Kosovo: Orthodox worshipers attacked

This is the independent, multi-ethnic, freedom-loving, Albanian Kosovo. Where Serbian officials, requesting entry as ordinary citizens for a religious event, are denied entry - where the local Albanians call the Serbian Orthodox patriarch a war criminal. I am speechless. I can only shake my head in disbelief. What in the world do the Serbs and Albanians have to talk about in the so-called "Talks". I say, isolate the SOB's in Pristina forever. These people are not of the 21st century, but savages. That is my opinion. You will never have an independent Kosovo, Albanians, NEVER!!

Another proud moment for minorities in albanian dominated Kosovo.

As yet unidentified attackers threw stones at a convoy of buses carrying Orthodox Serb worshipers near the town of Peć in Kosovo.
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Aren't you Albs embarrased of what your people are doing. Instead of condeming these acts, you find ways to encourage them by using the ancient psychological damaging method of self-denial.

perhaps it was Serb MuP's disguised as Albanians throwing stones. hint hint.... lets get this ball rolling. lol

How on earth can anyone be denied access to their own country? Kosovo is according to Serbia and 70% of the rest of the world Serbia. As I see it, Serbia could have come with a couple of hundred tanks to secure the enthronment without the world would react. According to res 1244, Kosovo is a Serbian province, no more, no less. Thank God the negotiations are coming even if intelligence sources say that the Kosovar leadership is reluctant.

Dear Serbs,
your patriarch has the free speech right to say "Kosova should be part of Serbia...." but don't hide behind "it's a church" then. No where does "God" mention Serbia or Albania in the Bible.

"Patriarchana of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs. This church was never serb, ever!!! Myths and lies!"
(genti)

-- Maybe it is a good thing after all to allow international powers speak on your behalf in diplomatic forums. I'm usually against the US doing the job you guys should do, but if your opinion is reflective of larger Albanian collective memory, perhaps it's not that bad of a thing to keep you silent to avoid the general laughter the rest of Europe will break into when hearing this kind of nonsense.

PS - Uniatism didn't exist until the 1500s.

Just for once, could we please have something happen in Kosovo without it getting political?

"Second, there's a serbian flag that flows up and down the church. By doing the two above do you not realize that you are flushing down the drain the will of 2 mil people, and have no respect for them! "
(7MSBCX, 4 October 2010 04:51)

Really funny. Such a comment coming from people who even celebrate the "independence" of Kosovo by waving and raising Albanaian flags (instead of Kosovo flags). Very 'independent', indeed

As an international living in Kosovo for the past 8 years and supporting the Albanian cause I am ashamed that 70 countries recognize Kosovo as a independent country. I witnessed the rock attack on Sunday. Why did the rock throwing begin when the Imam started his call for prayer? Where were the adult protestors? Looks like they encouraged the youth to carry out the dirty work. Why has the Government not come out with a statement against the violence on Sunday? Kosovo, Grow Up. The international community is starting to see your true colors. The attempt to have Albanians seen as the victim isn't working anymore. Where is the pride? Albanians in Kosovo make claims that they are of Illyrian decent. The actions on Sunday as not very Illyrian like.

Patriarchate of Pec was originally a Serbian Church, not an Albanian Catholic Church. The only "history" books that say otherwise are the "history" books that are now being made by Albanians in Kosovo.

"history" books that have chosen to ignore the battle of Kosovo in the attempt to remove that truth from history. Do Albanians actually believe that the battle of Kosovo never actually happened just because it is removed from their "history" books? Too bad for Albanians that it is not a few centuries earlier, where it was easier to remove truth from history. But now we are in the information age, and the real history will always be there, irregardless of the attempts of some to remove it.

It is good to see condemnation of this heinous act by many here. Were it not for the arrests (only 3 out of dozens) I just know that some simpletons would scream "Serbian MUP did this!"

Yes, this is directed at the likes of PRN, Pejoni, and Dwarf-USA.

I spoke with some very pro-Albanian internationals from ICO and EULEX who happened to be on one of the buses that was stoned... they were shocked, to say the least. These several dozen Albanians that did this really did quite a bit of damage to Kosovo's reputation from this stunt.

Lastly, it seems some try and justify violent acts by saying they were provoked. Since when does exercising free speech allow for violent retaliation? This reminds me of the violent responses by some cro-mags who killed people for drawing Muhammed... Like it or not, there is no excuse for violent retaliation for exercising the right to free speech. If you disagree then you may be more comfortable in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Throwing stones at visitors traveling in buses, insulting religious leaders - everything is fine in the independent and multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo.

Serbs civilians attacked (again)and denied access to their holy sites?

Isnt Kosovo the land of milk and honey?
The new multicultural utopia, where ethnic minorities sing and dance all day and have endless rights and privileges?

Dear Serbs,
your patriarch has the free speech right to say "Kosova should be part of Serbia...." but don't hide behind "it's a church" then. No where does "God" mention Serbia or Albania in the Bible.
(KLM, 3 October 2010 20:08)

Hey Genius,

What do your comments have to do with some moronic Albanians throwing rocks at Serbs? I know, I know... it's easier for you to try and ignore any wrongdoing on the part of some Albanians... but this is quite an embarrassment for the multi-ethnic paradise of "Kosova."

I'm happy to see the man whom represents a link to God making political statements...this dbag in one mouth says peace and prosperity in the other he mutters hatred by throwing out insults.

Hypocrite.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 02:47)
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You are so delusional you see political statements everywhere.

A religious leader has every right to address his flock and talk about what is happening to his flock. If you see politics in that than it's your warped perception.

In two separate incidents, the leaders of opposition parties SNS and NS, Tomislav Nikolić and Velimir Ilić, who said they intended to attend the ceremony in Peć as private citizens, were denied entry into the province earlier today.

Interesting, It would be interseting to hear from someone actually IN Kosovo if gates 1 and 31 are still open or not. The following question would naturally be why they didnt use any of these two crossings if they are still open?

where's the scandal about the serbian flag on the church? you kosovar albanians have always used flag of Albania, not to say flag of the USA (a country thousands of miles far) so, why these people can't show their own serbian flag ?

Dear Serbs,
your patriarch has the free speech right to say "Kosova should be part of Serbia...." but don't hide behind "it's a church" then. No where does "God" mention Serbia or Albania in the Bible.
(KLM, 3 October 2010 20:08)
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Just go and crawl back under that rock. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of pulling your heads in and keeping quiet (if not condemning this) you come out here and talk so much rubbish.

Where does God or bible say that Vatican is reserved for the Pope? Where does any holy book say that a mosque should be built on the sacret grounds in NY?

and the famous kps could not stop stoners from acting stone age.
I can bet you a life that Montenegrins won`t forget you stoning their bus with kids...so happy travels to ucinj albanians.

Patriarchana of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs.

This church was never serb, ever!!!
Myths and lies!

When you resort to cowardly insults hiding behind the internet as the individual calling itself KOSO does, you confirm the opinion of those who deem you primitive and violent. The US has chosen to support your antics for now, due to their own strategic aims and not through altruism. There will come a time, when no one will shield you from your aggression and hatred. Beware what goes around comes around.

Eric, be nice to the Albanians, they are struggling. Hopefully clear minds will prevail.

As an Albanian I condemn this incident. Do you Serbs condemn the ‘inflammation’ speech of your religious leader?? Will wait for an answer.
Now to talk a bit more on the issue.
It is quite easy to draw conclusions by any side and accuse the other side of whatever comes to mind by only reading news articles, which sometimes do not present the full picture and even tend to be one sided. Every time a similar event takes place in Kosovo, Serbs provoke in any way possible, such as the speeches they give, the nationalist T-shirts they were, the raising of three fingers, their anti Albanian slogans, etc etc. So, as KLM said earlier, when you do such things, don’t try latter hiding behind “this was only a religious event” statements, because you yourself turn it in anything else but a religious event.

go to hell already

The actions on Sunday as not very Illyrian like.
(American in Kosovo, 4 October 2010 11:38)

Having never met an Ilyrian, I would be interested in knowing how they act.

"Really? How about Gracanica Monastery? It was build in the ruins of a roman basilica after Serbs occupied the region. Who do you think was there before Serbs, cyclops?"

-- Any proof it was "Albanian"? Like national Albanian? Part of an organized Albanian church? There are lots of contemporary churches, both Catholic and Orthodox ascribing to a national identity that are built on the foundations of earlier Roman or Byzantine churches.

"Did I make you laugh now?"

-- I usually get a chuckle or two out of you.

Patriarchana of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs.

This church was never serb, ever!!!
Myths and lies!
(genti, 4 October 2010 12:22)
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So you are now fighting for the Pope as well.
I'm sure he would be pleased you have done this in his name.
Is he asking for "his" church to be returned and the thieves stoned?

(My Web Browser is Greater than your Post, 5 October 2010 13:58)
Very well posted ! The Albanians are proven wrong day after day, year after year. Albanians have seriously not much to be proud of. Not much history, no identity, disliked in every country they settle down (ask around if in doubt), no courage. No wonder they try to steal a bit of a sovereign country. Until now it has failed. To all Serbs; continue to fight for whats right. Right always prevail sooner or later.

Calm down serbs, three people believed to have thrown rocks have been arrested. KP officers have really stepped up and it shows.

I'm happy to see the man whom represents a link to God making political statements...this dbag in one mouth says peace and prosperity in the other he mutters hatred by throwing out insults.

Hypocrite.

The Orthodox Church is organized into several regional, autocephalous (governed by their own head bishops) churches. The Patriarch of Constantinopole has the honor of primacy, but does not carry the same authority as the Pope does in Catholicism. Major Orthodox churches include the Greek Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Romanian Orthodox Church, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, the Church of Alexandria, the Church of Jerusalem, the Serbian Orthodox Church and the Orthodox Church in America.
The religious authority for Orthodox Christianity is not the Pope as in Catholicism, nor the individual Christian with his Bible as in Protestantism, but the scriptures as interpreted by the seven ecumenical councils of the church.
Orthodoxy also relies heavily on the writings of early Holy fathers such as Gregory of Nyssa, John Chrysostom and St. Basil the Great. Although some Orthodox confessions of faith were produced in the 17th century as counterparts to those of the Reformation, these are regarded as having only historical significance.
Eastern Orthodoxy arose as a distinct branch of Christianity after the 11th-century "Great Schism" between Eastern and Western Christendom. Before that time Genc it was just the Christian Church. No history of a catholic church prior to the split. Sounds like you are trying to rewrite history because the Albanian People in Kosovo “DON’T HAVE A HISTORY OR LEGACY OF THERE OWN IN KOSOVO. By the way Einstein, I am a catholic.

& Genti

I agree 110% with your comment but also I condem 110% the stone throwing even if it was kids they should be taught that stone throwing does not belong in the 21 century even if the church turned the event into politics which is not good.

& Genti

I agree 110% with your comment but also I condem 110% the stone throwing even if it was kids they should be taught that stone throwing does not belong in the 21 century even if the church turned the event into politics which is not good.
(Mendo, 4 October 2010 13:32)

Ditto

Patriarchate of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs.

This church was never serb, ever!!!
Myths and lies!
(genti, 4 October 2010 12:22)

Genti,
What a lie/ or is this on purpose?
Archbishop Arsenije I build the the Serbian church of the holy apostles there (patriarchate of Pec) in 1250.
SO TO BEGIN WITH IT WAS SERBIAN FROM THE BEGINNING!

(Before you make any other catholic claims, until the 15th century kosovo was like 95-99% Serbian others were vlachs/germans/greeks and a few albanians who settled there.
your ancestors came in Kosovo from the 15th century and until WO2 Kosovo had a Serbian Majority keep that in mind.
Before you claim other people's land!

Let's hope b92 does not change this:

I for one would not allow someone like the event of today become political. Serbian leaders and others have the opportunity to direct the poor serbian people away from hatred and lies. Instead of not mentioning kosovo as a province you go do the completely opposite and then want peace and love. Just don't mention it, its a win win, you dont offend others and you don't loose anything, this is for politicians. Second, there's a serbian flag that flows up and down the church. By doing the two above do you not realize that you are flushing down the drain the will of 2 mil people, and have no respect for them!

I think albanians are becoming tolerant; this event has gone too smooth considering what happened.

Were there any Albanian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian or Macedonian Orthodox peoples amongst those who gathered in Peja? There were not. They were Serbs who came to worship the Serbian God.
(My God is greater than yours, 5
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Wrong. You don't seem to absorb what you read very well.

"Were there any Albanian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian or Macedonian Orthodox peoples amongst those who gathered in Peja [sic]? There were not. They were Serbs who came to worship the Serbian God."
(My God is greater than yours)

-- Yes there were. A few minutes on Google can stave off an embarrasing post:

http://english.blic.rs/Society/6939/Kosovo--Serbian-Jerusalem

"Enthronement of the Serbian Patriarch at the Pec Patriarchy was attended by 40 high officials of all Orthodox churches and about 30 high representatives of other Christian churches and traditional religious communities. The Vatican envoy, the Archbishop Kurt Koch said to have been attending the enthronement ceremony for the first time."

http://english.blic.rs/In-Focus/6930/Tears-of-joy-and-sorrow-at-enthroning-of-Patriarch

"Among significant guests at the ceremony there were Serbia President Boris Tadic, Emanuil, the Littoral Head from Istanbul, Ilarion, the Littoral Head from the Russian Church, Stanislav Hocevar, the Archbishop of Belgrade, the Karadjordjevic royal family, Yves de Kermabon, the EULEX Chief, Lamberto Zannier, the UNMIK Chief, Bulgarian Minister Bozidar Dimitrov who brought the icon of Bulgarian Saint Ivan as a present to Serbian Patriarch and many others."

-- Maybe it is a good thing after all to allow international powers speak on your behalf in diplomatic forums. I'm usually against the US doing the job you guys should do, but if your opinion is reflective of larger Albanian collective memory, perhaps it's not that bad of a thing to keep you silent to avoid the general laughter the rest of Europe will break into when hearing this kind of nonsense.

PS - Uniatism didn't exist until the 1500s.
(Mike, 4 October 2010 15:58

Really? How about Gracanica Monastery? It was build in the ruins of a roman basilica after Serbs occupied the region. Who do you think was there before Serbs, cyclops?

Did I make you laugh now?

your ancestors came in Kosovo from the 15th century and until WO2 Kosovo had a Serbian Majority keep that in mind.
Before you claim other people's land!
(Stevie, 5 October 2010)

And where did you ancestors come from and whose land did they steal?
(Zoti, 5 October 2010 18:32)
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Well obviously not yours.

@ EXPAT KOSOVO!

Ok,Einstein the catholic,You explained very well when Estern Orthodoxy arose,as you say the 11-century.
Why You did not explained to us when Catholic Church arose,or was always such.
Btw I am Catholic too!

Were there any Albanian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian or Macedonian Orthodox peoples amongst those who gathered in Peja? There were not. They were Serbs who came to worship the Serbian God.

your ancestors came in Kosovo from the 15th century and until WO2 Kosovo had a Serbian Majority keep that in mind.
Before you claim other people's land!
(Stevie, 5 October 2010)

And where did you ancestors come from and whose land did they steal?

Dear Serbs,
your patriarch has the free speech right to say "Kosova should be part of Serbia...." but don't hide behind "it's a church" then. No where does "God" mention Serbia or Albania in the Bible.

Patriarchana of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs.

This church was never serb, ever!!!
Myths and lies!

How on earth can anyone be denied access to their own country? Kosovo is according to Serbia and 70% of the rest of the world Serbia. As I see it, Serbia could have come with a couple of hundred tanks to secure the enthronment without the world would react. According to res 1244, Kosovo is a Serbian province, no more, no less. Thank God the negotiations are coming even if intelligence sources say that the Kosovar leadership is reluctant.

Let's hope b92 does not change this:

I for one would not allow someone like the event of today become political. Serbian leaders and others have the opportunity to direct the poor serbian people away from hatred and lies. Instead of not mentioning kosovo as a province you go do the completely opposite and then want peace and love. Just don't mention it, its a win win, you dont offend others and you don't loose anything, this is for politicians. Second, there's a serbian flag that flows up and down the church. By doing the two above do you not realize that you are flushing down the drain the will of 2 mil people, and have no respect for them!

I think albanians are becoming tolerant; this event has gone too smooth considering what happened.

Calm down serbs, three people believed to have thrown rocks have been arrested. KP officers have really stepped up and it shows.

I'm happy to see the man whom represents a link to God making political statements...this dbag in one mouth says peace and prosperity in the other he mutters hatred by throwing out insults.

Hypocrite.

This is the independent, multi-ethnic, freedom-loving, Albanian Kosovo. Where Serbian officials, requesting entry as ordinary citizens for a religious event, are denied entry - where the local Albanians call the Serbian Orthodox patriarch a war criminal. I am speechless. I can only shake my head in disbelief. What in the world do the Serbs and Albanians have to talk about in the so-called "Talks". I say, isolate the SOB's in Pristina forever. These people are not of the 21st century, but savages. That is my opinion. You will never have an independent Kosovo, Albanians, NEVER!!

As an Albanian I condemn this incident. Do you Serbs condemn the ‘inflammation’ speech of your religious leader?? Will wait for an answer.
Now to talk a bit more on the issue.
It is quite easy to draw conclusions by any side and accuse the other side of whatever comes to mind by only reading news articles, which sometimes do not present the full picture and even tend to be one sided. Every time a similar event takes place in Kosovo, Serbs provoke in any way possible, such as the speeches they give, the nationalist T-shirts they were, the raising of three fingers, their anti Albanian slogans, etc etc. So, as KLM said earlier, when you do such things, don’t try latter hiding behind “this was only a religious event” statements, because you yourself turn it in anything else but a religious event.

Were there any Albanian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian or Macedonian Orthodox peoples amongst those who gathered in Peja? There were not. They were Serbs who came to worship the Serbian God.

As yet unidentified attackers threw stones at a convoy of buses carrying Orthodox Serb worshipers near the town of Peć in Kosovo.
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Aren't you Albs embarrased of what your people are doing. Instead of condeming these acts, you find ways to encourage them by using the ancient psychological damaging method of self-denial.

perhaps it was Serb MuP's disguised as Albanians throwing stones. hint hint.... lets get this ball rolling. lol

Another proud moment for minorities in albanian dominated Kosovo.

-- Maybe it is a good thing after all to allow international powers speak on your behalf in diplomatic forums. I'm usually against the US doing the job you guys should do, but if your opinion is reflective of larger Albanian collective memory, perhaps it's not that bad of a thing to keep you silent to avoid the general laughter the rest of Europe will break into when hearing this kind of nonsense.

PS - Uniatism didn't exist until the 1500s.
(Mike, 4 October 2010 15:58

Really? How about Gracanica Monastery? It was build in the ruins of a roman basilica after Serbs occupied the region. Who do you think was there before Serbs, cyclops?

Did I make you laugh now?

where's the scandal about the serbian flag on the church? you kosovar albanians have always used flag of Albania, not to say flag of the USA (a country thousands of miles far) so, why these people can't show their own serbian flag ?

I'm happy to see the man whom represents a link to God making political statements...this dbag in one mouth says peace and prosperity in the other he mutters hatred by throwing out insults.

Hypocrite.
(KOSO, 4 October 2010 02:47)
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You are so delusional you see political statements everywhere.

A religious leader has every right to address his flock and talk about what is happening to his flock. If you see politics in that than it's your warped perception.

@ EXPAT KOSOVO!

Ok,Einstein the catholic,You explained very well when Estern Orthodoxy arose,as you say the 11-century.
Why You did not explained to us when Catholic Church arose,or was always such.
Btw I am Catholic too!

Dear Serbs,
your patriarch has the free speech right to say "Kosova should be part of Serbia...." but don't hide behind "it's a church" then. No where does "God" mention Serbia or Albania in the Bible.
(KLM, 3 October 2010 20:08)

Hey Genius,

What do your comments have to do with some moronic Albanians throwing rocks at Serbs? I know, I know... it's easier for you to try and ignore any wrongdoing on the part of some Albanians... but this is quite an embarrassment for the multi-ethnic paradise of "Kosova."

Serbs civilians attacked (again)and denied access to their holy sites?

Isnt Kosovo the land of milk and honey?
The new multicultural utopia, where ethnic minorities sing and dance all day and have endless rights and privileges?

Throwing stones at visitors traveling in buses, insulting religious leaders - everything is fine in the independent and multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo.

As an international living in Kosovo for the past 8 years and supporting the Albanian cause I am ashamed that 70 countries recognize Kosovo as a independent country. I witnessed the rock attack on Sunday. Why did the rock throwing begin when the Imam started his call for prayer? Where were the adult protestors? Looks like they encouraged the youth to carry out the dirty work. Why has the Government not come out with a statement against the violence on Sunday? Kosovo, Grow Up. The international community is starting to see your true colors. The attempt to have Albanians seen as the victim isn't working anymore. Where is the pride? Albanians in Kosovo make claims that they are of Illyrian decent. The actions on Sunday as not very Illyrian like.

"Second, there's a serbian flag that flows up and down the church. By doing the two above do you not realize that you are flushing down the drain the will of 2 mil people, and have no respect for them! "
(7MSBCX, 4 October 2010 04:51)

Really funny. Such a comment coming from people who even celebrate the "independence" of Kosovo by waving and raising Albanaian flags (instead of Kosovo flags). Very 'independent', indeed

Dear Serbs,
your patriarch has the free speech right to say "Kosova should be part of Serbia...." but don't hide behind "it's a church" then. No where does "God" mention Serbia or Albania in the Bible.
(KLM, 3 October 2010 20:08)
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Just go and crawl back under that rock. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of pulling your heads in and keeping quiet (if not condemning this) you come out here and talk so much rubbish.

Where does God or bible say that Vatican is reserved for the Pope? Where does any holy book say that a mosque should be built on the sacret grounds in NY?

When you resort to cowardly insults hiding behind the internet as the individual calling itself KOSO does, you confirm the opinion of those who deem you primitive and violent. The US has chosen to support your antics for now, due to their own strategic aims and not through altruism. There will come a time, when no one will shield you from your aggression and hatred. Beware what goes around comes around.

& Genti

I agree 110% with your comment but also I condem 110% the stone throwing even if it was kids they should be taught that stone throwing does not belong in the 21 century even if the church turned the event into politics which is not good.

go to hell already

"Patriarchana of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs. This church was never serb, ever!!! Myths and lies!"
(genti)

-- Maybe it is a good thing after all to allow international powers speak on your behalf in diplomatic forums. I'm usually against the US doing the job you guys should do, but if your opinion is reflective of larger Albanian collective memory, perhaps it's not that bad of a thing to keep you silent to avoid the general laughter the rest of Europe will break into when hearing this kind of nonsense.

PS - Uniatism didn't exist until the 1500s.

Eric, be nice to the Albanians, they are struggling. Hopefully clear minds will prevail.

and the famous kps could not stop stoners from acting stone age.
I can bet you a life that Montenegrins won`t forget you stoning their bus with kids...so happy travels to ucinj albanians.

The actions on Sunday as not very Illyrian like.
(American in Kosovo, 4 October 2010 11:38)

Having never met an Ilyrian, I would be interested in knowing how they act.

It is good to see condemnation of this heinous act by many here. Were it not for the arrests (only 3 out of dozens) I just know that some simpletons would scream "Serbian MUP did this!"

Yes, this is directed at the likes of PRN, Pejoni, and Dwarf-USA.

I spoke with some very pro-Albanian internationals from ICO and EULEX who happened to be on one of the buses that was stoned... they were shocked, to say the least. These several dozen Albanians that did this really did quite a bit of damage to Kosovo's reputation from this stunt.

Lastly, it seems some try and justify violent acts by saying they were provoked. Since when does exercising free speech allow for violent retaliation? This reminds me of the violent responses by some cro-mags who killed people for drawing Muhammed... Like it or not, there is no excuse for violent retaliation for exercising the right to free speech. If you disagree then you may be more comfortable in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

& Genti

I agree 110% with your comment but also I condem 110% the stone throwing even if it was kids they should be taught that stone throwing does not belong in the 21 century even if the church turned the event into politics which is not good.
(Mendo, 4 October 2010 13:32)

Ditto

In two separate incidents, the leaders of opposition parties SNS and NS, Tomislav Nikolić and Velimir Ilić, who said they intended to attend the ceremony in Peć as private citizens, were denied entry into the province earlier today.

Interesting, It would be interseting to hear from someone actually IN Kosovo if gates 1 and 31 are still open or not. The following question would naturally be why they didnt use any of these two crossings if they are still open?

Patriarchate of Pec was originally a Serbian Church, not an Albanian Catholic Church. The only "history" books that say otherwise are the "history" books that are now being made by Albanians in Kosovo.

"history" books that have chosen to ignore the battle of Kosovo in the attempt to remove that truth from history. Do Albanians actually believe that the battle of Kosovo never actually happened just because it is removed from their "history" books? Too bad for Albanians that it is not a few centuries earlier, where it was easier to remove truth from history. But now we are in the information age, and the real history will always be there, irregardless of the attempts of some to remove it.

your ancestors came in Kosovo from the 15th century and until WO2 Kosovo had a Serbian Majority keep that in mind.
Before you claim other people's land!
(Stevie, 5 October 2010)

And where did you ancestors come from and whose land did they steal?

Patriarchana of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs.

This church was never serb, ever!!!
Myths and lies!
(genti, 4 October 2010 12:22)
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So you are now fighting for the Pope as well.
I'm sure he would be pleased you have done this in his name.
Is he asking for "his" church to be returned and the thieves stoned?

Just for once, could we please have something happen in Kosovo without it getting political?

The Orthodox Church is organized into several regional, autocephalous (governed by their own head bishops) churches. The Patriarch of Constantinopole has the honor of primacy, but does not carry the same authority as the Pope does in Catholicism. Major Orthodox churches include the Greek Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Romanian Orthodox Church, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, the Church of Alexandria, the Church of Jerusalem, the Serbian Orthodox Church and the Orthodox Church in America.
The religious authority for Orthodox Christianity is not the Pope as in Catholicism, nor the individual Christian with his Bible as in Protestantism, but the scriptures as interpreted by the seven ecumenical councils of the church.
Orthodoxy also relies heavily on the writings of early Holy fathers such as Gregory of Nyssa, John Chrysostom and St. Basil the Great. Although some Orthodox confessions of faith were produced in the 17th century as counterparts to those of the Reformation, these are regarded as having only historical significance.
Eastern Orthodoxy arose as a distinct branch of Christianity after the 11th-century "Great Schism" between Eastern and Western Christendom. Before that time Genc it was just the Christian Church. No history of a catholic church prior to the split. Sounds like you are trying to rewrite history because the Albanian People in Kosovo “DON’T HAVE A HISTORY OR LEGACY OF THERE OWN IN KOSOVO. By the way Einstein, I am a catholic.

(My Web Browser is Greater than your Post, 5 October 2010 13:58)
Very well posted ! The Albanians are proven wrong day after day, year after year. Albanians have seriously not much to be proud of. Not much history, no identity, disliked in every country they settle down (ask around if in doubt), no courage. No wonder they try to steal a bit of a sovereign country. Until now it has failed. To all Serbs; continue to fight for whats right. Right always prevail sooner or later.

"Really? How about Gracanica Monastery? It was build in the ruins of a roman basilica after Serbs occupied the region. Who do you think was there before Serbs, cyclops?"

-- Any proof it was "Albanian"? Like national Albanian? Part of an organized Albanian church? There are lots of contemporary churches, both Catholic and Orthodox ascribing to a national identity that are built on the foundations of earlier Roman or Byzantine churches.

"Did I make you laugh now?"

-- I usually get a chuckle or two out of you.

Patriarchate of Peja is actually an Albanian Catholic Church of Orthodox rites which was serbinized by Serbs.

This church was never serb, ever!!!
Myths and lies!
(genti, 4 October 2010 12:22)

Genti,
What a lie/ or is this on purpose?
Archbishop Arsenije I build the the Serbian church of the holy apostles there (patriarchate of Pec) in 1250.
SO TO BEGIN WITH IT WAS SERBIAN FROM THE BEGINNING!

(Before you make any other catholic claims, until the 15th century kosovo was like 95-99% Serbian others were vlachs/germans/greeks and a few albanians who settled there.
your ancestors came in Kosovo from the 15th century and until WO2 Kosovo had a Serbian Majority keep that in mind.
Before you claim other people's land!

Were there any Albanian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian or Macedonian Orthodox peoples amongst those who gathered in Peja? There were not. They were Serbs who came to worship the Serbian God.
(My God is greater than yours, 5
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Wrong. You don't seem to absorb what you read very well.

your ancestors came in Kosovo from the 15th century and until WO2 Kosovo had a Serbian Majority keep that in mind.
Before you claim other people's land!
(Stevie, 5 October 2010)

And where did you ancestors come from and whose land did they steal?
(Zoti, 5 October 2010 18:32)
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Well obviously not yours.

"Were there any Albanian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian or Macedonian Orthodox peoples amongst those who gathered in Peja [sic]? There were not. They were Serbs who came to worship the Serbian God."
(My God is greater than yours)

-- Yes there were. A few minutes on Google can stave off an embarrasing post:

http://english.blic.rs/Society/6939/Kosovo--Serbian-Jerusalem

"Enthronement of the Serbian Patriarch at the Pec Patriarchy was attended by 40 high officials of all Orthodox churches and about 30 high representatives of other Christian churches and traditional religious communities. The Vatican envoy, the Archbishop Kurt Koch said to have been attending the enthronement ceremony for the first time."

http://english.blic.rs/In-Focus/6930/Tears-of-joy-and-sorrow-at-enthroning-of-Patriarch

"Among significant guests at the ceremony there were Serbia President Boris Tadic, Emanuil, the Littoral Head from Istanbul, Ilarion, the Littoral Head from the Russian Church, Stanislav Hocevar, the Archbishop of Belgrade, the Karadjordjevic royal family, Yves de Kermabon, the EULEX Chief, Lamberto Zannier, the UNMIK Chief, Bulgarian Minister Bozidar Dimitrov who brought the icon of Bulgarian Saint Ivan as a present to Serbian Patriarch and many others."