“Kosovo status not done deal”

Ian, UK - I am not even sure where to start in tackling your ignorance! I don't suppose that before you comment on these things you might like to learn a little bit about international politics first.

Simply put, since the end of WWII the vast majority of cases of statehood have come from decolonisation (defined as overseas territories). In the post Cold War era the main cases have been consensual splits (as Kate pointed out Czechoslovakia), or through state collapse - USSR and Yugoslavia (but only the 6 republics, not Kosovo and Vojvodina, as decided by the EU's Badinter Commission). In these latter cases the permission of the 'parent' state was not needed, although Russia did give it's assent in the case of the Soviet republics.

The only exception to this rule was in fact Bangladesh, but even then it only joined the UN after Pakistan agreed to accept its secession.

In actual fact, there has not been a single case of a unilateral declaration of independence leading to full and universally recognised statehood, and UN membership, for the past sixty years! Kosovo is not even close to being the first exception to this pattern!

If you want to come here and post, fine, go ahead. I think your anti- Serb attitude stinks, but your have a right to be a narrow-minded bigot if you so wish. But please, please don't insult our intelligence by posting such obviously ill-informed nonsense.

"“Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia".

That is a threat of war."

That is NOT a threat of war. Its just a statement that Serbia will react, which they are entitle and nothing less than obligated to do.Every nation in the world would react in the same manner.

I don't believe they will do like Russia did, but one can always hope... Enough is ENOUGH!

EA: "The Serbian calculations will go completely wrong as usual."

Considering Kosovo is not legally independent and hangs in limbo as an international protectorate and province of Serbia, and this was against all the strong arm attempts by a host of powerful nations, I wouldn't say that Serbia has done badly whatsoever.

Poor, beaten, damaged, isolated and sanctioned - and yet she's still standing and finally being treated with a modicum of respect. I think that's pretty amazing for a small nation of 10 million people.

The status issue is still very much open, and it is clear that finally an attempt is being made by the EU and even the US to back negotiations for a longterm solution. Hopefully some sanity is returning.

“Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia".

That is a threat of war. That is how I see it. Serbia is trying to do what Russia did with South Ossetia and Abkhazia or with other words trying to immitate Russia, its mother.
The Serbian calculations will go completely wrong as usual.

@Ian, UK.

Czechoslovakia split peacefully and bilaterally. Get out and come back when you learn some recent history.

Serbia seems to think that if you want to declare independence it must be done "bilaterally" not "unilaterally", I can't think of a single country who declared independence bilaterally. Even Serbia declared independence unilaterally from the Ottoman Empire. Serbia has made out that Kosovo is the first country in the world to declare independence "unilaterally". What has Serbia got that will make Kosovo give up it's independence? Do they really think that the Kosovo will choose to rejoin Serbia?

I did hear about a civil conflict in Kosovo in the late 90's, EA. That is why I am suggesting more than autonomy, less than independence for Kosovo's Albanians. Belgrade does not want to rule over the Albanians, thank you very much. No one wants that headache. But a mutual agreement must be found - not an imposed one. As for me being brainwashed, I wonder who did that to me? I live in the US, so maybe it was Washington, and its various news outlets. I'll have to be more careful when Hillary speaks. But all I know from your posts, is that you are a Serb-hating bigot. Everything and anything Serbian, you are negative about. You are so desperate for recognition of independence, that you ignore the actual well-being of ALL the citizens that live in Kosovo i Metohija. Have a wonderful day, and try a less hate, it will do wonders for you.

IanUK, the Kosovo Albanians cannot give something they do not have, namely independence. If Pristina truly were independent, as you put it, would we be having these discussions? Would Pristina's every move have to be directed by the US/EU, if it was truly independent? Think a bit before you speak. Desiring something, and reality are two different things. As far as Belgrade ruling over the Kosovo Albanians again, who would want that headache? More than autonomy, less than independence, which you have now, may be the way to go, and be acceptable for all.

It's obvious that when Serbs say 'compromise' they mean that they'll let the more realistic narco-politicians stay in power after RE-INTEGRATION, that has an appeal to many narco-politicians who wont have protection from INTERPOL now that the US is a broken shell. Who wants to inevitably end up like Haradinaj? His arrest is a bitter warning.

Kate,

I like your optimistic spirit in assessing the "success of Serbia" regarding the sovereignity over Kosovo the re-establishment of the territorial integrity.

Can you tell us where did you get the information about Serbia 10 million population because according to my quick search it is around 7 million. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerbiaIt is a big difference I think.

I personally can not envisage any return of Kosovo under Serbian sovereignity.

Give us one reason what has Serbia done to apeal Kosovo to return under its sovereignity? Just one but no nonsense PLEASE!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs

10,300,000 Serbs - Don't you just love it, EA?

EA: "So it doesn't matter where you live. I live in the UK but I am still Albanian from Tirana."

Kind of puts pay to your assertion that the Serbian diaspora should not be included in their population figures.

Note the strongest comments here come from those in AU, UK, US, etc. It is easy to support a cause when it cost you no sacrifices.

(pss, 2 October 2010 22:09)

I think you will agree the same can be said for the inflammatory Albanian posters here such as Captain America (Kosovo-USA)?

Finally, the euphoria among the Kosovo nationalists from the UN and the ICJ is rightfully fading. Serbia is not giving up Kosovo, and there is no reason why they should.

And everyone wants these two parties to talk. Why? Because of Albania itself and the problem with its lack of well defined borders. With all the criminal activity flowing out of it and through it, and all that the Albanian rule in Kosovo has done is make it worse.

Are Kosovo Albanians going to go back to being governed by Serbia? Serbia doesn't want them, it is never again going to be contributing to the welfare and government of Albanians in Kosovo. Look what it got them the last time they did that under Yugoslavia.

Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia".

That is a threat of war. That is how I see it. Serbia is trying to do what Russia did with South Ossetia and Abkhazia or with other words trying to immitate Russia, its mother.
The Serbian calculations will go completely wrong as usual.
(EA, 2 October 2010 10:30)

Oh no they will not. Your loved US of A has been forced into this compromise just like in 1999 when it had to accept the UN control over Kosovo, but now in 2010 it is now even weaker than ever in its history and you think that they will come to your aid, then you Albos are truly deluded to the max.
Let me say this; Australia has 22 million and its dollar will be US$1.20 by Christmas this year - tells you a lot about its economy. By the end of 2011 it will be competing with the Albanian Lek. Look at the EU – a total financial basket case and you’re looking for help from them! Good luck.

You are too late on that! I don't know if you are aware but there has been a war in Kosovo not very long time ago. Kosovo and Serbia are like a divorce couple if you like. You can not force someone into marrage if that make sense. You can start argue all day and all night about "Kosovo as Serbian cradle" depend which historians you believe and I don't know what level are you brainwashed.
(EA, 2 October 2010 18:40)

The Albos claim some sort of historical connection with Kosovo; well I’ll accept it if you can show me where are the ancient structures attributed to them? My friend, there is not even a decent CAVE painting in Kosovo that can be traced back to the Albos and you talk about brainwashing. At least the Serbs can point out their religious buildings, and at least the Turks have built a few things during the Ottoman rule, but where are the Albos??????????
There is no point in just flapping your gums when there is not even a modicum of truth coming out.


Serbia is not a nation of 10 million. you are confusing its worldwide/national population. The dream of one Serb controlled nation died with Milosevic, a chunk of those Serbs are and have been minorities outside of Serbia itself.

being Poor, beaten, damaged, isolated and sanctioned was due to its own choices and actions... Please dont paint a pretty picture of victimization, its what they got for being perpetrators.

And the modicum of respect it receives from the international community says more about the international community.
(AdamNYC, 2 October 2010 21:43)

As this “international community” is on your side then how many factories have they built in Kosovo? how many jobs have been opened up in Kosovo? What have they done in the last 11 years except have 97% unemployment?

"More than autonomy, less than independence, which you have now, may be the way to go, and be acceptable for all.
(papajohn, 2 October 2010 15:40)"

Papajohn,

You are too late on that! I don't know if you are aware but there has been a war in Kosovo not very long time ago. Kosovo and Serbia are like a divorce couple if you like. You can not force someone into marrage if that make sense. You can start argue all day and all night about "Kosovo as Serbian cradle" depend which historians you believe and I don't know what level are you brainwashed.

--There is no such thing as a civil conflict. No conflict is civil. If things were to be kept civil there would be no conflict.
(johny)
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Civilian conflict (internal-amongst the people)=civil conflict.

Dačić also points out that if the talks failed and the Albanians attempted to annex northern Kosovo by force, it would spark a strong reaction from Serbia.

“Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia. And I’m also afraid that election campaigns in Kosovo and Metohija certainly will not contribute to peaceful solutions, regardless of our position on the need for dialogue,” the interior minister concluded. Ha ...does this guy threatening someone or try to scared someone wich one!!!???

There isnt the slightest bit of pressure on Serbia.

If's But's Perhaps's Maybes Is what is involved in the Stream of Baloney coming out of the Serb Camp.

No. There isnt the Slightest Bit of Confusion here. Serbia has no way to hold off any genuine dialogue. The SECOND it attmepts to hijack talks with Status... it exposes its feeble duplicity and dishonesty.

that is the "pressure" Serbia feels. It painted itself into a corner and has no way out.

And yet again, the Serb govt. shows its utter Contempt for kosovo Serbs, This guy...the idea that elections are a bad thing... do you really have to wonder why Serbs have met with utter failure in its failed theft of kosovo.

what the foreign govt. of Serbia FEARS are serbs themsleves participating in govt. of the country in wich they live. there is no annexation involved.

This man is absolutely threatening Violence.

@kate
Serbia is not a nation of 10 million. you are confusing its worldwide/national population. The dream of one Serb controlled nation died with Milosevic, a chunk of those Serbs are and have been minorities outside of Serbia itself.

being Poor, beaten, damaged, isolated and sanctioned was due to its own choices and actions... Please dont paint a pretty picture of victimization, its what they got for being perpetrators.

And the modicum of respect it receives from the international community says more about the international community.

Papajohn,

You started saying that

"I did hear about a civil conflict in Kosovo in the late 90's, EA".

Bad start! It wasn't a simple civil conflict but it was a war. To help you out I can suggest you to google for you self "The war in Kosovo" and you will find a lot of useful informations. Coming to a conclusion because "you heared something" won't be sound.

And then you are "enlighting us" with that

" Belgrade does not want to rule over the Albanians, thank you very much. No one wants that headache."

Let me "thank you for that" but again you are too late. It wasn't Serbia's choice not to rule the Kosovo Albanians but it was forced out.

As for me being brainwashed, I wonder who did that to me?

Referring to Kosovo as "Kosovo i Metohija" suggests that although you might live in USA you still have strong Serb connection. Only the Serbs normally refer to Kosovo as Kosovo i Metohija. So it doesn't matter where you live. I live in the UK but I am still Albanian from Tirana.

And you stupidly jump to conclusion that

"... all I know from your posts, is that you are a Serb-hating bigot. Everything and anything Serbian, you are negative about."

That is absolute NONSENSE. Give me one example from my comments suggesting you comclusion.

I have never been to Kosovo but I do know about Kosovo like every Albanian and I am in a very well informed position not only by Albanian propaganda. Fortunately I can read in few languages.

Further to your comment you suggest

"You are so desperate for recognition of independence"

Rest assured that is not a desperation but there is a need. That is the Kosovo authorities job to raise the awareness why it is important further recognitions of Kosovo. By the way soon there will be some good news from Egypt.


Have a wonderful day rest assured that I don't anything at all against the Serbia people but I against the Serbia's previous policies in the Balkans and the use of religion for political purpose.

direct answer to EA:

my dear k-albanian freind,rest assured that there is not any doubt in the case of southern Serbia´s province, resp. the history of KiM!
there is no such thing like a question of "which historian you believe".

you may not like the historical facts, I can even understand that from the albanian point of view, but there will come the day that you will have to accept that your wishful thinking won´t bring you peace, prosperity and progress in the region.

furthermore, Dacic is not threatening with force. he´s warning that the use of force would be highly irresponsible, since it would have severe consequences, consequences not only for the k-albanians I guess.

so, stop whining, Mr.Dacic is warning you to obstain from the use of force, and, you should be smart enough to see that there are black clouds emerging on the horizon. black for you.

10,300,000 Serbs - Don't you just love it, EA?
(winston, 2 October 2010 17:38)
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Interesting post, however it does not support the 10 million strong country claimed by kate.
But look at the facts Around 2 million serbs have abandoned the homeland for a better life in the western world. They still hold onto their pride and will support you (if you are still in Serbia) and expect you to stand firm in your nationalist stance at any cost to "you". However do not expect that support to include them returning to live on some of the lowest wages in Europe to join you.
Note the strongest comments here come from those in AU, UK, US, etc. It is easy to support a cause when it cost you no sacrifices.
Finally with all the talk of the one and only omnipotent superpower ally of Serbia, only 4000 out of 4 million Serbs not living in Serbia have "chosen" to live in Russia?
Doors are open for Serbia, but none of those doors include an invitation for Serbia with Kosovo only without.

"civil conflict"

--There is no such thing as a civil conflict. No conflict is civil. If things were to be kept civil there would be no conflict.

Winston, thank you for the link, where I could read that you misread Wikipedia.
It says: Serbia 6,212,838 (est.)
Western Balkans 8,400,000
World-population 10,300,000.

What about little Milosevic's talks. It is always a mixture of a man who likes to be modern but can't lay off his determinations of the past. It is still the same with his party. At first you point at a historical myth: "Serbs are threatened by Genocide" and you answer with the threat of your own to react strongly on this. That's the way the Balkan Wars started and this man still doesn't get it. The most threatening thing in reality is that this man is head of the Serbian police.
I am only surprised that he wasn't seen together with Dodik campaigning in Rep. Srpska like Tadic and Jeremic. Especially him would have pleased Dodik's last words to the collected Serbs in Banja Luka before the end of campaigning: "Your capital is not Sarajevo but as always Belgrade".
Does even the DS secretly follow Milosevic's dreams? I don't think that the international community in the Western part will like it.

I think you will agree the same can be said for the inflammatory Albanian posters here such as Captain America (Kosovo-USA)?
(Jason, 3 October 2010 14:17)
On most subjects I would probably agree but not on this one. But he/she is pushing for the people of Kosovo to work for freedom and to embrace the west as he has done.
The other side says even though I am enjoying the fruits of the west, it is not for you, isolate yourself move closer to Russia. I would have to question if one thinks Russia is such a great place and the only country that is going to look after his interests and the west is bad, bad, bad--why are they living in the UK, Aus, or the US.
So in this case you are wrong, if you were to compare his sentiment toward the Serbian people to their sentiment toward the Albanian people you would probably be right.

Civilian conflict (internal-amongst the people)=civil conflict.
(trudsaam, 3 October 2010 22:29)

You seem to not have understood my point. Humans will cover the bad by throwing in something good. We do this with language as well. Cover all the bad of a war by throwing a nice word such as civil.

Civilian conflict (internal-amongst the people)=civil conflict.
(trudsaam, 3 October 2010 22:29)

You seem to not have understood my point. Humans will cover the bad by throwing in something good. We do this with language as well. Cover all the bad of a war by throwing a nice word such as civil.
(johny)
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You are right, kind of like how to US claimed that the 1999 bombing campaign on Serbia was a "humanitarian-campaign", in the same time the most bombs dropped in history was for this "cause".

The term "fighting for freedom" is another I think that should be pointed out. As human beings we are born free, through the choices we make we decide on how free we really are. No one has the capability to take anyone's freedom away, this term "freedom" has been scrutinized and completely taken out of its original term, for political purposes.

"You are right, kind of like how to US claimed that the 1999 bombing campaign on Serbia was a "humanitarian-campaign", in the same time the most bombs dropped in history was for this "cause"."

-- Yes exactly. The better and more honest choice would have been fighting brutality with brutality.

“Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia".

That is a threat of war. That is how I see it. Serbia is trying to do what Russia did with South Ossetia and Abkhazia or with other words trying to immitate Russia, its mother.
The Serbian calculations will go completely wrong as usual.

Serbia seems to think that if you want to declare independence it must be done "bilaterally" not "unilaterally", I can't think of a single country who declared independence bilaterally. Even Serbia declared independence unilaterally from the Ottoman Empire. Serbia has made out that Kosovo is the first country in the world to declare independence "unilaterally". What has Serbia got that will make Kosovo give up it's independence? Do they really think that the Kosovo will choose to rejoin Serbia?

"More than autonomy, less than independence, which you have now, may be the way to go, and be acceptable for all.
(papajohn, 2 October 2010 15:40)"

Papajohn,

You are too late on that! I don't know if you are aware but there has been a war in Kosovo not very long time ago. Kosovo and Serbia are like a divorce couple if you like. You can not force someone into marrage if that make sense. You can start argue all day and all night about "Kosovo as Serbian cradle" depend which historians you believe and I don't know what level are you brainwashed.

EA: "The Serbian calculations will go completely wrong as usual."

Considering Kosovo is not legally independent and hangs in limbo as an international protectorate and province of Serbia, and this was against all the strong arm attempts by a host of powerful nations, I wouldn't say that Serbia has done badly whatsoever.

Poor, beaten, damaged, isolated and sanctioned - and yet she's still standing and finally being treated with a modicum of respect. I think that's pretty amazing for a small nation of 10 million people.

The status issue is still very much open, and it is clear that finally an attempt is being made by the EU and even the US to back negotiations for a longterm solution. Hopefully some sanity is returning.

It's obvious that when Serbs say 'compromise' they mean that they'll let the more realistic narco-politicians stay in power after RE-INTEGRATION, that has an appeal to many narco-politicians who wont have protection from INTERPOL now that the US is a broken shell. Who wants to inevitably end up like Haradinaj? His arrest is a bitter warning.

"“Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia".

That is a threat of war."

That is NOT a threat of war. Its just a statement that Serbia will react, which they are entitle and nothing less than obligated to do.Every nation in the world would react in the same manner.

I don't believe they will do like Russia did, but one can always hope... Enough is ENOUGH!

There isnt the slightest bit of pressure on Serbia.

If's But's Perhaps's Maybes Is what is involved in the Stream of Baloney coming out of the Serb Camp.

No. There isnt the Slightest Bit of Confusion here. Serbia has no way to hold off any genuine dialogue. The SECOND it attmepts to hijack talks with Status... it exposes its feeble duplicity and dishonesty.

that is the "pressure" Serbia feels. It painted itself into a corner and has no way out.

And yet again, the Serb govt. shows its utter Contempt for kosovo Serbs, This guy...the idea that elections are a bad thing... do you really have to wonder why Serbs have met with utter failure in its failed theft of kosovo.

what the foreign govt. of Serbia FEARS are serbs themsleves participating in govt. of the country in wich they live. there is no annexation involved.

This man is absolutely threatening Violence.

@kate
Serbia is not a nation of 10 million. you are confusing its worldwide/national population. The dream of one Serb controlled nation died with Milosevic, a chunk of those Serbs are and have been minorities outside of Serbia itself.

being Poor, beaten, damaged, isolated and sanctioned was due to its own choices and actions... Please dont paint a pretty picture of victimization, its what they got for being perpetrators.

And the modicum of respect it receives from the international community says more about the international community.

Kate,

I like your optimistic spirit in assessing the "success of Serbia" regarding the sovereignity over Kosovo the re-establishment of the territorial integrity.

Can you tell us where did you get the information about Serbia 10 million population because according to my quick search it is around 7 million. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerbiaIt is a big difference I think.

I personally can not envisage any return of Kosovo under Serbian sovereignity.

Give us one reason what has Serbia done to apeal Kosovo to return under its sovereignity? Just one but no nonsense PLEASE!

@Ian, UK.

Czechoslovakia split peacefully and bilaterally. Get out and come back when you learn some recent history.

IanUK, the Kosovo Albanians cannot give something they do not have, namely independence. If Pristina truly were independent, as you put it, would we be having these discussions? Would Pristina's every move have to be directed by the US/EU, if it was truly independent? Think a bit before you speak. Desiring something, and reality are two different things. As far as Belgrade ruling over the Kosovo Albanians again, who would want that headache? More than autonomy, less than independence, which you have now, may be the way to go, and be acceptable for all.

Dačić also points out that if the talks failed and the Albanians attempted to annex northern Kosovo by force, it would spark a strong reaction from Serbia.

“Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia. And I’m also afraid that election campaigns in Kosovo and Metohija certainly will not contribute to peaceful solutions, regardless of our position on the need for dialogue,” the interior minister concluded. Ha ...does this guy threatening someone or try to scared someone wich one!!!???

10,300,000 Serbs - Don't you just love it, EA?
(winston, 2 October 2010 17:38)
Recommend (+2)Poor comment
Interesting post, however it does not support the 10 million strong country claimed by kate.
But look at the facts Around 2 million serbs have abandoned the homeland for a better life in the western world. They still hold onto their pride and will support you (if you are still in Serbia) and expect you to stand firm in your nationalist stance at any cost to "you". However do not expect that support to include them returning to live on some of the lowest wages in Europe to join you.
Note the strongest comments here come from those in AU, UK, US, etc. It is easy to support a cause when it cost you no sacrifices.
Finally with all the talk of the one and only omnipotent superpower ally of Serbia, only 4000 out of 4 million Serbs not living in Serbia have "chosen" to live in Russia?
Doors are open for Serbia, but none of those doors include an invitation for Serbia with Kosovo only without.

Papajohn,

You started saying that

"I did hear about a civil conflict in Kosovo in the late 90's, EA".

Bad start! It wasn't a simple civil conflict but it was a war. To help you out I can suggest you to google for you self "The war in Kosovo" and you will find a lot of useful informations. Coming to a conclusion because "you heared something" won't be sound.

And then you are "enlighting us" with that

" Belgrade does not want to rule over the Albanians, thank you very much. No one wants that headache."

Let me "thank you for that" but again you are too late. It wasn't Serbia's choice not to rule the Kosovo Albanians but it was forced out.

As for me being brainwashed, I wonder who did that to me?

Referring to Kosovo as "Kosovo i Metohija" suggests that although you might live in USA you still have strong Serb connection. Only the Serbs normally refer to Kosovo as Kosovo i Metohija. So it doesn't matter where you live. I live in the UK but I am still Albanian from Tirana.

And you stupidly jump to conclusion that

"... all I know from your posts, is that you are a Serb-hating bigot. Everything and anything Serbian, you are negative about."

That is absolute NONSENSE. Give me one example from my comments suggesting you comclusion.

I have never been to Kosovo but I do know about Kosovo like every Albanian and I am in a very well informed position not only by Albanian propaganda. Fortunately I can read in few languages.

Further to your comment you suggest

"You are so desperate for recognition of independence"

Rest assured that is not a desperation but there is a need. That is the Kosovo authorities job to raise the awareness why it is important further recognitions of Kosovo. By the way soon there will be some good news from Egypt.


Have a wonderful day rest assured that I don't anything at all against the Serbia people but I against the Serbia's previous policies in the Balkans and the use of religion for political purpose.

"civil conflict"

--There is no such thing as a civil conflict. No conflict is civil. If things were to be kept civil there would be no conflict.

I think you will agree the same can be said for the inflammatory Albanian posters here such as Captain America (Kosovo-USA)?
(Jason, 3 October 2010 14:17)
On most subjects I would probably agree but not on this one. But he/she is pushing for the people of Kosovo to work for freedom and to embrace the west as he has done.
The other side says even though I am enjoying the fruits of the west, it is not for you, isolate yourself move closer to Russia. I would have to question if one thinks Russia is such a great place and the only country that is going to look after his interests and the west is bad, bad, bad--why are they living in the UK, Aus, or the US.
So in this case you are wrong, if you were to compare his sentiment toward the Serbian people to their sentiment toward the Albanian people you would probably be right.

Such attack would be one more genocide against our people and it would provoke a big reaction from Serbia".

That is a threat of war. That is how I see it. Serbia is trying to do what Russia did with South Ossetia and Abkhazia or with other words trying to immitate Russia, its mother.
The Serbian calculations will go completely wrong as usual.
(EA, 2 October 2010 10:30)

Oh no they will not. Your loved US of A has been forced into this compromise just like in 1999 when it had to accept the UN control over Kosovo, but now in 2010 it is now even weaker than ever in its history and you think that they will come to your aid, then you Albos are truly deluded to the max.
Let me say this; Australia has 22 million and its dollar will be US$1.20 by Christmas this year - tells you a lot about its economy. By the end of 2011 it will be competing with the Albanian Lek. Look at the EU – a total financial basket case and you’re looking for help from them! Good luck.

You are too late on that! I don't know if you are aware but there has been a war in Kosovo not very long time ago. Kosovo and Serbia are like a divorce couple if you like. You can not force someone into marrage if that make sense. You can start argue all day and all night about "Kosovo as Serbian cradle" depend which historians you believe and I don't know what level are you brainwashed.
(EA, 2 October 2010 18:40)

The Albos claim some sort of historical connection with Kosovo; well I’ll accept it if you can show me where are the ancient structures attributed to them? My friend, there is not even a decent CAVE painting in Kosovo that can be traced back to the Albos and you talk about brainwashing. At least the Serbs can point out their religious buildings, and at least the Turks have built a few things during the Ottoman rule, but where are the Albos??????????
There is no point in just flapping your gums when there is not even a modicum of truth coming out.


Serbia is not a nation of 10 million. you are confusing its worldwide/national population. The dream of one Serb controlled nation died with Milosevic, a chunk of those Serbs are and have been minorities outside of Serbia itself.

being Poor, beaten, damaged, isolated and sanctioned was due to its own choices and actions... Please dont paint a pretty picture of victimization, its what they got for being perpetrators.

And the modicum of respect it receives from the international community says more about the international community.
(AdamNYC, 2 October 2010 21:43)

As this “international community” is on your side then how many factories have they built in Kosovo? how many jobs have been opened up in Kosovo? What have they done in the last 11 years except have 97% unemployment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs

10,300,000 Serbs - Don't you just love it, EA?

Winston, thank you for the link, where I could read that you misread Wikipedia.
It says: Serbia 6,212,838 (est.)
Western Balkans 8,400,000
World-population 10,300,000.

What about little Milosevic's talks. It is always a mixture of a man who likes to be modern but can't lay off his determinations of the past. It is still the same with his party. At first you point at a historical myth: "Serbs are threatened by Genocide" and you answer with the threat of your own to react strongly on this. That's the way the Balkan Wars started and this man still doesn't get it. The most threatening thing in reality is that this man is head of the Serbian police.
I am only surprised that he wasn't seen together with Dodik campaigning in Rep. Srpska like Tadic and Jeremic. Especially him would have pleased Dodik's last words to the collected Serbs in Banja Luka before the end of campaigning: "Your capital is not Sarajevo but as always Belgrade".
Does even the DS secretly follow Milosevic's dreams? I don't think that the international community in the Western part will like it.

I did hear about a civil conflict in Kosovo in the late 90's, EA. That is why I am suggesting more than autonomy, less than independence for Kosovo's Albanians. Belgrade does not want to rule over the Albanians, thank you very much. No one wants that headache. But a mutual agreement must be found - not an imposed one. As for me being brainwashed, I wonder who did that to me? I live in the US, so maybe it was Washington, and its various news outlets. I'll have to be more careful when Hillary speaks. But all I know from your posts, is that you are a Serb-hating bigot. Everything and anything Serbian, you are negative about. You are so desperate for recognition of independence, that you ignore the actual well-being of ALL the citizens that live in Kosovo i Metohija. Have a wonderful day, and try a less hate, it will do wonders for you.

EA: "So it doesn't matter where you live. I live in the UK but I am still Albanian from Tirana."

Kind of puts pay to your assertion that the Serbian diaspora should not be included in their population figures.

Note the strongest comments here come from those in AU, UK, US, etc. It is easy to support a cause when it cost you no sacrifices.

(pss, 2 October 2010 22:09)

I think you will agree the same can be said for the inflammatory Albanian posters here such as Captain America (Kosovo-USA)?

Ian, UK - I am not even sure where to start in tackling your ignorance! I don't suppose that before you comment on these things you might like to learn a little bit about international politics first.

Simply put, since the end of WWII the vast majority of cases of statehood have come from decolonisation (defined as overseas territories). In the post Cold War era the main cases have been consensual splits (as Kate pointed out Czechoslovakia), or through state collapse - USSR and Yugoslavia (but only the 6 republics, not Kosovo and Vojvodina, as decided by the EU's Badinter Commission). In these latter cases the permission of the 'parent' state was not needed, although Russia did give it's assent in the case of the Soviet republics.

The only exception to this rule was in fact Bangladesh, but even then it only joined the UN after Pakistan agreed to accept its secession.

In actual fact, there has not been a single case of a unilateral declaration of independence leading to full and universally recognised statehood, and UN membership, for the past sixty years! Kosovo is not even close to being the first exception to this pattern!

If you want to come here and post, fine, go ahead. I think your anti- Serb attitude stinks, but your have a right to be a narrow-minded bigot if you so wish. But please, please don't insult our intelligence by posting such obviously ill-informed nonsense.

Finally, the euphoria among the Kosovo nationalists from the UN and the ICJ is rightfully fading. Serbia is not giving up Kosovo, and there is no reason why they should.

And everyone wants these two parties to talk. Why? Because of Albania itself and the problem with its lack of well defined borders. With all the criminal activity flowing out of it and through it, and all that the Albanian rule in Kosovo has done is make it worse.

Are Kosovo Albanians going to go back to being governed by Serbia? Serbia doesn't want them, it is never again going to be contributing to the welfare and government of Albanians in Kosovo. Look what it got them the last time they did that under Yugoslavia.

"You are right, kind of like how to US claimed that the 1999 bombing campaign on Serbia was a "humanitarian-campaign", in the same time the most bombs dropped in history was for this "cause"."

-- Yes exactly. The better and more honest choice would have been fighting brutality with brutality.

--There is no such thing as a civil conflict. No conflict is civil. If things were to be kept civil there would be no conflict.
(johny)
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Civilian conflict (internal-amongst the people)=civil conflict.

Civilian conflict (internal-amongst the people)=civil conflict.
(trudsaam, 3 October 2010 22:29)

You seem to not have understood my point. Humans will cover the bad by throwing in something good. We do this with language as well. Cover all the bad of a war by throwing a nice word such as civil.

Civilian conflict (internal-amongst the people)=civil conflict.
(trudsaam, 3 October 2010 22:29)

You seem to not have understood my point. Humans will cover the bad by throwing in something good. We do this with language as well. Cover all the bad of a war by throwing a nice word such as civil.
(johny)
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You are right, kind of like how to US claimed that the 1999 bombing campaign on Serbia was a "humanitarian-campaign", in the same time the most bombs dropped in history was for this "cause".

The term "fighting for freedom" is another I think that should be pointed out. As human beings we are born free, through the choices we make we decide on how free we really are. No one has the capability to take anyone's freedom away, this term "freedom" has been scrutinized and completely taken out of its original term, for political purposes.

direct answer to EA:

my dear k-albanian freind,rest assured that there is not any doubt in the case of southern Serbia´s province, resp. the history of KiM!
there is no such thing like a question of "which historian you believe".

you may not like the historical facts, I can even understand that from the albanian point of view, but there will come the day that you will have to accept that your wishful thinking won´t bring you peace, prosperity and progress in the region.

furthermore, Dacic is not threatening with force. he´s warning that the use of force would be highly irresponsible, since it would have severe consequences, consequences not only for the k-albanians I guess.

so, stop whining, Mr.Dacic is warning you to obstain from the use of force, and, you should be smart enough to see that there are black clouds emerging on the horizon. black for you.