Tadić: EU membership is strategic goal

We should inspire W Europeans to reclaim their culture rather than copying the failed ideology they sold out to
(highduke, 26 October 2010 16:03)
YOU should inspre???
ok so far your history of comments has included vitriloic rants at :

gays
anyone who doesnt hate gays
The US.
The UK.
Croatians.
Albanians.
Kosovars.
the "West".
the EU.
the EC.
President Tadic.
anybody who supports the policies of your president.
the proverbial "they" you keep refering to but have yet to adequally tell us who exactly "they" are.
Bosnians
all muslims in general
The Vatican
Catholic priests
Montenegrins (true Montinegrins who voted for independence)
Turks
liberals
neo cons
conservatives
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Madeline Albright
Tony Blair
George Bush
the ICTY
and the list goes on.....

and yet you have glorified the likes of Milosevic ,Seselj ,
Arkan , Mladic , Karadzic , the failed Soviet coup plotters (that was a doozy by the way!!) , hooligans and right wing nationalist extremists.

Please enlighten us , what on earth would we possibly find inspirational about you???

«Ratko Mladić is not an ordinary fugitive, but an experienced soldier with considerable war experience»

Come on! Give me a break. Mladic fought one war and he used it to take his revenge on innocent people for what their ancestors have done. I dont call such men soldiers but criminals.

Yeah but sometimes the people dont want your changes Mr. Tadic. Better get us into the EU on fair terms that accept local cultural norms & ideals Mr. Tadic. We should inspire W Europeans to reclaim their culture rather than copying the failed ideology they sold out to

Johny

You underestimate Serbia.

Slovenia is small and while it more-or-less started the break up of Yugoslavia, it did not have to suffer the consequences the way Serbian people and the people of the other surrounding countries did. Slovenia was also the first to cuddle up to its other neighbours and get into the EU. It is ahead for a little while.

Greece has had a long period of milking the Euro, but that has much reduced - soon that may well totally end with an exit from the Euro and the reentry of a very weak drachma. Serbia has its own currency and since the end of the incredible inflation of the sanctions era, it has actually managed things quite well considering the circumstances the country has been through.

Serbia has had to face the realities of its past in a way that Croatia still seems to struggle with. Serbia was on the 'good side' at the end of ww2 and Croatia wasn't. There is no denying that Serbia has had a very bad episode and has been set back a long way, but in general I suspect that Serbs in their hearts are returning to the 'good side' more quickly. Being droll…..Serbia belongs in the EU in the way Croatia wants to belong to Germany (!).

The driving force for most in Serbia is economic - the bread will be buttered best within the EU. Tadic is on the right path.

Be sure. Serbia will toot the horn - every louder.

"Tadić: EU membership is strategic goal"

Somehow I have a hunch Tadic is way off. Methinks EU membership is not a strategic goal, more like a strategic error.

"Objectively speaking, Serbia is already the key country in the region of Southeast Europe, Tadić underscored. "

-- Talk about tooting your own horn. If you were truly objective you would have clearly stated that Greece is more of key country than Serbia and that is by a mile; not by inches. Croatia is more key to the region as well. Then Slovenia. Serbia is third tier when it comes to key countries in the region.

johny, much though you might wish it otherwise, Serbia is very much a first tier player in the Balkan region. If you want proof, look at the number of international companies - from East as well as West - who are already running their South-East European operations from Belgrade, even without any clear route to the EU.

@ truthiness - I never praised Arkan. Second, your emotional cyber-stalking is a little creepy, prozac may help your obsessive behavior. Lastly, I told you to watch Taras Bulba, esp pt 11. If that sentiment ain't inspirational to Westerners, then we have nothing to offer them by our example of self-preservation threatened by most of the groups ppl & orgs you listed but we wont stop

"Slovenia is small and while it more-or-less started the break up of Yugoslavia, it did not have to suffer the consequences the way Serbian people and the people of the other surrounding countries did. Slovenia was also the first to cuddle up to its other neighbours and get into the EU. It is ahead for a little while."

Slovenia was the first of the ex-Yugo countries to enter the EU, true, but it has already out-distanced countries that have been members much longer in certain respects (see the rankings in the Transparency International report http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/in_detail).

A low level of corruption is important economically, because it helps to attract FDI, and allows all investments to be more profitable.

It's not the length of time it has been in the EU that's important in Slovenia's success, I suggest, but the length of time it was in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Empires are out of fashion these days, but the K&K, especially in the person of Franz Josef, provided an example of a relatively efficient and hard-working bureaucracy.

johny, much though you might wish it otherwise, Serbia is very much a first tier player in the Balkan region. If you want proof, look at the number of international companies - from East as well as West - who are already running their South-East European operations from Belgrade, even without any clear route to the EU.
(Dave, 27 October 2010 17:09)

That number is bigger in Greece.
Also to the other poster. While Greece is in a bad economical shape, Serbia is in a worst shape.
Croatia unlike Serbia is ahead politically. It has the support that Serbia doesn't and wishes.

While Serbia belongs in the EU; that doesn't put Serbia in any better position than the countries mentioned above or make it any more important than those. I do understand that from time to time you need to stroke your own egoes but one has to be realistic. No more nonsense like "Tigers of the Balkans". That is communist nonsense propaganda. Sure the has been progress, but progressing doesn't necessarily mean that those who are indeed in a better position than you have regressed so much that you've overcome them. That is nonsense, seeing that it was only yesterday that you were allowed the chance to talk about the EU application. Others have progressed much faster, and are in a better political, and economical shape. Don't kid yourselves; you ain't the chosen ones.

I think you're the one who are kidding yourself. There is no such thing as a "Balkan Tiger" but the fact remains that Serbia, and in particular Belgrade, is inexorably returning to its position as the commercial hub of the the area many firms now describe as the Western Balkans (ex-YU plus Albania). It makes perfect sense in logistical terms - the only obvious competitors, Budapest and Athens, sit ofn the edge of the region rather than in it and are culturally and linguistically separate.

As for Croatia being "ahead politically", I'm not altogether sure what that means, but I'm prepared to speculate tat it doesn't put bread on many tables.

I think you're the one who are kidding yourself. There is no such thing as a "Balkan Tiger" but the fact remains that Serbia, and in particular Belgrade, is inexorably returning to its position as the commercial hub of the the area many firms now describe as the Western Balkans (ex-YU plus Albania). It makes perfect sense in logistical terms - the only obvious competitors, Budapest and Athens, sit ofn the edge of the region rather than in it and are culturally and linguistically separate.

As for Croatia being "ahead politically", I'm not altogether sure what that means, but I'm prepared to speculate tat it doesn't put bread on many tables.

Yeah but sometimes the people dont want your changes Mr. Tadic. Better get us into the EU on fair terms that accept local cultural norms & ideals Mr. Tadic. We should inspire W Europeans to reclaim their culture rather than copying the failed ideology they sold out to

«Ratko Mladić is not an ordinary fugitive, but an experienced soldier with considerable war experience»

Come on! Give me a break. Mladic fought one war and he used it to take his revenge on innocent people for what their ancestors have done. I dont call such men soldiers but criminals.

"Tadić: EU membership is strategic goal"

Somehow I have a hunch Tadic is way off. Methinks EU membership is not a strategic goal, more like a strategic error.

"Objectively speaking, Serbia is already the key country in the region of Southeast Europe, Tadić underscored. "

-- Talk about tooting your own horn. If you were truly objective you would have clearly stated that Greece is more of key country than Serbia and that is by a mile; not by inches. Croatia is more key to the region as well. Then Slovenia. Serbia is third tier when it comes to key countries in the region.

@ truthiness - I never praised Arkan. Second, your emotional cyber-stalking is a little creepy, prozac may help your obsessive behavior. Lastly, I told you to watch Taras Bulba, esp pt 11. If that sentiment ain't inspirational to Westerners, then we have nothing to offer them by our example of self-preservation threatened by most of the groups ppl & orgs you listed but we wont stop

We should inspire W Europeans to reclaim their culture rather than copying the failed ideology they sold out to
(highduke, 26 October 2010 16:03)
YOU should inspre???
ok so far your history of comments has included vitriloic rants at :

gays
anyone who doesnt hate gays
The US.
The UK.
Croatians.
Albanians.
Kosovars.
the "West".
the EU.
the EC.
President Tadic.
anybody who supports the policies of your president.
the proverbial "they" you keep refering to but have yet to adequally tell us who exactly "they" are.
Bosnians
all muslims in general
The Vatican
Catholic priests
Montenegrins (true Montinegrins who voted for independence)
Turks
liberals
neo cons
conservatives
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Madeline Albright
Tony Blair
George Bush
the ICTY
and the list goes on.....

and yet you have glorified the likes of Milosevic ,Seselj ,
Arkan , Mladic , Karadzic , the failed Soviet coup plotters (that was a doozy by the way!!) , hooligans and right wing nationalist extremists.

Please enlighten us , what on earth would we possibly find inspirational about you???

Johny

You underestimate Serbia.

Slovenia is small and while it more-or-less started the break up of Yugoslavia, it did not have to suffer the consequences the way Serbian people and the people of the other surrounding countries did. Slovenia was also the first to cuddle up to its other neighbours and get into the EU. It is ahead for a little while.

Greece has had a long period of milking the Euro, but that has much reduced - soon that may well totally end with an exit from the Euro and the reentry of a very weak drachma. Serbia has its own currency and since the end of the incredible inflation of the sanctions era, it has actually managed things quite well considering the circumstances the country has been through.

Serbia has had to face the realities of its past in a way that Croatia still seems to struggle with. Serbia was on the 'good side' at the end of ww2 and Croatia wasn't. There is no denying that Serbia has had a very bad episode and has been set back a long way, but in general I suspect that Serbs in their hearts are returning to the 'good side' more quickly. Being droll…..Serbia belongs in the EU in the way Croatia wants to belong to Germany (!).

The driving force for most in Serbia is economic - the bread will be buttered best within the EU. Tadic is on the right path.

Be sure. Serbia will toot the horn - every louder.

johny, much though you might wish it otherwise, Serbia is very much a first tier player in the Balkan region. If you want proof, look at the number of international companies - from East as well as West - who are already running their South-East European operations from Belgrade, even without any clear route to the EU.

"Slovenia is small and while it more-or-less started the break up of Yugoslavia, it did not have to suffer the consequences the way Serbian people and the people of the other surrounding countries did. Slovenia was also the first to cuddle up to its other neighbours and get into the EU. It is ahead for a little while."

Slovenia was the first of the ex-Yugo countries to enter the EU, true, but it has already out-distanced countries that have been members much longer in certain respects (see the rankings in the Transparency International report http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/in_detail).

A low level of corruption is important economically, because it helps to attract FDI, and allows all investments to be more profitable.

It's not the length of time it has been in the EU that's important in Slovenia's success, I suggest, but the length of time it was in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Empires are out of fashion these days, but the K&K, especially in the person of Franz Josef, provided an example of a relatively efficient and hard-working bureaucracy.

johny, much though you might wish it otherwise, Serbia is very much a first tier player in the Balkan region. If you want proof, look at the number of international companies - from East as well as West - who are already running their South-East European operations from Belgrade, even without any clear route to the EU.
(Dave, 27 October 2010 17:09)

That number is bigger in Greece.
Also to the other poster. While Greece is in a bad economical shape, Serbia is in a worst shape.
Croatia unlike Serbia is ahead politically. It has the support that Serbia doesn't and wishes.

While Serbia belongs in the EU; that doesn't put Serbia in any better position than the countries mentioned above or make it any more important than those. I do understand that from time to time you need to stroke your own egoes but one has to be realistic. No more nonsense like "Tigers of the Balkans". That is communist nonsense propaganda. Sure the has been progress, but progressing doesn't necessarily mean that those who are indeed in a better position than you have regressed so much that you've overcome them. That is nonsense, seeing that it was only yesterday that you were allowed the chance to talk about the EU application. Others have progressed much faster, and are in a better political, and economical shape. Don't kid yourselves; you ain't the chosen ones.

I think you're the one who are kidding yourself. There is no such thing as a "Balkan Tiger" but the fact remains that Serbia, and in particular Belgrade, is inexorably returning to its position as the commercial hub of the the area many firms now describe as the Western Balkans (ex-YU plus Albania). It makes perfect sense in logistical terms - the only obvious competitors, Budapest and Athens, sit ofn the edge of the region rather than in it and are culturally and linguistically separate.

As for Croatia being "ahead politically", I'm not altogether sure what that means, but I'm prepared to speculate tat it doesn't put bread on many tables.

I think you're the one who are kidding yourself. There is no such thing as a "Balkan Tiger" but the fact remains that Serbia, and in particular Belgrade, is inexorably returning to its position as the commercial hub of the the area many firms now describe as the Western Balkans (ex-YU plus Albania). It makes perfect sense in logistical terms - the only obvious competitors, Budapest and Athens, sit ofn the edge of the region rather than in it and are culturally and linguistically separate.

As for Croatia being "ahead politically", I'm not altogether sure what that means, but I'm prepared to speculate tat it doesn't put bread on many tables.