European court fines Russia over gay parades

The European Court of Human Rights will fine Moscow - what am I missing here? What jurisdiction does this court have in the internal affairs of Russia? Russia is not in the EU, last time I looked. Gay pride parades aside, but the EU is behaving like the US, in believing they can impose their views on anyone and anything in the world.

I'm still waiting for the First Annual Pristina Gay and Lesbian Pride Day parade to be announced. If the West is so demanding that Serbia, and now Russia respect gay rights, then it must certainly want the Kosovo Albanians to do the same. Independent Kosova, is after all, the West's invention.

I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?

Doesn't this European court have anything better to do than pronounce sentence over gay parades?

It is so eager to champion the rights of gays to publicize themselves. And blissfully turned a blind eye on far worse human rights abuses by the Yankees and their European Nato lackeys in places like Afghanistan aka collateral damage.

rights, then it must certainly want the Kosovo Albanians to do the same. Independent Kosova, is after all, the West's invention.
(quasistate, 22 October 2010 17:00)

No the plan is to held it first in Jeddah...

I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?
(JohnnyC, 22 October 2010 15:10)
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Ummm, somehow I don't think so. This looks like a "made for BBC TV" ruling.

I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?
(JohnnyC, 22 October 2010, 15:10)

Good question, I was wondering the same thing myself.

In Russia ONLY Russian laws count!
Would Russia in 1941 followed the ruling of the Nazi Reichsgerichtshof that demanded it to withdraw its troops to the Urals to give the Germans much needed Lebensraum?
Well of course NOT because they were not out of their mind.
Screw the gayliberal ,leftists Europeans,nobody likes them,even the American conservative Reagan or Tea Party followers are much more sympathic to me than the commies from the EUSSR!

I guess Moscovites, the eople, will have to take inspiration from their southern Slavic Orthodox kin if their leaders go against traditional mainstream values.

"The European Court of Human Rights is the court of final appeal for citizens who can't get justice in their domestic courts - it only responds to appeals, it does not bring charges on its own. (Membership by countries is voluntary.) Russia is responsible for the most cases by far. In this particular case, the man who has been trying to organize gay parades for years accused Russia of discrimination and of restricting his right of association and his right to effective legal protection. He was awarded 12,000 euros as "moral damages" and 17,510 euros for legal costs. Russia was also told to change its laws. [link]
(Amer, 22 October 2010 19:09)"

While I understand your response, I am also left wondering where the authority is. As far as I am aware, not international court anywhere in the world can dictate to a country what parades they allow and what parades they do not. Can you imagine this court fining Iran for not allowing gay parades? Can they condemn a practice? Of course! Can they fine them and force payment? Of course not. This is clearly a political ploy meant for the media.

As Russia is a member of the Council of Europe, it's legal organ the European Court of Human rights has jurisdiction over Russia. Russia said it was willing to follow their laws on human rights when it joined the Council of Europe in February 1996; however because Russia has violated some of the laws regarding homosexual rights, Russia has consequently been fined. Hopefully this fine will make Russia improve it's human rights and make it a freer country.

"I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?
(JohnnyC, 22 October 2010 15:10) "

The European Court of Human Rights is the court of final appeal for citizens who can't get justice in their domestic courts - it only responds to appeals, it does not bring charges on its own. (Membership by countries is voluntary.) Russia is responsible for the most cases by far. In this particular case, the man who has been trying to organize gay parades for years accused Russia of discrimination and of restricting his right of association and his right to effective legal protection. He was awarded 12,000 euros as "moral damages" and 17,510 euros for legal costs. Russia was also told to change its laws. http://www.nr2.ru/society/305661.html

"While I understand your response, I am also left wondering where the authority is. As far as I am aware, not international court anywhere in the world can dictate to a country what parades they allow and what parades they do not. Can you imagine this court fining Iran for not allowing gay parades? Can they condemn a practice? Of course! Can they fine them and force payment? Of course not. This is clearly a political ploy meant for the media.
(Patrik, 22 October 2010 20:19) "

Russia agreed to be bound by the Court's rulings in 1996 when it was intent on becoming a normal, European country: Russia gave it the authority.

The Court doesn't rule on what type of parades can be held, but on whether a state has violated the human and civil rights of a citizen.
I imagine the Serbian government had the possibility of Serb citizens appealing a decision to disallow a gay parade in mind when they let it go ahead, against the vociferous objections of many of its citizens. Being taken to the ECHR would not have looked good on their EU application.

I too cannot image the Court fining Iran, which is not a European country and hasn't agreed to allow its citizens to appeal to the Court.

As far as being able to fine a country, they've done it in nearly 100 cases where Russia has lost, for example in cases of torture and extra-judicial killings in Chechnya.


"In Russia ONLY Russian laws count!

(CG, 22 October 2010 20:34) "

Fortunately for its citizens, this is not so.

Oh dear oh dear. I think it is time for Europe (and the USA too) to taste some of their own medicine. I wonder how well received a Muslim parade down the streets of Amsterdam, or New York, or London would go over. Or perhaps a joint Muslim and Roma parade in Paris.
Why not let the KKK lose down 5th Avenue.
The West speaks of freedoms, through one side of their mouths, and tries to remove them from the other side.
The NYC new mosque, near "ground ZERO" kerfuffle, or Star-Cozy's expulsion of Roma, or the "is-it-a-hate-crime-or-is-it-free-speech" deliberation in Holland.
Yes, we know, that the gay societies in USA, France and Holland are as free as they want to be, but not everyone there is.
But Russia is not fining France, or Holland or USA for their horrible treatment of their immigrants. Sure, they're let into the West, but are forced to change who they are, to adopt the new customs, to abandon where they came from. Perhaps Russians would like to have their homosexual population change who they are as well.

"Sure, they're let into the West, but are forced to change who they are, to adopt the new customs, to abandon where they came from. Perhaps Russians would like to have their homosexual population change who they are as well.
(jimmie, 23 October 2010 2:35)
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They weren't forced to join - if they wanted to admit they had nothing in common with Europe, especially its values, they could have stayed outside the club.

I guess Moscovites, the eople, will have to take inspiration from their southern Slavic Orthodox kin if their leaders go against traditional mainstream values.

"I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?
(JohnnyC, 22 October 2010 15:10) "

The European Court of Human Rights is the court of final appeal for citizens who can't get justice in their domestic courts - it only responds to appeals, it does not bring charges on its own. (Membership by countries is voluntary.) Russia is responsible for the most cases by far. In this particular case, the man who has been trying to organize gay parades for years accused Russia of discrimination and of restricting his right of association and his right to effective legal protection. He was awarded 12,000 euros as "moral damages" and 17,510 euros for legal costs. Russia was also told to change its laws. http://www.nr2.ru/society/305661.html

In Russia ONLY Russian laws count!
Would Russia in 1941 followed the ruling of the Nazi Reichsgerichtshof that demanded it to withdraw its troops to the Urals to give the Germans much needed Lebensraum?
Well of course NOT because they were not out of their mind.
Screw the gayliberal ,leftists Europeans,nobody likes them,even the American conservative Reagan or Tea Party followers are much more sympathic to me than the commies from the EUSSR!

I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?
(JohnnyC, 22 October 2010 15:10)
--
Ummm, somehow I don't think so. This looks like a "made for BBC TV" ruling.

Oh dear oh dear. I think it is time for Europe (and the USA too) to taste some of their own medicine. I wonder how well received a Muslim parade down the streets of Amsterdam, or New York, or London would go over. Or perhaps a joint Muslim and Roma parade in Paris.
Why not let the KKK lose down 5th Avenue.
The West speaks of freedoms, through one side of their mouths, and tries to remove them from the other side.
The NYC new mosque, near "ground ZERO" kerfuffle, or Star-Cozy's expulsion of Roma, or the "is-it-a-hate-crime-or-is-it-free-speech" deliberation in Holland.
Yes, we know, that the gay societies in USA, France and Holland are as free as they want to be, but not everyone there is.
But Russia is not fining France, or Holland or USA for their horrible treatment of their immigrants. Sure, they're let into the West, but are forced to change who they are, to adopt the new customs, to abandon where they came from. Perhaps Russians would like to have their homosexual population change who they are as well.

I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?

The European Court of Human Rights will fine Moscow - what am I missing here? What jurisdiction does this court have in the internal affairs of Russia? Russia is not in the EU, last time I looked. Gay pride parades aside, but the EU is behaving like the US, in believing they can impose their views on anyone and anything in the world.

Doesn't this European court have anything better to do than pronounce sentence over gay parades?

It is so eager to champion the rights of gays to publicize themselves. And blissfully turned a blind eye on far worse human rights abuses by the Yankees and their European Nato lackeys in places like Afghanistan aka collateral damage.

I'm still waiting for the First Annual Pristina Gay and Lesbian Pride Day parade to be announced. If the West is so demanding that Serbia, and now Russia respect gay rights, then it must certainly want the Kosovo Albanians to do the same. Independent Kosova, is after all, the West's invention.

"The European Court of Human Rights is the court of final appeal for citizens who can't get justice in their domestic courts - it only responds to appeals, it does not bring charges on its own. (Membership by countries is voluntary.) Russia is responsible for the most cases by far. In this particular case, the man who has been trying to organize gay parades for years accused Russia of discrimination and of restricting his right of association and his right to effective legal protection. He was awarded 12,000 euros as "moral damages" and 17,510 euros for legal costs. Russia was also told to change its laws. [link]
(Amer, 22 October 2010 19:09)"

While I understand your response, I am also left wondering where the authority is. As far as I am aware, not international court anywhere in the world can dictate to a country what parades they allow and what parades they do not. Can you imagine this court fining Iran for not allowing gay parades? Can they condemn a practice? Of course! Can they fine them and force payment? Of course not. This is clearly a political ploy meant for the media.

"While I understand your response, I am also left wondering where the authority is. As far as I am aware, not international court anywhere in the world can dictate to a country what parades they allow and what parades they do not. Can you imagine this court fining Iran for not allowing gay parades? Can they condemn a practice? Of course! Can they fine them and force payment? Of course not. This is clearly a political ploy meant for the media.
(Patrik, 22 October 2010 20:19) "

Russia agreed to be bound by the Court's rulings in 1996 when it was intent on becoming a normal, European country: Russia gave it the authority.

The Court doesn't rule on what type of parades can be held, but on whether a state has violated the human and civil rights of a citizen.
I imagine the Serbian government had the possibility of Serb citizens appealing a decision to disallow a gay parade in mind when they let it go ahead, against the vociferous objections of many of its citizens. Being taken to the ECHR would not have looked good on their EU application.

I too cannot image the Court fining Iran, which is not a European country and hasn't agreed to allow its citizens to appeal to the Court.

As far as being able to fine a country, they've done it in nearly 100 cases where Russia has lost, for example in cases of torture and extra-judicial killings in Chechnya.


"In Russia ONLY Russian laws count!

(CG, 22 October 2010 20:34) "

Fortunately for its citizens, this is not so.

I am completely out of my league here. Does the European Court of Human Rights have the jurisdiction to fine Russia on this?
(JohnnyC, 22 October 2010, 15:10)

Good question, I was wondering the same thing myself.

As Russia is a member of the Council of Europe, it's legal organ the European Court of Human rights has jurisdiction over Russia. Russia said it was willing to follow their laws on human rights when it joined the Council of Europe in February 1996; however because Russia has violated some of the laws regarding homosexual rights, Russia has consequently been fined. Hopefully this fine will make Russia improve it's human rights and make it a freer country.

"Sure, they're let into the West, but are forced to change who they are, to adopt the new customs, to abandon where they came from. Perhaps Russians would like to have their homosexual population change who they are as well.
(jimmie, 23 October 2010 2:35)
"
They weren't forced to join - if they wanted to admit they had nothing in common with Europe, especially its values, they could have stayed outside the club.

rights, then it must certainly want the Kosovo Albanians to do the same. Independent Kosova, is after all, the West's invention.
(quasistate, 22 October 2010 17:00)

No the plan is to held it first in Jeddah...