Albanians try to take down Serbian flag

Jason, I still think that you are a phoney.
Let me explain you why: According to the EULEX staff info there are 81 US officers serving with EULEX; you claim to be one of them. You claim to have been an officer in the armed forces, to have served with UNMIK and to have been deployed in Pec and currently in Mitrovica. And you really think with all this information one isn't able to figure you out? By now media monitoring must be aware of your activities. So either you are terribly arrogant or -as I stated initially- a phoney.

P.S.: How come you have no access to the crime statistics of Pec since you are a EULEX officer?

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17 October 2010 12:52)
So Serbs burning Albanian flag is free/expression, but Albanians burning Serbian flag is different?

Can you imagine if the Americans and Israeli would do the same if a flag of their nation is burned somewhere? We would have riots every day and everywhere in this world. Get a grip and go to work! (if you have it)

It's just like Muhammad cartoon riots. These Muslims, even these nominally secular ones see our state being pushed around by the pro-EU and 'hooligans', so they assume that they can humiliate our state too by raising a ruckus and getting an apology from a state they percieve as weak

"(highduke, 17 October 2010, 12:30)
These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17"

LOL oh jason, no matter how hard you can try to convince yourself that you are "western", your Serb mentality will never fail you.

In recent days, Albanians protested both in Tirana and Priština. In Tirana, Serbian flags were burned on two occasions during the past week.
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Albanians protest the buring of the Albanian flag by burning two Serbian flags? I mean, doesn't anyone else see the stupidity in that?

Serbian hooligans burn a flag and the government condemns it. In most parts of the world the condemnation would end it. Why Albanians continue to provoke is beyond me. Time to get over it I think.

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17 October 2010 12:52)

Do you know the difference between free speach and vandalism/riots,criminal damage/disordely conduct???

albanians act so tough on the net and in albania and kosovo but when they are not in their safe zone they run and hide. and i like the part when the Serb caretaker was going to open the door they all ran away. so whats the point? they came for a reason i guess but they ran away faster than they came. hmmm interesting but anyway, you should go look for jobs and dont worry about some hooligans .

It's just like Muhammad cartoon riots.

(highduke, 17 October 2010, 12:30)

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.

The hooligans that burned the Albanian flag in Genoa were not representatives of the state of Serbia or the Serbian people. In fact, it has been discovered that some were right-wing extremists not just from Serbia, but from neighboring countries, Belgium, Austria and Slovenia. Please see B92 story on "Black International" two days ago http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=15&nav_id=70313
So if you want an apology, Albanians, I would suggest you contact Mr. Bogdanov (arm tattoos), Misters Milovanovic and Obradovic of the group Obraz, and leave the Serbian state and citizens alone. Not to condone the incident, but burning the flags of foreign nations in protest is a constitutional right in democratic countries. It is not a nice act, but it is a right. Why don't Albanians jump up and down in protest when their fellow Muslims burn the American flag all over the world. Isn't America your greatest ally?

"with them chances that Serbia should join the Union of Civilized States"
Ismail

This has to be the joke of the day! Civilized! Where? When? Who?
Action speak louder then words.

American flag gets burned all the time, John. In fact, the right to do so is protected, in America, by American law.

So, to answer your implicit questions "what would Americans do?" They would do nothing.

I would like to have thought one Eye met the other Eye with the first Serb flag burning in Tirana a few days ago. It seems some in the Albanian camp need a nose and an ear. So what happens when another group of Serbs burn another Albanian flag? Maybe we can make it into a weekly marathon? Stupidity has a habit of being contagious.

So... The albanian activists/reactionaries consider EU and NATO membership to be signs of a civilised nation? I do believe they just discounted themselves from membership! Defining factor of these nations? Very few, in fact, none, are muslim nations, unlike....albania! Also, to define whether a nation is civilised by making membership of some organisation compulsory is incredibly shortsighted and arbitrary: Civilisation is based on morals, values, and ethical behaviour. Not something that's been in evidence in albania since the dawn of time, as far as I can tell.
SO the next time the albanians are trying to goad us (Serbs and all who love Serbia, wherever we were born), just think "We're better than you. We always have been, we always will be, and we don't need to stoop to your level".

Fantastic! Not an article from the side of B92 on the hooligans burning the albanian flag in a football match between Serbia and Italy (quite strange, no? it deserved a bit of deepening, no?), but a long and detailed one on a bunch of albanians protestin against it. That's what is called unbiased ;-)
Moreover, not a single comment from the serb side to condemn the act. Well, thank you very much indeed.

in fact,by burning our flag,serbians just help albanians to stand more unite!see facebook,all black and red for our flag!
Once again,you have all wrong!
(lili, 17 October 2010 13:46)

WTF?!

Facebook? Facebook- black and red.., your flag??!

I'm damn sure ALL ALBANIANS of the world have Facebook accounts! Like the fashion- whenever it's expired or out, Albanians will start wearing it.., for years to come.. On the end ALL the accounts will be Albanian except one.., Mark Zuckerberg's. LOL!!

Can you imagine if the Americans and Israeli would do the same if a flag of their nation is burned somewhere? We would have riots every day and everywhere in this world. Get a grip and go to work! (if you have it)
(John, 17 October 2010 11:31)

Ever crossed your mind US and Israel bombed them prior to the flag burning?

"By burning the Albanian flag, the symbols of the EU and NATO were also set on fire and with them chances that Serbia should join the Union of Civilized States”
-Ismail

So......why didn't KLA terrorist attacks in the U.S.A kill the chances of the U.S.A supporting them? It's funny that the Serbian nation and people frown upon the hooligan acts, where the Albanian people applaud Albanian hooligans.

Get a grip and go to work! (if you have it)
(John, 17 October 2010 11:31) how about those 1500 serbian holigans do they have job ore ther job is by burning albanian flag? remember its 2010 not 1999

louiscyphre,

What did your diatribe have to do with this article? Anyway, think whatever makes you happy. It's an anonymous internet forum, so I could be who I say or I could be a 15 year old Serb you have been arguing with:)

Only the weak can fall so low to be influenced by football hooligans. Sad, but it seems that that is how low some Albanians have fallen.

Fantastic! Not an article from the side of B92 on the hooligans burning the albanian flag in a football match between Serbia and Italy (quite strange, no? it deserved a bit of deepening, no?), but a long and detailed one on a bunch of albanians protestin against it. That's what is called unbiased ;-)
Moreover, not a single comment from the serb side to condemn the act. Well, thank you very much indeed.
(Rovena, 17 October 2010 20:52)
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There was an article mentioning it. How did you miss it?

No apology about burning the flag will be coming because many Serbs were butchered because of that flag.
When your lot apologises for the atorcities committed against the Serbs, the ethnic cleansing of Serbs which took place for decades before 1999 and for events of 2004 you might expect an apology, but not a moment sooner.

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17 October 2010 12:52)
So Serbs burning Albanian flag is free/expression, but Albanians burning Serbian flag is different?
(duh, 17 October 2010, 14:38)

No difference at all, its free expression. The reactions to the act is what I am getting at here.

in fact,by burning our flag,serbians just help albanians to stand more unite!see facebook,all black and red for our flag!
Once again,you have all wrong!

"Do you know the difference between free speach and vandalism/riots,criminal damage/disordely conduct???
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 October 2010 13:42) "

Obviously the Yankees don't -- see that Danilo's immediately post below yours.

There was an article mentioning it. How did you miss it?

No apology about burning the flag will be coming because many Serbs were butchered because of that flag.
When your lot apologises for the atorcities committed against the Serbs, the ethnic cleansing of Serbs which took place for decades before 1999 and for events of 2004 you might expect an apology, but not a moment sooner.
(Peggy, 18 October 2010 06:50)

there was nothing to miss, since there was no article at all. please, show us that article you are talking about?

What a joke! Serbia has been in turmoil (provoked by the west) for the past twenty years while nothing has changed in albania. When is albania going to join the eu? Is it even under discussion? HAHAHAHA. Those losers will never get in the eu because america already controls them, unlike Serbia who america fears will become Russia's western military base behind america's frontlines against Russia.

The guard on duty reacted well and called the police immediately. As soon as the protesters heard police sirens they leaped back over the fence, picked up their flags and then scattered around the nearby streets and parks. These were mostly younger people, a number had the ski masks covering their faces, there were two or three young women, too. They banged the door until the caretaker started unlocking it and then fled, " Diklić said.

Now if it was a peaceful protest like in Skojpe there was no need to run? Banging on the door and when the police showed up run away. Probably in Beligue illegally and did not want to be deported. Hooliganism, another word for STUPID.

Stupidity has a habit of being contagious.
(Mike, 17 October 2010 16:35)

Me thinks, these future Nobel Price aspirants just merely disagree with each other on certain aspects of Big Bang theory...

Albanian violence and threats has worked in the past, why shouldn't it now.

Violence only begets violence.When emotion governs our (re)actions , we have now abandoned intellect and reason , and we regress to that which we universally despise - IGNORANT.

I took a look at the original article, it didn't mention that the flag was burned, it spoke about the more significant incidents like the violence at the game, but it did show a picture of the flag being burned.

Here is the link
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=12&nav_id=70249

Here is a video showing Albanians burning a Serbian flag at a football match at least a month before the Serbs burned the Albanian flag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLG3IjEicfA

I took a look at the original article, it didn't mention that the flag was burned, it spoke about the more significant incidents like the violence at the game, but it did show a picture of the flag being burned.

Here is the link
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=12&nav_id=70249

Here is a video showing Albanians burning a Serbian flag at a football match at least a month before the Serbs burned the Albanian flag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLG3IjEicfA

I think it is important to distinguish between a people (the Serbian people, the Albanian people) and the hooligans that give an entire people a bad name.

Let's not give these hooligans more credit they deserve by treating them as diplomats and representatives of an entire people. If Tadic burned an Albanian flag, or if an Albanian leader burned a Serbian flag, than this would be a situation warranting legitimate concern and demonstration.

But hooligans are not state leaders. All we do by treating the actions of hooligans as basis for condemning a whole people is continue the cycle of hatred and violence, and postpone peace and cooperation.

What the hooligans (both Albanian and Serbian ones) did is reprehensible. It is not productive or helpful to claim one was worse or say who started it, let's just try and stop it.

Nationalistic Serbs are and probably will always be are number 1 enemy.

They crossed several states by car, buses, to go to a EURO qualifying game to burn an Albanian flag on international T.V.

This act has only united the Albanian nation even further, just looking at facebook at all those protesting in silence (KUQ E ZI).

You can spew hate, but nothing will divide the Red & Black (KUQ E ZI).

@ Ark,
so the article didn't mention it at all. If someone would have followed the news of B92 - without knowing that the red peace of cloth was the albanian flag, he would have never understood that. And you know it.
As far as the second link is concerned, i totally deplore the action and have no hesitation to condemn the act.
What about you?

Wondering when& wher you peaple thing inuf is inuf, is wery sad thet on this centry Serbs still thinking thet we Albanians are stupid, no no we are not but we just wait for a right time.....

louiscyphre,

What did your diatribe have to do with this article? Anyway, think whatever makes you happy. It's an anonymous internet forum, so I could be who I say or I could be a 15 year old Serb you have been arguing with:)

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17 October 2010 12:52)
So Serbs burning Albanian flag is free/expression, but Albanians burning Serbian flag is different?
(duh, 17 October 2010, 14:38)

No difference at all, its free expression. The reactions to the act is what I am getting at here.

The hooligans that burned the Albanian flag in Genoa were not representatives of the state of Serbia or the Serbian people. In fact, it has been discovered that some were right-wing extremists not just from Serbia, but from neighboring countries, Belgium, Austria and Slovenia. Please see B92 story on "Black International" two days ago http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=15&nav_id=70313
So if you want an apology, Albanians, I would suggest you contact Mr. Bogdanov (arm tattoos), Misters Milovanovic and Obradovic of the group Obraz, and leave the Serbian state and citizens alone. Not to condone the incident, but burning the flags of foreign nations in protest is a constitutional right in democratic countries. It is not a nice act, but it is a right. Why don't Albanians jump up and down in protest when their fellow Muslims burn the American flag all over the world. Isn't America your greatest ally?

Get a grip and go to work! (if you have it)
(John, 17 October 2010 11:31) how about those 1500 serbian holigans do they have job ore ther job is by burning albanian flag? remember its 2010 not 1999

So... The albanian activists/reactionaries consider EU and NATO membership to be signs of a civilised nation? I do believe they just discounted themselves from membership! Defining factor of these nations? Very few, in fact, none, are muslim nations, unlike....albania! Also, to define whether a nation is civilised by making membership of some organisation compulsory is incredibly shortsighted and arbitrary: Civilisation is based on morals, values, and ethical behaviour. Not something that's been in evidence in albania since the dawn of time, as far as I can tell.
SO the next time the albanians are trying to goad us (Serbs and all who love Serbia, wherever we were born), just think "We're better than you. We always have been, we always will be, and we don't need to stoop to your level".

Fantastic! Not an article from the side of B92 on the hooligans burning the albanian flag in a football match between Serbia and Italy (quite strange, no? it deserved a bit of deepening, no?), but a long and detailed one on a bunch of albanians protestin against it. That's what is called unbiased ;-)
Moreover, not a single comment from the serb side to condemn the act. Well, thank you very much indeed.
(Rovena, 17 October 2010 20:52)
===================

There was an article mentioning it. How did you miss it?

No apology about burning the flag will be coming because many Serbs were butchered because of that flag.
When your lot apologises for the atorcities committed against the Serbs, the ethnic cleansing of Serbs which took place for decades before 1999 and for events of 2004 you might expect an apology, but not a moment sooner.

in fact,by burning our flag,serbians just help albanians to stand more unite!see facebook,all black and red for our flag!
Once again,you have all wrong!

albanians act so tough on the net and in albania and kosovo but when they are not in their safe zone they run and hide. and i like the part when the Serb caretaker was going to open the door they all ran away. so whats the point? they came for a reason i guess but they ran away faster than they came. hmmm interesting but anyway, you should go look for jobs and dont worry about some hooligans .

Only the weak can fall so low to be influenced by football hooligans. Sad, but it seems that that is how low some Albanians have fallen.

"Do you know the difference between free speach and vandalism/riots,criminal damage/disordely conduct???
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 October 2010 13:42) "

Obviously the Yankees don't -- see that Danilo's immediately post below yours.

Can you imagine if the Americans and Israeli would do the same if a flag of their nation is burned somewhere? We would have riots every day and everywhere in this world. Get a grip and go to work! (if you have it)
(John, 17 October 2010 11:31)

Ever crossed your mind US and Israel bombed them prior to the flag burning?

I would like to have thought one Eye met the other Eye with the first Serb flag burning in Tirana a few days ago. It seems some in the Albanian camp need a nose and an ear. So what happens when another group of Serbs burn another Albanian flag? Maybe we can make it into a weekly marathon? Stupidity has a habit of being contagious.

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17 October 2010 12:52)
So Serbs burning Albanian flag is free/expression, but Albanians burning Serbian flag is different?

It's just like Muhammad cartoon riots.

(highduke, 17 October 2010, 12:30)

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.

Fantastic! Not an article from the side of B92 on the hooligans burning the albanian flag in a football match between Serbia and Italy (quite strange, no? it deserved a bit of deepening, no?), but a long and detailed one on a bunch of albanians protestin against it. That's what is called unbiased ;-)
Moreover, not a single comment from the serb side to condemn the act. Well, thank you very much indeed.

"(highduke, 17 October 2010, 12:30)
These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17"

LOL oh jason, no matter how hard you can try to convince yourself that you are "western", your Serb mentality will never fail you.

Exactly. These people are now acting like the Salafists by becoming enraged over a petty act, and trying to justify their actions against what is basically free speech/expression.
(Jason, 17 October 2010 12:52)

Do you know the difference between free speach and vandalism/riots,criminal damage/disordely conduct???

What a joke! Serbia has been in turmoil (provoked by the west) for the past twenty years while nothing has changed in albania. When is albania going to join the eu? Is it even under discussion? HAHAHAHA. Those losers will never get in the eu because america already controls them, unlike Serbia who america fears will become Russia's western military base behind america's frontlines against Russia.

"By burning the Albanian flag, the symbols of the EU and NATO were also set on fire and with them chances that Serbia should join the Union of Civilized States”
-Ismail

So......why didn't KLA terrorist attacks in the U.S.A kill the chances of the U.S.A supporting them? It's funny that the Serbian nation and people frown upon the hooligan acts, where the Albanian people applaud Albanian hooligans.

Can you imagine if the Americans and Israeli would do the same if a flag of their nation is burned somewhere? We would have riots every day and everywhere in this world. Get a grip and go to work! (if you have it)

It's just like Muhammad cartoon riots. These Muslims, even these nominally secular ones see our state being pushed around by the pro-EU and 'hooligans', so they assume that they can humiliate our state too by raising a ruckus and getting an apology from a state they percieve as weak

In recent days, Albanians protested both in Tirana and Priština. In Tirana, Serbian flags were burned on two occasions during the past week.
--
Albanians protest the buring of the Albanian flag by burning two Serbian flags? I mean, doesn't anyone else see the stupidity in that?

Serbian hooligans burn a flag and the government condemns it. In most parts of the world the condemnation would end it. Why Albanians continue to provoke is beyond me. Time to get over it I think.

Jason, I still think that you are a phoney.
Let me explain you why: According to the EULEX staff info there are 81 US officers serving with EULEX; you claim to be one of them. You claim to have been an officer in the armed forces, to have served with UNMIK and to have been deployed in Pec and currently in Mitrovica. And you really think with all this information one isn't able to figure you out? By now media monitoring must be aware of your activities. So either you are terribly arrogant or -as I stated initially- a phoney.

P.S.: How come you have no access to the crime statistics of Pec since you are a EULEX officer?

Stupidity has a habit of being contagious.
(Mike, 17 October 2010 16:35)

Me thinks, these future Nobel Price aspirants just merely disagree with each other on certain aspects of Big Bang theory...

"with them chances that Serbia should join the Union of Civilized States"
Ismail

This has to be the joke of the day! Civilized! Where? When? Who?
Action speak louder then words.

Albanian violence and threats has worked in the past, why shouldn't it now.

Nationalistic Serbs are and probably will always be are number 1 enemy.

They crossed several states by car, buses, to go to a EURO qualifying game to burn an Albanian flag on international T.V.

This act has only united the Albanian nation even further, just looking at facebook at all those protesting in silence (KUQ E ZI).

You can spew hate, but nothing will divide the Red & Black (KUQ E ZI).

There was an article mentioning it. How did you miss it?

No apology about burning the flag will be coming because many Serbs were butchered because of that flag.
When your lot apologises for the atorcities committed against the Serbs, the ethnic cleansing of Serbs which took place for decades before 1999 and for events of 2004 you might expect an apology, but not a moment sooner.
(Peggy, 18 October 2010 06:50)

there was nothing to miss, since there was no article at all. please, show us that article you are talking about?

in fact,by burning our flag,serbians just help albanians to stand more unite!see facebook,all black and red for our flag!
Once again,you have all wrong!
(lili, 17 October 2010 13:46)

WTF?!

Facebook? Facebook- black and red.., your flag??!

I'm damn sure ALL ALBANIANS of the world have Facebook accounts! Like the fashion- whenever it's expired or out, Albanians will start wearing it.., for years to come.. On the end ALL the accounts will be Albanian except one.., Mark Zuckerberg's. LOL!!

American flag gets burned all the time, John. In fact, the right to do so is protected, in America, by American law.

So, to answer your implicit questions "what would Americans do?" They would do nothing.

I took a look at the original article, it didn't mention that the flag was burned, it spoke about the more significant incidents like the violence at the game, but it did show a picture of the flag being burned.

Here is the link
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=12&nav_id=70249

Here is a video showing Albanians burning a Serbian flag at a football match at least a month before the Serbs burned the Albanian flag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLG3IjEicfA

I took a look at the original article, it didn't mention that the flag was burned, it spoke about the more significant incidents like the violence at the game, but it did show a picture of the flag being burned.

Here is the link
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=12&nav_id=70249

Here is a video showing Albanians burning a Serbian flag at a football match at least a month before the Serbs burned the Albanian flag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLG3IjEicfA

Violence only begets violence.When emotion governs our (re)actions , we have now abandoned intellect and reason , and we regress to that which we universally despise - IGNORANT.

Wondering when& wher you peaple thing inuf is inuf, is wery sad thet on this centry Serbs still thinking thet we Albanians are stupid, no no we are not but we just wait for a right time.....

The guard on duty reacted well and called the police immediately. As soon as the protesters heard police sirens they leaped back over the fence, picked up their flags and then scattered around the nearby streets and parks. These were mostly younger people, a number had the ski masks covering their faces, there were two or three young women, too. They banged the door until the caretaker started unlocking it and then fled, " Diklić said.

Now if it was a peaceful protest like in Skojpe there was no need to run? Banging on the door and when the police showed up run away. Probably in Beligue illegally and did not want to be deported. Hooliganism, another word for STUPID.

@ Ark,
so the article didn't mention it at all. If someone would have followed the news of B92 - without knowing that the red peace of cloth was the albanian flag, he would have never understood that. And you know it.
As far as the second link is concerned, i totally deplore the action and have no hesitation to condemn the act.
What about you?

I think it is important to distinguish between a people (the Serbian people, the Albanian people) and the hooligans that give an entire people a bad name.

Let's not give these hooligans more credit they deserve by treating them as diplomats and representatives of an entire people. If Tadic burned an Albanian flag, or if an Albanian leader burned a Serbian flag, than this would be a situation warranting legitimate concern and demonstration.

But hooligans are not state leaders. All we do by treating the actions of hooligans as basis for condemning a whole people is continue the cycle of hatred and violence, and postpone peace and cooperation.

What the hooligans (both Albanian and Serbian ones) did is reprehensible. It is not productive or helpful to claim one was worse or say who started it, let's just try and stop it.