Brammertz calls for Mladić's arrest

Winston,

How about you provide us with a convincing essay on why the Serbian judicial system would have been up to the task of trying Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, etc? No corruption/conflicts of interest there, eh?

And Milosevic's poor health, smoking and fondness for viljamovka had absolutely nothing to do with his heart attack, right? And there's absolutely no chance that Milan Babic could've been suicidal after his remorseful apology to Croats, correct?

The Hague a failure? Really? How come all the rants about the lengthy sentences meted out to Serbs, then? Why don't you try adding up all the years to be served by Krstic, Galic, Martic, Pavkovic, etc?

Comments like yours are nothing more than childish rants. Go on, tell us why a Serbian court would've been more fit to carry justice than the ICTY.

Brammertz, like most western politicians, sees only Serbs as "war criminals." That, of course, is no surprise. After all, the WWII allies fought a 'clean' war with only Germans and the axis soldiers and politicians committing any violations. And does anyone notice how the European (and most western leaning Balkan) politicians have a certain 'look?' All seem so 'lawyerly' - or gay!

Brammertz and Inzko, two soon to be unemployed Eurocrats, good riddance! I detect some desperation in Serge's statements lately, is it maybe because his court will be viewed as a failure? The never brought a conviction on Milosevic, he was never proven guilty. Mladic, the big fish, cannot be caught. IMHO, hopefully it will remain that way. The West is as dirty as anyone that committed a war crime in the Balkan wars, yet have set themselves up as the beacons of justice. Give me a break. Serge, your court if is biased, and crooked, and the sooner its doors are shut, the better.

A Serbian court may not have been more impartial in trying Milosevic, than the Hague. I was not suggesting that. I am saying that this kangaroo was set up to mainly prosecute Serbs, as they have done. There are war criminals walking around in Pristina, former KLA, that have been give a "hands off" status. Why? And why are Interpol arrest warrants for Ceku not respected? Why is he off hands also? There are far too fewer Muslims and Croats serving sentences that Serbs, why? I will tell you. Because the West backed the Muslims and Croats, that's why. As for Milosevic dying in the Hague, I don't know what his personal habits were, I am saying that he was never convicted, so I am sorry, Nenad, he was not found guilty, much to your chagrin. And to be a truly impartial court, why were there no supporters of Serbia on this court. Why were there no Russians? The chief prosecutor was hand-picked by Albright. What does that tell you? So don't get all high and mighty, and upity with me. You cannot say in all honesty that the West was lenient with whoever faught Serbia, and came down hard on all Serbs.

Brammertz, I suggest you put on a backpack, some hiking boots, rent some bloodhounds, and go to Bosnia/Serbia and look for Mladic yourself, if yopu are so sure he is hiding there. Your weekly pleas for Mladic's arrest are really getting boring. As for his arrest being a pre-condition for Serbia joining the EU, I say, Great! In that case I hope he is never found. BTW, Serge, are you going to look into Albanian organ-harvesting? It's in the news again, don't you think there may be some truth to it? Or are you just interested in bringing Serbs to justice?

I recommend Mladic's diary as rehabilitative reading.

Pozdrav,
Nenad
(Nenad, 19 October 2010 23:14)
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Pity Gotovina, Ceku, Haradinaj, Thaci, Oric and countless others who slipped under the radar didn't keep diaries.

So you wouldn't mind seeing more non Serbs on trial but since there isn't let's lock up all the Serbs we can anyway and at the same time we won't make a fuss about the others not being there too.
Please enough of Serbia starting four wars rubbish. Serbia didn't start anything. Show me how Serbia started wars. Serbia started a war by Slovenia declaring independence? That was an act of war by Serbia? Same with Croatia and who fired the first shot in Bosnia and who was the first casualty.
Get your facts straight.

Winston,

Yes, I overreacted a bit - probably because of what I'm used to reading on this site.

But still, if you were to rate the ICTY on a scale of 1-10, you'd at least have to give it a 5. The Belgrade legal system at the time the ICTY was established in 1993 probably would have scored a 1 in any impartial, authoritative assessment. Russia's legal system wouldn't have scored much better at that time -- not even now -- so that could be the reason Russia hasn't been given much of a role at the ICTY. Anyway, where else were these trials supposed to take place?

And yes, there's been bias and bungling and yes, the West is made up of dirty players, but does all that justify freedom for Mladic?
And aren't such factors unavoidable in any scenario?

I'd love to see more non-Serb suspects on trial but the fact that there aren't as many doesn't mean that Serbs shouldn't be tried. And I think the reason there are so many more Serbs on trial is that the Serbs were the most active party in the breakup of former YU (three, arguably four, wars) and possessed the most military might (in the beginning, at least). And name one atrocity from the 1990s Balkan wars that even comes close to the sheer horror of Srebrenica (I won't accept Krajina, because most were allowed to leave with their lives) and involved so many participants (politicians, military, police -- undoubtedly from two countries).

So while I understand some of your grievances, I don't agree with your overall position. Sorry for getting uppity with you but I get tired of Serbs' posts that do nothing but add to the lousy reputation that Serbs already have. These posts are too long on passion and propaganda and too short on facts and perspective.

I recommend Mladic's diary as rehabilitative reading.

Pozdrav,
Nenad

"And why are Interpol arrest warrants for Ceku not respected?"

-- Many reasons.
1. There is a court specifically made for former Yugoslavia and they haven't issued any arrest warrant for him.
2. The Interpol arrest warrants are coming from the same country that issued arrest warrants for Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Madeline Albright etc. etc. Meaning that when it comes to Albanians of Kosova the world has understood that Serbia's interpol warrants are not based on impartial court decision but pure bitterness and and an unmaintainable
desire to revenge.
3. Others see Serbia's interpol as a nuisance and foolish when it comes to it dealing with Kosova Albanians seeing that previous arrest warrants have proven time and again to be baseless.

Finally this is not about anger. Come to terms that the state of Serbia was the aggressor and as such it is only logical to have a much higher number of war criminals than anyone else involved. That is reality.

Brammertz, I suggest you put on a backpack, some hiking boots, rent some bloodhounds, and go to Bosnia/Serbia and look for Mladic yourself, if yopu are so sure he is hiding there. Your weekly pleas for Mladic's arrest are really getting boring. As for his arrest being a pre-condition for Serbia joining the EU, I say, Great! In that case I hope he is never found. BTW, Serge, are you going to look into Albanian organ-harvesting? It's in the news again, don't you think there may be some truth to it? Or are you just interested in bringing Serbs to justice?
(IUPM, 19 October 2010 21:14)
Maybe you are behind the times, If you are talking of the alleged KLA organ harvesting claims,even your own govt has conceded this is not true, of course B92 missed that scoop.
The organ transplant for sale that is in the news is totally different and the culprits have been arrested.

Brammertz and Inzko, two soon to be unemployed Eurocrats, good riddance! I detect some desperation in Serge's statements lately, is it maybe because his court will be viewed as a failure? The never brought a conviction on Milosevic, he was never proven guilty. Mladic, the big fish, cannot be caught. IMHO, hopefully it will remain that way. The West is as dirty as anyone that committed a war crime in the Balkan wars, yet have set themselves up as the beacons of justice. Give me a break. Serge, your court if is biased, and crooked, and the sooner its doors are shut, the better.

Brammertz, like most western politicians, sees only Serbs as "war criminals." That, of course, is no surprise. After all, the WWII allies fought a 'clean' war with only Germans and the axis soldiers and politicians committing any violations. And does anyone notice how the European (and most western leaning Balkan) politicians have a certain 'look?' All seem so 'lawyerly' - or gay!

Winston,

How about you provide us with a convincing essay on why the Serbian judicial system would have been up to the task of trying Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, etc? No corruption/conflicts of interest there, eh?

And Milosevic's poor health, smoking and fondness for viljamovka had absolutely nothing to do with his heart attack, right? And there's absolutely no chance that Milan Babic could've been suicidal after his remorseful apology to Croats, correct?

The Hague a failure? Really? How come all the rants about the lengthy sentences meted out to Serbs, then? Why don't you try adding up all the years to be served by Krstic, Galic, Martic, Pavkovic, etc?

Comments like yours are nothing more than childish rants. Go on, tell us why a Serbian court would've been more fit to carry justice than the ICTY.

"And why are Interpol arrest warrants for Ceku not respected?"

-- Many reasons.
1. There is a court specifically made for former Yugoslavia and they haven't issued any arrest warrant for him.
2. The Interpol arrest warrants are coming from the same country that issued arrest warrants for Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Madeline Albright etc. etc. Meaning that when it comes to Albanians of Kosova the world has understood that Serbia's interpol warrants are not based on impartial court decision but pure bitterness and and an unmaintainable
desire to revenge.
3. Others see Serbia's interpol as a nuisance and foolish when it comes to it dealing with Kosova Albanians seeing that previous arrest warrants have proven time and again to be baseless.

Finally this is not about anger. Come to terms that the state of Serbia was the aggressor and as such it is only logical to have a much higher number of war criminals than anyone else involved. That is reality.

Brammertz, I suggest you put on a backpack, some hiking boots, rent some bloodhounds, and go to Bosnia/Serbia and look for Mladic yourself, if yopu are so sure he is hiding there. Your weekly pleas for Mladic's arrest are really getting boring. As for his arrest being a pre-condition for Serbia joining the EU, I say, Great! In that case I hope he is never found. BTW, Serge, are you going to look into Albanian organ-harvesting? It's in the news again, don't you think there may be some truth to it? Or are you just interested in bringing Serbs to justice?

Winston,

Yes, I overreacted a bit - probably because of what I'm used to reading on this site.

But still, if you were to rate the ICTY on a scale of 1-10, you'd at least have to give it a 5. The Belgrade legal system at the time the ICTY was established in 1993 probably would have scored a 1 in any impartial, authoritative assessment. Russia's legal system wouldn't have scored much better at that time -- not even now -- so that could be the reason Russia hasn't been given much of a role at the ICTY. Anyway, where else were these trials supposed to take place?

And yes, there's been bias and bungling and yes, the West is made up of dirty players, but does all that justify freedom for Mladic?
And aren't such factors unavoidable in any scenario?

I'd love to see more non-Serb suspects on trial but the fact that there aren't as many doesn't mean that Serbs shouldn't be tried. And I think the reason there are so many more Serbs on trial is that the Serbs were the most active party in the breakup of former YU (three, arguably four, wars) and possessed the most military might (in the beginning, at least). And name one atrocity from the 1990s Balkan wars that even comes close to the sheer horror of Srebrenica (I won't accept Krajina, because most were allowed to leave with their lives) and involved so many participants (politicians, military, police -- undoubtedly from two countries).

So while I understand some of your grievances, I don't agree with your overall position. Sorry for getting uppity with you but I get tired of Serbs' posts that do nothing but add to the lousy reputation that Serbs already have. These posts are too long on passion and propaganda and too short on facts and perspective.

I recommend Mladic's diary as rehabilitative reading.

Pozdrav,
Nenad

Brammertz, I suggest you put on a backpack, some hiking boots, rent some bloodhounds, and go to Bosnia/Serbia and look for Mladic yourself, if yopu are so sure he is hiding there. Your weekly pleas for Mladic's arrest are really getting boring. As for his arrest being a pre-condition for Serbia joining the EU, I say, Great! In that case I hope he is never found. BTW, Serge, are you going to look into Albanian organ-harvesting? It's in the news again, don't you think there may be some truth to it? Or are you just interested in bringing Serbs to justice?
(IUPM, 19 October 2010 21:14)
Maybe you are behind the times, If you are talking of the alleged KLA organ harvesting claims,even your own govt has conceded this is not true, of course B92 missed that scoop.
The organ transplant for sale that is in the news is totally different and the culprits have been arrested.

A Serbian court may not have been more impartial in trying Milosevic, than the Hague. I was not suggesting that. I am saying that this kangaroo was set up to mainly prosecute Serbs, as they have done. There are war criminals walking around in Pristina, former KLA, that have been give a "hands off" status. Why? And why are Interpol arrest warrants for Ceku not respected? Why is he off hands also? There are far too fewer Muslims and Croats serving sentences that Serbs, why? I will tell you. Because the West backed the Muslims and Croats, that's why. As for Milosevic dying in the Hague, I don't know what his personal habits were, I am saying that he was never convicted, so I am sorry, Nenad, he was not found guilty, much to your chagrin. And to be a truly impartial court, why were there no supporters of Serbia on this court. Why were there no Russians? The chief prosecutor was hand-picked by Albright. What does that tell you? So don't get all high and mighty, and upity with me. You cannot say in all honesty that the West was lenient with whoever faught Serbia, and came down hard on all Serbs.

I recommend Mladic's diary as rehabilitative reading.

Pozdrav,
Nenad
(Nenad, 19 October 2010 23:14)
=====================

Pity Gotovina, Ceku, Haradinaj, Thaci, Oric and countless others who slipped under the radar didn't keep diaries.

So you wouldn't mind seeing more non Serbs on trial but since there isn't let's lock up all the Serbs we can anyway and at the same time we won't make a fuss about the others not being there too.
Please enough of Serbia starting four wars rubbish. Serbia didn't start anything. Show me how Serbia started wars. Serbia started a war by Slovenia declaring independence? That was an act of war by Serbia? Same with Croatia and who fired the first shot in Bosnia and who was the first casualty.
Get your facts straight.