The Albanian language media in Priština today write about <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=10&dd=03&nav_id=70040" class="text-link" target= "_blank">Sunday's Kosovo enthronement</a> of Serbian Orthodox Patriarch Irinej.
albanians are an islamic people !! do expect anything different when an orthodox christian speaks ?? he is about as welcome in kosovo as a rabbi is welcome in gaza !
"Albanian language media" is nothing more then Albanian manifesto.New Serbian Patriarch Irinej in HIS message calls on World leaders to bring justice and peace to KosMet.This is not a political message its a plea for protection.Serbian Orthodox Church and its Monasteries are under constant threat of total destruction or conversion to "Kosovo heritage institution Albanos/Illyrian cultural center"by Albanian terrorists.Its so serious and comical at the same time.1.8 millions Kosovo Albanians are educationally and culturally
last one in Europe.These people lacks maturity to be anything more then servants
to affluent European elite.
I just wanted to point out that I totally concure with Peggy and Kate and that any of you girls wants to have a drink at some point, I will be buying!
As for Albanians and their media, I wont be wasting my breath anymore. Your well proven shovinistic and rasict stance toward anything Serb or for that matter non-Albanian is a legendary.
As Warhol once said we all have our 15min of fame, so enjoy it while it lasts...
Why when Albanians cheered for a Basketball game was it seen as provocation of Serbs, But when someone uses inflammatory words and he is a Serb is freedom of Speach.
I think u work in North Kosovo and if a Albanian gathering and they used such words what will happen?
Ok fine Freedom of speech is great I just hope its for all and including K-albanians.
(Bilbao, 4 October 2010 21:33)
Bilbao I agree with you. While it was provacative for Albanians to cross the bridge cheering for Turkey it falls under free speech and in no way, shape, or form deserved rock throwing from the Serbian side. In the case in Pec, Albanians have the right to protest with flags, signs, etc. This too is free speech... but the stone throwing crossed the line as it did with the basketball incident.
Free speech should be protected all the way around, as you point out, and exercising it should not be met with violence by anyone.
I wonder what would be Serbian reaction if 50 busses of Albanians would travel to Belgrade and hold nationalistic parade.
(Tirana, 4 October 2010 22:22)
LOL!We held holy event in Pec not nationalistyc parade!And btw you can even compare those two because Pec is in Serbia and Beograd is not in Albania
Based on your own statement, it shows all of us that you have nevere, ever been in Kosova/o.
You should quit once and for all talking about Kosova/o.
(Kosova-USA, 5 October 2010 08:22)
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If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Stoning is something done by the Taliban, so don't get mad when you are compared to them. In my book, from what I've been reading for years now you are not different. Truth hurts.
(Peggy, 5 October 2010 00:05)
Based on your own statement, it shows all of us that you have nevere, ever been in Kosova/o.
You should quit once and for all talking about Kosova/o.
I give thanks to God that Irinej isn't afraid to speak up for his people. Some may prefer he bows to them and stays quiet, but I and my people prefer strength over weakness. Do your work Irinej, never bow or fear those that are against you.
God is I Light and Salvation, who shall I fear. God is the Strength of I Life, of whom shall I be afraid.
It is a bit perplexing to see how Tadic acts as a man of God and the Patriarch as a politician of the 90's. This Serbian trait of inversion of roles, some would say "extreme sarcasm", always surprises me.
It should have been "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass [present tense] against us." (I knew the rhythm wasn't right - should have checked.}
Oh you dont miss the oppertunity to bash the Albanian population and stone throwing kids for talibans. Tell me, you ever tried driving with KS plates north of Ibar bridge?
(Pejoni, 4 October 2010 21:29)
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Ever tried driving with BG plates in the rest of Kosovo?
How about being burried anywhere in Kosovo except for the North? You don't even let the dead rest in peace let alone the living.
You started the whole mess and you started the killings in kosovo and now you complain when some Serbs can't tolerate you. Angels could not tolerate such behaviour.
Don't be surprised. You asked for this mess and you got it. The only sad thing is that innocent lives are lost and that's innocenet lives from all sides.
Stoning is something done by the Taliban, so don't get mad when you are compared to them. In my book, from what I've been reading for years now you are not different. Truth hurts.
I followed the inauguration via tv and I think he did it just good.
instead of understanding the peaceful message, the k-albanian media ( I won´t say free press, since they only write what they have to write in order to not get themselves a bullet ) has nothing to contribute than the usual hate-inflicted propaganda that leads to nothing else than misunderstandings.
my dear k-albanian friends, you should be aware of the fact that your media is manipulating you!
and please, do not answer with the usual accusations like the serb media is nationalistic or manipulative as well.
Relatively peaceful is relativ. At least nobody has been killed. And good that the perpetrators have been arrested. I hope they got some prison camp for attempted murder, because that's what it is to throw stones at buses. And if they have been "young individual", they must be very upset about what happned 12 years ago (when they have been little 3 years old kids or so)
(Top, 4 October 2010 18:25)
It is funny how you choose what is insignificant. An unbiased news report would have probably said something to the fact of "few minor incidents" but of course here we have something kin to the apocalypse.
As far as dismissing the youth as being too young to remember.
Many may not remember the violence of the 90's but they remember trying to survive its aftermath without fathers or mothers or having to live in tents because their home was destroyed.
They may not be directly affected by WW2 but that is vastly different from what happened 10-12 years ago, wounds do not heal that quickly.
"Are you telling me that no church leaders in the west speaks against injustices done by their government? I know for a fact that they do.
(Ark I, 4 October 2010 20:57)"
Of course they do - especially about what is done by their own government. And if the new patriarch had wanted to talk about the injustices perpetrated by his own government, I'm sure no one would have complained. An appropriate text for his sermon might have been "Forgive us our trespasses [=sins], as we forgive those who have trespassed against us." As it was, he complained of those who had "trespassed against" Serbs, with no mention of any Serbian trespasses. At least not in anything I've seen quoted.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52.
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Religious status for Druids.
Serbs are returning, to the age of paganism.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
Why when Albanians cheered for a Basketball game was it seen as provocation of Serbs, But when someone uses inflammatory words and he is a Serb is freedom of Speach.
I think u work in North Kosovo and if a Albanian gathering and they used such words what will happen?
Ok fine Freedom of speech is great I just hope its for all and including K-albanians.
"recent history of Pecs (where the Albanian inhabitants were expelled on one of their own religious holidays, then returned to find 80% of their homes burned to the ground) I think the response was a great deal less than might have been expected. Blame whatever happened in Kosovo on Milosevic alone if you want to, but don't expect the Albanians to forget it.
(Amer, 4 October 2010 19:05)
The Seat of the Serbian Patrichiate is in Pec just like the Seat of the Orthodox World is in Istanbul, Turkey. The Turks looks like angels as far as religious intolerance compared to the Albanian extremists.
Just for your information, according to the 1991 census, 7815 registered Serbian lived in Pec, that number is now 500.
That is the religious intolerance we are talking about.
What happened in Kosovo is not to be blamed by the KLA such as Thaci.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
Oh you dont miss the oppertunity to bash the Albanian population and stone throwing kids for talibans. Tell me, you ever tried driving with KS plates north of Ibar bridge?
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
The Taliban comparison is a ridiculous remark even for you. You know this was an ethnic reaction and not one guided by their religious beliefs. While someone was touting the religious tolerance in Belgrade, I am sure that should several thousand Albanians being bussed into Belgrade to attend any non Orthodox religious function would receive a similar reception. Of course there it would be dismissed as actions of "football hooligans". Or even a few hundred or less transported across the bridge in Mitorvica for a purely peaceful religious celebration.
As far as the freedom of speech comment--part of that is the ability to condemn what others say. Freedom of speech is not tolerating only that which you wish to hear.
"... the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics".
That is the main problem in the Serbian society where the sa-called priests deal with politics.
My solution would have been to treat them like polititians and isolate them. As I was saying to "Papajohn" yesterday that it what I am against. Religion should not put its nose into politics. Kosovo status was mainly a political issue.
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Here, in the west, we all respect the notion of the separation of Church and State.
(iluvkosova, 4 October 2010 18:35)
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Are you telling me that no church leaders in the west speaks against injustices done by their government? I know for a fact that they do. Also, in Kosovo it is only a pseudo-government that stole a part of Serbian land, so there is even more reason for the Church to speak against their actions. Your example in Waco makes no sense, they did much more than just speak against the government.
The decision to hold the enthronement in Pecs was an act of defiance, a claim to the land of Kosovo. (For how many years were enthronements held in Belgrade?) You may praise the bravery of the decision, but pretending this was just a religious ceremony with no political overtones is ridiculous. Considering the recent history of Pecs (where the Albanian inhabitants were expelled on one of their own religious holidays, then returned to find 80% of their homes burned to the ground) I think the response was a great deal less than might have been expected. Blame whatever happened in Kosovo on Milosevic alone if you want to, but don't expect the Albanians to forget it.
"Mike from this comment it is clear you have no clue what was said. Just a knee-jerk reaction from you." (johny)
-- A "knee-jerk" statement is something you just gave - a response of indignance without any explanation. Can you please provide me with the statement that you and others interpret as provocative?
Most countries in the world allow religious people or anybody else to insult their society, it is called freedom of speech. There are a few places in the world that don't allow it, I wonder if you were comparing yourself only to them when you made your statement.
(Ark"
Here, in the west, we all respect the notion of the separation of Church and State. Obviously, you forgot what happened to Waco Davidians. You mess with the govt. sector of society, you first get the hand of the IRS and then you lose your standing as an organized religious entity. Then, you're without income from the poor people who support nincompoops who spew hatred and violence among the poor.
"Actually all the albanian newspapers that I read did actually mention these incidents in detail - out of 70 something buses, 3 were stoned and so far 5 young individuals were arrested.
I am not trying to justify it, but considering what happened in Kosovo just over 11-12 years ago and the animosity that still persists on both sides (no point denying that) I still think that the whole event passed of relatively peaceful. "
(nikshala, 4 October 2010 17:17)
Relatively peaceful is relativ. At least nobody has been killed. And good that the perpetrators have been arrested. I hope they got some prison camp for attempted murder, because that's what it is to throw stones at buses. And if they have been "young individual", they must be very upset about what happned 12 years ago (when they have been little 3 years old kids or so)
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
It wasen't just a free speech Jason. It was he who from start diden't wanted the enthroment to be polically used by no part. It was he and Tadic who indirectly asked the goverment in Prishtina for permission to be at the entrhoment so why not act like Tadic and follow the regulation wich is set for the visit by not speaking.
It was an poorly act by the new patriarch wich used this important? religous happening by speaking against their majority albanian neighbours and against their will to be independent and free.
Proof enough why albanians don't have trust in the ortodhox chuches.
That is good to know. Thanks for the info. And yes, all things considered, I am also happy to hear that the event went off almost entirely without any problems. And of those problems, they are rather benign.
Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society. First this _____ (ill contain myself) forbids the Prime Minister from attending, then he goes on to spew hatred and insults.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 16:22)
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
"If this is considered a "political" message, the Albanians are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something."
(Mike, 4 October 2010 15:46)
-- Mike from this comment it is clear you have no clue what was said. Just a knee-jerk reaction from you.
P.S B92 it is Koha Ditore (Daily Times in English), not Koha Ditire.
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Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 16:22)
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Most countries in the world allow religious people or anybody else to insult their society, it is called freedom of speech. There are a few places in the world that don't allow it, I wonder if you were comparing yourself only to them when you made your statement.
The Daily Sot, English definition, a habitual drunkard. Great name for a newspaper. Just funny to me - anyway, one really has to take these opinions from K Albanian newspapers with a grain of salt. They are extremely biased and censored. Everything they write has an Albanian slant on it. It reminds me of the old communist era newspapers, where everything was pro-government, and the truth was never printed.
"-- I also wonder if Daily Sot chose to write about the stoning of buses carrying Serb and Montenegrin citizens. It would seem that certain Albanians forgot decorum and engaged in racism.
(Mike, 4 October 2010 16:13) "
Actually all the albanian newspapers that I read did actually mention these incidents in detail - out of 70 something buses, 3 were stoned and so far 5 young individuals were arrested.
I am not trying to justify it, but considering what happened in Kosovo just over 11-12 years ago and the animosity that still persists on both sides (no point denying that) I still think that the whole event passed of relatively peaceful.
Then again, its a great opportunity to clutch at straws and use this as an opportunity to jump on the albanian-bashing band wagon. I suppose the same can be said for albanian newspapers focusing on the 'serbian southern province' comment.
You are right, Mike. Why don't these censored Albanian newspapers mention the stoning of Serbian buses? I guess that allowed in Albanian-run KiM. Just the locals showing their love and tolerance. There will never be peace in Kosovo. There is just too much blind hate from the Albanian side. Long live our Holy Father on our sacred land.
The truth hurts albanians. They are thieves of our Holy Land and american government is helping them. Can you imagine one day the american occupiers come and say 'this is not your land anymore, we are stealing it from you and giving it to albanian terrorists'? Because of albanians there is hardly any Serbs in Kosmet, and we have to make peace with them? Give me a break!
"Daily Kosova Sot... writes today that the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics"."
-- I also wonder if Daily Sot chose to write about the stoning of buses carrying Serb and Montenegrin citizens. It would seem that certain Albanians forgot decorum and engaged in racism.
Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society. First this _____ (ill contain myself) forbids the Prime Minister from attending, then he goes on to spew hatred and insults.
"Koha Ditire writes that the patriarch's calls to have faith in God and mankind, tolerance and understanding, "did not help him avoid Serb nationalistic messages about Kosovo".
-- If this is considered a "political" message, the Albanians are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something.
His statement was beyond politics. He was speaking against the thievery of Serbian land, the destruction of churches and asking for the safety of the Serbian people in Kosovo.
You may want to refer to your thievery, murder, violence and destruction as politics, but it it not politics, it is thievery, murder, violence and destruction.
And anybody who says that the church can't speak against thievery, murder, violence and destruction doesn't know what they are talking about.
"..., but on certain issues the church is entitled and right to comment.
(kate, 4 October 2010 12:29)"
Of course the serbian church has the right to comment on certain issues, and orthodox preist also have a right to 'bless' on video paramilitary units before they go off and execute unarmed and tied-up civilians which they have done in the past, but that doesn't really help the reconciliation process does it? Nor does it stop the albanians viewing the serbian church with suspicion and as a political satellite of the serbian regime. If the church was really interested in promoting a message of peace then it could have omitted certain politically motivated sentences. That does not mean accepting independence, which we do not expect, but it could sustian from making comments which could be perceived as provocative.
Or you could say 'stuff you', they can say what they want, which is fine but do not then try and convey that message as peaceful, devine and conciliatory.
It really seems like our ethnic Albanians have a long way go - constantly building upon division while doing so only keeps them isolated.
Here is something to ponder for those that truly want universal peace:
Matthew 22:36-40
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Tadic's presence was more of a slap in the face rather than a kick to the mid-section but after the failure of the UDI this summer & re-integration talks, it's tactically better not to embarass the narco-politicians too much in so little time. Soon it'll be time for Res1244 anyway.
"So-called independence is a myth both as the aim and the result.
(kate, 4 October 2010 12:29)"
If you want to write divine comedy, Dante has already done that, what you are doing is megaphoning things that people dont want to learn from their own priests ;)
I completely agree with Kosovar media as usual the Serbian church mixing in politics just like early nineties, it's still continuing the same path. Politics and faith should not mix no matter what religion that is.
@ rolandi - I agree that politics and religious institutions should be kept as separate as possible, but on certain issues the church is entitled and right to comment.
Leaders of the Serbian Orthodox Church are entitled to speak on behalf of their 'flock' when its very existence is threatened.
"Daily Kosova Sot... writes today that the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics"."
I think that what he said extols the greatest kind of faith and belief and is something of major importance to the Serbian Orthodox Church and the Serbian people.
May his message reach divine and other much less divine ears.
It is always ironic to hear Kosovo Albanians speak about nationalism. The nationalism they celebrate seems always to be based on other lands: Serbia and Albania.
So-called independence is a myth both as the aim and the result.
this is great news.this patriarch or whatever he is will die soon because he is almost 80 years old i have read.the new patriarch that want to come then will be denied entry into kosovo now we have a strong argument to ban such persons from our country because serbs cannot separate religion from politics.
but i can see also progress in some serbian elite seems like tadic understand the rules now not a single word about "kosovo and metohija" in this event and asked for permission in prishtina from thaci.
another good news is that nikolic and other politicans with their gangs from serbia were deported back to serbia and denied entry in kosovo.
The new SPC patriarch sent a plea to the great powers instead of prayers to God for Kosovo. During the inauguration he relayed i egree 100% what kosovo media said the patriarch dont say word about him been as head of serbian church all hi talk about politics remember politic's and realigion dont fit at same box god bless you all i wish him the best and serbian people as well
@ rolandi - I agree that politics and religious institutions should be kept as separate as possible, but on certain issues the church is entitled and right to comment.
Leaders of the Serbian Orthodox Church are entitled to speak on behalf of their 'flock' when its very existence is threatened.
"Daily Kosova Sot... writes today that the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics"."
I think that what he said extols the greatest kind of faith and belief and is something of major importance to the Serbian Orthodox Church and the Serbian people.
May his message reach divine and other much less divine ears.
It is always ironic to hear Kosovo Albanians speak about nationalism. The nationalism they celebrate seems always to be based on other lands: Serbia and Albania.
So-called independence is a myth both as the aim and the result.
His statement was beyond politics. He was speaking against the thievery of Serbian land, the destruction of churches and asking for the safety of the Serbian people in Kosovo.
You may want to refer to your thievery, murder, violence and destruction as politics, but it it not politics, it is thievery, murder, violence and destruction.
And anybody who says that the church can't speak against thievery, murder, violence and destruction doesn't know what they are talking about.
"..., but on certain issues the church is entitled and right to comment.
(kate, 4 October 2010 12:29)"
Of course the serbian church has the right to comment on certain issues, and orthodox preist also have a right to 'bless' on video paramilitary units before they go off and execute unarmed and tied-up civilians which they have done in the past, but that doesn't really help the reconciliation process does it? Nor does it stop the albanians viewing the serbian church with suspicion and as a political satellite of the serbian regime. If the church was really interested in promoting a message of peace then it could have omitted certain politically motivated sentences. That does not mean accepting independence, which we do not expect, but it could sustian from making comments which could be perceived as provocative.
Or you could say 'stuff you', they can say what they want, which is fine but do not then try and convey that message as peaceful, devine and conciliatory.
Tadic's presence was more of a slap in the face rather than a kick to the mid-section but after the failure of the UDI this summer & re-integration talks, it's tactically better not to embarass the narco-politicians too much in so little time. Soon it'll be time for Res1244 anyway.
I completely agree with Kosovar media as usual the Serbian church mixing in politics just like early nineties, it's still continuing the same path. Politics and faith should not mix no matter what religion that is.
"Koha Ditire writes that the patriarch's calls to have faith in God and mankind, tolerance and understanding, "did not help him avoid Serb nationalistic messages about Kosovo".
-- If this is considered a "political" message, the Albanians are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something.
It really seems like our ethnic Albanians have a long way go - constantly building upon division while doing so only keeps them isolated.
Here is something to ponder for those that truly want universal peace:
Matthew 22:36-40
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
this is great news.this patriarch or whatever he is will die soon because he is almost 80 years old i have read.the new patriarch that want to come then will be denied entry into kosovo now we have a strong argument to ban such persons from our country because serbs cannot separate religion from politics.
but i can see also progress in some serbian elite seems like tadic understand the rules now not a single word about "kosovo and metohija" in this event and asked for permission in prishtina from thaci.
another good news is that nikolic and other politicans with their gangs from serbia were deported back to serbia and denied entry in kosovo.
The truth hurts albanians. They are thieves of our Holy Land and american government is helping them. Can you imagine one day the american occupiers come and say 'this is not your land anymore, we are stealing it from you and giving it to albanian terrorists'? Because of albanians there is hardly any Serbs in Kosmet, and we have to make peace with them? Give me a break!
"-- I also wonder if Daily Sot chose to write about the stoning of buses carrying Serb and Montenegrin citizens. It would seem that certain Albanians forgot decorum and engaged in racism.
(Mike, 4 October 2010 16:13) "
Actually all the albanian newspapers that I read did actually mention these incidents in detail - out of 70 something buses, 3 were stoned and so far 5 young individuals were arrested.
I am not trying to justify it, but considering what happened in Kosovo just over 11-12 years ago and the animosity that still persists on both sides (no point denying that) I still think that the whole event passed of relatively peaceful.
Then again, its a great opportunity to clutch at straws and use this as an opportunity to jump on the albanian-bashing band wagon. I suppose the same can be said for albanian newspapers focusing on the 'serbian southern province' comment.
The Daily Sot, English definition, a habitual drunkard. Great name for a newspaper. Just funny to me - anyway, one really has to take these opinions from K Albanian newspapers with a grain of salt. They are extremely biased and censored. Everything they write has an Albanian slant on it. It reminds me of the old communist era newspapers, where everything was pro-government, and the truth was never printed.
"Daily Kosova Sot... writes today that the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics"."
-- I also wonder if Daily Sot chose to write about the stoning of buses carrying Serb and Montenegrin citizens. It would seem that certain Albanians forgot decorum and engaged in racism.
I followed the inauguration via tv and I think he did it just good.
instead of understanding the peaceful message, the k-albanian media ( I won´t say free press, since they only write what they have to write in order to not get themselves a bullet ) has nothing to contribute than the usual hate-inflicted propaganda that leads to nothing else than misunderstandings.
my dear k-albanian friends, you should be aware of the fact that your media is manipulating you!
and please, do not answer with the usual accusations like the serb media is nationalistic or manipulative as well.
I wonder what would be Serbian reaction if 50 busses of Albanians would travel to Belgrade and hold nationalistic parade.
(Tirana, 4 October 2010 22:22)
LOL!We held holy event in Pec not nationalistyc parade!And btw you can even compare those two because Pec is in Serbia and Beograd is not in Albania
"So-called independence is a myth both as the aim and the result.
(kate, 4 October 2010 12:29)"
If you want to write divine comedy, Dante has already done that, what you are doing is megaphoning things that people dont want to learn from their own priests ;)
You are right, Mike. Why don't these censored Albanian newspapers mention the stoning of Serbian buses? I guess that allowed in Albanian-run KiM. Just the locals showing their love and tolerance. There will never be peace in Kosovo. There is just too much blind hate from the Albanian side. Long live our Holy Father on our sacred land.
"Albanian language media" is nothing more then Albanian manifesto.New Serbian Patriarch Irinej in HIS message calls on World leaders to bring justice and peace to KosMet.This is not a political message its a plea for protection.Serbian Orthodox Church and its Monasteries are under constant threat of total destruction or conversion to "Kosovo heritage institution Albanos/Illyrian cultural center"by Albanian terrorists.Its so serious and comical at the same time.1.8 millions Kosovo Albanians are educationally and culturally
last one in Europe.These people lacks maturity to be anything more then servants
to affluent European elite.
The decision to hold the enthronement in Pecs was an act of defiance, a claim to the land of Kosovo. (For how many years were enthronements held in Belgrade?) You may praise the bravery of the decision, but pretending this was just a religious ceremony with no political overtones is ridiculous. Considering the recent history of Pecs (where the Albanian inhabitants were expelled on one of their own religious holidays, then returned to find 80% of their homes burned to the ground) I think the response was a great deal less than might have been expected. Blame whatever happened in Kosovo on Milosevic alone if you want to, but don't expect the Albanians to forget it.
Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society. First this _____ (ill contain myself) forbids the Prime Minister from attending, then he goes on to spew hatred and insults.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 16:22)
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
"Are you telling me that no church leaders in the west speaks against injustices done by their government? I know for a fact that they do.
(Ark I, 4 October 2010 20:57)"
Of course they do - especially about what is done by their own government. And if the new patriarch had wanted to talk about the injustices perpetrated by his own government, I'm sure no one would have complained. An appropriate text for his sermon might have been "Forgive us our trespasses [=sins], as we forgive those who have trespassed against us." As it was, he complained of those who had "trespassed against" Serbs, with no mention of any Serbian trespasses. At least not in anything I've seen quoted.
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Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 16:22)
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Most countries in the world allow religious people or anybody else to insult their society, it is called freedom of speech. There are a few places in the world that don't allow it, I wonder if you were comparing yourself only to them when you made your statement.
Oh you dont miss the oppertunity to bash the Albanian population and stone throwing kids for talibans. Tell me, you ever tried driving with KS plates north of Ibar bridge?
(Pejoni, 4 October 2010 21:29)
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Ever tried driving with BG plates in the rest of Kosovo?
How about being burried anywhere in Kosovo except for the North? You don't even let the dead rest in peace let alone the living.
You started the whole mess and you started the killings in kosovo and now you complain when some Serbs can't tolerate you. Angels could not tolerate such behaviour.
Don't be surprised. You asked for this mess and you got it. The only sad thing is that innocent lives are lost and that's innocenet lives from all sides.
Stoning is something done by the Taliban, so don't get mad when you are compared to them. In my book, from what I've been reading for years now you are not different. Truth hurts.
The new SPC patriarch sent a plea to the great powers instead of prayers to God for Kosovo. During the inauguration he relayed i egree 100% what kosovo media said the patriarch dont say word about him been as head of serbian church all hi talk about politics remember politic's and realigion dont fit at same box god bless you all i wish him the best and serbian people as well
"Mike from this comment it is clear you have no clue what was said. Just a knee-jerk reaction from you." (johny)
-- A "knee-jerk" statement is something you just gave - a response of indignance without any explanation. Can you please provide me with the statement that you and others interpret as provocative?
I just wanted to point out that I totally concure with Peggy and Kate and that any of you girls wants to have a drink at some point, I will be buying!
As for Albanians and their media, I wont be wasting my breath anymore. Your well proven shovinistic and rasict stance toward anything Serb or for that matter non-Albanian is a legendary.
As Warhol once said we all have our 15min of fame, so enjoy it while it lasts...
Why when Albanians cheered for a Basketball game was it seen as provocation of Serbs, But when someone uses inflammatory words and he is a Serb is freedom of Speach.
I think u work in North Kosovo and if a Albanian gathering and they used such words what will happen?
Ok fine Freedom of speech is great I just hope its for all and including K-albanians.
(Bilbao, 4 October 2010 21:33)
Bilbao I agree with you. While it was provacative for Albanians to cross the bridge cheering for Turkey it falls under free speech and in no way, shape, or form deserved rock throwing from the Serbian side. In the case in Pec, Albanians have the right to protest with flags, signs, etc. This too is free speech... but the stone throwing crossed the line as it did with the basketball incident.
Free speech should be protected all the way around, as you point out, and exercising it should not be met with violence by anyone.
"Actually all the albanian newspapers that I read did actually mention these incidents in detail - out of 70 something buses, 3 were stoned and so far 5 young individuals were arrested.
I am not trying to justify it, but considering what happened in Kosovo just over 11-12 years ago and the animosity that still persists on both sides (no point denying that) I still think that the whole event passed of relatively peaceful. "
(nikshala, 4 October 2010 17:17)
Relatively peaceful is relativ. At least nobody has been killed. And good that the perpetrators have been arrested. I hope they got some prison camp for attempted murder, because that's what it is to throw stones at buses. And if they have been "young individual", they must be very upset about what happned 12 years ago (when they have been little 3 years old kids or so)
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
It wasen't just a free speech Jason. It was he who from start diden't wanted the enthroment to be polically used by no part. It was he and Tadic who indirectly asked the goverment in Prishtina for permission to be at the entrhoment so why not act like Tadic and follow the regulation wich is set for the visit by not speaking.
It was an poorly act by the new patriarch wich used this important? religous happening by speaking against their majority albanian neighbours and against their will to be independent and free.
Proof enough why albanians don't have trust in the ortodhox chuches.
"recent history of Pecs (where the Albanian inhabitants were expelled on one of their own religious holidays, then returned to find 80% of their homes burned to the ground) I think the response was a great deal less than might have been expected. Blame whatever happened in Kosovo on Milosevic alone if you want to, but don't expect the Albanians to forget it.
(Amer, 4 October 2010 19:05)
The Seat of the Serbian Patrichiate is in Pec just like the Seat of the Orthodox World is in Istanbul, Turkey. The Turks looks like angels as far as religious intolerance compared to the Albanian extremists.
Just for your information, according to the 1991 census, 7815 registered Serbian lived in Pec, that number is now 500.
That is the religious intolerance we are talking about.
What happened in Kosovo is not to be blamed by the KLA such as Thaci.
I give thanks to God that Irinej isn't afraid to speak up for his people. Some may prefer he bows to them and stays quiet, but I and my people prefer strength over weakness. Do your work Irinej, never bow or fear those that are against you.
God is I Light and Salvation, who shall I fear. God is the Strength of I Life, of whom shall I be afraid.
Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society. First this _____ (ill contain myself) forbids the Prime Minister from attending, then he goes on to spew hatred and insults.
That is good to know. Thanks for the info. And yes, all things considered, I am also happy to hear that the event went off almost entirely without any problems. And of those problems, they are rather benign.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
The Taliban comparison is a ridiculous remark even for you. You know this was an ethnic reaction and not one guided by their religious beliefs. While someone was touting the religious tolerance in Belgrade, I am sure that should several thousand Albanians being bussed into Belgrade to attend any non Orthodox religious function would receive a similar reception. Of course there it would be dismissed as actions of "football hooligans". Or even a few hundred or less transported across the bridge in Mitorvica for a purely peaceful religious celebration.
As far as the freedom of speech comment--part of that is the ability to condemn what others say. Freedom of speech is not tolerating only that which you wish to hear.
"If this is considered a "political" message, the Albanians are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something."
(Mike, 4 October 2010 15:46)
-- Mike from this comment it is clear you have no clue what was said. Just a knee-jerk reaction from you.
P.S B92 it is Koha Ditore (Daily Times in English), not Koha Ditire.
Stoning is something done by the Taliban, so don't get mad when you are compared to them. In my book, from what I've been reading for years now you are not different. Truth hurts.
(Peggy, 5 October 2010 00:05)
Based on your own statement, it shows all of us that you have nevere, ever been in Kosova/o.
You should quit once and for all talking about Kosova/o.
Based on your own statement, it shows all of us that you have nevere, ever been in Kosova/o.
You should quit once and for all talking about Kosova/o.
(Kosova-USA, 5 October 2010 08:22)
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If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Most countries in the world allow religious people or anybody else to insult their society, it is called freedom of speech. There are a few places in the world that don't allow it, I wonder if you were comparing yourself only to them when you made your statement.
(Ark"
Here, in the west, we all respect the notion of the separation of Church and State. Obviously, you forgot what happened to Waco Davidians. You mess with the govt. sector of society, you first get the hand of the IRS and then you lose your standing as an organized religious entity. Then, you're without income from the poor people who support nincompoops who spew hatred and violence among the poor.
"... the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics".
That is the main problem in the Serbian society where the sa-called priests deal with politics.
My solution would have been to treat them like polititians and isolate them. As I was saying to "Papajohn" yesterday that it what I am against. Religion should not put its nose into politics. Kosovo status was mainly a political issue.
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Here, in the west, we all respect the notion of the separation of Church and State.
(iluvkosova, 4 October 2010 18:35)
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Are you telling me that no church leaders in the west speaks against injustices done by their government? I know for a fact that they do. Also, in Kosovo it is only a pseudo-government that stole a part of Serbian land, so there is even more reason for the Church to speak against their actions. Your example in Waco makes no sense, they did much more than just speak against the government.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
Why when Albanians cheered for a Basketball game was it seen as provocation of Serbs, But when someone uses inflammatory words and he is a Serb is freedom of Speach.
I think u work in North Kosovo and if a Albanian gathering and they used such words what will happen?
Ok fine Freedom of speech is great I just hope its for all and including K-albanians.
Relatively peaceful is relativ. At least nobody has been killed. And good that the perpetrators have been arrested. I hope they got some prison camp for attempted murder, because that's what it is to throw stones at buses. And if they have been "young individual", they must be very upset about what happned 12 years ago (when they have been little 3 years old kids or so)
(Top, 4 October 2010 18:25)
It is funny how you choose what is insignificant. An unbiased news report would have probably said something to the fact of "few minor incidents" but of course here we have something kin to the apocalypse.
As far as dismissing the youth as being too young to remember.
Many may not remember the violence of the 90's but they remember trying to survive its aftermath without fathers or mothers or having to live in tents because their home was destroyed.
They may not be directly affected by WW2 but that is vastly different from what happened 10-12 years ago, wounds do not heal that quickly.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52.
--??--
Religious status for Druids.
Serbs are returning, to the age of paganism.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
Oh you dont miss the oppertunity to bash the Albanian population and stone throwing kids for talibans. Tell me, you ever tried driving with KS plates north of Ibar bridge?
It is a bit perplexing to see how Tadic acts as a man of God and the Patriarch as a politician of the 90's. This Serbian trait of inversion of roles, some would say "extreme sarcasm", always surprises me.
albanians are an islamic people !! do expect anything different when an orthodox christian speaks ?? he is about as welcome in kosovo as a rabbi is welcome in gaza !
It should have been "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass [present tense] against us." (I knew the rhythm wasn't right - should have checked.}
this is great news.this patriarch or whatever he is will die soon because he is almost 80 years old i have read.the new patriarch that want to come then will be denied entry into kosovo now we have a strong argument to ban such persons from our country because serbs cannot separate religion from politics.
but i can see also progress in some serbian elite seems like tadic understand the rules now not a single word about "kosovo and metohija" in this event and asked for permission in prishtina from thaci.
another good news is that nikolic and other politicans with their gangs from serbia were deported back to serbia and denied entry in kosovo.
I completely agree with Kosovar media as usual the Serbian church mixing in politics just like early nineties, it's still continuing the same path. Politics and faith should not mix no matter what religion that is.
@ rolandi - I agree that politics and religious institutions should be kept as separate as possible, but on certain issues the church is entitled and right to comment.
Leaders of the Serbian Orthodox Church are entitled to speak on behalf of their 'flock' when its very existence is threatened.
"Daily Kosova Sot... writes today that the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics"."
I think that what he said extols the greatest kind of faith and belief and is something of major importance to the Serbian Orthodox Church and the Serbian people.
May his message reach divine and other much less divine ears.
It is always ironic to hear Kosovo Albanians speak about nationalism. The nationalism they celebrate seems always to be based on other lands: Serbia and Albania.
So-called independence is a myth both as the aim and the result.
The new SPC patriarch sent a plea to the great powers instead of prayers to God for Kosovo. During the inauguration he relayed i egree 100% what kosovo media said the patriarch dont say word about him been as head of serbian church all hi talk about politics remember politic's and realigion dont fit at same box god bless you all i wish him the best and serbian people as well
"So-called independence is a myth both as the aim and the result.
(kate, 4 October 2010 12:29)"
If you want to write divine comedy, Dante has already done that, what you are doing is megaphoning things that people dont want to learn from their own priests ;)
Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society. First this _____ (ill contain myself) forbids the Prime Minister from attending, then he goes on to spew hatred and insults.
"..., but on certain issues the church is entitled and right to comment.
(kate, 4 October 2010 12:29)"
Of course the serbian church has the right to comment on certain issues, and orthodox preist also have a right to 'bless' on video paramilitary units before they go off and execute unarmed and tied-up civilians which they have done in the past, but that doesn't really help the reconciliation process does it? Nor does it stop the albanians viewing the serbian church with suspicion and as a political satellite of the serbian regime. If the church was really interested in promoting a message of peace then it could have omitted certain politically motivated sentences. That does not mean accepting independence, which we do not expect, but it could sustian from making comments which could be perceived as provocative.
Or you could say 'stuff you', they can say what they want, which is fine but do not then try and convey that message as peaceful, devine and conciliatory.
"If this is considered a "political" message, the Albanians are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something."
(Mike, 4 October 2010 15:46)
-- Mike from this comment it is clear you have no clue what was said. Just a knee-jerk reaction from you.
P.S B92 it is Koha Ditore (Daily Times in English), not Koha Ditire.
You are right, Mike. Why don't these censored Albanian newspapers mention the stoning of Serbian buses? I guess that allowed in Albanian-run KiM. Just the locals showing their love and tolerance. There will never be peace in Kosovo. There is just too much blind hate from the Albanian side. Long live our Holy Father on our sacred land.
Tadic's presence was more of a slap in the face rather than a kick to the mid-section but after the failure of the UDI this summer & re-integration talks, it's tactically better not to embarass the narco-politicians too much in so little time. Soon it'll be time for Res1244 anyway.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
It wasen't just a free speech Jason. It was he who from start diden't wanted the enthroment to be polically used by no part. It was he and Tadic who indirectly asked the goverment in Prishtina for permission to be at the entrhoment so why not act like Tadic and follow the regulation wich is set for the visit by not speaking.
It was an poorly act by the new patriarch wich used this important? religous happening by speaking against their majority albanian neighbours and against their will to be independent and free.
Proof enough why albanians don't have trust in the ortodhox chuches.
Oh you dont miss the oppertunity to bash the Albanian population and stone throwing kids for talibans. Tell me, you ever tried driving with KS plates north of Ibar bridge?
(Pejoni, 4 October 2010 21:29)
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Ever tried driving with BG plates in the rest of Kosovo?
How about being burried anywhere in Kosovo except for the North? You don't even let the dead rest in peace let alone the living.
You started the whole mess and you started the killings in kosovo and now you complain when some Serbs can't tolerate you. Angels could not tolerate such behaviour.
Don't be surprised. You asked for this mess and you got it. The only sad thing is that innocent lives are lost and that's innocenet lives from all sides.
Stoning is something done by the Taliban, so don't get mad when you are compared to them. In my book, from what I've been reading for years now you are not different. Truth hurts.
"Koha Ditire writes that the patriarch's calls to have faith in God and mankind, tolerance and understanding, "did not help him avoid Serb nationalistic messages about Kosovo".
-- If this is considered a "political" message, the Albanians are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something.
Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society. First this _____ (ill contain myself) forbids the Prime Minister from attending, then he goes on to spew hatred and insults.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 16:22)
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52.
--??--
Religious status for Druids.
Serbs are returning, to the age of paganism.
Most countries in the world allow religious people or anybody else to insult their society, it is called freedom of speech. There are a few places in the world that don't allow it, I wonder if you were comparing yourself only to them when you made your statement.
(Ark"
Here, in the west, we all respect the notion of the separation of Church and State. Obviously, you forgot what happened to Waco Davidians. You mess with the govt. sector of society, you first get the hand of the IRS and then you lose your standing as an organized religious entity. Then, you're without income from the poor people who support nincompoops who spew hatred and violence among the poor.
Stoning is something done by the Taliban, so don't get mad when you are compared to them. In my book, from what I've been reading for years now you are not different. Truth hurts.
(Peggy, 5 October 2010 00:05)
Based on your own statement, it shows all of us that you have nevere, ever been in Kosova/o.
You should quit once and for all talking about Kosova/o.
It really seems like our ethnic Albanians have a long way go - constantly building upon division while doing so only keeps them isolated.
Here is something to ponder for those that truly want universal peace:
Matthew 22:36-40
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
The Daily Sot, English definition, a habitual drunkard. Great name for a newspaper. Just funny to me - anyway, one really has to take these opinions from K Albanian newspapers with a grain of salt. They are extremely biased and censored. Everything they write has an Albanian slant on it. It reminds me of the old communist era newspapers, where everything was pro-government, and the truth was never printed.
His statement was beyond politics. He was speaking against the thievery of Serbian land, the destruction of churches and asking for the safety of the Serbian people in Kosovo.
You may want to refer to your thievery, murder, violence and destruction as politics, but it it not politics, it is thievery, murder, violence and destruction.
And anybody who says that the church can't speak against thievery, murder, violence and destruction doesn't know what they are talking about.
"Daily Kosova Sot... writes today that the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics"."
-- I also wonder if Daily Sot chose to write about the stoning of buses carrying Serb and Montenegrin citizens. It would seem that certain Albanians forgot decorum and engaged in racism.
The truth hurts albanians. They are thieves of our Holy Land and american government is helping them. Can you imagine one day the american occupiers come and say 'this is not your land anymore, we are stealing it from you and giving it to albanian terrorists'? Because of albanians there is hardly any Serbs in Kosmet, and we have to make peace with them? Give me a break!
I followed the inauguration via tv and I think he did it just good.
instead of understanding the peaceful message, the k-albanian media ( I won´t say free press, since they only write what they have to write in order to not get themselves a bullet ) has nothing to contribute than the usual hate-inflicted propaganda that leads to nothing else than misunderstandings.
my dear k-albanian friends, you should be aware of the fact that your media is manipulating you!
and please, do not answer with the usual accusations like the serb media is nationalistic or manipulative as well.
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Only in Kosovo do we allow such religious actors to insult our society.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 16:22)
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Most countries in the world allow religious people or anybody else to insult their society, it is called freedom of speech. There are a few places in the world that don't allow it, I wonder if you were comparing yourself only to them when you made your statement.
"... the Serb patriarch "forgot faith and engaged in politics".
That is the main problem in the Serbian society where the sa-called priests deal with politics.
My solution would have been to treat them like polititians and isolate them. As I was saying to "Papajohn" yesterday that it what I am against. Religion should not put its nose into politics. Kosovo status was mainly a political issue.
"Actually all the albanian newspapers that I read did actually mention these incidents in detail - out of 70 something buses, 3 were stoned and so far 5 young individuals were arrested.
I am not trying to justify it, but considering what happened in Kosovo just over 11-12 years ago and the animosity that still persists on both sides (no point denying that) I still think that the whole event passed of relatively peaceful. "
(nikshala, 4 October 2010 17:17)
Relatively peaceful is relativ. At least nobody has been killed. And good that the perpetrators have been arrested. I hope they got some prison camp for attempted murder, because that's what it is to throw stones at buses. And if they have been "young individual", they must be very upset about what happned 12 years ago (when they have been little 3 years old kids or so)
The decision to hold the enthronement in Pecs was an act of defiance, a claim to the land of Kosovo. (For how many years were enthronements held in Belgrade?) You may praise the bravery of the decision, but pretending this was just a religious ceremony with no political overtones is ridiculous. Considering the recent history of Pecs (where the Albanian inhabitants were expelled on one of their own religious holidays, then returned to find 80% of their homes burned to the ground) I think the response was a great deal less than might have been expected. Blame whatever happened in Kosovo on Milosevic alone if you want to, but don't expect the Albanians to forget it.
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Here, in the west, we all respect the notion of the separation of Church and State.
(iluvkosova, 4 October 2010 18:35)
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Are you telling me that no church leaders in the west speaks against injustices done by their government? I know for a fact that they do. Also, in Kosovo it is only a pseudo-government that stole a part of Serbian land, so there is even more reason for the Church to speak against their actions. Your example in Waco makes no sense, they did much more than just speak against the government.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
The Taliban comparison is a ridiculous remark even for you. You know this was an ethnic reaction and not one guided by their religious beliefs. While someone was touting the religious tolerance in Belgrade, I am sure that should several thousand Albanians being bussed into Belgrade to attend any non Orthodox religious function would receive a similar reception. Of course there it would be dismissed as actions of "football hooligans". Or even a few hundred or less transported across the bridge in Mitorvica for a purely peaceful religious celebration.
As far as the freedom of speech comment--part of that is the ability to condemn what others say. Freedom of speech is not tolerating only that which you wish to hear.
"-- I also wonder if Daily Sot chose to write about the stoning of buses carrying Serb and Montenegrin citizens. It would seem that certain Albanians forgot decorum and engaged in racism.
(Mike, 4 October 2010 16:13) "
Actually all the albanian newspapers that I read did actually mention these incidents in detail - out of 70 something buses, 3 were stoned and so far 5 young individuals were arrested.
I am not trying to justify it, but considering what happened in Kosovo just over 11-12 years ago and the animosity that still persists on both sides (no point denying that) I still think that the whole event passed of relatively peaceful.
Then again, its a great opportunity to clutch at straws and use this as an opportunity to jump on the albanian-bashing band wagon. I suppose the same can be said for albanian newspapers focusing on the 'serbian southern province' comment.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
Oh you dont miss the oppertunity to bash the Albanian population and stone throwing kids for talibans. Tell me, you ever tried driving with KS plates north of Ibar bridge?
"recent history of Pecs (where the Albanian inhabitants were expelled on one of their own religious holidays, then returned to find 80% of their homes burned to the ground) I think the response was a great deal less than might have been expected. Blame whatever happened in Kosovo on Milosevic alone if you want to, but don't expect the Albanians to forget it.
(Amer, 4 October 2010 19:05)
The Seat of the Serbian Patrichiate is in Pec just like the Seat of the Orthodox World is in Istanbul, Turkey. The Turks looks like angels as far as religious intolerance compared to the Albanian extremists.
Just for your information, according to the 1991 census, 7815 registered Serbian lived in Pec, that number is now 500.
That is the religious intolerance we are talking about.
What happened in Kosovo is not to be blamed by the KLA such as Thaci.
Relatively peaceful is relativ. At least nobody has been killed. And good that the perpetrators have been arrested. I hope they got some prison camp for attempted murder, because that's what it is to throw stones at buses. And if they have been "young individual", they must be very upset about what happned 12 years ago (when they have been little 3 years old kids or so)
(Top, 4 October 2010 18:25)
It is funny how you choose what is insignificant. An unbiased news report would have probably said something to the fact of "few minor incidents" but of course here we have something kin to the apocalypse.
As far as dismissing the youth as being too young to remember.
Many may not remember the violence of the 90's but they remember trying to survive its aftermath without fathers or mothers or having to live in tents because their home was destroyed.
They may not be directly affected by WW2 but that is vastly different from what happened 10-12 years ago, wounds do not heal that quickly.
Based on your own statement, it shows all of us that you have nevere, ever been in Kosova/o.
You should quit once and for all talking about Kosova/o.
(Kosova-USA, 5 October 2010 08:22)
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If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
I wonder what would be Serbian reaction if 50 busses of Albanians would travel to Belgrade and hold nationalistic parade.
(Tirana, 4 October 2010 22:22)
LOL!We held holy event in Pec not nationalistyc parade!And btw you can even compare those two because Pec is in Serbia and Beograd is not in Albania
"Albanian language media" is nothing more then Albanian manifesto.New Serbian Patriarch Irinej in HIS message calls on World leaders to bring justice and peace to KosMet.This is not a political message its a plea for protection.Serbian Orthodox Church and its Monasteries are under constant threat of total destruction or conversion to "Kosovo heritage institution Albanos/Illyrian cultural center"by Albanian terrorists.Its so serious and comical at the same time.1.8 millions Kosovo Albanians are educationally and culturally
last one in Europe.These people lacks maturity to be anything more then servants
to affluent European elite.
"Mike from this comment it is clear you have no clue what was said. Just a knee-jerk reaction from you." (johny)
-- A "knee-jerk" statement is something you just gave - a response of indignance without any explanation. Can you please provide me with the statement that you and others interpret as provocative?
"Are you telling me that no church leaders in the west speaks against injustices done by their government? I know for a fact that they do.
(Ark I, 4 October 2010 20:57)"
Of course they do - especially about what is done by their own government. And if the new patriarch had wanted to talk about the injustices perpetrated by his own government, I'm sure no one would have complained. An appropriate text for his sermon might have been "Forgive us our trespasses [=sins], as we forgive those who have trespassed against us." As it was, he complained of those who had "trespassed against" Serbs, with no mention of any Serbian trespasses. At least not in anything I've seen quoted.
I give thanks to God that Irinej isn't afraid to speak up for his people. Some may prefer he bows to them and stays quiet, but I and my people prefer strength over weakness. Do your work Irinej, never bow or fear those that are against you.
God is I Light and Salvation, who shall I fear. God is the Strength of I Life, of whom shall I be afraid.
What he said falls under free speech. There was no justification for the acts some barbarians who acted like Taliban followers and stoned buses.
You have heard of free speech, haven't you?
(Jason, 4 October 2010 17:52)
Why when Albanians cheered for a Basketball game was it seen as provocation of Serbs, But when someone uses inflammatory words and he is a Serb is freedom of Speach.
I think u work in North Kosovo and if a Albanian gathering and they used such words what will happen?
Ok fine Freedom of speech is great I just hope its for all and including K-albanians.
It is a bit perplexing to see how Tadic acts as a man of God and the Patriarch as a politician of the 90's. This Serbian trait of inversion of roles, some would say "extreme sarcasm", always surprises me.
I just wanted to point out that I totally concure with Peggy and Kate and that any of you girls wants to have a drink at some point, I will be buying!
As for Albanians and their media, I wont be wasting my breath anymore. Your well proven shovinistic and rasict stance toward anything Serb or for that matter non-Albanian is a legendary.
As Warhol once said we all have our 15min of fame, so enjoy it while it lasts...
albanians are an islamic people !! do expect anything different when an orthodox christian speaks ?? he is about as welcome in kosovo as a rabbi is welcome in gaza !
That is good to know. Thanks for the info. And yes, all things considered, I am also happy to hear that the event went off almost entirely without any problems. And of those problems, they are rather benign.
Why when Albanians cheered for a Basketball game was it seen as provocation of Serbs, But when someone uses inflammatory words and he is a Serb is freedom of Speach.
I think u work in North Kosovo and if a Albanian gathering and they used such words what will happen?
Ok fine Freedom of speech is great I just hope its for all and including K-albanians.
(Bilbao, 4 October 2010 21:33)
Bilbao I agree with you. While it was provacative for Albanians to cross the bridge cheering for Turkey it falls under free speech and in no way, shape, or form deserved rock throwing from the Serbian side. In the case in Pec, Albanians have the right to protest with flags, signs, etc. This too is free speech... but the stone throwing crossed the line as it did with the basketball incident.
Free speech should be protected all the way around, as you point out, and exercising it should not be met with violence by anyone.
It should have been "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass [present tense] against us." (I knew the rhythm wasn't right - should have checked.}
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