KFOR: All precautions taken

“All citizens will be escorted by Kosovo police to the Peć Patriarchate,” Sadriu stressed.

A good thing that KPS is doing these escorts - a bad thing that such an police escort is necessary at all for visitors coming to the democratic and multi ethnic dream state of Kosovo.

“As far as the Serbian officials are concerned, KFOR and EULEX will be responsible for their safety,” KPS Spokesman Brahim Sadriu announced."

So KFOR and EULEX, not KPS, is responsible ...... just goes to show how "much" trust the West has in the KPS!

"Do you say that about every country the Pope visits, his security is Probably 1000 times greater than this."
(pss, 3 October 2010 13:57)

Funny comment. Maybe the security for the pope is 100x bigger, but in the democratic multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo the safety of the VISITORS has to be provided. See the difference?

What a black eye for Kosovo. The need to have so much police and army present for a religious event. Where is all this multi-ethnic harmony that Pristina keeps talking about?

The patriarch is not visiting anywhere, Pss, he is in his own land. The monasteries in KiM are centuries old, and an important part of Orthodoxy. Do you not think that believers should have the right to visit them without armed escort? There is a mosque in the center of Belgrade, and anyone is free to go inside anytime they want.

What a black eye for Kosovo. The need to have so much police and army present for a religious event. Where is all this multi-ethnic harmony that Pristina keeps talking about?
(winston, 3 October 2010 13:03)
Do you say that about every country the Pope visits, his security is Probably 1000 times greater than this.

johny, even God needs protection from armed Albanians, intent on doing evil. That is the problem. So why not go to your mosques, do what you want to do there, FREELY. And allow people of other faiths to go to their churches, and do what they want to do there, FREELY? It is so easy, why do Albanians have to complicate this? Is it because they hate everyone but their own, especially Serbs?

"Now onto more important observations about the futility of all of this. It is ironic that a man of God and their believers want armed protection, especially when they blindly believe that God is omnipotent and all powerful. This armed escort means two things." (johny)

-- Well, its draws a number of hypotheses:

a) Albanians, who have shown a proclivity to loot and/or destroy religious property, attack worshipers, and politicize everything under the sun that slightly disagrees with their sense of collective awesomeness, operate outside the acceptible norms of civilized behavior for Europeans and as such facilitate conditions which require inordinate levels of security. For both church leaders and church followers.

or

b) Albanians are so powerful that they operate outside of God's control.

I'm siding with the first.

pss, Milosevic is dead! DEAD!!! DEAD!!!!!! DEAD!!!!!!!!!!! Please move on. Move yourself to the present, maybe then people will respect what you are trying to say?

The patriarch is not visiting anywhere, Pss, he is in his own land. The monasteries in KiM are centuries old, and an important part of Orthodoxy. Do you not think that believers should have the right to visit them without armed escort? There is a mosque in the center of Belgrade, and anyone is free to go inside anytime they want.
(winston, 3 October 2010 14:58)

There are many Catholic churches in the Center of Kosova and anyone is free to go anytime they want. There are Serb churches in Kosova and if you're Albanian they kick you out. So what's your point?

Now onto more important observations about the futility of all of this. It is ironic that a man of God and their believers want armed protection, especially when they blindly believe that God is omnipotent and all powerful. This armed escort means two things.

1. They really do not believe the God is all powerfull.
2. If they do believe that he is then they simply do not trust God's plan for them. Why else would they need armed escorts if God has a plan for all of them and if he protects his believers from everything evil?

Religion fails the test of reason every single time.

Funny comment. Maybe the security for the pope is 100x bigger, but in the democratic multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo the safety of the VISITORS has to be provided. See the difference?
(Top, 3 October 2010 15:16)
True but then again, we are talking about a situation where there is no separation in church and state. The politics of Serbia are echoed by the church. And most people in Kosovo do not regard the Orthodox Church as an innocent bystander in the oppressive regime of Milosevic.

"A good thing that KPS is doing these escorts - a bad thing that such an police escort is necessary at all for visitors coming to the democratic and multi ethnic dream state of Kosovo.
(Top, 3 October 2010 12:27) "

Since the Church said that priests would be accompanying the buses, I wondered whether there was some nervousness about what some of the attendees might have in mind. There did seem to be a larger proportion of young men gathering around (on one of the videos are the Politika site) than you'd expect to see at most religious events in the States. After the problem with the motorcyclists on Vidovdan, it was just as good to go overboard on the security arrangements, I'd think.

"Albanians, who have shown a proclivity to loot and/or destroy religious property, attack worshipers, and politicize everything under the sun that slightly disagrees with their sense of collective awesomeness, operate outside the acceptible norms of civilized behavior for Europeans and as such facilitate conditions which require inordinate levels of security. For both church leaders and church followers. "


-- I'll agree with this for the sake of the argument even though what you say seems to have been taken from the annals of the Serb government, Kostunica or Nikolic's party.

Now if what you say is true then we have the following conclusions.

1) If you truly believe God is all powerfull and everything in this world is his will then what you say about Albanians above is only God's will. They are exercising his will so you should accept it.

2) God is not all powerful. In fact God is so weak it cannot prevent the destruction of religious property, his property.

3) Since the destruction of religious property is occurring maybe this is not God's property, and the clergy are not God's people at all, but simply men-made inventions.


Karlsdad this applies to your post as well. There are logical holes in yours and Mikes post that religion cannot cover no matter how much you try to stretch it.

P.S Supposedly I'm a Catholic, since you like to talk about mosques or better yet belittle them. As far as I'm concerned it would be better without any of them. John Lenon said it best: "Imagine there's no religion".

The patriarch is not visiting anywhere, Pss, he is in his own land. The monasteries in KiM are centuries old, and an important part of Orthodoxy. Do you not think that believers should have the right to visit them without armed escort? There is a mosque in the center of Belgrade, and anyone is free to go inside anytime they want.
(winston, 3 October 2010 14:58)

There are many Catholic churches in the Center of Kosova and anyone is free to go anytime they want. There are Serb churches in Kosova and if you're Albanian they kick you out. So what's your point?

Now onto more important observations about the futility of all of this. It is ironic that a man of God and their believers want armed protection, especially when they blindly believe that God is omnipotent and all powerful. This armed escort means two things.

1. They really do not believe the God is all powerfull.
2. If they do believe that he is then they simply do not trust God's plan for them. Why else would they need armed escorts if God has a plan for all of them and if he protects his believers from everything evil?

Religion fails the test of reason every single time.

“As far as the Serbian officials are concerned, KFOR and EULEX will be responsible for their safety,” KPS Spokesman Brahim Sadriu announced."

So KFOR and EULEX, not KPS, is responsible ...... just goes to show how "much" trust the West has in the KPS!

What a black eye for Kosovo. The need to have so much police and army present for a religious event. Where is all this multi-ethnic harmony that Pristina keeps talking about?
(winston, 3 October 2010 13:03)
Do you say that about every country the Pope visits, his security is Probably 1000 times greater than this.

“All citizens will be escorted by Kosovo police to the Peć Patriarchate,” Sadriu stressed.

A good thing that KPS is doing these escorts - a bad thing that such an police escort is necessary at all for visitors coming to the democratic and multi ethnic dream state of Kosovo.

What a black eye for Kosovo. The need to have so much police and army present for a religious event. Where is all this multi-ethnic harmony that Pristina keeps talking about?

"A good thing that KPS is doing these escorts - a bad thing that such an police escort is necessary at all for visitors coming to the democratic and multi ethnic dream state of Kosovo.
(Top, 3 October 2010 12:27) "

Since the Church said that priests would be accompanying the buses, I wondered whether there was some nervousness about what some of the attendees might have in mind. There did seem to be a larger proportion of young men gathering around (on one of the videos are the Politika site) than you'd expect to see at most religious events in the States. After the problem with the motorcyclists on Vidovdan, it was just as good to go overboard on the security arrangements, I'd think.

The patriarch is not visiting anywhere, Pss, he is in his own land. The monasteries in KiM are centuries old, and an important part of Orthodoxy. Do you not think that believers should have the right to visit them without armed escort? There is a mosque in the center of Belgrade, and anyone is free to go inside anytime they want.

"Do you say that about every country the Pope visits, his security is Probably 1000 times greater than this."
(pss, 3 October 2010 13:57)

Funny comment. Maybe the security for the pope is 100x bigger, but in the democratic multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo the safety of the VISITORS has to be provided. See the difference?

Funny comment. Maybe the security for the pope is 100x bigger, but in the democratic multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo the safety of the VISITORS has to be provided. See the difference?
(Top, 3 October 2010 15:16)
True but then again, we are talking about a situation where there is no separation in church and state. The politics of Serbia are echoed by the church. And most people in Kosovo do not regard the Orthodox Church as an innocent bystander in the oppressive regime of Milosevic.

johny, even God needs protection from armed Albanians, intent on doing evil. That is the problem. So why not go to your mosques, do what you want to do there, FREELY. And allow people of other faiths to go to their churches, and do what they want to do there, FREELY? It is so easy, why do Albanians have to complicate this? Is it because they hate everyone but their own, especially Serbs?

"Now onto more important observations about the futility of all of this. It is ironic that a man of God and their believers want armed protection, especially when they blindly believe that God is omnipotent and all powerful. This armed escort means two things." (johny)

-- Well, its draws a number of hypotheses:

a) Albanians, who have shown a proclivity to loot and/or destroy religious property, attack worshipers, and politicize everything under the sun that slightly disagrees with their sense of collective awesomeness, operate outside the acceptible norms of civilized behavior for Europeans and as such facilitate conditions which require inordinate levels of security. For both church leaders and church followers.

or

b) Albanians are so powerful that they operate outside of God's control.

I'm siding with the first.

pss, Milosevic is dead! DEAD!!! DEAD!!!!!! DEAD!!!!!!!!!!! Please move on. Move yourself to the present, maybe then people will respect what you are trying to say?

"Albanians, who have shown a proclivity to loot and/or destroy religious property, attack worshipers, and politicize everything under the sun that slightly disagrees with their sense of collective awesomeness, operate outside the acceptible norms of civilized behavior for Europeans and as such facilitate conditions which require inordinate levels of security. For both church leaders and church followers. "


-- I'll agree with this for the sake of the argument even though what you say seems to have been taken from the annals of the Serb government, Kostunica or Nikolic's party.

Now if what you say is true then we have the following conclusions.

1) If you truly believe God is all powerfull and everything in this world is his will then what you say about Albanians above is only God's will. They are exercising his will so you should accept it.

2) God is not all powerful. In fact God is so weak it cannot prevent the destruction of religious property, his property.

3) Since the destruction of religious property is occurring maybe this is not God's property, and the clergy are not God's people at all, but simply men-made inventions.


Karlsdad this applies to your post as well. There are logical holes in yours and Mikes post that religion cannot cover no matter how much you try to stretch it.

P.S Supposedly I'm a Catholic, since you like to talk about mosques or better yet belittle them. As far as I'm concerned it would be better without any of them. John Lenon said it best: "Imagine there's no religion".