"Conflict to be solved through compromise"

Listen Tadic, the only compromise we Albanians will accept is you to first recognize Kosovo, thats the least thing Serbs can do if you are insterested in any kind of peace, if not then stop wasting our time.

"... the Serbian president reiterated Serbia's stance that it would never recognize the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo."

There would be no serious talks if Serbia doesn't recognise Kosovo independence. Any other suggestion would be unrealistic. These expected talks under Serbia's "red lines" of "of not to recognise Kosovo independece" seem to be designed purely for public consumptions and a further attempt to stop countries which are considering recognition of Kosovo's independence. It can be used as an excuse to "hold on" as "we are still in the process of talking".

I really can not see how on earth Serbia can re-establish its sovereignity/territorial integrity over Kosovo. Maybe someone with a sharper brain than mine and Tadic's in here can enlighten us)).

“It would be, however, a catastrophic mistake if anyone in the EU would blackmail Serbia into recognizing Kosovo's independence in exchange for EU membership,” he said.

Well I don't think any one in EU will force Serbia to recognise Kosovo independence. Absolutely right! But what EU will rightly say to Serbia "We don't want another Cyprus in our rank's", "Solve your open issue with your neighbours first and that will includes Kosovo" and third "after you have done your homework let's talk about your EU membership". I feel that Kosovo and Serbia will enter in the EU at the same time.

For me the the realistic way forward would be Serbia recognise Kosovo independence first, treat each other as equal partners for peace, enter in mutual friendship agreements which will include freedom of movement for people, goods, trade...

the Serbian president reiterated Serbia's stance that it would never recognize the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo.

I think the best way would be if serbs from serbian government come to Kosovo's parlament and together declare another Independence for Kosovo. That way no need to recognize Kosovo because you'll be one of those who declared independence :)
Anyone agree with me?

It's fairly obvious by the comments below that ethnic Albanian's effort for independence is based on hope - an impossible hope. Independence is irreversibly blocked and the reality on the ground is more than autonomy, less than independence (in an isolated manner).

For anyone who read the ICJ decision it should be clear that UNSCR1244 is still effective and also the only reason the UDI was legal in this case was due to the people declaring having no international legitimacy. It's a bit like the term "unlawful combatants" we also have "unlawful representitives" where international law does not apply to them.

In this case, they are isolated and can only gain legitimacy through recognition, however, the world has overwhelmingly rejected them including some of the most powerful nations (BRIC).

So instead of hoping Serbia will recognise Kosovo (which will never happen), it is time to face reality that only through compromise will this matter be resolved. Kosovo will never become independent so face that reality and move forward. The fact that ethnic Albanians are prepared to compromise with Belgrade is an admission that "Kosova" is still dependent.

It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams. Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?

Today is the 15th anniversary of the referendum in Quebec to separate from Canada.

This time 15 years ago, the rest of Canada went down on it's knees and begged Quebecers not to separate.

Quebecers make up about the same percentage of Canadians than Albanians did of Serbia.

How many Albanian flags flew in Belgrade out of respect for Albanians and by way of asking them not to separate? How many people pushed for Albanian to be an official language of Serbia? How many Serbians travelled to Pristina on their own accord and marched through the city with signs asking "please don't go".

That's what a country which squashed a separatist movement did. That's what Canada and Canadians did.

Watch at learn, Serbia. This is how it's done:

It's too late now, of course, but maybe you can have a look at this and see how it's done, look at yourselves and see how it's not done.

Zoran,

I am writing to you as a "true" Serb.

I hope you haven't been drunk in your comments that

"Independence is irreversibly blocked and the reality on the ground is more than autonomy, less than independence (in an isolated manner)."

Independence from Serbia is the REALITY. Ask Nikolic and other Serbian polititian whom have been refused entry to Kosovo.

I can see that bear in mind your status you have tried really hard "to enlight us"

that

"...the only reason the UDI was legal in this case was due to the people declaring having no international legitimacy. It's a bit like the term "unlawful combatants" we also have "unlawful representitives" where international law does not apply to them.

I know that you love to be a superjudge. So does Koshtunica and some other failed Serbian politians.

but I am tring to figure it out how it comes you lost the plot saying

"...they are isolated and can only gain legitimacy through recognition, however, the world has overwhelmingly rejected them including some of the most powerful nations (BRIC)."

You didn't mean USA and the overwhelming majority of EU countries?)))

and excuse me but when you say that

" instead of hoping Serbia will recognise Kosovo (which will never happen), it is time to face reality that only through compromise..."

you refer as "compromise" Kosovo being under Serbia's sovereignity/territorial integrity that is NOT a compromise but purely reversing to the historic conflict and new war.

You are right to have your own opionion and saying

".. Kosovo will never become independent so face that reality and move forward."

But your reality as a "true" Serb is as real to the the reality of a "true" Albanian for Kosovo being part of Albania. If you want to compare that realities the second one is more realistic the the first one.

You "surprised" me with

"The fact that ethnic Albanians are prepared to compromise with Belgrade is an admission that "Kosova" is still dependent."

Who told you that? Or it was one of your "tricks" to foolish us here with misinformations. To my knowledge Kosovo Albanians have never spoken about any compromises when it comes to their independence from Serbia or so-called status of Kosovo.

The only thing that I agree with you is when you write

"It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams." Thank you Zoran for that))) Did you have to try hard to get to that conclusion?)))

The very last thing which put a smile in my face was

"Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?

Let me give you a very simple answer. North and South Korea))))

North Korea and South Korea and also not many many years ago East and West Germany. Kosovo and Albania are ONE nation two states. That is a HUGE compromise from Albanians for the sake of stability and peace in the region.

Listen Tadic, the only compromise we Albanians will accept is you to first recognize Kosovo, thats the least thing Serbs can do if you are insterested in any kind of peace, if not then stop wasting our time.
(Pejoni)
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Unfortunatly this isn't for you to decide. These talks are happening whether you, your "officials or even your "people" like it or not.

Serbia will never recognize your quasi-status, and there really isnt anything you can do about it. Your fate has alreAdy been decided for you.

It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams. Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 13:51)

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.

(EA, 30 October 2010 11:31)
Initially talks were never on the agenda. After the ICJ decision the US could not guarantee manipulation of the UN resolution vote so to avoid a historic embarrassment they had to compromise. This is acknowledged by most counties so it’s no big secret.
“…………….mutual friendship agreements which will include freedom of movement for people, goods, trade...” Kosovo has nothing to trade except drugs or people smuggling. It produces nothing – it’s a consumer not a producer and it’s supported by EU funds. It has no minerals or energy to speak of, so what do the Albos have to offer except slow integration with Serbia or a break up of territory?
“It can be used as an excuse to "hold on" as "we are still in the process of talking". – yes these talks can take many years and can go around in circles. There are two counties that will not allow Kosovo into the UN under any circumstances unless Serbia agrees regardless of the number of counties recognizing it as independent.
Meanwhile, the population is getting more and more restless. The EU will not give Kosovo visa free travel otherwise millions of Albanians in the EU. Your statement of free movement of people only means Albanians seeking jobs in Serbia proper.
Based on this logic, why would Serbia negotiate away it fundamental interests? Everyone knows that Serbia has as much chance of joining the EU as Bin laden becoming a US congressman.
The EU has run out of money and becoming a member means nothing except signing away your rights as a sovereign country. There is no pot of gold at the end of this EU rainbow. Ask the Latvians or Estonians – they have lived the dream and are now into the nightmare stage.
“Serbia is closely following the initiative of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev concerning a new security system in Europe” – this is the crux of the problem for the US. This is the huge “gorilla” sitting in the lounge room which the US refuses to acknowledge. Let me assure you that if it does not suit the Russians nothing is going to happen – status quo.

It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams. Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 13:51)

Your homeland is in the U _ _ _ Mountains. Sorry to sound so harsh, it's the truth, I hear everything there is Serbian, even the soil is ripe with Serbian-ism.

Pejoni by definition your demand is not a compromise, it is subjugation to your wishes.

And I don't understand what is the point of threatening war, if that is what you are doing.

I want peace but I wont get any unless I agree to bow to your demands. As I say look up 'comromise'.

As far as the point is concerned we are finally moving towards talks and I'm thankful. There will always be those who try to obstruct them and I've always opposed them - the fact that in the old days there were more Serbs that opposed talks and today there are more Albanians that oppose talks doesn't change my opinion.

"Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 13:51) "

How many do the Arabs have?

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.
(trudsaam, 30 October 2010 21:08)

sorry trudsaam , that the kind of blind chauvanism that got you guys in trouble in the first place. "Greater Serbia" is only alive in the fantasy realms of Seselj and his kind (yes backward fantasists).

I am surprised that there is any thought of open borders. The French have been sending people back to Romania, but also there are a lot of Kosovo Albanians who are happy to live off the state through-out Europe. They too are being sent back whenever they can be.

There are family feuds that drive Albanians away from Kosovo to try to become refugees elsewhere - this is much under-publicised. This is in addition to the well publicised drug and human-trafficing activities that have knock-on effects throughout Europe.

Serbia's arguments of integrating or having open-borders with Kosovo could well turn into the next nightmare for the whole of Europe.

Is Tadic calling the EU's bluff?

Mr. Tadic is not what you are looking for,If you really want a compromise with the Albanians accept independence. otherwise never in Human life compromise with the Albanian people and never asks for it

At this time dialogue is the only way to move forward. Imagine what would be if a just compromise were reached. Instead of Kosovo being recognized by a bit over a third of the world's nations, it would be recognized by perhaps all nations. Further, both Kosovo and Serbia would move into the EU together, opening doors for all citizens of the Balkans. Instead, by insisting that Kosovo is already an independent nation, by lying about the ICJ opinion, Kosovo is left in limbo. Is it better to be in limbo and to be another Cyprus or would it be better to be a fully independent nation? Imagine if Kosovo and Serbia were to fully cooperate as two independent nations how each would grow. It seems like Serbia is ready to find just solutions, solutions that certainly wouldn't include the current borders envisioned by Kosovo's Albanians. However, this solution would be acceptable to everyone and this whole mess would be resolved. That would be nice.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them" - Albert Einstein.

Today is the 15th anniversary of the referendum in Quebec to separate from Canada.

This time 15 years ago, the rest of Canada went down on it's knees and begged Quebecers not to separate.

Quebecers make up about the same percentage of Canadians than Albanians did of Serbia.

How many Albanian flags flew in Belgrade out of respect for Albanians and by way of asking them not to separate? How many people pushed for Albanian to be an official language of Serbia? How many Serbians travelled to Pristina on their own accord and marched through the city with signs asking "please don't go".

That's what a country which squashed a separatist movement did. That's what Canada and Canadians did.

Watch at learn, Serbia. This is how it's done:

[link]/


It's too late now, of course, but maybe you can have a look at this and see how it's done, look at yourselves and see how it's not done.
(Danilo)
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Looks like you need to be woken up.

Why would Serbs walk around Belgrade with an Albanian Flag, and NOT a Kosovo one?

Why should Serbia "beg" (as u put it) for the Albanos not to go :( ?

Lastly your research on Canadian politics wasnt concluded. About 75% + Canadians outside of Quebec, mostly in the Western parts, couldnt care less if they seperated or not.

And never once have I seen a France flag waved in Ontario (Ottawa) reffering to Quebec staying apart of Canada.

Your comparasant has no support.

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.
(trudsaam, 30 October 2010 21:08)

and I am Princ Lazar, hehehehe

(pss, 30 October 2010 15:04)
“NATO has never been involved in the politics of Kosovo” this would be true if it wasn’t for the fact that NATO itself has a policy unit within its ranks headed by Jamie Shea. In theory your statement should be correct, but in practice these issues tend to meld together and you don’t know where one ends and the other finishes. A lot of back room discussions are never revealed to the general public so you will find that NATO does “interfere” with Kosovo’s internal affairs.
Pristina would love to control the north by sending in its special police force to “fix the criminal problem”. However, to do that the Albos would need NATO backup and NATO needs an uprising like “another hole in the head”. The real reason for the reduction in numbers is cost – the EU is having big problems; aging population; the fallout of the GFC – Europe is as enmeshed in the toxic loans business as the US.
……surge in NATO numbers would not need consideration by the UNSC. As long as 1244 is in force their mandate is in effect.”
Any new NATO involvement has to get the Russians on side – this is not a “throw away statement” but 2010 reality. The US could not act unilaterally simply because they are no longer the super power of the 1990s and I don’t know of too many NATO members that are willing to get into a fight over Kosovo again.
The last thing NATO wants is civil unrest and it embroiled right in the middle of that problem. Civil unrest ties their hands and if they were to use force on the Serbs then Serbia would have to come in by supplying arms and “volunteers” followed very closely by the Russians. The situation could spiral out of control and the Europeans, or anyone else for that matter, do not want this scenario to ever occur.
NATO in 2010 is not the same organization as in 1999. Afghanistan has taken the steam and bravado out of that organization. Why are various NATO members pulling out of Afghanistan if it had the same strength as in the past? Once NATO leaves it will be reorganized. Why do you think the Russians are talking about a new security system in Europe?

Zoran,

Independence from Serbia is the REALITY. Ask Nikolic and other Serbian polititian whom have been refused entry to Kosovo.
(EA, 30 October 2010 15:14)
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I don't have to ask Nikolic anything. I can see by the number of requests here by ethnic Albanians that "Kosova" is not independent. If it were then why on earth would you need Serbia's recognition? Why are so many of you coming to this Serbian site asking for it? If you were truly independent you would just go about your business and not worry about Serbia. You wouldn't have EULEX there enforcing the rule of law and you wouldn't have the NATO occupation.

Anyway, these negotiations are a risk for Serbia by acknowledging the representitives of "Kosova" (unlawful politicians) but if it will bring a true compromise and peace to the region then so be it. But Kosovo will never be a legitimate and independent state, now that is a fact.

My question now is are those representitives in Pristina capable of compromise? Do they know how to negotiate? I really have my doubts.

"Amer, you are refering to Arabs in the same context as Slavs and that is not what I was refering to.
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 19:54) "

Unlike Slavs, which have different written languages, Arabs have one (Modern Standard Arabic). The dialects are not all mutually intelligible, but then, neither are the different varieties of Chinese. So, basically, it's one people with multiple states, mostly drawn up by colonial powers. If not for them, or if Nasser had been successful, they would have one country with one UN vote. For similar reasons, the Albanians (also the Romanians) end up with more than one.

Of course I'm comparing apples and oranges. That's the point. Canada is a civil society that's open to calm debate on all subjects - including it's very existence.

Serbia thinks you can send in the troops and write "Kosovo je Srbija" in it's constitution and call it a day.

There was terrorism in Quebec - British diplomat and trade commissioner was kidnapped and a high-level politician was kidnapped and murdered.

There wasn't a civil war, true, but guess what? That's because Canada listened to the legitimate issues that Quebecers had and made serious changes to the whole country.

How many people here think Albanians even HAVE any issues worth listening to?

Therein lies everything.

You are comparing apples to oranges, Danilo. I think you forgot about that little civil war in Kosovo in the 90's. Did I miss the on in Quebec?

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.

Your homeland is in the U _ _ _ Mountains....
(KOSO, 30 October 2010 20:34)
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And Alb-aliens came from the planet Zog. Either that or they were illegal immigrants and transported to planet Earth and given a new identity (Albanians).

kosovo time is running out - next year, the palestinians will announce their own UDI and 100+ countries, except america, will recognize it. Then america will be forced to compromise on kosovo in order to save israel.

This time 15 years ago, the rest of Canada went down on it's knees and begged Quebecers not to separate.
(Danilo, 30 October 2010 18:39)
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Danilo, when ethnic Albanians resorted to terrorism they lost the right to independence. The world will never reward terrorists and that is the reason recognitions are so few. Watch that video to see how you should have asked for it but it's too late now.

Amer, you are refering to Arabs in the same context as Slavs and that is not what I was refering to.

"Lastly your research on Canadian politics wasnt concluded. About 75% + Canadians outside of Quebec, mostly in the Western parts, couldnt care less if they seperated or not."

That may be true today (though I highly doubt the number would be that high in the event of an actual referendum), but you know what's also true? The same number in Quebec wouldn't think of trying to separate again. Why? Because the legitimate concerns of Quebec were addressed and serious changes were made to the whole of Canada. Most of even the fiercest proponents of separatism have renounced their previous position and declared separatism dead.

Again, why? Because Quebecers feel at home in Canada (and passionately so). Imagine the kind of seismic changes that would have to happen here for former KLA to be waving the Serbian flag and be proclaiming "Kosovo je Srbija". It's impossible and it's impossible because Serbia hasn't yet learned some pretty basic lessons in modern life.

Tadic, as usual, talks out of both sides of his mouth. He states that Serbia is not yet ready to join NATO. He must surely understand that NATO is nearly analogous with the EU + USA + Turkey and everyone knows Tadic's only goal is to join the EU. As others writers have stated, the EU is failing economically. Even this week, Germany and France combined to force a vote on restricting future
'bailouts' of EU state economies. It is time for Serbia to move beyond its quest to join the EU. It is time to realize that Serbia, likewise, is in no position to battle NATO to regain total control of Kosovo. The goal should now move to "self-determination" within the various regions of Kosovo so that the Serb north can be reunited with Serbia. The remainder of Kosovo will then, ultimately, unite with Albania. Likewise, Bosnia is a 'failed state.' Republika Srpska should similarly seek self-determination. If RS wants to unite with Serbia and Croat populated areas with Croatia, that is the single path that will lessen ethnic conflict in the Balkans. Surely it is time for Tadic and his cronies to leave office and be replaced by politicians more attuned to the Serbian People's desires.

Agim, is this a relative www.reportingproject.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=503&Itemid=43
Just curious. Anyway, I like what Tadic had to say. He is a voice of reason, makes no threats, or foot-stomping cries of uncompromising babble. I believe he is leading Serbia in the right direction. The old socialist days of isolation are done - no going back. People like Ilic and Nikolic are a dying breed, and they and their followers will one day be gone, and Serbia will be able to breath a little fresher air.

--Since the constitution of its present government, Serbia has spared no effort to arrest Mladić and will continue to do so, Tadić pointed out.

“This is not being done for the European Union or the Hague Tribunal, but for the sake of Serbia itself and its policy of regional reconciliation,” he said at a reception for the participants in the meeting of the ABNA-SE.

Tadić also says that although he personally did not take part in Serbia's political life during the war, he now has the difficult task of visiting the places where war crimes had been committed.

He repeated that he had already visited Srebrenica and that he intended to visit Vukovar soon.

“It is my duty to close the Ratko Mladić page in history,” the president concluded.

Tadić thanked the EU member states for recognizing that Serbia was doing everything to arrest Mladić.--

Same ole lies, same ole crap.

the blgd regimes have done everything possible NOT to arrest mass murderer Mladic. not under kostunica and that fake kostunica constitution (still in effect), not now.

this recent 10 million euro offer is the first development that has something interesting in it. of course it's just a (not so) cheap PR stunt for eu/hague consumption, another diversion. but i personally plan to make use of it. in other words, put yr euros where yr (lying) mouth is. as i have articulated already in some detail. anyone interested in joining us?

as for all this phony-balony "compromising," so long as the blgd regime insists it will NEVER recognize an independent kosova, bla bla bla, it means less than nothing.

but, this proposed idea about traveling to pristina and officially recognizing kosova's independence together with kosovar officials, well, that's an interesting possibility. no more "udi". let's float it at the negotiations, eh?

As for touring the sites of serbia's genocidal aggression, tadic has a long way to go. literally. i suggest he contact some of the victim/survivor groups, then increase his efforts ten-fold. in fact, it would become a full time job, and SHould. kosova alone is chock-full of sites of serbian aggression, massacres and atrocities. you can begin by checking out the OSCE-99 Kosova report. or just contact me, i'll be glad to give you a heads-up.

as for tadic's up-front support for demagogue dodik (who hardly needed it!), it just put the finishing touches to tadic's full-blown hypocrisy. better to stay an up-front nationalist, in the worst way, and just drop the "moderate" pretense.

Can't wait for the talks to begin. we have a lot to say...

ciao!

roberto
frisco

Kosovo is independent.

the only compromise will be serbia's acceptance of the reality... as illustrated by serbia bowing down at the UN and refrained from making any further legal challenges

no one is blackmailing serbia into doing anything.

choose.

not all the propaganda and lies serb leadership feeds its people will change that reality.

Your homeland is in the U _ _ _ Mountains....
(KOSO, 30 October 2010 20:34)
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And Alb-aliens came from the planet Zog. Either that or they were illegal immigrants and transported to planet Earth and given a new identity (Albanians).
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 23:42)
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Send a Serb agent descuised as an Albanian historian and deny that Albanians cant be Illyrian decendants without any facts just hypothetical theories. because its not the the interest of south slavs to respect Albanians territorial integridy since they have settled on Illyrian soil.


Kaplan Resuli(Burovic) was one of them,

He warned that it would be a catastrophic mistake if anyone in the EU blackmailed Serbia into recognizing Kosovo in exchange for EU membership.

What catastrophe are you planing to cause Mr.Tadic? Is this a threat for other tragedies that Serbia is ready to bring upon the Balkans again? The pro western Serbian democracy is the same as the Milosevician one.

"The simple fact is that many people want just one independent nation (Kurds, Palestinians, Basques) but are denied - however ethnic Albanians want two. "

From the number of red and black flags that still fly in Kosovo, I assume people would be content to simply join Albania. It's the international community that put an end to that idea, forcing the Kosovars to rule the possibility of joining Albania in their constitution. And Tadic says the Albanians got everything and the Serbs, nothing. At least they'll have the two votes at the UN.

Any new NATO involvement has to get the Russians on side – this is not a “throw away statement” but 2010 reality. The US could not act unilaterally simply because they are no longer the super power of the 1990s and I don’t know of too many NATO members that are willing to get into a fight over Kosovo again.
sj,
Any NEW involvement would be under the assumption 1244 was no longer valid. The size of the NATO force has never been dependent on UNSC. Just as NATO makes the decision to reduce troop levels due to security situation, should they see this as a mistake they can just as easily increase troop levels if the security situation warrants it (without any prior meeting of the UNSC).
It is true what you say of behind the scene actions, Considering that the majority of NATO as well as the EU consider Kosovo as an independent nation their leaders will thus act accordingly.
Of course should there be an all out invasion of Kosovo by Serbia then the armed forces of recognizing countries would become involved through the invitation of a fellow sovereign country and not in context of UNSC 1244.

Even with 1244 NATO will seek approval from the Russians before they lift a finger. How many times do you have to be that the US or NATO will NOT act unilaterally, these days they consult and get consensus before getting a cup of tea.

“by Serbia then the armed forces of recognizing countries would become involved through the invitation of a fellow sovereign country and not in context of UNSC 1244”. I would not hang my hat on this one either. As I have said before agreement has to be reached with you know who – this is not 1999.
(sj, 31 October 2010 22:21
You have nothing, nada, zip to back up your claims and in reality you are just plain wrong. It cannot get simpler than that.

But Tadic ALREADY did just that

he permitted Kosovo to become an independent nation without official protest!!!

Juts read what Tadic did, from today's "The Globe and Mail":
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In exchange, Mr. Tadic has done ...

most extraordinarily, he permitted the breakaway Muslim-majority province of Kosovo, ... a symbolic touchstone for many Serbs,
to become an independent nation without official protest.

... he persuaded poli
ticians to shut up about Kosovo. ..."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/belgrade-comes-in-from-the-cold-almost/article1778821/

Belgrade comes in from the cold, almost


Doug Saunders
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Oct. 29, 2010 6:46PM EDT

The simple fact is that many people want just one independent nation (Kurds, Palestinians, Basques) but are denied - however ethnic Albanians want two.
(Zoran, 31 October 2010)

That is wrong. All the Albanians in Albania, Kosova, Macedonia, and Monenegro want ONE united Albania. It's just that the political climate doesn't not allow it.

And what are the compromises that serbs are ready to do?
None!
So ,no need to spent time and money.we already has losts of meeting and negociations and serbs did not take them seriously,as they will not be serious in these ones!
But just as alwys serbs are a train too late:may be they will accept kosovo independence tomorrow as kosovo-albania union is at the horizon...

These fascist ideas died back in WWII.
(trudsaam, 2 November 2010)

1. There's nothing fascist about a people wanting to live together. Fascist is subjugating a people against their own will. Fascist is you wanting my land and finding me undesirable because of my different ethnicity or religion.

2. The only reason we don't want to live with any of our neighbours is because in every neighbouring country Albanians are seen as a threat and not as a equal constituency of said countries. I have no problems with Albanians living in Serbia, Montenegro, or Macedonia (not including Greece since they exterminated their Albanian minority) as long as the Albanians are guaranteed the same opportunites and treated as equal citizens. The second you start treating me as a second class citizens is the second I start not wanting to share a country with you.

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.
(trudsaam, 30 October 2010 21:08)

and I am Princ Lazar, hehehehe
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Open a book for once and you will see. You fanatical Albano sources are not source worthy.

Unlike Slavs, which have different written languages, Arabs have one (Modern Standard Arabic). The dialects are not all mutually intelligible...
(Amer, 31 October 2010 00:57)
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No Amer, they have been successfully divided. These days the "Arabs" call themselves Egyptians, Lebonese, Syrian or whatever nation they may be in. You could also argue that Serbians have two homelands, Serbia and BiH because Bosnian muslims are Serbians who changed religion during the Ottoman rule. However, you wouldn't mention that.

The simple fact is that many people want just one independent nation (Kurds, Palestinians, Basques) but are denied - however ethnic Albanians want two. The simple fact is the world, representing about 90% of the population has already rejected that idea. Compromise is the only way and independence is out (and so is full control over Kosovo by Serbia) - so more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.

Even with 1244 NATO will seek approval from the Russians before they lift a finger. How many times do you have to be that the US or NATO will NOT act unilaterally, these days they consult and get consensus before getting a cup of tea.

“by Serbia then the armed forces of recognizing countries would become involved through the invitation of a fellow sovereign country and not in context of UNSC 1244”. I would not hang my hat on this one either. As I have said before agreement has to be reached with you know who – this is not 1999.

That is wrong. All the Albanians in Albania, Kosova, Macedonia, and Monenegro want ONE united Albania. It's just that the political climate doesn't not allow it.
(Zoti)
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These fascist ideas died back in WWII.

Pss

I did provide a complete explanation but B92 did a very poor job of editing my response.

In fact it's not even English.

The second you start treating me as a second class citizens is the second I start not wanting to share a country with you.
(Zoti)
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And this is when ethnic cleansing starts. Thank you for confirming this.

If your inferiority complex does this much damage to you, maybe you should seek help.

Listen Tadic, the only compromise we Albanians will accept is you to first recognize Kosovo, thats the least thing Serbs can do if you are insterested in any kind of peace, if not then stop wasting our time.

"... the Serbian president reiterated Serbia's stance that it would never recognize the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo."

There would be no serious talks if Serbia doesn't recognise Kosovo independence. Any other suggestion would be unrealistic. These expected talks under Serbia's "red lines" of "of not to recognise Kosovo independece" seem to be designed purely for public consumptions and a further attempt to stop countries which are considering recognition of Kosovo's independence. It can be used as an excuse to "hold on" as "we are still in the process of talking".

I really can not see how on earth Serbia can re-establish its sovereignity/territorial integrity over Kosovo. Maybe someone with a sharper brain than mine and Tadic's in here can enlighten us)).

“It would be, however, a catastrophic mistake if anyone in the EU would blackmail Serbia into recognizing Kosovo's independence in exchange for EU membership,” he said.

Well I don't think any one in EU will force Serbia to recognise Kosovo independence. Absolutely right! But what EU will rightly say to Serbia "We don't want another Cyprus in our rank's", "Solve your open issue with your neighbours first and that will includes Kosovo" and third "after you have done your homework let's talk about your EU membership". I feel that Kosovo and Serbia will enter in the EU at the same time.

For me the the realistic way forward would be Serbia recognise Kosovo independence first, treat each other as equal partners for peace, enter in mutual friendship agreements which will include freedom of movement for people, goods, trade...

Listen Tadic, the only compromise we Albanians will accept is you to first recognize Kosovo, thats the least thing Serbs can do if you are insterested in any kind of peace, if not then stop wasting our time.
(Pejoni)
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Unfortunatly this isn't for you to decide. These talks are happening whether you, your "officials or even your "people" like it or not.

Serbia will never recognize your quasi-status, and there really isnt anything you can do about it. Your fate has alreAdy been decided for you.

It's fairly obvious by the comments below that ethnic Albanian's effort for independence is based on hope - an impossible hope. Independence is irreversibly blocked and the reality on the ground is more than autonomy, less than independence (in an isolated manner).

For anyone who read the ICJ decision it should be clear that UNSCR1244 is still effective and also the only reason the UDI was legal in this case was due to the people declaring having no international legitimacy. It's a bit like the term "unlawful combatants" we also have "unlawful representitives" where international law does not apply to them.

In this case, they are isolated and can only gain legitimacy through recognition, however, the world has overwhelmingly rejected them including some of the most powerful nations (BRIC).

So instead of hoping Serbia will recognise Kosovo (which will never happen), it is time to face reality that only through compromise will this matter be resolved. Kosovo will never become independent so face that reality and move forward. The fact that ethnic Albanians are prepared to compromise with Belgrade is an admission that "Kosova" is still dependent.

It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams. Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?

(EA, 30 October 2010 11:31)
Initially talks were never on the agenda. After the ICJ decision the US could not guarantee manipulation of the UN resolution vote so to avoid a historic embarrassment they had to compromise. This is acknowledged by most counties so it’s no big secret.
“…………….mutual friendship agreements which will include freedom of movement for people, goods, trade...” Kosovo has nothing to trade except drugs or people smuggling. It produces nothing – it’s a consumer not a producer and it’s supported by EU funds. It has no minerals or energy to speak of, so what do the Albos have to offer except slow integration with Serbia or a break up of territory?
“It can be used as an excuse to "hold on" as "we are still in the process of talking". – yes these talks can take many years and can go around in circles. There are two counties that will not allow Kosovo into the UN under any circumstances unless Serbia agrees regardless of the number of counties recognizing it as independent.
Meanwhile, the population is getting more and more restless. The EU will not give Kosovo visa free travel otherwise millions of Albanians in the EU. Your statement of free movement of people only means Albanians seeking jobs in Serbia proper.
Based on this logic, why would Serbia negotiate away it fundamental interests? Everyone knows that Serbia has as much chance of joining the EU as Bin laden becoming a US congressman.
The EU has run out of money and becoming a member means nothing except signing away your rights as a sovereign country. There is no pot of gold at the end of this EU rainbow. Ask the Latvians or Estonians – they have lived the dream and are now into the nightmare stage.
“Serbia is closely following the initiative of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev concerning a new security system in Europe” – this is the crux of the problem for the US. This is the huge “gorilla” sitting in the lounge room which the US refuses to acknowledge. Let me assure you that if it does not suit the Russians nothing is going to happen – status quo.

Pejoni by definition your demand is not a compromise, it is subjugation to your wishes.

And I don't understand what is the point of threatening war, if that is what you are doing.

I want peace but I wont get any unless I agree to bow to your demands. As I say look up 'comromise'.

As far as the point is concerned we are finally moving towards talks and I'm thankful. There will always be those who try to obstruct them and I've always opposed them - the fact that in the old days there were more Serbs that opposed talks and today there are more Albanians that oppose talks doesn't change my opinion.

Mr. Tadic is not what you are looking for,If you really want a compromise with the Albanians accept independence. otherwise never in Human life compromise with the Albanian people and never asks for it

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.

Zoran,

I am writing to you as a "true" Serb.

I hope you haven't been drunk in your comments that

"Independence is irreversibly blocked and the reality on the ground is more than autonomy, less than independence (in an isolated manner)."

Independence from Serbia is the REALITY. Ask Nikolic and other Serbian polititian whom have been refused entry to Kosovo.

I can see that bear in mind your status you have tried really hard "to enlight us"

that

"...the only reason the UDI was legal in this case was due to the people declaring having no international legitimacy. It's a bit like the term "unlawful combatants" we also have "unlawful representitives" where international law does not apply to them.

I know that you love to be a superjudge. So does Koshtunica and some other failed Serbian politians.

but I am tring to figure it out how it comes you lost the plot saying

"...they are isolated and can only gain legitimacy through recognition, however, the world has overwhelmingly rejected them including some of the most powerful nations (BRIC)."

You didn't mean USA and the overwhelming majority of EU countries?)))

and excuse me but when you say that

" instead of hoping Serbia will recognise Kosovo (which will never happen), it is time to face reality that only through compromise..."

you refer as "compromise" Kosovo being under Serbia's sovereignity/territorial integrity that is NOT a compromise but purely reversing to the historic conflict and new war.

You are right to have your own opionion and saying

".. Kosovo will never become independent so face that reality and move forward."

But your reality as a "true" Serb is as real to the the reality of a "true" Albanian for Kosovo being part of Albania. If you want to compare that realities the second one is more realistic the the first one.

You "surprised" me with

"The fact that ethnic Albanians are prepared to compromise with Belgrade is an admission that "Kosova" is still dependent."

Who told you that? Or it was one of your "tricks" to foolish us here with misinformations. To my knowledge Kosovo Albanians have never spoken about any compromises when it comes to their independence from Serbia or so-called status of Kosovo.

The only thing that I agree with you is when you write

"It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams." Thank you Zoran for that))) Did you have to try hard to get to that conclusion?)))

The very last thing which put a smile in my face was

"Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?

Let me give you a very simple answer. North and South Korea))))

North Korea and South Korea and also not many many years ago East and West Germany. Kosovo and Albania are ONE nation two states. That is a HUGE compromise from Albanians for the sake of stability and peace in the region.

Today is the 15th anniversary of the referendum in Quebec to separate from Canada.

This time 15 years ago, the rest of Canada went down on it's knees and begged Quebecers not to separate.

Quebecers make up about the same percentage of Canadians than Albanians did of Serbia.

How many Albanian flags flew in Belgrade out of respect for Albanians and by way of asking them not to separate? How many people pushed for Albanian to be an official language of Serbia? How many Serbians travelled to Pristina on their own accord and marched through the city with signs asking "please don't go".

That's what a country which squashed a separatist movement did. That's what Canada and Canadians did.

Watch at learn, Serbia. This is how it's done:

It's too late now, of course, but maybe you can have a look at this and see how it's done, look at yourselves and see how it's not done.

kosovo time is running out - next year, the palestinians will announce their own UDI and 100+ countries, except america, will recognize it. Then america will be forced to compromise on kosovo in order to save israel.

Your homeland is in the U _ _ _ Mountains....
(KOSO, 30 October 2010 20:34)
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And Alb-aliens came from the planet Zog. Either that or they were illegal immigrants and transported to planet Earth and given a new identity (Albanians).

the Serbian president reiterated Serbia's stance that it would never recognize the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo.

I think the best way would be if serbs from serbian government come to Kosovo's parlament and together declare another Independence for Kosovo. That way no need to recognize Kosovo because you'll be one of those who declared independence :)
Anyone agree with me?

Today is the 15th anniversary of the referendum in Quebec to separate from Canada.

This time 15 years ago, the rest of Canada went down on it's knees and begged Quebecers not to separate.

Quebecers make up about the same percentage of Canadians than Albanians did of Serbia.

How many Albanian flags flew in Belgrade out of respect for Albanians and by way of asking them not to separate? How many people pushed for Albanian to be an official language of Serbia? How many Serbians travelled to Pristina on their own accord and marched through the city with signs asking "please don't go".

That's what a country which squashed a separatist movement did. That's what Canada and Canadians did.

Watch at learn, Serbia. This is how it's done:

[link]/


It's too late now, of course, but maybe you can have a look at this and see how it's done, look at yourselves and see how it's not done.
(Danilo)
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Looks like you need to be woken up.

Why would Serbs walk around Belgrade with an Albanian Flag, and NOT a Kosovo one?

Why should Serbia "beg" (as u put it) for the Albanos not to go :( ?

Lastly your research on Canadian politics wasnt concluded. About 75% + Canadians outside of Quebec, mostly in the Western parts, couldnt care less if they seperated or not.

And never once have I seen a France flag waved in Ontario (Ottawa) reffering to Quebec staying apart of Canada.

Your comparasant has no support.

This time 15 years ago, the rest of Canada went down on it's knees and begged Quebecers not to separate.
(Danilo, 30 October 2010 18:39)
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Danilo, when ethnic Albanians resorted to terrorism they lost the right to independence. The world will never reward terrorists and that is the reason recognitions are so few. Watch that video to see how you should have asked for it but it's too late now.

Amer, you are refering to Arabs in the same context as Slavs and that is not what I was refering to.

At this time dialogue is the only way to move forward. Imagine what would be if a just compromise were reached. Instead of Kosovo being recognized by a bit over a third of the world's nations, it would be recognized by perhaps all nations. Further, both Kosovo and Serbia would move into the EU together, opening doors for all citizens of the Balkans. Instead, by insisting that Kosovo is already an independent nation, by lying about the ICJ opinion, Kosovo is left in limbo. Is it better to be in limbo and to be another Cyprus or would it be better to be a fully independent nation? Imagine if Kosovo and Serbia were to fully cooperate as two independent nations how each would grow. It seems like Serbia is ready to find just solutions, solutions that certainly wouldn't include the current borders envisioned by Kosovo's Albanians. However, this solution would be acceptable to everyone and this whole mess would be resolved. That would be nice.

Zoran,

Independence from Serbia is the REALITY. Ask Nikolic and other Serbian polititian whom have been refused entry to Kosovo.
(EA, 30 October 2010 15:14)
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I don't have to ask Nikolic anything. I can see by the number of requests here by ethnic Albanians that "Kosova" is not independent. If it were then why on earth would you need Serbia's recognition? Why are so many of you coming to this Serbian site asking for it? If you were truly independent you would just go about your business and not worry about Serbia. You wouldn't have EULEX there enforcing the rule of law and you wouldn't have the NATO occupation.

Anyway, these negotiations are a risk for Serbia by acknowledging the representitives of "Kosova" (unlawful politicians) but if it will bring a true compromise and peace to the region then so be it. But Kosovo will never be a legitimate and independent state, now that is a fact.

My question now is are those representitives in Pristina capable of compromise? Do they know how to negotiate? I really have my doubts.

It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams. Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 13:51)

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.

You are comparing apples to oranges, Danilo. I think you forgot about that little civil war in Kosovo in the 90's. Did I miss the on in Quebec?

--Since the constitution of its present government, Serbia has spared no effort to arrest Mladić and will continue to do so, Tadić pointed out.

“This is not being done for the European Union or the Hague Tribunal, but for the sake of Serbia itself and its policy of regional reconciliation,” he said at a reception for the participants in the meeting of the ABNA-SE.

Tadić also says that although he personally did not take part in Serbia's political life during the war, he now has the difficult task of visiting the places where war crimes had been committed.

He repeated that he had already visited Srebrenica and that he intended to visit Vukovar soon.

“It is my duty to close the Ratko Mladić page in history,” the president concluded.

Tadić thanked the EU member states for recognizing that Serbia was doing everything to arrest Mladić.--

Same ole lies, same ole crap.

the blgd regimes have done everything possible NOT to arrest mass murderer Mladic. not under kostunica and that fake kostunica constitution (still in effect), not now.

this recent 10 million euro offer is the first development that has something interesting in it. of course it's just a (not so) cheap PR stunt for eu/hague consumption, another diversion. but i personally plan to make use of it. in other words, put yr euros where yr (lying) mouth is. as i have articulated already in some detail. anyone interested in joining us?

as for all this phony-balony "compromising," so long as the blgd regime insists it will NEVER recognize an independent kosova, bla bla bla, it means less than nothing.

but, this proposed idea about traveling to pristina and officially recognizing kosova's independence together with kosovar officials, well, that's an interesting possibility. no more "udi". let's float it at the negotiations, eh?

As for touring the sites of serbia's genocidal aggression, tadic has a long way to go. literally. i suggest he contact some of the victim/survivor groups, then increase his efforts ten-fold. in fact, it would become a full time job, and SHould. kosova alone is chock-full of sites of serbian aggression, massacres and atrocities. you can begin by checking out the OSCE-99 Kosova report. or just contact me, i'll be glad to give you a heads-up.

as for tadic's up-front support for demagogue dodik (who hardly needed it!), it just put the finishing touches to tadic's full-blown hypocrisy. better to stay an up-front nationalist, in the worst way, and just drop the "moderate" pretense.

Can't wait for the talks to begin. we have a lot to say...

ciao!

roberto
frisco

It's time for lasting peace and not false dreams. Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 13:51)

Your homeland is in the U _ _ _ Mountains. Sorry to sound so harsh, it's the truth, I hear everything there is Serbian, even the soil is ripe with Serbian-ism.

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.
(trudsaam, 30 October 2010 21:08)

and I am Princ Lazar, hehehehe
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Open a book for once and you will see. You fanatical Albano sources are not source worthy.

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.
(trudsaam, 30 October 2010 21:08)

sorry trudsaam , that the kind of blind chauvanism that got you guys in trouble in the first place. "Greater Serbia" is only alive in the fantasy realms of Seselj and his kind (yes backward fantasists).

"Albanians already have a homeland, it's called Albania. Who else has two homelands?
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 13:51) "

How many do the Arabs have?

But Tadic ALREADY did just that

he permitted Kosovo to become an independent nation without official protest!!!

Juts read what Tadic did, from today's "The Globe and Mail":
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In exchange, Mr. Tadic has done ...

most extraordinarily, he permitted the breakaway Muslim-majority province of Kosovo, ... a symbolic touchstone for many Serbs,
to become an independent nation without official protest.

... he persuaded poli
ticians to shut up about Kosovo. ..."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/belgrade-comes-in-from-the-cold-almost/article1778821/

Belgrade comes in from the cold, almost


Doug Saunders
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Oct. 29, 2010 6:46PM EDT

(pss, 30 October 2010 15:04)
“NATO has never been involved in the politics of Kosovo” this would be true if it wasn’t for the fact that NATO itself has a policy unit within its ranks headed by Jamie Shea. In theory your statement should be correct, but in practice these issues tend to meld together and you don’t know where one ends and the other finishes. A lot of back room discussions are never revealed to the general public so you will find that NATO does “interfere” with Kosovo’s internal affairs.
Pristina would love to control the north by sending in its special police force to “fix the criminal problem”. However, to do that the Albos would need NATO backup and NATO needs an uprising like “another hole in the head”. The real reason for the reduction in numbers is cost – the EU is having big problems; aging population; the fallout of the GFC – Europe is as enmeshed in the toxic loans business as the US.
……surge in NATO numbers would not need consideration by the UNSC. As long as 1244 is in force their mandate is in effect.”
Any new NATO involvement has to get the Russians on side – this is not a “throw away statement” but 2010 reality. The US could not act unilaterally simply because they are no longer the super power of the 1990s and I don’t know of too many NATO members that are willing to get into a fight over Kosovo again.
The last thing NATO wants is civil unrest and it embroiled right in the middle of that problem. Civil unrest ties their hands and if they were to use force on the Serbs then Serbia would have to come in by supplying arms and “volunteers” followed very closely by the Russians. The situation could spiral out of control and the Europeans, or anyone else for that matter, do not want this scenario to ever occur.
NATO in 2010 is not the same organization as in 1999. Afghanistan has taken the steam and bravado out of that organization. Why are various NATO members pulling out of Afghanistan if it had the same strength as in the past? Once NATO leaves it will be reorganized. Why do you think the Russians are talking about a new security system in Europe?

Agim, is this a relative www.reportingproject.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=503&Itemid=43
Just curious. Anyway, I like what Tadic had to say. He is a voice of reason, makes no threats, or foot-stomping cries of uncompromising babble. I believe he is leading Serbia in the right direction. The old socialist days of isolation are done - no going back. People like Ilic and Nikolic are a dying breed, and they and their followers will one day be gone, and Serbia will be able to breath a little fresher air.

You Serbs are asking to have homeland in Croatia,Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova.
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Yes. Because it is.
(trudsaam, 30 October 2010 21:08)

and I am Princ Lazar, hehehehe

"Amer, you are refering to Arabs in the same context as Slavs and that is not what I was refering to.
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 19:54) "

Unlike Slavs, which have different written languages, Arabs have one (Modern Standard Arabic). The dialects are not all mutually intelligible, but then, neither are the different varieties of Chinese. So, basically, it's one people with multiple states, mostly drawn up by colonial powers. If not for them, or if Nasser had been successful, they would have one country with one UN vote. For similar reasons, the Albanians (also the Romanians) end up with more than one.

I am surprised that there is any thought of open borders. The French have been sending people back to Romania, but also there are a lot of Kosovo Albanians who are happy to live off the state through-out Europe. They too are being sent back whenever they can be.

There are family feuds that drive Albanians away from Kosovo to try to become refugees elsewhere - this is much under-publicised. This is in addition to the well publicised drug and human-trafficing activities that have knock-on effects throughout Europe.

Serbia's arguments of integrating or having open-borders with Kosovo could well turn into the next nightmare for the whole of Europe.

Is Tadic calling the EU's bluff?

Tadic, as usual, talks out of both sides of his mouth. He states that Serbia is not yet ready to join NATO. He must surely understand that NATO is nearly analogous with the EU + USA + Turkey and everyone knows Tadic's only goal is to join the EU. As others writers have stated, the EU is failing economically. Even this week, Germany and France combined to force a vote on restricting future
'bailouts' of EU state economies. It is time for Serbia to move beyond its quest to join the EU. It is time to realize that Serbia, likewise, is in no position to battle NATO to regain total control of Kosovo. The goal should now move to "self-determination" within the various regions of Kosovo so that the Serb north can be reunited with Serbia. The remainder of Kosovo will then, ultimately, unite with Albania. Likewise, Bosnia is a 'failed state.' Republika Srpska should similarly seek self-determination. If RS wants to unite with Serbia and Croat populated areas with Croatia, that is the single path that will lessen ethnic conflict in the Balkans. Surely it is time for Tadic and his cronies to leave office and be replaced by politicians more attuned to the Serbian People's desires.

Unlike Slavs, which have different written languages, Arabs have one (Modern Standard Arabic). The dialects are not all mutually intelligible...
(Amer, 31 October 2010 00:57)
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No Amer, they have been successfully divided. These days the "Arabs" call themselves Egyptians, Lebonese, Syrian or whatever nation they may be in. You could also argue that Serbians have two homelands, Serbia and BiH because Bosnian muslims are Serbians who changed religion during the Ottoman rule. However, you wouldn't mention that.

The simple fact is that many people want just one independent nation (Kurds, Palestinians, Basques) but are denied - however ethnic Albanians want two. The simple fact is the world, representing about 90% of the population has already rejected that idea. Compromise is the only way and independence is out (and so is full control over Kosovo by Serbia) - so more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.

Even with 1244 NATO will seek approval from the Russians before they lift a finger. How many times do you have to be that the US or NATO will NOT act unilaterally, these days they consult and get consensus before getting a cup of tea.

“by Serbia then the armed forces of recognizing countries would become involved through the invitation of a fellow sovereign country and not in context of UNSC 1244”. I would not hang my hat on this one either. As I have said before agreement has to be reached with you know who – this is not 1999.

Kosovo is independent.

the only compromise will be serbia's acceptance of the reality... as illustrated by serbia bowing down at the UN and refrained from making any further legal challenges

no one is blackmailing serbia into doing anything.

choose.

not all the propaganda and lies serb leadership feeds its people will change that reality.

Of course I'm comparing apples and oranges. That's the point. Canada is a civil society that's open to calm debate on all subjects - including it's very existence.

Serbia thinks you can send in the troops and write "Kosovo je Srbija" in it's constitution and call it a day.

There was terrorism in Quebec - British diplomat and trade commissioner was kidnapped and a high-level politician was kidnapped and murdered.

There wasn't a civil war, true, but guess what? That's because Canada listened to the legitimate issues that Quebecers had and made serious changes to the whole country.

How many people here think Albanians even HAVE any issues worth listening to?

Therein lies everything.

Your homeland is in the U _ _ _ Mountains....
(KOSO, 30 October 2010 20:34)
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And Alb-aliens came from the planet Zog. Either that or they were illegal immigrants and transported to planet Earth and given a new identity (Albanians).
(Zoran, 30 October 2010 23:42)
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Send a Serb agent descuised as an Albanian historian and deny that Albanians cant be Illyrian decendants without any facts just hypothetical theories. because its not the the interest of south slavs to respect Albanians territorial integridy since they have settled on Illyrian soil.


Kaplan Resuli(Burovic) was one of them,

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them" - Albert Einstein.

He warned that it would be a catastrophic mistake if anyone in the EU blackmailed Serbia into recognizing Kosovo in exchange for EU membership.

What catastrophe are you planing to cause Mr.Tadic? Is this a threat for other tragedies that Serbia is ready to bring upon the Balkans again? The pro western Serbian democracy is the same as the Milosevician one.

"Lastly your research on Canadian politics wasnt concluded. About 75% + Canadians outside of Quebec, mostly in the Western parts, couldnt care less if they seperated or not."

That may be true today (though I highly doubt the number would be that high in the event of an actual referendum), but you know what's also true? The same number in Quebec wouldn't think of trying to separate again. Why? Because the legitimate concerns of Quebec were addressed and serious changes were made to the whole of Canada. Most of even the fiercest proponents of separatism have renounced their previous position and declared separatism dead.

Again, why? Because Quebecers feel at home in Canada (and passionately so). Imagine the kind of seismic changes that would have to happen here for former KLA to be waving the Serbian flag and be proclaiming "Kosovo je Srbija". It's impossible and it's impossible because Serbia hasn't yet learned some pretty basic lessons in modern life.

Any new NATO involvement has to get the Russians on side – this is not a “throw away statement” but 2010 reality. The US could not act unilaterally simply because they are no longer the super power of the 1990s and I don’t know of too many NATO members that are willing to get into a fight over Kosovo again.
sj,
Any NEW involvement would be under the assumption 1244 was no longer valid. The size of the NATO force has never been dependent on UNSC. Just as NATO makes the decision to reduce troop levels due to security situation, should they see this as a mistake they can just as easily increase troop levels if the security situation warrants it (without any prior meeting of the UNSC).
It is true what you say of behind the scene actions, Considering that the majority of NATO as well as the EU consider Kosovo as an independent nation their leaders will thus act accordingly.
Of course should there be an all out invasion of Kosovo by Serbia then the armed forces of recognizing countries would become involved through the invitation of a fellow sovereign country and not in context of UNSC 1244.

"The simple fact is that many people want just one independent nation (Kurds, Palestinians, Basques) but are denied - however ethnic Albanians want two. "

From the number of red and black flags that still fly in Kosovo, I assume people would be content to simply join Albania. It's the international community that put an end to that idea, forcing the Kosovars to rule the possibility of joining Albania in their constitution. And Tadic says the Albanians got everything and the Serbs, nothing. At least they'll have the two votes at the UN.

And what are the compromises that serbs are ready to do?
None!
So ,no need to spent time and money.we already has losts of meeting and negociations and serbs did not take them seriously,as they will not be serious in these ones!
But just as alwys serbs are a train too late:may be they will accept kosovo independence tomorrow as kosovo-albania union is at the horizon...

Even with 1244 NATO will seek approval from the Russians before they lift a finger. How many times do you have to be that the US or NATO will NOT act unilaterally, these days they consult and get consensus before getting a cup of tea.

“by Serbia then the armed forces of recognizing countries would become involved through the invitation of a fellow sovereign country and not in context of UNSC 1244”. I would not hang my hat on this one either. As I have said before agreement has to be reached with you know who – this is not 1999.
(sj, 31 October 2010 22:21
You have nothing, nada, zip to back up your claims and in reality you are just plain wrong. It cannot get simpler than that.

The simple fact is that many people want just one independent nation (Kurds, Palestinians, Basques) but are denied - however ethnic Albanians want two.
(Zoran, 31 October 2010)

That is wrong. All the Albanians in Albania, Kosova, Macedonia, and Monenegro want ONE united Albania. It's just that the political climate doesn't not allow it.

That is wrong. All the Albanians in Albania, Kosova, Macedonia, and Monenegro want ONE united Albania. It's just that the political climate doesn't not allow it.
(Zoti)
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These fascist ideas died back in WWII.

Pss

I did provide a complete explanation but B92 did a very poor job of editing my response.

In fact it's not even English.

These fascist ideas died back in WWII.
(trudsaam, 2 November 2010)

1. There's nothing fascist about a people wanting to live together. Fascist is subjugating a people against their own will. Fascist is you wanting my land and finding me undesirable because of my different ethnicity or religion.

2. The only reason we don't want to live with any of our neighbours is because in every neighbouring country Albanians are seen as a threat and not as a equal constituency of said countries. I have no problems with Albanians living in Serbia, Montenegro, or Macedonia (not including Greece since they exterminated their Albanian minority) as long as the Albanians are guaranteed the same opportunites and treated as equal citizens. The second you start treating me as a second class citizens is the second I start not wanting to share a country with you.

The second you start treating me as a second class citizens is the second I start not wanting to share a country with you.
(Zoti)
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And this is when ethnic cleansing starts. Thank you for confirming this.

If your inferiority complex does this much damage to you, maybe you should seek help.