Monday, 25.10.2010.
15:25
An island state in Micronesia, the Pacific Ocean, has recognized Kosovo as independent.
Izvor: Beta
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And Australia is nothing more than America's b***h.
It's back to America my friend.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 02:15)
Hmmm, I thought America is in decline, but if Australia is nothing more than America's b***h, than I must be wrong. Thanks Peggy for illuminating us.
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There is no US Embassy in Kiribati but there is an Australian one. Do not forget Australia was in the first dozen or so countries to recognise Kosovo.
(TheTraveller, 29 October 2010 15:28)
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And Australia is nothing more than America's b***h.
It's back to America my friend.
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I have been to Kiribati and I would not be saying the US had anything to do with the recognition. I would be questioning Australia. Kiribati uses the Australian dollar and also Australia is a big aid donor. There is no US Embassy in Kiribati but there is an Australian one. Do not forget Australia was in the first dozen or so countries to recognise Kosovo.
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KOSOVO IS SERBIAN end of story.
(KOSJOKE, 27 October 2010 07:23)
Yep, you're right... that story really ended some three years ago
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Then think about it harder. It'll come to you. Did you finally look up "pacify"?
(JohnnyC, 27 October 2010 07:56)
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I already gave you the definition of pacify but you chose to omit that and only repeat my question.
Don't play silly buggers.
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Na...na ..na.na..naaa
My next vacation ?? =Micronesia islands.
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Hi, Ataman - long time no see.
"Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
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From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it."
You obviously have sources I don't if you know of Pacolli bragging about recognitions obtained via bribes.
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
Yes, he did - justified or not. Probably justified.
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Question: if it's so easy to do this under the radar, with no exposure, why hasn't Russia been able to do it for AbSo?
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
Very good question, also why neither Serbia nor Russia did bribe countries to withdraw the recognitions? I think, one man who reports to no one can be more successful than the team of bureaucrats. Happens in the software industry a lot of time - there are monsters like Microsoft Office and some little gems competing with it. Recently discovered the little TextMate, what a gem. Why can't Apple make such programmer's editor for the XCode? Just because, being big is sometimes a disadvantage.
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I blame it all on the end of Communism
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
It's not ended, it's all there, just in other form. The "West" is a wonderful partner with the nomenclatura, sharing the profits. Nomenclatura transferred itself wonderfully.
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The US is turning into a place where the rich are increasingly well protected from everybody else - and the man elected to change things may be good and intelligent, but needs much sharper elbows.
Your partner in gloom,
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
He can't do much against the establishment :(
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71/192
According to the West up until end of 2009 ... over 150 countries should of recognized Kosovo. FAIL!!!
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN end of story.
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Now that's how you should be comparing.
I have no idea what you were trying to say.
(Peggy, 26 October 2010 00:25)
Then think about it harder. It'll come to you. Did you finally look up "pacify"?
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"There is significance on paper and real significance. You may want to think about which one you care." (icj1)
-- True. So being recognized by Kirbati and not recognized by Lesotho are equally insignificant.
Not being recognized by Spain, Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, South Africa, Israel, Ukraine, Egypt, and Nigeria - consistently - are somewhat less significant though. Both on paper and real. Particularly in light of events following your screen name.
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Hi, Ataman - long time no see.
"Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
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From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it."
You obviously have sources I don't if you know of Pacolli bragging about recognitions obtained via bribes. (Don't bother responding with examples of simple bragging on his part, they're too common to count.) Question: if it's so easy to do this under the radar, with no exposure, why hasn't Russia been able to do it for AbSo? In the 3 cases where they were successful, we know all the details. Is Pacolli that much more clever? Richer? The South Pacific paradise that Russia was in fact able to buy is notorious for selling recognitions (it's gone back and forth on Taiwan), so I suppose that one is a possibility, but I doubt there have been as many direct sales as you suggest. Which is not to say there hasn't been "competition" - Bangladesh ended up with some Russian-built nuclear power stations, despite newspaper editorials urging recognition of a fellow Muslim country, and constant pressure from the US ambassador. (He bragged about it.
"Probably 30 years ago I would agree with what you write... things changed for worse.
(Ataman, 26 October 2010 13:13) "
I blame it all on the end of Communism, which was a great thing for America, while it lasted. (Would the South ever have agreed to civil rights for Negroes if it hadn't been for the USSR harping about lynchings in the US?) Workers were decently treated because 1) they were the only workers we had and 2) capitalists were in a competition with the USSR to demonstrate that workers did better under them than under the tyrannical role of the vanguard of the proletariat. Then the capitalists won, and things started going to hell. I'm glad the East European countries regained their freedom, even though these days some may be having fond thoughts about what seemed to be the security of the previous system. A financial crisis that goes on as long as this one is shakes everybody's confidence. The US is turning into a place where the rich are increasingly well protected from everybody else - and the man elected to change things may be good and intelligent, but needs much sharper elbows.
Your partner in gloom,
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guys, you need to make up your mind. When Kosovo is recognized by an insignificant country (say Kiribati), than the recognition is insignificant. However, when Kosovo is not recognized by an insignificant country (say Lesotho), then the non-recognition is significant (or so we heard when Vuk announced this achievement with gran fanfare).
There is significance on paper and real significance. You may want to think about which one you care.
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Next we will hear Walmart and
McDonalds have also recognised
Kosovo.
Regards Branko
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much ado about nothing... all these comments for the recognition from Kiribati, my God !
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pss,
Please tell me why Kosovo can leave Serbia against Seriban constitution. While Taiwan, Tibet cannot leave China against Chinese constituion?
Remember millions (!) died in Tibet?
What is the false parallel?
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Wow! Congratulations! The 2nd state in the impressive "wave" of recognitions, after the ICJ ruling. Perfectly in line with the all the other important and glorious who recently recognized Kosovo, namely Somalia, Djibuti, the Kingdom of Swaziland, and not to forget, the island state of Vanuatu!
Hmm, was Kiribati with a population of some 100,000 the smallest country so far?
And, of course, my next holiday will be in Kiribati! I heard there will be a direct flight from Pristina to this beautiful holiday region established very soon!
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From article:
"71 UN member states have thus far recognized the Kosovo Albanian UDI, which Belgrade rejected as an illegal act of secession."
Wait! I thought that secession was a totally separate issue from the UDI! Now, we are being told that the UDI was an act of secession? Careful with this one, since the ICJ ruled the UDI as being legal... If you call the UDI an act of secession, you are calling the secession legal (and nobody really cares whether Serbia agrees with the ICJ, particularly since by asking the ICJ to rule on the case, even a 'non-binding' ruling, Serbia acknowledged the ICJ's authority in the case).
On the other hand, I do agree that this is not all that newsworthy, since the country recognizing Kosovo is 1/20th the population of Kosovo...
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well, if some of our dear k-albanian friends see this as a "win-win-situation" let them believe it!
on the other hand, I´d say that every single "recognition" of such a micro-"state" is rather more showing that the greater albanian project is doomed to fail!
when the "one and only global superpower can only force these tiny little island-states to "recognize" you, don´t you hear the bells ringing???
I am really astonished about this level of naivety, since everything is directing in the other direction my dear friends, but if you think to have reason to cheer about that, then just do it! that´s always better than attacking bathing children with automatic rifles or burning down serb churches and monasteries or desecrating serb cemeteries.
not that we are used to it by the hand of albanian extremists already...
but nevertheless, if you are cheering, you´re not rioting - and thats at least a minimum of behaviour one can expect of you in southern Serbia.
no matter what those "friends" of yours are telling you - you are about to lose. you will lose, very likely, and if you do not read the signs of time soon enough, you will lose everything.
but then that will be only your own fault.
Serbia will prevail! let´s just see what future brings...
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And how do you know that? Or is just the typical Serbian speculation about thinks they don't like to hear and see?
(Mark, 26 October 2010 00:54)
I'm not Serbian, but logically thinking, I cannot imagine for somebody on the remote island taking such an action without significant stimulus.
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When will the US recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
(Ron, 25 October 2010 23:07)
Probably when they adopt the Ron's guidebook to International Interactions, a distorted sense of paralells.
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Seriously, couldnt the US afford a more credible nation?
I guess the economic crisis is hitting Uncle Sam a lot harder than we thought! :-)
(Predrag, 26 October 2010 07:31)
U.S. is a bystander with that, it's what Pacolli can afford and convince. Let him try to convince this country:
http://bucultureshock.com/?p=3536
because as poor as that country is, they have a very different approach to the life, money is less important there.
I bet a bottle of Медовуха against "Konjak Skenderbeu" that Pacolli will be kicked in the rear by these Buddhist monks, LOL.
That wins:
http://tinyurl.com/2ev8s7b
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I object: for a fact-packed 12 lines on the significance of Kiribatu, I was awarded only 59 minuses, while Simpatiku and KU got 98 and 96, respectively, for a mere 4 and 7 lines, respectively. (Joe got 107 minuses, but then, he usually does well.)
(Amer, 26 October 2010 03:48)
Straight answer:
1) because most of the time the originators of such ratings don't even bother to read. They rate according the principe "ours versus theirs".
2) because one single individual with some technical knowledge can issue as many ratings as he wants.
Hence (1+2) these are highly irrelevant.
Let's put it in a positive light: the fine city of Trollhätten is a wonderful, multi-cultural place. Unfortunately it's the SAAB car factory what Trollhätten is (still) famous for. B92 forum is not there yet.
Otherwise I like your posts even that I disagree today with most what you write. Probably 30 years ago I would agree with what you write... things changed for worse.
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Well well well.
This is a win/win situation.
The Serbs are happy (laughing) and the Albanians are cheering.
Good news for all then!
Slowly but steady we are gaining ground.
Each recognition is a boost for Kosova.
I love Kosova!
cheers
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Kiribati??
Has anyone ever even heard of this sand pit?
I guess this is part of the new wave of recognitions huh?
I think there are more people living in my suburb than in this tiny rock.
Seriously, couldnt the US afford a more credible nation?
I guess the economic crisis is hitting Uncle Sam a lot harder than we thought! :-)
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BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
(Amer, 25 October 2010 22:27)
You are probably right, I completely forgot Pacolli and was wondering what the heck, why now and why Kiribati. That explains. Clinton & Co. don't care less at this moment but that serves them well.
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"Impotent player" with 70 colonies? I recall that each recognizing country so far was called "an American colony" by Serbian posters.
Not bad to have 70 colonies for an impotent country.
(Joe, 25 October 2010 19:45)
Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
If you do not know, this is Pacolli:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behgjet_Pacolli
From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it. According some posters here, this is fine. They say, as long as they serve the purpose - such methods can be justified. I am not sure about that.
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I object: for a fact-packed 12 lines on the significance of Kiribatu, I was awarded only 59 minuses, while Simpatiku and KU got 98 and 96, respectively, for a mere 4 and 7 lines, respectively. (Joe got 107 minuses, but then, he usually does well.)
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
(passing by, 25 October 2010 23:02)
come on, be serious... they don't have any idea where Kosovo, Serbia or, for that matter, Europe is...
However, they are 0.52% of the UN. Kosovo has already the recognitions of more than 70% of world's GDP. If somebody wants numbers, there you have it with the island of Kiribati. Kiribati matters on paper.
What matters in reality for Kosovo is the recognition of the European countries that count. Those were the ones that made Kosovo's independence possible.
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Kiribati is an island nation (it covers an area equal to about 1/3 of the continental U.S.) and will be one of those that will suffer the most, and will suffer soonest, from global warming. Kiribati may appreciate Kosovo's installation of wind turbines to help slow the process. (A guess, I admit.) Or maybe, with the port rights Albania has given them, they plan to take up fishing in a serious way and want to make sure than can get a license to some of the best fishing areas on earth?
BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
(Amer, 25 October 2010 22:27)
I never got to thank you, Amer, for posting the NYT link about Mladic. it basically supported everything we've been saying: he's still 'hiding' in belgrade(duh), the blg regime(s) have harbored him, or made the most mushy-pushy stabs at "searching," there'll be no results w/out intl tough love... however they added some tantalizing specifics. just one (rhetorical) question -- why can't we see such pieces in serbia's "democratic" media? it's a real problem, a real lacking...
anyway, congratulations to the people of Kosova on recognition #71 -- and to our frnds and allies around the world. every single recognition we gain is accompanied here by a host of spinners: oh, its US imperialism, oh its this, oh its small, oh its big, oh its not impt, oh who cares? well who cares about your sorry spinning?! we will soon be up to 100 recognitions, and still going strong, our "quasi-state."
as for the continuing tormenting of the people of kosova, you don't know it, but it all comes back to strike you in the arse. you think serbia will gain top status as the rest of her neighbors are brought to their knees. but you will see just the opposite.
thank you, again, to our frnds and allies around the world! who cares of their nationality or religion.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
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The serbian list is shrinking...
(Mirel from Albania)
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What does Mircronesia have to do with Serbia. I didnt know Micronesia was a country untill I saw that Nestea comercial a few years back.
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Just to clear the deck:
USA/Kosovo: 70 countries
Russia's puppet states in Causasus: 3
Epic American victory, Epic Russian fail.
Cheers!
(JohnC., 25 October 2010 23:12)
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USA/Kosova 70. The rest of the world 122.
Now that's how you should be comparing.
I have no idea what you were trying to say.
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
(passing by, 25 October 2010 23:02)
And how do you know that? Or is just the typical Serbian speculation about thinks they don't like to hear and see?
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
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We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
(KOSO, 25 October 2010 16:18)
So when will Kosovo recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
When will the US recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
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"The serbian list is shrinking..." (Mirel from Albania)
-- Something tells me Belgrade can live without Kirbati's support. Much like they can live without Somalia's or Swaziland's. In fact, I doubt Kirbati's recognition will produce anything other than cyber-banter.
Weren't you the one a few weeks ago calling Slovakia "scum" because of their refusal to recognize?
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Just to clear the deck:
USA/Kosovo: 70 countries
Russia's puppet states in Causasus: 3
Epic American victory, Epic Russian fail.
Cheers!
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192- 71=121,who is adding and who is reducing? do not laugh because serbia will some day add up to the numbers too.never say never.
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
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They have never heard of you before? Just a thought.
Mrs. Clinton is off her game. Is this the best she could do? Didn't Sediju say there was going to be many recognitions straight after ICJ opinion? Is this it?
We are scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Mrs. Clinton herself could not do anything more, imagine how incompetent her staff is then.
That's why Winston was laughing so much and I believe that he was laughing and not hurting inside like some of you think. The whole thing is either funny because it's so sad for you.
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"Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
(IUPM, 25 October 2010 17:48)"
Kiribati is an island nation (it covers an area equal to about 1/3 of the continental U.S.) and will be one of those that will suffer the most, and will suffer soonest, from global warming. Kiribati may appreciate Kosovo's installation of wind turbines to help slow the process. (A guess, I admit.) Or maybe, with the port rights Albania has given them, they plan to take up fishing in a serious way and want to make sure than can get a license to some of the best fishing areas on earth?
BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
(winston, 25 October 2010 17:45)
Strange you find it so funny, I have a feeling it is actually eating you up inside. 70% of the worlds economies already recognize Kosovo so it is time to focus on numbers.
It is just one less that you can claim supports Serbia.
But I would say the bigger question is why would they have sided with Serbia? they have nothing in common with Serbia.
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
(winston, 25 October 2010 17:45)
If you really want to have a good laugh check comments under yesterday's article about Troicki's ATP title victory.Seems that paranoia has no limits.
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The serbian list is shrinking...
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thank you republic of kiribati
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"I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics."
winston
"Impotent player" with 70 colonies? I recall that each recognizing country so far was called "an American colony" by Serbian posters.
Not bad to have 70 colonies for an impotent country. Can you name any other country who nowadays has even a much smaller number of colonies? And for the US the number 70 of colonies is not final!!
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"We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
(KOSO, 25 October 2010 16:18)"
Taiwan said it recognised Kosovo but Kosovo, quite sensibly, refused to return the favour, as "China is an important country." The "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" (a kind of equivalent of the "Serbian Republic in Bosnia") has not recognised Kosovo. And even if it did, Kosovo again would, quite sensibly, not return the favour.
It is OK to be happy about one more UN vote, but this is more of the same: Kiribati is another US Pacific colony. Breaking through important barriers in the world is what Kosovo/a has not yet done, with the exception of a couple of countries such as Malaysia and a couple of Arab states.
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Kiribati, niko te neznati. I agree with Winston, this is actually embarrassing for the US and Kosova's Albanians. Is this the best that your patron USA can do for you?
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Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
(IUPM, 25 October 2010 17:48)
And what is the reason they would not recognize?
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It's only the land surface area of Kiribati that's small - it controls 1.3 million miles of ocean (fishing rights, mineral rights) in its Exclusion Economic Zone - the area 200 miles from the shore of each of its scattered islands. It's the largest such zone in the Pacific. (The reason why Slovenia is fighting so doggedly for that little piece of land - it comes with economic rights to a much larger body of water.) They've made the part of the area the world's largest MPA - Marine Protected Area - in an effort to preserve world fish stocks. (The New England Aquarium was involved, so we have a local connection to Kiribati, Nenad-from-Boston.)
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Ok here it is. Some of you say that Micronesia is a pile of sand with no importance whatsoever.
I may or may not agree with you.
However, in this case it is important.
Should the news read: Micronesia has stated that they WILL never recognise Kosovo, team Serbia would have posted different comments.
Enjoy Kosovo!!
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
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Are you kidding me...MicroSomething in BFI is as important as China, Russian, India or Brazil? Yet, why is it that any country opposed to albanian expansionism is ridiculed at every oportunity...such as Slovakia. From what I recall, good ridance prevailed as the theme of the day from our peace loving albanian bloggers when Slovakia held firm NOT to recognize your illegal terrorist colony.
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Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
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"I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting."
Winston
Winston are you making it up? Are you truly sincere?
Don't forget that the recognition of a small country counts just as much as the recognition of a big one like Brazil or India would do.
Anyway I warmly congratulate Kosova for #71. Before my vacation the number stood at 69. I am just wondering who was #70.
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Winston ! That is exactly what we Albanians want so you can keep laughing !!!!!
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Here we go. Nr.71
Next pelase...!
Even without government we are able to attract recognitions. worldwide.
This is another victory for Jeremic and co.
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We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
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I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting. Is this the best Hillary can do? What a disgraceful, and ineffective attempt at diplomacy. Forcing/bribing, a tiny island nation, floating in the middle of the Pacific, to recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo is about as low as you can get by the US State Dept. Well, at least the K Albanians will have another place to travel to Kiribati, and seek economic asylum.
(winston, 25 October 2010 16:22)
As laughable as it may be for you, Kiribati with 98000 people has one vote in UN just like India with 1 billion.
Thank you Kiribati. The imagination support for Serbia is down to 121. More recognitions to come.
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Another embarrassment for Team Albania.
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I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting. Is this the best Hillary can do? What a disgraceful, and ineffective attempt at diplomacy. Forcing/bribing, a tiny island nation, floating in the middle of the Pacific, to recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo is about as low as you can get by the US State Dept. Well, at least the K Albanians will have another place to travel to Kiribati, and seek economic asylum.
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Good job Kiribati. Kiribati: 98 thousand people in the middle of the ocean. Independent. UN member (?). Sun and sea and fishing all day long. No neighbors with a superiority complex. It is true that some people are luckier than others. By the way, wikipedia says they had a president named Tito. Maybe an old acquaintance of ours?
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I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting. Is this the best Hillary can do? What a disgraceful, and ineffective attempt at diplomacy. Forcing/bribing, a tiny island nation, floating in the middle of the Pacific, to recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo is about as low as you can get by the US State Dept. Well, at least the K Albanians will have another place to travel to Kiribati, and seek economic asylum.
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Are you kidding me...MicroSomething in BFI is as important as China, Russian, India or Brazil? Yet, why is it that any country opposed to albanian expansionism is ridiculed at every oportunity...such as Slovakia. From what I recall, good ridance prevailed as the theme of the day from our peace loving albanian bloggers when Slovakia held firm NOT to recognize your illegal terrorist colony.
pre 13 godina
I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
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Another embarrassment for Team Albania.
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Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
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Kiribati, niko te neznati. I agree with Winston, this is actually embarrassing for the US and Kosova's Albanians. Is this the best that your patron USA can do for you?
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I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting. Is this the best Hillary can do? What a disgraceful, and ineffective attempt at diplomacy. Forcing/bribing, a tiny island nation, floating in the middle of the Pacific, to recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo is about as low as you can get by the US State Dept. Well, at least the K Albanians will have another place to travel to Kiribati, and seek economic asylum.
(winston, 25 October 2010 16:22)
As laughable as it may be for you, Kiribati with 98000 people has one vote in UN just like India with 1 billion.
Thank you Kiribati. The imagination support for Serbia is down to 121. More recognitions to come.
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
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They have never heard of you before? Just a thought.
Mrs. Clinton is off her game. Is this the best she could do? Didn't Sediju say there was going to be many recognitions straight after ICJ opinion? Is this it?
We are scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Mrs. Clinton herself could not do anything more, imagine how incompetent her staff is then.
That's why Winston was laughing so much and I believe that he was laughing and not hurting inside like some of you think. The whole thing is either funny because it's so sad for you.
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"I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting."
Winston
Winston are you making it up? Are you truly sincere?
Don't forget that the recognition of a small country counts just as much as the recognition of a big one like Brazil or India would do.
Anyway I warmly congratulate Kosova for #71. Before my vacation the number stood at 69. I am just wondering who was #70.
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Here we go. Nr.71
Next pelase...!
Even without government we are able to attract recognitions. worldwide.
This is another victory for Jeremic and co.
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Winston ! That is exactly what we Albanians want so you can keep laughing !!!!!
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
(winston, 25 October 2010 17:45)
If you really want to have a good laugh check comments under yesterday's article about Troicki's ATP title victory.Seems that paranoia has no limits.
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We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
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We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
(KOSO, 25 October 2010 16:18)
So when will Kosovo recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
When will the US recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
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The serbian list is shrinking...
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Well well well.
This is a win/win situation.
The Serbs are happy (laughing) and the Albanians are cheering.
Good news for all then!
Slowly but steady we are gaining ground.
Each recognition is a boost for Kosova.
I love Kosova!
cheers
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"I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics."
winston
"Impotent player" with 70 colonies? I recall that each recognizing country so far was called "an American colony" by Serbian posters.
Not bad to have 70 colonies for an impotent country. Can you name any other country who nowadays has even a much smaller number of colonies? And for the US the number 70 of colonies is not final!!
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"The serbian list is shrinking..." (Mirel from Albania)
-- Something tells me Belgrade can live without Kirbati's support. Much like they can live without Somalia's or Swaziland's. In fact, I doubt Kirbati's recognition will produce anything other than cyber-banter.
Weren't you the one a few weeks ago calling Slovakia "scum" because of their refusal to recognize?
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Just to clear the deck:
USA/Kosovo: 70 countries
Russia's puppet states in Causasus: 3
Epic American victory, Epic Russian fail.
Cheers!
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Good job Kiribati. Kiribati: 98 thousand people in the middle of the ocean. Independent. UN member (?). Sun and sea and fishing all day long. No neighbors with a superiority complex. It is true that some people are luckier than others. By the way, wikipedia says they had a president named Tito. Maybe an old acquaintance of ours?
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thank you republic of kiribati
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
(winston, 25 October 2010 17:45)
Strange you find it so funny, I have a feeling it is actually eating you up inside. 70% of the worlds economies already recognize Kosovo so it is time to focus on numbers.
It is just one less that you can claim supports Serbia.
But I would say the bigger question is why would they have sided with Serbia? they have nothing in common with Serbia.
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
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Ok here it is. Some of you say that Micronesia is a pile of sand with no importance whatsoever.
I may or may not agree with you.
However, in this case it is important.
Should the news read: Micronesia has stated that they WILL never recognise Kosovo, team Serbia would have posted different comments.
Enjoy Kosovo!!
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Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
(IUPM, 25 October 2010 17:48)
And what is the reason they would not recognize?
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It's only the land surface area of Kiribati that's small - it controls 1.3 million miles of ocean (fishing rights, mineral rights) in its Exclusion Economic Zone - the area 200 miles from the shore of each of its scattered islands. It's the largest such zone in the Pacific. (The reason why Slovenia is fighting so doggedly for that little piece of land - it comes with economic rights to a much larger body of water.) They've made the part of the area the world's largest MPA - Marine Protected Area - in an effort to preserve world fish stocks. (The New England Aquarium was involved, so we have a local connection to Kiribati, Nenad-from-Boston.)
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"We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
(KOSO, 25 October 2010 16:18)"
Taiwan said it recognised Kosovo but Kosovo, quite sensibly, refused to return the favour, as "China is an important country." The "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" (a kind of equivalent of the "Serbian Republic in Bosnia") has not recognised Kosovo. And even if it did, Kosovo again would, quite sensibly, not return the favour.
It is OK to be happy about one more UN vote, but this is more of the same: Kiribati is another US Pacific colony. Breaking through important barriers in the world is what Kosovo/a has not yet done, with the exception of a couple of countries such as Malaysia and a couple of Arab states.
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Just to clear the deck:
USA/Kosovo: 70 countries
Russia's puppet states in Causasus: 3
Epic American victory, Epic Russian fail.
Cheers!
(JohnC., 25 October 2010 23:12)
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USA/Kosova 70. The rest of the world 122.
Now that's how you should be comparing.
I have no idea what you were trying to say.
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Kiribati??
Has anyone ever even heard of this sand pit?
I guess this is part of the new wave of recognitions huh?
I think there are more people living in my suburb than in this tiny rock.
Seriously, couldnt the US afford a more credible nation?
I guess the economic crisis is hitting Uncle Sam a lot harder than we thought! :-)
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When will the US recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
(Ron, 25 October 2010 23:07)
Probably when they adopt the Ron's guidebook to International Interactions, a distorted sense of paralells.
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192- 71=121,who is adding and who is reducing? do not laugh because serbia will some day add up to the numbers too.never say never.
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The serbian list is shrinking...
(Mirel from Albania)
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What does Mircronesia have to do with Serbia. I didnt know Micronesia was a country untill I saw that Nestea comercial a few years back.
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Kiribati is an island nation (it covers an area equal to about 1/3 of the continental U.S.) and will be one of those that will suffer the most, and will suffer soonest, from global warming. Kiribati may appreciate Kosovo's installation of wind turbines to help slow the process. (A guess, I admit.) Or maybe, with the port rights Albania has given them, they plan to take up fishing in a serious way and want to make sure than can get a license to some of the best fishing areas on earth?
BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
(Amer, 25 October 2010 22:27)
I never got to thank you, Amer, for posting the NYT link about Mladic. it basically supported everything we've been saying: he's still 'hiding' in belgrade(duh), the blg regime(s) have harbored him, or made the most mushy-pushy stabs at "searching," there'll be no results w/out intl tough love... however they added some tantalizing specifics. just one (rhetorical) question -- why can't we see such pieces in serbia's "democratic" media? it's a real problem, a real lacking...
anyway, congratulations to the people of Kosova on recognition #71 -- and to our frnds and allies around the world. every single recognition we gain is accompanied here by a host of spinners: oh, its US imperialism, oh its this, oh its small, oh its big, oh its not impt, oh who cares? well who cares about your sorry spinning?! we will soon be up to 100 recognitions, and still going strong, our "quasi-state."
as for the continuing tormenting of the people of kosova, you don't know it, but it all comes back to strike you in the arse. you think serbia will gain top status as the rest of her neighbors are brought to their knees. but you will see just the opposite.
thank you, again, to our frnds and allies around the world! who cares of their nationality or religion.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
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"Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
(IUPM, 25 October 2010 17:48)"
Kiribati is an island nation (it covers an area equal to about 1/3 of the continental U.S.) and will be one of those that will suffer the most, and will suffer soonest, from global warming. Kiribati may appreciate Kosovo's installation of wind turbines to help slow the process. (A guess, I admit.) Or maybe, with the port rights Albania has given them, they plan to take up fishing in a serious way and want to make sure than can get a license to some of the best fishing areas on earth?
BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
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Wow! Congratulations! The 2nd state in the impressive "wave" of recognitions, after the ICJ ruling. Perfectly in line with the all the other important and glorious who recently recognized Kosovo, namely Somalia, Djibuti, the Kingdom of Swaziland, and not to forget, the island state of Vanuatu!
Hmm, was Kiribati with a population of some 100,000 the smallest country so far?
And, of course, my next holiday will be in Kiribati! I heard there will be a direct flight from Pristina to this beautiful holiday region established very soon!
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BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
(Amer, 25 October 2010 22:27)
You are probably right, I completely forgot Pacolli and was wondering what the heck, why now and why Kiribati. That explains. Clinton & Co. don't care less at this moment but that serves them well.
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"Impotent player" with 70 colonies? I recall that each recognizing country so far was called "an American colony" by Serbian posters.
Not bad to have 70 colonies for an impotent country.
(Joe, 25 October 2010 19:45)
Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
If you do not know, this is Pacolli:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behgjet_Pacolli
From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it. According some posters here, this is fine. They say, as long as they serve the purpose - such methods can be justified. I am not sure about that.
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And how do you know that? Or is just the typical Serbian speculation about thinks they don't like to hear and see?
(Mark, 26 October 2010 00:54)
I'm not Serbian, but logically thinking, I cannot imagine for somebody on the remote island taking such an action without significant stimulus.
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well, if some of our dear k-albanian friends see this as a "win-win-situation" let them believe it!
on the other hand, I´d say that every single "recognition" of such a micro-"state" is rather more showing that the greater albanian project is doomed to fail!
when the "one and only global superpower can only force these tiny little island-states to "recognize" you, don´t you hear the bells ringing???
I am really astonished about this level of naivety, since everything is directing in the other direction my dear friends, but if you think to have reason to cheer about that, then just do it! that´s always better than attacking bathing children with automatic rifles or burning down serb churches and monasteries or desecrating serb cemeteries.
not that we are used to it by the hand of albanian extremists already...
but nevertheless, if you are cheering, you´re not rioting - and thats at least a minimum of behaviour one can expect of you in southern Serbia.
no matter what those "friends" of yours are telling you - you are about to lose. you will lose, very likely, and if you do not read the signs of time soon enough, you will lose everything.
but then that will be only your own fault.
Serbia will prevail! let´s just see what future brings...
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much ado about nothing... all these comments for the recognition from Kiribati, my God !
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pss,
Please tell me why Kosovo can leave Serbia against Seriban constitution. While Taiwan, Tibet cannot leave China against Chinese constituion?
Remember millions (!) died in Tibet?
What is the false parallel?
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I object: for a fact-packed 12 lines on the significance of Kiribatu, I was awarded only 59 minuses, while Simpatiku and KU got 98 and 96, respectively, for a mere 4 and 7 lines, respectively. (Joe got 107 minuses, but then, he usually does well.)
(Amer, 26 October 2010 03:48)
Straight answer:
1) because most of the time the originators of such ratings don't even bother to read. They rate according the principe "ours versus theirs".
2) because one single individual with some technical knowledge can issue as many ratings as he wants.
Hence (1+2) these are highly irrelevant.
Let's put it in a positive light: the fine city of Trollhätten is a wonderful, multi-cultural place. Unfortunately it's the SAAB car factory what Trollhätten is (still) famous for. B92 forum is not there yet.
Otherwise I like your posts even that I disagree today with most what you write. Probably 30 years ago I would agree with what you write... things changed for worse.
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guys, you need to make up your mind. When Kosovo is recognized by an insignificant country (say Kiribati), than the recognition is insignificant. However, when Kosovo is not recognized by an insignificant country (say Lesotho), then the non-recognition is significant (or so we heard when Vuk announced this achievement with gran fanfare).
There is significance on paper and real significance. You may want to think about which one you care.
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
(passing by, 25 October 2010 23:02)
come on, be serious... they don't have any idea where Kosovo, Serbia or, for that matter, Europe is...
However, they are 0.52% of the UN. Kosovo has already the recognitions of more than 70% of world's GDP. If somebody wants numbers, there you have it with the island of Kiribati. Kiribati matters on paper.
What matters in reality for Kosovo is the recognition of the European countries that count. Those were the ones that made Kosovo's independence possible.
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I object: for a fact-packed 12 lines on the significance of Kiribatu, I was awarded only 59 minuses, while Simpatiku and KU got 98 and 96, respectively, for a mere 4 and 7 lines, respectively. (Joe got 107 minuses, but then, he usually does well.)
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
(passing by, 25 October 2010 23:02)
And how do you know that? Or is just the typical Serbian speculation about thinks they don't like to hear and see?
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Seriously, couldnt the US afford a more credible nation?
I guess the economic crisis is hitting Uncle Sam a lot harder than we thought! :-)
(Predrag, 26 October 2010 07:31)
U.S. is a bystander with that, it's what Pacolli can afford and convince. Let him try to convince this country:
http://bucultureshock.com/?p=3536
because as poor as that country is, they have a very different approach to the life, money is less important there.
I bet a bottle of Медовуха against "Konjak Skenderbeu" that Pacolli will be kicked in the rear by these Buddhist monks, LOL.
That wins:
http://tinyurl.com/2ev8s7b
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"There is significance on paper and real significance. You may want to think about which one you care." (icj1)
-- True. So being recognized by Kirbati and not recognized by Lesotho are equally insignificant.
Not being recognized by Spain, Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, South Africa, Israel, Ukraine, Egypt, and Nigeria - consistently - are somewhat less significant though. Both on paper and real. Particularly in light of events following your screen name.
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71/192
According to the West up until end of 2009 ... over 150 countries should of recognized Kosovo. FAIL!!!
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN end of story.
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Now that's how you should be comparing.
I have no idea what you were trying to say.
(Peggy, 26 October 2010 00:25)
Then think about it harder. It'll come to you. Did you finally look up "pacify"?
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Next we will hear Walmart and
McDonalds have also recognised
Kosovo.
Regards Branko
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Na...na ..na.na..naaa
My next vacation ?? =Micronesia islands.
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KOSOVO IS SERBIAN end of story.
(KOSJOKE, 27 October 2010 07:23)
Yep, you're right... that story really ended some three years ago
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I have been to Kiribati and I would not be saying the US had anything to do with the recognition. I would be questioning Australia. Kiribati uses the Australian dollar and also Australia is a big aid donor. There is no US Embassy in Kiribati but there is an Australian one. Do not forget Australia was in the first dozen or so countries to recognise Kosovo.
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Hi, Ataman - long time no see.
"Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
...
From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it."
You obviously have sources I don't if you know of Pacolli bragging about recognitions obtained via bribes.
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
Yes, he did - justified or not. Probably justified.
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Question: if it's so easy to do this under the radar, with no exposure, why hasn't Russia been able to do it for AbSo?
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
Very good question, also why neither Serbia nor Russia did bribe countries to withdraw the recognitions? I think, one man who reports to no one can be more successful than the team of bureaucrats. Happens in the software industry a lot of time - there are monsters like Microsoft Office and some little gems competing with it. Recently discovered the little TextMate, what a gem. Why can't Apple make such programmer's editor for the XCode? Just because, being big is sometimes a disadvantage.
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I blame it all on the end of Communism
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
It's not ended, it's all there, just in other form. The "West" is a wonderful partner with the nomenclatura, sharing the profits. Nomenclatura transferred itself wonderfully.
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The US is turning into a place where the rich are increasingly well protected from everybody else - and the man elected to change things may be good and intelligent, but needs much sharper elbows.
Your partner in gloom,
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
He can't do much against the establishment :(
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There is no US Embassy in Kiribati but there is an Australian one. Do not forget Australia was in the first dozen or so countries to recognise Kosovo.
(TheTraveller, 29 October 2010 15:28)
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And Australia is nothing more than America's b***h.
It's back to America my friend.
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From article:
"71 UN member states have thus far recognized the Kosovo Albanian UDI, which Belgrade rejected as an illegal act of secession."
Wait! I thought that secession was a totally separate issue from the UDI! Now, we are being told that the UDI was an act of secession? Careful with this one, since the ICJ ruled the UDI as being legal... If you call the UDI an act of secession, you are calling the secession legal (and nobody really cares whether Serbia agrees with the ICJ, particularly since by asking the ICJ to rule on the case, even a 'non-binding' ruling, Serbia acknowledged the ICJ's authority in the case).
On the other hand, I do agree that this is not all that newsworthy, since the country recognizing Kosovo is 1/20th the population of Kosovo...
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Hi, Ataman - long time no see.
"Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
...
From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it."
You obviously have sources I don't if you know of Pacolli bragging about recognitions obtained via bribes. (Don't bother responding with examples of simple bragging on his part, they're too common to count.) Question: if it's so easy to do this under the radar, with no exposure, why hasn't Russia been able to do it for AbSo? In the 3 cases where they were successful, we know all the details. Is Pacolli that much more clever? Richer? The South Pacific paradise that Russia was in fact able to buy is notorious for selling recognitions (it's gone back and forth on Taiwan), so I suppose that one is a possibility, but I doubt there have been as many direct sales as you suggest. Which is not to say there hasn't been "competition" - Bangladesh ended up with some Russian-built nuclear power stations, despite newspaper editorials urging recognition of a fellow Muslim country, and constant pressure from the US ambassador. (He bragged about it.
"Probably 30 years ago I would agree with what you write... things changed for worse.
(Ataman, 26 October 2010 13:13) "
I blame it all on the end of Communism, which was a great thing for America, while it lasted. (Would the South ever have agreed to civil rights for Negroes if it hadn't been for the USSR harping about lynchings in the US?) Workers were decently treated because 1) they were the only workers we had and 2) capitalists were in a competition with the USSR to demonstrate that workers did better under them than under the tyrannical role of the vanguard of the proletariat. Then the capitalists won, and things started going to hell. I'm glad the East European countries regained their freedom, even though these days some may be having fond thoughts about what seemed to be the security of the previous system. A financial crisis that goes on as long as this one is shakes everybody's confidence. The US is turning into a place where the rich are increasingly well protected from everybody else - and the man elected to change things may be good and intelligent, but needs much sharper elbows.
Your partner in gloom,
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Then think about it harder. It'll come to you. Did you finally look up "pacify"?
(JohnnyC, 27 October 2010 07:56)
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I already gave you the definition of pacify but you chose to omit that and only repeat my question.
Don't play silly buggers.
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And Australia is nothing more than America's b***h.
It's back to America my friend.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 02:15)
Hmmm, I thought America is in decline, but if Australia is nothing more than America's b***h, than I must be wrong. Thanks Peggy for illuminating us.
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Winston ! That is exactly what we Albanians want so you can keep laughing !!!!!
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"I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting."
Winston
Winston are you making it up? Are you truly sincere?
Don't forget that the recognition of a small country counts just as much as the recognition of a big one like Brazil or India would do.
Anyway I warmly congratulate Kosova for #71. Before my vacation the number stood at 69. I am just wondering who was #70.
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We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
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Here we go. Nr.71
Next pelase...!
Even without government we are able to attract recognitions. worldwide.
This is another victory for Jeremic and co.
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I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting. Is this the best Hillary can do? What a disgraceful, and ineffective attempt at diplomacy. Forcing/bribing, a tiny island nation, floating in the middle of the Pacific, to recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo is about as low as you can get by the US State Dept. Well, at least the K Albanians will have another place to travel to Kiribati, and seek economic asylum.
(winston, 25 October 2010 16:22)
As laughable as it may be for you, Kiribati with 98000 people has one vote in UN just like India with 1 billion.
Thank you Kiribati. The imagination support for Serbia is down to 121. More recognitions to come.
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Good job Kiribati. Kiribati: 98 thousand people in the middle of the ocean. Independent. UN member (?). Sun and sea and fishing all day long. No neighbors with a superiority complex. It is true that some people are luckier than others. By the way, wikipedia says they had a president named Tito. Maybe an old acquaintance of ours?
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thank you republic of kiribati
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The serbian list is shrinking...
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Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
(IUPM, 25 October 2010 17:48)
And what is the reason they would not recognize?
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"I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics."
winston
"Impotent player" with 70 colonies? I recall that each recognizing country so far was called "an American colony" by Serbian posters.
Not bad to have 70 colonies for an impotent country. Can you name any other country who nowadays has even a much smaller number of colonies? And for the US the number 70 of colonies is not final!!
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
(winston, 25 October 2010 17:45)
Strange you find it so funny, I have a feeling it is actually eating you up inside. 70% of the worlds economies already recognize Kosovo so it is time to focus on numbers.
It is just one less that you can claim supports Serbia.
But I would say the bigger question is why would they have sided with Serbia? they have nothing in common with Serbia.
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Ok here it is. Some of you say that Micronesia is a pile of sand with no importance whatsoever.
I may or may not agree with you.
However, in this case it is important.
Should the news read: Micronesia has stated that they WILL never recognise Kosovo, team Serbia would have posted different comments.
Enjoy Kosovo!!
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Another embarrassment for Team Albania.
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
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It's only the land surface area of Kiribati that's small - it controls 1.3 million miles of ocean (fishing rights, mineral rights) in its Exclusion Economic Zone - the area 200 miles from the shore of each of its scattered islands. It's the largest such zone in the Pacific. (The reason why Slovenia is fighting so doggedly for that little piece of land - it comes with economic rights to a much larger body of water.) They've made the part of the area the world's largest MPA - Marine Protected Area - in an effort to preserve world fish stocks. (The New England Aquarium was involved, so we have a local connection to Kiribati, Nenad-from-Boston.)
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"We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
(KOSO, 25 October 2010 16:18)"
Taiwan said it recognised Kosovo but Kosovo, quite sensibly, refused to return the favour, as "China is an important country." The "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" (a kind of equivalent of the "Serbian Republic in Bosnia") has not recognised Kosovo. And even if it did, Kosovo again would, quite sensibly, not return the favour.
It is OK to be happy about one more UN vote, but this is more of the same: Kiribati is another US Pacific colony. Breaking through important barriers in the world is what Kosovo/a has not yet done, with the exception of a couple of countries such as Malaysia and a couple of Arab states.
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I am laughing so hard, my stomach is hurting. Is this the best Hillary can do? What a disgraceful, and ineffective attempt at diplomacy. Forcing/bribing, a tiny island nation, floating in the middle of the Pacific, to recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo is about as low as you can get by the US State Dept. Well, at least the K Albanians will have another place to travel to Kiribati, and seek economic asylum.
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Are you kidding me...MicroSomething in BFI is as important as China, Russian, India or Brazil? Yet, why is it that any country opposed to albanian expansionism is ridiculed at every oportunity...such as Slovakia. From what I recall, good ridance prevailed as the theme of the day from our peace loving albanian bloggers when Slovakia held firm NOT to recognize your illegal terrorist colony.
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Just to clear the deck:
USA/Kosovo: 70 countries
Russia's puppet states in Causasus: 3
Epic American victory, Epic Russian fail.
Cheers!
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Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
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Kiribati, niko te neznati. I agree with Winston, this is actually embarrassing for the US and Kosova's Albanians. Is this the best that your patron USA can do for you?
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I laughing at the sheer ineptitude of Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept., that can only coerce tiny islands in the Pacific, to recognize an K Albanian UDI. I am laughing, and enjoying, the fact that the once mighty America, is slowly becoming an impotent player in world politics. Joe, you can celebrate this major diplomatic tidal wave for Pristina, but I will continue to laugh - sincerely.
(winston, 25 October 2010 17:45)
If you really want to have a good laugh check comments under yesterday's article about Troicki's ATP title victory.Seems that paranoia has no limits.
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
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They have never heard of you before? Just a thought.
Mrs. Clinton is off her game. Is this the best she could do? Didn't Sediju say there was going to be many recognitions straight after ICJ opinion? Is this it?
We are scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Mrs. Clinton herself could not do anything more, imagine how incompetent her staff is then.
That's why Winston was laughing so much and I believe that he was laughing and not hurting inside like some of you think. The whole thing is either funny because it's so sad for you.
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Well well well.
This is a win/win situation.
The Serbs are happy (laughing) and the Albanians are cheering.
Good news for all then!
Slowly but steady we are gaining ground.
Each recognition is a boost for Kosova.
I love Kosova!
cheers
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"Can anyone explain why a little pacific island like Kiributi would recognize an independent Kosovo? If it wasn't US's arm twisting, or out-right paying for a recognition, then why would Kiributi do this?
(IUPM, 25 October 2010 17:48)"
Kiribati is an island nation (it covers an area equal to about 1/3 of the continental U.S.) and will be one of those that will suffer the most, and will suffer soonest, from global warming. Kiribati may appreciate Kosovo's installation of wind turbines to help slow the process. (A guess, I admit.) Or maybe, with the port rights Albania has given them, they plan to take up fishing in a serious way and want to make sure than can get a license to some of the best fishing areas on earth?
BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
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Kiribati is an island nation (it covers an area equal to about 1/3 of the continental U.S.) and will be one of those that will suffer the most, and will suffer soonest, from global warming. Kiribati may appreciate Kosovo's installation of wind turbines to help slow the process. (A guess, I admit.) Or maybe, with the port rights Albania has given them, they plan to take up fishing in a serious way and want to make sure than can get a license to some of the best fishing areas on earth?
BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
(Amer, 25 October 2010 22:27)
I never got to thank you, Amer, for posting the NYT link about Mladic. it basically supported everything we've been saying: he's still 'hiding' in belgrade(duh), the blg regime(s) have harbored him, or made the most mushy-pushy stabs at "searching," there'll be no results w/out intl tough love... however they added some tantalizing specifics. just one (rhetorical) question -- why can't we see such pieces in serbia's "democratic" media? it's a real problem, a real lacking...
anyway, congratulations to the people of Kosova on recognition #71 -- and to our frnds and allies around the world. every single recognition we gain is accompanied here by a host of spinners: oh, its US imperialism, oh its this, oh its small, oh its big, oh its not impt, oh who cares? well who cares about your sorry spinning?! we will soon be up to 100 recognitions, and still going strong, our "quasi-state."
as for the continuing tormenting of the people of kosova, you don't know it, but it all comes back to strike you in the arse. you think serbia will gain top status as the rest of her neighbors are brought to their knees. but you will see just the opposite.
thank you, again, to our frnds and allies around the world! who cares of their nationality or religion.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
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Kiribati??
Has anyone ever even heard of this sand pit?
I guess this is part of the new wave of recognitions huh?
I think there are more people living in my suburb than in this tiny rock.
Seriously, couldnt the US afford a more credible nation?
I guess the economic crisis is hitting Uncle Sam a lot harder than we thought! :-)
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We're now at 71 UN members plus Taiwan & Turkish Cyprus (TRC)
(KOSO, 25 October 2010 16:18)
So when will Kosovo recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
When will the US recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
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pss,
Please tell me why Kosovo can leave Serbia against Seriban constitution. While Taiwan, Tibet cannot leave China against Chinese constituion?
Remember millions (!) died in Tibet?
What is the false parallel?
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
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"The serbian list is shrinking..." (Mirel from Albania)
-- Something tells me Belgrade can live without Kirbati's support. Much like they can live without Somalia's or Swaziland's. In fact, I doubt Kirbati's recognition will produce anything other than cyber-banter.
Weren't you the one a few weeks ago calling Slovakia "scum" because of their refusal to recognize?
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
(passing by, 25 October 2010 23:02)
And how do you know that? Or is just the typical Serbian speculation about thinks they don't like to hear and see?
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And what is the reason they would not recognize?
(Mark, 25 October 2010 18:54)
BECAUSE, they don't even know where Kosovo is!
(passing by, 25 October 2010 23:02)
come on, be serious... they don't have any idea where Kosovo, Serbia or, for that matter, Europe is...
However, they are 0.52% of the UN. Kosovo has already the recognitions of more than 70% of world's GDP. If somebody wants numbers, there you have it with the island of Kiribati. Kiribati matters on paper.
What matters in reality for Kosovo is the recognition of the European countries that count. Those were the ones that made Kosovo's independence possible.
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Just to clear the deck:
USA/Kosovo: 70 countries
Russia's puppet states in Causasus: 3
Epic American victory, Epic Russian fail.
Cheers!
(JohnC., 25 October 2010 23:12)
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USA/Kosova 70. The rest of the world 122.
Now that's how you should be comparing.
I have no idea what you were trying to say.
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The serbian list is shrinking...
(Mirel from Albania)
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What does Mircronesia have to do with Serbia. I didnt know Micronesia was a country untill I saw that Nestea comercial a few years back.
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192- 71=121,who is adding and who is reducing? do not laugh because serbia will some day add up to the numbers too.never say never.
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well, if some of our dear k-albanian friends see this as a "win-win-situation" let them believe it!
on the other hand, I´d say that every single "recognition" of such a micro-"state" is rather more showing that the greater albanian project is doomed to fail!
when the "one and only global superpower can only force these tiny little island-states to "recognize" you, don´t you hear the bells ringing???
I am really astonished about this level of naivety, since everything is directing in the other direction my dear friends, but if you think to have reason to cheer about that, then just do it! that´s always better than attacking bathing children with automatic rifles or burning down serb churches and monasteries or desecrating serb cemeteries.
not that we are used to it by the hand of albanian extremists already...
but nevertheless, if you are cheering, you´re not rioting - and thats at least a minimum of behaviour one can expect of you in southern Serbia.
no matter what those "friends" of yours are telling you - you are about to lose. you will lose, very likely, and if you do not read the signs of time soon enough, you will lose everything.
but then that will be only your own fault.
Serbia will prevail! let´s just see what future brings...
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BTW, it's Pacolli who should receive the credit, not Hillary - who gets to spend time in places like Moscow and Kabul rather than the balmy islands of the South Pacific.
(Amer, 25 October 2010 22:27)
You are probably right, I completely forgot Pacolli and was wondering what the heck, why now and why Kiribati. That explains. Clinton & Co. don't care less at this moment but that serves them well.
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"Impotent player" with 70 colonies? I recall that each recognizing country so far was called "an American colony" by Serbian posters.
Not bad to have 70 colonies for an impotent country.
(Joe, 25 October 2010 19:45)
Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
If you do not know, this is Pacolli:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behgjet_Pacolli
From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it. According some posters here, this is fine. They say, as long as they serve the purpose - such methods can be justified. I am not sure about that.
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Wow! Congratulations! The 2nd state in the impressive "wave" of recognitions, after the ICJ ruling. Perfectly in line with the all the other important and glorious who recently recognized Kosovo, namely Somalia, Djibuti, the Kingdom of Swaziland, and not to forget, the island state of Vanuatu!
Hmm, was Kiribati with a population of some 100,000 the smallest country so far?
And, of course, my next holiday will be in Kiribati! I heard there will be a direct flight from Pristina to this beautiful holiday region established very soon!
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Next we will hear Walmart and
McDonalds have also recognised
Kosovo.
Regards Branko
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I object: for a fact-packed 12 lines on the significance of Kiribatu, I was awarded only 59 minuses, while Simpatiku and KU got 98 and 96, respectively, for a mere 4 and 7 lines, respectively. (Joe got 107 minuses, but then, he usually does well.)
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Seriously, couldnt the US afford a more credible nation?
I guess the economic crisis is hitting Uncle Sam a lot harder than we thought! :-)
(Predrag, 26 October 2010 07:31)
U.S. is a bystander with that, it's what Pacolli can afford and convince. Let him try to convince this country:
http://bucultureshock.com/?p=3536
because as poor as that country is, they have a very different approach to the life, money is less important there.
I bet a bottle of Медовуха against "Konjak Skenderbeu" that Pacolli will be kicked in the rear by these Buddhist monks, LOL.
That wins:
http://tinyurl.com/2ev8s7b
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71/192
According to the West up until end of 2009 ... over 150 countries should of recognized Kosovo. FAIL!!!
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN end of story.
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When will the US recognize Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan?
(Ron, 25 October 2010 23:07)
Probably when they adopt the Ron's guidebook to International Interactions, a distorted sense of paralells.
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And how do you know that? Or is just the typical Serbian speculation about thinks they don't like to hear and see?
(Mark, 26 October 2010 00:54)
I'm not Serbian, but logically thinking, I cannot imagine for somebody on the remote island taking such an action without significant stimulus.
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I object: for a fact-packed 12 lines on the significance of Kiribatu, I was awarded only 59 minuses, while Simpatiku and KU got 98 and 96, respectively, for a mere 4 and 7 lines, respectively. (Joe got 107 minuses, but then, he usually does well.)
(Amer, 26 October 2010 03:48)
Straight answer:
1) because most of the time the originators of such ratings don't even bother to read. They rate according the principe "ours versus theirs".
2) because one single individual with some technical knowledge can issue as many ratings as he wants.
Hence (1+2) these are highly irrelevant.
Let's put it in a positive light: the fine city of Trollhätten is a wonderful, multi-cultural place. Unfortunately it's the SAAB car factory what Trollhätten is (still) famous for. B92 forum is not there yet.
Otherwise I like your posts even that I disagree today with most what you write. Probably 30 years ago I would agree with what you write... things changed for worse.
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From article:
"71 UN member states have thus far recognized the Kosovo Albanian UDI, which Belgrade rejected as an illegal act of secession."
Wait! I thought that secession was a totally separate issue from the UDI! Now, we are being told that the UDI was an act of secession? Careful with this one, since the ICJ ruled the UDI as being legal... If you call the UDI an act of secession, you are calling the secession legal (and nobody really cares whether Serbia agrees with the ICJ, particularly since by asking the ICJ to rule on the case, even a 'non-binding' ruling, Serbia acknowledged the ICJ's authority in the case).
On the other hand, I do agree that this is not all that newsworthy, since the country recognizing Kosovo is 1/20th the population of Kosovo...
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much ado about nothing... all these comments for the recognition from Kiribati, my God !
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Then think about it harder. It'll come to you. Did you finally look up "pacify"?
(JohnnyC, 27 October 2010 07:56)
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I already gave you the definition of pacify but you chose to omit that and only repeat my question.
Don't play silly buggers.
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Hi, Ataman - long time no see.
"Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
...
From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it."
You obviously have sources I don't if you know of Pacolli bragging about recognitions obtained via bribes. (Don't bother responding with examples of simple bragging on his part, they're too common to count.) Question: if it's so easy to do this under the radar, with no exposure, why hasn't Russia been able to do it for AbSo? In the 3 cases where they were successful, we know all the details. Is Pacolli that much more clever? Richer? The South Pacific paradise that Russia was in fact able to buy is notorious for selling recognitions (it's gone back and forth on Taiwan), so I suppose that one is a possibility, but I doubt there have been as many direct sales as you suggest. Which is not to say there hasn't been "competition" - Bangladesh ended up with some Russian-built nuclear power stations, despite newspaper editorials urging recognition of a fellow Muslim country, and constant pressure from the US ambassador. (He bragged about it.
"Probably 30 years ago I would agree with what you write... things changed for worse.
(Ataman, 26 October 2010 13:13) "
I blame it all on the end of Communism, which was a great thing for America, while it lasted. (Would the South ever have agreed to civil rights for Negroes if it hadn't been for the USSR harping about lynchings in the US?) Workers were decently treated because 1) they were the only workers we had and 2) capitalists were in a competition with the USSR to demonstrate that workers did better under them than under the tyrannical role of the vanguard of the proletariat. Then the capitalists won, and things started going to hell. I'm glad the East European countries regained their freedom, even though these days some may be having fond thoughts about what seemed to be the security of the previous system. A financial crisis that goes on as long as this one is shakes everybody's confidence. The US is turning into a place where the rich are increasingly well protected from everybody else - and the man elected to change things may be good and intelligent, but needs much sharper elbows.
Your partner in gloom,
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"There is significance on paper and real significance. You may want to think about which one you care." (icj1)
-- True. So being recognized by Kirbati and not recognized by Lesotho are equally insignificant.
Not being recognized by Spain, Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, South Africa, Israel, Ukraine, Egypt, and Nigeria - consistently - are somewhat less significant though. Both on paper and real. Particularly in light of events following your screen name.
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Now that's how you should be comparing.
I have no idea what you were trying to say.
(Peggy, 26 October 2010 00:25)
Then think about it harder. It'll come to you. Did you finally look up "pacify"?
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guys, you need to make up your mind. When Kosovo is recognized by an insignificant country (say Kiribati), than the recognition is insignificant. However, when Kosovo is not recognized by an insignificant country (say Lesotho), then the non-recognition is significant (or so we heard when Vuk announced this achievement with gran fanfare).
There is significance on paper and real significance. You may want to think about which one you care.
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KOSOVO IS SERBIAN end of story.
(KOSJOKE, 27 October 2010 07:23)
Yep, you're right... that story really ended some three years ago
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Hi, Ataman - long time no see.
"Simple: Kiribati and alike is what Pacolli's money can bribe.
...
From the seventy-odd countries on the recognition list probably 10-15 were bribed by this businessman and he does not make a big secret out of it."
You obviously have sources I don't if you know of Pacolli bragging about recognitions obtained via bribes.
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
Yes, he did - justified or not. Probably justified.
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Question: if it's so easy to do this under the radar, with no exposure, why hasn't Russia been able to do it for AbSo?
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
Very good question, also why neither Serbia nor Russia did bribe countries to withdraw the recognitions? I think, one man who reports to no one can be more successful than the team of bureaucrats. Happens in the software industry a lot of time - there are monsters like Microsoft Office and some little gems competing with it. Recently discovered the little TextMate, what a gem. Why can't Apple make such programmer's editor for the XCode? Just because, being big is sometimes a disadvantage.
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I blame it all on the end of Communism
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
It's not ended, it's all there, just in other form. The "West" is a wonderful partner with the nomenclatura, sharing the profits. Nomenclatura transferred itself wonderfully.
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The US is turning into a place where the rich are increasingly well protected from everybody else - and the man elected to change things may be good and intelligent, but needs much sharper elbows.
Your partner in gloom,
(Amer, 26 October 2010 21:13)
He can't do much against the establishment :(
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Na...na ..na.na..naaa
My next vacation ?? =Micronesia islands.
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I have been to Kiribati and I would not be saying the US had anything to do with the recognition. I would be questioning Australia. Kiribati uses the Australian dollar and also Australia is a big aid donor. There is no US Embassy in Kiribati but there is an Australian one. Do not forget Australia was in the first dozen or so countries to recognise Kosovo.
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There is no US Embassy in Kiribati but there is an Australian one. Do not forget Australia was in the first dozen or so countries to recognise Kosovo.
(TheTraveller, 29 October 2010 15:28)
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And Australia is nothing more than America's b***h.
It's back to America my friend.
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And Australia is nothing more than America's b***h.
It's back to America my friend.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 02:15)
Hmmm, I thought America is in decline, but if Australia is nothing more than America's b***h, than I must be wrong. Thanks Peggy for illuminating us.
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