"Serbia should give up on Kosovo, Bosnia"

Yes, someone should give up on Kosovo and Bosnia. That is Hillary Clinton! Stop putting your nose in other countries business. The failed policies she represents are causing major trouble in numerous countries around the world.

There could be no clearer statement of what the US wants in the Balkans than this: a destroyed Serbia, a strong Muslim presence, and every former Yugloslav country subserviant to the whims of the US, EU, and NATO. If this is "peace" for Serbia, it is the peace of the grave. Serbia should look toward Russia for its salvation.

Hilary, the EU is called the EU for a very good reason, it is a Union of European countries. With that in mind, explain to me and everyone else why the US is trying to dictate the terms of that Union. How about you spend a little less time on other country's affairs and a little more time trying to solve problems a little closer to home. Imagine if the head of the EU tried to tell the US how to run their country.........

Please US: give up on illegal Kosovo independence.

But hey, if Kosovo can go, so can RS of course!
No double standards!

A question: does Georgia has to give up Abkhazia and South Ossetia to join EU/NATO?

Does China has to give up on Taiwan and Tibet?

Again: no double standards please!

Hilary, the EU is called the EU for a very good reason, it is a Union of European countries. With that in mind, explain to me and everyone else why the US is trying to dictate the terms of that Union. How about you spend a little less time on other country's affairs and a little more time trying to solve problems a little closer to home. Imagine if the head of the EU tried to tell the US how to run their country.........
(UK, 8 October 2010, 17:15)

Yes indeed. I always wonder why my tax dollars are spent funding this pantsuit-wearing primadonna to go around the world telling others what to do. All I can say is thank God she never got elected president.

Kosovo je Srbija. It's america who needs to give back the stolen lands back to Mexico!

This guy makes it sound like Serbs in Serbia want independence for Republika Srpska. The Serbs in Bosnia want the same rights that albanians, croats and bosnjaks ask for, namely the right to self determination. No truly democratic and fair country can deny Serbs that right. There is no amount of money and no EU membership that will make any Serbian government to give up on its brothers and sisters in Bosnia and Kosovo. Americans are nothing but hypocrites and warmongers. Serbia should disstance itself from America!

"... explain to me and everyone else why the US is trying to dictate the terms of that Union."

Simple: how many years of fruitless European-led diplomacy were there before the US got involved in Bosnia and ended the problem? (Too bad they were restricted to merely halting the killing rather than coming up with a long-term workable solution - even Holbrooke says now Dayton was a mistake.) Ever since Bosnia, the US has been leery of leaving the Europeans to start negotiations that go on forever and solve nothing.

The US should first give up being the World Policeman, then we'll talk about what Serbia should or shouldn't give up...

I say America should give up on an independent Albanian KiM, and stay out of Bosnian affairs. That would be better for all, Daniel, no?

Belgrade to give up its territorial ambitions in Bosnia and Kosovo if they want to join the NATO and European Union
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That's the funniest thing I've heard. It's like telling a child to give up its sweets and for being obedient it will receive a smack. ROFL!!

"Vice president of the Washington-based Institute of Peace Daniel Serwer said that Hillary Clinton should ask Serbia to give up on Kosovo and Bosnia."

-- Sure. While she's in Belgrade, what other stupid things should she ask for?

The article should read, "Serbia should stop interfering in Kosovo, and Bosnia".

@ UK

"...Americans would like to let the EU deal with the Balkans, provided they were given assurances the EU could manage without the United States."

Sadly true

Thank you for the threat Mrs. Clinton. But as you already know, concidering the tone of your desperation, there isn't anything you can do about it.

Point #1- Republika Srpska IS Serbia.

Point #2- Kosovo is still Serbia.

Now how far are you willing to go, is the question you need to ask yourself.

Something the US tried to end years ago will be in full effect right under everyones noses.

some of the most offensive statements regarding the EU i've ever heard!!

this was just a warning to the EU that if things dont go as the USA wishes they do.. then the USA will take it over from the EU !!

proof that the EU is nothing more then the USA's step child....WOWOWOW

--He added that he hoped the U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton would take the course of solving two major remaining problems in the Balkans, which were Kosovo and Bosnia.

"I hope that Hillary Clinton will, if she wants to push things forward, request from Belgrade to give up its territorial ambitions in Bosnia and Kosovo if they want to join the NATO and European Union," Serwer said.

Serwer believes that Belgrade will say they had no territorial ambitions in Bosnia, but Serbian President Boris Tadić “has recently shown open support to a presidential candidate in the Republic of Srpska who claimed territorial ambitions and promised a referendum on the independence of the RS".--

Thank you, daniel serwer! exactly what we have been saying to the blgd regime for years now. hands off yr neighbors. no more imperialism. learn to live in peace with yr neighbors instead of attacking them.

it is the only way to gain peace and stability in the region, which is the only way to help the lives of ordinary people, so many of whom continue to live in poverty. "quiet" desperation.

i've admired serwer for years, wish him only the best!

ciao.

roberto
frisco

Instructions by Mr.Daniel Serwer
to Hillary Clinton "give up on
Kosovo,Bosnia"Mr.Daniel Sewer use quite wide brush here painting both Bosnia and Kosovo the same.Well, both entities are creation of the West(USA&EU)with some basic differences.Bosnia& Herzegovina was split in two entity by Dayton accord.Muslim/Croat federation and Republika Srpska.Each one is to have Government of its own and army of its own,plus loose central Government and rotating Presidency.This sorry entity as was poorly conceived is in existence for about 15 years.There is no progress to date on two key elements (economy and education)plus integration of armed forces (Republika Srpska opted no to have a army but Muslim Croat Federation insist of having one.Educationally Serbian children are educated in schools run by Serbian Orthodox Church which curriculum meets EU standard.This kind of arrangement apparently is not acceptable to Muslim or Croats.Economically Republika Srpska is self sufficient and does not receive any help from the West (USA or EU)Muslim/Croat federation is receiving help from USA and EU,begging for some more.So Mr.Daniel Serwer in light of these obvious difficulties put your money where your mouth is.As for Kosovo Mr.Daniel Serwer you forgot one little detail and that is UN resolution 1244 which USA signed.Kosovo is now and always will be IN SERBIA.The best advice you could have given Madam Hillary Clinton is to stay home.Broke,no money no influence,waste of time.

I say that Ivica Dacic should be made a partner in the internal dealings of the United States. That way, the Serbs could like the US a little bit more, and the Americans can still hate the Serbs. And really, would Dacic do any worse than the US State Dept's. cast of characters?

Its americas stand which is the greatest concern and the reason of lack of progress. Serbia has proven its not giving up on Kosovo and serbs in Bosnia want independence. No fair negotiations, no peace. One more ignorant american who wants to tell the Serbian leadership to let go of something that is theirs will not make any difference. God save us from international politics dictated from Washington. Just look at the mess in Irak and Afghanistan.

There is no point with Serbia fighting this loosing battle, what will Serbia achieve in the long term? Nothing! Serbia should focus on it's European future where she belongs.
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2010 11:28)

Yes, even Sultan Murad said (almost) the same in 1389:

"There is no point with Serbia fighting this loosing battle, what will Serbia achieve in the long term? Nothing! Serbia should focus on it's Ottoman future where she belongs"

But these Serbs never listen to good reasoning... and win somehow, just because.

According to Serbia , other countries like Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro and so called Macedonia ,was a territory of Serbia but guess what those countries are for decades independent and some of theme are in the Eu union and doing well. I say enough to Serbia and its citizens , let go to something that's not yours and focus in to Europe future,get over with your radical thoughts ,Kosovo will never be yours again .Become europian country, that's your primary thing to do, don't show your arrogance to the world instead show that Serbia is different than while Milosevic's regime.

The article should read, "Serbia should stop interfering in Kosovo, and Bosnia".
(KOSO)
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What are you talking about? This is all Serbian land.

"As for Kosovo Mr.Daniel Serwer you forgot one little detail and that is UN resolution 1244 which USA signed.Kosovo is now and always will be IN SERBIA.
(Luke Buyenovich, 9 October 2010 06:01)

Luke,

You forgot big thing that UN resolution 1244 refers to Yugoslavia which doesn't exist anymore. That is a VERY BIG "forgetting" or misjudgement. I know you will say that Serbia is the successor....and bla bla bla but then the political conversation go outside your judgment. The very last thing why ICJ would not say that Kosovo independece was illegal if it would have found that "Kosovo has been and it is part of Serbia" as you put it. Don't keep on reading the Serbian myths that would be my advise.

Yes indeed. I always wonder why my tax dollars are spent funding this pantsuit-wearing primadonna to go around the world telling others what to do. All I can say is thank God she never got elected president.
(Ashamed_American, 8 October 2010 18:02)

Last time I checked, it is not Serbian government or serbian medias who are administering the US taxpayers money.
Therefore all grievances and wonderings about your taxes should be addressed to US government.
(Simpatiku, 9 October 2010 12:16)

And these grievances ARE addressed here in the US. The last time I checked, this media outlet has a forum to discuss things relating to Serbia, and unfortunately Serbia has been the recipient of far too much meddling by the Clintons. If you don't like what I say, well, tough.

There is no point with Serbia fighting this loosing battle, what will Serbia achieve in the long term? Nothing! Serbia should focus on it's European future where she belongs.

It's america who needs to give back the stolen lands back to Mexico!
(Ratko, 8 October 2010 19:55)

Well how dare those Mexicans stole 15mn USD (1846 value) from the U.S.A. How dare they....grrrr (do you silly this sounds? Mexico lost the war and sold the lands at extremely large sum, probably triple its actual value.

Thats never gonna happen, because almost every single Serb in Serbia has attachments to Kosovo, Bosna, Krajina or Montenegro. Its imbedded within our DNA forever - so no president or side-kick mouthpiece working for Obama or any other administration can change that. Serbs have something the west will never have - a soul and a God they believe in.

"Kosovo je Srbija. It's america who needs to give back the stolen lands back to Mexico!
(Ratko, 8 October 2010 19:55) "

And then Mexico should give the lands back to the Indians. And the Slavs should give Poland, CR, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, etc. back to the Germans, Celts, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Romans (?), etc. Or maybe everybody should just go back to Africa (won't they be surprised!) and sort it all out and forget the mess people made of settling the earth the first time. Right?

I consider myself neutral when it comes to Bosnia and Kosovo. But these statements coming from the secretary of state of the US is unprofessional. She gives the impression of a charlatan.

Does Serbia really want to join NATO and yes EU should lead the way......Why should US lead the way?

"There could be no clearer statement of what the US wants in the Balkans than this: a destroyed Serbia, a strong Muslim presence"

Are you high? The US is one of the most intolerant nation in regards to Islam. That is why I am still stunned at their love of Albania.

On the flip side, I agree Serbia should just give in on these issues. It is a losing battle. A wise commander knows when to run and when to fight. While Kosovo is a Serbian heritage, it has been a financial drain on the people of Serbia for many years. Like a cancer that should be cut off. Let's be realistic for a moment and ask ourselves... "What does Kosovo really bring to the table?" It is corrupt and will never function on its own. Let's retrieve our fellow ethnic Serbian citizens from this hellhole and move forward while we watch the Kosovo Albanians just sink further into despair.

The Obama Administration is not really interested in Kosovo or Bosnia. There will never again be American military intervention. Hilary Clinton will resign in six months;she will never be President. If the Serbs have the will and courage to take back or consolidate their lands,they can. If the Serbs want to sell-out to the mighty Dutch and the EU, they can do that,too. But the US is a declining player here and the Muslims no longer have an "air force".

The 'solution' they have gone for will never work in the long term.

I don't think Tadic is a traitor - he is trying to do what is right for Serbia as regards the EU. However, if he is part of some creeping seduction of the Serbian nation into their signing away their ownership of Kosovo permanently - then he will eventually be replaced.

Serbia is pragmatic about the current situation and is taking a role - even through the barriers erected by 1244 etc..

Territorial Integrity as mentioned in 1244 was only limited by the requirement for strong autonomy. That is all there is in 'Kosova' - the current situation is not a udi, its a protectorate. In talking to Pristina that is all that Serbia is acknowledging or will ever acknowledge. That is also the actuality.

I very seldom respond to the critique on my commentary.However,I find it necessary to respond to EA or who ever that is or might be.UNSC resolution 1244 has no expiration date.Therefore remain in force until new resolution is passed.ICJ ruling acknowledged right to proclaim independence but does not guarantee sovereignty.Kosovo independence is recognized by quite few States but because of lack of sovereignty no diplomatic presence could be established without Serbia's consent.Case in point is USA Ambassador to Kosovo who signed document in Belgrade limiting His diplomatic activities.As of to-day Kosovo international borders check points are in SERBIAN HANDS.So Albanians authorities and their friends better get use to it.

This Sewer guy is a nobody. Paid lobbyist so nobody with any integrity listens to him.

Yes indeed. I always wonder why my tax dollars are spent funding this pantsuit-wearing primadonna to go around the world telling others what to do. All I can say is thank God she never got elected president.
(Ashamed_American, 8 October 2010 18:02)

Last time I checked, it is not Serbian government or serbian medias who are administering the US taxpayers money.
Therefore all grievances and wonderings about your taxes should be addressed to US government.

"Institute of Subservience"

Apparent everybody has the right to self-determination except the Serbs, whether in Kosovo or Bosnie. Well, if the (inadequate) ICJ ruling on Kosovo made something clear, then it is that everybody can claim independence nowadays.
While the West in confronted with internal tensions due to immigration, they try to hold on to this dream of multi-culturalism. While Yugoslavia was an example of multi-culturalism and mutli-relgiousness, NATO induced Bosnia is not. Neither is the West itself.
Hillary Clinton better worry more about sniper attacks.
And the US is a superpower on the way back.

Serbia will never give up on Kosovo and Bosnia. Mister Serwer is to understand this. Perhaps, one day in the future, economic life in Serbia will get so good that Kosovo and Bosnia might willingly want to rejoin Serbia, with a political team inwhich equal rights are guaranteed for all the people of Serbia and Serbia's wealth distributed among its people. And Serbia is not anti Muslim. Serbia rebuilt, at tremendous cost, at least one mosque; that mosque in Belgrade. Mister Serwer spouts such political garbage.

Amer-- Sorry to burst your bubble Amer but your so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe. And the Germans and Celts??? I am not going to even bother with the dysfunctionality of your statement...

Try opening a book that wasn't printed under Hashish publications in kosovo, and perhaps something, anything can be learned.

If it could it would do exactly that, but it’s too, too late because the US has been printing greenbacks since May 2010 without any basis to back that extra money in the system – it seems that the world has begun to abandon the US. The US is are doing this as a very last resort claiming that, and get this, with the greenback cheaper “they can produce and export more” – this came out of a US Treasury official’s mouth at last week’s IMF meeting which made the Chinse board member laugh at that statement. Err, what about all the money the US owes? How are you going to repay it? With the Greenback cheaper the interest alone will be staggering.
Now what was Kilton going to do again? Ha, ha.

You forgot big thing that UN resolution 1244 refers to Yugoslavia which doesn't exist anymore. That is a VERY BIG "forgetting" or misjudgement. I know you will say that Serbia is the successor....and bla bla bla but then the political conversation go outside your judgment. The very last thing why ICJ would not say that Kosovo independece was illegal if it would have found that "Kosovo has been and it is part of Serbia" as you put it. Don't keep on reading the Serbian myths that would be my advise.
(EA)
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WoW EA, how many times do you need to be told that it was stated that Serbia is the successor of Yugoslavia, do you come here for facts, information and dialogue, or simply to instigate ?

The ones with 'territorial ambitions' are the Bosnian Islamists and the Albanians. Nobody is telling them to give up their ideas for a Greater Albania or to give up their ideas of annexing Republika Srpska and scrapping the Dayton Accords while imposing a centralized state on everyone else. The Serbs have the audacity to simply want to defend what the western powers supposedly agreed upon - resolution 1244 and the Dayton Accords. It is the West's clients which keep wanting more, more, more - using their rich friends in the EU and NATO to blackmail Serbia into forfeiting not only their identity and heritage but right to basic security and protection.

Daniel Who?


=)


never, Daniel, never.

and that means for that woman that she should better think it over to come to Serbia with these illusions.

or she should find better consultants.

Amer-- Sorry to burst your bubble Amer but your so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe. And the Germans and Celts??? I am not going to even bother with the dysfunctionality of your statement...

Try opening a book that wasn't printed under Hashish publications in kosovo, and perhaps something, anything can be learned.
(trudsaam, 10 October 2010 00:16)

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?

Amer-- Sorry to burst your bubble Amer but your so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe. And the Germans and Celts??? I am not going to even bother with the dysfunctionality of your statement...

Try opening a book that wasn't printed under Hashish publications in kosovo, and perhaps something, anything can be learned.
(trudsaam, 10 October 2010 00:16)

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?
(Mark)
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Where in my statement did i say "Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago"?

Nice try Mark. Selective argumentation doesnt work well, when we have the ability to "copy and paste".

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?
(Mark, 10 October 2010 23:38)
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Trying to be smart only made you look foolish.
You know very well that was not meant by that statement. Why do you try to distort what people say in order to make them look foolish when all you accomplish is making youself look stupid?

It doesn't work. Give it up.

And then Mexico should give the lands back to the Indians. And the Slavs should give Poland, CR, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, etc. back to the Germans, Celts, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Romans (?), etc. Or maybe everybody should just go back to Africa (won't they be surprised!) and sort it all out and forget the mess people made of settling the earth the first time. Right?
(Amer, 9 October 2010 19:12)
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You just proved my point. Kosovo was Serbian for the past 700 years so how far do YOU want to go back?
Even if you could prove Albanian existance in Kosovo prior to that (which you cannot as you don't have any tangible evidence) how far back to we go to redraw borders?

keep dreaming that serbia will ever be again ruling kosovo!!
You did not manage to control kosovo during 1000years of oppression and you think that now that we are independent,you will??!!

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?
(Mark, 10 October 2010 23:38)

No Mark. You are.

I don't even care to prove anything in regards to Albanians; I'm just assuming you are correct that Serbs were there for 700 years. But why stop at 700 and not at 1 year, or 10 years, or 100 years, or 701 years, or 7,000 years, or 70,000 years, or 700,000 years or 3,700,000 years ? Why should we select only the last 0.0000016% of that territory’s history ? That's the point I'm trying to understand.
(Mark)
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MArk, it seems you have taken this discussion completely out of context.

Let's stick to the basics. Kosovo NOW is considered apart of Serbia, so lets forget about 7000 years ago.

You are posing all the questions, but where are you trying to direct this discussion? Its not clear to me.

Where in my statement did i say "Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago"?

Nice try Mark. Selective argumentation doesnt work well, when we have the ability to "copy and paste".
(trudsaam, 11 October 2010 00:25)

I did not say you said that… That’s why I asked for confirmation to understand what your words meant. So let me try asking again with the full explanation where my question came from.

So you said the “so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe” and I’m assuming you are correct here (let me know if I should not assume that). So then the question is, who was there before the Serbs if that’s not Illyrians, and who was there before those who were there before the Serbs and so on to the earth’s creation some 4.5 billion years ago (assuming science is correct with that – let me know again if my assumption is not correct). Since you did not mention anything about who was there before the Serbs, I asked you whether that omission meant that Serbs were there since 4.5 billion ago. If that’s not what you meant, that’s fine, I was just trying to understand and a simple yes or no is sufficient.

Trying to be smart only made you look foolish.
You know very well that was not meant by that statement. Why do you try to distort what people say in order to make them look foolish when all you accomplish is making youself look stupid?

It doesn't work. Give it up.
(Peggy, 11 October 2010 00:57)

If I were trying to be smart I would not ask a question. I asked a question (if you saw the question mark) trying to understand better what somebody’s statement meant before giving a counter argument… There are no stupid questions; there are only stupid answers. And I’m waiting for the answer from the author of the post.

If you want to answer in his/her place than please explain if the “fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe” does not mean that Serbs were settled there since earth’s creation, then who was there before the Serbs. Thanks in advance for your help.

Kosovo was Serbian for the past 700 years so how far do YOU want to go back?
Even if you could prove Albanian existance in Kosovo prior to that (which you cannot as you don't have any tangible evidence) how far back to we go to redraw borders?
(Peggy, 11 October 2010 01:01)

I don't even care to prove anything in regards to Albanians; I'm just assuming you are correct that Serbs were there for 700 years. But why stop at 700 and not at 1 year, or 10 years, or 100 years, or 701 years, or 7,000 years, or 70,000 years, or 700,000 years or 3,700,000 years ? Why should we select only the last 0.0000016% of that territory’s history ? That's the point I'm trying to understand.

MArk, it seems you have taken this discussion completely out of context.

Let's stick to the basics. Kosovo NOW is considered apart of Serbia, so lets forget about 7000 years ago.

You are posing all the questions, but where are you trying to direct this discussion? Its not clear to me.
(trudsaam, 13 October 2010 17:11)

I noticed some posts around trying to justify the rights over Kosovo based on selective history for hundreds of years so I was trying to better understand that argument. But, I fully agree with you; what matters is what Kosovo is today and let’s forget about hundreds or thousands of years ago.

So, coming to today, Kosovo is considered part of Serbia by you, and that’s perfectly fine; everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. However 90% of those who live in Kosovo don’t consider it to be part of Serbia and what I or you or Serbia or, say, Namibia thinks about it does not have any impact on their lives. We can use all labeling we want here, but that does not change a basic fact that Serbia can’t control what happens in Kosovo. So do you want to call Kosovo “part of Serbia”; it’s perfectly fine by me – not worth arguing about since labeling does not change the reality on the ground.

I can say now that I think Serbia is part of Kosovo. Does that matter; of course not (except for me achieving happiness from that thought) since that’s not the reality on the ground because 100% of those who live in Serbia don’t share my opinion. It is the opinion of those in Serbia that matters, not the opinion of outsiders like me.

I don't even care to prove anything in regards to Albanians; I'm just assuming you are correct that Serbs were there for 700 years. But why stop at 700 and not at 1 year, or 10 years, or 100 years, or 701 years, or 7,000 years, or 70,000 years, or 700,000 years or 3,700,000 years ? Why should we select only the last 0.0000016% of that territory’s history ? That's the point I'm trying to understand.
(Mark, 13 October 2010 05:34)
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There is such a thing as asking a stupid question.
Now let me answer you. The reason I said that Serbs have Kosovo for the last 700 years is that it is precisely that, the last 700 years to present.
So we don't have to go back in order to establish who owns Kosovo. For the past 700 to now it's been Serbian. If you wish to go back prior to 700 years then you will have to prove your ownership of Kosovo first and then explain why you wish to go back to that long ago to establish ownership.
To change borders now according to some Illyrian myth is really, really stupid. No country in the world would redraw their borders based on who had what 700 years ago and lost it then to the current owners.

I wonder if you will be able to understand this.

Please US: give up on illegal Kosovo independence.

But hey, if Kosovo can go, so can RS of course!
No double standards!

A question: does Georgia has to give up Abkhazia and South Ossetia to join EU/NATO?

Does China has to give up on Taiwan and Tibet?

Again: no double standards please!

Kosovo je Srbija. It's america who needs to give back the stolen lands back to Mexico!

"There could be no clearer statement of what the US wants in the Balkans than this: a destroyed Serbia, a strong Muslim presence"

Are you high? The US is one of the most intolerant nation in regards to Islam. That is why I am still stunned at their love of Albania.

On the flip side, I agree Serbia should just give in on these issues. It is a losing battle. A wise commander knows when to run and when to fight. While Kosovo is a Serbian heritage, it has been a financial drain on the people of Serbia for many years. Like a cancer that should be cut off. Let's be realistic for a moment and ask ourselves... "What does Kosovo really bring to the table?" It is corrupt and will never function on its own. Let's retrieve our fellow ethnic Serbian citizens from this hellhole and move forward while we watch the Kosovo Albanians just sink further into despair.

There could be no clearer statement of what the US wants in the Balkans than this: a destroyed Serbia, a strong Muslim presence, and every former Yugloslav country subserviant to the whims of the US, EU, and NATO. If this is "peace" for Serbia, it is the peace of the grave. Serbia should look toward Russia for its salvation.

Does Serbia really want to join NATO and yes EU should lead the way......Why should US lead the way?

I say America should give up on an independent Albanian KiM, and stay out of Bosnian affairs. That would be better for all, Daniel, no?

Yes, someone should give up on Kosovo and Bosnia. That is Hillary Clinton! Stop putting your nose in other countries business. The failed policies she represents are causing major trouble in numerous countries around the world.

Hilary, the EU is called the EU for a very good reason, it is a Union of European countries. With that in mind, explain to me and everyone else why the US is trying to dictate the terms of that Union. How about you spend a little less time on other country's affairs and a little more time trying to solve problems a little closer to home. Imagine if the head of the EU tried to tell the US how to run their country.........
(UK, 8 October 2010, 17:15)

Yes indeed. I always wonder why my tax dollars are spent funding this pantsuit-wearing primadonna to go around the world telling others what to do. All I can say is thank God she never got elected president.

"Vice president of the Washington-based Institute of Peace Daniel Serwer said that Hillary Clinton should ask Serbia to give up on Kosovo and Bosnia."

-- Sure. While she's in Belgrade, what other stupid things should she ask for?

There is no point with Serbia fighting this loosing battle, what will Serbia achieve in the long term? Nothing! Serbia should focus on it's European future where she belongs.

Thank you for the threat Mrs. Clinton. But as you already know, concidering the tone of your desperation, there isn't anything you can do about it.

Point #1- Republika Srpska IS Serbia.

Point #2- Kosovo is still Serbia.

Now how far are you willing to go, is the question you need to ask yourself.

Something the US tried to end years ago will be in full effect right under everyones noses.

Hilary, the EU is called the EU for a very good reason, it is a Union of European countries. With that in mind, explain to me and everyone else why the US is trying to dictate the terms of that Union. How about you spend a little less time on other country's affairs and a little more time trying to solve problems a little closer to home. Imagine if the head of the EU tried to tell the US how to run their country.........

I say that Ivica Dacic should be made a partner in the internal dealings of the United States. That way, the Serbs could like the US a little bit more, and the Americans can still hate the Serbs. And really, would Dacic do any worse than the US State Dept's. cast of characters?

This guy makes it sound like Serbs in Serbia want independence for Republika Srpska. The Serbs in Bosnia want the same rights that albanians, croats and bosnjaks ask for, namely the right to self determination. No truly democratic and fair country can deny Serbs that right. There is no amount of money and no EU membership that will make any Serbian government to give up on its brothers and sisters in Bosnia and Kosovo. Americans are nothing but hypocrites and warmongers. Serbia should disstance itself from America!

some of the most offensive statements regarding the EU i've ever heard!!

this was just a warning to the EU that if things dont go as the USA wishes they do.. then the USA will take it over from the EU !!

proof that the EU is nothing more then the USA's step child....WOWOWOW

Its americas stand which is the greatest concern and the reason of lack of progress. Serbia has proven its not giving up on Kosovo and serbs in Bosnia want independence. No fair negotiations, no peace. One more ignorant american who wants to tell the Serbian leadership to let go of something that is theirs will not make any difference. God save us from international politics dictated from Washington. Just look at the mess in Irak and Afghanistan.

"... explain to me and everyone else why the US is trying to dictate the terms of that Union."

Simple: how many years of fruitless European-led diplomacy were there before the US got involved in Bosnia and ended the problem? (Too bad they were restricted to merely halting the killing rather than coming up with a long-term workable solution - even Holbrooke says now Dayton was a mistake.) Ever since Bosnia, the US has been leery of leaving the Europeans to start negotiations that go on forever and solve nothing.

--He added that he hoped the U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton would take the course of solving two major remaining problems in the Balkans, which were Kosovo and Bosnia.

"I hope that Hillary Clinton will, if she wants to push things forward, request from Belgrade to give up its territorial ambitions in Bosnia and Kosovo if they want to join the NATO and European Union," Serwer said.

Serwer believes that Belgrade will say they had no territorial ambitions in Bosnia, but Serbian President Boris Tadić “has recently shown open support to a presidential candidate in the Republic of Srpska who claimed territorial ambitions and promised a referendum on the independence of the RS".--

Thank you, daniel serwer! exactly what we have been saying to the blgd regime for years now. hands off yr neighbors. no more imperialism. learn to live in peace with yr neighbors instead of attacking them.

it is the only way to gain peace and stability in the region, which is the only way to help the lives of ordinary people, so many of whom continue to live in poverty. "quiet" desperation.

i've admired serwer for years, wish him only the best!

ciao.

roberto
frisco

"As for Kosovo Mr.Daniel Serwer you forgot one little detail and that is UN resolution 1244 which USA signed.Kosovo is now and always will be IN SERBIA.
(Luke Buyenovich, 9 October 2010 06:01)

Luke,

You forgot big thing that UN resolution 1244 refers to Yugoslavia which doesn't exist anymore. That is a VERY BIG "forgetting" or misjudgement. I know you will say that Serbia is the successor....and bla bla bla but then the political conversation go outside your judgment. The very last thing why ICJ would not say that Kosovo independece was illegal if it would have found that "Kosovo has been and it is part of Serbia" as you put it. Don't keep on reading the Serbian myths that would be my advise.

Yes indeed. I always wonder why my tax dollars are spent funding this pantsuit-wearing primadonna to go around the world telling others what to do. All I can say is thank God she never got elected president.
(Ashamed_American, 8 October 2010 18:02)

Last time I checked, it is not Serbian government or serbian medias who are administering the US taxpayers money.
Therefore all grievances and wonderings about your taxes should be addressed to US government.

The US should first give up being the World Policeman, then we'll talk about what Serbia should or shouldn't give up...

Belgrade to give up its territorial ambitions in Bosnia and Kosovo if they want to join the NATO and European Union
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That's the funniest thing I've heard. It's like telling a child to give up its sweets and for being obedient it will receive a smack. ROFL!!

Instructions by Mr.Daniel Serwer
to Hillary Clinton "give up on
Kosovo,Bosnia"Mr.Daniel Sewer use quite wide brush here painting both Bosnia and Kosovo the same.Well, both entities are creation of the West(USA&EU)with some basic differences.Bosnia& Herzegovina was split in two entity by Dayton accord.Muslim/Croat federation and Republika Srpska.Each one is to have Government of its own and army of its own,plus loose central Government and rotating Presidency.This sorry entity as was poorly conceived is in existence for about 15 years.There is no progress to date on two key elements (economy and education)plus integration of armed forces (Republika Srpska opted no to have a army but Muslim Croat Federation insist of having one.Educationally Serbian children are educated in schools run by Serbian Orthodox Church which curriculum meets EU standard.This kind of arrangement apparently is not acceptable to Muslim or Croats.Economically Republika Srpska is self sufficient and does not receive any help from the West (USA or EU)Muslim/Croat federation is receiving help from USA and EU,begging for some more.So Mr.Daniel Serwer in light of these obvious difficulties put your money where your mouth is.As for Kosovo Mr.Daniel Serwer you forgot one little detail and that is UN resolution 1244 which USA signed.Kosovo is now and always will be IN SERBIA.The best advice you could have given Madam Hillary Clinton is to stay home.Broke,no money no influence,waste of time.

The article should read, "Serbia should stop interfering in Kosovo, and Bosnia".

The 'solution' they have gone for will never work in the long term.

I don't think Tadic is a traitor - he is trying to do what is right for Serbia as regards the EU. However, if he is part of some creeping seduction of the Serbian nation into their signing away their ownership of Kosovo permanently - then he will eventually be replaced.

Serbia is pragmatic about the current situation and is taking a role - even through the barriers erected by 1244 etc..

Territorial Integrity as mentioned in 1244 was only limited by the requirement for strong autonomy. That is all there is in 'Kosova' - the current situation is not a udi, its a protectorate. In talking to Pristina that is all that Serbia is acknowledging or will ever acknowledge. That is also the actuality.

Yes indeed. I always wonder why my tax dollars are spent funding this pantsuit-wearing primadonna to go around the world telling others what to do. All I can say is thank God she never got elected president.
(Ashamed_American, 8 October 2010 18:02)

Last time I checked, it is not Serbian government or serbian medias who are administering the US taxpayers money.
Therefore all grievances and wonderings about your taxes should be addressed to US government.
(Simpatiku, 9 October 2010 12:16)

And these grievances ARE addressed here in the US. The last time I checked, this media outlet has a forum to discuss things relating to Serbia, and unfortunately Serbia has been the recipient of far too much meddling by the Clintons. If you don't like what I say, well, tough.

The article should read, "Serbia should stop interfering in Kosovo, and Bosnia".
(KOSO)
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What are you talking about? This is all Serbian land.

It's america who needs to give back the stolen lands back to Mexico!
(Ratko, 8 October 2010 19:55)

Well how dare those Mexicans stole 15mn USD (1846 value) from the U.S.A. How dare they....grrrr (do you silly this sounds? Mexico lost the war and sold the lands at extremely large sum, probably triple its actual value.

According to Serbia , other countries like Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro and so called Macedonia ,was a territory of Serbia but guess what those countries are for decades independent and some of theme are in the Eu union and doing well. I say enough to Serbia and its citizens , let go to something that's not yours and focus in to Europe future,get over with your radical thoughts ,Kosovo will never be yours again .Become europian country, that's your primary thing to do, don't show your arrogance to the world instead show that Serbia is different than while Milosevic's regime.

There is no point with Serbia fighting this loosing battle, what will Serbia achieve in the long term? Nothing! Serbia should focus on it's European future where she belongs.
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2010 11:28)

Yes, even Sultan Murad said (almost) the same in 1389:

"There is no point with Serbia fighting this loosing battle, what will Serbia achieve in the long term? Nothing! Serbia should focus on it's Ottoman future where she belongs"

But these Serbs never listen to good reasoning... and win somehow, just because.

You forgot big thing that UN resolution 1244 refers to Yugoslavia which doesn't exist anymore. That is a VERY BIG "forgetting" or misjudgement. I know you will say that Serbia is the successor....and bla bla bla but then the political conversation go outside your judgment. The very last thing why ICJ would not say that Kosovo independece was illegal if it would have found that "Kosovo has been and it is part of Serbia" as you put it. Don't keep on reading the Serbian myths that would be my advise.
(EA)
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WoW EA, how many times do you need to be told that it was stated that Serbia is the successor of Yugoslavia, do you come here for facts, information and dialogue, or simply to instigate ?

"Institute of Subservience"

The Obama Administration is not really interested in Kosovo or Bosnia. There will never again be American military intervention. Hilary Clinton will resign in six months;she will never be President. If the Serbs have the will and courage to take back or consolidate their lands,they can. If the Serbs want to sell-out to the mighty Dutch and the EU, they can do that,too. But the US is a declining player here and the Muslims no longer have an "air force".

Apparent everybody has the right to self-determination except the Serbs, whether in Kosovo or Bosnie. Well, if the (inadequate) ICJ ruling on Kosovo made something clear, then it is that everybody can claim independence nowadays.
While the West in confronted with internal tensions due to immigration, they try to hold on to this dream of multi-culturalism. While Yugoslavia was an example of multi-culturalism and mutli-relgiousness, NATO induced Bosnia is not. Neither is the West itself.
Hillary Clinton better worry more about sniper attacks.
And the US is a superpower on the way back.

Serbia will never give up on Kosovo and Bosnia. Mister Serwer is to understand this. Perhaps, one day in the future, economic life in Serbia will get so good that Kosovo and Bosnia might willingly want to rejoin Serbia, with a political team inwhich equal rights are guaranteed for all the people of Serbia and Serbia's wealth distributed among its people. And Serbia is not anti Muslim. Serbia rebuilt, at tremendous cost, at least one mosque; that mosque in Belgrade. Mister Serwer spouts such political garbage.

This Sewer guy is a nobody. Paid lobbyist so nobody with any integrity listens to him.

"Kosovo je Srbija. It's america who needs to give back the stolen lands back to Mexico!
(Ratko, 8 October 2010 19:55) "

And then Mexico should give the lands back to the Indians. And the Slavs should give Poland, CR, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, etc. back to the Germans, Celts, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Romans (?), etc. Or maybe everybody should just go back to Africa (won't they be surprised!) and sort it all out and forget the mess people made of settling the earth the first time. Right?

I consider myself neutral when it comes to Bosnia and Kosovo. But these statements coming from the secretary of state of the US is unprofessional. She gives the impression of a charlatan.

Thats never gonna happen, because almost every single Serb in Serbia has attachments to Kosovo, Bosna, Krajina or Montenegro. Its imbedded within our DNA forever - so no president or side-kick mouthpiece working for Obama or any other administration can change that. Serbs have something the west will never have - a soul and a God they believe in.

I very seldom respond to the critique on my commentary.However,I find it necessary to respond to EA or who ever that is or might be.UNSC resolution 1244 has no expiration date.Therefore remain in force until new resolution is passed.ICJ ruling acknowledged right to proclaim independence but does not guarantee sovereignty.Kosovo independence is recognized by quite few States but because of lack of sovereignty no diplomatic presence could be established without Serbia's consent.Case in point is USA Ambassador to Kosovo who signed document in Belgrade limiting His diplomatic activities.As of to-day Kosovo international borders check points are in SERBIAN HANDS.So Albanians authorities and their friends better get use to it.

keep dreaming that serbia will ever be again ruling kosovo!!
You did not manage to control kosovo during 1000years of oppression and you think that now that we are independent,you will??!!

Amer-- Sorry to burst your bubble Amer but your so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe. And the Germans and Celts??? I am not going to even bother with the dysfunctionality of your statement...

Try opening a book that wasn't printed under Hashish publications in kosovo, and perhaps something, anything can be learned.
(trudsaam, 10 October 2010 00:16)

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?

@ UK

"...Americans would like to let the EU deal with the Balkans, provided they were given assurances the EU could manage without the United States."

Sadly true

Amer-- Sorry to burst your bubble Amer but your so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe. And the Germans and Celts??? I am not going to even bother with the dysfunctionality of your statement...

Try opening a book that wasn't printed under Hashish publications in kosovo, and perhaps something, anything can be learned.

Daniel Who?


=)


never, Daniel, never.

and that means for that woman that she should better think it over to come to Serbia with these illusions.

or she should find better consultants.

And then Mexico should give the lands back to the Indians. And the Slavs should give Poland, CR, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, etc. back to the Germans, Celts, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Romans (?), etc. Or maybe everybody should just go back to Africa (won't they be surprised!) and sort it all out and forget the mess people made of settling the earth the first time. Right?
(Amer, 9 October 2010 19:12)
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You just proved my point. Kosovo was Serbian for the past 700 years so how far do YOU want to go back?
Even if you could prove Albanian existance in Kosovo prior to that (which you cannot as you don't have any tangible evidence) how far back to we go to redraw borders?

If it could it would do exactly that, but it’s too, too late because the US has been printing greenbacks since May 2010 without any basis to back that extra money in the system – it seems that the world has begun to abandon the US. The US is are doing this as a very last resort claiming that, and get this, with the greenback cheaper “they can produce and export more” – this came out of a US Treasury official’s mouth at last week’s IMF meeting which made the Chinse board member laugh at that statement. Err, what about all the money the US owes? How are you going to repay it? With the Greenback cheaper the interest alone will be staggering.
Now what was Kilton going to do again? Ha, ha.

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?
(Mark, 10 October 2010 23:38)
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Trying to be smart only made you look foolish.
You know very well that was not meant by that statement. Why do you try to distort what people say in order to make them look foolish when all you accomplish is making youself look stupid?

It doesn't work. Give it up.

Amer-- Sorry to burst your bubble Amer but your so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe. And the Germans and Celts??? I am not going to even bother with the dysfunctionality of your statement...

Try opening a book that wasn't printed under Hashish publications in kosovo, and perhaps something, anything can be learned.
(trudsaam, 10 October 2010 00:16)

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?
(Mark)
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Where in my statement did i say "Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago"?

Nice try Mark. Selective argumentation doesnt work well, when we have the ability to "copy and paste".

Trudsaam, just trying to better understand your post... Are you saying that Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago ?
(Mark, 10 October 2010 23:38)

No Mark. You are.

Where in my statement did i say "Serbs were in Kosovo since when earth was created some 4.5 billion years ago"?

Nice try Mark. Selective argumentation doesnt work well, when we have the ability to "copy and paste".
(trudsaam, 11 October 2010 00:25)

I did not say you said that… That’s why I asked for confirmation to understand what your words meant. So let me try asking again with the full explanation where my question came from.

So you said the “so called fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe” and I’m assuming you are correct here (let me know if I should not assume that). So then the question is, who was there before the Serbs if that’s not Illyrians, and who was there before those who were there before the Serbs and so on to the earth’s creation some 4.5 billion years ago (assuming science is correct with that – let me know again if my assumption is not correct). Since you did not mention anything about who was there before the Serbs, I asked you whether that omission meant that Serbs were there since 4.5 billion ago. If that’s not what you meant, that’s fine, I was just trying to understand and a simple yes or no is sufficient.

Trying to be smart only made you look foolish.
You know very well that was not meant by that statement. Why do you try to distort what people say in order to make them look foolish when all you accomplish is making youself look stupid?

It doesn't work. Give it up.
(Peggy, 11 October 2010 00:57)

If I were trying to be smart I would not ask a question. I asked a question (if you saw the question mark) trying to understand better what somebody’s statement meant before giving a counter argument… There are no stupid questions; there are only stupid answers. And I’m waiting for the answer from the author of the post.

If you want to answer in his/her place than please explain if the “fairy tale of Illyria is dated long after the Slavs settled in Eastern Europe” does not mean that Serbs were settled there since earth’s creation, then who was there before the Serbs. Thanks in advance for your help.

Kosovo was Serbian for the past 700 years so how far do YOU want to go back?
Even if you could prove Albanian existance in Kosovo prior to that (which you cannot as you don't have any tangible evidence) how far back to we go to redraw borders?
(Peggy, 11 October 2010 01:01)

I don't even care to prove anything in regards to Albanians; I'm just assuming you are correct that Serbs were there for 700 years. But why stop at 700 and not at 1 year, or 10 years, or 100 years, or 701 years, or 7,000 years, or 70,000 years, or 700,000 years or 3,700,000 years ? Why should we select only the last 0.0000016% of that territory’s history ? That's the point I'm trying to understand.

MArk, it seems you have taken this discussion completely out of context.

Let's stick to the basics. Kosovo NOW is considered apart of Serbia, so lets forget about 7000 years ago.

You are posing all the questions, but where are you trying to direct this discussion? Its not clear to me.
(trudsaam, 13 October 2010 17:11)

I noticed some posts around trying to justify the rights over Kosovo based on selective history for hundreds of years so I was trying to better understand that argument. But, I fully agree with you; what matters is what Kosovo is today and let’s forget about hundreds or thousands of years ago.

So, coming to today, Kosovo is considered part of Serbia by you, and that’s perfectly fine; everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. However 90% of those who live in Kosovo don’t consider it to be part of Serbia and what I or you or Serbia or, say, Namibia thinks about it does not have any impact on their lives. We can use all labeling we want here, but that does not change a basic fact that Serbia can’t control what happens in Kosovo. So do you want to call Kosovo “part of Serbia”; it’s perfectly fine by me – not worth arguing about since labeling does not change the reality on the ground.

I can say now that I think Serbia is part of Kosovo. Does that matter; of course not (except for me achieving happiness from that thought) since that’s not the reality on the ground because 100% of those who live in Serbia don’t share my opinion. It is the opinion of those in Serbia that matters, not the opinion of outsiders like me.

The ones with 'territorial ambitions' are the Bosnian Islamists and the Albanians. Nobody is telling them to give up their ideas for a Greater Albania or to give up their ideas of annexing Republika Srpska and scrapping the Dayton Accords while imposing a centralized state on everyone else. The Serbs have the audacity to simply want to defend what the western powers supposedly agreed upon - resolution 1244 and the Dayton Accords. It is the West's clients which keep wanting more, more, more - using their rich friends in the EU and NATO to blackmail Serbia into forfeiting not only their identity and heritage but right to basic security and protection.

I don't even care to prove anything in regards to Albanians; I'm just assuming you are correct that Serbs were there for 700 years. But why stop at 700 and not at 1 year, or 10 years, or 100 years, or 701 years, or 7,000 years, or 70,000 years, or 700,000 years or 3,700,000 years ? Why should we select only the last 0.0000016% of that territory’s history ? That's the point I'm trying to understand.
(Mark)
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MArk, it seems you have taken this discussion completely out of context.

Let's stick to the basics. Kosovo NOW is considered apart of Serbia, so lets forget about 7000 years ago.

You are posing all the questions, but where are you trying to direct this discussion? Its not clear to me.

I don't even care to prove anything in regards to Albanians; I'm just assuming you are correct that Serbs were there for 700 years. But why stop at 700 and not at 1 year, or 10 years, or 100 years, or 701 years, or 7,000 years, or 70,000 years, or 700,000 years or 3,700,000 years ? Why should we select only the last 0.0000016% of that territory’s history ? That's the point I'm trying to understand.
(Mark, 13 October 2010 05:34)
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There is such a thing as asking a stupid question.
Now let me answer you. The reason I said that Serbs have Kosovo for the last 700 years is that it is precisely that, the last 700 years to present.
So we don't have to go back in order to establish who owns Kosovo. For the past 700 to now it's been Serbian. If you wish to go back prior to 700 years then you will have to prove your ownership of Kosovo first and then explain why you wish to go back to that long ago to establish ownership.
To change borders now according to some Illyrian myth is really, really stupid. No country in the world would redraw their borders based on who had what 700 years ago and lost it then to the current owners.

I wonder if you will be able to understand this.