EU accession after Kosovo status resolution

"EU accession after Kosovo status resolution"

If this guy believes what he says then Serbia WILL NEVER JOIN THE EU.

Kosovo status is resolved (feb 2008 confirmed by ICJ in 2010) and the LAST UN Reolution (sept 2010) DOES NOT mention, neither directly neither indirectly, that can be any talks about status...

Albanians are fine with that as long as they entertain themselves to a degree that they dont explode to their culture of barbarity known the last in 1990s...

Serbia will join EU in 2018, Kosovo in 2017, Sandžak by the end of that year and Vojvodina right after parlamentary elections in Guinea Bissau 2020 which will be a full member in 2021. Congratulations to you all!
Romania will suffer a great deal initially after loosing EU membership and the repatriation of romanians from the streets of EU but a lot of people will get employment in Afghanistan and in US private interrogation camps back home. Romania will eventually start "franchizing" that kind of buisness from the americans leading to a multi billon industy getting the country back on their feets and into the EU again. a prosperous future indeed.

Let's leave polemics aside for one moment. There have to be talks between Serbia and Kosovo, but the EU membership can not depend on the outcome of these talks, because that factual means to put Serbias EU future on the hands of Kosovo-Albanians politicians. EU and US-politicians need to have a closer look at Kosovo's leadership. Obviously -and I really don't mean it to offend my Albanian friends- you have no reliable leadership nor the necessary progress as civil society needed. Kosovo's challenges are of a completely different kind and extent than Serbia's. May it be social issues, peoples freedom, corruption or good governance. One must bear these facst in mind, while you look for a sustainable solution and you'll finally come to the conclusion there is no other laternative to the partition of Kosovo. It is essencial that the US accept and support this solution.

"Serbia has no influence whatsoever in Kosovo when it comes to the territory." (EA)

-- Northern Kosovo. Belgrade's influence is de facto. Pristina's influence is de zero. If you don't know this, you're purposefully not paying attention.

Gracanica. Belgrade's influence remains (surprisingly) substantial. Pristina's influence is minimal to cosmetic. Most if not all Gracanica Serbs ignore both.

Strpce. The only place in Kosovo where one can elect two Serb-represented governments. How democratic.

Some form of partition - internal or external - is the only way forward and will most likely be the planned solution. Belgrade writes off everything but the Serb enclaves and Pristina accepts the reality it has no legitimate authority there and should stop meddling in its affairs for the sake of stability. Shake hands, sign the documents, pop the cork, and sing Beethoven's Ode to Joy.

Interesting to see that both Belgrade and Pristina will be forced to reach a compromise settlement in order for EU acension to take place. While Belgrade has said it will not recognize Kosovo, and while the EU has not made this a requirement, it does seem that "normalization of relations" at least implies an indirect recognition. Yet at the same time "normalization of relations" also seems to imply an indirect partition. Belgrade has to accept the first while Pristina has to accept the second. Since Belgrade has already in many ways recognized its authority in large parts of Kosovo have been nonexistant since 1999, the burden of cooperation and "normalization of relations" seems to lie with Pristina accepting a more limited authority. Hopefully politics in Kosovo can quickly reach a post-KLA stage and replace Albanian nationalism with pragmatic politics.

Mike,

I know that you favour the partition of Kosovo. That would be totally unrealistic. How about if we start talking about partition of Serbia? Serbia has no influence whatsoever in Kosovo when it comes to the territory. If Kosovo and Serbia are happy to talk about exchanges of territories in theory I have no objections but in practice it would be a nightmare for the region.

Montgomery also stated that he believes that Serbia's EU accession process will be very slow and difficult and that it will not be completed in the next seven or eight years . . . I say, fine. There is no hurry for Serbia to get into the EU. There are a lot of internal problems it needs to solve, without kowtowing to this self-serving Union (EU). Belgrade must never, under any condition, give away its historic land, and recognize an independent Albanian KiM. The Albanians have nothing to offer Serbia, so why make any large concessions to them? And by the time the EU gets around to consider Serbia for their elite club, Mladic will probably die of old age. Just keep it slow, Belgrade, there is no rush. Besides, what is there to say this Union (EU) will even exist in its present form years from now. Let's not hurry this accession process, only to find an "Out of Business" sign when we arrive there.

EA, Pristina is not in a position to negotiate on any Serbian land, including KiM. A parition of KiM may very well be in the bag, if the political situation in Bosnia improves. That is what the West is afraid of, RS following suit. But with Izetbegovic's more pragmatic approach, the volitility in BiH may improve. Belgrade and the EU/US will find a solution - I recommend you Albanians sit back and watch the developments, because you are not in charge. To view Belgrade and Pristina as equals is obsured, and you know it.

Pay attention to what he is saying
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Montgomery also stated that he believes that Serbia's EU accession process will be very slow and difficult and that it will not be completed in the next seven or eight years.
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and this
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Montgomery said that he views the process as an infinite set of steps, adding that each next step on Serbia's EU path will be conditioned.
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Notice he didn't say it will be completed after 7 or 8 years, he said it will "not be completed in the next seven or eight years". And this goes along with his other statement of there being and infinite number of steps (we all know what infinite means), and on top of that, each of those infinite steps will have conditions attached.

It is amazing that Delic can say that, "the EU path will be demanding and lengthy, but nevertheless good and beneficial for all Serbian citizens.". How will putting work and money towards something that will never happen be any good for Serbia?

As I have mentioned before, in a conference called "Is Euro-Atlantic Integration Still on Track?", one of the key points was, "Serbia must be permanently excluded from European development." Wake up Serbs to who you are negotiating with.

http://orlovi-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?19346-La-lettre-de-Willy-Wimmer-a-Gerhard-Schroder&p=719975&viewfull=1

http://www.delije.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=194551&sid=69184f199c123c39523ce22b56ff4abd

I don't see albania making progress in joining the eu much less getting visa free travel. kosovo is a permanent wastelend in its current situation. When the eu sees that it has pushed Serbia as far as it can, it will start pushing the albos and the us will be forced to choose between the eu or the albos (some choice!).

--The former ambassador stressed that there was zero chance for partition to take place after the ICJ advisory opinion and the UN General Assembly resolution in September.

Montgomery also stated that he believes that Serbia's EU accession process will be very slow and difficult and that it will not be completed in the next seven or eight years.

The former U.S. diplomat said he was certain that Serbia will not become an EU member state as long as it does not arrest the two remaining Hague fugitives, Ratko Mladić and Goran Hadžić, and until the relations with Kosovo are fully normalized.--

I agree with the former ambassador, so what else is there to say? in my opinion, ongoing partition is poison for the people of the balkans. once it starts there will be no stop.

Nearly every country in the balkans has a substantial minority/ies population. that is normal, that is as it should be. each country will have to learn to protect the human rights of members of those minorities, and learn to include them in the political process.

if anyone wants to live in ethnic-cleansing-land, they can take it to mars. actually, what a terrible idea for mars...

I just want to add one more piece of news. according to my close frnd/colleague (who is now working with a human rights group in kosova), mrs nekibe kelmendi, former justice minister, is ailing. actually i first heard this from natasa kandic, and assume it isn't private news.

we first met nekibe in 2008 and she is really a remarkable woman, most sympathetic, whose husband Bayram and 2 sons were murdered by serbian police forces in 1999. no one person should have to go thru what she has.

at any rate, if i come upon any more news, i will let people know.

ciao.

roberto frisco

I do feel sorry for those people who put all their hopes and dreams into EU membership instead of themselves.

I don't think Serbia will ever join the EU because the process will take a very long time and by then it won't be worth joining. Better alternatives will present themselves.

In time the policies of this sell-out DS led government will prove costly to the Serbian people. The sooner they get the boot the better it will be for Serbia.

"I agree with the former ambassador, so what else is there to say? in my opinion, ongoing partition is poison for the people of the balkans. once it starts there will be no stop." (roberto)

-- Oh yeah and one more thing: knowing your proclivity for being the champion of lost causes and unrealistic ideals, you ought to be a bit more carful in your affinity for Montgomery. He's not that much of a fan of Bosnia's future unity.

Mostly in light of the "partition" of Kosovo :))

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2010&mm=11&dd=01&nav_category=167&nav_id=469370

Some form of partition - internal or external - is the only way forward and will most likely be the planned solution. Belgrade writes off everything but the Serb enclaves and Pristina accepts the reality it has no legitimate authority there and should stop meddling in its affairs for the sake of stability. Shake hands, sign the documents, pop the cork, and sing Beethoven's Ode to Joy.
(Mike, 1 November 2010 18:24)
Such a simplistic and reasonable approach. Is it attainable, I don't know. for it to work, it would take the key element of both sides somewhat winning. The problem is most of the mess there is not about securing the biggest win possible for my side but preventing any win for the other side.
You ever break through that and all things are possible.

"I agree with the former ambassador, so what else is there to say? in my opinion, ongoing partition is poison for the people of the balkans. once it starts there will be no stop.

Nearly every country in the balkans has a substantial minority/ies population. that is normal, that is as it should be. each country will have to learn to protect the human rights of members of those minorities, and learn to include them in the political process."

Partition was/is already ongoing and started long ago. Where did Kosovo arose from but a partition of Serbia? Even more, you could say all the new countries that were built on EX-YU republics as results of partition (mostly along ethnic lines). Remember: Unlike all the others, Kosovo has never been a republic within Yugoslavia but only a province. Why should it stop now?

Why should it stop now?
(Top, 2 November 2010 11:46)

Because Serbia has been acting the fool consistently for decades. That option was easily achievable starting from 1999 to the Troika led negotiation. Ina consistent and foolish manner Serbia shot it down. Some important people seem to have gotten tired of Serbia's foolishness and antics. I think that's why refuse to revisit that topic. Not only because of that but even as we speak Serbia is not sure that that is what it wants. So why open a topic when even Serbia seems it hasn't wrapped its head around it yet?

" it does seem that "normalization of relations" at least implies an indirect recognition. Yet at the same time "normalization of relations" also seems to imply an indirect partition. "

It also does seem to imply that tomorrow will rain.

"EU accession after Kosovo status resolution"

If this guy believes what he says then Serbia WILL NEVER JOIN THE EU.

Kosovo status is resolved (feb 2008 confirmed by ICJ in 2010) and the LAST UN Reolution (sept 2010) DOES NOT mention, neither directly neither indirectly, that can be any talks about status...

Albanians are fine with that as long as they entertain themselves to a degree that they dont explode to their culture of barbarity known the last in 1990s...

Let's leave polemics aside for one moment. There have to be talks between Serbia and Kosovo, but the EU membership can not depend on the outcome of these talks, because that factual means to put Serbias EU future on the hands of Kosovo-Albanians politicians. EU and US-politicians need to have a closer look at Kosovo's leadership. Obviously -and I really don't mean it to offend my Albanian friends- you have no reliable leadership nor the necessary progress as civil society needed. Kosovo's challenges are of a completely different kind and extent than Serbia's. May it be social issues, peoples freedom, corruption or good governance. One must bear these facst in mind, while you look for a sustainable solution and you'll finally come to the conclusion there is no other laternative to the partition of Kosovo. It is essencial that the US accept and support this solution.

Serbia will join EU in 2018, Kosovo in 2017, Sandžak by the end of that year and Vojvodina right after parlamentary elections in Guinea Bissau 2020 which will be a full member in 2021. Congratulations to you all!
Romania will suffer a great deal initially after loosing EU membership and the repatriation of romanians from the streets of EU but a lot of people will get employment in Afghanistan and in US private interrogation camps back home. Romania will eventually start "franchizing" that kind of buisness from the americans leading to a multi billon industy getting the country back on their feets and into the EU again. a prosperous future indeed.

Mike,

I know that you favour the partition of Kosovo. That would be totally unrealistic. How about if we start talking about partition of Serbia? Serbia has no influence whatsoever in Kosovo when it comes to the territory. If Kosovo and Serbia are happy to talk about exchanges of territories in theory I have no objections but in practice it would be a nightmare for the region.

--The former ambassador stressed that there was zero chance for partition to take place after the ICJ advisory opinion and the UN General Assembly resolution in September.

Montgomery also stated that he believes that Serbia's EU accession process will be very slow and difficult and that it will not be completed in the next seven or eight years.

The former U.S. diplomat said he was certain that Serbia will not become an EU member state as long as it does not arrest the two remaining Hague fugitives, Ratko Mladić and Goran Hadžić, and until the relations with Kosovo are fully normalized.--

I agree with the former ambassador, so what else is there to say? in my opinion, ongoing partition is poison for the people of the balkans. once it starts there will be no stop.

Nearly every country in the balkans has a substantial minority/ies population. that is normal, that is as it should be. each country will have to learn to protect the human rights of members of those minorities, and learn to include them in the political process.

if anyone wants to live in ethnic-cleansing-land, they can take it to mars. actually, what a terrible idea for mars...

I just want to add one more piece of news. according to my close frnd/colleague (who is now working with a human rights group in kosova), mrs nekibe kelmendi, former justice minister, is ailing. actually i first heard this from natasa kandic, and assume it isn't private news.

we first met nekibe in 2008 and she is really a remarkable woman, most sympathetic, whose husband Bayram and 2 sons were murdered by serbian police forces in 1999. no one person should have to go thru what she has.

at any rate, if i come upon any more news, i will let people know.

ciao.

roberto frisco

EA, Pristina is not in a position to negotiate on any Serbian land, including KiM. A parition of KiM may very well be in the bag, if the political situation in Bosnia improves. That is what the West is afraid of, RS following suit. But with Izetbegovic's more pragmatic approach, the volitility in BiH may improve. Belgrade and the EU/US will find a solution - I recommend you Albanians sit back and watch the developments, because you are not in charge. To view Belgrade and Pristina as equals is obsured, and you know it.

I don't see albania making progress in joining the eu much less getting visa free travel. kosovo is a permanent wastelend in its current situation. When the eu sees that it has pushed Serbia as far as it can, it will start pushing the albos and the us will be forced to choose between the eu or the albos (some choice!).

Interesting to see that both Belgrade and Pristina will be forced to reach a compromise settlement in order for EU acension to take place. While Belgrade has said it will not recognize Kosovo, and while the EU has not made this a requirement, it does seem that "normalization of relations" at least implies an indirect recognition. Yet at the same time "normalization of relations" also seems to imply an indirect partition. Belgrade has to accept the first while Pristina has to accept the second. Since Belgrade has already in many ways recognized its authority in large parts of Kosovo have been nonexistant since 1999, the burden of cooperation and "normalization of relations" seems to lie with Pristina accepting a more limited authority. Hopefully politics in Kosovo can quickly reach a post-KLA stage and replace Albanian nationalism with pragmatic politics.

"Serbia has no influence whatsoever in Kosovo when it comes to the territory." (EA)

-- Northern Kosovo. Belgrade's influence is de facto. Pristina's influence is de zero. If you don't know this, you're purposefully not paying attention.

Gracanica. Belgrade's influence remains (surprisingly) substantial. Pristina's influence is minimal to cosmetic. Most if not all Gracanica Serbs ignore both.

Strpce. The only place in Kosovo where one can elect two Serb-represented governments. How democratic.

Some form of partition - internal or external - is the only way forward and will most likely be the planned solution. Belgrade writes off everything but the Serb enclaves and Pristina accepts the reality it has no legitimate authority there and should stop meddling in its affairs for the sake of stability. Shake hands, sign the documents, pop the cork, and sing Beethoven's Ode to Joy.

Montgomery also stated that he believes that Serbia's EU accession process will be very slow and difficult and that it will not be completed in the next seven or eight years . . . I say, fine. There is no hurry for Serbia to get into the EU. There are a lot of internal problems it needs to solve, without kowtowing to this self-serving Union (EU). Belgrade must never, under any condition, give away its historic land, and recognize an independent Albanian KiM. The Albanians have nothing to offer Serbia, so why make any large concessions to them? And by the time the EU gets around to consider Serbia for their elite club, Mladic will probably die of old age. Just keep it slow, Belgrade, there is no rush. Besides, what is there to say this Union (EU) will even exist in its present form years from now. Let's not hurry this accession process, only to find an "Out of Business" sign when we arrive there.

I do feel sorry for those people who put all their hopes and dreams into EU membership instead of themselves.

I don't think Serbia will ever join the EU because the process will take a very long time and by then it won't be worth joining. Better alternatives will present themselves.

In time the policies of this sell-out DS led government will prove costly to the Serbian people. The sooner they get the boot the better it will be for Serbia.

Pay attention to what he is saying
----
Montgomery also stated that he believes that Serbia's EU accession process will be very slow and difficult and that it will not be completed in the next seven or eight years.
----

and this
----
Montgomery said that he views the process as an infinite set of steps, adding that each next step on Serbia's EU path will be conditioned.
----

Notice he didn't say it will be completed after 7 or 8 years, he said it will "not be completed in the next seven or eight years". And this goes along with his other statement of there being and infinite number of steps (we all know what infinite means), and on top of that, each of those infinite steps will have conditions attached.

It is amazing that Delic can say that, "the EU path will be demanding and lengthy, but nevertheless good and beneficial for all Serbian citizens.". How will putting work and money towards something that will never happen be any good for Serbia?

As I have mentioned before, in a conference called "Is Euro-Atlantic Integration Still on Track?", one of the key points was, "Serbia must be permanently excluded from European development." Wake up Serbs to who you are negotiating with.

http://orlovi-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?19346-La-lettre-de-Willy-Wimmer-a-Gerhard-Schroder&p=719975&viewfull=1

http://www.delije.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=194551&sid=69184f199c123c39523ce22b56ff4abd

Some form of partition - internal or external - is the only way forward and will most likely be the planned solution. Belgrade writes off everything but the Serb enclaves and Pristina accepts the reality it has no legitimate authority there and should stop meddling in its affairs for the sake of stability. Shake hands, sign the documents, pop the cork, and sing Beethoven's Ode to Joy.
(Mike, 1 November 2010 18:24)
Such a simplistic and reasonable approach. Is it attainable, I don't know. for it to work, it would take the key element of both sides somewhat winning. The problem is most of the mess there is not about securing the biggest win possible for my side but preventing any win for the other side.
You ever break through that and all things are possible.

"I agree with the former ambassador, so what else is there to say? in my opinion, ongoing partition is poison for the people of the balkans. once it starts there will be no stop." (roberto)

-- Oh yeah and one more thing: knowing your proclivity for being the champion of lost causes and unrealistic ideals, you ought to be a bit more carful in your affinity for Montgomery. He's not that much of a fan of Bosnia's future unity.

Mostly in light of the "partition" of Kosovo :))

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2010&mm=11&dd=01&nav_category=167&nav_id=469370

"I agree with the former ambassador, so what else is there to say? in my opinion, ongoing partition is poison for the people of the balkans. once it starts there will be no stop.

Nearly every country in the balkans has a substantial minority/ies population. that is normal, that is as it should be. each country will have to learn to protect the human rights of members of those minorities, and learn to include them in the political process."

Partition was/is already ongoing and started long ago. Where did Kosovo arose from but a partition of Serbia? Even more, you could say all the new countries that were built on EX-YU republics as results of partition (mostly along ethnic lines). Remember: Unlike all the others, Kosovo has never been a republic within Yugoslavia but only a province. Why should it stop now?

Why should it stop now?
(Top, 2 November 2010 11:46)

Because Serbia has been acting the fool consistently for decades. That option was easily achievable starting from 1999 to the Troika led negotiation. Ina consistent and foolish manner Serbia shot it down. Some important people seem to have gotten tired of Serbia's foolishness and antics. I think that's why refuse to revisit that topic. Not only because of that but even as we speak Serbia is not sure that that is what it wants. So why open a topic when even Serbia seems it hasn't wrapped its head around it yet?

" it does seem that "normalization of relations" at least implies an indirect recognition. Yet at the same time "normalization of relations" also seems to imply an indirect partition. "

It also does seem to imply that tomorrow will rain.