managed country. Slovakia, Serbia or Croatia look like shining stars in comparison.
Now after that every sane person would just show a middle finger to such government-sponsored theft.
In 50 years when the entire balkan peninsula is happily a minor province in a federal Europe, no one is going to give a flying f*** where the internal lines are
I do not know where you live but surely not in Hungary, otherwise you would not compare with Slovakia especially, where oppression of minorities is a state policy. Also, I wonder why you babble about registering 20+ year old wrecks but if you knew a bit about the topic of registering vehicles, you would know that there is a depreciation factor to the registration tax, as much as 98% depending on the age of the car. It is not pleasant to py the tax but at least Hungary can avoid to be the junkyard of Europe like the shining star Slovakia (check out statistics)or even Czech, not to mention Bulgaria. Just drive along E75 once and you will see the endless convoys of junk cars hauled to Bulgaria on trailers.
I know you just wanted to be funny as always, but do it with grace, without losing credibility, your posts are mostly very good though.
"Are they going to make investigations for all the people who participated to meetings that had for goal a greater Serbia ?? I doubt so ...
In a free country, people should participate to whatever eveent they want ...in free country ..."
(vev, 2 November 2010 11:52)
And even in a democracy, the state has the duty to observe all extremists who have goals that oppose the consitution. Observe and watch, not kill or imprison, to remind you.
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
(Bekim, 2 November 2010 16:09)
Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
Slavs and gypsies that call themselves "Greeks" have occupied 80 percent of Albania. It is time to get it back and just as we got back Kosova other parts will follow. It is only natural.
(Bekim, 2 November 2010 16:09)
Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
(Ataman, 2 November 2010 16:48)
Well based on look and behaviour I could hardly imagine better Lakatos brothers than albanians themselves.Otherwise it was good to learn how much gypsies contributed to mathematics, olympic games ,sciences and arts.Having been threatened to share Cozma's fate 3 times during the last year it is something new for me.Seems it is never to late to learn something interesting.Was Pitagoras of slavonic or gypsy origin anyway?Maybe someone taught by Gyapai and Kavics knows the answer.Especially if we take into account than Fazekas secondary school was not so far from mSzigony street and Mátyás squre.
As an onlooker, I am starting to notice a trend with the Albanians in the Balkans. I doubt any of the West will allow these rebels to steal more land than they already are trying to take. If they actually tried to do this in P.Valley, I say...let the tanks roll in. Enough is enough, and I hope my country will give you more ground support. And if need be, roll into Kosovo as well. I don't think the innocent should be killed, but establish order again. Without casualties.
pocakos lakatos-
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You have posted utter-nonsense. but thank you for bringing some light into my day :)
(trudsaam, 2 November 2010 20:32)
Well if you lack knowlage and your decoding abilities are close to zero than for you it is a nonsense but not for Ataman who is in possesion of both and I have no doubt he completly understood what I wrote to him.Otherwise reading some of your comments I am sure you would also agree with my comment provided you could decode it.
No need for idiotic ideas such as wars to claim places that even in your wildest dreams you can't do anything about. That is the fastest way to unravel our nation and the achievements we've gotten so far through blood and hard work.
(johny, 2 November 2010 23:20)
A typically soft Tosk response. Fortunately, we exist who have made war and will do so again.
Serbian economy boosting during milosevic? What a joke ... maybe maphia economy boosted, bank robbery, drugs, guns, prostitutes... arkan had like dozens of arrest mandates form dozens of EU countries only for bank robbery in 80s... not to mantion pillages of bosnian villages, we all know that muslims like to have golden jewelery more than needed...eventually it was one more reason to dig them down for the arkan's cats... do you think serbian soldiers cared more about their greater serbia than stealing from bosnian and albanian homes? even up to today , bosnia has black markets where you can buy anything from 10 year old gypcies to armored vehicles...
This is not good for the Albanians in the eyes of the international community, especially with negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina looming. The Kosovo dispute is nowhere near being finalized, and separatist Albanians are seeking to claim more land. What is going on in their heads?
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Albaians ranked very high in the state aparatus of Ottoman empire governing vast majority of Ottoman regions. Many times they had a free hand from the Sultan, as Hight Porte could not rule them outright. If they only wanted to exterminate and cleanse Serbs they could have done so easily.
Further Serbia took advantage of Albania's weak position in the early 1900s and with the help of your mothership, Russia u did gain a lot of territories at the expense of Albanians.
You couldn't dare to do it after WWII, indeed Tito's policies toward Albanians were soft and moderate, (see Bujan conference resolution between JCP and ACP) even though Albania iteself was considered a major threat towards Yugo, just go ask someone who served in the yugo army those days.
Even though K-Albs were less organized and lacked any basic equipment, organization or structure to resist properly to Serbian oppresion, Serbia never had its way with K-Alb. Kosovo never rested in peace while under Serbia, just check history. We always fought back to the bitter end, against all odds.
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Oh very easy answer. A country not even 100 years old, it did not have much capability to attack. The only time when it had some strength, during the communist period, that strength went into total isolation. But even that strength was not comparable with that of Yugoslavia. But what is the point of your question? Are you are implying that Albania would have attacked somebody if it had strength? now, that brings us into the realm of the imaginary and there we can invent whatever we want. I won't go there with you though, it is pointless conversation. Here is what is real: from one side there are around 40 Serbian generals and high state officials being processed or having been processed for war crimes in the Hague, and from the other side an Albanian former club bouncer and some peasant. Explain this high difference of professionalism among convicts. Serbia's strength is covered in shame. Albania's strength never existed.
Top, if for Serbia "Europe has no alternative" for Albania and Kosovo it is 100 times more so, so the chances of something as destructive as the 90's being started from the Albanian side are pretty pretty low. Plus as Dan said, with what strength? Albania is in NATO, even if it has some strength, it will do what the big dogs say, Kosovo has a very small army, its security (Serbia is its biggest threat) is provided by NATO.
I have a lot to say but i really cant be bothered explaining european history to every idiot that comes trough here...therefore i will just provide a couple of facts you should read before posting all over this forum...
Albanians claim they've been wronged in 1912...well...maybe if you fought the war with allies instead of axis you wouldnt have been wronged...
For those idiots who compare Albanian's doing to Milosevics doing...keep in mind these things
Fact#1: US Bombed Serbia AND KOSOVO prior to mass leaving of 795,000 Albanians...and used Depleted Bombs which are illegal, hit trains, buses,hospitals,schools
Fact#2: Serbian economy was booming at the time of Milosevic despite all wars during 1998s compared to the stage its at right now
Fact#3: Milosevic was never convicted of the crimes and to this date there is no evidence of the crimes he might/might not have committed...
Fact#4: He was murdered in Hag
and if you consider this bellow a fair trial i really have nothing more to say to you
Well, both sides will have to get used to it. There will be no "Greater" Albania and also no "Greater" Serbia.It would be better if both sides would go on on their way to Europe. Anything else are only dreams.
Somebody is afraid of London Conference ! BTW Rom Macedonians in Albania are 0.004 % AND NOT 40 % AS YOU CLAIM.Macedonia has 40% Albanians.Yours and Srbs propaganda does not hold water in Europe anymore.London conference will tell you everything.Who is European and who come from Asia.
(Beni, 2 November 2010 14:43)
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Oh yes, I can see it all now. NATO is going to fire on all of them until they decide to go "back" to Asia and leave all that area for Albanians to spread.
yes yes great albania hand in hand with great otoman(turkish) empire the answer is the next :http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=26&nav_id=62600
The two of you are competing for the "who knows less of Hungary" contest and in leading position.
First of all. Bringing extreme examples of a 6 cylinder 3.5 liter vehicle import and wonder about the punitive tax on gas guzzlers in Hungary, let me enlighten you that USA is going to resort to the same as they begin to realize that not signing the Kyoto Agreement will not pump more clean air over the States.
Ataman, I see you perfect yourself in milk production as well. Please check out a shop before saying a liter of milk is 1 euro in Hungary. Maybe you can buy in an expensive gas station for 1 euro, but I just bought 1 carton of Alpsko for 50 Euro cents apiece but even without a special discount is not more than 70-80 cents.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a teachers salary is 400 USD a month. This is actually less than the minimum wage. Also, to be loyal to your name if you have ever been in the Balkans, please do not confuse Slovakia with Slovenia, buy a map please.
Substitute Albania for Serbia and you are a mirror image of the Greater Serb nutjobs that wreacked havoc in Bosnia in the 1990s.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 November 2010 14:50)
Well for once I agree with Niall. These nutjobs are out of it. Cancel the Treaty of London or Berlin Conference? WTF is that? What's next cancel the Roman occupation in the Balkans? Snap out of it and come back to reality.
As for Kurti and those form Presheva Valley, this is indeed done for political pressure. Not a smart way to exert political pressure, considering that this spells automatic loss of support and isolation from the rest of the world; seeing that they despise such radical ideas. How are they going to to exert pressure when not only no important player supports them but they fight the very same ideas they propose?
However the good thing in this that these people do not have popular support; and are rather isolated in Albania.
All these ideologies are a sham and have nothing to do with the reality stricken in the Balkans, or even in Europe. The purpose behind these “Greater” analogies such as; Greater Serbia, Greater Albania, Great Croatia, Great Greece, Greater Macedonia…. bla bla bla… etc etc… is to pull the individual away from the real concerns and become focused on something that they really have NO control over.
Now it appears that we all have our nationalist perspectives alongside with nationalist beliefs (at least from what I can tell from this site). The question one must ask themselves is what are “you” going to do about it. It’s really easy for us to sit back behind a computer at home and rant all day online; criticizing politicians, criticizing posters and their beliefs and exclaim with emotional outbursts of “What needs/will to happen”.
The point I am trying to make here is what in fact is being done? Is their a purpose behind this egotistical view of a Greater_____ (fill in the blank)?
While we are busy online arguing with each other, we seem to forget the logistics and reason of why we are here in the first place. Firstly; We are all unhappy with the current situation in the Balkans. I don’t care whether you’re a Serb, Albano, Greek, Croat or whatever. We all want change to happen for the better of our people. Correct? Now here’s the kicker….. There is not 1 solution that will make all of us happy, so what can be done. IF we consider ourselves as humanitarians and being peace-seekers, how does the political establishment of a nation make these things happen? From the looks of it, it seems this is all about “Balkan Domination”, with no other vision in mind.
It’s time for an awakening. What are we as individuals going to do to better society? Are we going to choose to remain stuck in the past and dream all day and night about “our” “Greater” nation, while we work our 9-5 mon-fri office jobs?.......
.1) Low fat milk in my interpretation is white coloured fatty water, not realy milk, I would not spend a dime on it.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09
That's what most Hungarians do say. You won't be able to talk my kids into anything over 1%. We did buy even 0.0% in the States, but so far the lowest in Europe is 0.5%, except in Srpska (Bosnia) where so far I did not see anything under 0.8%,
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The supermarket you mention is by far not the cheapest, it is not fair to compare prices of i.e ETC/Albi you name which other big hypermarkets with more expensive ones. Look around in the buggest hypermarkets for prices.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09)
There is nothing under 1.5% available in Hungary - at least in the area. Except the store I did mention. They used to have 0.5% in Auchan and Metro - not anymore. Lidl in Sturovo has 0.5% in their own packaging, sometimes from Hungary, sometimes from Slovakia, sometimes from CZ. Kids like it and the price at 0.4 Euro is OK.
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As you see, 400 USD is in fact almost 600 USD, which would also not buy you a yacht but I prefer to stick to the facts.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 13:09)
Yes, with all "üdülési utalvány" and "félárú MÁV jegy" and food-stamp it's indeed more than $400. I do completely disregard such "perks" or "benefits". I am "csontkonzervatív" on that - just give me cold, hard cash instead of some silliness I don't need. Example: the half-fare MÁV ticket is worth nothing (for me) if it is not valid on international travel. I understand the circumstances why it is provided, I do not like the circumstances.
And - btw - teacher salary here also depends on the number of hours they take or allowed to take. You can't buy a yacht from $3000/month in California either - but at least it shows more respect towards that very tough profession. In Hungary traditionally the teachers are treated like dirt and that has to change, only crazy people chose that profession.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a teachers salary is 400 USD a month. This is actually less than the minimum wage. Also, to be loyal to your name if you have ever been in the Balkans, please do not confuse Slovakia with Slovenia, buy a map please.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 00:35)
Picking on semantics are you' no leg to stand on?
I have been to Budapest many times, great city and people .However, the economy is in a shambles and very corrupt. My friend lives in the hills of Budapest, one of the few who drives a Porche Cayanne and most of his businesses are in a shambles. So before you think you know it all, think twice.
Is Shkodra Tosk enough for you? Nobody and I mean nobody needs a war.
(johny, 3 November 2010 17:27)
This is our national tragedy, that the city that nobly resisted the Slav aggressors 90 years ago now embraces them. Greater Albania must be built and it must be ruled from Prishtina, where Albanians remain neither decadent nor feminised.
Also, I wonder why you babble about registering 20+ year old wrecks
(Hruz, 2 November 2010 19:35)
Not of course, these old Zastava or Lada cars are probably more than 20 year old and good for selling as part.
Let's look instead for a 2011 spanking new Toyota Sienna with California emissions, the most strict emission standard in the world. Safe car, cheap (ca. 24K USD will take it home).
Note, that you probably will get "4" in the "környezetvédelmi osztály" (to make you pay) or if you are nice, than maybe "better, than 8".
Either case, fill it out and click on "Kiszámítás".
Here is what you get:
>8 = 3207000 Forints or 11,841.06 EUR
"6-8" = 4821000 Forints or 17,800.35 EUR
"4" = 6425000 Forints or 23,722.73 EUR
Most likely, you will be asked to pay 23,722.73 EUR for the new Hungarian license plate, only lucky few will "get away" with 17,800.35 EUR or 11,841.06 EUR
That is again not the duty or VAT, it's "registration tax", a complete joke and against the E.U. guidelines.
And speaking about these old wrecks... here I was wrong indeed.
The owner of an old Zastava from 1986 with worst possible ("
Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. Ihope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)
You are right, Flamur. See this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set
OK, a bit more explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth
In other words: since there won't be such thing as "Greater Albania", than the statement "In Greater Albania every Toyota minivan will be powered by New York cheesecake instead of gasoline" is a true statement.
Your country already gave "support" to half of Europe for 45 years and looted their economy, made them puppets to a dictatorship.
No one needs such "temporary stationing on te ground" as it was labeled for decades when the Soviet army was watching if the puppet governments are doing well. Rather focus on your internal crises and lack of democracy.
"Oh, my. All I can say - I am very curious, what Amer would say about all the infinite wisdom I learned today reading these posts. You guys REALLY live day-to-day with such worries and thinking? If yes, my condolences.
(Ataman, 2 November 2010 16:48) "
Hi, Ataman - I was willing to let you have the last word with your call to develop the small countries that already exist in the area. (How did you get as many minuses as pluses for that??)
Anyway, looks like there's been a lot of bad (= patriotic) history written in the Balkans. Leading to a lot of daydreaming - it's clearly easier to dream of how wonderful life would be with different borders than work to elect slightly less venal politicians than the ones currently in power, for example. Remember how your dreams of a perfect America turned out? It's just people, that's all we've got to work with. No heroes. I figure conditions would be about the same in Greater Whatever, but only after the inevitable violence that accompanies exchanges of populations. (This will be brief - I have to go vote now to try to keep a good governor attempting to govern in hard times in office.)
Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. Ihope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)
Yea? And who gave you the authority to to decide who's a patriot and who's not.
The point is that attitudes that are not only shunned by the rest of the world but are actively punished through bombing campaigns, do not constitute patriotism but rather the highest point of treachery. If you don't have a clue as to what I am talking about take a look at what this brand of "patriotism" brought for Serbia and the Serbs. If your idea of "patriotism" is bringing bombs and isolation to the Albanian nation by the Western civilization you're not only a traitor to the cause of progress for our nation but you're the Serb ultra-nationalists' best buddy; bed buddy that is.
The EU is where we undo our borders and that will be the blessing of everyone. No need for idiotic ideas such as wars to claim places that even in your wildest dreams you can't do anything about. That is the fastest way to unravel our nation and the achievements we've gotten so far through blood and hard work.
Well if you lack knowlage and your decoding abilities are close to zero than for you it is a nonsense but not for Ataman who is in possesion of both and I have no doubt he completly understood what I wrote to him.Otherwise reading some of your comments I am sure you would also agree with my comment provided you could decode it.
(lakatos öcsi, 2 November 2010 22:38)
I completely understood your comment. I do not agree with it in that form tough, my view about both groups is somewhat more positive than yours. Also my problems and conflicts are of different nature. But yes, there are some funny and not-so-funny things about both.
See, everyone has own problems. Some may get into ballistic mood by debating about Great Serbia versus Great Albania. I got today into ballistic mood regarding the car registration fees.
Hruz really needs to wake up, yes, this is the reality: you move back to Hungary after long life in the States, you take your humble family minivan which pollutes less, than anything comparable ever sold in Europe (because it's a vehicle complying with California emission standard) - than some Hungarian black hole tells you that for that great privilege to get Hungarian license plate you have to pay an amount which could be 11, could be well over 20 thousand Euro and that tax serves "environment protection".
And it does not matter - if someone is from Vojvodina and moves to Hungary, he will face the same problem. I did see VERY nice cars in Hungarian villages of Vojvodina... for these people if Trianon would be magically reversed - that would mean a financial disaster.
Of course, we could demand that people who move into the country would be exempted. In particular because that tax is very much damages the ethnic Hungarians who live abroad. But the grand thieves do not care. Our beloved ex-PM Ferenc Lopcsány, I mean, sorry, Ferenc Gyurcsány did say once in an interview: "who does not like it, feel free to move to Slovakia". It's like Tadic would say "who lives here and does not like, feel free to move to Albania". A PM just can't say such things, what an amateurish approach.
And since Gyurcsány is gone: nothing changed really, except that Viktor Orbán took good care how to cement himself for as long period as possible + make political revenge.
“media are reporting that Self-Determination Movement leader Albin Kurti and Preševo municipal President Ragmi Mustafa are the only politicians from the region who supported the list.”
That is very disappointing about Kurti. Everything else about the new Vetevendosje program looks good to me, including its calls for direct democracy, opposition to neo-liberalism and to privatisation of strategic assets, emphasis on public as well as private economy, and insistence that any international presence should only be on the basis of complete independence, as a partner, not a vassal.
All this, and his opposition to the ruling clique’s corruption, puts him on a collision course with the regime in Pristina; unfortunately, like so many before him, being oppositional has not been enough to sustain Kurti and so it instead has apparently propelled him into radical nationalism as part of the “oppositionism,” a most unfortunate development with a catastrophic outcome.
“Greater Albania will only have room for patriots. Johny, you have no future there. I hope you understand me.
(Flamur, 2 November 2010 18:36)”
Neither Albania nor Kosovo/a has room for chauvinistic nut-jobs, just as Serbia, and for that matter Croatia, did not have room for them in the 1990s but they forced their way in and made similar absurd declarations to yours. Only the end of your co-thinkers, Milosevic and Tudjman, saved them from the brink, though a little late in the case of Serbia.
You remind me “patriotic” whites in southern USA who used to dress in white hoods.
So... An Albanian in Presevo is unable to get a job, because someone else happens to be better than him/her at it. That's how they're being oppressed? That's cool, I suppose. Sounds disgustingly similar to Kosovo in the '80s: an Albanian loses a job to someone else because he happens to be better than him, and then he happens to look at that person's nationality, and oh my God! He's a Serb! I GUESS THAT MEANS THE STATE IS OPPRESSING ME! SOMEONE IS BETTER THAN ME AT MY JOB! INDEPENDENCE FOR KOSOVA! Bla bla bla.
Besides, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I've been to Bujanovac, and I'm not exactly sure why someone would WANT possession of that little armpit. It's like someone saying they want to go on a honeymoon in blooming Somalia because they happen to like Africa.
"The few Albanians that the article talks about today cannot be even remotely compared to a state apparatus bent on pursuing a nutjob idea.
To make this clearer: when did Albania ever attack any state in the Balkans as Serbia did?"
(KU, 3 November 2010 05:46)
You are right, you cannot compare it. Not yet! But it can become dangerous if people (like Kurti) are guided by these crude ideas of a "greater Albania". It's better to stop the ball running right on time before it's too late. We all know that Kurti has a lot of followers and supporters amongst the Kosovo Albanians. What will happen if he (god beware) will come into power one day, voted by the same idiotic nationalistic bunch of people (of other ethnicity) who brought Milosevic into power?
I am happy you know more than I thought of Hungary. But again, let me correct you. The economy may be in shambles compared to Japanese, Swiss etc, but here is some statistics by country in Middle Europe in GDP deficit 2010 and anticipated in 2011: Czech- 6.8/4.9%; Slovakia 6.8/4.9%. Romania 6.8-7/5%; Hungary: 3.8/2.94%.
I know there are other factors, but things look brighter than in the other countries introducing a series of austerity measures and begging for IMF loans.
I am happy you know more than I thought of Hungary. But again, let me correct you. The economy may be in shambles compared to Japanese, Swiss etc, but here is some statistics by country in Middle Europe in GDP deficit 2010 and anticipated in 2011: Czech- 6.8/4.9%; Slovakia 6.8/4.9%. Romania 6.8-7/5%; Hungary: 3.8/2.94%.
I know there are other factors, but things look brighter than in the other countries introducing a series of austerity measures and begging for IMF loans.
(Hruz, 3 November 2010 16:27)
By "middle Europe" you mean Central Europe which is the customary terminology.
Your economic data is some sort of percentage, GDP deficit as a percentage of what? Public Deficit? External Deficit? "GDP Deficit" means nothing to me.
Yes, there are many other indicators that are important in a country economy.
The point is that the Hungarian public debt levels are the highest in Central Europe and Southeastern Europe for that matter are closing in on the levels of Greece. Romania has one of the lowest debt levels along with Bulgaria, but that may also be the lack of investment that is flowing through those countries as well.
External debt is not so bad when it is used to finance the growth of the economy and not lining the pockets of currupt government officials.
Hungary ranks near the top of public debt per GDP capita in the world (15th according to the IMF.
That begs an initial question, when did Albania have the capability to attack another nation?.
(Dan, 3 November 2010 10:51)
Albaians ranked very high in the state aparatus of Ottoman empire governing vast majority of Ottoman regions. Many times they had a free hand from the Sultan, as Hight Porte could not rule them outright. If they only wanted to exterminate and cleanse Serbs they could have done so easily.
Further Serbia took advantage of Albania's weak position in the early 1900s and with the help of your mothership, Russia u did gain a lot of territories at the expense of Albanians.
You couldn't dare to do it after WWII, indeed Tito's policies toward Albanians were soft and moderate, (see Bujan conference resolution between JCP and ACP) even though Albania iteself was considered a major threat towards Yugo, just go ask someone who served in the yugo army those days.
Even though K-Albs were less organized and lacked any basic equipment, organization or structure to resist properly to Serbian oppresion, Serbia never had its way with K-Alb. Kosovo never rested in peace while under Serbia, just check history. We always fought back to the bitter end, against all odds.
(Denis, 3 November 2010 14:18)
Wait a second - straight from (Albanian) horse's mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG5ecO60lY
Much truth in that movie, but look, what Albanian poster (and the Canadian professor he cites) tells about Albanians at 7:07 and at 7:13. The entire movie is (mildly speaking) not about Albanians not attacking anyone, LOL - just the opposite. The author is visibly proud of the violent past. Further, read 7:07 and 7:13 again and again - it confirms what is clear to anyone who knows historical and religious buildings spread over Kosovo: before 17th Century Kosovo wasn't part of the Albanian equation.
In some sense, Romano-Albanians created two monsters: one is "Daco-Roman", the other is "Illyrian". Some scientists claim, Romanians and Albanians are relatied... perhaps.
All I can say, "iriqi"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcfyNEXo_NQ
is like "arici".
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arici
But the similarities of "Daco-Roman" and "Illyrian" fairy-tales go well beyond the similarity of Romanian and Albanian hedgehogs.
Secondly, dear Jugoslavia. First of all, I highly recommend a visit to Hungary before you claim that a (Hruz, 3 November 2010 00:35)
Some may make that salary, but that was not my assertion. However, if you want, more than happy to as bring you statistics. I can assure you it's not even close to the standard in Western Europe and North America.
1) you probably missed the word "low-fat" in the milk thing. One liter of 0.5% fat milk is 280 Forint. If you can get that milk at all. The CBA at Széphalom has it. Many stores don't. This is what we used to drink in the States. So I have to drive once in a while to Sturovo and buy Slovak or Czech for 0.38 - 0.44 Cent, depending on the luck. If you are fine with the milk having more fat - it's up to you.
2) Unfortunately there is still some misconception about the "American" cars being "gas guzzlers". Of course, there are some. Most are not. I am not talking about the big losers like Chrysler - GM - Ford USA. They are behind the expectations and of dismal quality. I am speaking about Honda - Toyota - Mazda - Mitsu - Hyundai - Kia - VW made for American market and of course Merc-Bimmer-Audi (also for the U.S. market).
They consume at average 9 - 12 liter / 100 km which is very good for such heavy bodies. It's much less the engine size counts than the weight of the car. You can put a little Euro-wonder engine in a US-specification Honda or Toyota minivan, it won't consume much less, than mine with it's 3.7 liters. I can do about 10-12 liters / 100 km (or ca. 20 miles on a gallon). That is a standard thing for the car that big. Best is on Kosovo gasoline, sold in North Kosovo. On that fuel I can do about 8 liters. For the entire Pristina-Budapest (or better: Zvecan - Budapest) I tank only in PR or KM area, that's it.
But there are of course "gas guzzlers" on the market - but they are not in the car category I can afford. The car market in the States is completely different than in Europe. Believe me, once you try what is good - you never want to go back.
Regarding the registration tax: it was made by total amateurs who have no clout about US-models and the market overseas. Having no clout is not an excuse. But hey, that entire "regadó" thing was done to rip people off anyway.
The information is out there for you, prices and technical data inclusive on Edmund's web site, www.edmunds.com
3) Combining 1) with 2): yes, I do drive two-three times a year to Sturovo in Slovakia and load that 3.7 liter "gas guzzler" American monster with Japanese brand (LOL!) with about 100-120 liters of 0.5% milk. Saves probably 60 Dollars or more.
4) A teacher with teaching math in English language (a specialty!) would earn in a (name withhold) state-owned Gimnazium in a very well-off district of Budapest about 80000 Forint / month. That's it. I have no idea, what is the business doing that, probably nothing. But wife likes doing it.
As they say, "half the knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance".
1) Low fat milk in my interpretation is white coloured fatty water, not realy milk, I would not spend a dime on it. I buy for my family the 2.8% one, which is continuously in danger of being canceled due to EU standards for strange reasons, as not complying with the 0.5, 0.9, 1.5, 3.5 etc categories, althoug tradidionally Hungarians prefer 2.8 over 1.5 or 3.5 fat (same goes for Slovakia as I understand)
The supermarket you mention is by far not the cheapest, it is not fair to compare prices of i.e ETC/Albi you name which other big hypermarkets with more expensive ones. Look around in the buggest hypermarkets for prices.
Having family ties in Felvidék, I remember the time I went over there with an empty tank and came back fully refueled and with lots of groceries.
Times change, and now Hungarian stores are crowded with Slovaks so bad (good) that the hypermarkets in the neighbouring cities in Hungary had to be extended twice their size.
Slovakia is now paying the price of too quickly introducing Euro, the purchasing power of their salary decreased rapidly, unless they spend it abroad (Hungary) which in turn suffocating smaller businesses and triggers uneployment near the borders. Just take a walk in the deserted shops of the recently renovated promenade of Sturovo.
Regarding the salaries of teachers, the lowest is of kindergarden teachers' who take an everage of 149.500 HUF gross or 106.908 net (554 USD) monthly, without all other allowances, benefits, like family bonus, overtime, special classes etc. Primary school teachers get 162.200 HUF gross or 112.700 net (590 USD).
As you see, 400 USD is in fact almost 600 USD, which would also not buy you a yacht but I prefer to stick to the facts.
1) Both my parents are (were) crazy having been teachers, I know the drill
2) I sent you the statistics ONLY base net salary for teachers. Facts are facts, even if you are csontkonzervativ like me.
I did not inherit anything except a mortgage from my teacher parents, thanks to the low esteem and salary of the profession, but we should not jump into extremes as far as 400 USD.
GDP per capita based on the IMF; as you can clearly see Slovania and the Czech republic are ahead of Hungary. Hungary continues to struggle and its debt to GDP is even higher compared to the two other countries.
It is no surpise that a teacher in Hungary makes only 400 dollars per month.
36 Czech Republic 24,271
37 Seychelles 23,744
38 Malta 23,667
39 Saudi Arabia 23,272
40 Portugal 22,671
41 Barbados 22,272
42 Slovakia 21,245
43 Trinidad and Tobago[4] 19,759
44 Equatorial Guinea[5] 18,573
45 Hungary 18,506
FOR VELIBOR : Milosevic was never convicted of the crimes and to this date there is no evidence of the crimes he might/might not have committed...
Fact#4: He was murdered in Hag>>>>>> am a sick mind ?????? till today i ddnt realise MILOSEVIC WAS IN HAGUE IN PRISON OR IN PROTECTION?and the answer was given from the babic whic died few weeks earlier mini proba before the main spectacol?WHO KNOWS
Looks like our "flaming patriot", Flamur, does not seem to grasp that warfare and development are mutually exclusive...and that the world has moved on in the past 90 years.
notice how serbia and serbs demand...under threat of violence... from other countries a certain level of rights, representation and powers.
while not offering the same thing to its minorities.
notice that pattern?
(AdamNYC, 4 November 2010 20:19)
Next time I go to Serbia, I'll make sure I travel to Medvedja, Bujanovac and Presevo and report to the great people on this website and to the world in general the mass repression which Tadic and Cvetkovic are carrying out against the Albanian population there. Hell, I'll travel over to Novi Pazar and report the devastating mass graves which are popping up all over the place, just filling up with Bosniaks. And hey, why don't I go up to Novi Sad and see how the Hungarians are being used as slaves to some Serbian family, where he can show me all the cuts and bruises he's received as a part of Serbian repression.
To save me the trouble, you can try doing the same thing. If you forgot about what you're looking for, then try and find on a map some atrocities committed in the municipality of, "You have no idea what you're talking about."
And how did the Albanians treat an exhausted army of the allies as it sought to pass through for refuge?
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Here is what is real: from one side there are around 40 Serbian generals and high state officials being processed or having been processed for war crimes in the Hague, and from the other side an Albanian former club bouncer and some peasant.
How many were convicted in Stalin's courts and what does it mean today, time always tells(not that some perhaps are and some aren't guilty), politically motivated courts usually get alot of things wrong.
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But what is the point of your question? Are you are implying that Albania would have attacked somebody if it had strength? now, that brings us into the realm of the imaginary and there we can invent whatever we want.
Imagination? Answer as far as I know it is as a proxy,
Cancel the Treaty of London or Berlin Conference? WTF is that? What's next cancel the Roman occupation in the Balkans? Snap out of it and come back to reality.
As for Kurti and those form Presheva Valley, this is indeed done for political pressure. Not a smart way to exert political pressure, considering that this spells automatic loss of support and isolation from the rest of the world; seeing that they despise such radical ideas. How are they going to to exert pressure when not only no important player supports them but they fight the very same ideas they propose?
(johny, 2 November 2010 17:08)
Yes, after I learned than low-fat milk being 70-80 Eurocent at Emona in Vushtrri and close to 1 Euro in Serbia and Hungary (compare: about 40 Eurocent in Slovakia and about two Dollars for a gallon in the States) I felt, there are some bigger problems than Berlin Conference.
In particular, that in a junior teacher position my wife earned about $3000 / month and in a more senior position in Hungary she earned about $400 / month. It looks, like the milk prices do not reflect the salaries.
If revising the Treaty of London, the Trianon or Berlin Conference would help on that, please, by any means.
But I am just afraid, revising anything and doing more country-building experiments will just send an other wave of immigrants to the West... you know, where milk is cheaper, people earn 10 times more, the government does not want to rob you (that much) and country-building experiments (at least at home!) are the thing of the past.
My views on a "Greater Serbia" myth are well known. My views on a "Greater/ Natural Albania" will refelct those same views. Both are artificial illusions. Just as the world didnt allow the former , so they will not allow the latter. Any person who doesnt understand that , clearlly does not understand politics. No one will recognise a "greater anything" in the balkans , it would be far to distabilising and politics demands balance. Seems rather idiotic that those who opposed Serbias territorial grabs in the '90 , now use that same argument to jusify a "natural" or "Greater Albania."
No one in the Balkans has the political , economic or military power to do anything on their own. And given the last 20 years experince , thats a good thing!!!
as for this article. the "the Serbian Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija" is a FICTIONAL position and whatever is says on any matter whatsover is irrelevant.
(AdamNYC)
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Not according to you apparently, it got you aroused didn't it?
No Adam, I don't notice it. Better look at your precious USA that actually uses force all the time to get 'respect' (read: oil and mineral resources). I think an American has no right to criticise other countries. Take a look at your own recent history, laden with thousands and thousands of dead people.
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