Vuk Jeremić said that Serbia was ready for dialogue with Priština and that “it would be better for everybody if the process started as soon as possible”.
I thought Tadic and Jeremic would not shake hands with uneducated terrorists. Serbian politicians have a reputation to leave the room/ meeting when a Kosovo representative is there. What's the rush now?
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina)
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Decide on what? You are in no position to decide anything. Everything has alreaddy been decided for you. Enjoy the ride.
Ian, it's rather rich listening to you. Isn't America a predominantly English nation? Wasn't it the Yanks that fought off their colonial masters the Brits? Didn't the Yanks (former Brits) cleanse America and Canada of the majority of its indigeonous people, leaving the survivors in camps? Didn't Australia do the same (BTW another former British colony)? And I wonder what light you’d consider Britain’s role as a Colonial master around the world. How you feel of the treatment of the natives, and Britain’s role in the slave trade, not to mention America’s.
And I’m not sure what you’re consider to be ‘the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population’. Muslims might not be allowed to put up a mosque near ‘ground-zero’. There is still a major discrepancy between white and black Americans. Can you provide some of this 99% you’re referring to?
Ment. If you can recall, or read up on. America's 5 most south-westerly states were arbitrarily redrawn into American from Mexico. So by your logic, those states now belong to Mexico, and in fact America belongs to the few remaining decedents of the variety of indigeonous nations that predate the English invasion.
Oh, and Ian. I wonder if you'd be so kind as to start up a petition to return your monarch's crown jewels back to India (from where they were stolen).
As for 'hypocrisy', you decry the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet all you can say about the attack on Serbia was that you were against NATO attacking 'certain civilian targets'.
Belgrade was a civilian target, as was Nis, Novi Sad and all of the other cities, towns and villages!
(kate, 29 October 2010 17:40)
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Very well said Kate and I couldn't agree more.
He also said that Belgrade “certainly will not accept any solution that could be understood as recognition of independence and therefore defining Serbia and Kosovo as two sovereign states”.
Well let me ask a simple question to Jeremic. Does he envisage that the talks would be like "two equal partners"?
Without Serbia recongnising Kosovo as independent, no serious talks will take place. I hope and wish I am wrong.
I thought it was funny that you had to prefix your comment with "As an educated American...". You basically tried to make your comment more credible...even though it turned out to be pretty ignorant?
Just so that you're clear on this... there's a difference between voluntary migration (as is the case in the U.S.) and finding yourself in another country because feuding powers decided to draw arbitrary lines on a map as part of their war spoils.
Educated in something you might be, but as far as Balkan history goes, it's obvious you're pretty clueless.
I just responded to one of your comments to another story, Koso, I think you may be the one out of the loop, and living in the clouds. Walter is asking good questions, why is the US helping the Albanians steal land that historically never belonged to them? And please, if I hear the Illyrian crap one more time I will barf. The US made a big mistake in backing the Albanians, and not the Serbs. I understand that their objective was to get rid of Milosevic, which I agreed with, but they lost a great ally in Serbia, and picked up a dependent, sycophantic headache that all the aspirin in the world will not get rid of. And what is it with the dialup remark, can you have a debate without trying to childishly put someone down, that has different opinions than you? Grow up.
Ian, UK [to Walter D]: "As an apparently educated American you should know that the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population. I'm guessing you're not a native American, therefore you're the ancestor of immigrants. You live in the land which was once inhabited by Native Americans until you killed most of them and put them on "reservations". You're comment seems rather hypocritical."
Ian, your comment to Walter D. is similar to the sort of ignorant and xenophobic statement usually reserved for British people when trying to silence them by speaking about colonialism, slavery or what we did to people such as the Aborigines or in African nations.
You are the child of a generation who bravely fought the Nazis side by side with Serbia and yet you solidly support the Kosovo Albanians. Don't you know their role during WWII, not that long ago? They even shocked the SS with their brutality.
But there were some very brave Albanians who stood against this, especially in Albania itself. And I certainly wouldn't judge the current population for what happened. That would be the same as you judging an American for their historical dirty laundry.
How far back are we supposed to go? Is Walter D. responsible for the mass slaughter of native Americans? Or are we for the dreadful treatment of many peoples?
Do you even know what the KLA did to people much more recently? They were just as bad as the Serbian paramilitaries. And yet you are so sure that one side is good and one is bad.
As for 'hypocrisy', you decry the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet all you can say about the attack on Serbia was that you were against NATO attacking 'certain civilian targets'.
Belgrade was a civilian target, as was Nis, Novi Sad and all of the other cities, towns and villages!
Trying to mow down troops from 25,000 feet (thankfully largely unsuccessfully) when they are defending their own land and consisted of 90% conscripts... what was that? Fair game?
It is so typical of people nowadays to jump on supposedly politically correct bandwagons and end up being very politically incorrect.
You didn't address Walter D.'s actual point at all - you just basically said that it was irrelevant because he was an American.
I agree with a large part of what he says – not all, but most. People should integrate into societies in order to move forward. And Kosovo was a land theft using a listed terrorist organisation as a land army to avoid body bags.
By the way, Ian. For someone knocking someone else's level of education, you should put the apostrophe in the right place in "You're comment".
I mean Kosovo was always Serbian and 500 years ago some Albanians got an idea; Lets move to Kosovo,
And now they claim independence. I hope that the talks will begin soon so
this can be Settled with kosovo part of Serbia, If the people in Kosovo don't want to live in Serbia they are free to go elsewhere, but you can't Grab our land without a fight!
We will see in a couple of years if kosovo is still independent! Lets see how long this Frozen conflict will hold on.
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina, 29 October 2010 11:22)
I am sorry to blurr your perception, but Kosovo is in absolutely no position to decide everything. Why do you think it has been this quiet recently? Because Serbia was very pleased with the information and promises they got from Brussels AND Washington. There was also a meeting the other day in Zubin Potok with all parts except Albanians. One microscopic country has recognized Kosovo since the ICJ. Why do you think ?? To the Serbs: You are certainly on the right track. Keep on.
I couldn't imagine America giving in to the needs of ethnic people like this. Why should other countries need to?
(Walter P., 29 October 2010 14:05)
As an apparently educated American you should know that the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population. I'm guessing you're not a native American, therefore you're the ancestor of immigrants. You live in the land which was once inhabited by Native Americans until you killed most of them and put them on "reservations". You're comment seems rather hypocritical.
Ben, maybe there will be no visa liberalization for KiM, because the EU does not want their countries flooded with Albanians seeking economic asylum? The Albanians and Roma have demonstrated that that is exactly what they do, when they get the opportunity. The EU does not want any more foreigners leeching off of their entitlement programs. Best thing for Kosova, is concentrate on improving their own economy, but Christ, where do you start?
As an educated American, I can say that I DO NOT trust these Kosovo Albanians. Not for one second, do I feel the U.S.A is on the right team in this battle. These Albanians started their process of stealing land with help from terrorist organizations. Then, immediately after, attempted the same thing in Macedonia. This is just one of many U.S foreign conflicts I don't agree with. If ethnic peoples are expected to integrate in, why do Albanians get a free pass at this? Why do all of the countries they reside in have to make special arrangements for them? If you live in a country, it's their rules and policies, not your own. Their language not yours. If you don't like it.....leave. I couldn't imagine America giving in to the needs of ethnic people like this. Why should other countries need to?
Jeremic is a fool.His UN policy was overturned by his leader and EU pressure.All he can do is resign if he had any self respect.
The only way forward is a national uprising part of which began on October 10th.It will come.There are still Serbs who cannot live with this humiliation of Tadic's regime.
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina, 29 October 2010 11:22)
Who is Kosova again? If it helps you overcome the pain of these negotiations feel free to think what you like. But don’t forget neither the US nor your Kosova wanted any talks to take place.
(ben, 29 October 2010 11:24)
Serbia has little to no chance of joining the EU simply because they will never meet all the conditions for entry – it’s just Serb politicians being paid by the EU to talk it all up and when one set of conditions are met then it’s another. Let’s face it the EU has run out of money and steam and there is disappointment in the eastern-block countries that are members of this European dream. The average Serb knows all this and is coming to terms with these facts. I always laugh at EU paid propaganda – the EU offers greater markets, opportunities, blah, blah. If you’re a small country how much can you export? It’s all BS – in fact the benefit is more to the established counties in the EU which are looking at cheap labour for their industries.
Economics is the driving force for these talks. The Albos can pretend all they like but its only for domestic consumption as they have as much say in this as I have in changing past history.
Jeremic is a fool.His UN policy was overturned by his leader and EU pressure.All he can do is resign if he had any self respect.
The only way forward is a national uprising part of which began on October 10th.It will come.There are still Serbs who cannot live with this humiliation of Tadic's regime.
(Nik, 29 October 2010 13:03)
Deffinately Serbia needs a big uprising. I love to see one ASAP.
This looks to me that EU has promised Serbia a quick entry if she solves the 'practical issues' with even for Serbia de-facto independent Kosova.
But since the cynicism of the real life goes well beyond the imagination, in this deal the victim Kosova was not calculated at all.
So I guess now Prishitna thinks: what do I get for rushing things? To help Serbia???
Last year when Serbia had her visa-liberalisation (when Kosova was brutally bulled by EU which simply ignored Kosova’s sovereignty and signed deals with Serbia on behalf of Kosova) the promised carrot for Kosova was: in September you will get the road map for your visa-liberalization.
Well now it is October but not the second month from the promise but the 13th and the so called road-map guidance for visa-liberalization for Kosova has not reached Prishtina yet.
It is clear to anyone that EU weights Prishitna and Belgarde very differently. The only condition that EU puts is the fact that Serbia must stop bulling Kosova and forcing her in living in common state- or read Serbia must start to mind her own business.
For the rest Prishtina in EU has less than 1/3 of the weight that Belgrade has. This is just for the sake of seeing things as they are and do not fall on the opium: ‘our friends’. Since our friends mind their own problems as it is rightly so. And we should weight our costs and benefits soberly and stay firmly in defending our interests.
As an educated American, I can say that I DO NOT trust these Kosovo Albanians. Not for one second, do I feel the U.S.A is on the right team in this battle. These Albanians started their process of stealing land with help from terrorist organizations. Then, immediately after, attempted the same thing in Macedonia. This is just one of many U.S foreign conflicts I don't agree with. If ethnic peoples are expected to integrate in, why do Albanians get a free pass at this? Why do all of the countries they reside in have to make special arrangements for them? If you live in a country, it's their rules and policies, not your own. Their language not yours. If you don't like it.....leave. I couldn't imagine America giving in to the needs of ethnic people like this. Why should other countries need to?
I couldn't imagine America giving in to the needs of ethnic people like this. Why should other countries need to?
(Walter P., 29 October 2010 14:05)
As an apparently educated American you should know that the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population. I'm guessing you're not a native American, therefore you're the ancestor of immigrants. You live in the land which was once inhabited by Native Americans until you killed most of them and put them on "reservations". You're comment seems rather hypocritical.
Ian, UK [to Walter D]: "As an apparently educated American you should know that the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population. I'm guessing you're not a native American, therefore you're the ancestor of immigrants. You live in the land which was once inhabited by Native Americans until you killed most of them and put them on "reservations". You're comment seems rather hypocritical."
Ian, your comment to Walter D. is similar to the sort of ignorant and xenophobic statement usually reserved for British people when trying to silence them by speaking about colonialism, slavery or what we did to people such as the Aborigines or in African nations.
You are the child of a generation who bravely fought the Nazis side by side with Serbia and yet you solidly support the Kosovo Albanians. Don't you know their role during WWII, not that long ago? They even shocked the SS with their brutality.
But there were some very brave Albanians who stood against this, especially in Albania itself. And I certainly wouldn't judge the current population for what happened. That would be the same as you judging an American for their historical dirty laundry.
How far back are we supposed to go? Is Walter D. responsible for the mass slaughter of native Americans? Or are we for the dreadful treatment of many peoples?
Do you even know what the KLA did to people much more recently? They were just as bad as the Serbian paramilitaries. And yet you are so sure that one side is good and one is bad.
As for 'hypocrisy', you decry the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet all you can say about the attack on Serbia was that you were against NATO attacking 'certain civilian targets'.
Belgrade was a civilian target, as was Nis, Novi Sad and all of the other cities, towns and villages!
Trying to mow down troops from 25,000 feet (thankfully largely unsuccessfully) when they are defending their own land and consisted of 90% conscripts... what was that? Fair game?
It is so typical of people nowadays to jump on supposedly politically correct bandwagons and end up being very politically incorrect.
You didn't address Walter D.'s actual point at all - you just basically said that it was irrelevant because he was an American.
I agree with a large part of what he says – not all, but most. People should integrate into societies in order to move forward. And Kosovo was a land theft using a listed terrorist organisation as a land army to avoid body bags.
By the way, Ian. For someone knocking someone else's level of education, you should put the apostrophe in the right place in "You're comment".
Jeremic is a fool.His UN policy was overturned by his leader and EU pressure.All he can do is resign if he had any self respect.
The only way forward is a national uprising part of which began on October 10th.It will come.There are still Serbs who cannot live with this humiliation of Tadic's regime.
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina, 29 October 2010 11:22)
Who is Kosova again? If it helps you overcome the pain of these negotiations feel free to think what you like. But don’t forget neither the US nor your Kosova wanted any talks to take place.
(ben, 29 October 2010 11:24)
Serbia has little to no chance of joining the EU simply because they will never meet all the conditions for entry – it’s just Serb politicians being paid by the EU to talk it all up and when one set of conditions are met then it’s another. Let’s face it the EU has run out of money and steam and there is disappointment in the eastern-block countries that are members of this European dream. The average Serb knows all this and is coming to terms with these facts. I always laugh at EU paid propaganda – the EU offers greater markets, opportunities, blah, blah. If you’re a small country how much can you export? It’s all BS – in fact the benefit is more to the established counties in the EU which are looking at cheap labour for their industries.
Economics is the driving force for these talks. The Albos can pretend all they like but its only for domestic consumption as they have as much say in this as I have in changing past history.
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina, 29 October 2010 11:22)
I am sorry to blurr your perception, but Kosovo is in absolutely no position to decide everything. Why do you think it has been this quiet recently? Because Serbia was very pleased with the information and promises they got from Brussels AND Washington. There was also a meeting the other day in Zubin Potok with all parts except Albanians. One microscopic country has recognized Kosovo since the ICJ. Why do you think ?? To the Serbs: You are certainly on the right track. Keep on.
I just responded to one of your comments to another story, Koso, I think you may be the one out of the loop, and living in the clouds. Walter is asking good questions, why is the US helping the Albanians steal land that historically never belonged to them? And please, if I hear the Illyrian crap one more time I will barf. The US made a big mistake in backing the Albanians, and not the Serbs. I understand that their objective was to get rid of Milosevic, which I agreed with, but they lost a great ally in Serbia, and picked up a dependent, sycophantic headache that all the aspirin in the world will not get rid of. And what is it with the dialup remark, can you have a debate without trying to childishly put someone down, that has different opinions than you? Grow up.
This looks to me that EU has promised Serbia a quick entry if she solves the 'practical issues' with even for Serbia de-facto independent Kosova.
But since the cynicism of the real life goes well beyond the imagination, in this deal the victim Kosova was not calculated at all.
So I guess now Prishitna thinks: what do I get for rushing things? To help Serbia???
Last year when Serbia had her visa-liberalisation (when Kosova was brutally bulled by EU which simply ignored Kosova’s sovereignty and signed deals with Serbia on behalf of Kosova) the promised carrot for Kosova was: in September you will get the road map for your visa-liberalization.
Well now it is October but not the second month from the promise but the 13th and the so called road-map guidance for visa-liberalization for Kosova has not reached Prishtina yet.
It is clear to anyone that EU weights Prishitna and Belgarde very differently. The only condition that EU puts is the fact that Serbia must stop bulling Kosova and forcing her in living in common state- or read Serbia must start to mind her own business.
For the rest Prishtina in EU has less than 1/3 of the weight that Belgrade has. This is just for the sake of seeing things as they are and do not fall on the opium: ‘our friends’. Since our friends mind their own problems as it is rightly so. And we should weight our costs and benefits soberly and stay firmly in defending our interests.
Ben, maybe there will be no visa liberalization for KiM, because the EU does not want their countries flooded with Albanians seeking economic asylum? The Albanians and Roma have demonstrated that that is exactly what they do, when they get the opportunity. The EU does not want any more foreigners leeching off of their entitlement programs. Best thing for Kosova, is concentrate on improving their own economy, but Christ, where do you start?
Ian, it's rather rich listening to you. Isn't America a predominantly English nation? Wasn't it the Yanks that fought off their colonial masters the Brits? Didn't the Yanks (former Brits) cleanse America and Canada of the majority of its indigeonous people, leaving the survivors in camps? Didn't Australia do the same (BTW another former British colony)? And I wonder what light you’d consider Britain’s role as a Colonial master around the world. How you feel of the treatment of the natives, and Britain’s role in the slave trade, not to mention America’s.
And I’m not sure what you’re consider to be ‘the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population’. Muslims might not be allowed to put up a mosque near ‘ground-zero’. There is still a major discrepancy between white and black Americans. Can you provide some of this 99% you’re referring to?
Ment. If you can recall, or read up on. America's 5 most south-westerly states were arbitrarily redrawn into American from Mexico. So by your logic, those states now belong to Mexico, and in fact America belongs to the few remaining decedents of the variety of indigeonous nations that predate the English invasion.
Oh, and Ian. I wonder if you'd be so kind as to start up a petition to return your monarch's crown jewels back to India (from where they were stolen).
Jeremic is a fool.His UN policy was overturned by his leader and EU pressure.All he can do is resign if he had any self respect.
The only way forward is a national uprising part of which began on October 10th.It will come.There are still Serbs who cannot live with this humiliation of Tadic's regime.
(Nik, 29 October 2010 13:03)
Deffinately Serbia needs a big uprising. I love to see one ASAP.
I mean Kosovo was always Serbian and 500 years ago some Albanians got an idea; Lets move to Kosovo,
And now they claim independence. I hope that the talks will begin soon so
this can be Settled with kosovo part of Serbia, If the people in Kosovo don't want to live in Serbia they are free to go elsewhere, but you can't Grab our land without a fight!
We will see in a couple of years if kosovo is still independent! Lets see how long this Frozen conflict will hold on.
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina)
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Decide on what? You are in no position to decide anything. Everything has alreaddy been decided for you. Enjoy the ride.
As for 'hypocrisy', you decry the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet all you can say about the attack on Serbia was that you were against NATO attacking 'certain civilian targets'.
Belgrade was a civilian target, as was Nis, Novi Sad and all of the other cities, towns and villages!
(kate, 29 October 2010 17:40)
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Very well said Kate and I couldn't agree more.
I thought it was funny that you had to prefix your comment with "As an educated American...". You basically tried to make your comment more credible...even though it turned out to be pretty ignorant?
Just so that you're clear on this... there's a difference between voluntary migration (as is the case in the U.S.) and finding yourself in another country because feuding powers decided to draw arbitrary lines on a map as part of their war spoils.
Educated in something you might be, but as far as Balkan history goes, it's obvious you're pretty clueless.
He also said that Belgrade “certainly will not accept any solution that could be understood as recognition of independence and therefore defining Serbia and Kosovo as two sovereign states”.
Well let me ask a simple question to Jeremic. Does he envisage that the talks would be like "two equal partners"?
Without Serbia recongnising Kosovo as independent, no serious talks will take place. I hope and wish I am wrong.
I thought Tadic and Jeremic would not shake hands with uneducated terrorists. Serbian politicians have a reputation to leave the room/ meeting when a Kosovo representative is there. What's the rush now?
As an educated American, I can say that I DO NOT trust these Kosovo Albanians. Not for one second, do I feel the U.S.A is on the right team in this battle. These Albanians started their process of stealing land with help from terrorist organizations. Then, immediately after, attempted the same thing in Macedonia. This is just one of many U.S foreign conflicts I don't agree with. If ethnic peoples are expected to integrate in, why do Albanians get a free pass at this? Why do all of the countries they reside in have to make special arrangements for them? If you live in a country, it's their rules and policies, not your own. Their language not yours. If you don't like it.....leave. I couldn't imagine America giving in to the needs of ethnic people like this. Why should other countries need to?
I couldn't imagine America giving in to the needs of ethnic people like this. Why should other countries need to?
(Walter P., 29 October 2010 14:05)
As an apparently educated American you should know that the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population. I'm guessing you're not a native American, therefore you're the ancestor of immigrants. You live in the land which was once inhabited by Native Americans until you killed most of them and put them on "reservations". You're comment seems rather hypocritical.
This looks to me that EU has promised Serbia a quick entry if she solves the 'practical issues' with even for Serbia de-facto independent Kosova.
But since the cynicism of the real life goes well beyond the imagination, in this deal the victim Kosova was not calculated at all.
So I guess now Prishitna thinks: what do I get for rushing things? To help Serbia???
Last year when Serbia had her visa-liberalisation (when Kosova was brutally bulled by EU which simply ignored Kosova’s sovereignty and signed deals with Serbia on behalf of Kosova) the promised carrot for Kosova was: in September you will get the road map for your visa-liberalization.
Well now it is October but not the second month from the promise but the 13th and the so called road-map guidance for visa-liberalization for Kosova has not reached Prishtina yet.
It is clear to anyone that EU weights Prishitna and Belgarde very differently. The only condition that EU puts is the fact that Serbia must stop bulling Kosova and forcing her in living in common state- or read Serbia must start to mind her own business.
For the rest Prishtina in EU has less than 1/3 of the weight that Belgrade has. This is just for the sake of seeing things as they are and do not fall on the opium: ‘our friends’. Since our friends mind their own problems as it is rightly so. And we should weight our costs and benefits soberly and stay firmly in defending our interests.
Jeremic is a fool.His UN policy was overturned by his leader and EU pressure.All he can do is resign if he had any self respect.
The only way forward is a national uprising part of which began on October 10th.It will come.There are still Serbs who cannot live with this humiliation of Tadic's regime.
(Nik, 29 October 2010 13:03)
Deffinately Serbia needs a big uprising. I love to see one ASAP.
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina, 29 October 2010 11:22)
Who is Kosova again? If it helps you overcome the pain of these negotiations feel free to think what you like. But don’t forget neither the US nor your Kosova wanted any talks to take place.
(ben, 29 October 2010 11:24)
Serbia has little to no chance of joining the EU simply because they will never meet all the conditions for entry – it’s just Serb politicians being paid by the EU to talk it all up and when one set of conditions are met then it’s another. Let’s face it the EU has run out of money and steam and there is disappointment in the eastern-block countries that are members of this European dream. The average Serb knows all this and is coming to terms with these facts. I always laugh at EU paid propaganda – the EU offers greater markets, opportunities, blah, blah. If you’re a small country how much can you export? It’s all BS – in fact the benefit is more to the established counties in the EU which are looking at cheap labour for their industries.
Economics is the driving force for these talks. The Albos can pretend all they like but its only for domestic consumption as they have as much say in this as I have in changing past history.
He also said that Belgrade “certainly will not accept any solution that could be understood as recognition of independence and therefore defining Serbia and Kosovo as two sovereign states”.
Well let me ask a simple question to Jeremic. Does he envisage that the talks would be like "two equal partners"?
Without Serbia recongnising Kosovo as independent, no serious talks will take place. I hope and wish I am wrong.
Jeremic is a fool.His UN policy was overturned by his leader and EU pressure.All he can do is resign if he had any self respect.
The only way forward is a national uprising part of which began on October 10th.It will come.There are still Serbs who cannot live with this humiliation of Tadic's regime.
I thought it was funny that you had to prefix your comment with "As an educated American...". You basically tried to make your comment more credible...even though it turned out to be pretty ignorant?
Just so that you're clear on this... there's a difference between voluntary migration (as is the case in the U.S.) and finding yourself in another country because feuding powers decided to draw arbitrary lines on a map as part of their war spoils.
Educated in something you might be, but as far as Balkan history goes, it's obvious you're pretty clueless.
I mean Kosovo was always Serbian and 500 years ago some Albanians got an idea; Lets move to Kosovo,
And now they claim independence. I hope that the talks will begin soon so
this can be Settled with kosovo part of Serbia, If the people in Kosovo don't want to live in Serbia they are free to go elsewhere, but you can't Grab our land without a fight!
We will see in a couple of years if kosovo is still independent! Lets see how long this Frozen conflict will hold on.
I just responded to one of your comments to another story, Koso, I think you may be the one out of the loop, and living in the clouds. Walter is asking good questions, why is the US helping the Albanians steal land that historically never belonged to them? And please, if I hear the Illyrian crap one more time I will barf. The US made a big mistake in backing the Albanians, and not the Serbs. I understand that their objective was to get rid of Milosevic, which I agreed with, but they lost a great ally in Serbia, and picked up a dependent, sycophantic headache that all the aspirin in the world will not get rid of. And what is it with the dialup remark, can you have a debate without trying to childishly put someone down, that has different opinions than you? Grow up.
Ben, maybe there will be no visa liberalization for KiM, because the EU does not want their countries flooded with Albanians seeking economic asylum? The Albanians and Roma have demonstrated that that is exactly what they do, when they get the opportunity. The EU does not want any more foreigners leeching off of their entitlement programs. Best thing for Kosova, is concentrate on improving their own economy, but Christ, where do you start?
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina, 29 October 2010 11:22)
I am sorry to blurr your perception, but Kosovo is in absolutely no position to decide everything. Why do you think it has been this quiet recently? Because Serbia was very pleased with the information and promises they got from Brussels AND Washington. There was also a meeting the other day in Zubin Potok with all parts except Albanians. One microscopic country has recognized Kosovo since the ICJ. Why do you think ?? To the Serbs: You are certainly on the right track. Keep on.
Ian, UK [to Walter D]: "As an apparently educated American you should know that the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population. I'm guessing you're not a native American, therefore you're the ancestor of immigrants. You live in the land which was once inhabited by Native Americans until you killed most of them and put them on "reservations". You're comment seems rather hypocritical."
Ian, your comment to Walter D. is similar to the sort of ignorant and xenophobic statement usually reserved for British people when trying to silence them by speaking about colonialism, slavery or what we did to people such as the Aborigines or in African nations.
You are the child of a generation who bravely fought the Nazis side by side with Serbia and yet you solidly support the Kosovo Albanians. Don't you know their role during WWII, not that long ago? They even shocked the SS with their brutality.
But there were some very brave Albanians who stood against this, especially in Albania itself. And I certainly wouldn't judge the current population for what happened. That would be the same as you judging an American for their historical dirty laundry.
How far back are we supposed to go? Is Walter D. responsible for the mass slaughter of native Americans? Or are we for the dreadful treatment of many peoples?
Do you even know what the KLA did to people much more recently? They were just as bad as the Serbian paramilitaries. And yet you are so sure that one side is good and one is bad.
As for 'hypocrisy', you decry the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet all you can say about the attack on Serbia was that you were against NATO attacking 'certain civilian targets'.
Belgrade was a civilian target, as was Nis, Novi Sad and all of the other cities, towns and villages!
Trying to mow down troops from 25,000 feet (thankfully largely unsuccessfully) when they are defending their own land and consisted of 90% conscripts... what was that? Fair game?
It is so typical of people nowadays to jump on supposedly politically correct bandwagons and end up being very politically incorrect.
You didn't address Walter D.'s actual point at all - you just basically said that it was irrelevant because he was an American.
I agree with a large part of what he says – not all, but most. People should integrate into societies in order to move forward. And Kosovo was a land theft using a listed terrorist organisation as a land army to avoid body bags.
By the way, Ian. For someone knocking someone else's level of education, you should put the apostrophe in the right place in "You're comment".
As for 'hypocrisy', you decry the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet all you can say about the attack on Serbia was that you were against NATO attacking 'certain civilian targets'.
Belgrade was a civilian target, as was Nis, Novi Sad and all of the other cities, towns and villages!
(kate, 29 October 2010 17:40)
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Very well said Kate and I couldn't agree more.
Ian, it's rather rich listening to you. Isn't America a predominantly English nation? Wasn't it the Yanks that fought off their colonial masters the Brits? Didn't the Yanks (former Brits) cleanse America and Canada of the majority of its indigeonous people, leaving the survivors in camps? Didn't Australia do the same (BTW another former British colony)? And I wonder what light you’d consider Britain’s role as a Colonial master around the world. How you feel of the treatment of the natives, and Britain’s role in the slave trade, not to mention America’s.
And I’m not sure what you’re consider to be ‘the US has given in to the ethnic needs of over 99% of it's population’. Muslims might not be allowed to put up a mosque near ‘ground-zero’. There is still a major discrepancy between white and black Americans. Can you provide some of this 99% you’re referring to?
Ment. If you can recall, or read up on. America's 5 most south-westerly states were arbitrarily redrawn into American from Mexico. So by your logic, those states now belong to Mexico, and in fact America belongs to the few remaining decedents of the variety of indigeonous nations that predate the English invasion.
Oh, and Ian. I wonder if you'd be so kind as to start up a petition to return your monarch's crown jewels back to India (from where they were stolen).
Kosova will decide when it is time for these negociations.
(Prishtina)
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Decide on what? You are in no position to decide anything. Everything has alreaddy been decided for you. Enjoy the ride.
I thought Tadic and Jeremic would not shake hands with uneducated terrorists. Serbian politicians have a reputation to leave the room/ meeting when a Kosovo representative is there. What's the rush now?
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