Hooligans "send message to Serbia's EU bid"

I know that the name of the hooligan is Ivan Bogdanov, the IDIOT that ruined Euro 2012 for Serbia. He burned Albanian flag. We need to go together towards EU, not fighting each other

"Hooligans "send message to Serbia's EU bid"

..and the message is: (the finger) €USSR!

Not surprisingly, after being bombed raped humiliated and satanized by €U,a vast majority of serbs does agree.Give us a referendum on this crucial matter and you will see, mr. "king of €U" or "face of the banksters" or whatever you call your un-democratic position, van Rumpoy

Sorry for Serbia but this is only a reflection of some Serbian people mentality. this in other ways is shown in comments of most people here in b92.

All these complaints about the burning of the Albanian flag are hilarious. How many times has a Serbian flag been burned in Kosovo?

Serbian autorities should apologise to Albania for this cruel act. Burning a flag is killing a nation in their heart, especially Albanians who would die for their symbol.

"Not surprisingly, after being bombed raped humiliated and satanized by €U,a vast majority of serbs does agree.Give us a referendum on this crucial matter and you will see, mr. "king of €U" or "face of the banksters" or whatever you call your un-democratic position, van Rumpoy"(wtf, 13 October 2010 17:19)

Someone has to learn about democracy:
1. The Serbian government has been democratically elected.
2. So they decide about the future of the country.
3. If the "vast majority" doesn't like what their government is doing, they can vote for Radicals or other nationalistic extreme parties in the next elections.
4.If it's real a "vast majority", then these Anti-EU parties will win.

Simple and easy. That's how it works in a democracy, wtf, and not by rioting and vandalizing or showing sympathy for those brainless hooligans.

It's clear that these 2 recent events were highly organized and financed. Forget the EU, the people behind this must be punished in a very public way!

Hooligans "send message to Serbia's EU bid"

Well, some Serbs never fail to amaze me and the Western world in the worst kind just like in the 1990s.

I dont think that all Serbs are like that, but a great number unfortunately YES....

Stupid fools!. You shame the whole country and give us a bad name. They should lock you up forever and throw the key away.

We're talking about hooligans who make up 0.000000001% of the population. Interestingly, to these Eurocrats Gay guys in leather simulating anal sex on the streets of Belgrade would've been the 'right message'. I prefer hooligans over gays, both have their excessess.

Something is going on in Serbia. We have the last few weeks seen small subtle events that put together form a clearer pattern. Individually, they are just one incident but together they speak a clear message.

Again you can see what happens when you press someone over and over again. Each pressure can seem annoying but certainly not unbearable. Continued pressure without any improvements add up to a fury in response.

Let us hope that there are some smart advisers to EU governments who now realizes that they have pressed Serbia to the precipice edge.

Resentment and hopelessness have been a dress rehearsal that Serbia no longer want to play the role of a prostitute.
Continued pressure may well mean state seppuku. Then the hell brakes loose again.

I think that these groups could just be people, fans of clubs, that are simply not happy with the entire situation in Serbia. They are not happy with the current DS Government, they do not like the situation to do with Kosovo and that is all amplified by the poor economic situation Serbia. They don't like the government, they don't like the EU and they feel Kosovo is and always will be, Serbia. That's all I have to say. They could be organised, or it could just be angry citizens.

On behalf of all the intelligent and rational thinking non-Serbs here , let me just say that we DO NOT think all Serbs are wild hooligans. There are stupid people in ALL segments of EVERY society - sport , politics , religion , and yes even commentators on B92.

Truth and peace are not one eyed.They are universal and not subjective. Peace means affording peace to all , not just those who share an idea.

Acceptance ,peace and hope to all.

"Serbian autorities should apologise to Albania for this cruel act. Burning a flag is killing a nation in their heart, especially Albanians who would die for their symbol."
(Erjon, 13 October 2010
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Many Serbs have died BECAUSE of this symbol. Many crimes against the Serbs were committed in the name of this symbol.

"All these complaints about the burning of the Albanian flag are hilarious. How many times has a Serbian flag been burned in Kosovo?"
(Ark I, 13 October 2010 17:10)
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Exactly right. The person complaining doesn't seem to care about that.


"Ark, it is the flag of Albania burned. In Tirana, the Serbian flag has never been burned."
(Enio, 13 October 2010 18:39)
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Maybe you should tell your brothers in Kosovo not to kill Serbs under that flag and it won't be touched.
Why don't you speak up and tell them that by flying YOUR flag they are discrediting the whole of Albania? They have committed brutal crimes and murders of Serbs under that flag so you should be telling them to fly their own flag "flag of Kosova" instead when they go on their wild murderous rampage (see year 2004) and the bloody 90s.

"..stupidity of some of the k-albanian.."
Dear Mister Jovan. You dont need to worry about Albanians. They can have no better ally against Serbia, than smart people like you and those "serb patriots" protecting "christian and family values".

Ark, it is the flag of Albania burned. In Tirana, the Serbian flag has never been burned.

maybe its the opossite - serbia does nt want to aderate E.U. "paradise " with their conditions

This guy should put up or shut up. If he has evidence then present it, if not, leave it to the tabloids and gossip papers.

If there is anger in Serbia towards the government it is far more likely to be that for all the fine words by Tadic and co. about moving towards europe, where are the results? What kind of deal is it that one side promises but doesn't deliver, yet the other side still holds to the deal. Remember Tadic and co. only won the last elections by a hair's breadth and with the heavy intervention of quite a number of major western state ministers, even though this clearly predjudice's the whole electoral system and the vote.

Where are the results Tadic?

"1. The Serbian government has been democratically elected. "

Imagine whatever you want Bganon, you are really a funny chick...

sorry for the albanian poeple, I´d say!

the stupidity of some of the k-albanian comments in here do hopefully not reflect the albanian mentalitiy in general!

I would feel sympathy for them, if it were that way!

but fortunately it is only a smaller part of them, kiddies with not very much life experience and too much ( spare ) time.

mixing up sports and politics is stupid anyway, no matter who is making that mistake.

"organized groups that have financial support".

I believe this. It's the same groups who financed Mladic. It's the radical side of the serbian nations who has chosen to keep Serbia as it is... and it is too bad because Serbia belongs in Europe.

Just heard in the news that Serbia will be boycotted in 2012 games. This is stupid because those who dishonored Serbia are not the players but a gang of hoologans.

Oh, im sure we can arrange a little "someting something" just the two of us Toppie/Bganon, just let me know...

Maybe you should tell your brothers in Kosovo not to kill Serbs under that flag and it won't be touched.
Why don't you speak up and tell them that by flying YOUR flag they are discrediting the whole of Albania? They have committed brutal crimes and murders of Serbs under that flag so you should be telling them to fly their own flag "flag of Kosova" instead when they go on their wild murderous rampage (see year 2004) and the bloody 90s.
(peggy, 13 October 2010 22:13)

Another emotional diatribe by Peggy. Why is this any more justified than the idiots who went to the Mitro bridge after the Turkey Serbia basketball game.
(JohnnyC)
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Usually by responding, you'd answer the question.

Whats wrong, you don't have an answer for her?

Thank you Bogdanov for burning the albanian flag in front of thousands of european citizens.You did the albanians a big service.Bogdanov was arrested by italian police in many charges.I am glad Bogdanov will have the privilege to meet some nice albanians in the italian jails.Good luck "the beast"
PS. nothing agains honest serbian citizens.After all, the mother of the ibeciles is always pregnant they say..

EC should turn red lights to visa-free travel for Serbia

My previous comments regarding the flag doesn't mean I condone the actions those Serbs did at the football game. I was just pointing out things that I thought should be pointed out.

I wonder what those people thought they would accomplish by their foolish behaviour at the game? Nothing useful came out of their behaviour, they only showed themselves to be a disgrace to Serbia. They should know that any foolish behaviour they do will only be highlighted by the western news to be used against Serbia.

Those Serbs and others with the same kind of mind, need to look into theirself and instead do something useful for Serbia.

All these complaints about the burning of the Albanian flag are hilarious. How many times has a Serbian flag been burned in Kosovo?
(Ark I, 13 October 2010 17:10)
Burning flags of whatever country these flags represents have no point at all, actualy I find these people as a weak gesture or desperation from their part, the same goes for our other neighbor Greece that keep runing their mouth about their neighbors how brave they are wich in reality they are scared as hell when it comes to act, and that's from my personal experience by the way.

It is sad to see some Serbs still feel they must continually apologize for moderate riots while the EU and US need not apologize for anything. The sight of Tadic bowing and scraping to Clinton as she congratulated him for obeying orders should embarrass you. Curiously she did not press Tirana on gay rights.

I believe that what happened in Italy was not a rare display of hooliganism/nationalism/racism.All too many times we have witnessed Serb hooligans trying to assert themselves by burning the Albanian flag and chanting "Kill the Albanians". I believe that Serb hooligans simply wanted to make a rally cry by burning the Albanian flag hoping that the Italian fans would join in. Well it backfired and the result was rather dissapoiniting for all sides. The idea that there is a conspiracy theory behind only helps the Serb government
to get itself out of this mess and to improve its public image which quite frankly has been ruined irreparably for the time being.

guess who I'd rather be a funny chick than an idiotic troll.

Why do you insist on changing your moniker so often? Is it because you don't have any friends?

When will you guys learn to apologize for once?
If the ones who played with Albania's flag are only individuals, why do you keep commenting on who burns more flags or kills or smuggles more? C'mon people, a war was waged between Serbia and Kosova and you haven't apologized yet!!! When will this change so that we can start dreaming that we can live in peace together?

Love to all Albanians; best wishes to all Serbs who wants their kids go grow differently in our common Balkans.

"We're talking about hooligans who make up 0.000000001% of the population. Interestingly, to these Eurocrats Gay guys in leather simulating anal sex on the streets of Belgrade would've been the 'right message'. I prefer hooligans over gays, both have their excessess.
highduke"

highduke, you have me convinced that there's something really wrong with you!

Enio, as it has been mentioned by others already, usually when the Albanians in Kosovo are waving a flag, it is the Albanian flag, not the EU Kosovo flag. If that was not the case, it would have been more likely that the EU Kosovo flag would have been burned instead. So many Albanians here are making a big deal about the flag burning when the Serbian flag is burned in Kosovo and also Serbian people, churches, cars and homes are burned, destroyed or pillaged in Kosovo.

This is the same as when the Albanians who comment here have so much to say anytime news is mentioned about a Serbian criminal in Kosovo, when there are many more criminal activities performed in Kosovo by Albanians, and not just against Serbs, but against many non-Albanians and even Albanians who won't follow them.

Look at these news articles talking about the Albanian Mafia in other countries in Europe or in the United States. In the news links below, there are statements like
"they commit the cruelest felonies"
or "Pimps have always used violence but these Albanian gangs are truly vicious."
or "They are a hardened group, operating with reckless abandon"
or "His victims told how even the slightest dissent was met with beatings and rape"
or "FBI officials said Russian and many other organized crime groups operating in the United States are much more sophisticated and less violent than the Albanians."
or "The Albanian criminal enterprises, operating largely in New York and other Eastern seaboard cities, represent a major challenge to federal agents because of their propensity for violence and brutality"
and also from one of the articles, from the words of one of the Albanian Mafia members "We can use guns, we control the prostitutes in Soho and we are investing in London heavily. We fear no one and the law cannot do anything to stop us."
and even as far back as 1985 in a Wall Street Journal article, this quote "Violence within the Albanian community can be particularly brutal"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article458061.ece
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/18/albanians.mob/index.html
http://www.thelondondailynews.com/albanian-hire-london-%C2%A35000-p-2560.html
http://www.thelondondailynews.com/threats-journalists-albanian-criminal-underground-p-2570.html
http://www.mafia-news.com/albanian-mafia-at-work-in-new-york/
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/alb-mafia-wsj-9-9-85.html

I am Italian and I'm comimg to Serbia on regular basis since 2004. I was for the first time ever scared last sunday, finding myself in the middle of one of those hooligans marches in Belgrade. Tuesday night I was watching the match and againg the same scaring sensation. I hope that the Goverment of Serbia and the very many Serbian citizens who care about the future of the country will not underestimante these events, by archiving them as isolated small violent groups actions. They were very many of them and certainly very well organised!React to these criminal acts and send out clear signals to the rest of the world! I want to continue to come to Serbia and bring more and more Italian friends with no problems! Giorgio

"Peggy"

I would understand if a Serbian takes the point of view they way you write. But coming from a brit who has totally got the wrong end of the stick when it comes to history, it beyond me. As for the drama on tv well I think they got taught a good lesson (beating) from caribinera, they got what they asked for.

I'm I supprised, no not really. Part of society that will take time to grasp life and reality.

Sorry for Serbia but this is only a reflection of some Serbian people mentality. this in other ways is shown in comments of most people here in b92.
(Ks, 13 October 2010 13:13)
I have to disagree. This is a sharp contrast in when the "peaceful protest" of Kosovo independence took place and police were actually pulled out of certain areas to let the "hooligans" do their deed "for" the govt.
Also I do not think you can judge the Serbian populus for comments in this forum. Most are those who fled the homeland for a better life but want to maintain their Serbian pride at the cost of those who remain.
The others are extremists who use the forum as a means to safely project their hatred.
Neither of which should be held as a true picture of the Serbian people.

"There's no doubt in my mind these are all the same people."

Your mind does not trump evidence and/or motive.

"Where are the results Tadic?
(Aleks, 13 October 2010 18:24)"

Well, for a start, you've received the White Schengen, which is making it possible for 10x as many Serbs as in the past to apply for asylum in Sweden this year (not that visa-free travel was intended to allow for that, of course).

There are also millions of euros worth of aid (not loans), assistance with reforming the legal system so as to make it more attractive to foreign investment, not to mention fairer for its own citizens, a deal allowing Serbia to export with lower or no tariffs to the EU, police training (so that they respond to rioters with with tear gas rather than bully clubs, water cannon, rubber bullets, and the like.) Probably "and so on," but you get the idea.

Maybe you should tell your brothers in Kosovo not to kill Serbs under that flag and it won't be touched.
Why don't you speak up and tell them that by flying YOUR flag they are discrediting the whole of Albania? They have committed brutal crimes and murders of Serbs under that flag so you should be telling them to fly their own flag "flag of Kosova" instead when they go on their wild murderous rampage (see year 2004) and the bloody 90s.
(peggy, 13 October 2010 22:13)

Another emotional diatribe by Peggy. Why is this any more justified than the idiots who went to the Mitro bridge after the Turkey Serbia basketball game.

Good grief! Of all the things you can call those sticks the police use to pacify a resister, apparently the one thing you can't call one is a "bully club". So - **billy** club, truncheon, baton, cosh, Paddywacker, billystick, b'tawn, nightstick, sap, blackjack, ...

Usually by responding, you'd answer the question.

Whats wrong, you don't have an answer for her?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 17:09)

She didn't ask me a question. I'm not Albanian or Serbian. If an Albanian wants to answer, so be it.

She didn't ask me a question. I'm not Albanian or Serbian. If an Albanian wants to answer, so be it.
(JohnnyC, 16 October 2010 08:58)
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Then why did you respond? I asked a question and you decided to show up with your two cents worth.

Next time leave it alone and wait for an Albanian to answer instead of you simply injecting your bit of hatred. I wonder why you couldn't help yourself.

Next time leave it alone and wait for an Albanian to answer instead of you simply injecting your bit of hatred. I wonder why you couldn't help yourself.
(Peggy, 17 October 2010 07:05)

Siimply because your emotional, biased, uninformed posts are a distraction. You don't even bother to consider the facts on the ground. I don't know if you have a dead Grandfather that was born in Serbia or once dated a Serbian immigrant to Australia, but your kind (the same as those virulent pro-albanian posters who default to Serb= Bad)are part of the problem here. If outsiders kept the emotion out of it, many of the problems here could be corrected by the people who live here. To me, you are a detested symbol of what is wrong in this region. Many pro-Serb posters here do not default to Albanian=Bad and they deserve some respect.

Serbian autorities should apologise to Albania for this cruel act. Burning a flag is killing a nation in their heart, especially Albanians who would die for their symbol.

Hooligans "send message to Serbia's EU bid"

Well, some Serbs never fail to amaze me and the Western world in the worst kind just like in the 1990s.

I dont think that all Serbs are like that, but a great number unfortunately YES....

"Serbian autorities should apologise to Albania for this cruel act. Burning a flag is killing a nation in their heart, especially Albanians who would die for their symbol."
(Erjon, 13 October 2010
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Many Serbs have died BECAUSE of this symbol. Many crimes against the Serbs were committed in the name of this symbol.

"All these complaints about the burning of the Albanian flag are hilarious. How many times has a Serbian flag been burned in Kosovo?"
(Ark I, 13 October 2010 17:10)
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Exactly right. The person complaining doesn't seem to care about that.


"Ark, it is the flag of Albania burned. In Tirana, the Serbian flag has never been burned."
(Enio, 13 October 2010 18:39)
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Maybe you should tell your brothers in Kosovo not to kill Serbs under that flag and it won't be touched.
Why don't you speak up and tell them that by flying YOUR flag they are discrediting the whole of Albania? They have committed brutal crimes and murders of Serbs under that flag so you should be telling them to fly their own flag "flag of Kosova" instead when they go on their wild murderous rampage (see year 2004) and the bloody 90s.

We're talking about hooligans who make up 0.000000001% of the population. Interestingly, to these Eurocrats Gay guys in leather simulating anal sex on the streets of Belgrade would've been the 'right message'. I prefer hooligans over gays, both have their excessess.

All these complaints about the burning of the Albanian flag are hilarious. How many times has a Serbian flag been burned in Kosovo?

"Hooligans "send message to Serbia's EU bid"

..and the message is: (the finger) €USSR!

Not surprisingly, after being bombed raped humiliated and satanized by €U,a vast majority of serbs does agree.Give us a referendum on this crucial matter and you will see, mr. "king of €U" or "face of the banksters" or whatever you call your un-democratic position, van Rumpoy

"organized groups that have financial support".

I believe this. It's the same groups who financed Mladic. It's the radical side of the serbian nations who has chosen to keep Serbia as it is... and it is too bad because Serbia belongs in Europe.

Sorry for Serbia but this is only a reflection of some Serbian people mentality. this in other ways is shown in comments of most people here in b92.

"Not surprisingly, after being bombed raped humiliated and satanized by €U,a vast majority of serbs does agree.Give us a referendum on this crucial matter and you will see, mr. "king of €U" or "face of the banksters" or whatever you call your un-democratic position, van Rumpoy"(wtf, 13 October 2010 17:19)

Someone has to learn about democracy:
1. The Serbian government has been democratically elected.
2. So they decide about the future of the country.
3. If the "vast majority" doesn't like what their government is doing, they can vote for Radicals or other nationalistic extreme parties in the next elections.
4.If it's real a "vast majority", then these Anti-EU parties will win.

Simple and easy. That's how it works in a democracy, wtf, and not by rioting and vandalizing or showing sympathy for those brainless hooligans.

I think that these groups could just be people, fans of clubs, that are simply not happy with the entire situation in Serbia. They are not happy with the current DS Government, they do not like the situation to do with Kosovo and that is all amplified by the poor economic situation Serbia. They don't like the government, they don't like the EU and they feel Kosovo is and always will be, Serbia. That's all I have to say. They could be organised, or it could just be angry citizens.

maybe its the opossite - serbia does nt want to aderate E.U. "paradise " with their conditions

I know that the name of the hooligan is Ivan Bogdanov, the IDIOT that ruined Euro 2012 for Serbia. He burned Albanian flag. We need to go together towards EU, not fighting each other

Stupid fools!. You shame the whole country and give us a bad name. They should lock you up forever and throw the key away.

Ark, it is the flag of Albania burned. In Tirana, the Serbian flag has never been burned.

sorry for the albanian poeple, I´d say!

the stupidity of some of the k-albanian comments in here do hopefully not reflect the albanian mentalitiy in general!

I would feel sympathy for them, if it were that way!

but fortunately it is only a smaller part of them, kiddies with not very much life experience and too much ( spare ) time.

mixing up sports and politics is stupid anyway, no matter who is making that mistake.

I believe that what happened in Italy was not a rare display of hooliganism/nationalism/racism.All too many times we have witnessed Serb hooligans trying to assert themselves by burning the Albanian flag and chanting "Kill the Albanians". I believe that Serb hooligans simply wanted to make a rally cry by burning the Albanian flag hoping that the Italian fans would join in. Well it backfired and the result was rather dissapoiniting for all sides. The idea that there is a conspiracy theory behind only helps the Serb government
to get itself out of this mess and to improve its public image which quite frankly has been ruined irreparably for the time being.

Something is going on in Serbia. We have the last few weeks seen small subtle events that put together form a clearer pattern. Individually, they are just one incident but together they speak a clear message.

Again you can see what happens when you press someone over and over again. Each pressure can seem annoying but certainly not unbearable. Continued pressure without any improvements add up to a fury in response.

Let us hope that there are some smart advisers to EU governments who now realizes that they have pressed Serbia to the precipice edge.

Resentment and hopelessness have been a dress rehearsal that Serbia no longer want to play the role of a prostitute.
Continued pressure may well mean state seppuku. Then the hell brakes loose again.

This guy should put up or shut up. If he has evidence then present it, if not, leave it to the tabloids and gossip papers.

If there is anger in Serbia towards the government it is far more likely to be that for all the fine words by Tadic and co. about moving towards europe, where are the results? What kind of deal is it that one side promises but doesn't deliver, yet the other side still holds to the deal. Remember Tadic and co. only won the last elections by a hair's breadth and with the heavy intervention of quite a number of major western state ministers, even though this clearly predjudice's the whole electoral system and the vote.

Where are the results Tadic?

Just heard in the news that Serbia will be boycotted in 2012 games. This is stupid because those who dishonored Serbia are not the players but a gang of hoologans.

It's clear that these 2 recent events were highly organized and financed. Forget the EU, the people behind this must be punished in a very public way!

"1. The Serbian government has been democratically elected. "

Imagine whatever you want Bganon, you are really a funny chick...

Thank you Bogdanov for burning the albanian flag in front of thousands of european citizens.You did the albanians a big service.Bogdanov was arrested by italian police in many charges.I am glad Bogdanov will have the privilege to meet some nice albanians in the italian jails.Good luck "the beast"
PS. nothing agains honest serbian citizens.After all, the mother of the ibeciles is always pregnant they say..

"..stupidity of some of the k-albanian.."
Dear Mister Jovan. You dont need to worry about Albanians. They can have no better ally against Serbia, than smart people like you and those "serb patriots" protecting "christian and family values".

EC should turn red lights to visa-free travel for Serbia

All these complaints about the burning of the Albanian flag are hilarious. How many times has a Serbian flag been burned in Kosovo?
(Ark I, 13 October 2010 17:10)
Burning flags of whatever country these flags represents have no point at all, actualy I find these people as a weak gesture or desperation from their part, the same goes for our other neighbor Greece that keep runing their mouth about their neighbors how brave they are wich in reality they are scared as hell when it comes to act, and that's from my personal experience by the way.

Sorry for Serbia but this is only a reflection of some Serbian people mentality. this in other ways is shown in comments of most people here in b92.
(Ks, 13 October 2010 13:13)
I have to disagree. This is a sharp contrast in when the "peaceful protest" of Kosovo independence took place and police were actually pulled out of certain areas to let the "hooligans" do their deed "for" the govt.
Also I do not think you can judge the Serbian populus for comments in this forum. Most are those who fled the homeland for a better life but want to maintain their Serbian pride at the cost of those who remain.
The others are extremists who use the forum as a means to safely project their hatred.
Neither of which should be held as a true picture of the Serbian people.

Maybe you should tell your brothers in Kosovo not to kill Serbs under that flag and it won't be touched.
Why don't you speak up and tell them that by flying YOUR flag they are discrediting the whole of Albania? They have committed brutal crimes and murders of Serbs under that flag so you should be telling them to fly their own flag "flag of Kosova" instead when they go on their wild murderous rampage (see year 2004) and the bloody 90s.
(peggy, 13 October 2010 22:13)

Another emotional diatribe by Peggy. Why is this any more justified than the idiots who went to the Mitro bridge after the Turkey Serbia basketball game.

It is sad to see some Serbs still feel they must continually apologize for moderate riots while the EU and US need not apologize for anything. The sight of Tadic bowing and scraping to Clinton as she congratulated him for obeying orders should embarrass you. Curiously she did not press Tirana on gay rights.

On behalf of all the intelligent and rational thinking non-Serbs here , let me just say that we DO NOT think all Serbs are wild hooligans. There are stupid people in ALL segments of EVERY society - sport , politics , religion , and yes even commentators on B92.

Truth and peace are not one eyed.They are universal and not subjective. Peace means affording peace to all , not just those who share an idea.

Acceptance ,peace and hope to all.

Enio, as it has been mentioned by others already, usually when the Albanians in Kosovo are waving a flag, it is the Albanian flag, not the EU Kosovo flag. If that was not the case, it would have been more likely that the EU Kosovo flag would have been burned instead. So many Albanians here are making a big deal about the flag burning when the Serbian flag is burned in Kosovo and also Serbian people, churches, cars and homes are burned, destroyed or pillaged in Kosovo.

This is the same as when the Albanians who comment here have so much to say anytime news is mentioned about a Serbian criminal in Kosovo, when there are many more criminal activities performed in Kosovo by Albanians, and not just against Serbs, but against many non-Albanians and even Albanians who won't follow them.

Look at these news articles talking about the Albanian Mafia in other countries in Europe or in the United States. In the news links below, there are statements like
"they commit the cruelest felonies"
or "Pimps have always used violence but these Albanian gangs are truly vicious."
or "They are a hardened group, operating with reckless abandon"
or "His victims told how even the slightest dissent was met with beatings and rape"
or "FBI officials said Russian and many other organized crime groups operating in the United States are much more sophisticated and less violent than the Albanians."
or "The Albanian criminal enterprises, operating largely in New York and other Eastern seaboard cities, represent a major challenge to federal agents because of their propensity for violence and brutality"
and also from one of the articles, from the words of one of the Albanian Mafia members "We can use guns, we control the prostitutes in Soho and we are investing in London heavily. We fear no one and the law cannot do anything to stop us."
and even as far back as 1985 in a Wall Street Journal article, this quote "Violence within the Albanian community can be particularly brutal"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article458061.ece
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/18/albanians.mob/index.html
http://www.thelondondailynews.com/albanian-hire-london-%C2%A35000-p-2560.html
http://www.thelondondailynews.com/threats-journalists-albanian-criminal-underground-p-2570.html
http://www.mafia-news.com/albanian-mafia-at-work-in-new-york/
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/alb-mafia-wsj-9-9-85.html

My previous comments regarding the flag doesn't mean I condone the actions those Serbs did at the football game. I was just pointing out things that I thought should be pointed out.

I wonder what those people thought they would accomplish by their foolish behaviour at the game? Nothing useful came out of their behaviour, they only showed themselves to be a disgrace to Serbia. They should know that any foolish behaviour they do will only be highlighted by the western news to be used against Serbia.

Those Serbs and others with the same kind of mind, need to look into theirself and instead do something useful for Serbia.

guess who I'd rather be a funny chick than an idiotic troll.

Why do you insist on changing your moniker so often? Is it because you don't have any friends?

Oh, im sure we can arrange a little "someting something" just the two of us Toppie/Bganon, just let me know...

Maybe you should tell your brothers in Kosovo not to kill Serbs under that flag and it won't be touched.
Why don't you speak up and tell them that by flying YOUR flag they are discrediting the whole of Albania? They have committed brutal crimes and murders of Serbs under that flag so you should be telling them to fly their own flag "flag of Kosova" instead when they go on their wild murderous rampage (see year 2004) and the bloody 90s.
(peggy, 13 October 2010 22:13)

Another emotional diatribe by Peggy. Why is this any more justified than the idiots who went to the Mitro bridge after the Turkey Serbia basketball game.
(JohnnyC)
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Usually by responding, you'd answer the question.

Whats wrong, you don't have an answer for her?

"Where are the results Tadic?
(Aleks, 13 October 2010 18:24)"

Well, for a start, you've received the White Schengen, which is making it possible for 10x as many Serbs as in the past to apply for asylum in Sweden this year (not that visa-free travel was intended to allow for that, of course).

There are also millions of euros worth of aid (not loans), assistance with reforming the legal system so as to make it more attractive to foreign investment, not to mention fairer for its own citizens, a deal allowing Serbia to export with lower or no tariffs to the EU, police training (so that they respond to rioters with with tear gas rather than bully clubs, water cannon, rubber bullets, and the like.) Probably "and so on," but you get the idea.

When will you guys learn to apologize for once?
If the ones who played with Albania's flag are only individuals, why do you keep commenting on who burns more flags or kills or smuggles more? C'mon people, a war was waged between Serbia and Kosova and you haven't apologized yet!!! When will this change so that we can start dreaming that we can live in peace together?

Love to all Albanians; best wishes to all Serbs who wants their kids go grow differently in our common Balkans.

"We're talking about hooligans who make up 0.000000001% of the population. Interestingly, to these Eurocrats Gay guys in leather simulating anal sex on the streets of Belgrade would've been the 'right message'. I prefer hooligans over gays, both have their excessess.
highduke"

highduke, you have me convinced that there's something really wrong with you!

Usually by responding, you'd answer the question.

Whats wrong, you don't have an answer for her?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 17:09)

She didn't ask me a question. I'm not Albanian or Serbian. If an Albanian wants to answer, so be it.

I am Italian and I'm comimg to Serbia on regular basis since 2004. I was for the first time ever scared last sunday, finding myself in the middle of one of those hooligans marches in Belgrade. Tuesday night I was watching the match and againg the same scaring sensation. I hope that the Goverment of Serbia and the very many Serbian citizens who care about the future of the country will not underestimante these events, by archiving them as isolated small violent groups actions. They were very many of them and certainly very well organised!React to these criminal acts and send out clear signals to the rest of the world! I want to continue to come to Serbia and bring more and more Italian friends with no problems! Giorgio

"Peggy"

I would understand if a Serbian takes the point of view they way you write. But coming from a brit who has totally got the wrong end of the stick when it comes to history, it beyond me. As for the drama on tv well I think they got taught a good lesson (beating) from caribinera, they got what they asked for.

I'm I supprised, no not really. Part of society that will take time to grasp life and reality.

"There's no doubt in my mind these are all the same people."

Your mind does not trump evidence and/or motive.

Good grief! Of all the things you can call those sticks the police use to pacify a resister, apparently the one thing you can't call one is a "bully club". So - **billy** club, truncheon, baton, cosh, Paddywacker, billystick, b'tawn, nightstick, sap, blackjack, ...

She didn't ask me a question. I'm not Albanian or Serbian. If an Albanian wants to answer, so be it.
(JohnnyC, 16 October 2010 08:58)
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Then why did you respond? I asked a question and you decided to show up with your two cents worth.

Next time leave it alone and wait for an Albanian to answer instead of you simply injecting your bit of hatred. I wonder why you couldn't help yourself.

Next time leave it alone and wait for an Albanian to answer instead of you simply injecting your bit of hatred. I wonder why you couldn't help yourself.
(Peggy, 17 October 2010 07:05)

Siimply because your emotional, biased, uninformed posts are a distraction. You don't even bother to consider the facts on the ground. I don't know if you have a dead Grandfather that was born in Serbia or once dated a Serbian immigrant to Australia, but your kind (the same as those virulent pro-albanian posters who default to Serb= Bad)are part of the problem here. If outsiders kept the emotion out of it, many of the problems here could be corrected by the people who live here. To me, you are a detested symbol of what is wrong in this region. Many pro-Serb posters here do not default to Albanian=Bad and they deserve some respect.