Big difference between northern Kosovo and Gaza... northern Kosovo is connected to the rest of Serbia, with 98% Serbian population in the north, you will have a hard time treating Serbs as the Israelis do the Palestinians.
(Jason, 7 October 2010)
Who said anything about treating Serbs like the Palestinians? I meant a lawless economically depressed region.
The Serbs face a choice: they can use N. Mitrovica as a bridgebuilder between the two communities or they can turn into another Gaza. Take your pick.
(Zoti, 7 October 2010 16:26)
Big difference between northern Kosovo and Gaza... northern Kosovo is connected to the rest of Serbia, with 98% Serbian population in the north, you will have a hard time treating Serbs as the Israelis do the Palestinians.
I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business.
(PRN, 6 October 2010 10:01)
Nope PRN, Kosovo (or Albanian Kosovo) means crime or criminal business, not business as we know it in the US.
(Daniel, 6 October 2010 12:41)
Actually Daniel,
you are only partially correct. Albanian business here in the US is still crime and criminal business.
So, to conclude, no I didnt miss the point at all thank you.
(UK, 7 October 2010)
UK you seem to be missing the larger point here: Kosova is independent and any mobile operator operating unlicensed by Prishtina will not be tolerated. Those operating under a license will be granted the full protection of the law. You may not like it but this the new reality in Kosova. Feel free to bury your head in the sand if you so wish.
The Serbs face a choice: they can use N. Mitrovica as a bridgebuilder between the two communities or they can turn into another Gaza. Take your pick.
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
Two totally different things.
(nikshala, 6 October 2010 13:06)
The point I was making was that it appears ok to remove (irrespective of the means by which they are removed) perfectly legal Serb owned equipment in order to render the Serbs who use it, withount basic telephone systems but when K Alb equipment is removed (by whatever means) it suddenly requires the mobilisation of armed forces and it prompts speculation of Russian involvement in an attemt to bring about destabilisation. I was attempting to highlight the starkly different reactions to the two events. Please dont try to imply that I somehow diminished the impact of a child being injured any more than I would have attempted to diminish the impact to the unfortunate individual who was reported to have not been able to reach hospital to receive treatment as a result of the Serb network being damaged. So, to conclude, no I didnt miss the point at all thank you.
Strange article... The main crime seems to be the destruction of a mobile phone station - what seems to me a rather politicial act and not primarily criminal. It seems to me also rather dubious that those four people will just wait until they are arrested.
"Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'. " (kate)
Had the 'west' intervened in the overthrow, you would have been screaming injustice, interference, meddling in internal affairs etc.(nikshala, 6 October 2010 16:11)
Why "had"? Why "no support from the west"? Some Serbian poster here like to live in the illusion that the whole overthrow was not based on the Serbian people and their will no to accept manipulated elections, but was all initialized by OTPOR, which has been, of course, financed by Soros, THE WEST and other sources of the evil in the world ;-)
It looks like the serbian government gave up completely on Kosovo and now the north is being cleared from any kind of parallel institutions or any kind of organized crime.
I havent seen Jeremic lately that much travelling, he also gave up on his empty rhetoric too.
"The joke here is you buddy. A whopping 3 you came up with??? Furthermore, I daresay they must spend a great deal of time in Pristina at HQ because I have yet to see them around the north.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 18:08)
No need to get frustrated, I anwsered what you first stated. If they are mostly hanging in Prishtina as you say they are, how come their task and located is in northern Kosovo's municipality? It doesnt make sense and beside its where UNMIK still have some "power" as to say. Now, dont you think its kind of funny you as an EULEX employee dont know who's in charge of what in northen Kosovo? Out of curiosity, what exactly is your task there?
"As Zoran pointed out already, there is no advantage for Serbs to have Russians come and destabilize the north. That's a silly point and a pathetic attempt to cover up someone else's wrongdoing. Why have you made no mention of the BND bombing of the Eulex office in 2008? There is no reason to not believe they could be up to some other false-flag attacks for some political gain.
As for ROSU, if there were Russians there I suspect it would not turn out well for KP or ROSU units... they are not combat troops."
(Jason, 6 October 2010 18:08)
Why wouldnt they, we have seen Russian soldiers as volunteers in the Kosovo war, well those captured or killed by UCK forces. What ROSU can and cant lets just say they wouldnt have a problem against 20 Russian soldiers, yet responding to terrorist activities is SIU's expertise of work.
Their big complaint about the North is that they don't have their police presence there
But north mitrovica is the most observed place and every mvt is registred overthere,even if the info up to now was not transmitted to kps!The tolerance that kfor and eulex had for these mvts and activities is just a political matter...Now that talks are important,they need to give a point to albanians....And next time they will give a point to serbs.
But be sure that they know-and we know- every mvt there,thanks to the multiple camera,dromes,and satellites there!
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 11:08)
Vladimir Anokhin from Russia is acting head of the UNMIK administration in northern Mitrovica. Lilia Galieva, also from Russia is the municipal representative of UNMIK in Leposavic. The third Russian offical is Vladimir Grmovov, municipal representative in Zvecan.
Not any you say Jason, how about we cut the jokes and stick to real facts.
-- The joke here is you buddy. A whopping 3 you came up with??? Furthermore, I daresay they must spend a great deal of time in Pristina at HQ because I have yet to see them around the north.
What goes for the article, if its true these Russian soldiers are inolved in terror acts or endager local security in anyway, then we have a big problem. KFOR and EULEX should deal with them immediately, its their responsibility first and for most. If not, let SIU and ROSU from KP's special unit do their job, its what they have been training for the past years.
(Pejoni, 6 October 2010
17:06)
--As Zoran pointed out already, there is no advantage for Serbs to have Russians come and destabilize the north. That's a silly point and a pathetic attempt to cover up someone else's wrongdoing. Why have you made no mention of the BND bombing of the Eulex office in 2008? There is no reason to not believe they could be up to some other false-flag attacks for some political gain.
As for ROSU, if there were Russians there I suspect it would not turn out well for KP or ROSU units... they are not combat troops.
I've heard a lot of excuses but the one abuout the 20 russian commandos is the best. Just like during the war the albanians are finding new and dumber excuses for NATO intervention to occupie the North.
This was posted by someone else but I'll repost here as I believe it to be very appropriate. Check http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21317
"if Milosevic continued his policies of extermination which would have led to tens of thousands of dead albanians and more than a million expelled, but luckily the rest of the world didnt agree and they thought there was a need to put a stop to this bloody madness" - Nikshala............You still trying to sell that BS? That is old NATO propaganda to justify their expansion and survival. Take a look at the this link http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/78451 NATO's bombing campaign was not for the love of Albanians.
It really is interesting. Their big complaint about the North is that they don't have their police presence there, which as they claim is the "reason" for the "lawlessness". But even without their police presence in the North, they were able to figure out "four persons who are seen as criminal leaders in northern Kosovo", and have already arrested a Serb they say is responsible for recent crimes.
But in the rest of Kosovo, where they have had a police presense for a decade, they can't manage to prosecute and in most cases even arrest Albanians committing crimes against non-Albanians, even when the crimes are repeated again and again in a small village or settlement.
It is just amazing to me, how they can be so good at "catching criminals" in a place where they don't have a presence, but so incapable in a place where they have had a presence for a decade. It just defies logic, unless one additional parameter is added to the logic sequence, that they try their best not to arrest and especially prosecute Albanians for crimes against non-Albanians, especially against Serbs. When that parameter is added, then it all fits in to place and the logic works.
"Congratulations" Albanians, just 10 more percent and your ethnic-removal (I won't say ethnic-cleansing because there is nothing clean about this wickedness) mission will be complete. Kosovo will be the uni-ethnic country you were hoping for, and maybe if you are lucky, will be ready to join greater Albania and you can finally get rid of that pesky EU star and colour branded flag they are making you use.
"And there it is, as I said yesterday, they are trying anything they can to take control of the North. It will be much easier for them to convince the world of Kosovo "independence" if this last Serbian holdout is toppled." (Ark I)
-- I wouldn't get so fatalistic. This is a criminal sweep, not a political imposition. One man has already been arrested by EULEX police because of a previous international arrest warrant. This also appears to be part of EULEX's ongoing, albeit stalled, campaign from this summer in combating corruption that is endemic throughout all of Kosovo. It already netted some key figures in the Pristina government. I sincerely doubt these activities up north with bring Pristina any closer to "integrating" it. EULEX wants stability, not another uprising.
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 11:08)
Vladimir Anokhin from Russia is acting head of the UNMIK administration in northern Mitrovica. Lilia Galieva, also from Russia is the municipal representative of UNMIK in Leposavic. The third Russian offical is Vladimir Grmovov, municipal representative in Zvecan.
Not any you say Jason, how about we cut the jokes and stick to real facts.
What goes for the article, if its true these Russian soldiers are inolved in terror acts or endager local security in anyway, then we have a big problem. KFOR and EULEX should deal with them immediately, its their responsibility first and for most. If not, let SIU and ROSU from KP's special unit do their job, its what they have been training for the past years.
Nikshala Milosevic was not elected 'due to the popularity of his nationalist views'.
The initial success (he was forced to seek coalitions / deals in following elections) that Milosevic had was due to his succesfully deceiving nationalists and former jugoslavs into thinking he was one of them. And to seal the deal he painted himself as a man who knew business having worked in the financial sector / US to appeal to 'democratic' minded voters.
Of course the truth was that Milosevic was nothing more than a self interested, short termist politician who left a mess wherever he interfered.
Lets be truthful in the assesment about Milosevic and not repeat the myth that the man was a nationalist.
"You as 'non'-Serb appear to have an answer to every Serb concern. It is amazing" (PRN)
-- And you as an "Albanian" with the silliest and most irrational statements are one of the last people to critique. If you read the article carefully, as Kate apparently has done, this seems to be a coordinated effort by EULEX and KFOR. KPS, if they operate at all, will likely be a supplementary force. You also forgot to note that Belgrade apparently "approved" the move as well. I didn't see anywhere in the article that this is an operation under Pristina's authortity since it has no authority up there. For whatever reason, you feel inclined to believe EULEX is at the whim of Pristina. Ok, that's you're opinion but if that were the case, the north would not remain out of its control.
There will be no "integration" with the rest of Kosovo as you think, and as you've always hoped. If it's a sweep of big fish, I say go ahead, but don't be surprised if Belgrade and Mitrovica remain the legitimate presence.
And there it is, as I said yesterday, they are trying anything they can to take control of the North. It will be much easier for them to convince the world of Kosovo "independence" if this last Serbian holdout is toppled.
If the Serbs they are arresting are actually guilty of the crimes they are being accused of, then I guess they misunderstood the situation in Kosovo. Crimes only go unpunished when committed by Albanians against non-Albanians.
"Like him or hate him, Milosevic was elected. You can question how it was done, in the same way that you could question the elections in the US, Italy, Britain etc.
I say again, disgraceful!
(kate, 6 October 2010 13:50)
Yes, Milosevic was democratically elected due to the popularity of his nationalistic views, hence the reason why serbian people had to pay the price for his actions.
"There was no need for the attack on Serbia, against a civilian population who had already suffered and were longterm allies." (kate)
You can twist it how you like, but you know as well that the NATO attacks were not targeting civilians intentionally. Yes civilians died, which is a crime, but the purpose of the NATO attacks was to defeat the Milosevic regime.
Now you might not think that there was a need to attack Serbia because you might not have minded if Milosevic continued his policies of extermination which would have led to tens of thousands of dead albanians and more than a million expelled, but luckily the rest of the world didnt agree and they thought there was a need to put a stop to this bloody madness. There was nothing disgraceful about stopping the murder and destruction that was happening at the time. The end to war benefited both sides (even though serbs might not see that way just now).
"Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'. " (kate)
Yes, millions were happy to overthrow him after he lost the war in Kosovo as well and plunged the country into further trouble. Had he succeeded in 'liberating' Kosovo from us albanians and 'won' the war, the popularity gained within the serbian population would have kept him in power for many years to come. We know it, serbs know it.
He lost, the opposition gave him away for money.
Had the 'west' intervened in the overthrow, you would have been screaming injustice, interference, meddling in internal affairs etc.
So many contradictions in your post, I could go on and on.
Niksala, can you can the Milosevic once and for all. He must have left quite an impression on you, for still keeping him close to your heart. It's 2010, and Kosovo is faced with many challenges, but Milosevic is not one. Move on, Mr/Ms Niksala, stop living in the past.
prn, I doubt that Eulex ask the snake for any OK on anything, it is more like he is told what will happen. As for cleaning the north of thugs, what about your own thugs in Pristina? When, and who will get rid of them? They mostly come from the terrorist KLA, remember, they were labelled that by the US State Dept. They are also come from clan families in KiM, and we all know they are in charge of most criminal activity in KiM. Who will get rid of the Albanian banditos, PRN?
No, actually, it was EULEX and the UN that organised this mission to arrest a few 'big fish' WITH the go-ahead from Belgrade. That hardly tallies with your version, does it?
(kate, 6 October 2010 11:21)
Kate,
You as 'non'-Serb appear to have an answer to every Serb concern. It is amazing...:)
You forget that no decision is taken without full consent by mr Thaci and his government.
You also 'forget' that EULEX recognizes Kosovo and as such work coordination is always top priority where the former cannot displease the latter as the latter invited the former...
Let me remind you that this action is to clear the North of Kosovo from the thugs and criminals that are a threat to Serbs themselves in the North first but also to the rest nationalities in Kosovo.
Time to get rid of the and organize elections there...
"It is disgraceful how the 'international community' has attacked, sanctioned, demonised and poisoned Serbia, and now they will all start crawling up to Belgrade like flies round the proverbial.
(kate, 6 October 2010 11:21)
These attacks, sanction and demonisation of Serbia as you call it, only happened during the Milosevic regime. This stopped almost completely after the fall of Milosevic and since then Serbia has been given many 'carrots' by the international community.
However, if you agree with what Milosevic was doing and you view everything that was happening at the time as 'western propaganda', then I can see how you might see that as 'disgraceful'!
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
(nikshala, 6 October 2010 13:06)
--
What you are comparing is organised crime vs. covert crime. As far as I'm concerned both crimes are being committed with the blessing of NATO.
Nikshala: "However, if you agree with what Milosevic was doing and you view everything that was happening at the time as 'western propaganda', then I can see how you might see that as 'disgraceful'!"
I don't agree with what Milosevic was doing to his own people, regardless of ethnicity.
But I also still find the attacks on, and demonisation of, Serbia absolutely disgraceful.
The two are separate issues.
Like him or hate him, Milosevic was elected. You can question how it was done, in the same way that you could question the elections in the US, Italy, Britain etc.
Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'.
There was no need for the attack on Serbia, against a civilian population who had already suffered and were longterm allies.
Serbs, it is time to take the situation in ur hands, I tell. Just show u r not letting this clan based and criminal "democracy" coming from the S of IBAR to rule u and retain at least this part of Serbia, so that Europeans can come to N-Mitro and enjoy some slivo.
"So, licensed Serb owned telecomms equipment gets destroyed and nobody worries about it because after all its only Serb customers who have their phones cut off as a result. However, as soon as a K Alb owned piece of telecomms equipment gets damaged suddenly all the military in the area is mobilised and there are rumours (laughable ones at that) that the Russian special forces are responsible in an attempt to destabilise the region? Are these comments for real or is it some kind of joke?
(UK, 6 October 2010 11:22) "
UK,
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business.
(PRN, 6 October 2010 10:01)
Nope PRN, Kosovo (or Albanian Kosovo) means crime or criminal business, not business as we know it in the US.
OK, perhaps there are some Russian intelligence there and I suppose the way to get rid of them is to throw grenades around (the Germans?) and to blame the Russians. .
(Zoran, 6 October 2010, 10:33)
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
So, licensed Serb owned telecomms equipment gets destroyed and nobody worries about it because after all its only Serb customers who have their phones cut off as a result. However, as soon as a K Alb owned piece of telecomms equipment gets damaged suddenly all the military in the area is mobilised and there are rumours (laughable ones at that) that the Russian special forces are responsible in an attempt to destabilise the region? Are these comments for real or is it some kind of joke?
PRN: "I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business."
No, actually, it was EULEX and the UN that organised this mission to arrest a few 'big fish' WITH the go-ahead from Belgrade. That hardly tallies with your version, does it?
I see it as a joint effort to supposedly clear the criminal element before plans go ahead towards partition (did you see Albright's nauseous Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal this morning?).
Realisation has dawned that any longterm solution needs Serbia onboard, and suddenly things are starting to shift.
It is disgraceful how the 'international community' has attacked, sanctioned, demonised and poisoned Serbia, and now they will all start crawling up to Belgrade like flies round the proverbial.
Hope that Belgrade milks it for all they can - promised reparations would be a good start.
The goal of this, international officials said, was to increase the presence of KFOR, EULEX and Kosovo police in order to secure peace and security for all citizens. remember kosovo police come from heart of KLA . KLA is moving on whole repoblic of kosovo i'so welcome this good news its time for those criminals to go in kosovo jail
those are likely "20 elite members of the Russian military who crossed into Kosovo in order to destabilize the situation in that area"
--
Haha, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. A stable north does not benefit NATOs plans of controlling all of Kosovo. It's not like Serbia has tanks waiting at the administrative border ready to take back control. So these acts certainly don't benefit us.
OK, perhaps there are some Russian intelligence there and I suppose the way to get rid of them is to throw grenades around (the Germans?) and to blame the Russians. The west is certainly up to its old tricks again and it looks like Belgrade is playing along. What a shame.
those are likely "20 elite members of the Russian military who crossed into Kosovo in order to destabilize the situation in that area"
--
Haha, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. A stable north does not benefit NATOs plans of controlling all of Kosovo. It's not like Serbia has tanks waiting at the administrative border ready to take back control. So these acts certainly don't benefit us.
OK, perhaps there are some Russian intelligence there and I suppose the way to get rid of them is to throw grenades around (the Germans?) and to blame the Russians. The west is certainly up to its old tricks again and it looks like Belgrade is playing along. What a shame.
OK, perhaps there are some Russian intelligence there and I suppose the way to get rid of them is to throw grenades around (the Germans?) and to blame the Russians. .
(Zoran, 6 October 2010, 10:33)
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
So, licensed Serb owned telecomms equipment gets destroyed and nobody worries about it because after all its only Serb customers who have their phones cut off as a result. However, as soon as a K Alb owned piece of telecomms equipment gets damaged suddenly all the military in the area is mobilised and there are rumours (laughable ones at that) that the Russian special forces are responsible in an attempt to destabilise the region? Are these comments for real or is it some kind of joke?
PRN: "I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business."
No, actually, it was EULEX and the UN that organised this mission to arrest a few 'big fish' WITH the go-ahead from Belgrade. That hardly tallies with your version, does it?
I see it as a joint effort to supposedly clear the criminal element before plans go ahead towards partition (did you see Albright's nauseous Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal this morning?).
Realisation has dawned that any longterm solution needs Serbia onboard, and suddenly things are starting to shift.
It is disgraceful how the 'international community' has attacked, sanctioned, demonised and poisoned Serbia, and now they will all start crawling up to Belgrade like flies round the proverbial.
Hope that Belgrade milks it for all they can - promised reparations would be a good start.
"It is disgraceful how the 'international community' has attacked, sanctioned, demonised and poisoned Serbia, and now they will all start crawling up to Belgrade like flies round the proverbial.
(kate, 6 October 2010 11:21)
These attacks, sanction and demonisation of Serbia as you call it, only happened during the Milosevic regime. This stopped almost completely after the fall of Milosevic and since then Serbia has been given many 'carrots' by the international community.
However, if you agree with what Milosevic was doing and you view everything that was happening at the time as 'western propaganda', then I can see how you might see that as 'disgraceful'!
I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business.
(PRN, 6 October 2010 10:01)
Nope PRN, Kosovo (or Albanian Kosovo) means crime or criminal business, not business as we know it in the US.
Serbs, it is time to take the situation in ur hands, I tell. Just show u r not letting this clan based and criminal "democracy" coming from the S of IBAR to rule u and retain at least this part of Serbia, so that Europeans can come to N-Mitro and enjoy some slivo.
Nikshala: "However, if you agree with what Milosevic was doing and you view everything that was happening at the time as 'western propaganda', then I can see how you might see that as 'disgraceful'!"
I don't agree with what Milosevic was doing to his own people, regardless of ethnicity.
But I also still find the attacks on, and demonisation of, Serbia absolutely disgraceful.
The two are separate issues.
Like him or hate him, Milosevic was elected. You can question how it was done, in the same way that you could question the elections in the US, Italy, Britain etc.
Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'.
There was no need for the attack on Serbia, against a civilian population who had already suffered and were longterm allies.
The goal of this, international officials said, was to increase the presence of KFOR, EULEX and Kosovo police in order to secure peace and security for all citizens. remember kosovo police come from heart of KLA . KLA is moving on whole repoblic of kosovo i'so welcome this good news its time for those criminals to go in kosovo jail
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
(nikshala, 6 October 2010 13:06)
--
What you are comparing is organised crime vs. covert crime. As far as I'm concerned both crimes are being committed with the blessing of NATO.
"So, licensed Serb owned telecomms equipment gets destroyed and nobody worries about it because after all its only Serb customers who have their phones cut off as a result. However, as soon as a K Alb owned piece of telecomms equipment gets damaged suddenly all the military in the area is mobilised and there are rumours (laughable ones at that) that the Russian special forces are responsible in an attempt to destabilise the region? Are these comments for real or is it some kind of joke?
(UK, 6 October 2010 11:22) "
UK,
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
No, actually, it was EULEX and the UN that organised this mission to arrest a few 'big fish' WITH the go-ahead from Belgrade. That hardly tallies with your version, does it?
(kate, 6 October 2010 11:21)
Kate,
You as 'non'-Serb appear to have an answer to every Serb concern. It is amazing...:)
You forget that no decision is taken without full consent by mr Thaci and his government.
You also 'forget' that EULEX recognizes Kosovo and as such work coordination is always top priority where the former cannot displease the latter as the latter invited the former...
Let me remind you that this action is to clear the North of Kosovo from the thugs and criminals that are a threat to Serbs themselves in the North first but also to the rest nationalities in Kosovo.
Time to get rid of the and organize elections there...
"Like him or hate him, Milosevic was elected. You can question how it was done, in the same way that you could question the elections in the US, Italy, Britain etc.
I say again, disgraceful!
(kate, 6 October 2010 13:50)
Yes, Milosevic was democratically elected due to the popularity of his nationalistic views, hence the reason why serbian people had to pay the price for his actions.
"There was no need for the attack on Serbia, against a civilian population who had already suffered and were longterm allies." (kate)
You can twist it how you like, but you know as well that the NATO attacks were not targeting civilians intentionally. Yes civilians died, which is a crime, but the purpose of the NATO attacks was to defeat the Milosevic regime.
Now you might not think that there was a need to attack Serbia because you might not have minded if Milosevic continued his policies of extermination which would have led to tens of thousands of dead albanians and more than a million expelled, but luckily the rest of the world didnt agree and they thought there was a need to put a stop to this bloody madness. There was nothing disgraceful about stopping the murder and destruction that was happening at the time. The end to war benefited both sides (even though serbs might not see that way just now).
"Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'. " (kate)
Yes, millions were happy to overthrow him after he lost the war in Kosovo as well and plunged the country into further trouble. Had he succeeded in 'liberating' Kosovo from us albanians and 'won' the war, the popularity gained within the serbian population would have kept him in power for many years to come. We know it, serbs know it.
He lost, the opposition gave him away for money.
Had the 'west' intervened in the overthrow, you would have been screaming injustice, interference, meddling in internal affairs etc.
So many contradictions in your post, I could go on and on.
"You as 'non'-Serb appear to have an answer to every Serb concern. It is amazing" (PRN)
-- And you as an "Albanian" with the silliest and most irrational statements are one of the last people to critique. If you read the article carefully, as Kate apparently has done, this seems to be a coordinated effort by EULEX and KFOR. KPS, if they operate at all, will likely be a supplementary force. You also forgot to note that Belgrade apparently "approved" the move as well. I didn't see anywhere in the article that this is an operation under Pristina's authortity since it has no authority up there. For whatever reason, you feel inclined to believe EULEX is at the whim of Pristina. Ok, that's you're opinion but if that were the case, the north would not remain out of its control.
There will be no "integration" with the rest of Kosovo as you think, and as you've always hoped. If it's a sweep of big fish, I say go ahead, but don't be surprised if Belgrade and Mitrovica remain the legitimate presence.
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 11:08)
Vladimir Anokhin from Russia is acting head of the UNMIK administration in northern Mitrovica. Lilia Galieva, also from Russia is the municipal representative of UNMIK in Leposavic. The third Russian offical is Vladimir Grmovov, municipal representative in Zvecan.
Not any you say Jason, how about we cut the jokes and stick to real facts.
What goes for the article, if its true these Russian soldiers are inolved in terror acts or endager local security in anyway, then we have a big problem. KFOR and EULEX should deal with them immediately, its their responsibility first and for most. If not, let SIU and ROSU from KP's special unit do their job, its what they have been training for the past years.
prn, I doubt that Eulex ask the snake for any OK on anything, it is more like he is told what will happen. As for cleaning the north of thugs, what about your own thugs in Pristina? When, and who will get rid of them? They mostly come from the terrorist KLA, remember, they were labelled that by the US State Dept. They are also come from clan families in KiM, and we all know they are in charge of most criminal activity in KiM. Who will get rid of the Albanian banditos, PRN?
"if Milosevic continued his policies of extermination which would have led to tens of thousands of dead albanians and more than a million expelled, but luckily the rest of the world didnt agree and they thought there was a need to put a stop to this bloody madness" - Nikshala............You still trying to sell that BS? That is old NATO propaganda to justify their expansion and survival. Take a look at the this link http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/78451 NATO's bombing campaign was not for the love of Albanians.
It really is interesting. Their big complaint about the North is that they don't have their police presence there, which as they claim is the "reason" for the "lawlessness". But even without their police presence in the North, they were able to figure out "four persons who are seen as criminal leaders in northern Kosovo", and have already arrested a Serb they say is responsible for recent crimes.
But in the rest of Kosovo, where they have had a police presense for a decade, they can't manage to prosecute and in most cases even arrest Albanians committing crimes against non-Albanians, even when the crimes are repeated again and again in a small village or settlement.
It is just amazing to me, how they can be so good at "catching criminals" in a place where they don't have a presence, but so incapable in a place where they have had a presence for a decade. It just defies logic, unless one additional parameter is added to the logic sequence, that they try their best not to arrest and especially prosecute Albanians for crimes against non-Albanians, especially against Serbs. When that parameter is added, then it all fits in to place and the logic works.
"Congratulations" Albanians, just 10 more percent and your ethnic-removal (I won't say ethnic-cleansing because there is nothing clean about this wickedness) mission will be complete. Kosovo will be the uni-ethnic country you were hoping for, and maybe if you are lucky, will be ready to join greater Albania and you can finally get rid of that pesky EU star and colour branded flag they are making you use.
I've heard a lot of excuses but the one abuout the 20 russian commandos is the best. Just like during the war the albanians are finding new and dumber excuses for NATO intervention to occupie the North.
And there it is, as I said yesterday, they are trying anything they can to take control of the North. It will be much easier for them to convince the world of Kosovo "independence" if this last Serbian holdout is toppled.
If the Serbs they are arresting are actually guilty of the crimes they are being accused of, then I guess they misunderstood the situation in Kosovo. Crimes only go unpunished when committed by Albanians against non-Albanians.
Nikshala Milosevic was not elected 'due to the popularity of his nationalist views'.
The initial success (he was forced to seek coalitions / deals in following elections) that Milosevic had was due to his succesfully deceiving nationalists and former jugoslavs into thinking he was one of them. And to seal the deal he painted himself as a man who knew business having worked in the financial sector / US to appeal to 'democratic' minded voters.
Of course the truth was that Milosevic was nothing more than a self interested, short termist politician who left a mess wherever he interfered.
Lets be truthful in the assesment about Milosevic and not repeat the myth that the man was a nationalist.
Niksala, can you can the Milosevic once and for all. He must have left quite an impression on you, for still keeping him close to your heart. It's 2010, and Kosovo is faced with many challenges, but Milosevic is not one. Move on, Mr/Ms Niksala, stop living in the past.
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 11:08)
Vladimir Anokhin from Russia is acting head of the UNMIK administration in northern Mitrovica. Lilia Galieva, also from Russia is the municipal representative of UNMIK in Leposavic. The third Russian offical is Vladimir Grmovov, municipal representative in Zvecan.
Not any you say Jason, how about we cut the jokes and stick to real facts.
-- The joke here is you buddy. A whopping 3 you came up with??? Furthermore, I daresay they must spend a great deal of time in Pristina at HQ because I have yet to see them around the north.
What goes for the article, if its true these Russian soldiers are inolved in terror acts or endager local security in anyway, then we have a big problem. KFOR and EULEX should deal with them immediately, its their responsibility first and for most. If not, let SIU and ROSU from KP's special unit do their job, its what they have been training for the past years.
(Pejoni, 6 October 2010
17:06)
--As Zoran pointed out already, there is no advantage for Serbs to have Russians come and destabilize the north. That's a silly point and a pathetic attempt to cover up someone else's wrongdoing. Why have you made no mention of the BND bombing of the Eulex office in 2008? There is no reason to not believe they could be up to some other false-flag attacks for some political gain.
As for ROSU, if there were Russians there I suspect it would not turn out well for KP or ROSU units... they are not combat troops.
The Serbs face a choice: they can use N. Mitrovica as a bridgebuilder between the two communities or they can turn into another Gaza. Take your pick.
(Zoti, 7 October 2010 16:26)
Big difference between northern Kosovo and Gaza... northern Kosovo is connected to the rest of Serbia, with 98% Serbian population in the north, you will have a hard time treating Serbs as the Israelis do the Palestinians.
This was posted by someone else but I'll repost here as I believe it to be very appropriate. Check http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21317
"The joke here is you buddy. A whopping 3 you came up with??? Furthermore, I daresay they must spend a great deal of time in Pristina at HQ because I have yet to see them around the north.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 18:08)
No need to get frustrated, I anwsered what you first stated. If they are mostly hanging in Prishtina as you say they are, how come their task and located is in northern Kosovo's municipality? It doesnt make sense and beside its where UNMIK still have some "power" as to say. Now, dont you think its kind of funny you as an EULEX employee dont know who's in charge of what in northen Kosovo? Out of curiosity, what exactly is your task there?
"As Zoran pointed out already, there is no advantage for Serbs to have Russians come and destabilize the north. That's a silly point and a pathetic attempt to cover up someone else's wrongdoing. Why have you made no mention of the BND bombing of the Eulex office in 2008? There is no reason to not believe they could be up to some other false-flag attacks for some political gain.
As for ROSU, if there were Russians there I suspect it would not turn out well for KP or ROSU units... they are not combat troops."
(Jason, 6 October 2010 18:08)
Why wouldnt they, we have seen Russian soldiers as volunteers in the Kosovo war, well those captured or killed by UCK forces. What ROSU can and cant lets just say they wouldnt have a problem against 20 Russian soldiers, yet responding to terrorist activities is SIU's expertise of work.
I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business.
(PRN, 6 October 2010 10:01)
Nope PRN, Kosovo (or Albanian Kosovo) means crime or criminal business, not business as we know it in the US.
(Daniel, 6 October 2010 12:41)
Actually Daniel,
you are only partially correct. Albanian business here in the US is still crime and criminal business.
"And there it is, as I said yesterday, they are trying anything they can to take control of the North. It will be much easier for them to convince the world of Kosovo "independence" if this last Serbian holdout is toppled." (Ark I)
-- I wouldn't get so fatalistic. This is a criminal sweep, not a political imposition. One man has already been arrested by EULEX police because of a previous international arrest warrant. This also appears to be part of EULEX's ongoing, albeit stalled, campaign from this summer in combating corruption that is endemic throughout all of Kosovo. It already netted some key figures in the Pristina government. I sincerely doubt these activities up north with bring Pristina any closer to "integrating" it. EULEX wants stability, not another uprising.
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
Two totally different things.
(nikshala, 6 October 2010 13:06)
The point I was making was that it appears ok to remove (irrespective of the means by which they are removed) perfectly legal Serb owned equipment in order to render the Serbs who use it, withount basic telephone systems but when K Alb equipment is removed (by whatever means) it suddenly requires the mobilisation of armed forces and it prompts speculation of Russian involvement in an attemt to bring about destabilisation. I was attempting to highlight the starkly different reactions to the two events. Please dont try to imply that I somehow diminished the impact of a child being injured any more than I would have attempted to diminish the impact to the unfortunate individual who was reported to have not been able to reach hospital to receive treatment as a result of the Serb network being damaged. So, to conclude, no I didnt miss the point at all thank you.
It looks like the serbian government gave up completely on Kosovo and now the north is being cleared from any kind of parallel institutions or any kind of organized crime.
I havent seen Jeremic lately that much travelling, he also gave up on his empty rhetoric too.
Strange article... The main crime seems to be the destruction of a mobile phone station - what seems to me a rather politicial act and not primarily criminal. It seems to me also rather dubious that those four people will just wait until they are arrested.
Their big complaint about the North is that they don't have their police presence there
But north mitrovica is the most observed place and every mvt is registred overthere,even if the info up to now was not transmitted to kps!The tolerance that kfor and eulex had for these mvts and activities is just a political matter...Now that talks are important,they need to give a point to albanians....And next time they will give a point to serbs.
But be sure that they know-and we know- every mvt there,thanks to the multiple camera,dromes,and satellites there!
"Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'. " (kate)
Had the 'west' intervened in the overthrow, you would have been screaming injustice, interference, meddling in internal affairs etc.(nikshala, 6 October 2010 16:11)
Why "had"? Why "no support from the west"? Some Serbian poster here like to live in the illusion that the whole overthrow was not based on the Serbian people and their will no to accept manipulated elections, but was all initialized by OTPOR, which has been, of course, financed by Soros, THE WEST and other sources of the evil in the world ;-)
So, to conclude, no I didnt miss the point at all thank you.
(UK, 7 October 2010)
UK you seem to be missing the larger point here: Kosova is independent and any mobile operator operating unlicensed by Prishtina will not be tolerated. Those operating under a license will be granted the full protection of the law. You may not like it but this the new reality in Kosova. Feel free to bury your head in the sand if you so wish.
The Serbs face a choice: they can use N. Mitrovica as a bridgebuilder between the two communities or they can turn into another Gaza. Take your pick.
Big difference between northern Kosovo and Gaza... northern Kosovo is connected to the rest of Serbia, with 98% Serbian population in the north, you will have a hard time treating Serbs as the Israelis do the Palestinians.
(Jason, 7 October 2010)
Who said anything about treating Serbs like the Palestinians? I meant a lawless economically depressed region.
The goal of this, international officials said, was to increase the presence of KFOR, EULEX and Kosovo police in order to secure peace and security for all citizens. remember kosovo police come from heart of KLA . KLA is moving on whole repoblic of kosovo i'so welcome this good news its time for those criminals to go in kosovo jail
So, licensed Serb owned telecomms equipment gets destroyed and nobody worries about it because after all its only Serb customers who have their phones cut off as a result. However, as soon as a K Alb owned piece of telecomms equipment gets damaged suddenly all the military in the area is mobilised and there are rumours (laughable ones at that) that the Russian special forces are responsible in an attempt to destabilise the region? Are these comments for real or is it some kind of joke?
PRN: "I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business."
No, actually, it was EULEX and the UN that organised this mission to arrest a few 'big fish' WITH the go-ahead from Belgrade. That hardly tallies with your version, does it?
I see it as a joint effort to supposedly clear the criminal element before plans go ahead towards partition (did you see Albright's nauseous Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal this morning?).
Realisation has dawned that any longterm solution needs Serbia onboard, and suddenly things are starting to shift.
It is disgraceful how the 'international community' has attacked, sanctioned, demonised and poisoned Serbia, and now they will all start crawling up to Belgrade like flies round the proverbial.
Hope that Belgrade milks it for all they can - promised reparations would be a good start.
Nikshala: "However, if you agree with what Milosevic was doing and you view everything that was happening at the time as 'western propaganda', then I can see how you might see that as 'disgraceful'!"
I don't agree with what Milosevic was doing to his own people, regardless of ethnicity.
But I also still find the attacks on, and demonisation of, Serbia absolutely disgraceful.
The two are separate issues.
Like him or hate him, Milosevic was elected. You can question how it was done, in the same way that you could question the elections in the US, Italy, Britain etc.
Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'.
There was no need for the attack on Serbia, against a civilian population who had already suffered and were longterm allies.
No, actually, it was EULEX and the UN that organised this mission to arrest a few 'big fish' WITH the go-ahead from Belgrade. That hardly tallies with your version, does it?
(kate, 6 October 2010 11:21)
Kate,
You as 'non'-Serb appear to have an answer to every Serb concern. It is amazing...:)
You forget that no decision is taken without full consent by mr Thaci and his government.
You also 'forget' that EULEX recognizes Kosovo and as such work coordination is always top priority where the former cannot displease the latter as the latter invited the former...
Let me remind you that this action is to clear the North of Kosovo from the thugs and criminals that are a threat to Serbs themselves in the North first but also to the rest nationalities in Kosovo.
Time to get rid of the and organize elections there...
I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business.
(PRN, 6 October 2010 10:01)
Nope PRN, Kosovo (or Albanian Kosovo) means crime or criminal business, not business as we know it in the US.
"So, licensed Serb owned telecomms equipment gets destroyed and nobody worries about it because after all its only Serb customers who have their phones cut off as a result. However, as soon as a K Alb owned piece of telecomms equipment gets damaged suddenly all the military in the area is mobilised and there are rumours (laughable ones at that) that the Russian special forces are responsible in an attempt to destabilise the region? Are these comments for real or is it some kind of joke?
(UK, 6 October 2010 11:22) "
UK,
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
(nikshala, 6 October 2010 13:06)
--
What you are comparing is organised crime vs. covert crime. As far as I'm concerned both crimes are being committed with the blessing of NATO.
those are likely "20 elite members of the Russian military who crossed into Kosovo in order to destabilize the situation in that area"
--
Haha, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. A stable north does not benefit NATOs plans of controlling all of Kosovo. It's not like Serbia has tanks waiting at the administrative border ready to take back control. So these acts certainly don't benefit us.
OK, perhaps there are some Russian intelligence there and I suppose the way to get rid of them is to throw grenades around (the Germans?) and to blame the Russians. The west is certainly up to its old tricks again and it looks like Belgrade is playing along. What a shame.
OK, perhaps there are some Russian intelligence there and I suppose the way to get rid of them is to throw grenades around (the Germans?) and to blame the Russians. .
(Zoran, 6 October 2010, 10:33)
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
"It is disgraceful how the 'international community' has attacked, sanctioned, demonised and poisoned Serbia, and now they will all start crawling up to Belgrade like flies round the proverbial.
(kate, 6 October 2010 11:21)
These attacks, sanction and demonisation of Serbia as you call it, only happened during the Milosevic regime. This stopped almost completely after the fall of Milosevic and since then Serbia has been given many 'carrots' by the international community.
However, if you agree with what Milosevic was doing and you view everything that was happening at the time as 'western propaganda', then I can see how you might see that as 'disgraceful'!
"if Milosevic continued his policies of extermination which would have led to tens of thousands of dead albanians and more than a million expelled, but luckily the rest of the world didnt agree and they thought there was a need to put a stop to this bloody madness" - Nikshala............You still trying to sell that BS? That is old NATO propaganda to justify their expansion and survival. Take a look at the this link http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/78451 NATO's bombing campaign was not for the love of Albanians.
Niksala, can you can the Milosevic once and for all. He must have left quite an impression on you, for still keeping him close to your heart. It's 2010, and Kosovo is faced with many challenges, but Milosevic is not one. Move on, Mr/Ms Niksala, stop living in the past.
Serbs, it is time to take the situation in ur hands, I tell. Just show u r not letting this clan based and criminal "democracy" coming from the S of IBAR to rule u and retain at least this part of Serbia, so that Europeans can come to N-Mitro and enjoy some slivo.
prn, I doubt that Eulex ask the snake for any OK on anything, it is more like he is told what will happen. As for cleaning the north of thugs, what about your own thugs in Pristina? When, and who will get rid of them? They mostly come from the terrorist KLA, remember, they were labelled that by the US State Dept. They are also come from clan families in KiM, and we all know they are in charge of most criminal activity in KiM. Who will get rid of the Albanian banditos, PRN?
"The joke here is you buddy. A whopping 3 you came up with??? Furthermore, I daresay they must spend a great deal of time in Pristina at HQ because I have yet to see them around the north.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 18:08)
No need to get frustrated, I anwsered what you first stated. If they are mostly hanging in Prishtina as you say they are, how come their task and located is in northern Kosovo's municipality? It doesnt make sense and beside its where UNMIK still have some "power" as to say. Now, dont you think its kind of funny you as an EULEX employee dont know who's in charge of what in northen Kosovo? Out of curiosity, what exactly is your task there?
"As Zoran pointed out already, there is no advantage for Serbs to have Russians come and destabilize the north. That's a silly point and a pathetic attempt to cover up someone else's wrongdoing. Why have you made no mention of the BND bombing of the Eulex office in 2008? There is no reason to not believe they could be up to some other false-flag attacks for some political gain.
As for ROSU, if there were Russians there I suspect it would not turn out well for KP or ROSU units... they are not combat troops."
(Jason, 6 October 2010 18:08)
Why wouldnt they, we have seen Russian soldiers as volunteers in the Kosovo war, well those captured or killed by UCK forces. What ROSU can and cant lets just say they wouldnt have a problem against 20 Russian soldiers, yet responding to terrorist activities is SIU's expertise of work.
"You as 'non'-Serb appear to have an answer to every Serb concern. It is amazing" (PRN)
-- And you as an "Albanian" with the silliest and most irrational statements are one of the last people to critique. If you read the article carefully, as Kate apparently has done, this seems to be a coordinated effort by EULEX and KFOR. KPS, if they operate at all, will likely be a supplementary force. You also forgot to note that Belgrade apparently "approved" the move as well. I didn't see anywhere in the article that this is an operation under Pristina's authortity since it has no authority up there. For whatever reason, you feel inclined to believe EULEX is at the whim of Pristina. Ok, that's you're opinion but if that were the case, the north would not remain out of its control.
There will be no "integration" with the rest of Kosovo as you think, and as you've always hoped. If it's a sweep of big fish, I say go ahead, but don't be surprised if Belgrade and Mitrovica remain the legitimate presence.
It really is interesting. Their big complaint about the North is that they don't have their police presence there, which as they claim is the "reason" for the "lawlessness". But even without their police presence in the North, they were able to figure out "four persons who are seen as criminal leaders in northern Kosovo", and have already arrested a Serb they say is responsible for recent crimes.
But in the rest of Kosovo, where they have had a police presense for a decade, they can't manage to prosecute and in most cases even arrest Albanians committing crimes against non-Albanians, even when the crimes are repeated again and again in a small village or settlement.
It is just amazing to me, how they can be so good at "catching criminals" in a place where they don't have a presence, but so incapable in a place where they have had a presence for a decade. It just defies logic, unless one additional parameter is added to the logic sequence, that they try their best not to arrest and especially prosecute Albanians for crimes against non-Albanians, especially against Serbs. When that parameter is added, then it all fits in to place and the logic works.
"Congratulations" Albanians, just 10 more percent and your ethnic-removal (I won't say ethnic-cleansing because there is nothing clean about this wickedness) mission will be complete. Kosovo will be the uni-ethnic country you were hoping for, and maybe if you are lucky, will be ready to join greater Albania and you can finally get rid of that pesky EU star and colour branded flag they are making you use.
"Like him or hate him, Milosevic was elected. You can question how it was done, in the same way that you could question the elections in the US, Italy, Britain etc.
I say again, disgraceful!
(kate, 6 October 2010 13:50)
Yes, Milosevic was democratically elected due to the popularity of his nationalistic views, hence the reason why serbian people had to pay the price for his actions.
"There was no need for the attack on Serbia, against a civilian population who had already suffered and were longterm allies." (kate)
You can twist it how you like, but you know as well that the NATO attacks were not targeting civilians intentionally. Yes civilians died, which is a crime, but the purpose of the NATO attacks was to defeat the Milosevic regime.
Now you might not think that there was a need to attack Serbia because you might not have minded if Milosevic continued his policies of extermination which would have led to tens of thousands of dead albanians and more than a million expelled, but luckily the rest of the world didnt agree and they thought there was a need to put a stop to this bloody madness. There was nothing disgraceful about stopping the murder and destruction that was happening at the time. The end to war benefited both sides (even though serbs might not see that way just now).
"Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'. " (kate)
Yes, millions were happy to overthrow him after he lost the war in Kosovo as well and plunged the country into further trouble. Had he succeeded in 'liberating' Kosovo from us albanians and 'won' the war, the popularity gained within the serbian population would have kept him in power for many years to come. We know it, serbs know it.
He lost, the opposition gave him away for money.
Had the 'west' intervened in the overthrow, you would have been screaming injustice, interference, meddling in internal affairs etc.
So many contradictions in your post, I could go on and on.
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 11:08)
Vladimir Anokhin from Russia is acting head of the UNMIK administration in northern Mitrovica. Lilia Galieva, also from Russia is the municipal representative of UNMIK in Leposavic. The third Russian offical is Vladimir Grmovov, municipal representative in Zvecan.
Not any you say Jason, how about we cut the jokes and stick to real facts.
What goes for the article, if its true these Russian soldiers are inolved in terror acts or endager local security in anyway, then we have a big problem. KFOR and EULEX should deal with them immediately, its their responsibility first and for most. If not, let SIU and ROSU from KP's special unit do their job, its what they have been training for the past years.
And there it is, as I said yesterday, they are trying anything they can to take control of the North. It will be much easier for them to convince the world of Kosovo "independence" if this last Serbian holdout is toppled.
If the Serbs they are arresting are actually guilty of the crimes they are being accused of, then I guess they misunderstood the situation in Kosovo. Crimes only go unpunished when committed by Albanians against non-Albanians.
Nikshala Milosevic was not elected 'due to the popularity of his nationalist views'.
The initial success (he was forced to seek coalitions / deals in following elections) that Milosevic had was due to his succesfully deceiving nationalists and former jugoslavs into thinking he was one of them. And to seal the deal he painted himself as a man who knew business having worked in the financial sector / US to appeal to 'democratic' minded voters.
Of course the truth was that Milosevic was nothing more than a self interested, short termist politician who left a mess wherever he interfered.
Lets be truthful in the assesment about Milosevic and not repeat the myth that the man was a nationalist.
I was thinking the exact same thing. BND anyone? As for Russians, I cannot say I have seen any since UNMIK.
(Jason, 6 October 2010 11:08)
Vladimir Anokhin from Russia is acting head of the UNMIK administration in northern Mitrovica. Lilia Galieva, also from Russia is the municipal representative of UNMIK in Leposavic. The third Russian offical is Vladimir Grmovov, municipal representative in Zvecan.
Not any you say Jason, how about we cut the jokes and stick to real facts.
-- The joke here is you buddy. A whopping 3 you came up with??? Furthermore, I daresay they must spend a great deal of time in Pristina at HQ because I have yet to see them around the north.
What goes for the article, if its true these Russian soldiers are inolved in terror acts or endager local security in anyway, then we have a big problem. KFOR and EULEX should deal with them immediately, its their responsibility first and for most. If not, let SIU and ROSU from KP's special unit do their job, its what they have been training for the past years.
(Pejoni, 6 October 2010
17:06)
--As Zoran pointed out already, there is no advantage for Serbs to have Russians come and destabilize the north. That's a silly point and a pathetic attempt to cover up someone else's wrongdoing. Why have you made no mention of the BND bombing of the Eulex office in 2008? There is no reason to not believe they could be up to some other false-flag attacks for some political gain.
As for ROSU, if there were Russians there I suspect it would not turn out well for KP or ROSU units... they are not combat troops.
Their big complaint about the North is that they don't have their police presence there
But north mitrovica is the most observed place and every mvt is registred overthere,even if the info up to now was not transmitted to kps!The tolerance that kfor and eulex had for these mvts and activities is just a political matter...Now that talks are important,they need to give a point to albanians....And next time they will give a point to serbs.
But be sure that they know-and we know- every mvt there,thanks to the multiple camera,dromes,and satellites there!
I've heard a lot of excuses but the one abuout the 20 russian commandos is the best. Just like during the war the albanians are finding new and dumber excuses for NATO intervention to occupie the North.
"And there it is, as I said yesterday, they are trying anything they can to take control of the North. It will be much easier for them to convince the world of Kosovo "independence" if this last Serbian holdout is toppled." (Ark I)
-- I wouldn't get so fatalistic. This is a criminal sweep, not a political imposition. One man has already been arrested by EULEX police because of a previous international arrest warrant. This also appears to be part of EULEX's ongoing, albeit stalled, campaign from this summer in combating corruption that is endemic throughout all of Kosovo. It already netted some key figures in the Pristina government. I sincerely doubt these activities up north with bring Pristina any closer to "integrating" it. EULEX wants stability, not another uprising.
This was posted by someone else but I'll repost here as I believe it to be very appropriate. Check http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21317
It looks like the serbian government gave up completely on Kosovo and now the north is being cleared from any kind of parallel institutions or any kind of organized crime.
I havent seen Jeremic lately that much travelling, he also gave up on his empty rhetoric too.
Big difference between northern Kosovo and Gaza... northern Kosovo is connected to the rest of Serbia, with 98% Serbian population in the north, you will have a hard time treating Serbs as the Israelis do the Palestinians.
(Jason, 7 October 2010)
Who said anything about treating Serbs like the Palestinians? I meant a lawless economically depressed region.
So, to conclude, no I didnt miss the point at all thank you.
(UK, 7 October 2010)
UK you seem to be missing the larger point here: Kosova is independent and any mobile operator operating unlicensed by Prishtina will not be tolerated. Those operating under a license will be granted the full protection of the law. You may not like it but this the new reality in Kosova. Feel free to bury your head in the sand if you so wish.
The Serbs face a choice: they can use N. Mitrovica as a bridgebuilder between the two communities or they can turn into another Gaza. Take your pick.
"Millions of his own people were happy to overthrow him, but received no support from the 'West'. " (kate)
Had the 'west' intervened in the overthrow, you would have been screaming injustice, interference, meddling in internal affairs etc.(nikshala, 6 October 2010 16:11)
Why "had"? Why "no support from the west"? Some Serbian poster here like to live in the illusion that the whole overthrow was not based on the Serbian people and their will no to accept manipulated elections, but was all initialized by OTPOR, which has been, of course, financed by Soros, THE WEST and other sources of the evil in the world ;-)
Strange article... The main crime seems to be the destruction of a mobile phone station - what seems to me a rather politicial act and not primarily criminal. It seems to me also rather dubious that those four people will just wait until they are arrested.
You are missing a key point here -the serbian telecom equipment was removed by professional companies... whether you agree with that action or not is a different story.
The IPKO antenna was damaged by a granade which also injured a 3 year old girl.
Two totally different things.
(nikshala, 6 October 2010 13:06)
The point I was making was that it appears ok to remove (irrespective of the means by which they are removed) perfectly legal Serb owned equipment in order to render the Serbs who use it, withount basic telephone systems but when K Alb equipment is removed (by whatever means) it suddenly requires the mobilisation of armed forces and it prompts speculation of Russian involvement in an attemt to bring about destabilisation. I was attempting to highlight the starkly different reactions to the two events. Please dont try to imply that I somehow diminished the impact of a child being injured any more than I would have attempted to diminish the impact to the unfortunate individual who was reported to have not been able to reach hospital to receive treatment as a result of the Serb network being damaged. So, to conclude, no I didnt miss the point at all thank you.
I guess this time the message is heeded....Kosovo means business.
(PRN, 6 October 2010 10:01)
Nope PRN, Kosovo (or Albanian Kosovo) means crime or criminal business, not business as we know it in the US.
(Daniel, 6 October 2010 12:41)
Actually Daniel,
you are only partially correct. Albanian business here in the US is still crime and criminal business.
The Serbs face a choice: they can use N. Mitrovica as a bridgebuilder between the two communities or they can turn into another Gaza. Take your pick.
(Zoti, 7 October 2010 16:26)
Big difference between northern Kosovo and Gaza... northern Kosovo is connected to the rest of Serbia, with 98% Serbian population in the north, you will have a hard time treating Serbs as the Israelis do the Palestinians.
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