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Wednesday, 27.10.2010.

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U.S. ignores UN vote to lift Cuba embargo

Once again the UN has taken a symbolic vote urging the United States to lift its 48-year long economic embargo against communist-run Cuba.

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JohnnyC

pre 13 godina

I read an article that speculated that in some areas, particularly medicine, lifting the embargo will actually hurt Cuba as low paid doctors depart Cuba to work in higher paying health industries elsewhere.

Ment

pre 13 godina

Mike
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I think in your comment you're overestimating the importance of Cuba to the U.S. In my opinion, Cuba has everything to gain from better relations with the U.S., while for the U.S. the effects would be negligible. Cuba after all is just a small island.

As far as Venezuela goes, Chavez's glory days are past him. From what I've read lately, Venezuela is already starting to feel the negative effects of this "bolivarian revolution" of his.

Venezuela is in no position to make Cuba such a trouble spot for us. It will simply ensure that both these countries continue sinking together.

I personally could care less.

JohnnyC

pre 13 godina

"While I'm not 100% sure on this, I think it's a fair assumption to make that between now and the next century, Castro is actually going to die."

He certainly does seem to hang around forever.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"I don't see a reason why the U.S. should lift the embargo." (Ment)

-- While I'm not 100% sure on this, I think it's a fair assumption to make that between now and the next century, Castro is actually going to die.

Now when that hypothetical momnent arrives, there will undoubtedly be some effort to "transition" the government from Communist to something else: liberal democracy, bureaucratic authoritarianism, kleptocracy, whatever.

But I think you and I can agree that when that moment comes, two political players will be making a mad dash to Havanna: Washington and Caracas. Knowing the high probability that Castro might actually die, it's probably a strategic move for Washington to set itself up for a diplomatic advantage instead of waiting for the moment to come and then tripping over itself in response to Chavez's already likely plans for facilitating a transitioning government that remains at odds with Washington. Sending half of Miami back as US "emissaries" isn't going to work.

Mark

pre 13 godina

@ mark

So why are they occupying Guantanamo Bay?
(Ratko, 27 October 2010 19:54)

Because they can. The same reason Castro mistreats his people against their will. He can do that and he gets away with it. US can take Guantanamo and even more if it really wants because it can. Even closer to home.

Amer

pre 13 godina

After WWII, the most important economic "favor" the US did for Germany and Japan under the Marshall Plan was not financial grants (which I think were relatively modest), but access to US markets. Their industry was able to ramp up faster than they were able to develop domestic markets for their products, so the US essentially said, "go back to work and we'll buy whatever you produce." What Castro wants is a similar favor - to allow US tourists in, with their dollars, in order to bolster his crumbling economy, and thus strengthen the power of the Communist Party over the country. Why would the US want to do this?

If the Cubans want to allow the exiles back, to give them back the businesses and homes they confiscated, let the dissidents out of jail - well, then there would be something to talk about. As it is, Cuba is asking for a favor that it describes as a right.

Ment

pre 13 godina

Castro agreed to allow Soviet nuclear missiles to be deployed in the U.S. In doing so, he almost triggered a nuclear confrontation between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

In the 80-s, Castro opened up prisons and many of the criminals there found their way to the United States.

Castro and his cronies are still in power today.

I don't see a reason why the U.S. should lift the embargo.

Mark

pre 13 godina

So you guys call the US an empire and don't want them to get involved in other countries business but at the same time you blame the US for not helping the poor people of Cuba. Castro want to keep his people poor so let it be until people rebel. What country US trades with, is US and only US decision. Cuba doesn't like to be told what to do and so does the US.

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

President Obama’s administration has taken some steps to lessen hostility with Havana, but sees the trade embargo as leverage to promote human rights in Cuba.
B92

Why not then taking the same steps to promote human rights in Colombia,Guatemala or El Salvador to name a few?

I guess the US was pretty happy with the human rights in Cuba when the country was run as a brothel by the mafia
during the Batista days.

I think the US was expecting Cuba to fall into anarchy after the collapse of communism in Eastern countries.Since that hasn't happened economic sanctions will continue and the only thing connecting US and Cuba will be the prison in Guatanamo Bay.

Patrik

pre 13 godina

"As US voters go to the polls, the Cuban question continues to be a thorn in the Obama administration’s side."

Of course it does. The majority of Americans do not support the embargo and have not for many years. This is a politically motivated decision to appease a small minority in south Florida. Come on Obama, show some stones for a change and do what is morally right!

The Swis

pre 13 godina

President Obama’s administration has taken some steps to lessen hostility with Havana, but sees the trade embargo as leverage to promote human rights in Cuba.

Yeah, the promotion of human rights, same as those in Afganistan and Irak

winston

pre 13 godina

"U.S. ignores UN vote to lift Cuba embargo" - no surprise here, the US does what it wants, when it wants. It has started several illegal wars, without UNSC approval, disrespecting the lifting of an embargo is small change for Empire. Besides, it's only the poor Cuban people that will suffer, believe me, Castro and the people around him, won't.

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

President Obama’s administration has taken some steps to lessen hostility with Havana, but sees the trade embargo as leverage to promote human rights in Cuba.
B92

Why not then taking the same steps to promote human rights in Colombia,Guatemala or El Salvador to name a few?

I guess the US was pretty happy with the human rights in Cuba when the country was run as a brothel by the mafia
during the Batista days.

I think the US was expecting Cuba to fall into anarchy after the collapse of communism in Eastern countries.Since that hasn't happened economic sanctions will continue and the only thing connecting US and Cuba will be the prison in Guatanamo Bay.

winston

pre 13 godina

"U.S. ignores UN vote to lift Cuba embargo" - no surprise here, the US does what it wants, when it wants. It has started several illegal wars, without UNSC approval, disrespecting the lifting of an embargo is small change for Empire. Besides, it's only the poor Cuban people that will suffer, believe me, Castro and the people around him, won't.

Patrik

pre 13 godina

"As US voters go to the polls, the Cuban question continues to be a thorn in the Obama administration’s side."

Of course it does. The majority of Americans do not support the embargo and have not for many years. This is a politically motivated decision to appease a small minority in south Florida. Come on Obama, show some stones for a change and do what is morally right!

The Swis

pre 13 godina

President Obama’s administration has taken some steps to lessen hostility with Havana, but sees the trade embargo as leverage to promote human rights in Cuba.

Yeah, the promotion of human rights, same as those in Afganistan and Irak

Mark

pre 13 godina

So you guys call the US an empire and don't want them to get involved in other countries business but at the same time you blame the US for not helping the poor people of Cuba. Castro want to keep his people poor so let it be until people rebel. What country US trades with, is US and only US decision. Cuba doesn't like to be told what to do and so does the US.

Ment

pre 13 godina

Castro agreed to allow Soviet nuclear missiles to be deployed in the U.S. In doing so, he almost triggered a nuclear confrontation between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

In the 80-s, Castro opened up prisons and many of the criminals there found their way to the United States.

Castro and his cronies are still in power today.

I don't see a reason why the U.S. should lift the embargo.

Amer

pre 13 godina

After WWII, the most important economic "favor" the US did for Germany and Japan under the Marshall Plan was not financial grants (which I think were relatively modest), but access to US markets. Their industry was able to ramp up faster than they were able to develop domestic markets for their products, so the US essentially said, "go back to work and we'll buy whatever you produce." What Castro wants is a similar favor - to allow US tourists in, with their dollars, in order to bolster his crumbling economy, and thus strengthen the power of the Communist Party over the country. Why would the US want to do this?

If the Cubans want to allow the exiles back, to give them back the businesses and homes they confiscated, let the dissidents out of jail - well, then there would be something to talk about. As it is, Cuba is asking for a favor that it describes as a right.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"I don't see a reason why the U.S. should lift the embargo." (Ment)

-- While I'm not 100% sure on this, I think it's a fair assumption to make that between now and the next century, Castro is actually going to die.

Now when that hypothetical momnent arrives, there will undoubtedly be some effort to "transition" the government from Communist to something else: liberal democracy, bureaucratic authoritarianism, kleptocracy, whatever.

But I think you and I can agree that when that moment comes, two political players will be making a mad dash to Havanna: Washington and Caracas. Knowing the high probability that Castro might actually die, it's probably a strategic move for Washington to set itself up for a diplomatic advantage instead of waiting for the moment to come and then tripping over itself in response to Chavez's already likely plans for facilitating a transitioning government that remains at odds with Washington. Sending half of Miami back as US "emissaries" isn't going to work.

Mark

pre 13 godina

@ mark

So why are they occupying Guantanamo Bay?
(Ratko, 27 October 2010 19:54)

Because they can. The same reason Castro mistreats his people against their will. He can do that and he gets away with it. US can take Guantanamo and even more if it really wants because it can. Even closer to home.

JohnnyC

pre 13 godina

"While I'm not 100% sure on this, I think it's a fair assumption to make that between now and the next century, Castro is actually going to die."

He certainly does seem to hang around forever.

Ment

pre 13 godina

Mike
====

I think in your comment you're overestimating the importance of Cuba to the U.S. In my opinion, Cuba has everything to gain from better relations with the U.S., while for the U.S. the effects would be negligible. Cuba after all is just a small island.

As far as Venezuela goes, Chavez's glory days are past him. From what I've read lately, Venezuela is already starting to feel the negative effects of this "bolivarian revolution" of his.

Venezuela is in no position to make Cuba such a trouble spot for us. It will simply ensure that both these countries continue sinking together.

I personally could care less.

JohnnyC

pre 13 godina

I read an article that speculated that in some areas, particularly medicine, lifting the embargo will actually hurt Cuba as low paid doctors depart Cuba to work in higher paying health industries elsewhere.

Ment

pre 13 godina

Castro agreed to allow Soviet nuclear missiles to be deployed in the U.S. In doing so, he almost triggered a nuclear confrontation between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

In the 80-s, Castro opened up prisons and many of the criminals there found their way to the United States.

Castro and his cronies are still in power today.

I don't see a reason why the U.S. should lift the embargo.

Mark

pre 13 godina

So you guys call the US an empire and don't want them to get involved in other countries business but at the same time you blame the US for not helping the poor people of Cuba. Castro want to keep his people poor so let it be until people rebel. What country US trades with, is US and only US decision. Cuba doesn't like to be told what to do and so does the US.

Patrik

pre 13 godina

"As US voters go to the polls, the Cuban question continues to be a thorn in the Obama administration’s side."

Of course it does. The majority of Americans do not support the embargo and have not for many years. This is a politically motivated decision to appease a small minority in south Florida. Come on Obama, show some stones for a change and do what is morally right!

Amer

pre 13 godina

After WWII, the most important economic "favor" the US did for Germany and Japan under the Marshall Plan was not financial grants (which I think were relatively modest), but access to US markets. Their industry was able to ramp up faster than they were able to develop domestic markets for their products, so the US essentially said, "go back to work and we'll buy whatever you produce." What Castro wants is a similar favor - to allow US tourists in, with their dollars, in order to bolster his crumbling economy, and thus strengthen the power of the Communist Party over the country. Why would the US want to do this?

If the Cubans want to allow the exiles back, to give them back the businesses and homes they confiscated, let the dissidents out of jail - well, then there would be something to talk about. As it is, Cuba is asking for a favor that it describes as a right.

Mark

pre 13 godina

@ mark

So why are they occupying Guantanamo Bay?
(Ratko, 27 October 2010 19:54)

Because they can. The same reason Castro mistreats his people against their will. He can do that and he gets away with it. US can take Guantanamo and even more if it really wants because it can. Even closer to home.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"I don't see a reason why the U.S. should lift the embargo." (Ment)

-- While I'm not 100% sure on this, I think it's a fair assumption to make that between now and the next century, Castro is actually going to die.

Now when that hypothetical momnent arrives, there will undoubtedly be some effort to "transition" the government from Communist to something else: liberal democracy, bureaucratic authoritarianism, kleptocracy, whatever.

But I think you and I can agree that when that moment comes, two political players will be making a mad dash to Havanna: Washington and Caracas. Knowing the high probability that Castro might actually die, it's probably a strategic move for Washington to set itself up for a diplomatic advantage instead of waiting for the moment to come and then tripping over itself in response to Chavez's already likely plans for facilitating a transitioning government that remains at odds with Washington. Sending half of Miami back as US "emissaries" isn't going to work.

winston

pre 13 godina

"U.S. ignores UN vote to lift Cuba embargo" - no surprise here, the US does what it wants, when it wants. It has started several illegal wars, without UNSC approval, disrespecting the lifting of an embargo is small change for Empire. Besides, it's only the poor Cuban people that will suffer, believe me, Castro and the people around him, won't.

The Swis

pre 13 godina

President Obama’s administration has taken some steps to lessen hostility with Havana, but sees the trade embargo as leverage to promote human rights in Cuba.

Yeah, the promotion of human rights, same as those in Afganistan and Irak

Leonidas

pre 13 godina

President Obama’s administration has taken some steps to lessen hostility with Havana, but sees the trade embargo as leverage to promote human rights in Cuba.
B92

Why not then taking the same steps to promote human rights in Colombia,Guatemala or El Salvador to name a few?

I guess the US was pretty happy with the human rights in Cuba when the country was run as a brothel by the mafia
during the Batista days.

I think the US was expecting Cuba to fall into anarchy after the collapse of communism in Eastern countries.Since that hasn't happened economic sanctions will continue and the only thing connecting US and Cuba will be the prison in Guatanamo Bay.

JohnnyC

pre 13 godina

"While I'm not 100% sure on this, I think it's a fair assumption to make that between now and the next century, Castro is actually going to die."

He certainly does seem to hang around forever.

Ment

pre 13 godina

Mike
====

I think in your comment you're overestimating the importance of Cuba to the U.S. In my opinion, Cuba has everything to gain from better relations with the U.S., while for the U.S. the effects would be negligible. Cuba after all is just a small island.

As far as Venezuela goes, Chavez's glory days are past him. From what I've read lately, Venezuela is already starting to feel the negative effects of this "bolivarian revolution" of his.

Venezuela is in no position to make Cuba such a trouble spot for us. It will simply ensure that both these countries continue sinking together.

I personally could care less.

JohnnyC

pre 13 godina

I read an article that speculated that in some areas, particularly medicine, lifting the embargo will actually hurt Cuba as low paid doctors depart Cuba to work in higher paying health industries elsewhere.